Valdo Calocane: Brutal Nottingham Killer Avoids Jail, Given Indefinite Hospital Order

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  • A knifeman with paranoid schizophrenia who killed three people and attacked three others in a spate of “atrocities” in Nottingham has been sentenced to an indefinite hospital order.
    Judge Mr Justice Turner said Valdo Calocane, 32, would “very probably” be detained in a high security hospital for the rest of his life after “deliberately and mercilessly” stabbing students Barnaby Webber and Grace O’Malley-Kumar, both 19, and school caretaker Ian Coates, 65, in the early hours of June 13 last year.
    He told the killer: “You committed a series of atrocities in this city which ended the lives of three people.
    “Your sickening crimes both shocked the nation and wrecked the lives of your surviving victims and the families of them all.”
    He said the “harrowing” details of the attacks have been “fully recounted and explored” in court over the past days and Calocane sentenced many relatives and friends to “a life of grief and pain”.
    The judge told the triple killer: “There was never any doubt that it was you who had committed these appalling crimes.
    “It soon became clear however, that the central issue in this case would relate to whether at the time of committing these offences you were suffering from symptoms of severe mental disorder.”
    The judge added that the psychiatric evidence did not detract from the “horror” and “disastrous” impact of the offences, but he said, in his view, Calocane’s abnormality of mind had “significantly contributed” to him perpetrating the string of attacks.
    Despite being detained in high security Ashworth Hospital since November, Mr Justice Turner said he still “remains dangerous”.
    Emma Webber, mother of Nottingham stabbings victim Barnaby Webber, said outside court that “true justice has not been served today”, adding the families of Valdo Calocane’s victims had been “let down” by the CPS and police after the triple killer was handed an indefinite hospital order.
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  • @talktv
    @talktv  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    Should brutal Nottingham killer Valdo Calocane have been sent to jail instead?

    • @tomhollandroberts1737
      @tomhollandroberts1737 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@alanbraham3981We musn't offend the dark people.!!!
      Why aren't there any of these people on the balcony of Buckingham Palace ???

    • @alexd7029
      @alexd7029 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@alanbraham3981:- Nonsense. The independent doctors who reported are known to collude together as most do.

    • @Khultan
      @Khultan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Yes.

    • @dianecameron137
      @dianecameron137 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      go take your meds you have well and truly lost it @@alanbraham3981

    • @timothyossei-berkoh9775
      @timothyossei-berkoh9775 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      No. He has mental health issues which were ignored. This tragedy is so sad 😢!

  • @jackieo8235
    @jackieo8235 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +109

    Disgusting, absolutely shameful of our judiciary. So now the tax payers pay for him.

  • @seandelap8587
    @seandelap8587 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +153

    Under no circumstances should this guy be ever allowed out of prison

    • @edda682
      @edda682 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      He's in a cushy hospital.

    • @Secret_Squirrel_Scottishgamer
      @Secret_Squirrel_Scottishgamer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@edda682 he will escape guaranteed

    • @dave20thmay
      @dave20thmay 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@Secret_Squirrel_Scottishgamer
      No some do gooder will say he's not longer a problem. He should be freed to enrich our lives. Do we need the likes of him here?

    • @Secret_Squirrel_Scottishgamer
      @Secret_Squirrel_Scottishgamer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@dave20thmay course not.. but this crazy society loves all this chaos going on at least until the british people put down their phones go outside and actually voice their opinion in ways we are no longer allowed.

    • @Secret_Squirrel_Scottishgamer
      @Secret_Squirrel_Scottishgamer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@dave20thmay Just to clarify im referring to protesting that has been disallowed recently because it seems like the foreign protests now take precident because if you try to protest against them you get shut down.

  • @myrants5836
    @myrants5836 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +140

    Absolute disgrace. He should have been given life without parole.

    • @Freewoman76
      @Freewoman76 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Yes in a secure mental hospital

    • @jujutrini8412
      @jujutrini8412 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It is more or less the same. He won’t be let out.

    • @Hellndegenerates
      @Hellndegenerates 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Did it even happen

    • @edda682
      @edda682 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are you sure?@@jujutrini8412

    • @sharonrowland9030
      @sharonrowland9030 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He was let out before.they didn't deem hm a risk.
      ​@@jujutrini8412

  • @georgetoland3007
    @georgetoland3007 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    The public need protection from the judge also

  • @jonsnow6741
    @jonsnow6741 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    He should be deported asap and should not be here given his actions .

    • @JimmyFisherTV
      @JimmyFisherTV 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Thousands spent on him being in a hospital now for god knows how long, country is run by fairies now

    • @wendydavies1301
      @wendydavies1301 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@JimmyFisherTV Millions and depend on how long he is there as well as the cost of the case. There are schizophrenics and paranoid schizophrenics who are medicated and can live a relatively normalised life. I'm not saying they are perfect and can have episodes.

    • @TigerBoyX15
      @TigerBoyX15 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And those he is bred from living here

    • @eosohand
      @eosohand 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Immigrants shouldn’t even be in the uk they need to leave men and women and kids

  • @johngreen6191
    @johngreen6191 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    Millions down the drain looking after him. Many lives taken and ruined. Amazing how we find the money for this but not for our own. Disgusting.

    • @flyinghigh2701
      @flyinghigh2701 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're an evil white man and they dispise you...that's why they don't cough up money for our own.

  • @georgethepatriot2785
    @georgethepatriot2785 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    Dont fancy being the Hospital staff. The families have a LIFE SENTENCE. Lessons will not be learnt

    • @jamiemcgow2041
      @jamiemcgow2041 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah costs about a quarter of a million pounds a year too

    • @TigerBoyX15
      @TigerBoyX15 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Imports are brought in Deliberately to destroy all we hold dear to our Lives and Country...The Govt needs to be sued for this...

  • @TheEnglishOne
    @TheEnglishOne 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Dont ever ask again why people wont fight for this country..... dont ever ask such a stupid question again

  • @denisewoods6389
    @denisewoods6389 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Absolutely disgusting he is a murderer and it was murder not manslaughter

  • @TheLillipuss
    @TheLillipuss 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    The poor families! If the government now admit he was not well, that means that he should NOT have been on the streets in the first place! This is a system failure. Absolutely tragic

    • @cynthiamorris1874
      @cynthiamorris1874 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, the biggest failure in this country is letting these maniacs in here in the first place.

    • @HELLO-b1p
      @HELLO-b1p 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How many more like him on the streets now as we speak

  • @Freewoman76
    @Freewoman76 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    So a seriously ill and potentially dangerous person was not being looked after in the first place?
    Whoever invented the policy of care in the community is the one guilty for his crimes.

    • @sharrondonovan7155
      @sharrondonovan7155 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think we have come to understand that recent Governments in power have not put its citizens first. The laws need changing to ensure its citizens are kept safe. Undocumented mostly men entering our country illegally, without individual proof of the basic identity proof. Country of origin, age etc. Sunak has lied so many times regarding illegals, they are allowed out in our communities, now they can work with vulnerable people….but the Government needs workers. Human rights of UK citizens should always come first.
      That shall never bring these 3 beautiful people back. They have been let down by the system. My thoughts and prayers are with the family’s at this time.

    • @davidmullen6011
      @davidmullen6011 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's a huge problem. I have some experience with this as a Neighbour (supposedly) has mental health issues and on each occasion the police are called in on his behaviour the response is always to defer to him. His 'condition' takes precedence and the Police don't want to take it on. Understandable in a way as the Mental health card has become the equivalent of a 10 tonne block of Kryptonite to authorities - any whiff of 'mental health' terrifies them, and they simply do not want to get involved. At all.
      I have some small sympathy for the Police with the Nottingham incident as this is such an extreme individual, extremely violent, but protected by the law and the Mental Health card. In the end no one in authority wanted to take his problem on as he was so unpredictable, and the facilities were not there - it was a form of passing the buck and turning the cheek.
      But the reality is that this example is the merest tip of the Iceberg. And up and down the country Authoritiies do not want to take on the problem and reality of these sort of people, some genuinely ill, and some playing on it to the hilt....

    • @professorcalvert8126
      @professorcalvert8126 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly. If the proper measures were in place this might not have happened

    • @natbarron
      @natbarron 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@professorcalvert8126blah blah hindsight 20 20. Stop giving him excuses. He literally murdered 3 innocent people. Try and convince the victims families and the broader community that he deserves mercy! 🤦‍♂️

  • @sharonkragh3249
    @sharonkragh3249 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    An absolute disgrace, our justice service needs overhauling, he should be in prison for life with no parole.

  • @jujutrini8412
    @jujutrini8412 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    Mental health authorities and police hold a great deal of responsibility for this tragedy. The Tories are the ones who brought in the stupid “care in the community” policy.

    • @ukqwerty999
      @ukqwerty999 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Labour voters just can't help themselves, it's become a mental illness

    • @rakhimukerji7937
      @rakhimukerji7937 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Money saving

    • @lukeatbrandynightful
      @lukeatbrandynightful 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I got an uncle with schizophrenia, he relapsed during lockdown, it took months to get him sectioned, ruined my grandmas last years, it got to a point where he locked himself in a hotel room, complete mess with him crawling in filth (also has had ms) when the mental authorities finally arrived, they asked him what his name was and what day it was and said he was no danger so couldn’t be took to hospital, just before second lockdown, the radbourne mental health unit in Derby purposely discharged a lot of people with these conditions just to make life easier for them

    • @jujutrini8412
      @jujutrini8412 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lukeatbrandynightful I don’t even have the words to say how I feel about what happened to you and your family. This country is a mess.

    • @lukeatbrandynightful
      @lukeatbrandynightful 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jujutrini8412 thanks, was a really dark time. Others have also been through a lot from incompetence at the radbourne unit, a mother even strangled her baby in there in 2020 and my friends sister killed herself in there last year when she was meant to be on a 15 minute suicide watch

  • @chrisoland
    @chrisoland 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    Shouldn't of been in England in the first place, again its the government who is at fault

    • @tn1340
      @tn1340 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm sorry this comment just makes 0 sense whatsoever. He came to the UK legally as a minor with his family from Portugal. His family are innocent. Are you saying they should stop immigration period, or deported him at the first sign of trouble?

    • @chrisoland
      @chrisoland 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tn1340 yep as that's what would happen to me if I was in another country

    • @tn1340
      @tn1340 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@chrisoland not if you moved there legally and got citizenship

  • @davidmorris9661
    @davidmorris9661 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Just proves how the criminal system doesn't work in this country,how is this justice for the victims,the judge should be ashamed of himself

    • @goldeneddie
      @goldeneddie 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The problem is that the country is run by people who do not have our best interests at heart. Once you understand that, everything they do makes sense.

    • @jamiemcgow2041
      @jamiemcgow2041 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The man was ill. He has committed an offence. He is now detained for the rest of his life probably in a "hospital" with guards.

    • @natbarron
      @natbarron 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jamiemcgow2041the man is a murderer. He committed murder!! Tell the families of the innocent victims how you’re trying downplay his actions.

  • @robharding5345
    @robharding5345 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Mistake after mistake. sectioned 4 times before he committed these awful crimes, How was he ever allowed back in the community, Outrageous decision by the mental health teams involved in this whole debacle.

  • @sallyhobbit1956
    @sallyhobbit1956 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    I hope the staff at the hospital stay safe! Should be in a high security prison segregation unit!

    • @Diamonddavej
      @Diamonddavej 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Ashworth deals with the most dangerous prisoners in the UK, along with Rampton and Broadmoor. Frequently the inmates at those secure mental hospitals are too dangerous for prison, many previously attacked staff and other inmates at prisons and had to be transferred there, where their mental illness, personality disorders, psychopathic rage is kept under control as best as possible, which makes handling them safer to handle for staff and indeed other inmates. They are the equivalent of the US Supermax prisons but with more mental health support. See aerial view of HMP Kennet & Ashworth Psychiatric Hospital, Parkbourne, Maghull, Liverpool, UK

    • @Ette397
      @Ette397 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting to know. Thank you!

    • @thatcatboab
      @thatcatboab 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Diamonddavejand Carstairs in Scotland

  • @randyrustybuts9566
    @randyrustybuts9566 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    he'll be out within 10 years given social housing free benefits and a big two fingers up to all of the British hard-working honest people

    • @jujutrini8412
      @jujutrini8412 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      No he won’t.

    • @enidseddon5052
      @enidseddon5052 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Very well said .this country should have a tougher system like America .if this was America he would have got the death penalty

    • @rachaelray4693
      @rachaelray4693 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@enidseddon5052no they wouldn’t. In America if they’re mentally unwell they don’t even stand trial

    • @robbeales5516
      @robbeales5516 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@enidseddon5052brilliant, no one else would suffer his barbaric attacks

    • @Julietkilo1992
      @Julietkilo1992 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no he wouldn't due to the whole paranoid schizophrenia @@enidseddon5052

  • @joesheppard5960
    @joesheppard5960 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I am astonished he has managed to get into a hospital when he has done the worst crime possible.

    • @martinbrandom2654
      @martinbrandom2654 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hope no one takes the law into their own hands in the hospital.

    • @natbarron
      @natbarron 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@martinbrandom2654I sense sarcasm in your comment

  • @nicholarasdale79
    @nicholarasdale79 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Shouldn’t be here in the first place

  • @tpmbe
    @tpmbe 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    How did this killer ever get British citizenship in the first place ? massive learnings to prevent this happening and protect the public.

  • @tonytucker7359
    @tonytucker7359 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    What’s he doing in this country he’s a west African national?

    • @Eric-qm5xw
      @Eric-qm5xw 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Knife crime ..is disproportionate in certain communities. Surprise surprise..

    • @stevieramone69
      @stevieramone69 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If skin colours were reversed the black community would be rioting in the streets. We’ve become soft

    • @charlottebruce979
      @charlottebruce979 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@Eric-qm5xw that's not answering the question

    • @Eric-qm5xw
      @Eric-qm5xw 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@charlottebruce979 What’s to answer ..immigration is out of control, it’s all by design.

  • @michaelc318
    @michaelc318 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    He should be in high security prison and throw away the key he should never walk are streets again. How many more people from other countries been let in to are country.

  • @Mark-wb8dv
    @Mark-wb8dv 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Wasn't crazy enough to select any fellow black victims in Nottingham where there are loads....strange that?

  • @TheLillipuss
    @TheLillipuss 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    He probably had a bunch of professionals BEGGING to have him sectioned and governments ignored it. They need to listen to the people trying to get them sectioned BEFORE a crime is committed.

    • @jemmajames6719
      @jemmajames6719 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Reminds me of a case a few years ago, a young man and his mum begged the authorities to section him as he wanted to kill people, he ultimately went out and killed a heavily pregnant mum on her way to a maternity appointment. Just one story of so many.

    • @joylove464
      @joylove464 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely right.I have worked in this field and know how frustrating it is.

  • @nicholasgerrish6022
    @nicholasgerrish6022 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    He’ll end up being kept indefinitely in a secure Mental Hospital, such as Broadmoor, which is where Ronnie Kray was sent and where he died. Paranoid Schizophrenia is treatable, but not likely to be cured and plainly this man cannot be allowed out in the community, as he will always pose a risk.

  • @terrysmith5168
    @terrysmith5168 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    Was this not a hate crime then 🤔

    • @civildiscourse7626
      @civildiscourse7626 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Why would it be?

    • @jimrolph1594
      @jimrolph1594 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@civildiscourse7626 Because it wasn’t a spontaneous act he roamed the streets for some time to find his victims
      And surprise surprise they all just happened to be white .
      Premeaditated.

    • @J360-y5x
      @J360-y5x 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Never is when it's the other way round. Typical

  • @sunnyclimes4884
    @sunnyclimes4884 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    British justice does it again.

  • @sylviawillis512
    @sylviawillis512 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    It’s absolutely disgraceful they are letting any criminal into our country.

  • @TheLastSongbird124
    @TheLastSongbird124 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Maybe, Sunak can put such people in penthouse apartments in Sadiq's
    non-white London?

  • @allandickman774
    @allandickman774 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Always in favour of the perpetrator not the victim shocking😮

  • @BIBIWCICC
    @BIBIWCICC 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    All completely preventable by visible police deterrents. Sitting in a police car is not a visible deterrent. We need our police back on the beat walking the streets. We don’t need extra police, we need the ones we have walking the beat and off their phones.

    • @jamiemcgow2041
      @jamiemcgow2041 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have you been following this at all? Deterants? For an insane person? What are you even talkimg about?

  • @CB-dl1vg
    @CB-dl1vg 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    If you’ve ever been close to anybody who has a serious mental illness (schizophrenia, bi polar disorder etc) you understand how difficult it is to get them in hospital and fully sectioned. You literally have to beg the hospital staff to take them in. ‘Care in the community’ is thrust upon you and you are left totally helpless. The nurses and often the psychiatrist have no clue what they’re doing, they learned about serious illness from text books not real life experience. So it does not surprise me that this man, even exhibiting violent behaviour, was not fully sectioned to protect the public. The mental health system in this country is an absolute abomination. Even if they wanted to section him, they wouldn’t have had enough beds and he would have been roaming the community until they had space.

    • @jsmith3980
      @jsmith3980 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He has been sectioned.I trained as a doctor, we get plenty of 'hands-on' experience at med school/clinical. The problem has arisen because there isn't any real 'care in the community'.

    • @CB-dl1vg
      @CB-dl1vg 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jsmith3980 No you don’t. I’ve spoken to too many psychiatrists over decades who try to tell me and others who have decades of personal experience with somebody’s illness that they ‘don’t need sectioning’ when we know exactly what stage the patient is at and what care they need. Our experience is everyday, 7 days a week, since being little kids, too many times in mental health wards… for decades. I’m sorry but your measly stint in a couple of hospitals whilst you read about the rest from text books/ watch some videos in school is completely insufficient. Your interpretation of ‘plenty’ is coming from having 0 experience prior. You’re right, there is no care in the community, so why would these ‘expertly trained’ doctors be recommending it to people who are clearly a danger to themselves and others? ie. People who need to be hospitalised, closely monitored and cared for properly. After 25 years of dealing with that system I can confidently say most in the profession are just making it up as they go along. They are woefully unprepared to provide effective diagnosis and care.

    • @jsmith3980
      @jsmith3980 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      An interesting reply, thanks.I trained in Psychiatry in the late 80s when so-called care in the community was starting to be rolled out. My experience doesn't just come from med school but from close friends who have been sectioned. I agree with most of what you state, @@CB-dl1vg

  • @TomInIreland110
    @TomInIreland110 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Mass. Deportations.

  • @gaynor7947
    @gaynor7947 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Murder with intent carries a life sentence. What the hell! this is not the first time this has happened. This country never fails to amaze me.
    I've never heard of a hospital order?
    Condolences to all the families involved ❤❤❤

    • @gaynor7947
      @gaynor7947 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      35 years for a mugging, threatening the couple with a knife. Yeah, I agree 👍
      This guy murdered 3 people, and people's lives have been ruined. The guy gets a hospital order wtf is going on

    • @Joey-te1uy
      @Joey-te1uy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If you know about schizophrenia then you know why it’s a hospital order. It’s the most serious psychosis a person can have

    • @gaynor7947
      @gaynor7947 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Joey-te1uy OK, how long will he serve 🤔 that's the publics question?

    • @veronikalevtova9506
      @veronikalevtova9506 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Joey-te1uy All that has to do with murders commited by schizophrenics is famously known to lawyers and legal specialists as prone to abuse and manipulation. Especially when it comes to clients that tick all required boxes. Medical criteria are easily bent as needed. Therefore don't be in a hurry to sympathize with this cute poor baby who took life of three people and made their loved ones unhappy for life.

  • @valeriegrimshaw1365
    @valeriegrimshaw1365 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Going into secure hospital indefinitely hopefully will be an actual life sentence

  • @gavindouglas7020
    @gavindouglas7020 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Stop emporting these people

  • @tonyhaynes9080
    @tonyhaynes9080 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    So basically he’s got away with it!

    • @mal_752
      @mal_752 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup

    • @michellew4637
      @michellew4637 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. What an absolute travesty of justice!

  • @napoleonsolo7248
    @napoleonsolo7248 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Avoids jail... What a joke the justice system is..

  • @AbsolvedSoul
    @AbsolvedSoul 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    We need to see that the problem is and always has been, the people making the decisions that put us all in danger never have themselves or their loved ones exposed to those same dangers. That needs to change!

  • @Me-gc5cn
    @Me-gc5cn 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Shame on justice Turner!!!

  • @goldeneddie
    @goldeneddie 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    +++ Trust your own eyes and ears - it's not 'political correctness' OR police resources that's the issue. The problem is that the country is run by people who do not have our best interests at heart. Once you understand that, everything they do makes sense.

  • @mrh938
    @mrh938 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    If you are caught in the street with a knife you should go straight to prison for 20 years if u use a knife to hurt someone then if should be life in prison with no chance of parole

    • @martinranalli8572
      @martinranalli8572 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree. The current 2 years is way too lenient.

  • @sisyphussapprentice8976
    @sisyphussapprentice8976 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Having experienced our mental health service first hand, I can guarantee he will be allowed out under "supervision" within 12 months. We won't be informed when it happens, but do not be surprised if we hear of another victim at some stage.
    "Not fit for purpose" doesn't even get close to that part of the NHS's incompetence.

    • @philippedley5073
      @philippedley5073 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I agree, he told the doctors that he was mentally ill and they believed him so when he is ready he will tell them he is no longer mentally ill and they will believe him and let him out.

  • @janiceworsfold7775
    @janiceworsfold7775 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    as long as the government and it's institution is concerned about green matters, that is all they care about. These young adults had the life taken. This is not justice.

  • @WistoneSmith
    @WistoneSmith 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thatcher closed all the secure mental hospital's in the early 80s and replaced it with care in the community.

    • @martinbrandom2654
      @martinbrandom2654 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not a good move. More secure hospitals for mental health patients and drug adicts.

  • @cynthiamorris1874
    @cynthiamorris1874 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The fault is on the people who let him in here, they should do a better job of checking these people. It shouldn’t be the responsibility of everyone else to pick up the pieces.

  • @professorcalvert8126
    @professorcalvert8126 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He should have been monitored before hand. He is dangerous, why was he allowed to roam around by himself?

  • @justwilliam6871
    @justwilliam6871 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This creature isn’t stupid, he’ll be out of Ashworth hospital within five years, and then he’ll do it all over again. Ffs.

  • @julienielsen4462
    @julienielsen4462 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hate crime.

  • @neeramalhan8724
    @neeramalhan8724 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Common excuse - MENTALLY UNSTABLE. ?? 😡

  • @chazza47
    @chazza47 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Julia stop interrupting !!

  • @chieftandriver703
    @chieftandriver703 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I doubt the sentence would have been so lenient had the perpetrator been white

  • @boscinet
    @boscinet 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    He claims he didn't murder. it was his brain, if he is imprisoned for life so will his brain

  • @lukeatbrandynightful
    @lukeatbrandynightful 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I got an uncle with schizophrenia, he relapsed during lockdown, it took months to get him sectioned, ruined my grandmas last years, it got to a point where he locked himself in a hotel room, complete mess with him crawling in filth (also has had ms) when the mental authorities finally arrived, they asked him what his name was and what day it was and said he was no danger so couldn’t be took to hospital, just before second lockdown, the radbourne mental health unit in Derby purposely discharged a lot of people with these conditions just to make life easier for them

  • @joeheaton4927
    @joeheaton4927 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sent to a secure mental institution, wonder if any of the inmates sort him out 🤔🤔

  • @m33ddyhv
    @m33ddyhv 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mark my words, if that was my sister that got killed, this man would not live to see another year. He will suffer in hell for eternity.

  • @Jason-cj3ih
    @Jason-cj3ih 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Just about sums it up 😅
    A Conservative Councillor gets robbed at knife point and the culprits get sentenced 35 years betwean them !
    3 random people get murdered by a man with knife and he gets sentenced to a hospital and could be out in 3 years ...

  • @cpnlsn88
    @cpnlsn88 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is a very irresponsible post. He hasn't avoided jail. He has been dealt with appropriately given his mental illness. He coukd never be convicted of murder and indeed pleaded guilty to manslaughter. He has received an indefinite treatment order in a special hospital and is unlikely to be released.

  • @ConradAinger
    @ConradAinger 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This murderer entered our country in 2008, when the Home Secretary was Jacqui Smith.

  • @harrypalmer7169
    @harrypalmer7169 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Has anyone had enough diversity yet?.

    • @moggpiano8043
      @moggpiano8043 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mentally ill. Nothing to do with "diversity".
      It's a tragedy. Take your childish points scoring elsewhere.

  • @trainedmunkie
    @trainedmunkie 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Ah the mental health defence.
    Again.
    Aa usual.

  • @MHLivestreams
    @MHLivestreams 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Oh, so this is one of the free holidaymakers? okay.

  • @davidmorris9661
    @davidmorris9661 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    And that's funny how lately the lawyers bring up mental health for the clients to get away with crime,this needs to stop,they use it as a excuse,not because it's true

    • @enidseddon5052
      @enidseddon5052 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well said I was thinking the same thing .if this was America he would of got the death penalty this country is a disgrace justice system is an absolute joke

    • @civildiscourse7626
      @civildiscourse7626 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He was sectioned 4 times BEFORE this happened…so clearly it’s not made up as an excuse

  • @trevordutton634
    @trevordutton634 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I wonder if the police sorted this out so quickly because he was a counciller.

  • @henryfrost8542
    @henryfrost8542 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Everything I hear that is going on in the UK is awful, the country is done for by the whole system.

  • @suzannebraham5138
    @suzannebraham5138 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The fact is he has murdered, weather he is mental or not he deserves a prison sentence probably there's over crowding in jails so that is why he is sent to hospital for the crimminaly insane he should Never be let out!!

  • @martinranalli8572
    @martinranalli8572 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    British justice is way too lenient and must change pronto.

  • @timothyossei-berkoh9775
    @timothyossei-berkoh9775 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    He had mental health issues which were ignored. This tragedy is so sad!

    • @robbeales5516
      @robbeales5516 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Well It is for the victims

    • @glynmatthews6697
      @glynmatthews6697 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah Very sad fur the victims families now, imagine how they feel , this POS should be locked away for life to protect the public.

  • @craigsimons817
    @craigsimons817 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A dark day for British justice, once the envy of the world.
    Criminals at every level need have no fear, their victims no faith.

  • @amillionviews888
    @amillionviews888 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    OMG, what's happening in the UK. I'm glad I left in 92.
    Back then, it was calm. Probably bc everyone was raving to acid house music and loving everyone.
    I hope my f reg azure blue XR3i cabriolet is still parked at Gatwick

    • @johnpatrick1702
      @johnpatrick1702 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's been stolen. 🤣🤣

    • @amillionviews888
      @amillionviews888 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@johnpatrick1702 yes you're probably right lol

    • @johnpatrick1702
      @johnpatrick1702 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stay safe wherever you are my friend.@@amillionviews888

    • @lynnedavies5884
      @lynnedavies5884 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Which country is your home now.

    • @amillionviews888
      @amillionviews888 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lynnedavies5884 I'm living in the Philippines but I really miss my friends and family in the UK.

  • @martinkiley7894
    @martinkiley7894 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Doesn't matter what he is sentenced he will never get out either way too much hype over the number of years that should be handed out... 100% he will never get out

  • @Donkingboxinggoat
    @Donkingboxinggoat 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The country is finished

  • @funboy7754
    @funboy7754 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the black community enriching your lives every day in sunny england!

  • @stevenmitchell2746
    @stevenmitchell2746 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Mental health the man was driving a van around he can’t be that dumb

    • @moggpiano8043
      @moggpiano8043 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You think no one who drives has psychological conditions?

    • @volpeverde6441
      @volpeverde6441 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      mentally ill people are seldom stupid or
      'dumb' as incorrectly used....

  • @peterscarfe9933
    @peterscarfe9933 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Should not of been on streets in first place

  • @john68
    @john68 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Privilege.😡😡We have a politicised justice system full of flakes just like our schools and universities.

  • @Ashley-q4n6y
    @Ashley-q4n6y 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I feel for the families for the victims. somewhere in the system needs to be held accountable , because its clear these families have not got the justice they deserve. I only hope that they do one day and prevent further attacks in the future .All the best to these families.

  • @neilremy8861
    @neilremy8861 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    with judgement s like this you wonder why nobody will defend this country its disgusting judges should face prosecution

  • @brendabrown6187
    @brendabrown6187 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So another 3 inocent people have lost their lives, families have been left with no sense of justice, so this will be another who will get 3 meals a day, a roof over his head, access to this that and the other, our laws need instantly looking at, if there is NO SHADOW OF A DOUBT he is guilty, sorry this is a prime example for the death penalty

  • @puncturethenarrative
    @puncturethenarrative 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    We have plenty of injectables

  • @jujutrini8412
    @jujutrini8412 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This guy is a joker. The Tories cut the number of police officers and now he’s boasting the Tories are bringing in more police officers! 😂😂😂😂

    • @edda682
      @edda682 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Even so, it will be a hundred times worse under Labour, the floodgates will be open for all and taxes will rise to pay for our unwanted guests.

    • @barbarabell2396
      @barbarabell2396 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The police are too busy arresting arresting people because they mis gendered someone..

    • @barbarabell2396
      @barbarabell2396 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Police are too busy arresting people because they mis gendered someone.

  • @1234_Flux
    @1234_Flux 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So basically a lifetime in the looney bin

  • @lifeandtimesofshanerogers8878
    @lifeandtimesofshanerogers8878 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That’s a fcuking disgrace He could be out in a few years for three deaths

  • @timothyossei-berkoh9775
    @timothyossei-berkoh9775 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He might hurt someone in prison.

  • @petals8657
    @petals8657 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    MH is real and the government needs to do more. These poor families have to deal with this pain forever because of failures by MH services

  • @nl020
    @nl020 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Julia and I have the same views and opinions. It’s great to see someone with logic and common sense.

  • @beansandmacaroni8758
    @beansandmacaroni8758 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    don't kid yourselves he will have less freedom in a secure hospital

  • @SBsoton
    @SBsoton 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    An open air asylum,just like some states in the US

  • @maninst7145
    @maninst7145 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just shows our legal system needs sorting out!!!!

  • @valeriegrimshaw1365
    @valeriegrimshaw1365 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    British homes for British workers...overbreeders will STILL be top of the list....No change there then....

  • @SkepticalTeacher
    @SkepticalTeacher 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The only good thing is that, unlike a "life" sentence, a hospital order means he could in fact be detained until he dies. Sad that it comes to this...

  • @johnnyhollis9977
    @johnnyhollis9977 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Quite a few of these cases seem to be labelled Mental Health issues. Why are these people allowed into the country in the first place. The authorities and the government are all culpable for yet again more totally innocent peoples lives being shattered by this type of individual let loose on our streets.

  • @AnthonyBailey-t8i
    @AnthonyBailey-t8i 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Race and mental health card pampered to again…

  • @Mary.Quantum426
    @Mary.Quantum426 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I recall that when this happened, at least one of the affected families' mantra was "don't look back in anger" ... where's that mantra now? I'm not hearing it.

  • @Local.hero.1983
    @Local.hero.1983 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A cuddle instead of prison , is it April 1st.

    • @moggpiano8043
      @moggpiano8043 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No. Read closer.... This allows for him to be incarcerated for his entire life. A regular prison would make it more likely for him to be released early.

  • @ГалинаЧелебиева
    @ГалинаЧелебиева 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Как жалко детей!Соболезную родителям!💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏

  • @donnablackman3954
    @donnablackman3954 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Care in the community dont exist never has❤

  • @nez9751
    @nez9751 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One word, reform