2015 Personality Lecture 03: Historical Perspectives - Heroic & Shamanic Initiations I Mircea Eliade
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- Psychological transformation follows a distinct pattern: order, disruption, descent into chaos, restructured order. That's Paradise Lost and Regained. That's the shamanic voyage. It's one of the oldest experiences of mankind.
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I've been going to college for a couple years now, and not once has any instructor I've learned from received an applause at the end of their lecture.
I’ve been in classes where we applauded at the end of the course, but every lecture? Not a chance. Peterson would’ve been a next-level experience in terms of a college education.
Professors never get applause
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Here Kali is symbolism of uncontrolled destruction potential of universe and the imagery points to the futility of humans in a scenario where if they built such destructive potentials ( depicted as Kali) they won't be able to control it (as Shiva himself has to come to stop Kali who ignores him and stomps over him)
And the tongue of the Kali is the symbol of regret as Kali is a form of parvati, the consort of Shiva himself
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I was actually searching for videos on Eliade and came across this JBP video. This was the year before he became famous. He had no idea what was coming at this time...
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True and good for you. I definetly neede guy like this about 10-15 years ago. Seems genuine and very wise man. It is always better check these absurd claims by yourself than some rumours
I think half of our ills and our society's political polarisation are because people would rather just buy into group think and a cookie cutter ideology, rather than do the ground work to research something as an individual and draw their own conclusions
He “supposed” to be alt right? I never heard this and I’ve watched a lot of his interviews lately (just because TH-cam suggests) and I’ve never got that impression at all. Why are people claiming this?
I find him to be conservative yet not so conservative simultaneously depending on the points he’s talking but nothing alt right 🤔
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It's true how you describe the experience, the water washes away any insults or hateful motivations you had to purify your spirit. When you appear again soaked through and take your first breath, it symbolises another thing.
Now you can breathe easy, you don't have to be disgusted by your own past natures and actions. All is forgiven the very second you repent and give yourself to Christ and to our Father in Heaven.
So 32 years as a gobby Atheist, and 8 years as a humble Christian and it has been the toughest but also the best 8 years. Thank God for God :)
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41:49 That's exactly Helm's Deep from LOTR the Two Towers. And they win that battle finally by voluntarily "riding out".
Seen that movie over 20 times and never put this together, damn. This is why I love Tolkien.
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Well the representation of Kali is totally different. Although I don't know what picture you got Mr Jordan, but the representation of Kali is which I can Frame by understanding which photograph you are referring is that, she is representing a embodiment of power and the man below her feet is not her child, he's shiva(husband of Parvati, and Kali is incarnation of parvati). He went under because it is said that Kali was so angry that he was about to end whole universe, as she is the goddess of power in hinduism. Would say you are right at point of Nature over men, which the act represents.
I think you were misinformed about this.
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And just how many lectures in school have YOU attended that ended with applause from the students? I have been backing up in the lectures, from the later ones. Now I want to start at the beginning of Dr Petersons' voyage of discovery and follow in his footsteps. They are deep ones, but they blaze an important trail. Frankly, I resent that I am older than him - if only I had met his ideas earlier in my life, how might it have been different. If you are young and just beginning on your journey, PAY ATTENTION, there is wisdom to be found here.
Life is too short to be resentful. Focus on the truth of love and beauty.
I am so thankful for you, Doctor.
Just love all your videos dr.P.
So increadibly full of knowledge and wisdom.
Wish I had your clarity and precision in verbalizing concepts.
Long life to you.
when this happened to me I thought I was losing my mind. I didn't know that it was a natural part of the human experience. My upbringing and culture had not prepared me for the journey. Interestingly enough, the preparation I needed came naturally from within. Everything I needed to re-assemble into a valuable, functioning structure was already there waiting for me in the shadows of my being. If you're going through this...I would like to offer up these words: death before dying is a gift. hold on to hope. let go of knowing. breathe. Allow yourself to become small to make space for the you that is arriving.
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44:05 I love this, such a small change in perspective opens up so much potential
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5:24, 8:10, 9:22, 10:13, 13:34, 15:06, 16:49, 19:58, 21:24, 22:45, 25:49, 26:36, 28:16, 31:02, 34:19, 36:48, 40:28, 43:01, 51:09, 52:48, 53:29, 58:32, 1:02:58, 1:06:54, 1:07:27, 1:09:42, 1:12:13, 1:17:06 Death is the precondition for learning (Phoenix); Mary is that which enclothes everything (nature).
Your lectures are way better than what I got at collage, you teach understanding and meaning, at my collage they only thought us raw facts, I could have gotten the same experience just from reading the books
Absolutely true. We may know what it means to be a mom or dad, so we can act it out but we can't essentially say what it takes to be a parent. Lord knows, my parents have tried, though. This i watch on my mom's birthday.
third lecture on a roll
I found a clip from this lecture in my recommendations and it seemed relevant to my life right now, so I searched for the full thing. Just one thing I have to add, the reason that character from marvel doesn’t have one of his eyes is not because of legitimate danger he faced. It was his cat that scratched his eye out😂
well maby his little cat is somewhat dangerous
Wow... so my own picture of what a mother or father are is ultimately a primate's attempt at piecing together roles that have been born out of nature and are far more complex then I could ever hope to imagine.
Reading Mircea Eliade's 'A History of Religious Ideas'... Only on page 39 and I'm running out of sticky notes :-) Having difficulty understanding the myth of Hainuwele from Ceram, New Guinea. The thought of a murdered semi-divine maiden springing forth as yet unknown edible foodstuffs seems a bit simple given the brilliance of the discovery of cultivation by these people. It seems that the translation (and the ultimate game of 'telephone' of oral traditions) may have missed something important. It would seem that murder was confused with a voluntary sacrifice of oneself for the benefit of the tribe. The sacrifice is not ones life in a suicidal sense but rather the life's work of someone to provide something new and useful for the people. This sacrifice of time and effort would fit better than the assumption that a murder took place due to the outrage of others at the discovery that food grew from crap... This would NO DOUBT be obvious to anyone living at the time. People gotta go somewhere and the obvious correlation to human and animal feces to punctuated plant growth must have been known.
Considering that my interpretation would allow the stated account for the division of labor between cultivator (women) and hunter/Sheppard/protector (men), the discovery of the need of chronological data for farming and only add the more important need to sacrifice time and labor to result in a hopeful harvest later, I can only surmise that the idea of murder is insufficient to properly explain the impetus for their rational to support the mode of being that results in creative cultivation, division of labor and simultaneously accounts for the sacred nature of the feminine.
That was the longest sentence I have ever written in my life.... sorry :-)
Amazing!
Off Handed your post made me want to read them. Reading them on Scribd. I love the depths of myths, fables, fairytales, and folk tales
I'd like to take a look at the photos that he's showing. seems like powerful stuff.
Live by the spirit not the flesh. Speak Life!
Love it
The opposite of love is not hate. It can't be. The opposite is indifference. So A and not A holds.
Is this "Crumb" movie the one about Robert Crumb? That's the only one I can find.
+Stopaskingformyname Yes. There's also a decent torrent floating around the internet
Yes, thats it.He also talks about it in this one:
watch
The notion of perpetual vigilance with respect to institutional corruption is indeed an ancient and salient one.
Did the pheonix rising from the ashes motif come about because when our ancestors used to cook birds, sometimes they would fly away?
Just 4 years ago, yet he looks like he aged 10 years 😔
He looks much better now in my opinion
no, I respected my parents and didn't want them to suffer.
40:30 - about let go and come back
This isn't the presentation I heard the quote in, but who did you mention said something along the line of, "We think so our thoughts can die and not us."?
this reminds me of the gnostic jesus quote that goes something like "that which is in you, if it stays inside of you will kill you, and that which is in you that you bring out will save you". I'm butchering the quote....
Yeah its about imagining different potential future paths one may take. So u can imagine following a path right off cliff's edge and deciding upon an alternate route rather than falling to your death...
Alfred North Whitehead said "the purpose of thinking is to let the ideas die instead of us dying"
i really with that the pictures were there
I laid out this dilemma a couple weeks ago and I want to reformulate it, because you might make some use of it. Okay, here it is: the preservation of meaning in, for example, stories, has two effects: 1) it creates the possibility that an individual will encounter that text and become more enlightened and a better person as a result, and 2) it reduces the immediate need of individuals everywhere to even concern themselves with meaning because anyone who might rely on that person for instructive wisdom and virtue can instead be edified by the preservations. The dilemma is that it's not clear whether the 1st effect renders the 2nd desirable or even acceptable. The dilemma is that the goal of preserving meaning actually sabotages the necessity to wrestle with it.
please explain 2 in simpler terms, like I'm five.
He explains this when he talks about Osiris and Horus both ruling together with one eye each. "The vision that guides the state (Horus, the son, youth, the falcon, the one who sees) but allied with tradition (Osiris, the father, culture, history).
At 55:00, he gave a wonderful rendition of the movie Monster's Inc.
Just wanted to point out that the readings for this curse are still avaliable in J.P webpage when you go to the section "More", "Academic" and then "Classes".
Which year is his best personality course?
The only way I can go though this: Listen to it during walking, at least 3 times. Listen again with video and make notes. Try to explain few ideas from the lecture to my friends. Since then there's no point in pressing next video button.
More please
so i into mythology, religion and comparison...where should i start with Mircea Eliade? also im rly imaginistic (is that even a word) person. i rly like pictures in book ..like in those of Carl g Jungs one,man and his symbols.
Do you have a link to the movie Crumb?
Maa Kali some times 8, 6, or 3 arms mean or aswell as 3 faces
Are the many minds and many action
Multitasking on a human human level like a God or Goddess
That she is
Many eyes, tongues, faces, smiles, legs, are the humans abilities not of evolving but evolution of an enlightened soul
But it your wisdom, understanding and it's right in that aspect
I enjoy
That was a pretty intense drink at end there professor. You sure that wasnt some good canadian whikey Haha jk. I really enjoy listening to your lectures while i work.
1:02:08 can someone tell me the name of the book he mentioned
Did he ever get around to Eliade?
1:00:00 Talks about women
Can anyone tell me the name of the movie? Sounded like Crum or crumb...but I can't find the video! Can anyone help?
xTheBlueNitex Robert crumb
can someone please provide a link to the movie that professor Peterson cited ?
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[28:30] On Jung
Idea:interesting
39:09 - 39:35
James Bond is also an orphan, by the way
34:08 "uterinus"
"What it means to be human is, well whatever that means, the one thing you can say about it for sure is that it's bloody peculiar" Compared to what... Dr. Peterson? :)
18:30
Very interesting how the Religions took the imagery of the bearded, elderly "Philosopher King" which in it's day symbolized the authentic, Self-realized man/woman and flipped it into a literalized man who lives off in a cloud far away somewhere.
Not very hard to see how it could get that way.
I'm pretty sure jk Rowling took one of doctor's courses
I have also thought about this! Particularly in a previous lecture where he spoke about how sexually repressing kids will make those things force themselves through to the surface in a dangerous, uncontrolled manner. Much like Creedence's Obscurus.
44:09
41:12
1:03:08 i had a galaxy brain moment
Was anyone else curious of what the Hindu deity, Keli, looked like; and subsequently fell through the rabbit hole or rather a plethora of online resources and images?
I spent loads of time and yet feel I barely scraped the surface of Hinduism.
Sonia Munoz to get the gist of Hinduism or to get to the bottom of it, I’d recommend you to read the Bhagvad Gita spiritually and not religiously.
Robert Crumb?
Yes, the documentary Confessions of Robert Crumb fits the profile.
Fun fact: The Lion King was based on the Shakespeare play Othello
53:00
Wow....Jordan is completely wrong about the story of the goddess Kali. It's actualy an avatar of Kali, a midwife called Peryachi. Periyachi is not eating the intestines of the man underfoot (a king she killed by trampling him) but of his queen. The open belly is of the queen on her lap. The child she is holding is the king and queen's child, which they wanted to kill due to a prophecy.
If jordan got that wrong...what else did he get wrong?
Not really, no. If you look up the story of Kali, they narrate pretty much what he said.
Nothing can be
*A and not A*
translates to
*Love and not love*
NOT
Love and Hate
that explains your confusion
it can't be both in the exact same moment, however quick alternations of the state are possible and make up the contradictory nature Peterson refers to. You hate somebody, and love him 5 minutes later, different parts of you operating at different times, yet in its totality it can be experienced as one paradoxical phenomenon.
Vesica id nomen est.
17 people embody bad forms
1:03:00 kobiety natura
After this lecture the chances that anyone in the class procreated with one another is 0.
What?
He means claustrophobia, by the way; agoraphobia is the exact opposite.
John Martin
thank you, i thought i was the only one who noticed that and was starting to question my understanding ...... if this guy is so clever how could he make such a fundamental mistake, and not just once but several times.I was waiting for him to correct himself, but it never came
+idrathernot ... If I can make mistakes - and I certainly do -then so can he. None of us is perfect!
John Martin
hmmmm ... i guess. I always question my understanding just did not expect to be questioing his. But thanks for the reply
No, he meant agoraphobia. Look it up, it has some overlapping attributed with claustrophobia.
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could you name the "attributes", to which you are refering? As i have suffered from agoraphobia and inclosed spaces, such as elevators was never a problem. But wide open spaces posed a huge problem, like wide roads or loooking up in high celling buildings was a night mare
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i never watch vampire movies. they suck.
Why does he make all of those weird gestures and facial expressions?
It seems there's never enough time to explain the mythological philosophy of femininity.
It requires a whole life time
@@NewEraSupreme more like a whole universe cycle.
Mmmm dunno, makes me doubt of him when he uses harry potter as a case of study
Good teachers always consider their audience. Why don't you try to read Maps of Meaning or watch some of JP's other lectures? You'd see that he is more than capable of discussing the entire pantheon of Western and Eastern cultural icons.
I don't think this has any ancient historical context 🤷♂️
That’s too bad