David Tibet discusses INVOCATION OF HALLUCINATORY MOUNTAlN (Some Gnostic Cartoons) #1
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- Filmed and directed by Nicholas Abrahams at Isis Gallery, London and at Hope Cottage, Hastings. December 2008 on the occasion of David Tibet's exhibition Invocation of Hallucinatory Mountain (Some Gnostic Cartoons).
Isis Gallery presents INVOCATION OF HALLUCINATORY MOUNTAlN (Some Gnostic Cartoons) by David Tibet
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Recent works on paper inspired by Apocryphal, Gnostic and Hallucinatory scriptures.
Private view: Friday 28th November 2008 6pm-8pm
29th November - 10th Jan 2009
11am-6pm Tuesday to Saturday
For INVOCATION OF HALLUCINATORY MOUNTAlN (Some Gnostic Cartoons), David Tibet will install a beguiling cycle of recent works on paper that have sprung from his intense study of scriptural and apocryphal Gnostic and Christian texts in the Coptic language as well as from his joyous exploration of the Canon of Apocalyptic Cartoons.
David Tibet's visionary drawings are those of the artist as scribe illuminating the contours and spaces of our shared spirit worlds. Tibet's work is profoundly magical in intention and it portrays and describes the dimensions of hallucinatory bodies and their worlds, where writing and image are both fluid and entwined. His drawings are child-like, playful and comical, as he continues his colouring in of the universes. In these spaces the hierarchy of human, animal and spirit forms is dissolved: masks dream of planets and grin at moons.
The imaginative world that Tibet gives form to is one in which writing and speech are divine, full of promises and threats. This investigation of word and form is rooted in his studies of the Coptic language, as well as in readings of ecstatic canonical and non-canonical Christian texts. However, these ideas are filtered through a uniquely English sensibility that places him in the tradition of such diverse figures as Enid Blyton, Aleister Crowley and Louis Wain. His idiosyncratic and passionate work shines an inmost light on the pleasures and horrors of the divine comedy that we all inhabit.
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I love David Tibet. Sure, his beliefs are kinda out-there, but he's sincere about them and he's clearly come into them on his own (they weren't forced upon him by his parents).
I quite like his art, it's childish yet sinister on a level that's hard to quantify.
David's life and my own life reminds me of the Parable of the Lost Sheep from the Gospel of Thomas. Sometimes a child needs to rebel a little, get out and explore the world before we can truly understand the love a father or mother has for their child.
David Tibet/Current 93 is amazing! God Bless Daved Tibet!. "Jesus will be in agony until the end of the world...There must be no resting in the meantime!"
Current93 is the journey of David Tibet. Thats it! He's been in many places, many stages and in none of those he presentes himself as the bearer of truths. He's an artist not a Vicar, it's incredible the amount of people that forgets this on "both sides of the spectrum", he's referring Christ at the same time that he says he loves Mayhem's first álbum (profoundly violent and non-christic). He is a spiritual person, always was but if you Don't know gnosticism and the concept of simbology, and what esoterism is you wont understand that God and Demons and Christs are not the literal little things that every church tells you...the more quoted gospel by David is tbe gospel of Thomas, an apocryphal one tbat means tbat its a gospel that the vatican tjought dangerous and kept it out of the bible, that tells you sometjing. If you analyze the journey of an artist through the lens of the church you wont ser any artist...he's not there. David talks to you about Christ while he still reads Crowley, if you cant understand the new approach that this means then dont bother...he's NOT preaching, he's describing his experience through the intelligent, unique and mind-stretching view that we'll only be able to get from him. Don't be surprised if the next álbum is about alchemy and numbers or Christ and Aliens or having breakfast with Nietschze and saint Rita at the edge of the world...hes an artist!!
"God and Demons and Christs are not the literal little things that every church tells you..." Yeah except for Tibet saying he affirms the Second Coming, "the skies opening and Christ returning on a white horse", is what will literally happen. Your pseudo-nuance is simplifying his views too.
This remains one of my favourite wee movies on TH-cam. Regardless of your attitude towards David's ideas or towards Current 93, it gives some remarkable insights into the work of a remarkable man.
One of the most interesting artists / musicians / bands (Current 93) of the last 40-odd years. One of those bands that dispel the notion of 'genre' altogether, their sound is just that - their sound. And it can go in any path depending on how the mood strikes.
Tibet is a genius.
What an interesting guy.
@EmitFlestiKY
you don't have to be an atheist or a postmodernist to dislike the other world/paradise-obsessed, wrathful daddy in the sky, herd-like fire and brimstone mentality of most Christians. tibet seems like he's a gnostic of some sort, an heretical Christian, which is something I do find "interesting." Hail Eris!
He is an artist and great musician
One of the few religious people that i adore.
Fascinating dude. The frames look great on the wall - like I would actually BUY them even if I didn't know they were his.
This is ... I can-t describe it *)
Thank you for posting,I-m great and young admirer of mr.David Tibet-s work
And this is...wow.
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Current 93 and Kanye West collab when?
@EmitFlestiKY WHY?? Christ is love and God is love and this is the greatest Power. None of post-modern, neo-smthng, human thoughts is more powerful than the Bible and alive God. I am proud of David that He's interested in Christ and God and Bible and Christianity. It's not lame, it's the bravest.
@Maldoror418: Tibet is not weak.. He seems to be very warm person that is strong in many hard moments in his life and i hope he will be praying and keep his faith in Christ. i pray for David
I really enjoyed this exhibition, wish I could go back and time and see it all again.
I've always thought Mr. Tibet was a mysterious guy, and after seeing this, I still do :P
very interesting. thank you.
After listening to Black Ships Ate The Sky it's obvious that David genuinely believes in SOMETHING. As to what that something is, who the fuck knows.
Thanks for posting!
I’m confused as to what exactly Tibet believes. He seems to have similarities to Gnosticism, but he also sticks way closer to the Bible than most Gnostics do (he thinks the Jewish god is the same god that created Jesus, he believes in the rapture, he obviously doesn’t hate the material world as a whole, etc).
He's not really "Gnostic" in the usual, Valentinian way... In that regard, his views are closer to some form of traditional Christianity than Valentinianism. He doesn't appear to even agree with the tales of creation of those people (I don't think he has ever expressed thought related to their views on Sophia creating the Demiurge, for example). I think most of his disagreements are over the nature and operations of God and Christ so calling him a "gnostic" is inaccurate. I doubt he belongs to any established Church, though, not the Orthodox or Catholic at least (he's a bit too "unorthodox" for those).
Gnostic philosophy is actually "old age."
@ threedotsandadash. Yeah, he was sometimes apocalypse focussed, but not all of the time. He once sang "this is our Law, and the Law of the strong.." It seems like something has happened in his life to make him like this. I've not kept track of what he has been up to, but can anyone advise? He's like an iconoclast confessing to all of his sins in order to be absolved, having previously avowed that it was "better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven". Sad...
@Maldoror418 Never thought you'd "see him praying / talking about praying" or "harping on about apocalyptic 'crap' like this"? I am truly at a loss. I'd like to be shown a time where Mr. Tibet WASN'T talking about such things. Though his views have shifted considerably over the years, there is no denying that, I think it is fair to state that the subject matter / his obsessions have been fairly consistent as a whole.
Whats all this fuss about Tibets beliefs ? Obviously he does not fit anywhere, he is just himself. Theres no need to label it. Are some of you people really so fanatical that when someone mentiones anything related to christianity you get all butthurt (cuz christian stuff is not cool or whatever?) ? Just chill
I mean no need to label it, sure, but Tibet does call himself a Christian... "Unorthodox", yeah (by his own admission), but a Christian nonetheless.
@@jiqian True, I do consider David to be christian. Its just that people usually imagine very specific things under the labels, but he seems to have his own take on it.
So are the "aleph on hallucinatory mountain" baalstorm sing omega" and "honeysuckle aeons" albums all part of a trilogy?
Birth Canal Blues is certainly part of the concept.
Tibet has said so
@@maxrush1931 I see that EP as more of a "trailer" for Aleph and Baalstorm. The first piece off there became the lyrics to one of the Aleph songs and later the melody to one of the Baalstorm songs. Not to mention the names of all four EP tracks are recited in order, word for word, in both English and Coptic, at the end of the song UrShadow.
All the albums from Aleph through Field seem connected in a way, probably because they all seem like long form poems broken down into single pieces, similar to Hypnagogue. You can actually find single-track versions of the full texts for Aleph, Honeysuckle and Field released on/as separate albums (respectively: the first track off Aleph on Docetic Mountain, Drank Honeysucke Aeons and My Name Is Nearly All That's Left), and all three are brilliant listens which I highly, highly recommend to any C93 fan.
Anyway, if memory serves, the trilogy was initially supposed to begin with Black Ships, but to me it sounds more like it started with Aleph and just kept going from there. The only album I see clearly breaking away thematically from all these is The Light Is Leaving Us All. Whatever the case may be, I'm really liking the more introspective/obscure/personal tone of the releases from Hypnagogue up to now.
I know steven tapleton had an album named thunder perfect mind, which is a gnostic poem.
Interesting person.
Imagination.
@earinsound ah yes, too bad he's "interested" in Christ, the Saviour. How lame of him to take Christianity seriously and not follow the post-modern, neo-atheist herd.
Just. Strange. .....
Which god?
There is only one my friend.
Repping the man bun back in the day. Always before his time.
Does David Tibet actually work on his art while wearing expensive classy clothing LIKE A BOSS or was this just for the cameras?
I actually just spoke with Boyd about this. He said that David is a person who constantly shifts, like a chameleon. He said that David wants to be spiritual but doesn't know ever exactly what he believes. Boyd didn't have any strong belief on David himself though.
Boyd had a gun shoved up his ass. That guy is a fucking clown.
@inversedigestion But that's the main mistake that people can make about God. everyone who seeks real, alive God in our world (not in books or philosophy, except Bible) can see this.God's compassion is greater than His justice. He doesn't want anybody to go to hell, or to suffer on Earth, but He gives us free will. He loves us so much that He respects our freedom. Choice is ours. Here in Poland we have many great witnesses for that, but all in polish language, so i can't show it to You :(
I wonder what Mr. Stapleton thinks of his friend David's religious leanings??? If I was him I'd insert the sound of cuckoo clocks into the mix while collaborating on any C93 stuff.
@opiates Thank you, wonderful comment.
Chaos theism
Christ, he's an rabbi?!!?!?
Mary Magdeline addressed Christ as "rabboni," remember?
Jewish Teacher
Or Boyd Rice?
I like David and all, but where does he get these beliefs from??? I mean come on. Where's the evidence that this is anything more than fairy tale story telling. Respect.
@yetisquid ...hear you loud and clear. "...the word I'm writing is Liar..." "...to protect against his masks and his lies...". After so many years, I'm beginning to get fed up with him. I'm pretty sure Aleph was the last aural thing I've bought from him. Let go!
Liarliarliarliarliarliarliarliar
Nope, doesn't look as good.
Uggh. What a hideous 'hair-don't'.
lol good luck telling david tibet what to do
Tibet always seems afraid, weak, and has lost his edge. Never thought I'd see him praying, simpering, talking about praying, and harping on about apocalyptic crap like this. It's really sad and like he has an OCD.
lol - his music has stayed interesting wayyy longer than most ppl can manaage, so just let him do his thing
That this comment was made 11 years ago aside, I don't know how people would be surprised about Tibet discussing all of that... It would be a surprise if he didn't.
hate is the good answer to the evil lie of love . hippies and traitors will learn soon .
then you have never allowed yourself to recieve real love.. i hope you will, one time. love is what feels truest to me
Peter Seroka thanks for your sensitive answer on my dark hearted post .
i think love is the energy of the universe and if i recieve , i think i recieve it from there .
i know many scenes , drugscenes , criminal scenes , right wing political extremism scenes , prostitution scenes... but the most selfish , egoish , hypocritical , phony and materialistic ratrace i experienced in the scene of love , of the love-searchers , the partnersearchers .
so if i recieve love from universe it pushes me to contact humans , but to bring love down to the human realm just soils it , makes it trivial . and isnt hate ist the answer of the natural law for soiling love .
i think the inner sexual attraction is the evil , magnetism , evil is sexy , sexual desire is the desire for soil , abuse and humilation , and the way to satisfy a drive to abuse and humilate is sex , so the not loving sadist is loved for this by the love giving masochist , the most mean persons are the most desired , good people mostly are not very sexy . "so you open your books , and you open your legs , so open your heart and let in the badness" you know this song from david tibet ?
my berlin enviroment for me is an abomination , modern society , so full of slick and treason under the doktrin and religion of "love" . the frigide porno culture , use and consume .
the tradition of the troubadur i like , their love is religion , but never let down to reality .
david tibet i like too . but most of his lyrics i do not understand with my english :-)
i think people have to learn to feel love , and too not be driven down by it , so maybe this is called "love is the law , love under will" ?
odd chap
loathsome jude 'hair style'
what a load of twaddle
this guy has lost it
kuri baba Oh no doubt in my mind. He is one of experimental music's most important people and a fantastic mind. But he has fucking lost his mind in the process.
That's what he meant to achieve. The question is if any of us here has his mind present, and whether to lost one's mind doesn't mean to gain the real wisdom.
kuri baba you will become the sun itself