Not yet. Its always a cycle. In the 80s fantasy boomed and then it was almost gone. Then fantasy and great sf in a way dominated TV in the 90s. An with the 2000er began the time of fantasy in cinema. I mean there was also twilight. It was a success although it is really really bad and paved the way to our todays romantasy phase. It will change. Without pushing it. With people who would love to tell a story and not because they want to sell it. Later one will always be mediocre at first. Streaming made it all harder. Just wait.
Adaptations are difficult. There are many great fantasy books, and a few great fantasy movies and series (both original and adaptations), but counting on adaptations seems pointless. If you're prepared for heavy epic fantasy, you could read Malazan, but be prepared for how 'much' it is, and that it will probably never be adapted. If what you want is specifically reading and watching the same thing, then you're going to have more luck with animation (particularly anime adaptations of light novels) than live action.
Whether anything becomes a phenomenon is purely subjective to whether it appeals to a large enough fan base and whether there is a director out there that believes in putting it on the big screen for all to enjoy. It's not something that can be forced unless you have very deep pockets and even then you might be able to produce it but you can't make anyone like it. The "LOTR" was animated a few times but until it was produced in 2001 it wasn't really even possible to portray it on the big screen because CGI wasn't up to the task until then. Now if you get a novel like "HP" and someone decides to tackle it, it can be on the screen within a few years of being written. There are lots of series that have potential but many of them can't be made to flourish in today's climate. The "Alvin Prentice" series has potential but the author has been labeled a "phobe" so that won't happen. The "Chronicles of Thomas Covenant" is another with potential but there is a problematic assault in one of the books so that also has to be scratched off the list. Most purists would tell you that the "Dune" stories could still be remade yet again because none of the versions we've seen on the screen have been true to the storyline in the book and the latest version tends to sprinkle far too much current politics into the script. Even the "Foundation" story that is out now little resembles the storyline in the books. I do sympathize there a bit because those novels truly put the "slow" back into "slow burn." I've not watched the TV series but I know that the films based on "The Vampire Chronicles" didn't begin to explore all that was in those books. Even "A Space Odyssey" was a series that was never fully explored on the screen. Even what was covered in "2010" still left almost half of the story untold. There have been a few adaptations of HP Lovecraft's stories but once again, he's considered to have been a racist which I think scares directors away from doing more with the vast and intricate collection he wrote. There is material out there, it lacks someone behind it to give it momentum and people are too quick to shoot them down because of coming from a time where ideologies were different than today. Sadly, I don't see much in the way of current fiction that has what it takes to become a phenomenon and the younger generations will never know the older stuff even exists if they aren't exposed to it. But then you have things like the "Twilight" series that becomes something of a phenomenon even though it has no right to be. I mean, two films that were little more than listening to an insufferable whiny brat pleading "turn me, turn me" and then the third ended up being the ultimate "take back." Who could have guessed that it would have been so popular and how much of that popularity was derived from bare male chests exposed on the big screen and how much from the excellent story telling? When the next big phenomenon happens it will happen in it's own time as they always do and it may or may not be a story line that appeals to each and every one of us. Like everything in life, you either pick up your torch and make it happen or sit back and wait until someone else does it. (And there are a lot more older series with potential out there, I barely even scratched the surface with the few I mentioned.)
I agree, though I can imagine fans of The First Law and Stormlight Archive would be screaming that they have a phenomenon or at least a series that deserves to be a phenomenon! (I don't agree) perhaps Fantasy adaptations are over saturated or there have been too many disappointments. I look to Science Fiction for adaptations and while there have been some good ones I am not sure Fantasy or Science Fiction will supply a phenomenon like Game Of Thrones anytime soon, though I hope I am wrong. The Dark Tower is being made into a series...it could be good, but could it be a show that has everyone talking like Game Of Thrones? Probably not unfortunately.
Thank you for your comment. Btw, did you notice that the only fantasy series I mention frequently are Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and A Song of Ice and Fire? There's a solid reason behind this: they're the strongest household names. People still love them, they still read the books and watch the films/show, even though the phenomenon ended years ago. I thought of other series: Narnia, Percy Jackson, His Dark Materials, but their adaptations all failed to capture mass audience (even though I love the first Narnia film). Phenomenon isn't simply about popularity, in my understanding, it's also about lasting value. Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings have it. Despite the questionable show ending and barely any book ending A Song of Ice and Fire is close to that.
@@RockstarWizardess I'd also say that Game Of Thrones other than just being that damn good, had a shock value that just isn't easy for other things to replicate. We live in hope!
Potter and GoT puts you in the Millennial generation so you've had your day. Besides true classics don't happen along every day or even every generation as gen-zee never got anything and looking at the tablet generation I doubt they'll be inspired by anything either. You're going to have to demand something else because this isn't going to happen.
Why are you even making this video? Women are pushing men (who write epic fantasy mostly) out of publishing spaces and you women think epic fantasy is "problematic". 💀
Yes. It's an issue... but! Self-publishing is still available for men who really wanna tell (this kind of) stories. It's not the same, sure, it's harder to get noticed, but it's still possible. And I watched quite a few videos/channel where women talk about their writing experiences. The all KDP Self-published authors. And pretty much nothing from men. Men were pushed away, but apparently also discouraged to do anything about it. I'm sorry, but if certain group were defeated (publishing), they leave and give up (esp. if they are more talented in this area, as we assume)... well, too bad. Because the opportunity is still here, thanks to Amazon and other platforms. And women don't write epic fantasy, you are correct, the write bubbly soft/romantacy/kink, so the area is up for grabbing. And we also need to add what gaming is on the rise, and girlies are not the target audience. A lot of potential fantasy readers just became fantasy gamers, so this might also explain female dominance.
well maybe read something from german authors. Men like Heitz dominate the fantasy genre here and its written for adults. Grim and epic. And there are other countries as well who dont give a damn about the gender in any way of the author. I just read two great fantasy books from two japanese authors. Yes not all are translated but its the demand who will lead to it. In the end the demand of the byers will always be the answer in this market or another
How is it that women are pushing men out of publishing spaces? I can't even think how that would be done. Publishers' decisions ultimately come down to money. They publish and market what will sell. I truly don't think there is some nefarious army of female authors conspiring to push men out of the industry. This just sounds silly and bitter.
@@lenora22 it's not only about authors. It's about the publisher staffrooms mostly hiring women. Women who will hire and promote other women for feministic reasons + personal preferences. You can see it in other entertainment areas, from comic books to movies. Force is female, let's make SW about space lesbo witches for other women and Tumbler weirdos. And hiring an anti-patriarchy Iranian filmmaker with experience in docu. To stick it to men. And countless examples. Some are delusional to think it will increase viewership without losing men, some just wanna destroy something men love, as they are not afraid to admit. They lose nothing, it's the studio's money, and they will usually be hired back for the next one. Or the comic industry which basically collapsed years ago. It started with tokenized hires. Major publisher. Those girls were hired with zero experience, just because they were women. And that's everywhere. I'm just rambling at this point. Anyway, back to the book topic. You can see Jon Del Arroz's channel, he talks quite a lot about what's happening in SFF circuits, and this video. You might disagree. th-cam.com/video/DvRNnRqbYpI/w-d-xo.html
Not yet. Its always a cycle. In the 80s fantasy boomed and then it was almost gone. Then fantasy and great sf in a way dominated TV in the 90s. An with the 2000er began the time of fantasy in cinema. I mean there was also twilight. It was a success although it is really really bad and paved the way to our todays romantasy phase.
It will change. Without pushing it. With people who would love to tell a story and not because they want to sell it. Later one will always be mediocre at first. Streaming made it all harder.
Just wait.
Great video. I hope to see a new fantasy phenomenon emerge soon, the world needs it...
Adaptations are difficult. There are many great fantasy books, and a few great fantasy movies and series (both original and adaptations), but counting on adaptations seems pointless.
If you're prepared for heavy epic fantasy, you could read Malazan, but be prepared for how 'much' it is, and that it will probably never be adapted.
If what you want is specifically reading and watching the same thing, then you're going to have more luck with animation (particularly anime adaptations of light novels) than live action.
Whether anything becomes a phenomenon is purely subjective to whether it appeals to a large enough fan base and whether there is a director out there that believes in putting it on the big screen for all to enjoy. It's not something that can be forced unless you have very deep pockets and even then you might be able to produce it but you can't make anyone like it. The "LOTR" was animated a few times but until it was produced in 2001 it wasn't really even possible to portray it on the big screen because CGI wasn't up to the task until then. Now if you get a novel like "HP" and someone decides to tackle it, it can be on the screen within a few years of being written. There are lots of series that have potential but many of them can't be made to flourish in today's climate. The "Alvin Prentice" series has potential but the author has been labeled a "phobe" so that won't happen. The "Chronicles of Thomas Covenant" is another with potential but there is a problematic assault in one of the books so that also has to be scratched off the list. Most purists would tell you that the "Dune" stories could still be remade yet again because none of the versions we've seen on the screen have been true to the storyline in the book and the latest version tends to sprinkle far too much current politics into the script. Even the "Foundation" story that is out now little resembles the storyline in the books. I do sympathize there a bit because those novels truly put the "slow" back into "slow burn." I've not watched the TV series but I know that the films based on "The Vampire Chronicles" didn't begin to explore all that was in those books. Even "A Space Odyssey" was a series that was never fully explored on the screen. Even what was covered in "2010" still left almost half of the story untold. There have been a few adaptations of HP Lovecraft's stories but once again, he's considered to have been a racist which I think scares directors away from doing more with the vast and intricate collection he wrote. There is material out there, it lacks someone behind it to give it momentum and people are too quick to shoot them down because of coming from a time where ideologies were different than today. Sadly, I don't see much in the way of current fiction that has what it takes to become a phenomenon and the younger generations will never know the older stuff even exists if they aren't exposed to it. But then you have things like the "Twilight" series that becomes something of a phenomenon even though it has no right to be. I mean, two films that were little more than listening to an insufferable whiny brat pleading "turn me, turn me" and then the third ended up being the ultimate "take back." Who could have guessed that it would have been so popular and how much of that popularity was derived from bare male chests exposed on the big screen and how much from the excellent story telling? When the next big phenomenon happens it will happen in it's own time as they always do and it may or may not be a story line that appeals to each and every one of us. Like everything in life, you either pick up your torch and make it happen or sit back and wait until someone else does it. (And there are a lot more older series with potential out there, I barely even scratched the surface with the few I mentioned.)
I will bring it
I agree, though I can imagine fans of The First Law and Stormlight Archive would be screaming that they have a phenomenon or at least a series that deserves to be a phenomenon! (I don't agree) perhaps Fantasy adaptations are over saturated or there have been too many disappointments. I look to Science Fiction for adaptations and while there have been some good ones I am not sure Fantasy or Science Fiction will supply a phenomenon like Game Of Thrones anytime soon, though I hope I am wrong. The Dark Tower is being made into a series...it could be good, but could it be a show that has everyone talking like Game Of Thrones? Probably not unfortunately.
Thank you for your comment.
Btw, did you notice that the only fantasy series I mention frequently are Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and A Song of Ice and Fire? There's a solid reason behind this: they're the strongest household names. People still love them, they still read the books and watch the films/show, even though the phenomenon ended years ago.
I thought of other series: Narnia, Percy Jackson, His Dark Materials, but their adaptations all failed to capture mass audience (even though I love the first Narnia film). Phenomenon isn't simply about popularity, in my understanding, it's also about lasting value. Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings have it. Despite the questionable show ending and barely any book ending A Song of Ice and Fire is close to that.
@@RockstarWizardess I'd also say that Game Of Thrones other than just being that damn good, had a shock value that just isn't easy for other things to replicate. We live in hope!
Potter and GoT puts you in the Millennial generation so you've had your day. Besides true classics don't happen along every day or even every generation as gen-zee never got anything and looking at the tablet generation I doubt they'll be inspired by anything either. You're going to have to demand something else because this isn't going to happen.
Why are you even making this video?
Women are pushing men (who write epic fantasy mostly) out of publishing spaces and you women think epic fantasy is "problematic". 💀
Yes. It's an issue... but! Self-publishing is still available for men who really wanna tell (this kind of) stories. It's not the same, sure, it's harder to get noticed, but it's still possible. And I watched quite a few videos/channel where women talk about their writing experiences. The all KDP Self-published authors. And pretty much nothing from men. Men were pushed away, but apparently also discouraged to do anything about it. I'm sorry, but if certain group were defeated (publishing), they leave and give up (esp. if they are more talented in this area, as we assume)... well, too bad. Because the opportunity is still here, thanks to Amazon and other platforms. And women don't write epic fantasy, you are correct, the write bubbly soft/romantacy/kink, so the area is up for grabbing. And we also need to add what gaming is on the rise, and girlies are not the target audience. A lot of potential fantasy readers just became fantasy gamers, so this might also explain female dominance.
And western women think everything is problematic, this is not an issue. :)
well maybe read something from german authors. Men like Heitz dominate the fantasy genre here and its written for adults. Grim and epic. And there are other countries as well who dont give a damn about the gender in any way of the author. I just read two great fantasy books from two japanese authors.
Yes not all are translated but its the demand who will lead to it.
In the end the demand of the byers will always be the answer in this market or another
How is it that women are pushing men out of publishing spaces? I can't even think how that would be done. Publishers' decisions ultimately come down to money. They publish and market what will sell. I truly don't think there is some nefarious army of female authors conspiring to push men out of the industry. This just sounds silly and bitter.
@@lenora22 it's not only about authors. It's about the publisher staffrooms mostly hiring women. Women who will hire and promote other women for feministic reasons + personal preferences. You can see it in other entertainment areas, from comic books to movies. Force is female, let's make SW about space lesbo witches for other women and Tumbler weirdos. And hiring an anti-patriarchy Iranian filmmaker with experience in docu. To stick it to men. And countless examples. Some are delusional to think it will increase viewership without losing men, some just wanna destroy something men love, as they are not afraid to admit. They lose nothing, it's the studio's money, and they will usually be hired back for the next one. Or the comic industry which basically collapsed years ago. It started with tokenized hires. Major publisher. Those girls were hired with zero experience, just because they were women. And that's everywhere. I'm just rambling at this point. Anyway, back to the book topic. You can see Jon Del Arroz's channel, he talks quite a lot about what's happening in SFF circuits, and this video. You might disagree. th-cam.com/video/DvRNnRqbYpI/w-d-xo.html