I think the issue is that coaches are given such a small amount of time to start winning that they are almost always forced to play the rookie whether they are ready or not
I don’t think they’re fully opposing the take on starting rookie QBs, more so the way Tom articulated it by calling the game dumbed down. It’s insulting to the players and coaches of today and, more importantly, it’s not very accurate. It’s a senile old head take.
The best QB prospects are ruined by the NFL. They’re drafted into the worst situations and thrown to the wolves. Look at what happens when they are allowed to sit and develop. Favre. Young. Brady. Brees. Rodgers. Mahomes. The best QBs of each generation. The only real exception was Peyton Manning and that guy had been groomed to be an NFL QB since birth.
@@Isaiahlovelace an opinion isn’t a fact, therefore no one is wrong.. but in this particular case when talking about QB’s, I’m going to take the opinion from the greatest QB of all time, over an armchair analyst with more value to it.
yet ... you cannot explain what he even means... "dumbed down?".. what better QB's in these "Rookies playing" teams are better than that rookie... CJ Stroud started.. I guess that is dumb according to Tom..
ESPN is so trash. He uses Mahomes as his example...the guy that sat a year, learning, before playing. This is 1 of a million reasons I don't watch ESPN...they will disagree with everyone that says no to working for them.
The packers arent a good example to use since they had rookies sitting behind future HOFers which most teams dont get the luxury of and it also isnt a good look that they've underschieved with them all
The point is they are playing rookies that aren’t ready to play at that level. That is how coaches get fired and players labeled as bust after two years.
Exactly, these guys are brainless. Look at all the QBs that get thrown to some of the worst teams. They get completely trashed and then we firing coaches, QBs getting traded, they don’t even get a chance
Brady misworded it really. There’s no debating the fact that practically none of these incoming rookies except for maybe a handful can play under center in a pro style offense. The game had to switch to mainly RPO, shotgun and spread offense because the qbs couldnt handle the playbook. Its also the reason most of them can only make 1 read and then they take off. Not to mention how easy the game has become for offenses with pass interference rules and the ultimate protection of the QB, albeit Brady shouldnt be complaining about that he’s the one that started the whole u cant touch the QB, the Pats O-line never gets holding calls and ridiculous pass interference calls favoring them. Typical media taking Brady’s words and twisting them to fit their narrative. Now Brady knows what its like to be Trump
@@DavidC-pg6ni because they lack experience.. lol doesn’t mean they aren’t good and if you are a top draft too you are going to a trash team.. but we have seen some of the best rookies in history the last few years.. CJ Shroud broke every record and went to the playoffs
Maybe Disney will Always figure it out how to support any people anywhere in America what they had to agree all together, but Let not give Them Retardation analysis some bias bud.
Brady didn't play as a rookie..neither did Joe Montana or Patrick Mahomes. Jalen Hurts,Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Brock Purdy, Josh Allen...Alll didn't start MOST of their rookie seasons QBs need time.
OK but CJ Stroud, Cam Newton, Justin Herbert, Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Matt Ryan all balled out starting in their rookie year. And actually BUrrow started 10 games as a rookie. We can do this all day.
@@DJ-zi7oethere are 4-5 QBs drafted every year and we don’t hear about them once we realize they busted. In the past 20 years basically you can count on two hands the times it worked out. There is a much deeper list of players working out when they sit for a year or longer is the point. The success rate of your QB draft goes up if they sit. Once you kill their confidence that is usually a wrap.
@@DJ-zi7oe Josh Rosen, Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson, Bryce Young, Sam Bradford, David Carr, Sam Darnold, EJ Manuel, Brandon Weeden, Geno Smith, Kyle Orton, Blaine Gabbert, Mitchhell Trubisky, Colt McCoy, Matt Leinart, Christian Ponder, Josh Freeman, Justin Fields, etc. all started by Week 8 of their rookie year and either materialized to become nothing or are backups. It goes both ways.
So if it took him multiple years to learn this then what was the point of sitting him his rookie year? Wouldnt he have been a year ahead on that learning curve by playing sooner?
@@marklumar2034 It's risk vs reward. If you practice a year behind a competent QB and learn how to call plays and create a strong foundation before implementing them in live game settings, that can sometimes be a better solution. Conversely, just throwing someone into a starting role week 1 and having to deal with media and fan criticism, injuries, all while learning the same things you would be doing anyways during practice could be detrimental.
@@marklumar2034 So dumb. He would have gotten smoked because he wouldn’t have known about blitzes, etc. QB can learn a LOT in a year but NOT EVERYTHING.
@HbAz783V i dont totally disagree i think my biggest pushback is that in most cases the team doesnt have a competent starter and that rookie is clearly the best option and if its a bad organization then they're probably not gonna develop that player properly no matter which year they start him
@DavidC-pg6ni but he didnt knoe how to do that his first year starting regardless. Had he started his rookie year he probably learns all this by the end of year 2 instead of by the end of year 3
What brady meant was that the defense is now soft, there's no hands after 5yrds, you can do across the middle easy and not get tiuched or lit up, the QB can barely get hit now, it's much easier and softer. That's what he means. And i agree. It's easier and dumbed down for this gen of QB
It's funny how they bring up names like Mahomes, Manning, Big Ben...okay, now bring up all the rookie QBs who started and weren't starting 2 years later. I'm guessing that list is a lot longer than starting rookie QBs that won the SuperBowl.
@@amynpanjwani15that sounds more like a structure issue not a "he played too soon" issue. If that player is mismanaged and poorly coached his rookie year, why would that be different his 2nd year with the same team and coaches?
All this yapping for them to basically agree with what Tom said. Brady is 120% right, look at QBs that get thrown into these garbage teams and have horrible seasons. They don’t even bother working with them at all
Like what ????? Then they repeating the same thing Tom just said “ we had to work our way up inch by inch and learn and get better every year “ like he just explained it!!
Tom would've never started if Bledsoe hadn't gotten injured on that freak accident. If Bledsoe had won that super bowl, Brady would have been traded or cut.
Tim literally proved Tom’s point. The patriots were a run first offense because Tom was not capable of leading a pass first offense yet. They phased to a passing game when Tom was capable of handling that. Putting rookies into a pass first offense that just a few plays is exactly his point. You can open up the playbook over the season with a run first offense, giving you time to learn and study how defenses act in the NFL.
Wait so you're toms point was proven by showing how tom had to develop even though tom sat his rookie season? So not playing his rookie year didnt actually do much but delay that learning curve
what.. ? what proof do you have that Tom was not a Pass first offense QB????? and thats why the Patriots eased Tom into a pass oriented offense.. Yeah.. Tom made his name at Michigan handing the ball off ... stop the nonsense..
The only person with any credibility on this subject IS TB12. These guys all depend on the controversy and the destruction of quality QBs to make their money. Tom is 100 percent correct on this. Rooks should sit and learn the game for a couple of years. The issue isn't the coach, it's ownership wanting fast food outcomes.
Tom is 100% right and he never said that the players are dumber. The league is far more qb friendly than it used to be. And very smart offensive coordinators have made it so that the only thing a quarterback need to do to be successful is recognized man or zone and be accurate and on-time with your passes.
He is part of the reason why QB are protected the tuck rule came from who????? He talking like his retired 10 years ago The game was the same 5 years ago
@@johnnybuchananjr9344the tuck rule is a fumble related rule lol and after the low hit that tore his ACL he didn’t aske or force the league to do anything. They changed the rule because they don’t want star QBs hurt.
Dude has a point...Bill Polian and Robert Kraft were two of the biggest influencers of the competition committee, which bequeathed the Tuck Rule and a bunch of other rules favoring offense. No small coincidence that Brady and Manning were their QBs at the time. (To be sure, fantasy football has plenty to do with it also, but still...)
Tom is right. They are pushing rookie quarterbacks to walk into the meat grinder without sufficient protection and knowledge.. how many rookie quarterbacks have been destroyed before their chance to prime. It's only the very few that shine as superstars early on and don't get haunted by injuries.
Starting a rookie their first year is not ideal is what Tom is saying. Give a rookie some time to develop rather than putting them out on the field too early. Development over winning!
I'm trusting the guy who played the position in an elite fashion and went to 10 SBs and won 7 of them over some 3rd or 4th string "analyst" in ESPN that hasn't played the position...and that includes Tim Hasselbeck
@@NotBobIsMeMaybe but clearly had the best year for a Rookie ever. I believe Brady is correct, although there’s a chance someone like CJ Stroud or Caleb Williams can come into a good situation.
Really lol. There's plenty of them. Stroud. Matt Ryan. Ben Roethlisberger. Russell Wilson. Joe Flacco. RG3. Dude, you can certainly play Year 1 and ball out
The game is dumbed down. It's easier to be a QB now. That's Tom Brady's point. Most coaches now are pass-focused and research and build teams to operate in a pass-friendly system. It's common knowledge especially for an actual NFL fan. It doesn't mean QB's are dumb, but the game is dumbed down and mostly on defense. How many QB's were throwing with the stats that most throw now? Maybe 5. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Favre, Peyton Manning.
Tom just retired. He knows what he speaks. He sees all these kids and doesnt need to dumb it down or be soft to these rookies. Having systems built on college player and what players do well doesnt make the system better or smarter. Manning throwing all those picks could have messed up his development. It CERTAINLY messed up the no.2 pick. David Carr starting behind a HORRIBLE O line for 2 yrs that wrecked him and he never recovered. We lost Luck thanks to going to a horrible team and not giving him development or an OFF line to protect him. ESPN analyst are idiots. They either never played or was a backup at the position or was just a quality starter at a supplemental position.
Im the biggest Brady fanboy ive known but he wasnt saying any of this when he was playing. He benefitted the most from these rules out of any QB but now he wants to complain about them
Yeah the game has evolved. No one is wrong but the tragedy Tom mentioned was the game isnt as deep schematically as it used to be. He would know. Tom > ESPN
Brady is right. People have gotten so impatient and out of touch that they don't understand actual skill development anymore. They think the real world works like a video game. And the problem goes for all sports.
TB12 is right. Mahomes didn't start his rookie year until the very end. Brady and Mahomes both had coaches who were secure in their job. That matters a lot. For every Dan Marino there is a Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning who both stunk to high heavens as rookies. Luckily it didn't ruin either of them... but it might have. They got lucky with an improved roster their second years.
And that Why Caleb Williams might be Next if they Got improved roster if Sean Payton is there head coach and JJ McCarthy if They Balanced the roster together including acquiring CMC.
Look back at the NFL in the 2000s and observe the offensive line. You will see that they are just overall better then todays o lines because they practiced more (two a days etcetera). Nowadays teams just don’t practice as much as they used to.
I'm going to jump on a limb and say Tom Brady is 1000 times more knowledgeable than Tim Hasselbech. Tim Hasselbech isn't even allowed to hold Tom Bradys jock strap.
It's a two part issue. Coaches don't get enough leash to actually build something. And not enough time is spent developing QB's.. some of them will be good enough to start immediately. But what Tom is saying is these guys aren't allowed to be to play through a learning curve. Without being cast out as a bust. Especially when the environment isn't great for success. We see it time and time again.
Yea he a super bowl winning coach bil was the head coach b flo not bil you don't have credibility has s head coach b flo didn't know how to handle it properly mind you he a defensive minded coach now he has to deal with offense now bil was winning before tom got there and b flo wanted it like how tb12 took it mental health is s big thing there one to be harsh but b flo was belittling him great coaches know when to and what to say to certain players and tb12 and bil respected each other tua and b flo from the gate didnt get along b flo was campaigning for a different qb but now tua claps back its problem y'all the crybabies lol know the truth before speaking
I am a C level officer, I work with younger generations, the 90s, early 00s... These kids are just on functional level. They are lazy, manipulative, dont really use their brains, and dont take ownership of anything. In training, their attention spans 10-15 mins. I am not the GOAT, but I am thinking why it should be any different in other industries?! And that is just common sense, without actually watching American football. Once you add that, and you get a certain Bills QB respond to Brady "Oh I do not do that, i just take the ball and throw it to the furthest away open wr. Sorry, but that tells me Brady is spot on.
Exactly - I did lawn maintenance for years at all the Hugh School Football fields and i actually got off the mower to pick up paper cups ,plates, tape off the field - Nowadays these kids just run over it with the mower. They have ZERO work ethic or sense of self respect for the job
This is ESPN VS TOM BRADY. let's just get REAL. These commentators are clearly reading a script prepared by a non athlete behind a desk who eats 2 dozen donuts for lunch.
Mahomes didn’t start because of Alex Smith Rodgers waited until Farve got traded Love waited until Rodgers got traded Brees struggled because he was thrown in there and had to be traded I think rookie QBs should definitely aspire to be a starter but they benefit more from waiting. They will say Stroud didn’t need to wait, but will not mention Darnold, Wilson, Trubisky, Fields,
My problem is we're talking about these quarterbacks as if all of them won their teams their division the first year they started. These teams are not getting that much better from the talented quarterbacks playing right away. He's not saying those QBs aren't talented.
lol the announcers are taking his words out of context he never called the players dumb he’s saying they keep dumbing down the game. By forcing new players to start with no experience in the league they often fail much faster, and he’s right. I’ve come to learn that Brady knows more about football than many active football players.
Consider the IQ of the panel! They're going to take it personal because they're not so sharp- at least 2 of them for sure! Why RC even has a job in media with his atrocious grammar is beyond me!
Tom just saying what we’ve been thinking for the last 3 years. Mahomes and Lamar are the only fun QBs to watch. Ever other team just plopping rookies down, giving them no time to develop, then dumping them when they rightfully don’t perform. And all of this just because the “coaches are afraid they will lose their jobs”
I mostly agree with Tom on this one…the level of time for development of QBs is slim to none now and days. When Peyton started he threw 28 Ints…any rookie QB throwing 28 INTs in today’s game is getting the boot. There’s little room for error.
Mahomes is an exceptional QB beyond that Zac Wilson, Bryce Young, Mac Jones and Justin Fields all started and all were bad. We honestly need to force veteran QBs to be better giving rookies time to develop and get better before starting. There's nothing wrong with what TB12 said.
It has dumbed down. But... One very important rule was changed because he was hit and missed the whole season. QB friendly league and still most of these rookies qb are eaten alive.
Flores was used to winning it all in New England, so he expects nothing less. At the end of the day, the fact is, Tua still doesn't belong if they want to win it all. He was superb last year, no doubt. However, that was mostly against teams with losing records. He was 1-6 vs teams with winning records. And their lone win was against Dallas (by 3 points and in Miami) which was promply blown out in the playoffs just 3 or so weeks later at Dallas' home. And all that was with the addition of Tyreek Hill and the track team Miami now has. You can take it however you want, but at the end of the day, if the goal is to be great vs average to bad teams in the regular season, then Tua's great for that as long as you keep the fastest offensive skill players in the league around him. But if the goal is to go deep in the playoffs, nevermind wining it all, then Flores was right.
It's an understanding and adjustment of the NFL game. Most rookies have to learn about defensive shemes , learn knew formations and work on NFL mechanics, even have to learn to play under center. Plus I'm pretty sure a 6th round draft pick spent a lot of time watching film. One more thing, I think coaching was more intense, I think the league softened with some rule changes.
But the game has evolved in ways that benefit rookies. For example, modern college offenses are more similar to NFL schemes than they used to be, which can ease the transition. Plus, with advances in technology and training, players have more resources to prepare for the NFL game. Coaching might be different, but it’s also more specialized now, with position-specific coaches and tailored training programs. So while the league might have softened in some ways, it's also become more sophisticated in others
The ratio of rookie QBs succeeding vs those that bombed isn't good. The game has evolved to a point where you need to be able to scramble and make certain types of throws. Tom is halfway right but there aren't lot of great QBs in the league right now either that can stay healthy.
Bottom line Tom Brady is right. It's more advanced than just what he's saying about rookies. The problem in today's NFL is everybody is drafted off talent. There's a reason Tom was 4th on the depth chart and that reason is because from a physical stand point he was barely better than your average Joe. Now it is a little bit of him hating because he wasn't born with Lamar Jackson's speed and shiftiness, BUT a lot of guys now a days come in to the league thinking that they can get by with their pure athleticism. There are very few quarterbacks in the league today that can actually read a defense on every single play. Reading defenses setting them up with your eyes studying game film is a lost art. Now a days what the NFL is looking for is can you throw the ball 80 yards? Can you run a 4.4 40? Because that's exciting. But you don't need to be smart to run a 4.4 is what tom is saying
You also have to understand that technology has evolved preparing them to start more often. It used to be you had to go back to the film room Monday morning to see where you messed up at. Now they literally have tablets on side lines where you can see instant replay from every angle. Now they’re literally getting coached while the game is going on with the microphone built into the helmet so you can hear the defensive coordinator screaming blitz or they are in cover 3. Nothing personal it’s just they don’t have to put in as much as you did Tom.
EJ manuel , Geno Smith, Christian Ponder, Johnny manziel, trey lance,zach wilson, matt leinart, brady quinn, david carr, mark sanchez, jake locker, , josh rosen, sam darnold . These are the guys Tom Brady is talking about, guys that were thrown into the line of fire when they had no business of playing early , who in geno's case , actually has had a chance to resurrect his career and is an actual starter again. Hes not talking about patrick mahomes ( who waited), lamar jackson ( who waited) jordan love ( who waited) , jalen hurts ( who waited ) . Hes not talking about #1 picks like stafford and lawrence who fortunately/unfortunately have no choice but to start.
Lmfaooo these guys are chatting. Tom is referring to majority of qbs who start right away aren’t successful and there are many examples of that. Pat sat behind Alex.eli behind Kurt rodgers behind farve lmfaooo these guys are delusional
Watch none of these first year rookie quarterbacks get a Super Bowl within 5 years. Aka Lamar - Josh A, all world talent no rings. No AFC - NFC championships
U know I really didn’t wanna be that guy but imma say it. A guy like Tim hasselbeck has no right to disagree with anything Tom Brady has to say if we’re being honest
Brady misworded it really. There’s no debating the fact that practically none of these incoming rookies except for maybe a handful can play under center in a pro style offense. The game had to switch to mainly RPO, shotgun and spread offense because the qbs couldnt handle the playbook. Its also the reason most of them can only make 1 read and then they take off. Not to mention how easy the game has become for offenses with pass interference rules and the ultimate protection of the QB, albeit Brady shouldnt be complaining about that he’s the one that started the whole u cant touch the QB, the Pats O-line never gets holding calls and ridiculous pass interference calls favoring them. Typical media taking Brady’s words and twisting them to fit their narrative. Now Brady knows what its like to be Trump
Mahomes sat, Lamar sat, Hurts sat, Dak sat, Allen sat, Love sat, all of these guys are at the top of the game. Tom has a great point... Look at the guys who struggled Baker, Feilds, Darnold, Lawrence, Young, Howell, Dan Jones, Wilson, D Haskins, Pickett. There is a long list....
This was a major reason why Goff failed in LA. McVay simplified the offense to the point he was using the mic to tell Goff where to go with the ball, that’s why they only scored 3 points in the superbowl. Bill knew this and shifted the defense late after the 15 second mic shutoff so now Goff is out there with no one to hold his hand
My God these guys are insufferable. Name off two of the greatest QBs of all time as the example why QBs should start right out of the gate. Completely misunderstood what Tom is saying and then attack him out of thier own ignorance. This is why espn is the garbage pile of sports broadcasting.
If Tua didn't want to be in the facility because of how he was being treated, it must have been really bad. Tua is a tough guy make no mistake about it.
2:40 "Tom says the game is dumbed down but look at what Mahomes is doing with his legs so how could it be dumbed down!" This guy IS the dumbing down of the NFL
Justin Fields being thrown out there and playing has hurt him. The dude still doesn't know how to read defenses . Zack Wilson was a project player who was made to play, Rosen never got a real chance after AZ. And it's also not just QBs Olinemen aren't getting the same practice time they use to because or the CBA
That’s because you can’t rush perfection. You can’t accelerate progress. You can’t raise expectations without the product being finished. Finally you can’t cook an incomplete meal without the ingredients. But otherwise you can’t microwave results my gee🫵🏿
The elephant in the room is that the league is going DEI. But remember that Tom Brady, the slow-footed White guy with no arm, was the smartest player on the field during the game - on both sides of the ball and has seven Super Bowl rings. We’ll just leave it at that.
The dumb down comments are about rule changes. Not that the games dumb. He has been a big advocate for blaming the QBs when there reciever gets hammered hard because the inexperienced QBs throw directly into top level coverage.
They said Mahomes like 7 times yet Mahomes didn't start till late in his rookie year so are they actually saying Tom is right? lmao
I think the issue is that coaches are given such a small amount of time to start winning that they are almost always forced to play the rookie whether they are ready or not
I don’t think they’re fully opposing the take on starting rookie QBs, more so the way Tom articulated it by calling the game dumbed down. It’s insulting to the players and coaches of today and, more importantly, it’s not very accurate. It’s a senile old head take.
Exactly right and that is not good for the rookies in most cases. @@BG.994
He played 1 game all rookie , second year usually a QB does better . Look at Lamar
The best QB prospects are ruined by the NFL. They’re drafted into the worst situations and thrown to the wolves. Look at what happens when they are allowed to sit and develop. Favre. Young. Brady. Brees. Rodgers. Mahomes. The best QBs of each generation.
The only real exception was Peyton Manning and that guy had been groomed to be an NFL QB since birth.
Tom Brady is 100% right. Quarterbacks who develop first behind a veteran QB have a higher success rate
wait.. what team has a veteran QB that is better than the rookie starting.. ? name the teams sporto..
I’m gonna value Tom Brady’s take over these analysts.
dosent mean it’s right lol
@@Isaiahlovelace an opinion isn’t a fact, therefore no one is wrong.. but in this particular case when talking about QB’s, I’m going to take the opinion from the greatest QB of all time, over an armchair analyst with more value to it.
yet ... you cannot explain what he even means... "dumbed down?".. what better QB's in these "Rookies playing" teams are better than that rookie... CJ Stroud started.. I guess that is dumb according to Tom..
If there's anything I've learned in the past 20 years is that Tom Brady is right and ESPN is wrong. It's simple as that.
Yep
Espn is woke anyways almost nothing they say is correct
Its literally that simple
The man lies to and had rules change for him
@@brayansolis9982Which rules changes are you referring to?
ESPN is so trash.
He uses Mahomes as his example...the guy that sat a year, learning, before playing.
This is 1 of a million reasons I don't watch ESPN...they will disagree with everyone that says no to working for them.
However People Say The Same Thing But As none employee of ESPN in main real world.
Green Bay Packers have figured it out yet no one really has copied them
Trust me, no one will want to copy the Packers for many years to come.
They’ve basically had b2b hall of famers- possibly a 3rd
The packers arent a good example to use since they had rookies sitting behind future HOFers which most teams dont get the luxury of and it also isnt a good look that they've underschieved with them all
Atl is trying
💯 truth. I've been saying this for years, and I'm a Bears fan. Last year, I saw Jordan Love become another franchise qb for GB. I lost my sh!+.
ESPN clowns talking trash about Brady lmao
The point is they are playing rookies that aren’t ready to play at that level. That is how coaches get fired and players labeled as bust after two years.
I feel like Tom is talking about one or two players in particular lol
Exactly, these guys are brainless. Look at all the QBs that get thrown to some of the worst teams. They get completely trashed and then we firing coaches, QBs getting traded, they don’t even get a chance
@@Marinate433Nonsense. MOST Rookie QBs that are Top Draft Picks get CRUSHED if they start. It’s foolish.
Brady misworded it really. There’s no debating the fact that practically none of these incoming rookies except for maybe a handful can play under center in a pro style offense.
The game had to switch to mainly RPO, shotgun and spread offense because the qbs couldnt handle the playbook. Its also the reason most of them can only make 1 read and then they take off.
Not to mention how easy the game has become for offenses with pass interference rules and the ultimate protection of the QB, albeit Brady shouldnt be complaining about that he’s the one that started the whole u cant touch the QB, the Pats O-line never gets holding calls and ridiculous pass interference calls favoring them.
Typical media taking Brady’s words and twisting them to fit their narrative. Now Brady knows what its like to be Trump
@@DavidC-pg6ni because they lack experience.. lol doesn’t mean they aren’t good and if you are a top draft too you are going to a trash team.. but we have seen some of the best rookies in history the last few years.. CJ Shroud broke every record and went to the playoffs
Come back here in 2-3 years to see how many of this years wonder rookies are still starting lol. I’ll wait.
I guess ESPN told them to defend the shield 🤣
ESPN is salty that Tom didn't choose them 😂😂😂
ESPN only cares about the black African community 😠🚬
Nah that’s just a horrible take by Tom😂 yall Tom Brady Stans need to chill lol he’s still the Goat don’t worry
Tom is acting his success wasn't a direct result of dumbing down of the league.
espn cant afford him
Salty? Lol i doubt it. They are capped on salary as is.
I'm wondering if these ESPN folks even understand what Tom Brady was saying
Disney telling these boys to disagree with TB12 is hilarious
The IQ of all 4 of these goofballs doesn't even add-up to Tom's!
Maybe Disney will Always figure it out how to support any people anywhere in America what they had to agree all together, but Let not give Them Retardation analysis some bias bud.
Brady didn't play as a rookie..neither did Joe Montana or Patrick Mahomes. Jalen Hurts,Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Brock Purdy, Josh Allen...Alll didn't start MOST of their rookie seasons
QBs need time.
OK but CJ Stroud, Cam Newton, Justin Herbert, Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Matt Ryan all balled out starting in their rookie year. And actually BUrrow started 10 games as a rookie. We can do this all day.
@@DJ-zi7oethere are 4-5 QBs drafted every year and we don’t hear about them once we realize they busted. In the past 20 years basically you can count on two hands the times it worked out. There is a much deeper list of players working out when they sit for a year or longer is the point. The success rate of your QB draft goes up if they sit. Once you kill their confidence that is usually a wrap.
@@mccoyrj452can you back this up? Cuz the other guy named actual players
@@DJ-zi7oe Josh Rosen, Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson, Bryce Young, Sam Bradford, David Carr, Sam Darnold, EJ Manuel, Brandon Weeden, Geno Smith, Kyle Orton, Blaine Gabbert, Mitchhell Trubisky, Colt McCoy, Matt Leinart, Christian Ponder, Josh Freeman, Justin Fields, etc. all started by Week 8 of their rookie year and either materialized to become nothing or are backups. It goes both ways.
@@DJ-zi7oeJoe Burrow Got his LEG Broken you foolish person.
Way MORE QBs as rookies get crushed like that than succeed.
Starting a rookie qb week 1 vs mid to late season is 2 different things.
I agree with tom compared to these 3rd string analysts.
These guys really don't get it.
Patrick Mahomes admitted to not knowing how to read a defense his first couple of years
So if it took him multiple years to learn this then what was the point of sitting him his rookie year? Wouldnt he have been a year ahead on that learning curve by playing sooner?
@@marklumar2034 It's risk vs reward. If you practice a year behind a competent QB and learn how to call plays and create a strong foundation before implementing them in live game settings, that can sometimes be a better solution. Conversely, just throwing someone into a starting role week 1 and having to deal with media and fan criticism, injuries, all while learning the same things you would be doing anyways during practice could be detrimental.
@@marklumar2034
So dumb. He would have gotten smoked because he wouldn’t have known about blitzes, etc. QB can learn a LOT in a year but NOT EVERYTHING.
@HbAz783V i dont totally disagree i think my biggest pushback is that in most cases the team doesnt have a competent starter and that rookie is clearly the best option and if its a bad organization then they're probably not gonna develop that player properly no matter which year they start him
@DavidC-pg6ni but he didnt knoe how to do that his first year starting regardless. Had he started his rookie year he probably learns all this by the end of year 2 instead of by the end of year 3
What brady meant was that the defense is now soft, there's no hands after 5yrds, you can do across the middle easy and not get tiuched or lit up, the QB can barely get hit now, it's much easier and softer. That's what he means. And i agree. It's easier and dumbed down for this gen of QB
It's funny how they bring up names like Mahomes, Manning, Big Ben...okay, now bring up all the rookie QBs who started and weren't starting 2 years later. I'm guessing that list is a lot longer than starting rookie QBs that won the SuperBowl.
Right…. How many potential good qbs lost their career to early starts. Mismanaged and poorly coached
Even Mahomes sat out his first year.
But thats also true for QBs who sat their rookie year. Many more who were out of the league than there was who became good long term starters
@@amynpanjwani15that sounds more like a structure issue not a "he played too soon" issue. If that player is mismanaged and poorly coached his rookie year, why would that be different his 2nd year with the same team and coaches?
@@amynpanjwani15 Heck, just look at how many QBs the Browns have ruined over the last 25 years or so.
ESPN has been wrong about Tom Brady for the last 20 years, safe to say ESPN is wrong again and Tom Brady is right.
All this yapping for them to basically agree with what Tom said. Brady is 120% right, look at QBs that get thrown into these garbage teams and have horrible seasons. They don’t even bother working with them at all
I never take advice from a cheater
#CHIEFSKINGDOM
@@deemoney8014 it wasn’t advice, he said pure facts. Spoken by the man that owns mahomes like a baby
@@mattgibney4085 wait how does brady own mahomes? I dont remember brady playing defense
@@marklumar2034 oh so the chiefs last Super Bowl ain’t Mahomes right? Cause Mahomes don’t play defense correct? Clown
The goats right, ESPN is wrong. Tale as old as time
Wait what? “Even Tom Brady himself would have started his rookie year if not for the fact he was 4th on the depth chart. “ what? 😂
I'm glad you caught that to, these guys are an absolute joke 😆
ESPN "logic!"
I would have started for the Patriots too if I wasn't bad at football
Like what ????? Then they repeating the same thing Tom just said “ we had to work our way up inch by inch and learn and get better every year “ like he just explained it!!
Tom would've never started if Bledsoe hadn't gotten injured on that freak accident. If Bledsoe had won that super bowl, Brady would have been traded or cut.
Tim literally proved Tom’s point. The patriots were a run first offense because Tom was not capable of leading a pass first offense yet. They phased to a passing game when Tom was capable of handling that. Putting rookies into a pass first offense that just a few plays is exactly his point. You can open up the playbook over the season with a run first offense, giving you time to learn and study how defenses act in the NFL.
Wait so you're toms point was proven by showing how tom had to develop even though tom sat his rookie season? So not playing his rookie year didnt actually do much but delay that learning curve
@@marklumar2034Sooo not smart. Sitting one season is better than none. Sitting two seasons better than one.
@@DavidC-pg6ni no tom sitting his rookie season juat delayed his learning curve
what.. ? what proof do you have that Tom was not a Pass first offense QB????? and thats why the Patriots eased Tom into a pass oriented offense.. Yeah.. Tom made his name at Michigan handing the ball off ... stop the nonsense..
This is why a lotta ppl don’t respect ESPN analysis. They missed his entire point.
The only person with any credibility on this subject IS TB12. These guys all depend on the controversy and the destruction of quality QBs to make their money. Tom is 100 percent correct on this. Rooks should sit and learn the game for a couple of years. The issue isn't the coach, it's ownership wanting fast food outcomes.
Im not even a Tom Fan but he the GOAT for a reason he understand that you cant just keep throwing the QBs to the fire
Just imagine if Tom was a black African fella 😳🚬
@@goodnightmunchie imagine if you weren’t lurking in chat being weird af? 👀👀👀
Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith and he credited Alex as a huge part of his development
Tom is 100% right and he never said that the players are dumber. The league is far more qb friendly than it used to be. And very smart offensive coordinators have made it so that the only thing a quarterback need to do to be successful is recognized man or zone and be accurate and on-time with your passes.
He is part of the reason why QB are protected the tuck rule came from who????? He talking like his retired 10 years ago
The game was the same 5 years ago
@@johnnybuchananjr9344the tuck rule protects qbs lol?
@@johnnybuchananjr9344the tuck rule is a fumble related rule lol and after the low hit that tore his ACL he didn’t aske or force the league to do anything. They changed the rule because they don’t want star QBs hurt.
Dude has a point...Bill Polian and Robert Kraft were two of the biggest influencers of the competition committee, which bequeathed the Tuck Rule and a bunch of other rules favoring offense. No small coincidence that Brady and Manning were their QBs at the time. (To be sure, fantasy football has plenty to do with it also, but still...)
@@brandon.brooks4872 exactly, fools acting like Tom or his teams didn't influence many of these rule changes much less benefit from them
Tom is right. They are pushing rookie quarterbacks to walk into the meat grinder without sufficient protection and knowledge.. how many rookie quarterbacks have been destroyed before their chance to prime. It's only the very few that shine as superstars early on and don't get haunted by injuries.
Hasselbeck is probably just upset that when he was a rookie, he had to sit on the bench for 15 years
Pat Mahomes didn’t play until the last game his rookie year lol
Starting a rookie their first year is not ideal is what Tom is saying. Give a rookie some time to develop rather than putting them out on the field too early. Development over winning!
I'm trusting the guy who played the position in an elite fashion and went to 10 SBs and won 7 of them over some 3rd or 4th string "analyst" in ESPN that hasn't played the position...and that includes Tim Hasselbeck
Tom is absolutely right, I can’t think of a rookie that’s played meaningful ball year 1. Last one was Andrew Luck. Outside of that they struggle.
The Texans had a good Rookie last year. 😎
@@DavidC-pg6ni
Wait for the 2nd year regression, now that teams have film on him.
@@NotBobIsMeMaybe but clearly had the best year for a Rookie ever.
I believe Brady is correct, although there’s a chance someone like CJ Stroud or Caleb Williams can come into a good situation.
Really lol. There's plenty of them. Stroud. Matt Ryan. Ben Roethlisberger. Russell Wilson. Joe Flacco. RG3. Dude, you can certainly play Year 1 and ball out
Time to fact check; Mahomes sat his rookie season and played the final game against the Broncos. So, they just proved that Tom was right lol
Tom Brady as a GM would be interesting.
TB 12 forgot more about how to play quarterback then all of these idiots combined!
EXACTLY
Huh
The game is dumbed down. It's easier to be a QB now. That's Tom Brady's point. Most coaches now are pass-focused and research and build teams to operate in a pass-friendly system. It's common knowledge especially for an actual NFL fan. It doesn't mean QB's are dumb, but the game is dumbed down and mostly on defense. How many QB's were throwing with the stats that most throw now? Maybe 5. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Favre, Peyton Manning.
Honestly some of the best qbs right now didn’t start week one in their rookie season. Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Hurts
Tom just retired. He knows what he speaks. He sees all these kids and doesnt need to dumb it down or be soft to these rookies.
Having systems built on college player and what players do well doesnt make the system better or smarter.
Manning throwing all those picks could have messed up his development. It CERTAINLY messed up the no.2 pick.
David Carr starting behind a HORRIBLE O line for 2 yrs that wrecked him and he never recovered.
We lost Luck thanks to going to a horrible team and not giving him development or an OFF line to protect him.
ESPN analyst are idiots. They either never played or was a backup at the position or was just a quality starter at a supplemental position.
Im the biggest Brady fanboy ive known but he wasnt saying any of this when he was playing. He benefitted the most from these rules out of any QB but now he wants to complain about them
Yeah the game has evolved. No one is wrong but the tragedy Tom mentioned was the game isnt as deep schematically as it used to be. He would know. Tom > ESPN
Brady is right. People have gotten so impatient and out of touch that they don't understand actual skill development anymore. They think the real world works like a video game. And the problem goes for all sports.
So Tom doesn't know what he's talking about but they all do. Just pointing out how easy it is in today's game to start.
NFL teams should take notes from Green Bay on developing quarterbacks.
TB12 is right. Mahomes didn't start his rookie year until the very end. Brady and Mahomes both had coaches who were secure in their job. That matters a lot.
For every Dan Marino there is a Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning who both stunk to high heavens as rookies. Luckily it didn't ruin either of them... but it might have. They got lucky with an improved roster their second years.
And that Why Caleb Williams might be Next if they Got improved roster if Sean Payton is there head coach and JJ McCarthy if They Balanced the roster together including acquiring CMC.
Look back at the NFL in the 2000s and observe the offensive line. You will see that they are just overall better then todays o lines because they practiced more (two a days etcetera). Nowadays teams just don’t practice as much as they used to.
I'm going to jump on a limb and say Tom Brady is 1000 times more knowledgeable than Tim Hasselbech. Tim Hasselbech isn't even allowed to hold Tom Bradys jock strap.
I’ll listen to Tom’s 20 years
It's a two part issue. Coaches don't get enough leash to actually build something. And not enough time is spent developing QB's.. some of them will be good enough to start immediately. But what Tom is saying is these guys aren't allowed to be to play through a learning curve. Without being cast out as a bust. Especially when the environment isn't great for success. We see it time and time again.
Tua’s a great example of someone thriving from a dumbed down offense. He’s also a crybaby that got broke by a Super Bowl winning coach.
Everyone giving him praise calling out Flores is cringe AF. My best coaches and mentors in my life were tough AF to me.
Yea he a super bowl winning coach bil was the head coach b flo not bil you don't have credibility has s head coach b flo didn't know how to handle it properly mind you he a defensive minded coach now he has to deal with offense now bil was winning before tom got there and b flo wanted it like how tb12 took it mental health is s big thing there one to be harsh but b flo was belittling him great coaches know when to and what to say to certain players and tb12 and bil respected each other tua and b flo from the gate didnt get along b flo was campaigning for a different qb but now tua claps back its problem y'all the crybabies lol know the truth before speaking
Any time is old guy gives his perspective it’s get off my lawn lol. I think I’ll listen to Tom over these bafoons
I am a C level officer, I work with younger generations, the 90s, early 00s... These kids are just on functional level. They are lazy, manipulative, dont really use their brains, and dont take ownership of anything. In training, their attention spans 10-15 mins. I am not the GOAT, but I am thinking why it should be any different in other industries?! And that is just common sense, without actually watching American football. Once you add that, and you get a certain Bills QB respond to Brady "Oh I do not do that, i just take the ball and throw it to the furthest away open wr. Sorry, but that tells me Brady is spot on.
Exactly - I did lawn maintenance for years at all the Hugh School Football fields and i actually got off the mower to pick up paper cups ,plates, tape off the field - Nowadays these kids just run over it with the mower. They have ZERO work ethic or sense of self respect for the job
I think the Packers are good case study for this.
Yes, they fn are! ~ The rest of NFC
Steve McNair was a prime example Jordan Love is another and as I said that I think of Aaron Rodgers who sat behind Farve. Yes Tom is right
This is ESPN VS TOM BRADY. let's just get REAL. These commentators are clearly reading a script prepared by a non athlete behind a desk who eats 2 dozen donuts for lunch.
Mahomes didn’t start because of Alex Smith
Rodgers waited until Farve got traded
Love waited until Rodgers got traded
Brees struggled because he was thrown in there and had to be traded
I think rookie QBs should definitely aspire to be a starter but they benefit more from waiting.
They will say Stroud didn’t need to wait, but will not mention Darnold, Wilson, Trubisky, Fields,
Who here has won a SB....I'll listen to him
Clark -- the one making the worst attempt at a point, ironically -- has, but I get your point.
they can't even win SB's on Play Station
Big “old man complaining about kids” energy from tom
Idk i think im going to listen to the goat that is a quarterback not ESPN analysts
My problem is we're talking about these quarterbacks as if all of them won their teams their division the first year they started. These teams are not getting that much better from the talented quarterbacks playing right away. He's not saying those QBs aren't talented.
lol the announcers are taking his words out of context he never called the players dumb he’s saying they keep dumbing down the game. By forcing new players to start with no experience in the league they often fail much faster, and he’s right. I’ve come to learn that Brady knows more about football than many active football players.
Consider the IQ of the panel! They're going to take it personal because they're not so sharp- at least 2 of them for sure! Why RC even has a job in media with his atrocious grammar is beyond me!
Tom just saying what we’ve been thinking for the last 3 years. Mahomes and Lamar are the only fun QBs to watch. Ever other team just plopping rookies down, giving them no time to develop, then dumping them when they rightfully don’t perform. And all of this just because the “coaches are afraid they will lose their jobs”
CJ is fun to watch
Josh Allen isn't fun to watch?
I mostly agree with Tom on this one…the level of time for development of QBs is slim to none now and days. When Peyton started he threw 28 Ints…any rookie QB throwing 28 INTs in today’s game is getting the boot. There’s little room for error.
I hope Josh Allen never Did this or is he?
Mahomes is an exceptional QB beyond that Zac Wilson, Bryce Young, Mac Jones and Justin Fields all started and all were bad. We honestly need to force veteran QBs to be better giving rookies time to develop and get better before starting. There's nothing wrong with what TB12 said.
It has dumbed down.
But...
One very important rule was changed because he was hit and missed the whole season.
QB friendly league and still most of these rookies qb are eaten alive.
That rule change isn't the reason nfl offensive schemes are being dumbed down. Also that was the nfls decision so don't hold it against Tom lol
Flores was used to winning it all in New England, so he expects nothing less. At the end of the day, the fact is, Tua still doesn't belong if they want to win it all. He was superb last year, no doubt. However, that was mostly against teams with losing records. He was 1-6 vs teams with winning records. And their lone win was against Dallas (by 3 points and in Miami) which was promply blown out in the playoffs just 3 or so weeks later at Dallas' home. And all that was with the addition of Tyreek Hill and the track team Miami now has.
You can take it however you want, but at the end of the day, if the goal is to be great vs average to bad teams in the regular season, then Tua's great for that as long as you keep the fastest offensive skill players in the league around him. But if the goal is to go deep in the playoffs, nevermind wining it all, then Flores was right.
They drafted my cousin to play in that backfield this year, I almost hate it for him.
Flores also sued the nfl bc nobody wanted him lol
TB couldn't start his rookie year, he had a B cup and couldn't do a pull up.
It's an understanding and adjustment of the NFL game. Most rookies have to learn about defensive shemes , learn knew formations and work on NFL mechanics, even have to learn to play under center. Plus I'm pretty sure a 6th round draft pick spent a lot of time watching film. One more thing, I think coaching was more intense, I think the league softened with some rule changes.
But the game has evolved in ways that benefit rookies. For example, modern college offenses are more similar to NFL schemes than they used to be, which can ease the transition. Plus, with advances in technology and training, players have more resources to prepare for the NFL game. Coaching might be different, but it’s also more specialized now, with position-specific coaches and tailored training programs. So while the league might have softened in some ways, it's also become more sophisticated in others
The ratio of rookie QBs succeeding vs those that bombed isn't good. The game has evolved to a point where you need to be able to scramble and make certain types of throws. Tom is halfway right but there aren't lot of great QBs in the league right now either that can stay healthy.
It’s all about having good coaching at the end boss😊
Tim Hasselback disagrees with Tom Brady lol
Tough decision, believe Tom Brady on the game of football, or Jeff Darlington and the 2000s version of Kirk Cousins (and thats a generous comparison)
Bottom line Tom Brady is right. It's more advanced than just what he's saying about rookies. The problem in today's NFL is everybody is drafted off talent. There's a reason Tom was 4th on the depth chart and that reason is because from a physical stand point he was barely better than your average Joe. Now it is a little bit of him hating because he wasn't born with Lamar Jackson's speed and shiftiness, BUT a lot of guys now a days come in to the league thinking that they can get by with their pure athleticism. There are very few quarterbacks in the league today that can actually read a defense on every single play. Reading defenses setting them up with your eyes studying game film is a lost art. Now a days what the NFL is looking for is can you throw the ball 80 yards? Can you run a 4.4 40? Because that's exciting. But you don't need to be smart to run a 4.4 is what tom is saying
I think what has dumb down or lack of talent is the db position.. corners suck now .
It's not that they suck it's that they can't grab, pull and maul the receivers like they used to be able too
You also have to understand that technology has evolved preparing them to start more often. It used to be you had to go back to the film room Monday morning to see where you messed up at. Now they literally have tablets on side lines where you can see instant replay from every angle. Now they’re literally getting coached while the game is going on with the microphone built into the helmet so you can hear the defensive coordinator screaming blitz or they are in cover 3. Nothing personal it’s just they don’t have to put in as much as you did Tom.
Imagine going against TB12 in anything related to football…
Eat the L segment ESPN
Impatience and money, that’s why rookies are playing earlier. So yes, game integrity is lost.
EJ manuel , Geno Smith, Christian Ponder, Johnny manziel, trey lance,zach wilson, matt leinart, brady quinn, david carr, mark sanchez, jake locker, , josh rosen, sam darnold . These are the guys Tom Brady is talking about, guys that were thrown into the line of fire when they had no business of playing early , who in geno's case , actually has had a chance to resurrect his career and is an actual starter again. Hes not talking about patrick mahomes ( who waited), lamar jackson ( who waited) jordan love ( who waited) , jalen hurts ( who waited ) . Hes not talking about #1 picks like stafford and lawrence who fortunately/unfortunately have no choice but to start.
Lmfaooo these guys are chatting. Tom is referring to majority of qbs who start right away aren’t successful and there are many examples of that. Pat sat behind Alex.eli behind Kurt rodgers behind farve lmfaooo these guys are delusional
I believe Tua. When Flores sued all the teams in the NFL for not interviewing him, it told us all we need to know about his character.
Agreed, and the fact no other team has considered him for their HC says it all as well.
Watch none of these first year rookie quarterbacks get a Super Bowl within 5 years. Aka Lamar - Josh A, all world talent no rings. No AFC - NFC championships
Tom's opinion > anything these clowns said
U know I really didn’t wanna be that guy but imma say it. A guy like Tim hasselbeck has no right to disagree with anything Tom Brady has to say if we’re being honest
Brady is partially right here. Some of these rookie QBs aren't ready to be starting, they're just the best that those teams currently have.
Wow 4 jags trying to prove they are more football smart than Tom Brady.
But they lose to Brady.
Brady misworded it really. There’s no debating the fact that practically none of these incoming rookies except for maybe a handful can play under center in a pro style offense.
The game had to switch to mainly RPO, shotgun and spread offense because the qbs couldnt handle the playbook. Its also the reason most of them can only make 1 read and then they take off.
Not to mention how easy the game has become for offenses with pass interference rules and the ultimate protection of the QB, albeit Brady shouldnt be complaining about that he’s the one that started the whole u cant touch the QB, the Pats O-line never gets holding calls and ridiculous pass interference calls favoring them.
Typical media taking Brady’s words and twisting them to fit their narrative. Now Brady knows what its like to be Trump
Ryan Clarke and Domonique Foxworth 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Mahomes sat, Lamar sat, Hurts sat, Dak sat, Allen sat, Love sat, all of these guys are at the top of the game. Tom has a great point... Look at the guys who struggled Baker, Feilds, Darnold, Lawrence, Young, Howell, Dan Jones, Wilson, D Haskins, Pickett. There is a long list....
This was a major reason why Goff failed in LA. McVay simplified the offense to the point he was using the mic to tell Goff where to go with the ball, that’s why they only scored 3 points in the superbowl. Bill knew this and shifted the defense late after the 15 second mic shutoff so now Goff is out there with no one to hold his hand
I guess these ESPN guys don't remember? Weren't there a few time HCs have said they had to limit the playbook for their new QB?????
My God these guys are insufferable. Name off two of the greatest QBs of all time as the example why QBs should start right out of the gate. Completely misunderstood what Tom is saying and then attack him out of thier own ignorance. This is why espn is the garbage pile of sports broadcasting.
If Tua didn't want to be in the facility because of how he was being treated, it must have been really bad. Tua is a tough guy make no mistake about it.
They all said Tom was wrong but went on to prove he was right by everything they said
2:40 "Tom says the game is dumbed down but look at what Mahomes is doing with his legs so how could it be dumbed down!"
This guy IS the dumbing down of the NFL
Justin Fields being thrown out there and playing has hurt him. The dude still doesn't know how to read defenses . Zack Wilson was a project player who was made to play, Rosen never got a real chance after AZ. And it's also not just QBs Olinemen aren't getting the same practice time they use to because or the CBA
That’s because you can’t rush perfection.
You can’t accelerate progress.
You can’t raise expectations without the product being finished.
Finally you can’t cook an incomplete meal without the ingredients.
But otherwise you can’t microwave results my gee🫵🏿
@@vincente4570 exactly the NFLPA deseves so much blame for this because they took less practice time instead of more money from the owners
@@HoodedAlchemy That I can’t argue paaaa😎
The elephant in the room is that the league is going DEI. But remember that Tom Brady, the slow-footed White guy with no arm, was the smartest player on the field during the game - on both sides of the ball and has seven Super Bowl rings.
We’ll just leave it at that.
I’m so glad we push people like Flores with pure anger issues UP so we can see these outbursts! So fun 🤩🙃
"Flag football with Pads!" Take the defense out of the equation, legislating the fear out of it, the game becomes "dumber" and "easier"!
The dumb down comments are about rule changes. Not that the games dumb. He has been a big advocate for blaming the QBs when there reciever gets hammered hard because the inexperienced QBs throw directly into top level coverage.
Tom is right, he’s 100% correct and I’m sure Daniels is perfect to start but to pressure it is not good
I agree with Tom. Nfl gets more pussified every year