We're just now uploading a video of our 1937 Oliver Hart Parr 70. Very similar to yours. We appreciate your videos. You showed us what to look forward to.
Man that bring back memories ! Good memories at that . The one we had was on rubber but god do I remember that transmission whine ! Thanks for posting this and I'm going to show this to dad, He will like this. The old 70 froze and cracked the block on the outside so grand paw cut a heavy gage piece sheet metal and drill holes in the block and taped them and it the sheet metal to match it. He used some kind of tar he got at work and worked it in the crack and around the crack and put the plate over it and tighten it up put water back in and ran it for another 4 or 5 years and traded it to a streamline 70. I can still hear that old 70 whining a crossed the field. Thank You Bandit
No problem Bandit, told ya I would get around to it. This old stuff was so over built guys used to be able to get away with the craziest fixes. There was a guy around here back in the day that had an old RD6 Cat. It froze and blew the whole side of the block out. He gathered up all the pieces and took it to the local blacksmith that used to be in town and they nickle rodded the whole block back together with an acetylene torch. I think that dozer is still floating around here somewhere to this day.
Back then you had to do crazy fixes , You couldn't afford to get new blocks so you just had to do a fix on it and go with it and hope it holds ! Lots of things done like that back then cause you didn't have a choice. LOL Thanks for posting that video I really enjoyed it. Bandit
I own two Oliver 70s, a 1938 early model styled and a 1940 Oliver late model. I just restored the 1938 and boy does she run good. one of the smoothest tractors I have ever heard! Thanks for the video, reminds me of my child hood! You have one hell of a tractor there! :)
+Oliver66FarmBoy I always loved the unstyled hart parr more than the styled Olivers. They look a lot older and "mechanical" looking. Glad you found lights for it, looks very nice with them, especially with the chrome rings. You guys really know what your doing when it comes Olivers and restoration. Looking forward to the antique tractor day at 4,000 subscribers! Thanks. :)
You know, these days, they wouldn't have been thinking of helping farmers find a replacement seat. They'd have been figuring out a way to sell seats and make more money. Times have changed, and not always for the better, eh? I love the Hart-Parr! And I will look forward to the plowing video, especially since I grew up with trip plows. Yes, I am that old :-)
+Jay Groom Well, I have to admit that I am old enough that everyone took notice when the first hydraulic lift trail-behind plows showed up in our neighborhood. But no one around had new machinery.
Awesome video man. I like seeing the old iron. Your helping keep Oliver history alive. I was born in 76 and in my area there where not that many around. I wish i was around them more growing up but man i am learning about them now.
Man the balls on people to walk up and swipe a radiator cap at a show. Although my wife and I have had animals stolen at big shows so it shouldn't surprise me to much. Nice machines.
Thats nothing. John Deere expos are the worst. They had one here at our fairgrounds years ago and there was a guy there with an unstyled brass tag B (meaning it had a brass serial number tag) which is a very rare tractor. Somebody actually had the balls to chisel the rivets off and steal the tag off the tractor in broad daylight.
I have one of these. Mine is a 37. It's got a Sears and Roebuck loader on it. I have all the pieces but the grill screen. If anyone knows where I can find one let me know. I got mine from the estate sale. I knew the daughter of a owner. I know it was running when parked 40 years ago. I haven't got it running yet but I don't think it will be to bad to get running. I tow it around occasionally to keep it oiled up. It may not be correct but I like the red wheels so that's what I'll be doing to mine. Beautiful restoration. She runs sweet. Be interested in know how to remove the lock out because mine is on cut offs .
What a nice looking tractor, has to be a little nerve raking driving her up on the that steel deck trailer with those tiptoes. Your comment about the road gear is similar to IH's. The first tractor I bought was a wartime H. My neighbors purchased it new it came minus lights, starter, hydraulics, and mounted on fullsteel. After the war rubber was fitted to it and they wanted the road gear, The steering pedestal is mounted with three bolts with one having another running through it. All you need do is remove the long nut and replace it with a short one, instant road gear. would love to see the old girls pulling the trip plows, would be great. Hope you hit 4000 subs, again love your video's See you next post.
It isnt as bad as one would think, putting it on a wood deck trailer is worse. Its a good thing they locked the road gear out on these things cause in 5th it will go almost 23 mile an hour. They quickly found that was way to fast since for most farmers this was the first tractor they had ever owned and they werent used to handling them. Lot of pictures of brand new Hart Parrs flipped over on their side cause somebody got a little carried away in a turn. Thats why they knocked the road gear back down in the streamlined 70's.
Thanks for showing the 70 man! I like the radiator cap really nice tractor. If it's ok with you of course I would love to come down for the old school plowing
that is a nice old tractor looks cool with the double steel i have a 1939 john deere b it was shipped to my town on tip toe steel i guess it was changed at the dealership the steel was replaced with round spoke rubber wheels it was what the original owner wanted and it still has the slow transmission it runs about 7 miles an hour wide open we bought it from the owners daughter
I've been enjoying your videos and hoping you'd make one about and with this tractor. One of my Dad's brothers has owned a narrow front '36 Oliver Hart-Parr Row Crop 70 since 1970. When new, it apparently had rubber on the front and tiptoes on the rear but, by the time another of my Dad's brothers bought this tractor in 1966, it had rear rubber on "cutoffs," and the grille screen, lights and sheet metal parts (aside from the battery box, fuel tank and hood) were either missing or too rotten to save or duplicate. It also had (and still has) not just one but two "surprise" (unmarked) road gears: 5th and 6th. We presumed that one or both were added after the rear tires, and we've driven behind and clocked this tractor at 30mph. My uncle (the first in our family to have owned the "70" in 1966) was killed in a car wreck in 1970, so as a tribute to him, we first cleaned up and repainted his "old Oliver" in 1971. I'm curious, and hoping you won't mind my asking why you're asserting that ALL Hart-Parr 70s had green wheels. After all, multiple published accounts dispute this and, apparently, green wheels were a total departure for Hart-Parr and Oliver Hart-Parr. I've even read that (up until its time,) the 70 is the only model that they ever sold with green wheels. (Please accept that I'm not trying to start any kind of argument; just trying to learn more.) It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Oliver aimed to make it cheaper to paint their tractors and tried to pass off the color matched wheels as a "more modern" look -- but they knew they were bucking tradition and maybe -- buyer preferences. They proved they knew and feared this when they staged their tractor color voting contest at 1936 fairs, where farmers ultimately chose the green bodied, red wheeled "70"s over five other color combinations. Since the sales and marketing guys tend to beat out even the bean counters in product manufacturing, I can scarcely imagine Oliver pushing the green wheels long after those votes were in -- and it also wouldn't surprise me to hear that by then, some dealers learned of the contest results and were painting the wheels red on their unsold 1935 and '36 models. For what it's worth, I don't recall any paint on "our" rusty "old Oliver's" wheels between '66 and '71, but our local dealer told us they should be red, so that's what they've been -- at least since 1971. ...And by the way, since the dealer didn't have a drop of red paint to sell us, they'd have sold more paint (and made more money) if they'd told us the wheels were supposed to be green. Maybe they "didn't know any better;" I'm sure that most if not all of them were born in the 1940s, ...too late to have ever seen a brand new Hart-Parr anything, but I suspect they'd seen more than a few used ones, and they thought the wheels should be red. Maybe someday, my family and I will make a big project out of looking for and maybe finding old paint we've repeatedly missed and painted over, but unless or until then -- and based on all that I've heard and read -- I expect that's the only way we'll ever really know what color "our" tractor's wheels were when they left the factory. Here's another reason I'm reluctant to take even published facts and expert testimony without a grain of salt: We also have a 1936 Massey-Harris ("un-styled") Challenger in the family, and conventional wisdom -- at least these days -- is that these tractors were all green with red wheels, ...but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that "our" Challenger was always red with yellow wheels. It had faded and flaking paint all over it in 1974, and we repainted it so quickly, cheaply and incompletely back then that original paint can still be found on it (...on the underside of the hood, under the radiator, inside the wheel hubs and so on.) In some of these spots, I've recently and carefully hand sanded through this ancient paint all the way to shiny bare metal: no green tractor paint and no red wheel paint. I've also seen pics of three apparently surviving red & yellow un-styled Challengers, and found one (and only one) published source book which says that M-H changed their color scheme during the 1936 model year, the same year as but months before the introduction of the "styled" and "always" red & yellow "Twin-Power" Challenger. ...But most "experts" haven't yet seen or acknowledged any of these things. From this and many other discrepancies I've encountered in my life, I've learned that we simply have to be careful of what historians are sure of....So what's convinced you, or are you as convinced as you sounded? I appreciate that you've obviously learned and know one hell of a lot about Oliver's history, and am looking forward to reading your thoughtful reply.
All of the Hart Parr 70's were green on green with a orange frame stripe and white grill and all the original sales literature shows this as well. The 70 was the only Oliver Hart Parr to use this color scheme, the rest of the models retained the traditional Hart Parr green and red scheme. The color contest wasnt held until 1937 and there were 6 combinations. Green body with red trim and ivory lettering, Red body with aluminum trim and white lettering, green body with tangerine trim and white lettering, Yellow body with black trim and red lettering, Gold body with tangerine trim and ivory lettering, and Ivory body with gold trim and red lettering. However, the actual results of the contest were never released so we can only assume the green red scheme won out. But the switch wasnt implemented until 1940 when the 60 was released. All sales literature for the streamlined 70's supports this because it all shows green wheels up until 1940. Any Hart Parr or 1937-early 1940 Streamlined that has red wheels was painted that way at the dealer to make them match the post 1940 tractors.
Ordinarily I consider original sales literature to be pretty reliable, and I don't think I've been fortunate enough to have seen even color-toned ads for the Hart-Parr 70. Since you have, and the color schemes in them have all been the same, I understand your confidence and have a new perspective.The Hart-Parr 70 ads and factory photos I've seen have all been black-and-white, and they've only sustained my confusion. Some appear to be retouched, and in a very few photos, the tractors were obviously painted a much lighter color -- possibly even white -- presumably only to show up better in the photos. But in the photos in which the tractors are in the field and/or apparently dark green, many of the old 70s don't have the frame stripe. Many others do, though. Some have dark (red or reddish?) stripes, some have light (orange?) stripes, and some have positively bright (yellow or yellowish?) stripes. Some have dark (green or brown?) seat hammocks and some have bright (tan or white?) seat hammocks, and on some, the (b&w = gray) shades on the wheels matches the tractors' (b&w = gray) shades, and on others they're a little lighter (gray) or darker (gray) than the tractors:' (...red? ...or dirty? ...or just illusions because light reflects off of wheels differently than it does off a tractor's body?) The shape and color of the "70" logo on the front of the frame, the style and placement of the lights and several other small details vary, too. Prototypes vs. production models? Different frame casting patterns and/or foundries? Retouched photos? Who knows any of this? I certainly don't.My uncle's 1936 (?) Oliver Hart Parr 70 had the remains of big, flat-back lights on the remains of its fenders when my late uncle bought it in '66, ...but there were mounting holes for lights in the sides of the radiator shell, ...and then there's the snafu potential of the serial number on the engine only, which I was never aware of before you pointed it out in this video. Could "our" tractor actually be a '35? Based on what I'm learning here (...and also imagining that the original owner might have added the lights because it didn't originally have any,) I guess it could be literally any model year that these tractors were made.In Crestline Books' "Oliver Hart-Parr," author C. H. Wendel wrote that most collectors claimed that the grilles were ordinarily unpainted galvanized (or perhaps nickel-plated) metal, and the (b&w) photos I've seen in that book (and in others) seem to bear that out. I'd only seen three of these tractors before the mid-1990s, and none of those three even had grilles in them (or hood side covers on them.)Mr. Wendel also wrote that the color contest took place in 1935. Other resources I've read (but can't presently dredge up) have stated that the contest was held in '36 and that the results were "announced." Knowing your age and presuming you're remembering correctly (and I'm presuming you are,) you've read or been told that that contest was staged in 1937. You and your source(s) for that may be right, but that would mean everybody else has been wrong. Could be.Based on the color or color-toned ads you're telling me about, you've pretty much convinced me that "all green with an orange stripe" was what management had in mind when they "pulled the trigger." ...But let's keep an open mind when judging restorations, because the head office could've have changed its mind somewhere along the line, or the factory might simply have had to "make due" to keep crankin' 'em out. (I know from personal experience that production lines very rarely stop when functional alternatives are available.) Old 70s with red wheels may not be restored wrong, they may have been built "wrong" and restored right. You know, I just realized that that also probably explains why our old style '36 Massey Harris Challenger has always been red and yellow (and people tell us we painted it wrong.) Those tractors were supposed to be green with red wheels alright, but by 1936 the company was due to switch soon. New paint was probably already on hand, and I'll bet they just let themselves run out of old paint while still building the "old" tractors! "Order more old paint? Screw that, just open up the new stuff!" ;) Anyway, I have a greater understanding, and hope you do too. Thanks for sharing glimpses of your tractors, chores, and knowledge and insight with us! :)
Sorry that ^ is run together and hard to read. I'd inserted double-spaces between every paragraph, but the TH-cam powers-that-be apparently feel that nobody deserves that luxury, and they squeezed the paragraphs together without even spaces between individual characters. ....Buttheads. ;)
All of my info comes directly from the Hart Parr Oliver Collectors Association. A lot has changed since Wendell wrote that book in 93. At that time the Floyd county museum had just finished consolidating the archive records it had received from what was left of White. Heck in 1993 nobody even knew the factory paint codes for the Fleetlines let alone the Hart Parrs. They have had the records since 1991 and they still only estimate they are around 50% done sorting and cataloging them. Since then though the HPOCA has learned a lot of info and guys like Lyle Dumont have spent a lot of time specifically researching the decals and paint schemes of the tractors right down to exactly where they are supposed to be on the tractors by dimension (yes Oliver had published dimensions as to where to place the decals, even though ultimately in production they werent that anal about it). The vast majority of the info on the Hart Parr 70's was researched by Bill Campbell who owns the second Hart Parr 70 ever built. He spent years doing the restoration on that tractor and in order to get it factory correct he also spent years going through factory records at the Floyd County Museum to figure out what the tractor was supposed to look like. The color of the seat means nothing because they were designed to use a burlap sack for a seat sling. The color of the seat would just depend on what sack was handy that day. Factory photos taken at the plant are also fairly meaningless because the lighter parts of the tractor are most likely still be in primer (Oliver used a dark yellow primer so it appears almost white in black and white photos) and in some of the plant photos you can tell the tractors dont have a lick of paint on them at all. Most of the ones taken at the plant were also of test and experimental tractors so they may also have features that didnt make it into production. Its the field photos that carry the most weight. As for your Massey, im no expert on those but I do know that the last Challengers built were the standard Massey red and yellow paint scheme. I have seen quite a few of them both original and restored that way.
Thanks for the additional info! I learned a lot today, and will consider joining HPOCA even though I don't have an Ollie of my own. We've long enjoyed all of our tractors, but "need" more Oliver green in the stable. ;)
I just recently subscribed to ur channel and I'm hooked ! I'm a John deere guy but I'm learnin to like he Oliver's. Love the fact that you are farmin with older equipment. Keep the videos comin. Nice job
I finally found me a 60 that's all original except for paint and the tabs on the grill aren't broke the draw bar hole is still round it's definitely had an easy life it has the easy ride seat and the power take off isn't beat up its a 1945. and if you get a chance could you do a video of your 60 running?
Is that a Classic trailer? Kinda looks like one but the one we have is a little heavier. Another great video that had my interest from start to finish!
Man U got to get out and do some plowin with that! Or would ur dad even do that since its restored? That thing would pull good in that hard dirt at HCOP
she's a beaut... uncle had a 77 with the mid mount cultivators the side shields were taken off many years ago. he had an auction and put em back on they were just like new looked kinda funny but cool at the same time lol. love your channel I just started mine check it out if you would id appreciate it
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We're just now uploading a video of our 1937 Oliver Hart Parr 70. Very similar to yours. We appreciate your videos. You showed us what to look forward to.
Man that bring back memories ! Good memories at that . The one we had was on rubber but god do I remember that transmission whine ! Thanks for posting this and I'm going to show this to dad, He will like this. The old 70 froze and cracked the block on the outside so grand paw cut a heavy gage piece sheet metal and drill holes in the block and taped them and it the sheet metal to match it. He used some kind of tar he got at work and worked it in the crack and around the crack and put the plate over it and tighten it up put water back in and ran it for another 4 or 5 years and traded it to a streamline 70. I can still hear that old 70 whining a crossed the field. Thank You Bandit
No problem Bandit, told ya I would get around to it. This old stuff was so over built guys used to be able to get away with the craziest fixes. There was a guy around here back in the day that had an old RD6 Cat. It froze and blew the whole side of the block out. He gathered up all the pieces and took it to the local blacksmith that used to be in town and they nickle rodded the whole block back together with an acetylene torch. I think that dozer is still floating around here somewhere to this day.
Back then you had to do crazy fixes , You couldn't afford to get new blocks so you just had to do a fix on it and go with it and hope it holds ! Lots of things done like that back then cause you didn't have a choice. LOL Thanks for posting that video I really enjoyed it. Bandit
I own two Oliver 70s, a 1938 early model styled and a 1940 Oliver late model. I just restored the 1938 and boy does she run good. one of the smoothest tractors I have ever heard! Thanks for the video, reminds me of my child hood! You have one hell of a tractor there! :)
Thanks boss.
+Oliver66FarmBoy I always loved the unstyled hart parr more than the styled Olivers. They look a lot older and "mechanical" looking. Glad you found lights for it, looks very nice with them, especially with the chrome rings. You guys really know what your doing when it comes Olivers and restoration. Looking forward to the antique tractor day at 4,000 subscribers! Thanks. :)
i love that gunny sack seat idea. genius
Back when engineers had something between their ears besides air.
You know, these days, they wouldn't have been thinking of helping farmers find a replacement seat. They'd have been figuring out a way to sell seats and make more money. Times have changed, and not always for the better, eh? I love the Hart-Parr! And I will look forward to the plowing video, especially since I grew up with trip plows. Yes, I am that old :-)
we had an old trip plow that was used a bit when I was a kid, 5 bottom JD. I don't think I am that old, rather we ran a working museum
+Jay Groom Well, I have to admit that I am old enough that everyone took notice when the first hydraulic lift trail-behind plows showed up in our neighborhood. But no one around had new machinery.
:)
Those Hart Parr 70s are nice tractors, id like to find a Cockshutt Hart Parr 70 standard to go with my 1937 Cockshutt 18-28
We had a 18-27 when i was a kid back in the 60s
Awesome video man. I like seeing the old iron. Your helping keep Oliver history alive. I was born in 76 and in my area there where not that many around. I wish i was around them more growing up but man i am learning about them now.
Never to old or to young to learn. lol
Man the balls on people to walk up and swipe a radiator cap at a show. Although my wife and I have had animals stolen at big shows so it shouldn't surprise me to much. Nice machines.
Thats nothing. John Deere expos are the worst. They had one here at our fairgrounds years ago and there was a guy there with an unstyled brass tag B (meaning it had a brass serial number tag) which is a very rare tractor. Somebody actually had the balls to chisel the rivets off and steal the tag off the tractor in broad daylight.
Nice tractor. thanks for sharing.
Thanks man.
Thanks Farm Boy...really enjoyed that, ....now why was it called Hart Parr ?
I have one of these. Mine is a 37. It's got a Sears and Roebuck loader on it. I have all the pieces but the grill screen. If anyone knows where I can find one let me know. I got mine from the estate sale. I knew the daughter of a owner. I know it was running when parked 40 years ago. I haven't got it running yet but I don't think it will be to bad to get running. I tow it around occasionally to keep it oiled up. It may not be correct but I like the red wheels so that's what I'll be doing to mine. Beautiful restoration. She runs sweet. Be interested in know how to remove the lock out because mine is on cut offs .
What a nice looking tractor, has to be a little nerve raking driving her up on the that steel deck trailer with those tiptoes. Your comment about the road gear is similar to IH's. The first tractor I bought was a wartime H. My neighbors purchased it new it came minus lights, starter, hydraulics, and mounted on fullsteel. After the war rubber was fitted to it and they wanted the road gear, The steering pedestal is mounted with three bolts with one having another running through it. All you need do is remove the long nut and replace it with a short one, instant road gear. would love to see the old girls pulling the trip plows, would be great. Hope you hit 4000 subs, again love your video's See you next post.
It isnt as bad as one would think, putting it on a wood deck trailer is worse. Its a good thing they locked the road gear out on these things cause in 5th it will go almost 23 mile an hour. They quickly found that was way to fast since for most farmers this was the first tractor they had ever owned and they werent used to handling them. Lot of pictures of brand new Hart Parrs flipped over on their side cause somebody got a little carried away in a turn. Thats why they knocked the road gear back down in the streamlined 70's.
What a great looking 70! Love the rear "duals"!
Thanks for showing the 70 man! I like the radiator cap really nice tractor. If it's ok with you of course I would love to come down for the old school plowing
I will see what I can do but things like that never really have a plan. I will just do it when and if I have time so there may be no advanced warning.
+Oliver66FarmBoy ok man, you got my number you can shoot me a text or call me or I'll give you a call.
Love to see the old ones out!
The classic 70 is alive!
She always was. Just doesnt get out much.
WOW what a beautiful tractor, and great history description
First I had ever been to the mt Pleasant show was last year. Its really something to see.
They have a really nice grounds there.
I'm going back this year for sure, maybe it won't be so hot.
good video, good job. Very nice old Oliver.
that is a nice old tractor looks cool with the double steel i have a 1939 john deere b it was shipped to my town on tip toe steel i guess it was changed at the dealership the steel was replaced with round spoke rubber wheels it was what the original owner wanted and it still has the slow transmission it runs about 7 miles an hour wide open we bought it from the owners daughter
you know your stuff that's for sure. Always liked Oliver. love seeing the old iron in the field
We love our streamline 70 it shocks lot of people when it pulls
I've been enjoying your videos and hoping you'd make one about and with this tractor. One of my Dad's brothers has owned a narrow front '36 Oliver Hart-Parr Row Crop 70 since 1970. When new, it apparently had rubber on the front and tiptoes on the rear but, by the time another of my Dad's brothers bought this tractor in 1966, it had rear rubber on "cutoffs," and the grille screen, lights and sheet metal parts (aside from the battery box, fuel tank and hood) were either missing or too rotten to save or duplicate. It also had (and still has) not just one but two "surprise" (unmarked) road gears: 5th and 6th. We presumed that one or both were added after the rear tires, and we've driven behind and clocked this tractor at 30mph. My uncle (the first in our family to have owned the "70" in 1966) was killed in a car wreck in 1970, so as a tribute to him, we first cleaned up and repainted his "old Oliver" in 1971.
I'm curious, and hoping you won't mind my asking why you're asserting that ALL Hart-Parr 70s had green wheels. After all, multiple published accounts dispute this and, apparently, green wheels were a total departure for Hart-Parr and Oliver Hart-Parr. I've even read that (up until its time,) the 70 is the only model that they ever sold with green wheels. (Please accept that I'm not trying to start any kind of argument; just trying to learn more.)
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Oliver aimed to make it cheaper to paint their tractors and tried to pass off the color matched wheels as a "more modern" look -- but they knew they were bucking tradition and maybe -- buyer preferences. They proved they knew and feared this when they staged their tractor color voting contest at 1936 fairs, where farmers ultimately chose the green bodied, red wheeled "70"s over five other color combinations. Since the sales and marketing guys tend to beat out even the bean counters in product manufacturing, I can scarcely imagine Oliver pushing the green wheels long after those votes were in -- and it also wouldn't surprise me to hear that by then, some dealers learned of the contest results and were painting the wheels red on their unsold 1935 and '36 models.
For what it's worth, I don't recall any paint on "our" rusty "old Oliver's" wheels between '66 and '71, but our local dealer told us they should be red, so that's what they've been -- at least since 1971. ...And by the way, since the dealer didn't have a drop of red paint to sell us, they'd have sold more paint (and made more money) if they'd told us the wheels were supposed to be green. Maybe they "didn't know any better;" I'm sure that most if not all of them were born in the 1940s, ...too late to have ever seen a brand new Hart-Parr anything, but I suspect they'd seen more than a few used ones, and they thought the wheels should be red. Maybe someday, my family and I will make a big project out of looking for and maybe finding old paint we've repeatedly missed and painted over, but unless or until then -- and based on all that I've heard and read -- I expect that's the only way we'll ever really know what color "our" tractor's wheels were when they left the factory.
Here's another reason I'm reluctant to take even published facts and expert testimony without a grain of salt: We also have a 1936 Massey-Harris ("un-styled") Challenger in the family, and conventional wisdom -- at least these days -- is that these tractors were all green with red wheels, ...but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that "our" Challenger was always red with yellow wheels. It had faded and flaking paint all over it in 1974, and we repainted it so quickly, cheaply and incompletely back then that original paint can still be found on it (...on the underside of the hood, under the radiator, inside the wheel hubs and so on.) In some of these spots, I've recently and carefully hand sanded through this ancient paint all the way to shiny bare metal: no green tractor paint and no red wheel paint. I've also seen pics of three apparently surviving red & yellow un-styled Challengers, and found one (and only one) published source book which says that M-H changed their color scheme during the 1936 model year, the same year as but months before the introduction of the "styled" and "always" red & yellow "Twin-Power" Challenger. ...But most "experts" haven't yet seen or acknowledged any of these things. From this and many other discrepancies I've encountered in my life, I've learned that we simply have to be careful of what historians are sure of....So what's convinced you, or are you as convinced as you sounded? I appreciate that you've obviously learned and know one hell of a lot about Oliver's history, and am looking forward to reading your thoughtful reply.
All of the Hart Parr 70's were green on green with a orange frame stripe and white grill and all the original sales literature shows this as well. The 70 was the only Oliver Hart Parr to use this color scheme, the rest of the models retained the traditional Hart Parr green and red scheme. The color contest wasnt held until 1937 and there were 6 combinations. Green body with red trim and ivory lettering, Red body with aluminum trim and white lettering, green body with tangerine trim and white lettering, Yellow body with black trim and red lettering, Gold body with tangerine trim and ivory lettering, and Ivory body with gold trim and red lettering. However, the actual results of the contest were never released so we can only assume the green red scheme won out. But the switch wasnt implemented until 1940 when the 60 was released. All sales literature for the streamlined 70's supports this because it all shows green wheels up until 1940. Any Hart Parr or 1937-early 1940 Streamlined that has red wheels was painted that way at the dealer to make them match the post 1940 tractors.
Ordinarily I consider original sales literature to be pretty reliable, and I don't think I've been fortunate enough to have seen even color-toned ads for the Hart-Parr 70. Since you have, and the color schemes in them have all been the same, I understand your confidence and have a new perspective.The Hart-Parr 70 ads and factory photos I've seen have all been black-and-white, and they've only sustained my confusion. Some appear to be retouched, and in a very few photos, the tractors were obviously painted a much lighter color -- possibly even white -- presumably only to show up better in the photos. But in the photos in which the tractors are in the field and/or apparently dark green, many of the old 70s don't have the frame stripe. Many others do, though. Some have dark (red or reddish?) stripes, some have light (orange?) stripes, and some have positively bright (yellow or yellowish?) stripes. Some have dark (green or brown?) seat hammocks and some have bright (tan or white?) seat hammocks, and on some, the (b&w = gray) shades on the wheels matches the tractors' (b&w = gray) shades, and on others they're a little lighter (gray) or darker (gray) than the tractors:' (...red? ...or dirty? ...or just illusions because light reflects off of wheels differently than it does off a tractor's body?) The shape and color of the "70" logo on the front of the frame, the style and placement of the lights and several other small details vary, too. Prototypes vs. production models? Different frame casting patterns and/or foundries? Retouched photos? Who knows any of this? I certainly don't.My uncle's 1936 (?) Oliver Hart Parr 70 had the remains of big, flat-back lights on the remains of its fenders when my late uncle bought it in '66, ...but there were mounting holes for lights in the sides of the radiator shell, ...and then there's the snafu potential of the serial number on the engine only, which I was never aware of before you pointed it out in this video. Could "our" tractor actually be a '35? Based on what I'm learning here (...and also imagining that the original owner might have added the lights because it didn't originally have any,) I guess it could be literally any model year that these tractors were made.In Crestline Books' "Oliver Hart-Parr," author C. H. Wendel wrote that most collectors claimed that the grilles were ordinarily unpainted galvanized (or perhaps nickel-plated) metal, and the (b&w) photos I've seen in that book (and in others) seem to bear that out. I'd only seen three of these tractors before the mid-1990s, and none of those three even had grilles in them (or hood side covers on them.)Mr. Wendel also wrote that the color contest took place in 1935. Other resources I've read (but can't presently dredge up) have stated that the contest was held in '36 and that the results were "announced." Knowing your age and presuming you're remembering correctly (and I'm presuming you are,) you've read or been told that that contest was staged in 1937. You and your source(s) for that may be right, but that would mean everybody else has been wrong. Could be.Based on the color or color-toned ads you're telling me about, you've pretty much convinced me that "all green with an orange stripe" was what management had in mind when they "pulled the trigger." ...But let's keep an open mind when judging restorations, because the head office could've have changed its mind somewhere along the line, or the factory might simply have had to "make due" to keep crankin' 'em out. (I know from personal experience that production lines very rarely stop when functional alternatives are available.) Old 70s with red wheels may not be restored wrong, they may have been built "wrong" and restored right.
You know, I just realized that that also probably explains why our old style '36 Massey Harris Challenger has always been red and yellow (and people tell us we painted it wrong.) Those tractors were supposed to be green with red wheels alright, but by 1936 the company was due to switch soon. New paint was probably already on hand, and I'll bet they just let themselves run out of old paint while still building the "old" tractors! "Order more old paint? Screw that, just open up the new stuff!" ;)
Anyway, I have a greater understanding, and hope you do too. Thanks for sharing glimpses of your tractors, chores, and knowledge and insight with us! :)
Sorry that ^ is run together and hard to read. I'd inserted double-spaces between every paragraph, but the TH-cam powers-that-be apparently feel that nobody deserves that luxury, and they squeezed the paragraphs together without even spaces between individual characters. ....Buttheads. ;)
All of my info comes directly from the Hart Parr Oliver Collectors Association. A lot has changed since Wendell wrote that book in 93. At that time the Floyd county museum had just finished consolidating the archive records it had received from what was left of White. Heck in 1993 nobody even knew the factory paint codes for the Fleetlines let alone the Hart Parrs. They have had the records since 1991 and they still only estimate they are around 50% done sorting and cataloging them. Since then though the HPOCA has learned a lot of info and guys like Lyle Dumont have spent a lot of time specifically researching the decals and paint schemes of the tractors right down to exactly where they are supposed to be on the tractors by dimension (yes Oliver had published dimensions as to where to place the decals, even though ultimately in production they werent that anal about it). The vast majority of the info on the Hart Parr 70's was researched by Bill Campbell who owns the second Hart Parr 70 ever built. He spent years doing the restoration on that tractor and in order to get it factory correct he also spent years going through factory records at the Floyd County Museum to figure out what the tractor was supposed to look like. The color of the seat means nothing because they were designed to use a burlap sack for a seat sling. The color of the seat would just depend on what sack was handy that day. Factory photos taken at the plant are also fairly meaningless because the lighter parts of the tractor are most likely still be in primer (Oliver used a dark yellow primer so it appears almost white in black and white photos) and in some of the plant photos you can tell the tractors dont have a lick of paint on them at all. Most of the ones taken at the plant were also of test and experimental tractors so they may also have features that didnt make it into production. Its the field photos that carry the most weight.
As for your Massey, im no expert on those but I do know that the last Challengers built were the standard Massey red and yellow paint scheme. I have seen quite a few of them both original and restored that way.
Thanks for the additional info! I learned a lot today, and will consider joining HPOCA even though I don't have an Ollie of my own. We've long enjoyed all of our tractors, but "need" more Oliver green in the stable. ;)
I just recently subscribed to ur channel and I'm hooked ! I'm a John deere guy but I'm learnin to like he Oliver's. Love the fact that you are farmin with older equipment. Keep the videos comin. Nice job
Beautiful!
wow that's a beautiful oliver
nice tractor I learned some things on the video and you never have to worry about a flat tire
No, just holes in the concrete. lol
That's right
I finally found me a 60 that's all original except for paint and the tabs on the grill aren't broke the draw bar hole is still round it's definitely had an easy life it has the easy ride seat and the power take off isn't beat up its a 1945. and if you get a chance could you do a video of your 60 running?
Ill try. Its got a spun main bearing so we dont bring it out to much.
+Oliver66FarmBoy it looks like a great little tractor
It runs good as long as you dont run it very long. In needs an overhaul bad though, just havent had time.
Is that a Classic trailer? Kinda looks like one but the one we have is a little heavier. Another great video that had my interest from start to finish!
No its only about 8 years old.
I meant Classic Mfg. They're located in Sturgis Michigan and do make a fine trailer.
Oh sorry. Its an MSI if I remember correctly.
I love that cap would like to see the original one some time
Nice! You should bring that to our plowday this fall
I'm thinking the red wheels came along in 38, along with the restyle, my 1940 70 has red. I think.
I said in the video. Streamlined 70's came out at the very tail end of 1937. Red wheels came at the tail end of 1940.
So cool man.
Thanks Nate.
Nice classic piece of iron
love to see you plow with those olivers
been watching your vids for a while now and i have to say you have some nice olivers, love the old iron still working the dirt!
Thanks boss.
i like that little girl. :) i'd love 2 get our farmall b back up & running.
Man U got to get out and do some plowin with that! Or would ur dad even do that since its restored? That thing would pull good in that hard dirt at HCOP
He used to plow with it, but we havent been to another plow day since we put the double tip-toes on it.
+Oliver66FarmBoy well u will just have to mosey on down here for our plow day
Are there any date codes on the transmission or rear axle castings?
she's a beaut... uncle had a 77 with the mid mount cultivators the side shields were taken off many years ago. he had an auction and put em back on they were just like new looked kinda funny but cool at the same time lol. love your channel I just started mine check it out if you would id appreciate it
what year did oliver go to rubber
It was an option in 1935.
what do you do at the plant
when did you get the field cultivator at 6:25 to the right of the stallk chopper.
Dad bought it earlier this spring. Its a Brillion but it was also sold as an Oliver.