One major detail that wasn't covered was Grover had inspectors come to his house to make sure it was up to code, they said it wasn't so he took the home inspector exam himself and approved his own changes.
Okay so to be fair, there are a couple of reasons you might want to insulate interior barriers. Sound, energy efficiency, and moisture control. Moisture wouldn't be an issue. Insulation here will make walking on these stairs quieter, and will mean that you won't be heating or cooling the little nook down there. Probably worth it in the long run just for energy savings.
so today Fredo uploaded another one of these videos and i'm watching every other Warrens video. One thing i didn't notice at first even when Jab pointed it out it is how thin the stairs are and the way any kind of support or pillar is not present at all. Those stairs are not only incapable of supporting 2 people at a time but any sort of weight that challenges anything beyond an adult.
@@Alberich_Prince_of_Dwarves nope all tech priests in the future will have foot fetishes, they'll miss our soft, human feet as opposed to their cold, metal pikes.
Load bearing walls are heretical, it was mentioned in one of the 40k novels. I'll update later when I find the novel's name. Update: It was The Death of Antagonis.
fun fact: grover was a moderator on the military subform, despite never having been in the military. he was a civilian contractor at a naval recycling yard. he claimed that this position gave him a status equivalent to a lieutenant colonel, and would routinely pull nonexistant rank on actual troops, infuriating them all. a big reason why groverhaus became such a thing is just because everyone already hated him so much.
I've never figured out how this became THE meme of Groverhaus, because 1. There was no load-bearing drywall. 2. THE DAMN STAIR RISERS WERE INSULATED. 3. poop swamp 4. iraq war post
Groverhaus tends to be the term goons use for it nowadays, especially if they were around for the original thread, and it's precisely because it makes it seem like more than just a house.
"I was the only one working and most of my money went to 'Cookie Monster's' neverending demand for cookies. They made me be 'Big Bird' and forced me to sleep outside on a pile of sticks. Every night you could hear 'Elmo' and 'Abby Cadabby' going at it through the walls. Was it loud sex or fighting? Unfortunately, it was both in the same night, almost every night. Elmo's high-pitched, 'yeah, you like that you stupid bitch slut???' will haunt me until I die. 'Telly' stole all our money and fucked off a few weeks after I showed up, I'm pretty sure his pal 'Baby Bear' died of a meth overdose."
Oh my god, It just clicked for me why he staggered the garage. Its the stairs! He added the stairs and didn't adjust the rooms to match, just pushed out that half of the garage! This is fascinating to look at.
But if he staggered the stairs, why wouldn’t he just keep the garage doors on a flat wall, and give the right half more space... oh, nevermind, it’s inscrutable anyways.
Apparently as of 2019 Google Street View, Groverhaus is still standing. Though it seems the garage isn't being used, since grass can be seen growing in front of both doors. There's also an air conditioner in the upstairs, implying the central air he had planned didn't end up working.
I wonder if it has something to do with the questionable stability of the concrete pad. Maybe putting a few thousand pounds of vehicle onto it promotes further sinking.
Dude i spent so many hours trying to find it yesterday on googlemaps, any chance you can message me co-ords or something? i gotta see that sweet sweet streetview!!
E F you really think this guy put that much thought into it? I’ve poured cement to level off a patio. That shit is hard work and that maybe 9x8 space took like 150-200 pounds of concrete just to get it decently level for those stick on vinyl tiles.
"They said we were FOOLS to build a house extension in the swamp, but we built it anyway! And then it fell over 1.5" and sunk in the swamp (except for the sewage pipes, those rose from the swamp.)"
Grover is being haunted by dead sheds full of spiders and he has to confuse them. He must build until he dies. He cannot let them discover the beating hearts of his family.
My dad was a plumber his entire life and moved on to be foreman on some big construction jobs. He renovated our house many years ago. The plumbing was perfect and never had issues, but everything else was shit. In his case, I think it was very much an "I'm a man and I work in peripherally the same field, so I can totally do this." Pure idiotic hubris.
This is not like the 30s where people have to rely on DYI because there was little help to be had, these guys are just Ego tripping because likely their Dads did it at one point, but unlike Gramps who did it the best he could these guys are just making big and Important stuff like they are legos and even legos get more care in their building process than this.
My dad also built our house. He is very skilled and asked around how to do things so it is actually pretty well built. The biggest problem is that he automated stuff before it was a thing so it's almost impossible to know every quirk of the house.
I like how even though there's like, a regular house that they live in right next to it, they apparently chose to celebrate christmas in the unfinished extension
It was a common theme of the entire debacle: a lot of the images of unfinished construction work had toys visible in the shot, meaning that Grover and Mrs. Grover let their kids play near unfinished parts.
@@Dev1nciit's been two years since he's even made a down the rabbit hole episode? Should we be worried? Where the fuck did he go? Does somebody know? Did he slip and fall down the rabbit hole??
Doobies is a bit different because the goons actively gave the racist hot dog man their children's Christmas money before they decided to mock him. Grover literally built his source of mockery all by himself which makes it much funnier. That said, DDH would be a great Internet Historian video, lots of opportunities for funny edits and such
As an SA goon, it was quite the pleasant surprise to find the Groverhaus featured here. If you've heard of the podcast 'Well There's Your Problem', the Groverhaus was featured as the podcast's Patreon-exclusive content, and definitely worth a buck or two.
I love that in any other online community Grover would have being, at best, the dude you see in a 500 comment youtube thread arguing that he knows how the marines work cause he has prestige in call of duty, but on SomethingAwful he rose to such a high position that it took his entire forum rebelling against him for anything to happen. Goons are the gift that keep on giving lmao
Funny thing, he seems to have thought he understood military structure and believed he had an "equivalent rank of Lieutenant Colonel" as a civilian contractor. He worked in an on-base recycling facility.
@@PanAndScanBuddy If I was Grover, I'd probably dive straight into the indignant "Well, actually..." paragraphs lmao x I just found the way Fred said that funny so thought I'd quote it lol x
So, I'm related to several engineers and one of my relatives is eerily similar to Grover. If I wasn't certain that my relative has no idea what SomethingAwful is, then I would suspect that you were talking about him. He is very stubborn and will be absolutely convinced that he knows what he is doing despite being completely out of his element. When questioned, he will always double down on his opinion and, even when proven wrong, will still think his way is better. I describe him as having enough knowledge to be very unintentionally dangerous. Maybe it is a common characteristic shared among certain engineers? Who knows. Anyway, great episode guys!
Oh thank god. I was worried this series was going to go the way of the Grim Archives after the longer delay between episode 2-3 then 1-2. I love both of you and the subjects you talk about, please keep it going!
Yes, this guy and his ugly ass bathroom is just sublime. Don’t remember his name though, but I will remember that bathroom on my death bed and die giggling like an idiot
@Alexander Scales Fun fact: Sarah wasn’t actually delusional, she was just a bored old lady with a shitload of money who built a weird house for the hell of it
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 if i had a lot of money i would probaly be building parts of the house not to be functional but for the hell of it too
Why does it have to be that long? Why is the end of it pointed up? Like I get what you're saying, but how can he manage to even fuck up something as basic as "Pipe that sawdust travels through"?
The staggered wall looked to be to fit in the stairs without giving up garage space in that spot. It's literally what I do in the Sims when I overlook some detail like that.
"Well There's Your Problem" is a fantastic podcast that covers engineering disasters. for groverhaus specifically, i believe you missed the post grover made about invading iraq: How long will it take to capture Baghdad? 2 days Will Saddam be killed? Yes Total Iraqi civillian casualties: 500 dead Total military casualties Iraq: 3000 dead Total military casualties U.S.: 15 dead Will the Iraqi army regulars hold the lines? No Will the Republican Guard fight to the end? No Will chem/bio weapons be used on invading troops?: Yes Will Saddam launch attacks on the Kurds? Yes Will Saddam launch attacks on Israel? No -If yes; will Isreal retaliate harshly? Yes Will Saddam sacrifice Baghdad (gas/nuke it)? No Will the Kurds make a grab for independence? Yes Will Iran do anything silly like try for land? Yes Will Saddam burn the oil fields? Yes How long will the US be occupying Iraq? ~15 years Will the Iraq war catalyze increased terrorism in America?No In the long run, will this war be good or bad for the world? Good We have to look at what those civilian casualties are- just because they're civilian doesn't make them innocent! Lets take a look at a few possibilities: 1) A civilian walking down the street to market gets killed by a cruise missile fired at the market. 2) A civilian asleep in their house is killed when their house is targetting by a smart bomb and blown up. OK, these two are regrettable innocents being killed- but since the US doesn't make a habit of targetting markets or houses, they're very small in number! 3) A civilian working at a chemical weapon factory gets killed when the chemical weapon plant is bombed. 4) A civilian security guard at a weapons depot is killed when the weapons explode. 5) A civilian contractor repairing a tank is killed by a MOAB dropped on the unit. 6) A civilian engineer is killed when the military command center he works at is destroyed. 7) A civilian delivering snackiecakes to the baghdad bunker vending machines eats a 5,000lb bunker buster. etc, etc. The list goes on. My point is that there are a lot of civilians directly supporting the military that aren't exactly "innocent" and would be mire rightly counted among the military casualties than civilian. I'm a civilian and work for the US military, but I acknowledge I'm also a valid military target because of what I do. And I think the vast majority of civilian casualties in this campaign will not be innocent.
19:35 Being an engineering student myself, I have to say that it is a very poor engineer that fails to consider the usability of their design. I think this is more accurately categorized into a different problem engineers often experience: egotism. If Grover is an electrical engineer, he will have absolutely no expertise whatsoever in construction, besides how the electrical appliances work internally. (Important to note that an electrician's skillset is required to actually install the stuff safely and efficiently.) However, because of his training in problem solving and his high opinion of himself, he thinks "well this can't be so hard, what's to stop me from learning it?" and this is the result. If you're an entry level intern at an engineering firm with somebody double-checking your work, fucking up is fine, but if you're building a place for your family to live in, it's not. Call people who know what they're doing, folks. It saves everybody time and money.
Yeah that's what I was thinking throughout the video, because if it was actually done the utilitarian way like Mike said he was working in, then the design would function but be just barebones. This is just straight up Grover over-estimating his own skillset and it shows because he does almost everything that Infrastructure Engineers and Construction Management students are told not to do when it comes to designing and building a building for housing.
Would love to see your take on TikTok’s tunnel lady, seems like a good warrens, not enough for a DTRH, but she’s got an unusual way about her, recreating dramatic moments she’s had, digging illegal tunnels, making a makeshift diesel winch, risking multiple tunnel fires, staking stone from the ground to ‘build her castle’ at another undisclosed location, ruining the water tables, bothering her neighbours, getting shit down by the government. Videoing her neighbour trying to cut her wires, keeping ‘artwork’ in her house made by her severely mentally ill subrenters, which are just odd notes to no one. Seemingly also apparently appropriating Indian culture cause she travelled there for a few years. She’s got an incredible unusual cadence, I’m autistic and probably also do but even she stands out to me as odd. There’s definitely a lot of room for humour there. Her name is Kala, or EngineerEverything (she’s not a civil engineer btw) or just tunnel girl on TikTok.
Mike actually died tragically by falling out of a window after he and Fred had a fight Fred didn’t want to talk about it but that’s why there hasn’t been any new episodes
He's still active on Twitch and had a VOD uploaded with him and Fred 2 days ago. I'd say that news of his death and falling out with Fred have been... Greatly exaggerated
As someone in the process of building a shed, I came here to have a good time and just feel so personally attacked right now. I love this series! You two make a great combo!
For some reason, this just makes me think of the swamp castle from Monty Python and the holy grail. “Other kings said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all them same, just to show ‘em. It sank into the swamp.” Not sure why...
god my parents pretty much renovated our home themselves as my dads an engineer so he could do electrical stuff and my mum is an insane person so she could go for hours at a time doing wallpaper and shit but they sure didn't make the extension themselves. They knew that they could do all the guts but they needed a body
"This is my design; The Grover House story" starring Hugh Dancy. I swear, (and I mean this as the highest compliment) if I close my eyes and listen to Mike, it sounds like I'm watching a vintage episode of Top Cat, I love it so much.
As for the "water table" aspect of this video. Just look up "artesian wells" or "artesian aquifer." Yes Water tables can raise. and yes it can cause flooding if the equilibrium moves. My property has a well that we get all of the irrigation water that isn't used from above us through because of this. It only runs when people above us are irrigating or if there is a big rainstorm. Our water table literally sits 7 feet bellow us where I live during a rainstorm or irrigation season. Mine just does it naturally, i don't have to fuck up my septic to do it.
This reminds me of that episode of King of the Hill, where Hank and friends fix up the house of a man that died, and they do it right, only to have Khan and his rich friends buy the land and put up a shoddy McMansion that gets blown over by a wind storm.
I saw an incredible edit of pics of the Groverhaus with long-term nuclear waste warning messages superimposed on top. "This is not a place of honor" slammed over the 6-inch high stairless back door.
Hi, as someone who knew your other, more recent, work before finding this I'm really surprised by how much I liked these podcasts. I think you two bounce off eachover very well and hope the reason you didn't make more episodes together wasn't because of a falling out. I think a lot of people, myself included, would be pleasently surprised that if you both came back for another episode.
Okay so he 100 percent staggered half the garage to account for putting those stairs in the back in. Which raises the question; why not just bring the right side of the garage out to be flush with the left's extension? The man is an enigma.
I loved it when Well There’s Your Problem covered this with the McMansion lady. I can’t remember if that was a bonus episode atm. This should be talked about by everyone with a relevant platform.
There's an old saying about performing DIY tasks and maintenance on your house: there's a right way and a wrong way to do every task, and the wrong way has already been done by the previous tenant. From that perspective, I don't think people really appreciate the essential role Grover has played in the home maintenance ecosystem: with all the tasks he's botched up, he can be the previous tenant whose name people will curse for centuries to come (if the house somehow doesn't just fall over before then, anyway.)
What I love about Fred and Mike is that they're both so incredibly respectful of each other. There's been multiple times where they make sure that the other one knows that their joking or that they're not talking too much and it really just shows that both of these guys are just great people. Great people that HAVENT POSTED AN EPISODE IN THREE YEARS but these two are the best pair on TH-cam.
FWIW Mike has more streams of him and Fred on his youtube channel. It looks like they don't cross-post them here, though. As of this writing, the most recent one was two weeks ago.
Hell yeah, I was wondering when we'd get more of this! I did hear you mention this and I tried to search it up on TH-cam but found nothing. Interesting to see where this goes.
My grandmother's house in vermont was built by a farmer during the settling of the state, and slowly retrofitted into a frankenstein monster with modern appliances and materials from the 50s, and later the 2000s. The house has no foundation, and the front door slowly sinks. We have to move that bit up every four years. The frame of the house has been hewn from axe-sqared tree trunks, all skyrim-looking and all. The floor on the base of the house is completely warped, undulating several feet up and down over the square footage of the first floor. The second story has a big sewer-looking grate, where the house wood stove on the first floor used to send warm air up. some of the house is drywall, some isn't. The attic is pretty dangerous, with a floor of ludicrously thin planks just lying on beams in some spots, nailed down in others. There is a horrible rodent problem throughout the house, and my Grandmother has in recent years forbade anybody from killing them. That house was built like a hundred years ago by someone who couldn't read, and in many ways you can tell more planning went into the architecture of it than Grover's house expansion.
Fred has a completely different voice when not speaking in that signature "Down the Rabbit Hole" monotone. It's fascinating. I could listen to him talk all day.
He was more making the point that the process seems born from a 1 track mind. There are many facets to home building and design. Engineering in terms of material and fastner selection, truss and joist design etc. Architecture in terms of layout and integration to existing floor plan, electrical layout, windows and doors etc. Interior design in terms colors and finishes, fixtures furniture etc... where the grover house is clearly lacking in many of these aspects. He was more worried about if he could and didn't stop to wonder if he should.
@@HVACNoLife I can't speak to building designers since my experience is in a manufacturing environment, but I and other engineers I worked with had to prototype their designs and take responsibility for them until they were obsolete or heavily revised. If it's a pain in the ass for me, it'll be a pain in the ass for technicians and I'll hear about it pretty quickly.
I have to say, I really like the longform style of these podcasts. I know you were talking in episode 1 about keeping them down to 40 minutes at the most, but I really like them long like this.
10:46 You should have seen the window in my childhood home going to the 3rd floor. It was basically at ground level, meaning you could slide down the stairs and straight out the window, if you really wanted to. Or trip on your way down and roll out of the window.
“And the worst part is, it’s in a swamp” Not quite. The worst part is it’s in the Great Dismal Swamp specifically, a coastal region of Virginia that gets absolutely decimated by tropical storms and hurricanes every year. It’s a miracle that add-on didn’t topple over come hurricane season.
I just learned about a groverboat, and it's a very similar story, guy builds boat for 15 years, yells at anyone who gives him advice and the result is it can barely float. Called the sv seeker
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One major detail that wasn't covered was Grover had inspectors come to his house to make sure it was up to code, they said it wasn't so he took the home inspector exam himself and approved his own changes.
That's big business corruption style right there. I guess he was his own guy for all the aspects
Taking nepotism to a whole new level
That's irresponsible and big dick energy at the same time
wow!
@@iamaunicorn1232 So what? Take him to court, he'll become a judge within a week and throw out the charges.
This man could become president.
"Dad, what are you doing?"
"Insulating the stairs, son."
Dude, if that's fiber glass insulation, their feet are gonna itch like fucking craaazy, why in the ever loving fuck would anyone do this 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@marcusaurelius687 They're not stepping _in_ the fiberglass.
Okay so to be fair, there are a couple of reasons you might want to insulate interior barriers. Sound, energy efficiency, and moisture control. Moisture wouldn't be an issue. Insulation here will make walking on these stairs quieter, and will mean that you won't be heating or cooling the little nook down there. Probably worth it in the long run just for energy savings.
so today Fredo uploaded another one of these videos and i'm watching every other Warrens video. One thing i didn't notice at first even when Jab pointed it out it is how thin the stairs are and the way any kind of support or pillar is not present at all. Those stairs are not only incapable of supporting 2 people at a time but any sort of weight that challenges anything beyond an adult.
@@D0NU75 I could totally stomp through those stairs, you are right
In the 41st millennium, tech priests will marvel at the lost feet of human ingenuity, the load bearing drywall.
Rogal makes it the bases of his next fortification
feet of human ingenuity?
Feat, surely.
Half of the garage sticks out 2 feet further than the other. Unfortunately, we no longer possess the technology to construct such a building.
@@Alberich_Prince_of_Dwarves nope all tech priests in the future will have foot fetishes, they'll miss our soft, human feet as opposed to their cold, metal pikes.
Load bearing walls are heretical, it was mentioned in one of the 40k novels. I'll update later when I find the novel's name.
Update: It was The Death of Antagonis.
fun fact: grover was a moderator on the military subform, despite never having been in the military. he was a civilian contractor at a naval recycling yard. he claimed that this position gave him a status equivalent to a lieutenant colonel, and would routinely pull nonexistant rank on actual troops, infuriating them all. a big reason why groverhaus became such a thing is just because everyone already hated him so much.
Incredible.
@@PanAndScanBuddy yes it adds so much to the story. Groverhaus is never not funny
That sounds like some weird complex form or stolen valor
So the rabbit hole could be about the guy himself and not specifically the house.
Utterly based. Someone give him an actual rank so he can fuck with the troops some more
"The Great Dismal Swamp" sounds like a Dark Souls area.
Dork Souls
It looks like one too judging by Google Images.
It was real fun even half a state away when the damn thing caught fire. Even hurricane Sandy didnt put that out.
I live close to there. Can confirm.
I always make sure to go back to the Undead Asylum to get the Rusted Iron Ring before I traverse it.
Three words:
LOAD.
BEARING.
DRYWALL.
i.imgur.com/UmC8AJQ.jpg
I've never figured out how this became THE meme of Groverhaus, because
1. There was no load-bearing drywall.
2. THE DAMN STAIR RISERS WERE INSULATED.
3. poop swamp
4. iraq war post
andxx0r_the_second this guy is like a whole house of “There I fixed it” memes
@luigi mario bit CohNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECT
I've got one better
PAY
AN
ENGINEER
Grover is just a vessel for the Groverhaus to interact with this plane of existence.
I love how you typed groverhaus it makes it seens not like a house but as some time of love craftian elder god
Groverhaus tends to be the term goons use for it nowadays, especially if they were around for the original thread, and it's precisely because it makes it seem like more than just a house.
It's an SCP
@@SobepomeGroverhaus is just German for Grover house. I have no idea why one would use the German word for it, though.
Thought this was going to be like the Final Fantasy House but all the cultists were kinning Sesame Street characters.
Same here.
That would be fucking amazing
"I was the only one working and most of my money went to 'Cookie Monster's' neverending demand for cookies. They made me be 'Big Bird' and forced me to sleep outside on a pile of sticks. Every night you could hear 'Elmo' and 'Abby Cadabby' going at it through the walls. Was it loud sex or fighting? Unfortunately, it was both in the same night, almost every night. Elmo's high-pitched, 'yeah, you like that you stupid bitch slut???' will haunt me until I die. 'Telly' stole all our money and fucked off a few weeks after I showed up, I'm pretty sure his pal 'Baby Bear' died of a meth overdose."
@@gwendolynstata3775 Well, now I know how my next nightmare will look like.
@@gwendolynstata3775 hahahaha
grover is just me playing sims, slapping weird rooms onto the side of a pre-built house
Akin to the work of God, Grover made his design imperfectly, leaving his subjects to question why
speak your truth
9/10 comment
This is the first and only time grover has been compared to a god.
Oh my god, It just clicked for me why he staggered the garage. Its the stairs! He added the stairs and didn't adjust the rooms to match, just pushed out that half of the garage!
This is fascinating to look at.
Wait you’re smart
But if he staggered the stairs, why wouldn’t he just keep the garage doors on a flat wall, and give the right half more space... oh, nevermind, it’s inscrutable anyways.
@@iversiafanatic we may never know
But it was staggered in the photoshop from before he started building! Or did he already have the stairs? What is going on?
To be clear, I'm talking about decisions he seemingly made in the design phase. I'm not saying he physically moved walls after he built them.
Apparently as of 2019 Google Street View, Groverhaus is still standing. Though it seems the garage isn't being used, since grass can be seen growing in front of both doors. There's also an air conditioner in the upstairs, implying the central air he had planned didn't end up working.
Good for the Enviroment!
Wonder if they still I’ve there. Is he still active online?
I wonder if it has something to do with the questionable stability of the concrete pad. Maybe putting a few thousand pounds of vehicle onto it promotes further sinking.
Dude i spent so many hours trying to find it yesterday on googlemaps, any chance you can message me co-ords or something? i gotta see that sweet sweet streetview!!
E F you really think this guy put that much thought into it? I’ve poured cement to level off a patio. That shit is hard work and that maybe 9x8 space took like 150-200 pounds of concrete just to get it decently level for those stick on vinyl tiles.
"They said we were FOOLS to build a house extension in the swamp, but we built it anyway! And then it fell over 1.5" and sunk in the swamp (except for the sewage pipes, those rose from the swamp.)"
"Then we built another one, that sank into the swamp too. Then we built a third one, it burned down, fell over AND sank into the swamp."
"But the fourth one stayed up (sort of), And that’s what you’re going to get, Son, the strongest house extension in all of the dismal swamp!"
This whole skit right here is just what I was looking for! Thank you all!
This sounds like an exerpt from Dark Souls or something
“Load bearing drywall” is one of the funniest terms I’ve ever heard and I had no idea it originated from Groverhaus until today
Your pfp is the strangest Sonic PC I’ve ever seen
Grover is being haunted by dead sheds full of spiders and he has to confuse them. He must build until he dies. He cannot let them discover the beating hearts of his family.
Like Sisyphus, Grover must chase the spiders away from his shed to see his family but once he gets to the last spider 10,000 more spiders show up
Isn't this the story behind the Winchester Mystery House?
@@tomhsia4354 pretty much
"Lazlo's hierarchy of "you know, these might be nice's's" "
Stop trying to murder me Rabbit Man.
How are they talking about?
The GroverHouse was created with the Sims 1 engine
ive never even played sims but i think it deserves a bit more credit tbh
I would argue this was done in the Sims 4 engine but only using that prebuilt room feature nobody ever uses and NOTHING else.
@@xxCrazyIzzyxx can't be sims 4, the stairs are L shaped kappa
@@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock. A 500$ Product OMEGALUL
Looks complex enough to be done in the Sims 2 lol
My dad was a plumber his entire life and moved on to be foreman on some big construction jobs. He renovated our house many years ago. The plumbing was perfect and never had issues, but everything else was shit. In his case, I think it was very much an "I'm a man and I work in peripherally the same field, so I can totally do this." Pure idiotic hubris.
His mistake was not making it all out of pipes.
This is not like the 30s where people have to rely on DYI because there was little help to be had, these guys are just Ego tripping because likely their Dads did it at one point, but unlike Gramps who did it the best he could these guys are just making big and Important stuff like they are legos and even legos get more care in their building process than this.
My dad also built our house. He is very skilled and asked around how to do things so it is actually pretty well built. The biggest problem is that he automated stuff before it was a thing so it's almost impossible to know every quirk of the house.
This is like that one episode of _The Simpsons_ when a hurricane destroys Ned Flanders's house and the rest of the town tries to rebuild it.
We painted the dirt! Pretty clever ;)
Thats right where my brain went too lol.
careful, that's a load-bearing poster
AAAH HELL DIDDLY DING DONG CRAP!!!
"Hey, I may be ugly and hate-filled, but I've, um-- What was the third thing you said?"
I like how even though there's like, a regular house that they live in right next to it, they apparently chose to celebrate christmas in the unfinished extension
Grover definitely insisted they celebrated it in his extension
It was his way of saying "Sorry I blew all of the money for presents on this DIY nightmare, but at least we have more space now!"
I definitely think he set that up for the picture
It was a common theme of the entire debacle: a lot of the images of unfinished construction work had toys visible in the shot, meaning that Grover and Mrs. Grover let their kids play near unfinished parts.
I wonder if Grover’s wife makes him sleep in the addition man cave
When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
when your only problem is bearing load, every problem looks like drywall
Came here expecting nothing and got some House of Leaves level of non-euclidean architecture.
lovecraft would be proud
There are angles with greater than 360 degrees
@@changingyoutubeusernameisn7302 I imagine Lovecraft listening to that and thinking "THOSE ANGLES ARE DIMENSIONS NOT OF OUR UNDERSTANDING".
5 corners in square room!
ergodic storytelling through architecture
Slightly disappointed this wasn't a house with interior/exterior decoration exclusively themed around the Sesame Street character.
I expected a cult like community of sesame street otherkin
This guy is just a clown, not a fuzzy monster.
I am pleased, Sir Fredrik Knudsen.
(OLD: Fredrik Knudsen, it's been three years. You still owe us another "The Warrens" Episode... )
Yeah does anyone know what's happened to him? Should we start a sub-reddit? XD
@@Dev1nci looks like you had the same idea as me didnt expect such a fresh comment
@@Dev1nci he's a furry vtuber now.
@@Dev1nciit's been two years since he's even made a down the rabbit hole episode? Should we be worried? Where the fuck did he go? Does somebody know? Did he slip and fall down the rabbit hole??
@@kristopherguilbault5428he's a good chunk of the way through making like a 6 hour documentary about the entire history of eve online.
Another infamous SA thread in the vein of the groverhaus is called Doobies Dog House. Doobie is to restaurants what Grover is to real estate.
Oh no
Yum store bought pies and shitty hotdogs from a racist!
Last I saw he was a truck driver now
Doobies is a bit different because the goons actively gave the racist hot dog man their children's Christmas money before they decided to mock him. Grover literally built his source of mockery all by himself which makes it much funnier. That said, DDH would be a great Internet Historian video, lots of opportunities for funny edits and such
Shukterhouse Jive That was a mod who gave his Christmas funds to Doobie.
_piled high_
As an SA goon, it was quite the pleasant surprise to find the Groverhaus featured here. If you've heard of the podcast 'Well There's Your Problem', the Groverhaus was featured as the podcast's Patreon-exclusive content, and definitely worth a buck or two.
One of these days Grover is going to build a really shitty Tower of Babel to kill God for making him fail.
I love that in any other online community Grover would have being, at best, the dude you see in a 500 comment youtube thread arguing that he knows how the marines work cause he has prestige in call of duty, but on SomethingAwful he rose to such a high position that it took his entire forum rebelling against him for anything to happen.
Goons are the gift that keep on giving lmao
Wait until you hear about the mod of the drugs subforum, and the drug advice he would give to people
Soul Reaver reference in your profile picture. I see you.
And everytime you say he doesnt know what he was talking about he just repeats his last point with a different wording to try to convince you somehow
Funny thing, he seems to have thought he understood military structure and believed he had an "equivalent rank of Lieutenant Colonel" as a civilian contractor.
He worked in an on-base recycling facility.
"Well There's Your Problem" is absolutely hilarious, everyone should listen to them.
My favorite engineering disasters podcast, with slides, that is itself a disaster.
@@DaNinjaWalrus any/any pronouns here
And don't forget there's no jokes :)
Next week we’re doing an episode on the Tacoma Narrows bridge.
@atticusphone the planning of engineering projects is inherently political. Also, my pronouns are hee/hee.
@atticusphone hi. No.
i hope this series continues.
fredrik: level-headed, documentarian
mike: Chaos
Fred: Golden Radio Voice Man of Reason
Mike: Jersey
I know next to nothing about building a house, but the moment I heard that he wanted to use gravel as the house's foundation made me raise my eyebrow.
I’m a Mechanical engineer. I call experts all the time. For instance, ANYTHING ELECTRICAL!!!
the house looks like something i would make on the sims for a throwaway family
What bugs me the most is the windows. Every one of them is a different size. It's so wrong
The Grover House is art; it's a creation that perfectly embodies the soul of its creator.
@raccoononymous - That was beautiful, dude.
Yes. One of my favorite Podcasts on TH-cam. Hope to see more in the future
I know how busy Fredrik is but I really wish these were more frequent, I love em
"i'M gOiNG to iMprEss mY wIfE aNd bUilD a sHed."
- Fredrik Knudsen, 2020
Being a didact for Regular Car Reviews
Grover is that you?
@@PanAndScanBuddy If I was Grover, I'd probably dive straight into the indignant "Well, actually..." paragraphs lmao x
I just found the way Fred said that funny so thought I'd quote it lol x
So, I'm related to several engineers and one of my relatives is eerily similar to Grover. If I wasn't certain that my relative has no idea what SomethingAwful is, then I would suspect that you were talking about him. He is very stubborn and will be absolutely convinced that he knows what he is doing despite being completely out of his element. When questioned, he will always double down on his opinion and, even when proven wrong, will still think his way is better. I describe him as having enough knowledge to be very unintentionally dangerous. Maybe it is a common characteristic shared among certain engineers? Who knows.
Anyway, great episode guys!
Engineers are taught that they can do anything. This is often untrue.
"what if i gave my house a tumor"
Oh thank god. I was worried this series was going to go the way of the Grim Archives after the longer delay between episode 2-3 then 1-2. I love both of you and the subjects you talk about, please keep it going!
there is a lot of great fred/mike content on mike's channel too
I felt like I just watched a Half in the Bag, complete with Mike making a Star Trek reference.
I really wanna see Will Graham recreate the construction of this house in his mind. "This is my design"
I am on my hands and knees begging you to do another Warrens video.
not at all, i need more mike and fred in my life. these two by themselves are fantastic and together they are just the greatest.
WellThereIsYourProblem covers The Austrian Wine Scandal, you cover GroverHaus. Podcast Centipede
need to talk about the "woman enticing bathroom" with the guy who cut into floor joists under the bathtub next
Yes, this guy and his ugly ass bathroom is just sublime. Don’t remember his name though, but I will remember that bathroom on my death bed and die giggling like an idiot
DOOM bathroom! Username beatmastrJ
So you're telling me the final fantasy house isn't the only crazy house we can hear about on the internet?
What about those dangerous “haunted” house attractions that make you sign a death waiver?
@Alexander Scales There are. Noted lolcow Kevin Gibes is a member of a crazy house.
@Alexander Scales Fun fact: Sarah wasn’t actually delusional, she was just a bored old lady with a shitload of money who built a weird house for the hell of it
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 if i had a lot of money i would probaly be building parts of the house not to be functional but for the hell of it too
43:35 Why does the shed have a gunport like it's some Spanish galleon?!
For the pipe, duh.
I remember seeing a post saying that it’s exhaust for a gas generator which is in there which raises several other questions
Probably couldn't figure out how to make a hole in the wall just to fit the pipe so he removed the whole panel.
doot doot 🎵
He read Mortal Engines and he thought "just in case"
The shed-pipe is a vent for saw-dust to be blown out of i'd wager. He said it was also a wood shop.
More like a wood STOP
I thought maybe he was going to throw in a sink or something?
Why does it have to be that long? Why is the end of it pointed up? Like I get what you're saying, but how can he manage to even fuck up something as basic as "Pipe that sawdust travels through"?
Poor sod has all that money and no dedicated extractor hardware
It's actually a periscope
The staggered wall looked to be to fit in the stairs without giving up garage space in that spot. It's literally what I do in the Sims when I overlook some detail like that.
Okay, but you have to consider: This was staggered in his "design document"; he committed to an oversight rather than just redesign it.
22:47
That blew my god damn mind. This Grover guy is 100% a deep learning AI pretending to be a real person.
Fred's laughter during that segment was absolutely blessed
@@dimentio1030 That sent me as well lol XD
"Well There's Your Problem" is a fantastic podcast that covers engineering disasters. for groverhaus specifically, i believe you missed the post grover made about invading iraq:
How long will it take to capture Baghdad? 2 days
Will Saddam be killed? Yes
Total Iraqi civillian casualties: 500 dead
Total military casualties Iraq: 3000 dead
Total military casualties U.S.: 15 dead
Will the Iraqi army regulars hold the lines? No
Will the Republican Guard fight to the end? No
Will chem/bio weapons be used on invading troops?: Yes
Will Saddam launch attacks on the Kurds? Yes
Will Saddam launch attacks on Israel? No
-If yes; will Isreal retaliate harshly? Yes
Will Saddam sacrifice Baghdad (gas/nuke it)? No
Will the Kurds make a grab for independence? Yes
Will Iran do anything silly like try for land? Yes
Will Saddam burn the oil fields? Yes
How long will the US be occupying Iraq? ~15 years
Will the Iraq war catalyze increased terrorism in America?No
In the long run, will this war be good or bad for the world? Good
We have to look at what those civilian casualties are- just because they're civilian doesn't make them innocent! Lets take a look at a few possibilities:
1) A civilian walking down the street to market gets killed by a cruise missile fired at the market.
2) A civilian asleep in their house is killed when their house is targetting by a smart bomb and blown up.
OK, these two are regrettable innocents being killed- but since the US doesn't make a habit of targetting markets or houses, they're very small in number!
3) A civilian working at a chemical weapon factory gets killed when the chemical weapon plant is bombed.
4) A civilian security guard at a weapons depot is killed when the weapons explode.
5) A civilian contractor repairing a tank is killed by a MOAB dropped on the unit.
6) A civilian engineer is killed when the military command center he works at is destroyed.
7) A civilian delivering snackiecakes to the baghdad bunker vending machines eats a 5,000lb bunker buster.
etc, etc. The list goes on. My point is that there are a lot of civilians directly supporting the military that aren't exactly "innocent" and would be mire rightly counted among the military casualties than civilian. I'm a civilian and work for the US military, but I acknowledge I'm also a valid military target because of what I do. And I think the vast majority of civilian casualties in this campaign will not be innocent.
Wow, he fucking nailed absolutely everything.
I feel bad for example #7.
Stocking those things without eating all the snackiecakes yourself is hard enough already.
That is surprisingly realistic (except for the casualty numbers) for someone as deluded as Grover.
19:35 Being an engineering student myself, I have to say that it is a very poor engineer that fails to consider the usability of their design. I think this is more accurately categorized into a different problem engineers often experience: egotism.
If Grover is an electrical engineer, he will have absolutely no expertise whatsoever in construction, besides how the electrical appliances work internally. (Important to note that an electrician's skillset is required to actually install the stuff safely and efficiently.) However, because of his training in problem solving and his high opinion of himself, he thinks "well this can't be so hard, what's to stop me from learning it?" and this is the result. If you're an entry level intern at an engineering firm with somebody double-checking your work, fucking up is fine, but if you're building a place for your family to live in, it's not.
Call people who know what they're doing, folks. It saves everybody time and money.
Yeah that's what I was thinking throughout the video, because if it was actually done the utilitarian way like Mike said he was working in, then the design would function but be just barebones. This is just straight up Grover over-estimating his own skillset and it shows because he does almost everything that Infrastructure Engineers and Construction Management students are told not to do when it comes to designing and building a building for housing.
Would love to see your take on TikTok’s tunnel lady, seems like a good warrens, not enough for a DTRH, but she’s got an unusual way about her, recreating dramatic moments she’s had, digging illegal tunnels, making a makeshift diesel winch, risking multiple tunnel fires, staking stone from the ground to ‘build her castle’ at another undisclosed location, ruining the water tables, bothering her neighbours, getting shit down by the government. Videoing her neighbour trying to cut her wires, keeping ‘artwork’ in her house made by her severely mentally ill subrenters, which are just odd notes to no one. Seemingly also apparently appropriating Indian culture cause she travelled there for a few years. She’s got an incredible unusual cadence, I’m autistic and probably also do but even she stands out to me as odd. There’s definitely a lot of room for humour there. Her name is Kala, or EngineerEverything (she’s not a civil engineer btw) or just tunnel girl on TikTok.
Mike actually died tragically by falling out of a window after he and Fred had a fight Fred didn’t want to talk about it but that’s why there hasn’t been any new episodes
Rest in spaghetti
He fell out that window right next to the stairs, thanks Grover...
@@alandashcar1453 it came to me in a dream
@@alandashcar1453 when it's time brother. When it's time.
He's still active on Twitch and had a VOD uploaded with him and Fred 2 days ago. I'd say that news of his death and falling out with Fred have been... Greatly exaggerated
As someone in the process of building a shed, I came here to have a good time and just feel so personally attacked right now.
I love this series! You two make a great combo!
I love Frank Nudeson and Jabronithan Michaelangelo
For some reason, this just makes me think of the swamp castle from Monty Python and the holy grail. “Other kings said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all them same, just to show ‘em. It sank into the swamp.” Not sure why...
On one of my worst days of 2020, this video comes out and makes my day a bit better. ❤️ thank you so much for this content!
I hope your day keeps getting better ❤
its only half way over, it'l get worse
I really treasure seeing this almost as much as DTRH proper. Furthermore mike is such a good foil for Fred, the two really play off each other well
I never heard about the Grover House...and because these two are covering it, I'm not sure if I really want to find out.
It's too fascinating to ignore.
That pause after "Maybe he thought it looked cool," was so good.
and here I was hoping this'd be about a group of people living together who all claimed to be grover from sesame street
So funny listening to you guys rant about having a living room on the upper story when that's literally how all the houses in my area are set up
god my parents pretty much renovated our home themselves as my dads an engineer so he could do electrical stuff and my mum is an insane person so she could go for hours at a time doing wallpaper and shit but they sure didn't make the extension themselves. They knew that they could do all the guts but they needed a body
Your moms got a body 😏
Your dad too.
Are you Grover’s kid?
"This is my design; The Grover House story" starring Hugh Dancy.
I swear, (and I mean this as the highest compliment) if I close my eyes and listen to Mike, it sounds like I'm watching a vintage episode of Top Cat, I love it so much.
going through a lot of shit right now, thanks a lot for this and i hope you’re well.
As for the "water table" aspect of this video. Just look up "artesian wells" or "artesian aquifer." Yes Water tables can raise. and yes it can cause flooding if the equilibrium moves. My property has a well that we get all of the irrigation water that isn't used from above us through because of this. It only runs when people above us are irrigating or if there is a big rainstorm. Our water table literally sits 7 feet bellow us where I live during a rainstorm or irrigation season. Mine just does it naturally, i don't have to fuck up my septic to do it.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
yes!
Yay?
This reminds me of that episode of King of the Hill, where Hank and friends fix up the house of a man that died, and they do it right, only to have Khan and his rich friends buy the land and put up a shoddy McMansion that gets blown over by a wind storm.
"Take a fat shed rip"
things I didn't expect to hear today
I saw an incredible edit of pics of the Groverhaus with long-term nuclear waste warning messages superimposed on top. "This is not a place of honor" slammed over the 6-inch high stairless back door.
_"Grover's Groverhaus was just as bad as Grover himself"_
Hi, as someone who knew your other, more recent, work before finding this I'm really surprised by how much I liked these podcasts. I think you two bounce off eachover very well and hope the reason you didn't make more episodes together wasn't because of a falling out. I think a lot of people, myself included, would be pleasently surprised that if you both came back for another episode.
There's no falling out, you can find him chatting with Jabroni right after the eve video. I think they're both just too busy for more warrens
there's almost a hundred streams of him and jabroni on youtube
Oh thank god, I thought this was going to be some weird Sesame Street variant of the Final Fantasy House.
Okay so he 100 percent staggered half the garage to account for putting those stairs in the back in.
Which raises the question; why not just bring the right side of the garage out to be flush with the left's extension?
The man is an enigma.
Imagine getting a house in the middle of the Swamp of Sadness from Neverending Story and thinking “yeah I can build a bigger house.”
This damn house looks like something you would make in the Sims 4 with your eyes closed
I haven't watched a second of this yet but more Warrens plz.
I loved it when Well There’s Your Problem covered this with the McMansion lady.
I can’t remember if that was a bonus episode atm.
This should be talked about by everyone with a relevant platform.
There's an old saying about performing DIY tasks and maintenance on your house: there's a right way and a wrong way to do every task, and the wrong way has already been done by the previous tenant.
From that perspective, I don't think people really appreciate the essential role Grover has played in the home maintenance ecosystem: with all the tasks he's botched up, he can be the previous tenant whose name people will curse for centuries to come (if the house somehow doesn't just fall over before then, anyway.)
This gives me so much 2006-2009 nostalgia
What I love about Fred and Mike is that they're both so incredibly respectful of each other. There's been multiple times where they make sure that the other one knows that their joking or that they're not talking too much and it really just shows that both of these guys are just great people. Great people that HAVENT POSTED AN EPISODE IN THREE YEARS but these two are the best pair on TH-cam.
FWIW Mike has more streams of him and Fred on his youtube channel. It looks like they don't cross-post them here, though. As of this writing, the most recent one was two weeks ago.
Thank you for alerting me to the podcast 'Well, There's Your Problem' - it's hilarious and I can't stop listing to it!
I want more episodes of The Warrens, you're my favorite podcast duo
The staggered garage looks like House on rainbow six siege
It would make a very difficult level lol
Fredrik Knudsen, we need alot more warrens. Love these things, you and Mike also make a great couple. Please, give us more warrens!
Hell yeah, I was wondering when we'd get more of this!
I did hear you mention this and I tried to search it up on TH-cam but found nothing. Interesting to see where this goes.
I can't wait for the new episode that was promised while they watched say gex
I can’t wait for episode 4 of my favorite podcast
good news
@@tradescowboyhatforfedora I had no idea it was right around the corner
My dad is also an electrical engineer and I could totally see him doing something stupid like this.
My grandmother's house in vermont was built by a farmer during the settling of the state, and slowly retrofitted into a frankenstein monster with modern appliances and materials from the 50s, and later the 2000s. The house has no foundation, and the front door slowly sinks. We have to move that bit up every four years. The frame of the house has been hewn from axe-sqared tree trunks, all skyrim-looking and all. The floor on the base of the house is completely warped, undulating several feet up and down over the square footage of the first floor. The second story has a big sewer-looking grate, where the house wood stove on the first floor used to send warm air up. some of the house is drywall, some isn't. The attic is pretty dangerous, with a floor of ludicrously thin planks just lying on beams in some spots, nailed down in others. There is a horrible rodent problem throughout the house, and my Grandmother has in recent years forbade anybody from killing them. That house was built like a hundred years ago by someone who couldn't read, and in many ways you can tell more planning went into the architecture of it than Grover's house expansion.
I literally was asking myself yesterday 'Where is the next Warrens episode'.
Good timing.
PLEASE BRING THIS BACK WE MISS YOU GUYS 😭
theres almost a hundred of streams like this on mikes channels
Fred has a completely different voice when not speaking in that signature "Down the Rabbit Hole" monotone. It's fascinating. I could listen to him talk all day.
"it was like an engineer designed it"
Not really. I'm an engineer and I typically like when things work.
If you truly do, you are a unicorn and my heart goes out to you.
He was more making the point that the process seems born from a 1 track mind. There are many facets to home building and design. Engineering in terms of material and fastner selection, truss and joist design etc. Architecture in terms of layout and integration to existing floor plan, electrical layout, windows and doors etc. Interior design in terms colors and finishes, fixtures furniture etc... where the grover house is clearly lacking in many of these aspects. He was more worried about if he could and didn't stop to wonder if he should.
A blind engineer.
@@HVACNoLife I can't speak to building designers since my experience is in a manufacturing environment, but I and other engineers I worked with had to prototype their designs and take responsibility for them until they were obsolete or heavily revised. If it's a pain in the ass for me, it'll be a pain in the ass for technicians and I'll hear about it pretty quickly.
Work but not soothe or please, is what they mean. The function over form thing
I have to say, I really like the longform style of these podcasts. I know you were talking in episode 1 about keeping them down to 40 minutes at the most, but I really like them long like this.
10:46
You should have seen the window in my childhood home going to the 3rd floor. It was basically at ground level, meaning you could slide down the stairs and straight out the window, if you really wanted to. Or trip on your way down and roll out of the window.
“And the worst part is, it’s in a swamp”
Not quite. The worst part is it’s in the Great Dismal Swamp specifically, a coastal region of Virginia that gets absolutely decimated by tropical storms and hurricanes every year. It’s a miracle that add-on didn’t topple over come hurricane season.
I just learned about a groverboat, and it's a very similar story, guy builds boat for 15 years, yells at anyone who gives him advice and the result is it can barely float. Called the sv seeker
though my experiences i can confirm that many engineers and scientist Do infact think like deep-learning AI's