People should know that they're paying for lip sync shows and paying these outrageous prices is absolutely absurd thanks for exposing this to the public
@@janettedewar6617It becomes reinforcing. When everyone's doing it, you feel compelled and justified in doing it as well. Sort of like steroids and baseball or something, although frankly that bothered me less than this.
@@janettedewar6617Another similar case study where you see this is politicians accepting corporate super PAC money. Elizabeth Warren, for instance, used to swear off of corporate pac money, but then she said it was impossible for her to compete without it. There's probably some people out there that tried to resist using pitch correction but just started to get pressure from industry norms and eventually once they start doing it they can't stop because it's such an efficient way to maximize output.
You're overthinking it. People go to Mariah's shows for the full experience, not just to dissect every note. Of course, live vocals are ideal, and Mariah has proven she can deliver-just look at her MTV Unplugged set. But her concerts aren’t stripped-down jam sessions, they’re full-scale productions designed to immerse the audience. Part of selling that experience might mean she doesn’t sing every song live, and that’s fine. It’s about the overall impact, not just the technicalities.
@@rogl3W no one cares! We will still pay to see her and she will continue to sell out shows. Stop worrying about other people’s pockets and mind your own and don’t go to see her.
@@rogl3W so now you’re upset that no one of her fans aren’t outraged that she lip syncs? 😂 She will continue to sell out stadiums while y’all watch these dumb videos that won’t do nothing to any of the artists.
I was talking with co-worker the other day and he told me how blown away he was after seeing the Eagles in Vegas, how well they performed for their age(s). I'd just seen the breakdown on this channel and didn't have to heart to tell him he'd just paid a lot to watch a music video.
@@vickyaugust1598 Why sad? They are like small children, that´s all there is. And why would you tell small children that Santa Claus doesn´t exist and doesn´t bring them presents but parents do, when they are perfectly happy believing in Santa?
I think Fil needs a bodyguard and a food taster……. I’m worried someone’s gonna try and take him out! He’s outing so much miming, lip syncing, pitch correcting and auto tuning! 💪
Why would anyone mess with such an amazing voice?! Well done Fil. Keeping it real! By the way, I like hard rock I’m not a fan of this type of music but I can see why people like her.😮
OP, it's been known since Antares Auto-Tune came around in 1997. It's not been a secret but you are only just finding out now. It's not something that Fil is 'outing' and he is safe.
I recall seeing Rush for their last couple of tours (I had seen them many times over the years). Geddy couldn't quite hit the notes he used to hit, but he adjusted and still sounded mostly great. Age is a real issue, but facing it with grace as a performer speaks volumes (no pun intended).
Very well said. Just adjust your performance accordingly. You can always tell when people are f@cking about with things because older artists (as you say) seem to exist in exactly same register that they did decades ago. Look at how Elton John’s voice has changed when you compare his 70s versions of songs like “someone saved my life tonight” to the contemporary takes. (I sincerely hope he isn’t doing it as I’m using him as an example!!) McCartneys voice has also changed and frankly deteriorated but we can cut him slack as he’s 80 odd! When I saw Roger Waters in Birmingham last year which was just mesmerising, he got help from other band members with lots of the higher melody notes that he used to hit easily in the 70s/80s He’s also changed keys for certain songs - in the black and white lockdown version of the Gunners Dream he’s taken the song down considerably and it’s superb. I can’t detect pitch correction because his voice is flawed anyway. I think artists like Carey are wat too proud to admit their voice has changed but it’s daft. PS that song in the AMA recording is cr@p anyway - awful melody - completely forgettable. Great vid Fil!
That's awesome. I saw a video of Ted Neely doing Gethsemene from Jesus Christ Superstar in a live performance when he was 63, in 2006. You can tell, at times, his age, but it was mostly spectacular! It's definitely a testament to still being able to bring-it when you're older. In many ways it was even better than the movie version because of his more wise, emotional expression. (Here's hoping I'm not proven wrong by Fil and discover that audio is edited! Lol )
@@jedsteelwell2354 I think it really depended on the show. I saw them in Denver and he sounded much better than he does on the blue-ray. I can't really watch the blue-ray for that reason. I prefer my memory of the performances.
@@jamlaw The definitive and only version of Gethsemene for me is by the original, Ian Gillan. I was 7 when my dad brought the album home and I've been hooked ever since.
Fil, the importance of what you are doing goes way beyond just exposing singer lip sync fraud. We all need to make the effort to find truth in so many dimensions of our life, seeing thru the proverbial autotune and lipsync lies that get thrown at us by the internet algos, media, and society in general. Let’s make people real again. Thank you!
@ You are absolutely, and unfortunately right. It won’t be long until AI is so good that Fil will be out of business. It won’t be detectable by the type of analysis he uses. Further, anyone could get on stage and sound like a mod flavor and zest of any artist they wanted to and again, no one would be able to detect the difference.
You are highlighting the few great singers, as well as documenting the performers who have been lip-sincing their live performances for years. The truth shall set us free. Carry on.
The music industry is equal to the modeling industry. The models are all airbrushed to perfection. They look nothing like their pics when the makeup is off and no airbrush is available. This is the vocal equivalent. Thanks, Fil.
@@AlanTov Thats exactly my view. The only musicians in future will be attractive models with average voices. Look at Taylor, she is attractive, im not sure if she can sing.
In response to your analysis video title: There is a moral behind the Pandora's box story: that unchecked curiosity can be dangerous, but Hope remains. I can only hope that one day, listeners will REALLY LISTEN and say, "Art, not autotune. Imperfection, not pitch correction." It's fascinating how you put in such effort in your analysis videos--this was definitely no exception, especially listening and comparing 15 performances from Mariah Carey. Thanks for your objectivity and integrity...as a musician, that means EVERYTHING to me. Many thanks, Fil!
Eleven ot the last twelve performances I have been to have had no electronics at all, and the one that did was for a sound collage where the backing track was the performance.
I like how back in the day, when for live performances Queen decided to use a backing track for the middle section of Bohemian Rhapsody because they felt they couldn't do it justice, they made a show of actually leaving the stage while it was playing, so that it would be clear to everyone what was going on.
Great work, Fil. I cleaned the house once in 2005, so that's done. Dinner? I cooked once in 2005, that should do it. I cut the lawn once. Once and done. If only!
Its kinda like how they are incredibly over compensated for doing something that we do for fun and for free. And its BECAUSE its HARD to do it at such a high level......except it isnt. Its FAKE,so they are getting paid to wear costumes show up, travel (diamond status hotels if poss) five stars.... And get mountains of applause for doing it SO great. Most people have to do the work EVERYDAY. These folks at this status make money in their sleep. THE least they can do is SING!!!!!!!! Dammmmmittt
Damn I wish I had thought of that years ago! Do it once and you're done. Sounds awesome. We might still try 😉😂 (On the other hand, if I want real music, I'll probably have to accept that the household jobs are still real as well... 😇)
To continue with that...and why do city symphonic orchestras or state symphonic orchestras practice a few hours a day? Simply because their level of demands in their repertoires and how they are played are in a completely different class than the playing of bands that make commercial music.
Thank you, Fil. I could never put my finger on why I dislike a lot of modern music and I think one big reason is that it is so artificial. When Janis Joplin or other great singers missed a note, no one cared because we felt the emotion. This computerized processing removes the humanity from music. What a crime!
One of the reasons why music is trending towards the artificial is the notion that great singers "missed a note". Great singers do not sing on the note lines of a pitch monitoring graph more than once or twice or three times at the most in any one song and then, as Fil so eloquently described it, singing on those lines a few times in a song is only the "collateral damage" of having a great voice! The emotion of a song and of a great singer's voice lives between those note lines, not on them, in other words.
@@elizabethmiller7291 Well "missing" is relative. Great singers may not hit the lines as Fil shows, but I wouldn't hit any of the lines either and I can guarantee you would never want to hear me try to sing.
@@alangil40 I'm saying that great singers don't sing on the lines of an A440Hz standard pitch, equal temperament graph and they are not missing the notes. I'm assuming you are saying that you are not a professional singer or at least that you are not very pitch accurate as a singer and you would be missing the notes by a lot, right? My point remains that great singers aren't 'missing the notes' when they don't 'sing on the lines'. I hope that makes sense of what I'm saying here.
@@elizabethmiller7291 I understand, but I think you were responding to the original comment who in fairness meant when Janis Joplin or other famous singers missed the note by a lot so that it was a noticeable mistake, not the normal missing that Fil highlights as natural singing. In other words the original comment meant the word "miss" in this context to be a "bad" note, not an "imperfect" but pleasing note that misses the line.
Ty 1,000,000 from a guy that recorded with vocalists like Bobby King , Terry Evans , Meredith Brooks etc that actually sing live in the studio and sing in performances without lead vocal backing tracks so this is all great to hear someone else say what we knew all along long :-)
Thanks for exposing the fraud in music, Fil. Without you we would never know the extent of what I see as crimes. You may change the face of music for the better when these artist are forced to disclose their fraud.
But is it REALLY a surprise result? This IS pop music. Technology changes, but the idea behind populous music hasn’t. It’s ALWAYS been about the business, not the art
@@craiglindholm6338 It's not a surprise to us because we have Fil. But trust me the majority of people out there are oblivious to this. They actually think they paying to see their artist sing live without alterations.
@craiglindholm6338 - True, but it definitely had been way more also about the art, until around 30 years ago, when there still _were_ music-loving people working for the record labels and even in the higher ranks, and artists were being built up over a period of several albums and didn't necessarily have to be a Hit straight away, as the labels _still_ believed in them regardless! As opposed to today's label owners, who are just straight-up business people who are only interested in making the most profit they can 😏
Fil, what a rabbit hole this is! I'm glad you didn't get lost down in that rabbit hole!😅 Your honesty and integrity are once again on display! Excellent analysis video, Fil!
@@thekeysman6760I will agree with you! What is your point? Did you not like my use of the word honesty...or are you just nit picking on how I expressed myself in my comment? I have seen many people present something as fact when, in fact, they are not being honest at all!
Yeah, that wasn't a rabbit hole, that was more of a mine shaft! 😂 Wow! Glad you managed to find your way out of there. That is mind boggling and disappointing that she was lip syncing back that far. The amount of work that they went to to put this together makes me even more suspicious that the Eagles aren't really singing live again, but have just gotten better audio engineers.
appreciate you Fil. I've really been listening much more intently to music these days and I'll tell ya, here in the US most of the music played on the radio and 'live' performances are all either dubbed, prerecorded, or completely autotuned. Once you can hear the difference, you can't ever unhear it. Much love to you!!
Hi Fil. What you have uncovered is VERY INTERESTING. From what you are proving is that people are paying for “performances” instead of actual singing. I wonder what this will do to the industry and how long it will take. Will they admit this and people will continue to support it (at ASTRONOMICAL PRICES) or does the “live” performances collapse on itself? In any case, I am now so grateful that I have not attended any “live” shows in a very long time. Thank you for bringing this out. I only hope that people pay attention.
EDM is just a performance and the top DJs have made millions of dollars. We know music performances have been faked for a long time because the movie Singing In The Rain exists.
I doubt it will have much, if any, impact. Maybe if Mr Beast did a video on it.... Partly though, it's because i don't think as many young fans will care.
True! Her Christmas song was most likely recorded live! But with that song being played sooo much around the holidays, it will make me think of Fil’s MC analysis in general.
@@DawnDavidson -- Well, the "original" that you would probably hear in a grocery store would be the studio version, not a live version. So, assuming it's the original, probably not pitch-corrected, but still likely cobbled together from more than one take. Even back in the late 50's, Sinatra would do multiple takes, and the producers would occasionally cobble together the master from multiple takes. And that's when they had to actually splice tape. The Beatles did it a few times, too. But with digital recording in the 1980's and beyond, creating a master from multiple takes is easy.
I'm so glad that Fil has proven what I have been saying for years . I have been called names like , ( hater ) ( jealous ) and some things I can't repeat here . One so called superstar goddess in particular ! It's like they are selling a fake product ! I'm a retired musician and never got famous or wealthy but , we kept it real and could pack a bar and hold the crowd for 4 hours . God bless you Fil and everyone else who is reading my comment ! 🙏❤
Really loved reading your comment - it gives me hope as a fan of real music. I wish all artists today, whether they've been around for decades or just starting out, who ARE keeping it real would say that out loud. When I go to a smallish local venue it would be so nice to hear the artist say what you just said here about keeping it real. It's a selling feature for a lot of us who enjoy live music.
Thank you for being your honest musical self and sticking to the real thing instead of just faking it. The world needs more people like you and your bandmates. And yes, you are totally right in what you said; seems more like the others were jealous or just didn't realize what was going on...
Be happy you didn't "make it" to the top. It's an evil industry. I'm happy people like Fil are exposing this but faking live performances is only the tip of the iceberg.
Fascinating to watch you break down the samples Fil - - - I was with a friend in an enormous antique shop this past weekend - I picked up a Doris Day vinyl record, along with a few others, more for fun and giggles than anything else - but I told her that it would be fun listening to Doris Day doing an unprocessed performance, sure, probably a bit of eq and certainly a heavy dose of reverb (haven't had a chance to play the record yet), but beyond that I'm sure that record will be a "true" performance which is exactly why I purchased it - that, along with some of the lingering thoughts from many of your breakdown videos - thanks for what you do.
It's so sad that we won't allow our beloved artists to age gracefully. We've tried to attach them to a time when their voice sounded a certain way, no new skills or maturity permitted; no ushering in of the next musical generation, like how Tony Bennett became the ultimate showman as he aged while working with Winehouse, GaGa etc, like Joni Mitchell working with Brandi Carlile and other friends, etc. Pavarotti's honest lament was that he was still acquiring skills, even as his voice was in its decline. Thanks Fil, for what you do to bring honesty to this time of Narratives and Lies.
Elton John allowed himself to age vocally as well, he changed a lot of his songs up a bit so he didn't have to do falsetto anymore. His reworked live version of "Bennie and the Jets" is a great example, compare the later version to the earlier versions.
Your work is really impressive. I am surprised how much I enjoy watching entire videos. I think it's you, your obvious good nature, and enthusiasm as you discover whatever is there to be discovered. Absolutely thrilling, like a mystery being solved. The evidence is right in front of our faces, though many of us do not have the same talented ear, musical experience. You just follow the evidence, explain and display the proof so well. You are a master teacher. Thank you. God bless you. Virginia USA 🇺🇸
It's going to be like that scene from the movie "Real Genius" from the 1980's. Students start bringing tape recorders to a lecture to avoid having to go themselves. In the end the lecturer replaces himself with a tape player and nobody is left in the room. In modern times, there will be phones on record in the seats and a computer at the front performing. We can all stay home and do something else!
I think that scene based on a true story but reversed. A lecturer couldn't turn up for a lecture so he played a tape of himself, then just ended up doing it for subsequent lectures. After a number of lectures, he decided to go along and see how the students were doing, only to find they'd all left tape recorders.
@@MikePhillips-pl6ov Then the University fired the tutor because they had all his teaching recorded ! Then all the kids left the university because they could get it all, at home, on TH-cam, for free !
i think mariah often records ‘live’ versions days/weeks/hours before particular performances which is why we have countless variations in style and tone. i take it pretty easy on mariah, not that i agree with all the lipping. we know and have proof she was once an unbelievably incredible naturally talented live vocalist. it must be very difficult for someone to accept changes in their voice that the whole world will notice. mariah is still a very capable studio vocalist and shows rare moments of good live singing.
You need to listen to So Hyang from Korea. She is the best live performer I have ever heard. No lip syncing, no auto-tune. She can sing Mariah under the table, especially after watching this. I am not nationalistically bias as I am a fellow citizen with Mariah.
@@tom7471 Sohyang is also a super high soprano gospel singer, that's why she can handle any note. But the issue here is not the same. Mariah is not that high of a soprano(mixed voice wise), just like Whitney, Céline, they were middle belters, and the women voice lower with age, just like men, the difference is that their voices take longer to mature, where men are already matured when they go through puberty. To maintain the same level of performance they would need to sing either like mezzo or alto(like Adele) or sing with a heady voice, like Patti Labelle and Aretha did, but these singers dont/didnt want neither, they want to pretend they have the same voice through lip sync.
@@tom7471, she learned how to do everything by emulating Mariah. There is no singing her under the table; there would be no So Hyang without Mariah first.
When I watch Mariah sing live (and not synced) nobody is as disappointed with her vocal, as she is. You can tell that she knows exactly what she can and can't do, and is disappointed, you can see it in her eyes. I think more confidence, and being in a little better physical shape would do wonders for her voice. At the end of the day, she knows more about the female voice than even the mighty Wings of Pegasus does, she's just trying to give the fans a good show and unfortunately has decided that means lip syncing a lot of it. We're in a new territory where we haven't had these great singers who are still performing late in life, and people expect them to hit their notes. I wish people like Mariah would normalize reworking the songs so that we can get it a little lower and she can give us a new version of it instead of attempting the same key.
My trio just did a live show last night at a local popular venue, and I can proudly say that our vocals, both of them, were all original and we plug our mics directly into an analog board with onboard reverb effects turned on, only. Our other singer, Lisa, sang with very strong voice all night, for two and a half hours, and she was on pitch with her lead melodies and with her harmonies on my songs. I sang strongly all night as well. If these mega stars can no longer sing live shows correctly, I feel for them and I think they should retire. Thanks for the analysis, Fil!
I think they should sing live or retire also but we are talking millions of dollars tours so they go out and do wathever needed to go through the shows.
I can't understand why so many people think it's fine for supposed 'professional' singers at the top of their game to mime or use autotune live, and are happy to pay huge money for tickets to catch a glimpse of these stars in massive venues where you have to watch on a screen. I'd much rather see genuine musicians like you in a local venue where there is a real connection between performer and audience. 😊
Strange that this channel is allowed, it completely exposes the music industry as being nothing but a gigantic hoax! But i love it, because i suspected this many years ago!!
@@gantmj Sad but true. There's Billions involved. Eventually they'll suck the Layers on Fil. I'll hate seeing that, he's just telling the truth. In the USA he's protected by Copyright "Fair Use", but not 100%. Elsewhere, no idea. And defending any lawsuit is expensive. Let alone TH-cam just deleting his channel. That would all suck because he's a good guy, not mean. Or maybe they just figure he's a grain of sand on the beach. Not enough to make a dent. The fans will just keep paying for the illusion. It never stopped "Top of the Pops" or American Bandstand. I hope they take note, but leave him be.
I am not an analyst like Fil; he is a highly qualified musician analyzing a vocal performance. He is also a great teacher! I could hear the change in the vocal from live to pre-recoded 😊TY Analysis Yoda!
This is so, so interesting - really appreciate all the hard work you put into this. I would never have dreamed that an artist would go to these extremes
I saw SRV as well as others greats at Reading 83 , didn’t know it at the time the reality of how good he was , bottle wars until he started playing his 🎸 , I was there for Lizzy’s last U.K. stand 🥲🤜🏼🤛🏽
She sang live for years. Now the audience wants to hear the songs sung the same way they were 20-30 years ago and when it's not perfect (ie: NYE) they rag on her. She has been using variations of the same pre-recordings for years. Lambs have always known.
I went to school for audio engineering back in early 2000's. Our teachers and engineers had long histories of mixing some of the largest names prior. They all talked of live pitch correction and pre-recorded shows where the artist could adlib to the crowd in small sections where their mic would be live - but other than that, a lot of the big shows were pre recorded and played back. Autotune has been available for a very long time.
Great work, Fil! I'm impressed! I'm not surprised by Mariah or the music industry. Do CHER next! She recorded "I hope you find it" at 68 years old and sounded young. Now at 78 she has said on her book tour that she's going to be recording a new album.
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So she recorded the original songs but also recorded tons and tons of takes to use for these back/lip tracks? It sounds like Mariah Carey has just been constantly singing-exactly what I would expect.
I think what she's doing is she can still sing a lot of that, in studio after a few takes in good conditions, so some of those backing tracks are modern. That's why there's so many different 'takes', she's actually able to pull some of that off. In my opinion, she's still a fantastic singer even though live she can't do the acrobatics she used to do. This is a thing we're going to have with any amazing female singer when they get a little older, nobody can pull that off forever. Martina McBride is another example, an amazing singer who aged on us and now is trying to figure out how to continue performing when your body, no matter how much you take care of yourself, just isn't going to allow you to sing like that forever. I cut Mariah a lot of slack.
@@ArtbyKurtisEdwards Letting the audience believe that she is actually performing and not miming is pretty scammy, but most pop fans should know by now that they don't go to a concert to hear a pop singer perform, they go to watch them glitter and sparkle.
I’ve truly suspected this for years. YEARS. Just had no one to discuss it with 😅 Mariah, these days, sings VERY FEW words live. All the rest is lip synced over pre recorded tracks. You’ve got to have a keen eye, but it is evident.
A few months ago I was watching a recent live performance by John Mellencamp. I said to my wife, 'It's sad to see that his voice has gotten this bad." I went back the other day and found the video. It was like a breath of fresh air because he's out there enjoying singing his songs as much as he did when he first wrote them. It's not really hard to appreciate these performances even though voice quality isn't the same. All you need to do is remember how bad the music industry has gotten.
Same thing with Springsteen. His voice has held up better than Mellencamp’s but they do things live like drop the key. And sometimes he’s sharp/flat. Sad that this stuff is going on with modern pop music but I’m not surprised at all.
Saw a 92 yr old Willie Nelson, beautiful. When he can’t sing songs he has his son perform. A real pro and happy to hear his authenticity and emotion of pushing an aged voice to do his best. Emotion is more important than pitch.
@@stevenothingspecial Singing SHOULD be primarily about emotion - about feeling. What good is robotic, pieced-together pitch perfection, without the feeling of someone pouring out their emotions live, and your heart responding?
Hi Fil, Thank you for another fun and educational analysis! Watch those rabbit holes, lol! Wtg on getting another 1000 subscribers to your channel! Love and Rock! 🥰
Mariah is the single most intricate lip syncer in history. She has one performance where she takes a singular word with two syllables and lips the first syllable while singing the second syllable live. She has another song where she switches from live to lip back to live then to lip etc like 12 times within a song. She has more re recordings to lip to then just 1, and likes to keep it fresh or harder to peg by being so inconsistently crazy with her lipping.
If that's true, surely it'd just be easier to sing the damn song live, unless she's just genuinely incapable of actually singing without the pitch correction, of course...
What you explain at around 14:00 sounds like movie editing. Lots of takes are shot and then they select the best bits here and there and put them together in the editing room for the end product
Imagine going to a metallica concert, the 4 walk on stage, and they hit play..... Wow. Some intros to their live songs are from the album, and it's clear as day when they "swap" over to them actually playing.
I think this is the first time i heard the difference Im an old man but used to run front of house sound for a rock cover band for 7 years. My ear used to be so good i could cancel out the entire song and listen to a cymbal. I was also a bass player and me and guitar player got a 16 track Tascam with 1" tape and the newest drum machine made at the time. We recorded well over 50 songs and sent them everywhere but he got tied up with a yankee chick and i happily got married and moved back home. Im still married . He still plays cover bands doing the same songs we did in 1982. His only son is in NYC and we are on the texas coast. Oh he had written one song that was cecentvand i wrote 2. Idk where the recordings are.
This is really interesting. I'm a fan of Mariah's since I was little in the 90s. I am also a trained pianist. It's not bad to know the inner workings of big performances. I appreciate your analysis and though sometimes it goes a little over my head as I'm not a vocalist and I'm not trained in music production, I watch with curiosity.
I went to a Sting concert this summer and heard him use some backing tracks for vocals and instruments. He sang most of this concert live, but some parts were quite obviously prerecorded takes.
I was wondering when we were going to start seeing producers getting clever with comp takes and trying to fool us with the backing tracks being changed here and there, but I didn't know they were already doing it! This must have been going on for some time now and will be a trick used by more and more as the truth starts to come out. Great work Fil.
@@rogl3W I'm sure many people would not have noticed the difference had it not been brought to our attention. I'm so glad you have 'a pair of good ears'. .
So what I get from most of your videos that most are lip syncing or not live..pre-recorded... And I totally get this because if you look at the age of the people that are singing most of their songs from awhile ago there voices should be way different because of the changing of our voice as we get older. I'm a singer and I do not sound like I used to And my voice sounds now totally different. I can't hit the notes like I used to. I think one great singer Tony Bennett was pretty great with his voice over the years...❤ Thank you for all your analysis on these songs.You're just telling the truth and people are asking you for it.I think you're grand...❤🎼🎵🎶and such a cuite😊
Listening to an interview with my favourite singer they said that they are having to work harder to keep that upper register going while their lower register is deepening, that singer is now in their early 40s. listening to them live you can hear the difference in their voice from when they were in their 20s. Another singer I have admired since I was a teenager (I'm 68) but only got to hear her live in the early 2000's her voice had matured but still could hit the highs that she did way back in the late 60's she is now 75, still touring and singing folk and rock music. Sometimes meeting your youth's heroes is wonderful experience. Sonja Kristina, of Curved Air, wonderful lady that first gave me goosebumps listening to her sing Back Street Luv, Frank Mills and Cold as a Rose in Snow.
@Alicatt1 Yes...so if they sound different it's okay...I have seen Micky Dolenz of the Monkees a few times...he doesn't sound the same but it's okay...I still love him and I am Monkee Fan!!
Naw! Not just Tony whom I love, but most of the great singers from back then, Sarah Vaughn, Ella, Nancy Wilson, Peggy Lee, Johnny Mathis, the Golden Fog, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Jr. They were pop and jazz singers who took their art as seriously as an opera singer who has to sing live over a 70 piece orchestra. Live opera proves that it is possible to sing without all that junk. My voice teacher taught both future opera and Broadway singers. Technique training is what is needed or just a good natural voice.
Half of why I'm here is the music, but the other half is the happy calm energy Fil radiates.
I know!
I love that sheer almost childlike delight and joy he radiates when he hears the genuine artist at their best!
Agree, he really has this calm and positive energy that makes his videos pleasant to watch and listen to!
Same here 😂
It's all about the hair!
Another reason to support local performers.
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Unfortunately, more and more small independent bands use excessively backing tracks also.
Yes and Amen.
@@j.r.90001This might be true, but if you have an ear on your local scene, you will know which bands are worthwhile and which ones aren't.
@@j.r.90001 Hence the Rhett Shull's rant video. Couldn't agree more.
People should know that they're paying for lip sync shows and paying these outrageous prices is absolutely absurd thanks for exposing this to the public
Greedy people just wanting money & fame for doing very little.
@shanedowney6503 That’s my biggest issue. Paying big money for fakery.
@@janettedewar6617It becomes reinforcing. When everyone's doing it, you feel compelled and justified in doing it as well. Sort of like steroids and baseball or something, although frankly that bothered me less than this.
@@janettedewar6617Another similar case study where you see this is politicians accepting corporate super PAC money. Elizabeth Warren, for instance, used to swear off of corporate pac money, but then she said it was impossible for her to compete without it.
There's probably some people out there that tried to resist using pitch correction but just started to get pressure from industry norms and eventually once they start doing it they can't stop because it's such an efficient way to maximize output.
You're overthinking it. People go to Mariah's shows for the full experience, not just to dissect every note. Of course, live vocals are ideal, and Mariah has proven she can deliver-just look at her MTV Unplugged set. But her concerts aren’t stripped-down jam sessions, they’re full-scale productions designed to immerse the audience. Part of selling that experience might mean she doesn’t sing every song live, and that’s fine. It’s about the overall impact, not just the technicalities.
The real “mistake here” is that they didn’t expect Fil to be so on the case ❤
Mariah needs to be exposed. She’s excessively lip syncing and scamming for money nowadays even as a fan I couldn’t stand it
@@rogl3W Britney Spears has been doing it for the last twenty five years. These days, I've been suspicious about Babymetal.
@@rogl3W no one cares! We will still pay to see her and she will continue to sell out shows. Stop worrying about other people’s pockets and mind your own and don’t go to see her.
@@LuisMiguelchart lol they should drop you some kibble for being so loyal 🤣
@@rogl3W so now you’re upset that no one of her fans aren’t outraged that she lip syncs? 😂 She will continue to sell out stadiums while y’all watch these dumb videos that won’t do nothing to any of the artists.
I was talking with co-worker the other day and he told me how blown away he was after seeing the Eagles in Vegas, how well they performed for their age(s).
I'd just seen the breakdown on this channel and didn't have to heart to tell him he'd just paid a lot to watch a music video.
It's sad. Genuinely sad.
Well done, bro. There is no need to destroy other people´s dreams as long as that dream is safe, let them enjoy life. (-:
@@AIexOut-A-Magic-x6wsometimes they leave you no choice 🤷♂️
Sad
@@vickyaugust1598 Why sad? They are like small children, that´s all there is. And why would you tell small children that Santa Claus doesn´t exist and doesn´t bring them presents but parents do, when they are perfectly happy believing in Santa?
I think Fil needs a bodyguard and a food taster……. I’m worried someone’s gonna try and take him out! He’s outing so much miming, lip syncing, pitch correcting and auto tuning! 💪
That thought also crosses _my_ mind from time to time.
May he always be safe!
😌🙏
Why would anyone mess with such an amazing voice?! Well done Fil. Keeping it real! By the way, I like hard rock I’m not a fan of this type of music but I can see why people like her.😮
OP, it's been known since Antares Auto-Tune came around in 1997. It's not been a secret but you are only just finding out now. It's not something that Fil is 'outing' and he is safe.
@@simonnarramore4850Fil can't see your comment hidden in a thread.
@@thekeysman6760 - He could, but he won't.
Fil jumps into more rabbit holes than Bugs Bunny! 🤣 And I am here for it!
I'm here for the half a hole.
😂 👌🏼 🙋🏻
Missed you yesterday on the live stream, Cindi.
@@SuziQ. Thanks, missed you guys too, will be there Tuesday!
Cindi 😂
I recall seeing Rush for their last couple of tours (I had seen them many times over the years). Geddy couldn't quite hit the notes he used to hit, but he adjusted and still sounded mostly great. Age is a real issue, but facing it with grace as a performer speaks volumes (no pun intended).
Very well said. Just adjust your performance accordingly.
You can always tell when people are f@cking about with things because older artists (as you say) seem to exist in exactly same register that they did decades ago.
Look at how Elton John’s voice has changed when you compare his 70s versions of songs like “someone saved my life tonight” to the contemporary takes.
(I sincerely hope he isn’t doing it as I’m using him as an example!!)
McCartneys voice has also changed and frankly deteriorated but we can cut him slack as he’s 80 odd!
When I saw Roger Waters in Birmingham last year which was just mesmerising, he got help from other band members with lots of the higher melody notes that he used to hit easily in the 70s/80s
He’s also changed keys for certain songs - in the black and white lockdown version of the Gunners Dream he’s taken the song down considerably and it’s superb. I can’t detect pitch correction because his voice is flawed anyway.
I think artists like Carey are wat too proud to admit their voice has changed but it’s daft.
PS that song in the AMA recording is cr@p anyway - awful melody - completely forgettable.
Great vid Fil!
That's awesome. I saw a video of Ted Neely doing Gethsemene from Jesus Christ Superstar in a live performance when he was 63, in 2006. You can tell, at times, his age, but it was mostly spectacular! It's definitely a testament to still being able to bring-it when you're older. In many ways it was even better than the movie version because of his more wise, emotional expression. (Here's hoping I'm not proven wrong by Fil and discover that audio is edited! Lol )
I thought geddy was really struggling towards the end at least to my ears he could barley handle anything
@@jedsteelwell2354 I think it really depended on the show. I saw them in Denver and he sounded much better than he does on the blue-ray. I can't really watch the blue-ray for that reason. I prefer my memory of the performances.
@@jamlaw The definitive and only version of Gethsemene for me is by the original, Ian Gillan. I was 7 when my dad brought the album home and I've been hooked ever since.
Appreciate the honesty, and integrity. To me, that means everything...
Thank you Fil!🌷
Not to mention the pain of having to hear that awful song over and over again 🤮
Fil, the importance of what you are doing goes way beyond just exposing singer lip sync fraud. We all need to make the effort to find truth in so many dimensions of our life, seeing thru the proverbial autotune and lipsync lies that get thrown at us by the internet algos, media, and society in general. Let’s make people real again. Thank you!
MARA - Make audio real again
Soon it'll be AI vocals that are indistinguishable from humans. I'm afraid we're headed in the other direction, towards more inauthenticity.
@ You are absolutely, and unfortunately right. It won’t be long until AI is so good that Fil will be out of business. It won’t be detectable by the type of analysis he uses. Further, anyone could get on stage and sound like a mod flavor and zest of any artist they wanted to and again, no one would be able to detect the difference.
Yes! " Let's make people real again"!
@@davelocke :D
You are highlighting the few great singers, as well as documenting the performers who have been lip-sincing their live performances for years. The truth shall set us free. Carry on.
The music industry is equal to the modeling industry. The models are all airbrushed to perfection. They look nothing like their pics when the makeup is off and no airbrush is available. This is the vocal equivalent. Thanks, Fil.
My cousin's friend was a body makeup artist in L.A. She said the celebrity she spent the most time on was......., you guessed it, Mariah Carey.
great analogy
Good analogy. And the only women who can make it in the music industry now are thin and attractive
@@AlanTov Thats exactly my view. The only musicians in future will be attractive models with average voices. Look at Taylor, she is attractive, im not sure if she can sing.
@@AlanTov Now? That's been the case for decades and the same applies to many of the men, too.
Appreciate your integrity and honesty. Too little of both today.❤
, , and Common Sense as well .. 🤔
He's really refreshing and also not at all mean-spirited about it. Just observing and commenting.
I think it would be cool to find contemporary live performances that are NOT corrected, and shine some light on those examples
I'd love to see if the latest David Gilmour tour was pure
Robert Smith doesn't and still sounds great
Fil’s found a couple.
Fil just did one on Pink.
Dream Theater is not corrected...unfortunately.
"...and I noticed this in all of the 15 performances..."
🤯
I must commend Fil on listening to all those!
I could never do that myself! 😅
LOL! I laughed when he said that! Such diligence.
@ginnyvogel7754 - Yes! True dedication to the cause! 😊
Even 1 listen is too much!
I have just got to the bit when he said that before I read your comment.
@@anngulliver5964 - Was _your_ mind blown, too? 😄
In response to your analysis video title: There is a moral behind the Pandora's box story: that unchecked curiosity can be dangerous, but Hope remains. I can only hope that one day, listeners will REALLY LISTEN and say, "Art, not autotune. Imperfection, not pitch correction." It's fascinating how you put in such effort in your analysis videos--this was definitely no exception, especially listening and comparing 15 performances from Mariah Carey. Thanks for your objectivity and integrity...as a musician, that means EVERYTHING to me. Many thanks, Fil!
‘Art,not autotune. Imperfection, not pitch correction.’ That’s great!👌
Basically, the only time we know a live performance is real is when it's an unknown artist singing on the street corner or in a small pub.
Eleven ot the last twelve performances I have been to have had no electronics at all, and the one that did was for a sound collage where the backing track was the performance.
You got it.
And more and more I feel comfortable sinnging off pitch!
Yep
And Mariah was singing circles around them still lol
Just want to appreciate the huge amount of work and attention to detail you put in. Thank you Fil!
Ditto!
Fil, I love what you do. Been watching you for a very long time.
I have listened to her far too long. Can’t take any more of her
I like how back in the day, when for live performances Queen decided to use a backing track for the middle section of Bohemian Rhapsody because they felt they couldn't do it justice, they made a show of actually leaving the stage while it was playing, so that it would be clear to everyone what was going on.
Great work, Fil. I cleaned the house once in 2005, so that's done. Dinner? I cooked once in 2005, that should do it. I cut the lawn once. Once and done. If only!
Its kinda like how they are incredibly over compensated for doing something that we do for fun and for free. And its BECAUSE its HARD to do it at such a high level......except it isnt. Its FAKE,so they are getting paid to wear costumes show up, travel (diamond status hotels if poss) five stars.... And get mountains of applause for doing it SO great. Most people have to do the work EVERYDAY. These folks at this status make money in their sleep. THE least they can do is SING!!!!!!!! Dammmmmittt
Damn I wish I had thought of that years ago! Do it once and you're done. Sounds awesome. We might still try 😉😂 (On the other hand, if I want real music, I'll probably have to accept that the household jobs are still real as well... 😇)
We know Fil is correct because he would have been sued out of the solar system by now. Good work sir!
Heh. And, Don Henley would have been leading the charge! :)
AHH to litigate against would be admitting they are misleading the public?
When you watch actual live performances, jazz groups for example, it really makes you appreciate the work that goes into real live performances!!
To continue with that...and why do city symphonic orchestras or state symphonic orchestras practice a few hours a day? Simply because their level of demands in their repertoires and how they are played are in a completely different class than the playing of bands that make commercial music.
Thank you, Fil. I could never put my finger on why I dislike a lot of modern music and I think one big reason is that it is so artificial. When Janis Joplin or other great singers missed a note, no one cared because we felt the emotion. This computerized processing removes the humanity from music. What a crime!
One of the reasons why music is trending towards the artificial is the notion that great singers "missed a note". Great singers do not sing on the note lines of a pitch monitoring graph more than once or twice or three times at the most in any one song and then, as Fil so eloquently described it, singing on those lines a few times in a song is only the "collateral damage" of having a great voice! The emotion of a song and of a great singer's voice lives between those note lines, not on them, in other words.
Even before AI the industry is ready for it though
@@elizabethmiller7291 Well "missing" is relative. Great singers may not hit the lines as Fil shows, but I wouldn't hit any of the lines either and I can guarantee you would never want to hear me try to sing.
@@alangil40 I'm saying that great singers don't sing on the lines of an A440Hz standard pitch, equal temperament graph and they are not missing the notes.
I'm assuming you are saying that you are not a professional singer or at least that you are not very pitch accurate as a singer and you would be missing the notes by a lot, right?
My point remains that great singers aren't 'missing the notes' when they don't 'sing on the lines'. I hope that makes sense of what I'm saying here.
@@elizabethmiller7291 I understand, but I think you were responding to the original comment who in fairness meant when Janis Joplin or other famous singers missed the note by a lot so that it was a noticeable mistake, not the normal missing that Fil highlights as natural singing. In other words the original comment meant the word "miss" in this context to be a "bad" note, not an "imperfect" but pleasing note that misses the line.
Ty 1,000,000 from a guy that recorded with vocalists like Bobby King , Terry Evans , Meredith Brooks etc that actually sing live in the studio and sing in performances without lead vocal backing tracks so this is all great to hear someone else say what we knew all along long :-)
These people are qualified for Congress
One of "these people" is actually Laura Trump. Her episode was on her recent release of a Tom Petty song.
...TDS
Hahaha great observation!
Becuase they say the same thing decade after decade, but nothing really changes, and it's all the same stuff over and over?
Well said. There a reason politicians today are connected to the movie and music INDUSTRIES.
I just here to say, Thank You for the SRV shirt. Good to keep the GOAT’s memory alive. 💜
Thanks for exposing the fraud in music, Fil. Without you we would never know the extent of what I see as crimes. You may change the face of music for the better when these artist are forced to disclose their fraud.
We all need to spread this info whenever we can!
But is it REALLY a surprise result? This IS pop music. Technology changes, but the idea behind populous music hasn’t. It’s ALWAYS been about the business, not the art
@@craiglindholm6338 It's not a surprise to us because we have Fil. But trust me the majority of people out there are oblivious to this. They actually think they paying to see their artist sing live without alterations.
@craiglindholm6338 - True, but it definitely had been way more also about the art, until around 30 years ago, when there still _were_ music-loving people working for the record labels and even in the higher ranks, and artists were being built up over a period of several albums and didn't necessarily have to be a Hit straight away, as the labels _still_ believed in them regardless!
As opposed to today's label owners, who are just straight-up business people who are only interested in making the most profit they can 😏
@@Feirin332 Lip-syncing is not illegal. Furthermore, nobody lipsyncs *everything*, so if they do some singing then it's not false advertising.
Fil, what a rabbit hole this is! I'm glad you didn't get lost down in that rabbit hole!😅 Your honesty and integrity are once again on display! Excellent analysis video, Fil!
My Baby 🐇would ❤ Film and would introduce him to the DorMouse..except my 🐇is a calico!😉
"Honesty"? Fact is fact.
@thekeysman6760 Of course, fact is fact! And Fil presents the facts honestly!
@@veramilton833 But there is no other way to talk fact but honestly. It's a given.
@@thekeysman6760I will agree with you! What is your point? Did you not like my use of the word honesty...or are you just nit picking on how I expressed myself in my comment? I have seen many people present something as fact when, in fact, they are not being honest at all!
Fil you are doing gods work! 20 years of Mariah NOT singing… I have so many other questions now!
Yeah, that wasn't a rabbit hole, that was more of a mine shaft! 😂 Wow! Glad you managed to find your way out of there. That is mind boggling and disappointing that she was lip syncing back that far. The amount of work that they went to to put this together makes me even more suspicious that the Eagles aren't really singing live again, but have just gotten better audio engineers.
The amount of work that has went into something which keeps her from actually working on every show.
it’s her team who does it tho. She’s just a mascot 😂 cashing in every festive season scamming people
Thanks for your efforts, Fil... really makes me appreciate the aLIVE performances I caught in the 70's/80's.
70s* and 80s*, no apostrophe saying 70 is etc. Seventies and Eighties have no apostrophe.
@@thekeysman6760 Thank you, Grammar Police.
@@rowanrobbins Punctuation or spelling aren't grammar, and helping unity isn't policing. I suggest you understand what psychological projection is.
@@thekeysman676070s, not 70 is.
@@thekeysman6760 Go somewhere else with this crap.
appreciate you Fil. I've really been listening much more intently to music these days and I'll tell ya, here in the US most of the music played on the radio and 'live' performances are all either dubbed, prerecorded, or completely autotuned. Once you can hear the difference, you can't ever unhear it. Much love to you!!
Thanks!
Thank you!
And kudos to Fil for the amount of investigative work done here. Brilliant video.
Hi Fil. What you have uncovered is VERY INTERESTING. From what you are proving is that people are paying for “performances” instead of actual singing. I wonder what this will do to the industry and how long it will take. Will they admit this and people will continue to support it (at ASTRONOMICAL PRICES) or does the “live” performances collapse on itself? In any case, I am now so grateful that I have not attended any “live” shows in a very long time. Thank you for bringing this out. I only hope that people pay attention.
EDM is just a performance and the top DJs have made millions of dollars. We know music performances have been faked for a long time because the movie Singing In The Rain exists.
'Performances' and 'live' in inverted commas implying so-called or supposedly, not quotation marks quoting nobody at all.
Hey now, acting is also considered performance.
@@thekeysman6760 Oh, stop it. Enough already.
I doubt it will have much, if any, impact. Maybe if Mr Beast did a video on it.... Partly though, it's because i don't think as many young fans will care.
If nothing else, you have to admire Mariah's wholehearted commitment to recycling.
@@adrianchell yea She's QUITE the Environmentalist
😂
Reduce, Reuse, Recycle, in that order of importance / helpfulness. You could argue this is reuse, even better than recycling :P
Now with holidays coming, every time I hear Mariah’s “All I Want for Christmas”, ( for the hundredth time )I will be thinking of Fil’s analysis!
We probably will be hearing the one recorded in the 90’s, so at least it was probably mostly actually live? But, yeah. 😭 Disappointing.
True! Her Christmas song was most likely recorded live! But with that song being played sooo much around the holidays, it will make me think of Fil’s MC analysis in general.
... And mourning how well she could sing back then.
I run as far as I can when I hear her "All I want for Chistmas is..." & I think "..you to shut up"!
@@DawnDavidson -- Well, the "original" that you would probably hear in a grocery store would be the studio version, not a live version. So, assuming it's the original, probably not pitch-corrected, but still likely cobbled together from more than one take. Even back in the late 50's, Sinatra would do multiple takes, and the producers would occasionally cobble together the master from multiple takes. And that's when they had to actually splice tape. The Beatles did it a few times, too. But with digital recording in the 1980's and beyond, creating a master from multiple takes is easy.
I stumbled across this channel and now it’s a must listen to every ep . Wow we have been messed with for years . Thanks Fil .
I'm so glad that Fil has proven what I have been saying for years . I have been called names like , ( hater ) ( jealous ) and some things I can't repeat here . One so called superstar goddess in particular ! It's like they are selling a fake product ! I'm a retired musician and never got famous or wealthy but , we kept it real and could pack a bar and hold the crowd for 4 hours . God bless you Fil and everyone else who is reading my comment ! 🙏❤
Really loved reading your comment - it gives me hope as a fan of real music. I wish all artists today, whether they've been around for decades or just starting out, who ARE keeping it real would say that out loud. When I go to a smallish local venue it would be so nice to hear the artist say what you just said here about keeping it real. It's a selling feature for a lot of us who enjoy live music.
Thank you for being your honest musical self and sticking to the real thing instead of just faking it. The world needs more people like you and your bandmates. And yes, you are totally right in what you said; seems more like the others were jealous or just didn't realize what was going on...
Be happy you didn't "make it" to the top. It's an evil industry. I'm happy people like Fil are exposing this but faking live performances is only the tip of the iceberg.
I think that's exactly it. They ARE selling a fake product. 👍
You’re hitting all the right notes! Keep on it! You’re tellin’ it like it is and we need more truth within reach. Thank you!
Fascinating to watch you break down the samples Fil - - - I was with a friend in an enormous antique shop this past weekend - I picked up a Doris Day vinyl record, along with a few others, more for fun and giggles than anything else - but I told her that it would be fun listening to Doris Day doing an unprocessed performance, sure, probably a bit of eq and certainly a heavy dose of reverb (haven't had a chance to play the record yet), but beyond that I'm sure that record will be a "true" performance which is exactly why I purchased it - that, along with some of the lingering thoughts from many of your breakdown videos - thanks for what you do.
A good singer sounds so much better when they are truly live and not pitch corrected
Yes, see So Hyang, and very few more...
A "good" singer, yes. But most are crap😂
It's so sad that we won't allow our beloved artists to age gracefully. We've tried to attach them to a time when their voice sounded a certain way, no new skills or maturity permitted; no ushering in of the next musical generation, like how Tony Bennett became the ultimate showman as he aged while working with Winehouse, GaGa etc, like Joni Mitchell working with Brandi Carlile and other friends, etc. Pavarotti's honest lament was that he was still acquiring skills, even as his voice was in its decline. Thanks Fil, for what you do to bring honesty to this time of Narratives and Lies.
Elton John allowed himself to age vocally as well, he changed a lot of his songs up a bit so he didn't have to do falsetto anymore. His reworked live version of "Bennie and the Jets" is a great example, compare the later version to the earlier versions.
Your work is really impressive. I am surprised how much I enjoy watching entire videos. I think it's you, your obvious good nature, and enthusiasm as you discover whatever is there to be discovered. Absolutely thrilling, like a mystery being solved. The evidence is right in front of our faces, though many of us do not have the same talented ear, musical experience. You just follow the evidence, explain and display the proof so well. You are a master teacher.
Thank you. God bless you.
Virginia USA 🇺🇸
Keep it coming, Fil! I love it!
It's going to be like that scene from the movie "Real Genius" from the 1980's. Students start bringing tape recorders to a lecture to avoid having to go themselves. In the end the lecturer replaces himself with a tape player and nobody is left in the room. In modern times, there will be phones on record in the seats and a computer at the front performing. We can all stay home and do something else!
Perhaps the artist is not even there at all. Its all just AI.
1980s*, no apostrophe saying 1980 is. Eighties has no apostrophe.
Great movie, by the way. Watched it again a couple weeks ago.
I think that scene based on a true story but reversed. A lecturer couldn't turn up for a lecture so he played a tape of himself, then just ended up doing it for subsequent lectures. After a number of lectures, he decided to go along and see how the students were doing, only to find they'd all left tape recorders.
@@MikePhillips-pl6ov Then the University fired the tutor because they had all his teaching recorded ! Then all the kids left the university because they could get it all, at home, on TH-cam, for free !
i think mariah often records ‘live’ versions days/weeks/hours before particular performances which is why we have countless variations in style and tone.
i take it pretty easy on mariah, not that i agree with all the lipping. we know and have proof she was once an unbelievably incredible naturally talented live vocalist. it must be very difficult for someone to accept changes in their voice that the whole world will notice. mariah is still a very capable studio vocalist and shows rare moments of good live singing.
You need to listen to So Hyang from Korea. She is the best live performer I have ever heard. No lip syncing, no auto-tune. She can sing Mariah under the table, especially after watching this. I am not nationalistically bias as I am a fellow citizen with Mariah.
@@tom7471 Sohyang is also a super high soprano gospel singer, that's why she can handle any note. But the issue here is not the same. Mariah is not that high of a soprano(mixed voice wise), just like Whitney, Céline, they were middle belters, and the women voice lower with age, just like men, the difference is that their voices take longer to mature, where men are already matured when they go through puberty. To maintain the same level of performance they would need to sing either like mezzo or alto(like Adele) or sing with a heady voice, like Patti Labelle and Aretha did, but these singers dont/didnt want neither, they want to pretend they have the same voice through lip sync.
@@tom7471 she's not that Good.
@@tom7471, she learned how to do everything by emulating Mariah. There is no singing her under the table; there would be no So Hyang without Mariah first.
When I watch Mariah sing live (and not synced) nobody is as disappointed with her vocal, as she is. You can tell that she knows exactly what she can and can't do, and is disappointed, you can see it in her eyes. I think more confidence, and being in a little better physical shape would do wonders for her voice. At the end of the day, she knows more about the female voice than even the mighty Wings of Pegasus does, she's just trying to give the fans a good show and unfortunately has decided that means lip syncing a lot of it. We're in a new territory where we haven't had these great singers who are still performing late in life, and people expect them to hit their notes. I wish people like Mariah would normalize reworking the songs so that we can get it a little lower and she can give us a new version of it instead of attempting the same key.
Love these analyses.
I'm beginning to worry about Fil's mental health. I appreciate that he's doing the listening. I just couldn't
My trio just did a live show last night at a local popular venue, and I can proudly say that our vocals, both of them, were all original and we plug our mics directly into an analog board with onboard reverb effects turned on, only. Our other singer, Lisa, sang with very strong voice all night, for two and a half hours, and she was on pitch with her lead melodies and with her harmonies on my songs. I sang strongly all night as well. If these mega stars can no longer sing live shows correctly, I feel for them and I think they should retire. Thanks for the analysis, Fil!
Hear! Hear!
I think they should sing live or retire also but we are talking millions of dollars tours so they go out and do wathever needed to go through the shows.
@@alancarver2511 Yeah, follow the money!
I can't understand why so many people think it's fine for supposed 'professional' singers at the top of their game to mime or use autotune live, and are happy to pay huge money for tickets to catch a glimpse of these stars in massive venues where you have to watch on a screen.
I'd much rather see genuine musicians like you in a local venue where there is a real connection between performer and audience. 😊
@@Feirin332 haha! Or go to a football match to see holograms projected onto the pitch, playing a prerecorded game... 😆😱
Strange that this channel is allowed, it completely exposes the music industry as being nothing but a gigantic hoax!
But i love it, because i suspected this many years ago!!
The movie Singing In The rain exists.
His channel will be deleted for "mutiple copyright strikes" once the right person hears about what he's doing.
EVERYTHING is a gigantic hoax
Haha! Overdubbing live music is the most innocent of the hoaxes being perpetrated!
@@gantmj Sad but true. There's Billions involved. Eventually they'll suck the Layers on Fil. I'll hate seeing that, he's just telling the truth. In the USA he's protected by Copyright "Fair Use", but not 100%. Elsewhere, no idea. And defending any lawsuit is expensive. Let alone TH-cam just deleting his channel. That would all suck because he's a good guy, not mean. Or maybe they just figure he's a grain of sand on the beach. Not enough to make a dent. The fans will just keep paying for the illusion. It never stopped "Top of the Pops" or American Bandstand. I hope they take note, but leave him be.
YESS!!! Get in there Fil!!! You’re on the case!! 👌👌👌
I am not an analyst like Fil; he is a highly qualified musician analyzing a vocal performance. He is also a great teacher! I could hear the change in the vocal from live to pre-recoded 😊TY Analysis Yoda!
Phil does a good job.
This is so, so interesting - really appreciate all the hard work you put into this. I would never have dreamed that an artist would go to these extremes
Unbelievable dedication and effort Fil, thank you. Mariah Carey should be given the title "the cut and paste live performer".
The queen of lip sync !
Great update as always Fil
"I am the great Oz! Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain." Absolutely love it Fil. Never a dull moment.😉
Exactly! 😂
On a side note, loving the SRV & DT shirt!
I saw SRV as well as others greats at Reading 83 , didn’t know it at the time the reality of how good he was , bottle wars until he started playing his 🎸 , I was there for Lizzy’s last U.K. stand 🥲🤜🏼🤛🏽
✨💖💞💖✨ thank you dear Fil🎸 it‘s always a joy to listen to you 😁👏🏽👏🏼👏🏾👏
She sang live for years. Now the audience wants to hear the songs sung the same way they were 20-30 years ago and when it's not perfect (ie: NYE) they rag on her. She has been using variations of the same pre-recordings for years. Lambs have always known.
Fraudulent.
She's been lipping (at least all the high belting parts) as early as 1998 so yeah...
I went to school for audio engineering back in early 2000's. Our teachers and engineers had long histories of mixing some of the largest names prior.
They all talked of live pitch correction and pre-recorded shows where the artist could adlib to the crowd in small sections where their mic would be live - but other than that, a lot of the big shows were pre recorded and played back.
Autotune has been available for a very long time.
Great work, Fil! I'm impressed! I'm not surprised by Mariah or the music industry.
Do CHER next! She recorded "I hope you find it" at 68 years old and sounded young. Now at 78 she has said on her book tour that she's going to be recording a new album.
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So she recorded the original songs but also recorded tons and tons of takes to use for these back/lip tracks? It sounds like Mariah Carey has just been constantly singing-exactly what I would expect.
I think what she's doing is she can still sing a lot of that, in studio after a few takes in good conditions, so some of those backing tracks are modern. That's why there's so many different 'takes', she's actually able to pull some of that off. In my opinion, she's still a fantastic singer even though live she can't do the acrobatics she used to do. This is a thing we're going to have with any amazing female singer when they get a little older, nobody can pull that off forever. Martina McBride is another example, an amazing singer who aged on us and now is trying to figure out how to continue performing when your body, no matter how much you take care of yourself, just isn't going to allow you to sing like that forever. I cut Mariah a lot of slack.
This is crazy, people should know this is happening.
Exactly . She’s a scammer more than a singer
I think miming in pop music is a widely known fact. However, it's really cool to see it proven beyond a doubt.
@@shadowselfCA excatly, plus, she wrote the songs herself, ain't no scam to me
@@ArtbyKurtisEdwards Letting the audience believe that she is actually performing and not miming is pretty scammy, but most pop fans should know by now that they don't go to a concert to hear a pop singer perform, they go to watch them glitter and sparkle.
I’ve truly suspected this for years. YEARS. Just had no one to discuss it with 😅 Mariah, these days, sings VERY FEW words live. All the rest is lip synced over pre recorded tracks. You’ve got to have a keen eye, but it is evident.
I just saw her performance at Madison Square Garden, again after a long time; I could have just played the CD.
You are an angel! Thanks for the great work!
I LOVE seein Filly’s sub count soar!! These “BUSTED!” vids are gonna get him over 1M! 😄
Youre amazing dude, nice work!
The amount of work you have put into this video is incredible. It's greatly appreciated
Your analyses are brilliant. Amazing how secrets just always come out. Even after 20 years ❤
A few months ago I was watching a recent live performance by John Mellencamp. I said to my wife, 'It's sad to see that his voice has gotten this bad." I went back the other day and found the video. It was like a breath of fresh air because he's out there enjoying singing his songs as much as he did when he first wrote them. It's not really hard to appreciate these performances even though voice quality isn't the same. All you need to do is remember how bad the music industry has gotten.
I was thinking about that with Paul McCartney
Mellencamp's lifetime nicotine addiction certainly hasn't helped. His lungs must look like bubble wrap.
Same thing with Springsteen. His voice has held up better than Mellencamp’s but they do things live like drop the key. And sometimes he’s sharp/flat. Sad that this stuff is going on with modern pop music but I’m not surprised at all.
Saw a 92 yr old Willie Nelson, beautiful. When he can’t sing songs he has his son perform. A real pro and happy to hear his authenticity and emotion of pushing an aged voice to do his best. Emotion is more important than pitch.
@@stevenothingspecial
Singing SHOULD be primarily about emotion - about feeling.
What good is robotic, pieced-together pitch perfection, without the feeling of someone pouring out their emotions live, and your heart responding?
Music detective - a new profession!
Hi Fil, Thank you for another fun and educational analysis! Watch those rabbit holes, lol! Wtg on getting another 1000 subscribers to your channel! Love and Rock! 🥰
Mariah is the single most intricate lip syncer in history. She has one performance where she takes a singular word with two syllables and lips the first syllable while singing the second syllable live. She has another song where she switches from live to lip back to live then to lip etc like 12 times within a song. She has more re recordings to lip to then just 1, and likes to keep it fresh or harder to peg by being so inconsistently crazy with her lipping.
A bit of sarc?
If that's true, surely it'd just be easier to sing the damn song live, unless she's just genuinely incapable of actually singing without the pitch correction, of course...
@wot4me2 nope, zero sarcasm. 100% valid.
Yes you are correct
this is true. if you are a lamb you know what's what
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Congrats on 442k
Maybe this explains why I always thought she was over-rated. Her "voice" always grated on me. Makes sense after watching this! Great video, Fil!
What you explain at around 14:00 sounds like movie editing. Lots of takes are shot and then they select the best bits here and there and put them together in the editing room for the end product
Good heavens!
Should we 😂 or 😭?
Thank you, Fil! 🖤🤘🏽
Fil - you are SUCH a geek ! 🤣🤣🤣 - AND IT'S FASCINATING 🙏
I have to say it crisp and clear:
You are the ultimate soap bubble destroyer.🤣
Fil, thank you for listening to people lip-syncing so that we won't have to.
This is THE BEST!!! It's fascinating to see and hear these performances! Well done Fil!
Imagine going to a metallica concert, the 4 walk on stage, and they hit play..... Wow.
Some intros to their live songs are from the album, and it's clear as day when they "swap" over to them actually playing.
I think this is the first time i heard the difference
Im an old man but used to run front of house sound for a rock cover band for 7 years.
My ear used to be so good i could cancel out the entire song and listen to a cymbal.
I was also a bass player and me and guitar player got a 16 track Tascam with 1" tape and the newest drum machine made at the time.
We recorded well over 50 songs and sent them everywhere but he got tied up with a yankee chick and i happily got married and moved back home.
Im still married . He still plays cover bands doing the same songs we did in 1982.
His only son is in NYC and we are on the texas coast.
Oh he had written one song that was cecentvand i wrote 2. Idk where the recordings are.
They can't fool Fil!! Thank you for this! 🪨!✊🏼
This is really interesting. I'm a fan of Mariah's since I was little in the 90s. I am also a trained pianist. It's not bad to know the inner workings of big performances. I appreciate your analysis and though sometimes it goes a little over my head as I'm not a vocalist and I'm not trained in music production, I watch with curiosity.
I went to a Sting concert this summer and heard him use some backing tracks for vocals and instruments. He sang most of this concert live, but some parts were quite obviously prerecorded takes.
I was wondering when we were going to start seeing producers getting clever with comp takes and trying to fool us with the backing tracks being changed here and there, but I didn't know they were already doing it! This must have been going on for some time now and will be a trick used by more and more as the truth starts to come out. Great work Fil.
Wow. Even I could hear the difference in the 2005 performance when it went from live to prerecorded.
It was very obvious to a good pair of ears !
@@rogl3W I'm sure many people would not have noticed the difference had it not been brought to our attention. I'm so glad you have 'a pair of good ears'. .
@@bunker123sugar I wouldn’t have known.
Nice work again Fil. The sound of pitch correction is always slightly metallic especially on longer notes
Welcome to the party... this is definitely common knowledge among the Lambily for DECADES
Not until 2024 when I can’t take it anymore coz EVERY SINGLE DAMN CONCERT was 96% lip sync 😂 it wasn’t that bad previously
We need honest, God given, beautiful voices to sing above machines!
So what I get from most of your videos that most are lip syncing or not live..pre-recorded... And I totally get this because if you look at the age of the people that are singing most of their songs from awhile ago there voices should be way different because of the changing of our voice as we get older. I'm a singer and I do not sound like I used to And my voice sounds now totally different. I can't hit the notes like I used to. I think one great singer Tony Bennett was pretty great with his voice over the years...❤ Thank you for all your analysis on these songs.You're just telling the truth and people are asking you for it.I think you're grand...❤🎼🎵🎶and such a cuite😊
@Willi-Wucher what are you trying to say..WOP???..and I don't care what a artist does..just don't lie about it...
Listening to an interview with my favourite singer they said that they are having to work harder to keep that upper register going while their lower register is deepening, that singer is now in their early 40s. listening to them live you can hear the difference in their voice from when they were in their 20s.
Another singer I have admired since I was a teenager (I'm 68) but only got to hear her live in the early 2000's her voice had matured but still could hit the highs that she did way back in the late 60's she is now 75, still touring and singing folk and rock music. Sometimes meeting your youth's heroes is wonderful experience. Sonja Kristina, of Curved Air, wonderful lady that first gave me goosebumps listening to her sing Back Street Luv, Frank Mills and Cold as a Rose in Snow.
@@Willi-Wucher ohhh haha...gotcha!☺️
@Alicatt1 Yes...so if they sound different it's okay...I have seen Micky Dolenz of the Monkees a few times...he doesn't sound the same but it's okay...I still love him and I am Monkee Fan!!
Naw! Not just Tony whom I love, but most of the great singers from back then, Sarah Vaughn, Ella, Nancy Wilson, Peggy Lee, Johnny Mathis, the Golden Fog, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Jr. They were pop and jazz singers who took their art as seriously as an opera singer who has to sing live over a 70 piece orchestra. Live opera proves that it is possible to sing without all that junk. My voice teacher taught both future opera and Broadway singers. Technique training is what is needed or just a good natural voice.
Thank you Fil for everything you're doing and stay awesome !!