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@@sugasiced-coffee9408 I agree! So many times I've watched the guys talk over V or laugh at something he's said and I wonder "how is V feeling right now?" He must get so frustrated.
@@sugasiced-coffee9408 I don't think the older members are being dismissive towards V's opinions. Sometimes it seems like they joke around his unique ideas but they clearly give more attention when he explains something especially in serious situations. I've seen in lot of time when V was being less interactive or quiet they encourage him to speak. Not just for V, they are like that for all members.
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In this incident, Jin is really impressive. In South Korea, respect for seniority is very important. It is impossible to apologize to younger people first, respect him very much.
I understand that from watching them and some other shows, so I give props to Jin for being so mature and able to put some traditions aside to resolve any issue
@@iyavh1247 There is no bigger guy, they both realized they were partially at fault by not explaining themselves clearly and they got together to talk it through until they understood one another better.
If you actually didn't know, their CEO told them to get together and solve every problem themselves from the very beginning of their career. Even if it's between 2 members they all must gather and solve it themselves. No matter how embarrassing the situation is, they should talk about it. And I think like that they got soo close as they are now.
It's a really good thing because when two people argue they're both so emotionally involved and maybe their pride takes over their logic. So it's good to have the objective yet caring view of the other members. I always ask my best friend for counsel when I have arguments with family or friends because she's objective and she cares about me so she can tell me honestly if I messed up or if I was wronged.
That was incredibly smart of him. Groups need to really resolve things and be honestly close when they are together as much as kpop groups are. It’s definitely one of the reasons they have lasted so long and will probably last many more years
@@myheartwillstopinjoy8142 I also think it's a good way to prevent cliques/subgroups from happening. I have been in way too many friend groups where people start picking sides because they only heard one perspective and it eventually breaks up the entire group.
It was really nice to see how they dealt with the conflict in a calm and civil manner. Namjoon was right, it affects the whole team so they should all be involved in the process of solving whatever it is. They're truly amazing, it's no wonder their bond is so strong
V's facial expressions tend to get people to misunderstand him. He did say it is one of his worries. When he smiles, he looks very approachable, but when he's expressionless, sometimes, even as a fan, he looks like he's planning murder. But he is a softie on the inside. At least, from what can be seen on camera. He actually cries the most too. Also, he is one of the members who changed the most since debut. Not in a bad way. In the older days, you'll be surprised to see Tae when he was in his teens or his very early twenties, because he was an absolute goofball. He used to joke around all the time, he was still very "weird" and the members called him "alien" in terms of his thinking, but he was so funny. He played pranks all the time. And at one point, he started changing. It might be due to a lot of things. I mean, BTS got a lot of hate, death threats, and it probably would have been very upsetting for a teen to hear those words. And then his grandparents passed away whom he thought of as his parents, and then he lost another friend to suicide. I think this was when he really started to change. He's still very sweet and smiles a lot and laughs a lot, but he definitely changed quite a bit.
you summed it all up perfectly! I hate when people phrase tae's change as something negative, that there's something "wrong" with him because of how different he is now, compared to before. I think we as fans should stop dissecting him and instead just let him continue to grow into the person he is now, and the person he is going to be. he was amazing then, and he is equally as amazing now! though he's definitely quite the character, I'll say. out of all 7 of the members, whom I'd label as clay made into for instance vases of different colours, shapes, and sizes, to me, taehyung is the only one who seems to embody clay that has not yet hardened, clay that is still possible to mold. he's like a puzzle sometimes man I love it
I love that their founder and CEO bang PD told/ taught them that no matter how embarrassing or small the conflict is, they come together and resolve it as a group. It's creates a stronger synergy with the boys - which results in not a group but a family. Suga says they don't argue anymore really cuz they know how to resolve conflict and know each other incredibly well.
I was just going to comment this. I think more groups would still be around or at least closer if they were encouraged to work out issue and not push it down to avoid conflict. The issues are still there but now the damage is worst because no one feels heard.
I think probably the reason, Taehyung (V) got a little tense with Jin is that he felt he wasn't being heard or taken seriously and like Jin said, his pride got hurt from being criticized. After this fight, it's so sweet to see how much they truly listened to each other because I can see at moments when they both recognize what the other might be feeling. In certain instances, you can see if Taehyung hasn't spoken or someone talks over him, Jin tends to try to get the attention on Taehyung so he can finally speak. Then with Jin, when he tends to get self deprecating or insecure about something, Taehyung is the first to compliment Jin or tell him he did great.
Yes, it hurts more when you know Tae said "Jin Hyung is my favourite Hyung." And how much they care for each other......!!!!! Tae has always been the FIRST to defend Jin from himself when he used to downgrade himself!!!! And Jin has always been there for Tae. But that just made their friendship so much stronger!!!! So now it's all good !!!💜
their relationship was always like that tho, its not just after the argument :) jin always pay attention to make sure V talk and V always make sure to not let jin look down on himself
Oh why sad. That’s just life. We all have situations like this. I’m just filled with pride at seeing how they deal with it. It shows their growth and maturity
They have prob another thousand of fights that arent filmed, and its normal, its life. But ofc its sad to see how sad they feel and at the same time its so cool to see them solving it.
Few years later, we got to know that jin was objectively correct in his stance, he was really placed really far away & ran as fast as he could. Inspite of being correct, he chose to apologize first to end the fight & on top of that shared his vulnerable side, speaks volumes of jin's character, maturity & his role in keeping the group together. His EQ & selflessness is unmatched
yeah tae was definitely in the wrong. everyone makes mistakes so idk why some people find it ~so offensive~ to notice that he was wrong. they resolved the issue & chose to share the moment with us, knowing we would talk about it. it doesnt hurt tae in any way to recognize that jin could not change pace without messing up his sense of rhythm & thus tae was objectively wrong. he is still an amazing person, a sweetheart, a good friend. but he is human & no human is infallible. bts never claimed to be perfect & army should love them for who they really are, not for some idealized fantasy shadow of them.
Seokjin says “Pride is good for nothing” likewise we can see how he took the initiative to apologize even when there was no mistake from his side. It only shows his selfless nature. People say maybe it was because he is the oldest but honestly by seokjin's actions one can easily know he was raised in a good family. The way he maintained his composure till the problem was solved amazes me. He truly has strong mentality and is secure of his abilities that he was able pull himself together even when no one comforted him. He is someone who doesn't seek validation. I love this most precious selfless human.
I agree with you but one thing I will disagree with is when you said Jin made “no mistake from his side.” I think what he should have been a bit more cautious about is when he told Tae that it wasn’t a big deal. Everyone feels differently about different situations. That was probably the part that hurt Tae the most because he really took it seriously. He must have felt that Jin was disregarding his feelings. I personally feel like that was a mistake. But opinions differ.
@@rhens8088 i get what you’re saying but no matter what especially in places like Korea that value respect very very highly, taes approach to confronting the matter was a bit condenscending, because people are saying Jin didn’t take tae seriously when I have watched this video countless of times and I can’t see where Jin cracked a smile even once, he was being very serious all through. Tae made his point Jin politely told him I cannot do anything faster than I have already done, it’s almost too late? Jin was polite and cordial throughout cus he had hindsight of what could eventually blow up to be a big issue( which it did) so he was just trying to avoid it. I agree he did it in a way that seemed dismissive but his points were very valid and it saddens me to see people talk like he should have known better
@@rhens8088 the problem in that is also that Jin said he was trying his best multiple times but he wasn’t taken seriously, even dismissed. Although It didn’t seem like he joked about it at all. In my opinion. And then them just assuming he was at fault here for “messing” up the choreo and not considering the possibility that it could have been tae, which it was, because tae went way too far as seen in the footage of that concert day. So jin didn’t even “mess” up.
Jin and V are literally each other's biggest supporters, which I love about their bond. Some of my favourite moments were when V was skipped over in interviews but Jin brought back attention to him and my personal fav is the pancake/jeon flipping moment in Soop season 1. And of course, V vehemently supporting Jin and trying to bring him out of his insecurities. 💜 These two... ugh🥰
@@raghad_1789 tf? Jin always supports all of them. Sun flower isnt even a song. Also Jin always takes care of them specially taehyung. You clearly dont know shit
@@raghad_1789 If you REALLY think that Jin doesn't support V, then you're either not really a true ARMY or you're probably new to the fandom. There are many videos of them on youtube showing their bond and support, please watch them. Rather, their bond is so strong that they were the first OG ship in BTS
@@raghad_1789 he didnt say he doesnt like it, he said he doesnt like the vibe of song for christmas. his fave song on be literally was blue and gray. go watch some taejin videos.
I have the utmost respect to Jin. Even if he's not at fault, he apologized because he's the older one. He may seems always joking but deep inside we don't know how he is. As they said, he's different off and on cam. I hope this fandom stop the stereotypes about him.
In their culture, Tae was at fault. I remember an incident in their rookie days where they were interviewed and Jimin made a joke mocking Jin. Everyone, especially Suga, told him to apologize to Jin for talking like that to someone older than him, right in front of everyone, including the host 😆 and Jimin looked very awkward and embarrassed and immediately apologized, saying something along the lines, ‘sorry hyung. It was just a joke. Please forgive me.’
@@cloverthv I definitely felt like V was at fault for starting this talk and very specifically pointing out this issue when Jin wasn't at fault with the choreo. This was choreo they had already performed and Jin danced to it perfectly, and that's why he pushed back. And in the footage Jin wasn't joking at all, he was fighting back saying he didn't think he did badly like V was claiming. There was probably footage in the middle where Jin tried to diffuse the situation with a joke, which he always tries to do to get rid of tension, but V was already so upset and got more upset that Jin would joke at a time like that. Jin has said that sometime he tries to joke to make the mood lighter but then people misunderstand and he can make people feel worse which was not his intention. It was only at the end of the clip, and in later interviews, that the members brought up Jin joking. V mentions Jin joking and making him feel like he didn't take what V was saying seriously, but this was not at the start of their argument and the 'joking' wasn't something that was ever shown on screen. We never saw Jin joking or taking what V said lightly. We did see him arguing back though and fighting for what he thought was right. It was also so mature of Jin to apologize and you could tell he was really trying his best to correct the argument at this point so it wouldn't get bigger and continue to affect the concert. It looked like he was trying to throw everything at that situation to make it better because I think he realized at that point arguing with V was not worth it. He saw the bigger picture and decided to apologize. What I took from this was definitely that Jin was trying to push back on what he thought was unfair criticism and V getting upset that he was not listening to him at all, and when the argument blew up I don't think V was in a good place to be able to sort out his emotions which is something we can all sympathize with when we feel so overwhelmed and we don't feel good but can't get out of that mindset. Plus everyone was feeling stressed before the concert, this was all within 30 minutes of the start of the concert, so Jin was probably stressed too?!, especially since we know how insecure he is about his dancing. And we know since then V has always been his biggest champion for Jin's dancing. So both of the boys were very tense and just trying to point out what they thought was correct and wanted to be heard and taken seriously. It was actually more shocking to me that it happened so close to the beginning of the concert. Must have been tense for the whole band, and even the staff there.
@@endxofxeternity I feel that Jin only apologized about making a “joke” to use it as a medium- in order to apologize. If he did make a joke, Tae would absolutely have expressed that as a major reason as to “why” he’d get upset. Tae didn’t mention anything about this at all, instead his issue was on Jin saying “but I’m doing my best” repeatedly. So in my POV, Jin just said this as a quick go-to in order to apologize. His skills are his skills. It was “minutes” before the concert, that’s probably why he kept saying “I’m doing my best..” Jin’s apology for making a joke, for me, was a way of masking his insecurity which I feel was tapped by Tae’s insisting he adjust his learned move on the spot. It was giving him extra pressure on top of the actual pressure. Just in my opinion, I commend Jin (who’s the Hyung) taking the high road so to speak and apologizing, I feel it would have been better if Tae also apologized for whatever he caused his Jin Hyung and the group, for whatever it’s worth..but then again, I’m proud of all of them, and this brotherhood wouldn’t have grown to what it is now, if they didn’t go through these real life “roller coasters.”
@@cloverthv don't try to talk to them, I'm sure they're solo stans cause the comment sections if full of them. It's just so funny how they got a conclusion from a edited video that Jin is the best of the best and that Tae is so bad and childish, as if this people lived with bts 24/7
Jin is really such a mature person, he apologised first and put his pride aside even tho it was not his fault. His pride was not hurt because he is the oldest and tae tried to correct him, he felt bad because it was clearly not his mistake, in the actual performance video, tae went further than usual on his spot which is why it took Jin longer to reach even tho he ran really fast but despite defending himself and making it clear that he ran as fast as he could tae didn’t understand because his pride hurt for not been taken seriously. The fact that Jin apologised despite all that showcased how mature and professional he is !
Yeah, but Jin himself also said that him being older also plays a part in why he was offended. And there's nothing wrong with that, because at least he's self aware. Don't speak over him and say your own thoughts when Jin himself already admitted it.
This particular footage taught me a lot about how to face my own pride and own up to my mistake. They truly are something else, with their sincerity and honesty, they showing people, the fans that "hey, we're human too." coz a lot of times many idols are portrayed to be this "Perfect Figure", I can never relate to that. But BTS, man, they truly are amazing people, coz I learned soo much not only through their music but their contents like this one too. Thank you for reacting to this, this video always get me emotional whenever watching it >
I honestly think the amount of authenticity and imperfection they share is one of the reasons they're so much more globally popular than other idol groups. Like, I can't imagine some of the other labels letting us see the messy side of the performers the way BigHit has.
@@meghall337 truee! That way could show the fans that we could relate to them in many aspects since we're all human to begin with. Not saying other idols aren't human. But BTS don't put up too much effort being someone they not. They're not afraid to speak up even against their company if sth doesn't sit right with them, & great thing is that the company listen. So it's a great mutual respect between BTS members & BTS - Bighit that allows us to see the transparency or the rawness of themselves. It also shows in their music/arts. They talk about things other musicians rarely do. The real things in life. Not just love but vulnerability too & many more. I stan the right people & am proud 💜
When Jin told about his pride as a elder person, I can understand that. Jin always makes jokes and he is funny. That's how most people know him but this isn't his real side. Jin himself gets depressed very often. You can know that from his self-produced songs like Tonight and Abyss. But he hides that side. He doesn't want people feel sad because of him. So, he is cheerful and extroverted only in front of camera. He admitted that too once in his interview. Early years of their debut, Jin was a very quiet member just like Suga. Even members said that. He becomes funny and cheerful after their Fire comeback in 2016. He said he changed because of members and ARMYs. Although his family is rich, he had to face so many problems cuz people tell he had no skill. RM said that they once made fun of him cuz he looked awkward back then. People think he is really confident. Yes, he is but not in every aspect. He isn't confident about his dancing and singing although he's great. That's why he wrote and sings the song " Abyss " to express his real feelings through his music. He said he wants people to listen his songs but at the same time he doesn't want them to listen to them cuz his songs are sad and emotional. Jin is described as a K-pop idol who cares about mental health and emotional stuff the most in whole K-pop industry. His songs help people to love themselves and not to worry to express our pain. If you want to know about him more, please react to " Kim SeokJin : A documentary ". Thanks for reacting and analyzing about BTS.
So true. It's more meaningful when someone so bright and stoic comes out to talk about their mental health and struggles in a very level headed way. Like these are issues that affect all of us and it's okay to be going through things. And he encourages us to speak up if we're struggling.
He definitely likes Jin too. As a person and leader and a personality. Talks about his quite vocally in every video, right from the start. I would have said Suga and Jin were his bias.
Actually, for people who doesn't know, in Spring day practice Tae was sitting down a lil bit further than in his usual spot, then Jin needed more time to reach out to him before the music change (there is a video when Hobi analyzing their movement on the stage to see what actually happened). So, the fact that Jin is the one who apologized is really a big thing, considering his pride as the oldest. But i'm really glad that after this happened, their bond are stronger. They really love each other more. That's what matters.
This 👌, yes it was later known that Jin did infact try to get there as fast as he could but the formation was so spread that it was impossible for him to reach his next spot fast enough :3, and still apologize for getting defensive, he is such a kind soul
Yes, Jin is very good at knowing his position in the formation. However, he does not like to see anyone unhappy, so he must have seen the hurt on Vs face after the dispute which led him to apologize. It didn't matter who is in the wrong, what matters is mending the hurt feelings and learning from them. I remember Jin saying in an interview there are some people you can do certain jokes with and some you can not (because of having a different mindset). We get to know how sensitive V is if he feels his opinion is not being taken seriously from this clip.
And what did come up from Hobi analysis? I hope Tae was informed, so next time he will be more careful when bringing this things up or when disregarding the other person, whom is repeatedly telling him that he did his bests, specially when that person is not as good as him on a certain matter. In any case im glad they sorted out the issue, the level of emotional intelligence this guys have is amazing.
@@OrualMuse lol calm yourself, you sound so offended for some reason. This incident happened years ago and the boys, all of them, learn from their past and problems, if not then they wouldn't be together until now.
Wow! I still have to watch the video but I have to say this is an amazing pick! This is the first and only - in their 8 year long career - serious fight in front of cameras, which says a lot because they are always being filmed. But hey that doesn't meand they just don't fight. The members are like family to each other, but even families fight! We are all humans after all. BTS shared on multiple ocassions that they used to fight more before they debuted (2013) because they were all young, didn't understand each other and didn't know how to relieve stress, but now that rarely happens. They and their CEO also shared that their method to solve fights is to sit down and talk about it as a group even if only a few members are involved. The CEO encouraged this method and also told them it's okay to have fights, that real conflict occurs when fights don't happen. Just sharing this info :) i have been loving your BTS content so far! Thank you for your hard work 💜
btw~ when Jin mentioned "i am older so it hurt my pride" or something like that.. In Korea, age plays a big role in the hierarchy of respect. Older people have more authority & 'power', but as BTS is such a family now, the older members have given the younger ones permission to sometimes break the boundaries of the age thing which is sweet & shows how close they really are!
"It makes us feel good knowing that others are going through the same things as we are." I totally agree, it actually reminds me of some lyrics wrote by RM in his song that's called Moonchild. He said: "Somebody will be consoled by looking at your thorns for sure. We are eachothers nightscape, eachothers moon" such a beautiful and comforting idea.
they are my ultimate brother ship actually, cz both of them really are supportive to each other. Tae will be the first one to defend Jin whenever he feel down and vice versa. I remember when Jin said that he can't dance well in MOTS comeback i think and Tae is the first one to argue that, and when Tae feel down because the member said he shouldn't flip tha Pajeon (In the soop), but Jin is the first one to support him. sorry ion speak english well
If you want to see even more emotions from them I'd recommend checking out the MAMA 2018 speech with English subs. Here they talk about almost disbanding that year while accepting an award, and they are all affected but particularly Taehyung gets emotional
Yes, I agree with you. Maybe he can start reacting to all their AWARDS SPEECH and ALBUM PRESS CONFERENCES. GDA award show 2019 (Album of the year) th-cam.com/video/NVmm_-QNkV0/w-d-xo.html - I personally love this speech here. MAMA 2018 - th-cam.com/video/vVs710bHkNA/w-d-xo.html Variety Hitmakers - Group of the year - th-cam.com/video/bQeqsS6VEDI/w-d-xo.html RM compilation speech award 2019. th-cam.com/video/lu1jIaDLjhI/w-d-xo.html One thing that you can be sure when listening to BTS speech especially RM, the content of the speech didnt stay same..it is always hit differently...sometimes they mentioned person who really close to them or someone who respected by their nation, talk about their past story, talked about their difficulties and so on. That is why ARMY love to listen to their speech. Actually there is so much I wanna share with you...hahaha...
The bond these 7 men have managed to cultivate with one another is crazy, they're all so close. Every dynamic in this group is just as precious as the last
I absolutelly adore the way Yoongi is speaking about serious stuff. So calm, rational and at the same time it feels like his words are deeply thought through. This man...
The fact that Jin really heard Taehyung and apologised was amazing. In Korean culture usually the oldest ( hyung) doesnt tend to do that, most of the time younger bros always make the compromise. Love that Jin has no pride.
I'm 47 and exactly this scene got me into BTS years ago. I was so impressed by their mature way of having an argument. And then I found out that they're making good, meaningful music too 😆
This video is one of the reasons Jin is my fave. You said "Jin doesn't seem to take things seriously" just because he jokes around in content and interviews doesn't mean he's not serious about their JOB. He is extremely serious about performing singing and dancing. He was not in the wrong but he apologized first. The way he maintained his composure is impressive. especially right before a concert.. Also being the oldest is a Huge thing in korea. and taehyung put him on the spot in front of everyone, not just their team but the cameramen etc. I wish you would watch Jin's speeches about disbandment and chart manipulation or read his interviews(weverse 2021 is a good one.)
This exactly. The respect thing is always underappreciated among I-army as it's not a thing in the western world. But it'd be like if your father apologized to you for something he didn't really do. As an Asian it's not something you see. It was big of Jin to admit it and reach out to V to mitigate the situation. He's always so stoic even though he jokes. He takes his job as an entertainer seriously and is always trying to diffuse the tension in the air so when it got directed at him in such a situation I completely understand where he is coming from. And Jin is known as someone who will stand up for himself and his people if he feels he is being unjustly attacked. I think the joking part happened later because Jin was trying to diffuse the situation but then V took it even worse that Jin would joke at a time like this when he was already upset. And so Jin apologized for joking. But at the start V was definitely going at him and I can't imagine any scenario where Jin would just bow his head and accept that when he knew he didn't do anything wrong.
@@endxofxeternity what at the beginning are you alking about?? are you refering to an EDITED video?? cause there's no way to know when did it start. It's so funny cause you all talk aboutbts as if you lived 24/7 with them
7:32 I’ve noticed that Taehyung is a very very emotional person but tends to hold it in until he bursts. He’s talked about this before too, that he tends to not talk to others about his emotional issues.
Yes. Blue and Gray was supposed to be his personal mixtape song but he was asked to include it on the last album where the other members got to express their sadness, too. I feel like it was important for V's emotional state to be acknowledged as both shared by and inspiring to the others - as well as to all the rest of us.
Taehyung is the reason I found BTS. I saw him in a kdrama and wanted to know his name. This video came up when I googled him and was the first BTS video I ever watched. This exchange is what made me fall for BTS. I hadn’t even heard a song yet when I watched this. I’m a dancer in a group of five females and I understand the pressure of wanting to get it right and at times becoming emotional. I remember watching this and thinking OMG these are 7 men who sat down and had an open and honest discussion after 2 had a disagreement. The respect for boundaries and for each other and their emotional intelligence was so refreshing to watch and something I crave from my ALL my relationship. There was no yelling and no toxic masculinity like I’m used to seeing in arguments between men. To me it seemed like more of a discussion between two brothers that that dealt with before they went to sleep. Now knowing this was something BangPD required of them instead of letting them bury their issues made me respect BigHit as a whole.
I think you'd love to watch BTS 2020 FESTA, which is a celebration they do every year on the group debut anniversary. If you decide to watch, I believe you will be able to see a little bit of where they came from and especially see more of the relationships between the members, they talked a lot about their feelings, regrets, goals and memories during the 7 years they were together, in addition to how they were feeling about the pandemic The video is almost 1 hour long, but it's really worth it, i think that the relationship between the members and personalities, together with their music is one of the reasons that make them so big
YESSSS All of their festa videos honestly it's just a bunch of content to analyse for communication skills lol aside from the 2021, 2018 with the alcohol involved is also a great one 😂
They are such positive role models in every aspect. It’s why I respect them so absolutely. If you like and respect the whole group, you’re ARMY. Welcome 🤗💜
I believe maturity comes with life experience and not with age. Seokjin is someone who entered the idol industry at the age of 20. He already had a life before joining BTS unlike others. Truly was moved by seokjin's personality when this fight occurred cause never have I seen a man who apologize when he was not at fault at all. This shows his Mature mindset. Seokjin could have been cold and ruthless by arguing but instead he chose to be the bigger person. Circumstances like this shows that he isn't someone to be influenced by false stereotypes and opinions about him. He knows himself very well but also it's sad that people around him take his selfless nature for granted. I really wished someone would comfort him cause being strong doesn't mean they dont have feelings
Yeah, he was 18 when he became a trainee. But he was in college, and had already faced many hurdles and was definitely a stoic person and had an amazing personality. He kind of understood the big picture, which a lot of the other members found hard to relate to at first. But even Jimin said he understood why Jin said the things he said and Jin makes a lot of sense in retrospect when you get more life experience.
I also want to point out that this was in 2017, a very stressful year for them. As they began seriously promoting in the west and attending shows and events never done by any other kpop group before them, they were also being heavily criticized by both kpop fans and the Western music industry. RM has mentioned this as one of their hardest years before, and we can see here that they were under a lot of pressure. You should definitely check out their Artist of the Year acceptance speech from MAMA 2018. They were incredibly honest and vulnerable about how they almost disbanded early 2018. They were experiencing a lot of hardships at that time, and I would not be surprised if the stress from taking on the Western music industry and its prejudices played a part.
One of the things that I think is glossed over from this incident is that Jin directly says that he tries not to hold his age over their heads, but he was feeling disrespected from the way V was talking to him. SInce then, when there have been minor squabbles in the group, when a member starts using banmal towards Jin when getting excited, he will interject and say things like, i know tensions are high, but remember to speak correctly. The one I remember the most is during the Blue Village Run episode. It's great to see that once V knew that it bothered Jin, he's never forgotten.
so another aspect of this has to do with Korean culture and it’s language as a whole first i’ll give age order for the members + birth years Jin / SeokJin - 1992 Suga / YoonGi- 1993 JHope / HoSeok- 1994 RM / NamJoon - 1994 Jimin - 1995 V / TaeHyung - 1995 JungKook - 1997 the aspect of elder respect is very much enforced within the culture and language of Korea, literally sentence structure and words change depending on the amount of respect someone automatically assumes (dependent on their relation to the speaker) for example and younger sibling will not be able to talk to an older sibling in the same manner that the older speaks to the younger, but said manner of speaking (grammatically and the the actual vocab) wouldn’t be spoken to other family members such as grandparents also they tend to “beat around the bush” when speak… this is another form of politeness, they tend to make sentences sound ambiguous, verbose, and indirect, sometimes it can even direct translate to a question for english speakers… what this can means is that when someone is being direct (when they aren’t a foreigner) it can be seen as rude and disrespectful while Taehyung was literally being direct and what would be seen and as the “mature” thing to do in such a situation, when taking into account their culture Jin could be on the defense because in their Language Tae is being “rude” and not respectful… in Korean it could be seen as Taehyung “attacking” Jin instead of critiquing him. + plus all the tension were high since they were in the middle of a concert, in costume change and had 10 min left to get to their positions to get onto stage **sorry this is really hard to word in English
I find the words of hierarchy very fascinating. I have a long way to go to understand it, and thought of it as a great cultural strength and never thought how it could lead to conflict or misunderstanding, thanks for pointing that out for me.
for some wonderful reason, listening to you reacting to BTS feels like a great form of therapy… it is like you’re verbalizing word for word what we see in BTS as an Army if that makes sense..
I just watched their most recent livestream after their trip to the UN a few days ago, and it was very striking how supportive and respectful they are to each other. They also show how much responsibility they feel to be good role models and deliver a good message for the fans and other who see them while still being very real. And they remain humble which is so amazing to me. These boys really just astonish me with their emotional intelligence. Their behavior makes me proud to be an army.
Max, this is precisely why I am Army. These boys, with their multidimensional personalities and their humbleness despite their success is the reason they have such a large and strong following of fans. #bts
It's easy to misunderstand Taehyung, he's just a really honest person. Whatever he feel can be seen easily and even he himself says that he can give his honesty to his fans. He values being honest though sometimes he's easily misunderstood, because of his poker face. Hes actually a sweetheart, hope people can see that.Jin was a big person here for apologizing. I appreciate and love their bond. You can only quarrel with people you are close to.
I don't think calling him a 'baby' is right. He's grown and experienced enough. But yeah, his honesty is often misunderstood. I think for arguing with people like Taehyung, it's important to know him really well to understand why he says something, or else it can be easily taken wrongly. In my opinion, he doesn't really know how his words can affect others, and in the heat of the moment, he ends up saying things that he regrets later. You can see how he clearly thinks like "that wasn't even necessary. why did we even fight". Acting on impulse is what makes him misunderstood, even though his intentions might not be bad.
@@AlexMin_😂 I'm sorry, I guess my baby might have come off wrong,I can see how. I didnt mean his behaviour was that of a baby, but rather my love for him is me babying him. I adore him so i call him a baby a lot. And I agree with whatever you said, not only him but even us we say some stuffs we dont mean to in the heat of the moment. I am in no position to judge his actions, we dont know them personally and I dont want to assume anything. But all I know is that he's an honest person who is misunderstood a lot.
@@maxpbeaumont I think it's definitely the one where they're being the most honest and vulnerable so there would be more to analyze, kind of like this video
That old video is the reason I admire Jin the most,,when he said that he got depressed but Tries being positive to the group,,,wowww I cried😭and the “I have dark sides too”My heart💔😢
It's very important to recognize Jin's status as the eldest. And it's important to recognize that criticism of his dancing possibly strikes where he is most vulnerable. I think Taehyung feels such a bond with Jin and places such importance on a good performance that these 2 previous points slipped from how he approached Jin with what should have been a request or recommendation, rather than something so easily perceived as criticism. At the same time, Taehyung wanted to be taken seriously. Jin's maturity, in the end, is remarkable and worthy of the hyung of the group. This was such a wonderful example of how misunderstandings can be resolved and, ultimately, relationships not only saved but strengthened when these moments of discomfort are faced.
rm and jin appreciation!!! tae is my bias and it broke my heart to see him cry, but rm and jin did so well here. props to them, leader and the hyung at such early ages being so mature. especially jin, he's only a few months older than suga but still takes it to himself to act as the oldest one, he prioritized his brothers over his pride. kudos!!
The reason why Jin probably took it personally when V criticized his performance is that Jin is a bit insecure about his dancing. Jin gets a lot of static about his dancing skills. There's also a cultural age dynamic going on between V and Jin. As the eldest member, Jin "out ranks" the whole team and to apologize to V, a younger member, is a big deal. V is a sincere and honest person and sometimes that can come off abrasive.
Jin has no problem being corrected when it comes to choreography, just the way V approached him. I would feel the same way... but V has never intended it to come off that way... and we both love them, all of them more after this incident...
I really feel for both of them here. Because V is just trying to fix a performance issue by sincerely bringing it up to Jin without making him feel criticized & Jin does feel criticized & goes on the defense. So he feels defeated and poor Jin, who is not a natural dancer, who practices alone in his room for hours after their group practaces, must find it so hard to hear "criticism " about his dancing. But the fact that Jin apologized to his junior and put his hand on Tae's shoulder while apologizing, was very big of him. And Tae was hurt because he didnt feel heard & I think he felt bad for it becoming such a big thing right before starting a concert & he certainly didn't mean to hurt Jin's feelings...it made him feel bad. So of course he cried. But they got through it & their friendship is all the stronger for it! Just another reason to love them.💜
True. For the performance in question. wasn't V a little farther out than normal? I remember watching a video on it...since V was a little farther out than it did take a little longer. I love thst they are able to get passed this and become a stronger bonded group.
Jin is so selfless, he actually didn't mistake in the choreo, but still he is the one who apologized. It was later found out from fancams that v indeed was in the wrong position.
I think this rift was spurred by exhaustion which caused increased sensitivity to their own particular insecurities. For Jin, it's his dancing and V; that ppl don't take him seriously. The way they resolved this was really amazing and I think is the core of why this band is so successful.
To quote Suga - Jin have this obsession of keeping the atmosphere light for the group. He always jokes around thats why the members do forget at times that he is the oldest. All the members are very comfortable to tease Jin all the time as compared to RM. Jin is happy if he makes other people happy. He is such a beautiful soul 💕
Because they are so relatable and we get to see their real selves makes us as armys to connect to them even more....that's why armys are so dedicated and not obsessed...
This is one of the many reasons why I admire the group. Despite their bigger than life status, they remain humble, respectful and understanding individuals. They will draw you in with the choreographies, visuals and music but their personalities, passion, work ethic, how grounded they are and their bond will definitely be the reason you stay hooked and become their supporters. They look out for each other and it makes you want to root for them so much more.
This side of BTS is what really changed my life. Their emotional intelligence and wisdom taught me what I needed, and honestly they continue to teach me.
I think you would really enjoy watching their festa (anniversary) video from 2020. The first half is cooking and decorating, but the second half is essentially team building exercises. They talk about each other's roles in the group, times they appreciated each other, times they hurt/were hurt by each other, etc. All of their festas are great but 2020 was really special because it was their 7 year anniversary.
I taught JK would have been the one to have an issue, but suffering from jet lag, doing that video as soon as they get off the plane.. combined with nerves..
I have the utmost respect for Jin after understanding what they were arguing about. I guess Jin was defensive at first because actually he didn’t make a mistake in the choreo, it was V who made the mistake in the Spring Day performance. Jin even apologised to V. He is truly a selfless man💜
All of the pressures and conflicts they've had and been through are what make them a group with strong bond and dynamic. It's what makes them different that other groups.
wow, that was a great pick!!! i've always wanted to see someone reacting to this video taking it pretty seriously. hope u can do more of this type of format, they have soooo many nice videos for u to watch, i truly like your comments :)
Thank you for being so emotionally observant and unpacking this intricately and articulating this so well. it helps bring some emotional relief to us viewers when watching it, and expresses out how we felt experiencing this moment between them. I hope u eventually become an ARMY soon!
That's because jin usualy has a mental meter about the seriousness of the things.. he uses his 'eldest one' status to the boys when it's needed, and also knows when not to use that by himself And that's exactly what he's doing here by understanding the seriousness but not choosing to play that card..
Max, they are QUITE IMPRESSIVE for being such young men. I’m 62 year old great grandmother and I SEE it so clearly. EVERYTHING IVE seen or learned about them stuns me. Have you seen their UN speech and Permission to Dance performance there? Oh my gosh, my daughter & I were BEAMING WITH PRIDE for them and WITH THEM. I’m over the MOON (our last name, too) for these guys. I’ve NEVER been a FANatic but these young men are CAPTIVATING & MESMERIZING! Our family says we’re OBSESSED…THIS IS TRUE. How can one really DIVE and not be. I love your reactions, sweet young man. My best to you. (Started my dive March 2021). I’d say you’re ARMY!!
I've watched this scene like hundreds of times, but I'm still crying at how strong their bonds are. I am beyond proud, they really looove armys, and that's why i can't leave the fandom even after 7 years. They make me feel special and I've watched almost all their behind the scenes after concert, they always sort out things together. What can they improve for the stages, and sometimes some of them cries cause they've made small mistakes on stage (which made me sad 😢). They wanted to show their best for armys, and thats how the boys love us 💜
V wears his heart on his sleeve. He can’t hide his emotions, when you watch their videos you can often see when his brothers hurt his feelings in some way. It’s there on his face.
So true and probably after this incidents even when he feel left out or being dismissed he just shut his mouth and let it flow but his face shows how disappointed he was.
Think it’s better for him to stick to actual footage of the guys instead of the edits y’know? It gives a much fuller picture of who and how they are, what the situation was. I love edits like that but they do strip away the context of whats going on and I don’t think that that’s what Max is looking for.
BTS's impact in millions is not casual and surpass their creativity and music. In a world where media shows us mainly negative side of humanity with their news, politics, health and more, BTS is the prove that we can do better. They show us that our behavior, self love and respect to others has infinite repercussions and inspire, motivate and create a domino effect that eventually comes back at you, your life and spread around. They were meant to be there in the public eye to show us this is posible. I'm learning so much trough them that I just want to be a good human being like them. A brush of fresh air and hope are these boys for me.
Thanks for reacting to this video!! I really can understand both sides, V not being understood his idea, and Jin being pointed out his weak point. They both analyzed the issue so well, which requires a lot of self-reflect and understanding about their own feelings and others. V and members admitted that he used to be a little selfish/childish (though I'd like to say, he is free-spirit, born artist, or genius), but he has grown emotionally and other members also learned his unique personality over the years. I am eager to see more of your reaction videos!
I watched your first BTS video from two months ago and then this one right after it. The TRANSFORMATION 😂 I’m laughing out loud because that was literally me. It took me about two months to go from “okay, I don’t know if this guy is the leader but he speaks the most English” to “ah, my boy, Jimin!” 😂 Now I know all of their voices etc so well that I never wonder which member is which. It’s crazy to think that since they have so much recorded content of them being “behind the scenes” like this that it’s so easy to feel connected to them after such a short amount of time. I love the respect that you have for them!!!! 💜💜💜 Please continue to do BTS content, it’s so awesome to watch someone break down the facts on why they’re so popular - that on top of the skills they’re just such respectable and admirable guys who are so open with each other and their fans that we *can’t* not understand and care for them.
The part of the choreo that the fight was about was in the bridge. The rest of the group is still and Tae and Jin are having a moment. In the dear class of 2020 performance of this song, spring day, they are sitting down and not dancing. Tae and Jin are sitting next to each other. During that exact part of the song Tae pulls Jin close and their foreheads touch. Those two bonking foreheads seem to be their thing(hello So What). I think Tae was trying to make sure Jin was happy in this moment and not thinking about the fight, even though it was years ago.
There are two thing I noticed as you said in this argument. One being V felt as though he’s not being heard. He’s the second youngest in the group. Other being Jin felt as though he’s attacked, it’s kind of not easy being the eldest. He probably felt like he’s being pushed around cuz he normally just takes it easy without saying anything back. At that time with the pressure to perform well (cuz they pretty much give everything they have for each performance) those suppressed feelings/emotions came out. In a way I’m glad this happened and we got to see it cuz this teaches us that any kind of relationship could have moments like this and it doesn’t have to end badly. You can take sometime and talk about it to solve it. This proved it cuz now Jin and V are in really good terms always encouraging each other, being there for each other. All members are the same. Even Suga who seems distant from emotions (I think it’s a trait he picked from his father) have his own way of being there for the members. Like a small pat on the back or a nod, give something without like looking at that person as if to say don’t care if you take or not but inside he does.
The thing about BTS and the connection with their fans is that it is in fact very genuine, if not 100% then at the very least 80% because it has been 8 years in this industry, 8 years of interaction with fans. Someone who is not genuine and putting on an act is bound to slip up and fans are not dumb creatures, it will be easy to catch them falling down the slope. They can see that these boys are honest and that is why the fanbase is so large and loyal. These men, despite being showered with so much love and standing so high up in the industry, never slack. They never do things half-heartedly, be it their performance or their honesty.
Oh this argument made me emotional because they were being vulnerable and showing their emotions which is something I struggle with so seeing this makes me want to learn how to be vulnerable with the people I care about.
I get so excited every time you upload a new BTS reaction video! Thank you so much for this. I always feel like I learn something new whenever I listen to you talk about effective communication skills!
I love these two men. They are amazing. It kills me to hear Jin when he says that he hides his pain for the benefit of the others. I hope he has someone that he pours that all out to at some point. V loves Jin so much, and seeing how they worked through this conflict is beautiful.
I love watching these videos because you are absolutely picking up on all the things we love about each member. Not only that it reminds me of the joy of getting to know them as a new fan and being amazed at how much they share with Army. I really respect how easily you express your admiration for them.
Wow that really made me emotional. These videos and your reactions have really helped me to open up a little bit more to myself and others and be more in touch with emotional sides of myself which I dont really like. Its okay to be wrong. Its okay to be a little wierd. Thats what connects us to each other end of the day. Our vulnerabilities. Not our perfection. Thank you so much for these max! Truely appreciate your work!
literally everything you're saying about how much emotional intelligence they have and the happiness they bring and how amazing they are is what I'm trying to make clear to people who don't understand why I like BTS. Everyone just makes fun of me because they don't know them, and I've cut off close friends because they kept disrespecting BTS, refusing to get to know them and therefore refusing to understand me. It's really refreshing to see you, someone who's new to BTS, really be able to understand them on a deeper level so quickly. I love your videos! Welcome to the ARMY 💜
I'd love to see more of your analysis and reaction on BTS' chemistry. Cuz I'm sure the bond they have is something different from all the other groups out there. I've known them for 8 years now and I've never seen any other groups as close as them. There's no left out among those seven which is amazing...
They really show me how to be a better human. I'm not good with dealing with my emotions and they are such a good example of healthy emotional intelligence.
Getting more and more impressed with these boys :)
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@@sugasiced-coffee9408 Interesting. I had a feeling there was probably some context that I was missing.
@@sugasiced-coffee9408 I agree! So many times I've watched the guys talk over V or laugh at something he's said and I wonder "how is V feeling right now?" He must get so frustrated.
@@sugasiced-coffee9408 I don't think the older members are being dismissive towards V's opinions. Sometimes it seems like they joke around his unique ideas but they clearly give more attention when he explains something especially in serious situations. I've seen in lot of time when V was being less interactive or quiet they encourage him to speak. Not just for V, they are like that for all members.
Please react to MAMA 2018 artist of the year award speech . You will really like it.
To answer your question about if you’re ARMY yet, that’s really for you to answer. We can tell you if you’re NOT ARMY, that’s easy.
Here’s some questions and thoughts to help you figure it out:
1. Do you really like/love all 7 members? It seems like you personally really like them all & dig their dynamic personalities & how they bond with each other & ARMY. (Note: It’s ok to have a bias (fave) in the group but it’s not ok to exclude/ignore any one of them.)
2. Do you feel a connection to them? Their message? Their vibe? Their brotherhood? Their Music? Their performances?
3. Do they make you happy or feel things you haven’t felt before? Inspiration of some sort? Do you like watching & talking about them? It seems that you do.
4. Do you support them by streaming &/or buying their music &/or official merch? ARMY wants them to have a long career & we happily support our boys dreams as they help us focus on ours. Do you feel like they’re also your boys? Your guys?
5. Do you feel like you’ve gone down a never ending rabbit hole? 😂 You only wanted to know their names but now you want to know everything…?! Hehehe 😜
SUGA's phrase which he said during their resolution: "things like respect. The closer you get, the more you need it" helped me a lot in relationship
When he said that
when did he say thaaat?
@@tarnnum09 When they got together after the concert. It's there in the full video of this
i live by this rule since i heard him say it!!
@@bunnyshajil5781 thanks 🙌
In this incident, Jin is really impressive. In South Korea, respect for seniority is very important. It is impossible to apologize to younger people first, respect him very much.
Facts
AGREE! He is the bigger guy here
Agree! Jin is the most humble, genuine, loving human. I have a lot of love and respect for him 💙🙏💚
I understand that from watching them and some other shows, so I give props to Jin for being so mature and able to put some traditions aside to resolve any issue
@@iyavh1247 There is no bigger guy, they both realized they were partially at fault by not explaining themselves clearly and they got together to talk it through until they understood one another better.
If you actually didn't know, their CEO told them to get together and solve every problem themselves from the very beginning of their career. Even if it's between 2 members they all must gather and solve it themselves. No matter how embarrassing the situation is, they should talk about it. And I think like that they got soo close as they are now.
Aww that’s so wholesome and it definitely did good for them
It's a really good thing because when two people argue they're both so emotionally involved and maybe their pride takes over their logic. So it's good to have the objective yet caring view of the other members. I always ask my best friend for counsel when I have arguments with family or friends because she's objective and she cares about me so she can tell me honestly if I messed up or if I was wronged.
Well the dumpling situation was embarrassing..
That was incredibly smart of him. Groups need to really resolve things and be honestly close when they are together as much as kpop groups are. It’s definitely one of the reasons they have lasted so long and will probably last many more years
@@myheartwillstopinjoy8142 I also think it's a good way to prevent cliques/subgroups from happening. I have been in way too many friend groups where people start picking sides because they only heard one perspective and it eventually breaks up the entire group.
It was really nice to see how they dealt with the conflict in a calm and civil manner. Namjoon was right, it affects the whole team so they should all be involved in the process of solving whatever it is. They're truly amazing, it's no wonder their bond is so strong
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V's facial expressions tend to get people to misunderstand him. He did say it is one of his worries. When he smiles, he looks very approachable, but when he's expressionless, sometimes, even as a fan, he looks like he's planning murder. But he is a softie on the inside. At least, from what can be seen on camera. He actually cries the most too. Also, he is one of the members who changed the most since debut. Not in a bad way. In the older days, you'll be surprised to see Tae when he was in his teens or his very early twenties, because he was an absolute goofball. He used to joke around all the time, he was still very "weird" and the members called him "alien" in terms of his thinking, but he was so funny. He played pranks all the time. And at one point, he started changing. It might be due to a lot of things. I mean, BTS got a lot of hate, death threats, and it probably would have been very upsetting for a teen to hear those words. And then his grandparents passed away whom he thought of as his parents, and then he lost another friend to suicide. I think this was when he really started to change. He's still very sweet and smiles a lot and laughs a lot, but he definitely changed quite a bit.
you summed it all up perfectly! I hate when people phrase tae's change as something negative, that there's something "wrong" with him because of how different he is now, compared to before. I think we as fans should stop dissecting him and instead just let him continue to grow into the person he is now, and the person he is going to be. he was amazing then, and he is equally as amazing now! though he's definitely quite the character, I'll say. out of all 7 of the members, whom I'd label as clay made into for instance vases of different colours, shapes, and sizes, to me, taehyung is the only one who seems to embody clay that has not yet hardened, clay that is still possible to mold. he's like a puzzle sometimes man I love it
he doesn't cry the most that's Jungkook. Also the members never called him an alien that was bights subtitles.
The friend that does from suicide. Was that that member of SHINee that passed away?
@@priscilahurtado9980 no
Yeah you're right. Also the whole "vibe check joke" About taehyung is also so annoying. It gives a wrong idea about his personality
I love that their founder and CEO bang PD told/ taught them that no matter how embarrassing or small the conflict is, they come together and resolve it as a group. It's creates a stronger synergy with the boys - which results in not a group but a family.
Suga says they don't argue anymore really cuz they know how to resolve conflict and know each other incredibly well.
I was just going to comment this. I think more groups would still be around or at least closer if they were encouraged to work out issue and not push it down to avoid conflict. The issues are still there but now the damage is worst because no one feels heard.
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I so agree!
@@singularity553 that's true
I think probably the reason, Taehyung (V) got a little tense with Jin is that he felt he wasn't being heard or taken seriously and like Jin said, his pride got hurt from being criticized. After this fight, it's so sweet to see how much they truly listened to each other because I can see at moments when they both recognize what the other might be feeling. In certain instances, you can see if Taehyung hasn't spoken or someone talks over him, Jin tends to try to get the attention on Taehyung so he can finally speak. Then with Jin, when he tends to get self deprecating or insecure about something, Taehyung is the first to compliment Jin or tell him he did great.
This
Yes, it hurts more when you know Tae said "Jin Hyung is my favourite Hyung." And how much they care for each other......!!!!! Tae has always been the FIRST to defend Jin from himself when he used to downgrade himself!!!! And Jin has always been there for Tae. But that just made their friendship so much stronger!!!! So now it's all good !!!💜
True.
their relationship was always like that tho, its not just after the argument :) jin always pay attention to make sure V talk and V always make sure to not let jin look down on himself
This is so true
This confrontation makes me very sad, but it made their friendship grow stronger. Everything has its purpose, thanks for the analysis
Oh why sad. That’s just life. We all have situations like this. I’m just filled with pride at seeing how they deal with it. It shows their growth and maturity
They have prob another thousand of fights that arent filmed, and its normal, its life. But ofc its sad to see how sad they feel and at the same time its so cool to see them solving it.
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I don’t think it’s sad tbh
that's just how it is and to me it was not really a confrontation but just talking but both ended up upset.
Few years later, we got to know that jin was objectively correct in his stance, he was really placed really far away & ran as fast as he could. Inspite of being correct, he chose to apologize first to end the fight & on top of that shared his vulnerable side, speaks volumes of jin's character, maturity & his role in keeping the group together. His EQ & selflessness is unmatched
Where did they say? Am just curious
Really ?
Their is no such thing as 'objectively correct' in this case, hun.
I still think V was in the wrong and no one can change my mind.
yeah tae was definitely in the wrong. everyone makes mistakes so idk why some people find it ~so offensive~ to notice that he was wrong. they resolved the issue & chose to share the moment with us, knowing we would talk about it. it doesnt hurt tae in any way to recognize that jin could not change pace without messing up his sense of rhythm & thus tae was objectively wrong. he is still an amazing person, a sweetheart, a good friend. but he is human & no human is infallible. bts never claimed to be perfect & army should love them for who they really are, not for some idealized fantasy shadow of them.
Seokjin says “Pride is good for nothing” likewise we can see how he took the initiative to apologize even when there was no mistake from his side. It only shows his selfless nature. People say maybe it was because he is the oldest but honestly by seokjin's actions one can easily know he was raised in a good family. The way he maintained his composure till the problem was solved amazes me. He truly has strong mentality and is secure of his abilities that he was able pull himself together even when no one comforted him. He is someone who doesn't seek validation. I love this most precious selfless human.
He's so wise and special
I agree with you but one thing I will disagree with is when you said Jin made “no mistake from his side.”
I think what he should have been a bit more cautious about is when he told Tae that it wasn’t a big deal. Everyone feels differently about different situations. That was probably the part that hurt Tae the most because he really took it seriously. He must have felt that Jin was disregarding his feelings.
I personally feel like that was a mistake. But opinions differ.
@@rhens8088 yeah there wasn't any mistakes from him its true tho
@@rhens8088 i get what you’re saying but no matter what especially in places like Korea that value respect very very highly, taes approach to confronting the matter was a bit condenscending, because people are saying Jin didn’t take tae seriously when I have watched this video countless of times and I can’t see where Jin cracked a smile even once, he was being very serious all through. Tae made his point Jin politely told him I cannot do anything faster than I have already done, it’s almost too late? Jin was polite and cordial throughout cus he had hindsight of what could eventually blow up to be a big issue( which it did) so he was just trying to avoid it. I agree he did it in a way that seemed dismissive but his points were very valid and it saddens me to see people talk like he should have known better
@@rhens8088 the problem in that is also that Jin said he was trying his best multiple times but he wasn’t taken seriously, even dismissed. Although It didn’t seem like he joked about it at all. In my opinion. And then them just assuming he was at fault here for “messing” up the choreo and not considering the possibility that it could have been tae, which it was, because tae went way too far as seen in the footage of that concert day. So jin didn’t even “mess” up.
I remember when TXT asked why they (BTS members) are close to each other, Suga said "You have to have many arguments". Lol, so true.
Jin and V are literally each other's biggest supporters, which I love about their bond. Some of my favourite moments were when V was skipped over in interviews but Jin brought back attention to him and my personal fav is the pancake/jeon flipping moment in Soop season 1. And of course, V vehemently supporting Jin and trying to bring him out of his insecurities. 💜 These two... ugh🥰
exactly! perfectly said
@@raghad_1789 tf? Jin always supports all of them. Sun flower isnt even a song. Also Jin always takes care of them specially taehyung. You clearly dont know shit
@@raghad_1789 looks like you're new to the fandom, cry on
@@raghad_1789 If you REALLY think that Jin doesn't support V, then you're either not really a true ARMY or you're probably new to the fandom. There are many videos of them on youtube showing their bond and support, please watch them. Rather, their bond is so strong that they were the first OG ship in BTS
@@raghad_1789 he didnt say he doesnt like it, he said he doesnt like the vibe of song for christmas. his fave song on be literally was blue and gray. go watch some taejin videos.
When you said “Jin, the oldest member of the most famous pop band in the world”
I genuinely felt the weight of the sentence
Jin saying his pride was speaking gave me a new found respect for that man. I love a self aware man.
I have the utmost respect to Jin. Even if he's not at fault, he apologized because he's the older one. He may seems always joking but deep inside we don't know how he is. As they said, he's different off and on cam. I hope this fandom stop the stereotypes about him.
@@cloverthv no, jin wasnt at fault. He was doing his best
In their culture, Tae was at fault.
I remember an incident in their rookie days where they were interviewed and Jimin made a joke mocking Jin. Everyone, especially Suga, told him to apologize to Jin for talking like that to someone older than him, right in front of everyone, including the host 😆 and Jimin looked very awkward and embarrassed and immediately apologized, saying something along the lines, ‘sorry hyung. It was just a joke. Please forgive me.’
@@cloverthv I definitely felt like V was at fault for starting this talk and very specifically pointing out this issue when Jin wasn't at fault with the choreo. This was choreo they had already performed and Jin danced to it perfectly, and that's why he pushed back. And in the footage Jin wasn't joking at all, he was fighting back saying he didn't think he did badly like V was claiming. There was probably footage in the middle where Jin tried to diffuse the situation with a joke, which he always tries to do to get rid of tension, but V was already so upset and got more upset that Jin would joke at a time like that. Jin has said that sometime he tries to joke to make the mood lighter but then people misunderstand and he can make people feel worse which was not his intention. It was only at the end of the clip, and in later interviews, that the members brought up Jin joking. V mentions Jin joking and making him feel like he didn't take what V was saying seriously, but this was not at the start of their argument and the 'joking' wasn't something that was ever shown on screen. We never saw Jin joking or taking what V said lightly. We did see him arguing back though and fighting for what he thought was right. It was also so mature of Jin to apologize and you could tell he was really trying his best to correct the argument at this point so it wouldn't get bigger and continue to affect the concert. It looked like he was trying to throw everything at that situation to make it better because I think he realized at that point arguing with V was not worth it. He saw the bigger picture and decided to apologize. What I took from this was definitely that Jin was trying to push back on what he thought was unfair criticism and V getting upset that he was not listening to him at all, and when the argument blew up I don't think V was in a good place to be able to sort out his emotions which is something we can all sympathize with when we feel so overwhelmed and we don't feel good but can't get out of that mindset. Plus everyone was feeling stressed before the concert, this was all within 30 minutes of the start of the concert, so Jin was probably stressed too?!, especially since we know how insecure he is about his dancing. And we know since then V has always been his biggest champion for Jin's dancing. So both of the boys were very tense and just trying to point out what they thought was correct and wanted to be heard and taken seriously. It was actually more shocking to me that it happened so close to the beginning of the concert. Must have been tense for the whole band, and even the staff there.
@@endxofxeternity I feel that Jin only apologized about making a “joke” to use it as a medium- in order to apologize. If he did make a joke, Tae would absolutely have expressed that as a major reason as to “why” he’d get upset. Tae didn’t mention anything about this at all, instead his issue was on Jin saying “but I’m doing my best” repeatedly. So in my POV, Jin just said this as a quick go-to in order to apologize. His skills are his skills. It was “minutes” before the concert, that’s probably why he kept saying “I’m doing my best..” Jin’s apology for making a joke, for me, was a way of masking his insecurity which I feel was tapped by Tae’s insisting he adjust his learned move on the spot. It was giving him extra pressure on top of the actual pressure. Just in my opinion, I commend Jin (who’s the Hyung) taking the high road so to speak and apologizing, I feel it would have been better if Tae also apologized for whatever he caused his Jin Hyung and the group, for whatever it’s worth..but then again, I’m proud of all of them, and this brotherhood wouldn’t have grown to what it is now, if they didn’t go through these real life “roller coasters.”
@@cloverthv don't try to talk to them, I'm sure they're solo stans cause the comment sections if full of them. It's just so funny how they got a conclusion from a edited video that Jin is the best of the best and that Tae is so bad and childish, as if this people lived with bts 24/7
Jin is really such a mature person, he apologised first and put his pride aside even tho it was not his fault. His pride was not hurt because he is the oldest and tae tried to correct him, he felt bad because it was clearly not his mistake, in the actual performance video, tae went further than usual on his spot which is why it took Jin longer to reach even tho he ran really fast but despite defending himself and making it clear that he ran as fast as he could tae didn’t understand because his pride hurt for not been taken seriously. The fact that Jin apologised despite all that showcased how mature and professional he is !
Yeah, but Jin himself also said that him being older also plays a part in why he was offended. And there's nothing wrong with that, because at least he's self aware. Don't speak over him and say your own thoughts when Jin himself already admitted it.
This particular footage taught me a lot about how to face my own pride and own up to my mistake. They truly are something else, with their sincerity and honesty, they showing people, the fans that "hey, we're human too." coz a lot of times many idols are portrayed to be this "Perfect Figure", I can never relate to that. But BTS, man, they truly are amazing people, coz I learned soo much not only through their music but their contents like this one too.
Thank you for reacting to this, this video always get me emotional whenever watching it >
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I honestly think the amount of authenticity and imperfection they share is one of the reasons they're so much more globally popular than other idol groups. Like, I can't imagine some of the other labels letting us see the messy side of the performers the way BigHit has.
@@meghall337 truee! That way could show the fans that we could relate to them in many aspects since we're all human to begin with. Not saying other idols aren't human. But BTS don't put up too much effort being someone they not. They're not afraid to speak up even against their company if sth doesn't sit right with them, & great thing is that the company listen. So it's a great mutual respect between BTS members & BTS - Bighit that allows us to see the transparency or the rawness of themselves. It also shows in their music/arts. They talk about things other musicians rarely do. The real things in life. Not just love but vulnerability too & many more.
I stan the right people & am proud 💜
@@himaririku9254 hmm?? Yeah sure, GD is a king & so are BTS. They are great musicians i listen too 👍🏻
@@himaririku9254 no one ask
When Jin told about his pride as a elder person, I can understand that. Jin always makes jokes and he is funny. That's how most people know him but this isn't his real side. Jin himself gets depressed very often. You can know that from his self-produced songs like Tonight and Abyss. But he hides that side. He doesn't want people feel sad because of him. So, he is cheerful and extroverted only in front of camera. He admitted that too once in his interview. Early years of their debut, Jin was a very quiet member just like Suga. Even members said that. He becomes funny and cheerful after their Fire comeback in 2016. He said he changed because of members and ARMYs. Although his family is rich, he had to face so many problems cuz people tell he had no skill. RM said that they once made fun of him cuz he looked awkward back then. People think he is really confident. Yes, he is but not in every aspect. He isn't confident about his dancing and singing although he's great. That's why he wrote and sings the song " Abyss " to express his real feelings through his music. He said he wants people to listen his songs but at the same time he doesn't want them to listen to them cuz his songs are sad and emotional. Jin is described as a K-pop idol who cares about mental health and emotional stuff the most in whole K-pop industry. His songs help people to love themselves and not to worry to express our pain. If you want to know about him more, please react to " Kim SeokJin : A documentary ". Thanks for reacting and analyzing about BTS.
So true. It's more meaningful when someone so bright and stoic comes out to talk about their mental health and struggles in a very level headed way. Like these are issues that affect all of us and it's okay to be going through things. And he encourages us to speak up if we're struggling.
You definitely have RM as your bias and nothing will change my mind 😂
Hahaha
@@maxpbeaumont I'd argue RM and Jimin. quote:
"jimin! jimin! my boy! i love jimin! ... jimin's the man!" 😂
He definitely likes Jin too. As a person and leader and a personality. Talks about his quite vocally in every video, right from the start. I would have said Suga and Jin were his bias.
Actually, for people who doesn't know, in Spring day practice Tae was sitting down a lil bit further than in his usual spot, then Jin needed more time to reach out to him before the music change (there is a video when Hobi analyzing their movement on the stage to see what actually happened). So, the fact that Jin is the one who apologized is really a big thing, considering his pride as the oldest. But i'm really glad that after this happened, their bond are stronger. They really love each other more. That's what matters.
This 👌, yes it was later known that Jin did infact try to get there as fast as he could but the formation was so spread that it was impossible for him to reach his next spot fast enough :3, and still apologize for getting defensive, he is such a kind soul
Yes, Jin is very good at knowing his position in the formation. However, he does not like to see anyone unhappy, so he must have seen the hurt on Vs face after the dispute which led him to apologize. It didn't matter who is in the wrong, what matters is mending the hurt feelings and learning from them. I remember Jin saying in an interview there are some people you can do certain jokes with and some you can not (because of having a different mindset). We get to know how sensitive V is if he feels his opinion is not being taken seriously from this clip.
Yeah. Bwhahahaha.
And what did come up from Hobi analysis? I hope Tae was informed, so next time he will be more careful when bringing this things up or when disregarding the other person, whom is repeatedly telling him that he did his bests, specially when that person is not as good as him on a certain matter. In any case im glad they sorted out the issue, the level of emotional intelligence this guys have is amazing.
@@OrualMuse lol calm yourself, you sound so offended for some reason. This incident happened years ago and the boys, all of them, learn from their past and problems, if not then they wouldn't be together until now.
Wow! I still have to watch the video but I have to say this is an amazing pick!
This is the first and only - in their 8 year long career - serious fight in front of cameras, which says a lot because they are always being filmed. But hey that doesn't meand they just don't fight. The members are like family to each other, but even families fight! We are all humans after all.
BTS shared on multiple ocassions that they used to fight more before they debuted (2013) because they were all young, didn't understand each other and didn't know how to relieve stress, but now that rarely happens.
They and their CEO also shared that their method to solve fights is to sit down and talk about it as a group even if only a few members are involved. The CEO encouraged this method and also told them it's okay to have fights, that real conflict occurs when fights don't happen.
Just sharing this info :) i have been loving your BTS content so far! Thank you for your hard work 💜
Thanks for the comment! I hope you enjoy the video!
btw~ when Jin mentioned "i am older so it hurt my pride" or something like that.. In Korea, age plays a big role in the hierarchy of respect. Older people have more authority & 'power', but as BTS is such a family now, the older members have given the younger ones permission to sometimes break the boundaries of the age thing which is sweet & shows how close they really are!
"It makes us feel good knowing that others are going through the same things as we are."
I totally agree, it actually reminds me of some lyrics wrote by RM in his song that's called Moonchild. He said: "Somebody will be consoled by looking at your thorns for sure. We are eachothers nightscape, eachothers moon" such a beautiful and comforting idea.
RM is a genius lyricist
I think JIN is very mature despite he always shows him as a funny guy, I love BTS!
these two are so close now and their bond is really amazing 🥺
Love to hear that :)
they are my ultimate brother ship actually, cz both of them really are supportive to each other. Tae will be the first one to defend Jin whenever he feel down and vice versa. I remember when Jin said that he can't dance well in MOTS comeback i think and Tae is the first one to argue that, and when Tae feel down because the member said he shouldn't flip tha Pajeon (In the soop), but Jin is the first one to support him.
sorry ion speak english well
@@liafadhilahs yess same, and your english is amazing :)
@@liafadhilahs taejin is my otp too :)
Usually with BTS whenever a member is crying or upset or sad you see Jimin right beside them
If you want to see even more emotions from them I'd recommend checking out the MAMA 2018 speech with English subs. Here they talk about almost disbanding that year while accepting an award, and they are all affected but particularly Taehyung gets emotional
Yes, I agree with you. Maybe he can start reacting to all their AWARDS SPEECH and ALBUM PRESS CONFERENCES.
GDA award show 2019 (Album of the year) th-cam.com/video/NVmm_-QNkV0/w-d-xo.html - I personally love this speech here.
MAMA 2018 - th-cam.com/video/vVs710bHkNA/w-d-xo.html
Variety Hitmakers - Group of the year - th-cam.com/video/bQeqsS6VEDI/w-d-xo.html
RM compilation speech award 2019. th-cam.com/video/lu1jIaDLjhI/w-d-xo.html
One thing that you can be sure when listening to BTS speech especially RM, the content of the speech didnt stay same..it is always hit differently...sometimes they mentioned person who really close to them or someone who respected by their nation, talk about their past story, talked about their difficulties and so on. That is why ARMY love to listen to their speech.
Actually there is so much I wanna share with you...hahaha...
Oh shit yeah!
Yes!
yes he should react to that!
Yes please!
The bond these 7 men have managed to cultivate with one another is crazy, they're all so close.
Every dynamic in this group is just as precious as the last
true
I absolutelly adore the way Yoongi is speaking about serious stuff. So calm, rational and at the same time it feels like his words are deeply thought through. This man...
In V's voice:'Why are you shaking my heart'
Suga never cease to shake my heart
My respect for JIN is on HIGHEST LEVEL !!
It’s amazing to see that even with small fights all the other members are neutral and at the same time supporting…good communication right there✨
Okay Max the way you light up when you talk about the guys, you’re most definitely on your way to becoming an ARMY 😁💜
The fact that Jin really heard Taehyung and apologised was amazing. In Korean culture usually the oldest ( hyung) doesnt tend to do that, most of the time younger bros always make the compromise. Love that Jin has no pride.
I'm 47 and exactly this scene got me into BTS years ago. I was so impressed by their mature way of having an argument. And then I found out that they're making good, meaningful music too 😆
This video is one of the reasons Jin is my fave. You said "Jin doesn't seem to take things seriously" just because he jokes around in content and interviews doesn't mean he's not serious about their JOB. He is extremely serious about performing singing and dancing.
He was not in the wrong but he apologized first. The way he maintained his composure is impressive. especially right before a concert.. Also being the oldest is a Huge thing in korea. and taehyung put him on the spot in front of everyone, not just their team but the cameramen etc.
I wish you would watch Jin's speeches about disbandment and chart manipulation or read his interviews(weverse 2021 is a good one.)
This exactly. The respect thing is always underappreciated among I-army as it's not a thing in the western world. But it'd be like if your father apologized to you for something he didn't really do. As an Asian it's not something you see. It was big of Jin to admit it and reach out to V to mitigate the situation. He's always so stoic even though he jokes. He takes his job as an entertainer seriously and is always trying to diffuse the tension in the air so when it got directed at him in such a situation I completely understand where he is coming from. And Jin is known as someone who will stand up for himself and his people if he feels he is being unjustly attacked. I think the joking part happened later because Jin was trying to diffuse the situation but then V took it even worse that Jin would joke at a time like this when he was already upset. And so Jin apologized for joking. But at the start V was definitely going at him and I can't imagine any scenario where Jin would just bow his head and accept that when he knew he didn't do anything wrong.
@@endxofxeternity what at the beginning are you alking about?? are you refering to an EDITED video?? cause there's no way to know when did it start. It's so funny cause you all talk aboutbts as if you lived 24/7 with them
7:32 I’ve noticed that Taehyung is a very very emotional person but tends to hold it in until he bursts. He’s talked about this before too, that he tends to not talk to others about his emotional issues.
yes I've also noticed the same thing in so many videos like their ending speeches in concert Taehyung always try to not to show his emotion
Yes. Blue and Gray was supposed to be his personal mixtape song but he was asked to include it on the last album where the other members got to express their sadness, too. I feel like it was important for V's emotional state to be acknowledged as both shared by and inspiring to the others - as well as to all the rest of us.
Interpersonal Relationships bring this out in me, especially Housemates
Taehyung is the reason I found BTS. I saw him in a kdrama and wanted to know his name. This video came up when I googled him and was the first BTS video I ever watched. This exchange is what made me fall for BTS. I hadn’t even heard a song yet when I watched this. I’m a dancer in a group of five females and I understand the pressure of wanting to get it right and at times becoming emotional. I remember watching this and thinking OMG these are 7 men who sat down and had an open and honest discussion after 2 had a disagreement. The respect for boundaries and for each other and their emotional intelligence was so refreshing to watch and something I crave from my ALL my relationship. There was no yelling and no toxic masculinity like I’m used to seeing in arguments between men. To me it seemed like more of a discussion between two brothers that that dealt with before they went to sleep. Now knowing this was something BangPD required of them instead of letting them bury their issues made me respect BigHit as a whole.
Jin is a perfectionist and he was totally right
I think you'd love to watch BTS 2020 FESTA, which is a celebration they do every year on the group debut anniversary. If you decide to watch, I believe you will be able to see a little bit of where they came from and especially see more of the relationships between the members, they talked a lot about their feelings, regrets, goals and memories during the 7 years they were together, in addition to how they were feeling about the pandemic
The video is almost 1 hour long, but it's really worth it, i think that the relationship between the members and personalities, together with their music is one of the reasons that make them so big
link: th-cam.com/video/t9zPnWQIiuw/w-d-xo.html
YESSSS All of their festa videos honestly it's just a bunch of content to analyse for communication skills lol aside from the 2021, 2018 with the alcohol involved is also a great one 😂
They are such positive role models in every aspect. It’s why I respect them so absolutely. If you like and respect the whole group, you’re ARMY. Welcome 🤗💜
True..
I believe maturity comes with life experience and not with age. Seokjin is someone who entered the idol industry at the age of 20. He already had a life before joining BTS unlike others. Truly was moved by seokjin's personality when this fight occurred cause never have I seen a man who apologize when he was not at fault at all. This shows his Mature mindset. Seokjin could have been cold and ruthless by arguing but instead he chose to be the bigger person. Circumstances like this shows that he isn't someone to be influenced by false stereotypes and opinions about him. He knows himself very well but also it's sad that people around him take his selfless nature for granted.
I really wished someone would comfort him cause being strong doesn't mean they dont have feelings
Yeah, he was 18 when he became a trainee. But he was in college, and had already faced many hurdles and was definitely a stoic person and had an amazing personality. He kind of understood the big picture, which a lot of the other members found hard to relate to at first. But even Jimin said he understood why Jin said the things he said and Jin makes a lot of sense in retrospect when you get more life experience.
I also want to point out that this was in 2017, a very stressful year for them. As they began seriously promoting in the west and attending shows and events never done by any other kpop group before them, they were also being heavily criticized by both kpop fans and the Western music industry. RM has mentioned this as one of their hardest years before, and we can see here that they were under a lot of pressure. You should definitely check out their Artist of the Year acceptance speech from MAMA 2018. They were incredibly honest and vulnerable about how they almost disbanded early 2018. They were experiencing a lot of hardships at that time, and I would not be surprised if the stress from taking on the Western music industry and its prejudices played a part.
jin is really expressive when he talks in general not only when he is angry
One of the things that I think is glossed over from this incident is that Jin directly says that he tries not to hold his age over their heads, but he was feeling disrespected from the way V was talking to him. SInce then, when there have been minor squabbles in the group, when a member starts using banmal towards Jin when getting excited, he will interject and say things like, i know tensions are high, but remember to speak correctly. The one I remember the most is during the Blue Village Run episode. It's great to see that once V knew that it bothered Jin, he's never forgotten.
Ahhh, the Blue Village. 😔
Right, those nuances in Korean dont translate.well
so another aspect of this has to do with Korean culture and it’s language as a whole
first i’ll give age order for the members + birth years
Jin / SeokJin - 1992
Suga / YoonGi- 1993
JHope / HoSeok- 1994
RM / NamJoon - 1994
Jimin - 1995
V / TaeHyung - 1995
JungKook - 1997
the aspect of elder respect is very much enforced within the culture and language of Korea, literally sentence structure and words change depending on the amount of respect someone automatically assumes (dependent on their relation to the speaker)
for example and younger sibling will not be able to talk to an older sibling in the same manner that the older speaks to the younger, but said manner of speaking (grammatically and the the actual vocab) wouldn’t be spoken to other family members such as grandparents
also they tend to “beat around the bush” when speak… this is another form of politeness, they tend to make sentences sound ambiguous, verbose, and indirect, sometimes it can even direct translate to a question for english speakers… what this can means is that when someone is being direct (when they aren’t a foreigner) it can be seen as rude and disrespectful
while Taehyung was literally being direct and what would be seen and as the “mature” thing to do in such a situation, when taking into account their culture Jin could be on the defense because in their Language Tae is being “rude” and not respectful… in Korean it could be seen as Taehyung “attacking” Jin instead of critiquing him.
+ plus all the tension were high since they were in the middle of a concert, in costume change and had 10 min left to get to their positions to get onto stage
**sorry this is really hard to word in English
I find the words of hierarchy very fascinating. I have a long way to go to understand it, and thought of it as a great cultural strength and never thought how it could lead to conflict or misunderstanding, thanks for pointing that out for me.
for some wonderful reason, listening to you reacting to BTS feels like a great form of therapy… it is like you’re verbalizing word for word what we see in BTS as an Army if that makes sense..
I just watched their most recent livestream after their trip to the UN a few days ago, and it was very striking how supportive and respectful they are to each other. They also show how much responsibility they feel to be good role models and deliver a good message for the fans and other who see them while still being very real. And they remain humble which is so amazing to me. These boys really just astonish me with their emotional intelligence. Their behavior makes me proud to be an army.
Me too 💜
Max, this is precisely why I am Army. These boys, with their multidimensional personalities and their humbleness despite their success is the reason they have such a large and strong following of fans. #bts
It's easy to misunderstand Taehyung, he's just a really honest person. Whatever he feel can be seen easily and even he himself says that he can give his honesty to his fans. He values being honest though sometimes he's easily misunderstood, because of his poker face. Hes actually a sweetheart, hope people can see that.Jin was a big person here for apologizing. I appreciate and love their bond. You can only quarrel with people you are close to.
I think he also doesn't know how to explain himself, how or what he's feeling, that's why there were a misunderstanding
I don't think calling him a 'baby' is right. He's grown and experienced enough. But yeah, his honesty is often misunderstood. I think for arguing with people like Taehyung, it's important to know him really well to understand why he says something, or else it can be easily taken wrongly. In my opinion, he doesn't really know how his words can affect others, and in the heat of the moment, he ends up saying things that he regrets later. You can see how he clearly thinks like "that wasn't even necessary. why did we even fight". Acting on impulse is what makes him misunderstood, even though his intentions might not be bad.
@@AlexMin_😂 I'm sorry, I guess my baby might have come off wrong,I can see how. I didnt mean his behaviour was that of a baby, but rather my love for him is me babying him. I adore him so i call him a baby a lot. And I agree with whatever you said, not only him but even us we say some stuffs we dont mean to in the heat of the moment. I am in no position to judge his actions, we dont know them personally and I dont want to assume anything. But all I know is that he's an honest person who is misunderstood a lot.
@@shiwakim2204 did I come off as aggressive? I'm sorry if I did, it's kind of a habit of mine to say whatever I want 😭
This thread is so wholesome 💜💜💜
The way he speaks about BTS with such appreciation for their emotional intelligence... yeah, Max is ARMY.
you should totally do the FESTA 2018 dinner for your next BTS video
Is the 2018 FESTA the best year to react to?
@@maxpbeaumont I think it's definitely the one where they're being the most honest and vulnerable so there would be more to analyze, kind of like this video
@@maxpbeaumont yes 2018 festa is one of the more candid sit downs they did (maybe because they were drinking a bit lol)!
@@teapot126 nice. Appreciate the suggestion
@@maxpbeaumont yes! They were drinking 🤣🤣 and they share alot of behind the scenes stories. It was fave festa too 😍
That old video is the reason I admire Jin the most,,when he said that he got depressed but Tries being positive to the group,,,wowww I cried😭and the “I have dark sides too”My heart💔😢
It's very important to recognize Jin's status as the eldest. And it's important to recognize that criticism of his dancing possibly strikes where he is most vulnerable. I think Taehyung feels such a bond with Jin and places such importance on a good performance that these 2 previous points slipped from how he approached Jin with what should have been a request or recommendation, rather than something so easily perceived as criticism. At the same time, Taehyung wanted to be taken seriously. Jin's maturity, in the end, is remarkable and worthy of the hyung of the group. This was such a wonderful example of how misunderstandings can be resolved and, ultimately, relationships not only saved but strengthened when these moments of discomfort are faced.
rm and jin appreciation!!! tae is my bias and it broke my heart to see him cry, but rm and jin did so well here. props to them, leader and the hyung at such early ages being so mature. especially jin, he's only a few months older than suga but still takes it to himself to act as the oldest one, he prioritized his brothers over his pride. kudos!!
The reason why Jin probably took it personally when V criticized his performance is that Jin is a bit insecure about his dancing. Jin gets a lot of static about his dancing skills. There's also a cultural age dynamic going on between V and Jin. As the eldest member, Jin "out ranks" the whole team and to apologize to V, a younger member, is a big deal. V is a sincere and honest person and sometimes that can come off abrasive.
and let me add another reason was cuz jin really wasnt at the wrong, he did ran as fast as he could
Yeah I get it.
Jin has no problem being corrected when it comes to choreography, just the way V approached him. I would feel the same way... but V has never intended it to come off that way... and we both love them, all of them more after this incident...
I really feel for both of them here. Because V is just trying to fix a performance issue by sincerely bringing it up to Jin without making him feel criticized & Jin does feel criticized & goes on the defense. So he feels defeated and poor Jin, who is not a natural dancer, who practices alone in his room for hours after their group practaces, must find it so hard to hear "criticism " about his dancing.
But the fact that Jin apologized to his junior and put his hand on Tae's shoulder while apologizing, was very big of him. And Tae was hurt because he didnt feel heard & I think he felt bad for it becoming such a big thing right before starting a concert & he certainly didn't mean to hurt Jin's feelings...it made him feel bad. So of course he cried. But they got through it & their friendship is all the stronger for it!
Just another reason to love them.💜
True. For the performance in question. wasn't V a little farther out than normal? I remember watching a video on it...since V was a little farther out than it did take a little longer. I love thst they are able to get passed this and become a stronger bonded group.
Jin is so selfless, he actually didn't mistake in the choreo, but still he is the one who apologized.
It was later found out from fancams that v indeed was in the wrong position.
really? can i drop the link of fancam pls
I rarely see jin make mistake in choreos but always point at him that make mistakes
@@jj.cosmos510 th-cam.com/video/NUvdWpp20SA/w-d-xo.html here you go, hope it helps
Yes I saw that. Tae moved a little bit too far than the original.
My respect for Jin went🛫 after this fight
I think this rift was spurred by exhaustion which caused increased sensitivity to their own particular insecurities. For Jin, it's his dancing and V; that ppl don't take him seriously. The way they resolved this was really amazing and I think is the core of why this band is so successful.
THIS
Whenever i see bts i always think HEALTHY
jimins emotional intelligence is so so beautiful to see, he’s so understanding and i can’t wait for you to see more of him! 💕💕
It's a rule BTS has made for themselves it's okay to fight as long as they solve any fights or arguments within 24 hours
To quote Suga - Jin have this obsession of keeping the atmosphere light for the group. He always jokes around thats why the members do forget at times that he is the oldest. All the members are very comfortable to tease Jin all the time as compared to RM. Jin is happy if he makes other people happy. He is such a beautiful soul 💕
Because they are so relatable and we get to see their real selves makes us as armys to connect to them even more....that's why armys are so dedicated and not obsessed...
This is one of the many reasons why I admire the group. Despite their bigger than life status, they remain humble, respectful and understanding individuals. They will draw you in with the choreographies, visuals and music but their personalities, passion, work ethic, how grounded they are and their bond will definitely be the reason you stay hooked and become their supporters. They look out for each other and it makes you want to root for them so much more.
Yeah, Jin is always very passionate when feeling strong emotions, his facial expressions seem almost exaggerated but that's just how he is
Love them all! But THIS is one of the maaany reasons why Jin is my ultimate bias. What a gem.
This side of BTS is what really changed my life. Their emotional intelligence and wisdom taught me what I needed, and honestly they continue to teach me.
I think you would really enjoy watching their festa (anniversary) video from 2020. The first half is cooking and decorating, but the second half is essentially team building exercises. They talk about each other's roles in the group, times they appreciated each other, times they hurt/were hurt by each other, etc. All of their festas are great but 2020 was really special because it was their 7 year anniversary.
You should now react to BTS UN speech that they did few days ago. Boys was really nervous and overcame the moment very well. Especially jimin.
I taught JK would have been the one to have an issue, but suffering from jet lag, doing that video as soon as they get off the plane.. combined with nerves..
We love you Jin 💜
This is the magic of BTS. They bring a real experience to fan. Thy give their fan a human touch and fan can relate to them in daily basis.
I have the utmost respect for Jin after understanding what they were arguing about. I guess Jin was defensive at first because actually he didn’t make a mistake in the choreo, it was V who made the mistake in the Spring Day performance. Jin even apologised to V. He is truly a selfless man💜
Exactly never seen a selfless person like him a rare find indeed
I agree with you.. Jin is the best hyung
All of the pressures and conflicts they've had and been through are what make them a group with strong bond and dynamic. It's what makes them different that other groups.
Still not sure who my bias is though
Believe me, I've been an army for 3 years and i still don't know 😂
Choosing bias is the most difficult job for us armys and after knowing each and every one' personality , we don't have a bias anymore , I'm Ot7 .
it's ok if you are an ot7 wherein you love them all, because all ARMYs are like that XD
@@anferneegracefernandez9015 you can have a bias and still be ot7
Me it's JK first then V, then Jimin, then Yoongi, then RM & Jin then Jhope then back to JK.
wow, that was a great pick!!! i've always wanted to see someone reacting to this video taking it pretty seriously. hope u can do more of this type of format, they have soooo many nice videos for u to watch, i truly like your comments :)
Thank you for being so emotionally observant and unpacking this intricately and articulating this so well. it helps bring some emotional relief to us viewers when watching it, and expresses out how we felt experiencing this moment between them. I hope u eventually become an ARMY soon!
Jin is soooo innocent ..he is best hyung ,most humble and loving person..💜
That's because jin usualy has a mental meter about the seriousness of the things.. he uses his 'eldest one' status to the boys when it's needed, and also knows when not to use that by himself And that's exactly what he's doing here by understanding the seriousness but not choosing to play that card..
Max, they are QUITE IMPRESSIVE for being such young men. I’m 62 year old great grandmother and I SEE it so clearly. EVERYTHING IVE seen or learned about them stuns me. Have you seen their UN speech and Permission to Dance performance there? Oh my gosh, my daughter & I were BEAMING WITH PRIDE for them and WITH THEM. I’m over the MOON (our last name, too) for these guys. I’ve NEVER been a FANatic but these young men are CAPTIVATING & MESMERIZING! Our family says we’re OBSESSED…THIS IS TRUE. How can one really DIVE and not be. I love your reactions, sweet young man. My best to you. (Started my dive March 2021). I’d say you’re ARMY!!
Thank you!!!
I've watched this scene like hundreds of times, but I'm still crying at how strong their bonds are. I am beyond proud, they really looove armys, and that's why i can't leave the fandom even after 7 years. They make me feel special and I've watched almost all their behind the scenes after concert, they always sort out things together. What can they improve for the stages, and sometimes some of them cries cause they've made small mistakes on stage (which made me sad 😢). They wanted to show their best for armys, and thats how the boys love us 💜
V wears his heart on his sleeve. He can’t hide his emotions, when you watch their videos you can often see when his brothers hurt his feelings in some way. It’s there on his face.
So true and probably after this incidents even when he feel left out or being dismissed he just shut his mouth and let it flow but his face shows how disappointed he was.
you should watch rm being a strict leader !! you really see his professionalism and the members’ respect come through
Think it’s better for him to stick to actual footage of the guys instead of the edits y’know?
It gives a much fuller picture of who and how they are, what the situation was. I love edits like that but they do strip away the context of whats going on and I don’t think that that’s what Max is looking for.
BTS's impact in millions is not casual and surpass their creativity and music. In a world where media shows us mainly negative side of humanity with their news, politics, health and more, BTS is the prove that we can do better. They show us that our behavior, self love and respect to others has infinite repercussions and inspire, motivate and create a domino effect that eventually comes back at you, your life and spread around. They were meant to be there in the public eye to show us this is posible. I'm learning so much trough them that I just want to be a good human being like them. A brush of fresh air and hope are these boys for me.
Thanks for reacting to this video!! I really can understand both sides, V not being understood his idea, and Jin being pointed out his weak point. They both analyzed the issue so well, which requires a lot of self-reflect and understanding about their own feelings and others.
V and members admitted that he used to be a little selfish/childish (though I'd like to say, he is free-spirit, born artist, or genius), but he has grown emotionally and other members also learned his unique personality over the years.
I am eager to see more of your reaction videos!
I watched your first BTS video from two months ago and then this one right after it.
The TRANSFORMATION 😂
I’m laughing out loud because that was literally me. It took me about two months to go from “okay, I don’t know if this guy is the leader but he speaks the most English” to “ah, my boy, Jimin!” 😂
Now I know all of their voices etc so well that I never wonder which member is which. It’s crazy to think that since they have so much recorded content of them being “behind the scenes” like this that it’s so easy to feel connected to them after such a short amount of time. I love the respect that you have for them!!!! 💜💜💜
Please continue to do BTS content, it’s so awesome to watch someone break down the facts on why they’re so popular - that on top of the skills they’re just such respectable and admirable guys who are so open with each other and their fans that we *can’t* not understand and care for them.
The part of the choreo that the fight was about was in the bridge. The rest of the group is still and Tae and Jin are having a moment. In the dear class of 2020 performance of this song, spring day, they are sitting down and not dancing. Tae and Jin are sitting next to each other. During that exact part of the song Tae pulls Jin close and their foreheads touch. Those two bonking foreheads seem to be their thing(hello So What). I think Tae was trying to make sure Jin was happy in this moment and not thinking about the fight, even though it was years ago.
This episode just breaks my heart and one that I honestly never want to go back to but it was essential that the boys have to go through.
There are two thing I noticed as you said in this argument. One being V felt as though he’s not being heard. He’s the second youngest in the group. Other being Jin felt as though he’s attacked, it’s kind of not easy being the eldest. He probably felt like he’s being pushed around cuz he normally just takes it easy without saying anything back. At that time with the pressure to perform well (cuz they pretty much give everything they have for each performance) those suppressed feelings/emotions came out.
In a way I’m glad this happened and we got to see it cuz this teaches us that any kind of relationship could have moments like this and it doesn’t have to end badly. You can take sometime and talk about it to solve it. This proved it cuz now Jin and V are in really good terms always encouraging each other, being there for each other. All members are the same. Even Suga who seems distant from emotions (I think it’s a trait he picked from his father) have his own way of being there for the members. Like a small pat on the back or a nod, give something without like looking at that person as if to say don’t care if you take or not but inside he does.
The thing about BTS and the connection with their fans is that it is in fact very genuine, if not 100% then at the very least 80% because it has been 8 years in this industry, 8 years of interaction with fans. Someone who is not genuine and putting on an act is bound to slip up and fans are not dumb creatures, it will be easy to catch them falling down the slope. They can see that these boys are honest and that is why the fanbase is so large and loyal. These men, despite being showered with so much love and standing so high up in the industry, never slack. They never do things half-heartedly, be it their performance or their honesty.
Oh this argument made me emotional because they were being vulnerable and showing their emotions which is something I struggle with so seeing this makes me want to learn how to be vulnerable with the people I care about.
Me too, it’s inspiring in the warmest of ways y’know?
I really really love that BTS don't shy away from showing us their 'bad bits'. I think it's truly admirable
I get so excited every time you upload a new BTS reaction video! Thank you so much for this. I always feel like I learn something new whenever I listen to you talk about effective communication skills!
I love these two men. They are amazing. It kills me to hear Jin when he says that he hides his pain for the benefit of the others. I hope he has someone that he pours that all out to at some point. V loves Jin so much, and seeing how they worked through this conflict is beautiful.
I love watching these videos because you are absolutely picking up on all the things we love about each member. Not only that it reminds me of the joy of getting to know them as a new fan and being amazed at how much they share with Army. I really respect how easily you express your admiration for them.
This is one of the most crucial interactions in their careers so far. It made them understand each other well for the 1st time I think.
Wow that really made me emotional. These videos and your reactions have really helped me to open up a little bit more to myself and others and be more in touch with emotional sides of myself which I dont really like. Its okay to be wrong. Its okay to be a little wierd. Thats what connects us to each other end of the day. Our vulnerabilities. Not our perfection. Thank you so much for these max! Truely appreciate your work!
literally everything you're saying about how much emotional intelligence they have and the happiness they bring and how amazing they are is what I'm trying to make clear to people who don't understand why I like BTS. Everyone just makes fun of me because they don't know them, and I've cut off close friends because they kept disrespecting BTS, refusing to get to know them and therefore refusing to understand me. It's really refreshing to see you, someone who's new to BTS, really be able to understand them on a deeper level so quickly. I love your videos! Welcome to the ARMY 💜
I'd love to see more of your analysis and reaction on BTS' chemistry. Cuz I'm sure the bond they have is something different from all the other groups out there. I've known them for 8 years now and I've never seen any other groups as close as them. There's no left out among those seven which is amazing...
They really show me how to be a better human. I'm not good with dealing with my emotions and they are such a good example of healthy emotional intelligence.