@@OutragedPufferfish that’s true too. It’s becoming society
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Removing the fathers without understanding the value provided... Discipline makes adults. It can definitely go overboard but without any the results are far worse.
@@TeacherKellyTag I noticed this as well. Since you are a teacher, I must ask you: why do teachers and administration tolerate the bullying? Why do they blame the victim? Why do they keep enabling instead of punishing the bully? I have no understanding of this matter whatsoever. As someone from the inside, perhaps you could explain it to me.
@@HOTTIUSMAXIMUS I’m not sure I can answer for all teachers/admin but I can attempt. I think some believe it’s 2 people not getting along and not bullying. Some admin and teachers just don’t want to deal with parents. Something that happened to me: I had some students in my class bullying one particular kid. They were smart enough not to do it in front of me so I didn’t know. When this kid would tell on them a group of them would say it didn’t happen that way. If you didn’t see it happen, and you can only go off what people are telling you, you will go with the majority. I found out later this extended to the bus and they were truly bullying him in several ways and places. So sometime it’s a lack of knowledge and it becomes “he said, she said”.
@@TeacherKellyTag respectfully speaking, I don’t understand that answer for this reason. We all grew up and experienced it at some form or another in school. We all know what the targets look like and we all know what the bullies look like. Yes, they’re smart enough not to do it in front of the teachers. However, since we experienced it growing up, I find it odd when teachers don’t recognize the situation‘s.and don’t try to catch the bullies. I mean … the same kid constantly complaining of harassment from the same people and the teachers attitude is “well I didn’t see it so I can’t be sure.” Like I said, most of us experienced these situations ourselves in school, so I don’t understand why it isn’t more recognizable,
@andrewdeehan6292 Admin may think that teachers are replaceable. But their pattern of unsupportive behavior is causing new hires to leave after 1-2 years time after time again.
@@TeacherKellyTag I remember my middle school days. We were sometimes called the Byron Brats. Byron was the name of the school. The students were awful. However, I remember one exception who really was always nice, and you probably saw him. A guy named Peter Ostrum. You might know him as "Charlie" in Disney's movie "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory". He really was nice.
@@guysmiley515 Well, we didn't just meet, we went to the same school, so we would run into each other every now and then. He was a year older than me so we weren't in the same classes. Of course the whole school knew him.
@@guysmiley515 I never cared for the movie that much. I only watched it once. HOWEVER, I did come away with one conclusion. The real life person Peter Ostrum was NICER than the character (Charley) he portrayed. He was NEVER a Byron Brat.
@@alanking6240 Exactly! We need the parents to partner with us and punish their kid. I actually had someone comment on this video and say "You're telling me to punish my kids at home?" Yes, i am.
Not disagreeing with anyone, but here is my 2 cents. (61 y/o white male) In 1970, first grade of public school, most kids were respectful…too young to be racist or sexist. 1973 we moved near a private school. All white children. Smaller classes, better teachers, materials provided for everyone. All the children were offspring of doctors and lawyers mostly (rich people). We went on field trips and attended local special events. We had no issues (fights, drugs or legal problems). I had obtained an 8th grade education by grade 5. In 1977, we moved again. This time a public school near “the projects” (6th grade). It was a madhouse! The black students behaved like animals and about half the white students acted like scared little rabbits. There were knife fights, small time drug dealing, tardy or just awol students (literally just walk out, leave school). Some larger black males would extort money from the smaller children, strong armed robberies. I had my $100 jacket stolen. The lady teacher said, “I didn’t see nuthin”. I was sick the day the principal got stabbed by a FEMALE student.😮 After that, my parents had me switched back to the private school (20 miles away, thanks mom!) BTW, this was in a city of 25,000
I taught in the South Bronx and Harlem for three years. The insults and racism against white teachers was enormous. Teachers would just quit. Walk out the door. Run for their lives. After three years I quit too.
@@map3384 Yes, I experienced this in my school too. I didn’t want to open a can of worms and talk about race because then I thought the other reasons would be overlooked. You would tell kids to stop talking and it was always because you were “racist”.
My son told me he had a horrid teacher and said, "Mom you should see him."' So one day (with permission) I walked in. Son's jaw dropped. I stayed the entire class. Nothing wrong with the teacher, but something wrong with my son's mouth. I asked the teacher if he was always like that. The teacher said it was my son's best day that year. Don't believe your kid, check it out. You may be in for a surprise. The teacher was just fine. Later that year he got caught throwing spitwads in he bathroom. They were going to put him in detention for a day, but I knew he would never make it. I talked with the counselor and as a team decided that cleaning the bathrooms after school for a week would be fitting. This meant I had to come in and babysit him because it was not the janitor's job. What is more important in life, taking off work a few hours for your kid or not. It was worth it, For me, the next year I went back into education and taught in middle school, the same middle school. My son was told I would kiss him in front of the school in the school commons if he misbehaved. He believed me and he was a good kid all year. At the end of the year I said, "You really did good this year." He said, "Mom, I knew you''d do it" and he was right. How did he turn out, five kids. Five kids that like to go our and do community service projects and a dad who does a lot of community service. His favorite is ski patrol because he can take his kids while he volunteers. Junior high kids need love, and they need parenting. When they get in trouble, they need you to drop work and put them first. Their future depends on it.
@@TeacherKellyTag Thanks, it was work. We had some kids work to get a teacher fired. They actually liked him, were just doing it for fun. He quit and he was really a good teacher. Other teachers also quit at the same time because of the power the kids had.
@@TeacherKellyTag Honestly, can you expect anything else from liberalism? Liberals do not believe in disciple and you see this with many of Biden's DA's.
@@TeacherKellyTagTell me if this sounds crazy. What if, right next to the bill of rights, there was a bill of responsibility. One of those responsibilities should be parents teaching kids respect. I know, it's NUTS! I'm Loonie as a Canadian dollar, aren't I?
@@TeacherKellyTag I quit teaching high school in Canada because of the politicization of the curriculum and #Diversity leading to teachers getting assaulted and no one getting punished
I agree- middle school was the WORST!!!! After 17 years in education, I would not set foot back in a classroom in this country! There’s not enough money in the world to make me tolerate this kind of abuse. Really no one should have to in their professional career. It is unbelievable what teachers are expected to tolerate, from students, parents, and the administration sometimes.
There is definitely Life after the classroom! I’ve done tutoring, travel teaching, adult Ed, homebound students. Educational companies are another resource, or even positions within the district office.
I taught Middle School in Baltimore (near where they filmed “The Wire”) for two years. Watching this was almost triggering PTSD. Once I was trying to calm a kid down when he stabbed me so hard in the chest with some fancy pen that it went through my button up shirt, under shirt and skin (deep), so there I was trying to calm him down with a pen sticking strait out of my chest and blood running all the way down to my pants. He got suspended all of two days for that, so yeah, I get it.
Wow, that is terrible. I heard that after I left this school, the next year a teacher was kicked in the head, got a concussion, and the student only got a 10 day suspension
I worked as a school nurse in all areas of Baltimore city for 5 years. I remember one school where one of the staff members said "just walk like you're not afraid and they won't bother you" .. I grew up in the DC area I dont scare easily. Never had a problem but yeah some of these schools and areas looked like a war zone
I agree; however parents can sometimes teach their children they are “better” children go to school thinking they are better than other kids & better than the teachers.
I remember being a student in middle school. We ( not me ) were the worst kids ever. Inner city urban rough kids caused teachers to quit, destruction of property, no responsibilities, walking on the roof, jumping out of windows, throwing desks, food fights, boys going to bathroom without permission, fights everyday. Detentions suspensions no effect. I feel sorry for the nervous breakdowns of these teachers. Other teachers just continuing to teach just for the 5 kids who actually cared. All this before cellphones
Yes! Everyone wants to talk about higher pay. Which sounds nice and all but that alone isn’t enough to endure everything educators have to put up with.
Middle school in general is a terrible place to be. I hated it for all 3 of my children. In fact for my youngest and only girl I took her out of public school and placed her in private because it was so terrible. I often wonder who the heck is raising these kids? My heart goes out to middle school teachers. I can’t imagine not feeling supported while shaping a persons life literally. M glad you are in a better place now in your teaching career.
That’s so rough for your daughter but glad you got her out of that environment. Even people who didn’t hate middle school never say that it was the best time of their lives. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I absolutely lost my job in one district because four female students disliked me and found me creepy (as a male teacher). They made all sorts of wild accusations, despite the entire faculty knowing I'm gay, and coerced a boy to act as if I said something inappropriate to him, which later led to the superintendent informing me that I either could quit voluntarily or have it be public record that I was not going to be recontracted.
How awful! They really just don’t know the extent of the damage they did. Lying about something like that can ruin someone’s life. I hope you were able to move on and find work in a better place.
My last year of teaching a boy tried to claim i hit him when my nail scrarped his arm in passing as i pushed a workbook across the table. They even reviewed video footage with admin & parents without my knowledge but they had nothing. The kid just wanted to bring me down. I didn't attend that graduation because I had COVID bt Iknow God was protecting me. I will never teach junior high again. I will quit before that ever becomes my life again. I lost years of my life to stress anxiety depression isolation and fear trying to teach ELA to horrifyingly cruel and disrespectful anti-American immigrant offspring.
❤so happy you’re happy! Yes reason #1 is all I needed. The lies are unbelievable! This is a different kind of lack of motivation. It’s disruptive laziness!
Glad you are in a better place that you enjoy! Middle school is tough! Preschool is fun and you can have a great time with the kids. Thank you for sharing!
2nd, 3rd, and 4th grade is awesome and my preferences. All 3 grades are in the middle. Old enough to be independent and young enough to be innocent (for the most part anyways).
All of this siding with the kids and giving kids more power is really hurting the kids in the long run. One of the first thing i learned when i got out of high school was that nobody was gonna put up with my sh!t. Once the kids gets out of the pampered school life, life will hit them hardcore
@@dcoldestjenkins5868From what I have been told from friends who taught overseas, teachers in Asia are both highly respected and well compensated. Good luck to you!
I taught middle school for twenty three years. You are absolutely correct on all counts. Administrative cowardice and indifference is a huge factor in the burnout. Thuggish, gang involved 12 year olds and their neck tattoo'd step parents. No genuine leverage over disciplinary issues no matter how large or small. Being treated like chattel slaves by ignorant, poisonous parents. But hey, the pay stinks, too!
@@TeacherKellyTag I’m a coach for 2nd graders, and it’s terrifying because I remember being fearful of adults at that age. These children have no discipline, no respect, no fear. And when you give them a consequence, somehow you’re the bad guy.
I am Air Force Retired (32 years) I have a Masters in Curriculum and instruction. I will only Sub. You are 100% right. I had a group of students in a High School that tried to get me fired. I got blocked from that school. Now, I only take role, tell them to go to google classroom, and avoid all non academic conversation. I look at it as extra cash and have learned not to invest myself. Teachers will lose any battle against a student, parent, and/or admin.
@@TeacherKellyTag I tried K-5 a few times, not for me. The district I am at (Alvord, Riverside Ca) middle schools have zero cell phone policy and it works! The high schools are totale different. Cell phones to them is like a drug. They feel it is their right to have one and use it anytime they want. If a sub dares to tell them to put it away, all hell breaks out. I am subbing at a High School today, I have gone from "pick your battles" to "Don't even bother"
My mom has been a teacher since I was 8 years old. I'm 24 now. She says that kids now are the worst behaved they've ever been. She only has three years until she retires so she's sticking it out but she won't teach middle school anymore. She teaches kindergarten now and she can barely handle them.
I teach Pre-K. 4 yr olds. We know 4 yr olds have their own 4 yr old set of rules for life. However, I have seen violent behaviors increase over the last couple years. Violent and malicious. : (
When I got out of the Regular Army, I was considering entering the education field. The BEd program I was considering required a reference from a practicing teacher. I returned to my old high school and spoke with one of my favourite teachers, he was one who sincerely cared about the kids and was one of the only ones who was still in his classroom after hours for tutorials or simple guidance and advice. He told me quite frankly not to do it. It had only been 8 years since I graduated, but he said that the education field had changed radically during that time. Teaching children HOW to think had been replaced with WHAT to think (his words exactly). Standards were thrown out the window, replaced with “no failures” which means that the minimum effort was now zero effort. In your day, when we said “do it, or ELSE”, you didn’t ask what “or else” was, you knew it wasn’t good so you would behave. Today, the kids know there is no “or else” and behave as if there is absolutely no consequences to their actions. He even told me that he had to physically take a knife from a student in his classroom as he was about to stab another student during class. He was a big man and easily overpowered the student until the police could be called. In a nutshell, he said that you spend less time teaching than you do being like a lion tamer, trying to control unruly undisciplined kids. This was back in the late 1980s by the way. Needless to say, I took his advice and did not take that BEd program or any other for that matter. Looks like he was right, I would not have enjoyed the journey. I would have been frustrated by all the woke crap that had to be taught, instead of the subject matter. The world isn’t filled with unicorns and rainbows, and my experiences in the Army taught me that you have to be prepared for that mean, cruel world, or get eaten alive. These kids are being set up for a real rude awakening. I probably would have been that “mean teacher” that the kids would try to get fired, not because I hit them or anything but because I tried to prepare them for life. I think I made a wise move.
This is an excellent video with excellent information. It's understandable why many teachers end up quitting teaching middle school. Many teachers end up quitting teaching middle school due to disrespectful students, difficult parents, lots of grading, often having to cover other classes during planning periods, etc. I wish you the best at your preschool teacher job.
I worked for a public school for 5 years. I wasn't even a teacher, I was in IT, but I witnessed everyday what teachers had to deal with. As far as IT went, I had to deal with kids deliberately breaking computers and computer equipment, just for the fun of it. There was lots of talk about consequences, but never any follow-through. When I was a kid, the teachers and school officials were always considered to be in the right (even when they weren't). Today, it's the exact opposite.
@@redstickham6394 To the point that they're *never* considered right? Everyone is wrong sometimes. In the past, we started with an assumed respect for authority. That's the part that is missing entirely now, and we can easily see the results.
@@kadster65 I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it contributed to the problem. In the past the kid was always wrong and that wasn't good. Now the schools are always wrong and that isn't good either.
I totally agree! I saw the kids breaking equipment too and bragging that there were no consequences. They didn't even have to pay for replacements until they broke three.
@@redstickham6394 I agree with this. I think in the past the teachers were believed even when they shouldn't have been. As the kids grew into adults they only believed their kids. The pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.
Ugh, what a nightmare Kelly. I have had many many bad experiences teaching in the public schools too, particularly when I taught 5th and 6th grade for my practicum. Luckily most of my classroom experience was Gr 1 - Gr 3 which I liked. I don't know how you did it and came out mostly unscathed! Great video.
As a boy i was very naive . . . German born background. And i took my parent's word about school as gospel. I believed in my USA schooling IMPLICITLY. I took it all to the point of getting a bachelor's degree majoring in physics. And then i was accepted into the master's program as a teaching assistant. But that's when i had a great awakening. Some would call it a nervous breakdown. Long story short . . . at 75 i believe all teaching done by strangers (professional teachers or otherwise) is counterproductive. It produces nothing more than sausage links from a meat factory all of whom think alike. It boggles the mind why people would have children and then hand their training over to complete strangers. MADNESS is the only word i can come up with.
I agree with some of what you said. I think homeschooling is a great option if you can do it but not everyone can. Public school can depend where you live. My son went to a public school only 5 minutes from this one and it was MUCH better. Private school can be a great option for those that can afford it.
As a dad, I would sit with both of my children while they worked on homework or projects. I would always encourage them that we will do this we’ll get it done. To me, it’s my job. It’s what I signed on for. Where did I learn it? From my dad.
@@philovance1940 That seems very nice. But i'm also looking at results. For instance how did all that TLC turn out ?? Where are the kids now ?? What professions or jobs do they have ? Do they have a happy family life now that they're grown up ??? Don't answer. I'm just saying results matter. Nice process but what is the outcome . . . finally ?
95% of all disruptive behaviour in my classes were caused by kids who all had two things in common, they were black and came from a home with no father in the picture.
In 30 years of teaching, I had ONE Father say, " if my Son is acting up in your class, He will not play football or basketball or any other sports UNTIL he improves……. Bad grades or bad behavior….either one is unacceptable……I was stunned. The man came from work (dirty clothes, looked worn out) but insisted his Son be respectful to all adults…… our world would be much different if this was the norm…. SO HAPPY I’M RETIRED
So far I’ve home schooled up until high school. I’ve walked in to my kids school with dirty cloths. I farm, it’s not all clean and easy. The secretary looked at me like I was dirt. Then one day, I walked in with my airline pilot uniform on to talk with students about aviation. She was speechless. A few weeks later, I walked in with my Marine Corps Officers Dress Blues. Big screaming Eagles sparkling under the lights. I talked to kids about the opportunities in the military, having been in the Reserves for 26 yrs. I’m equally proud of each. Because one’s look reflects hard, physical, dirty work, is no less dignified than an airline Captain, or a Military Aviators uniforms.
Wonderful video. Completely accurate. Teachers, especially middle schoolers, are grossly underpaid and under appreciated. Good for you for getting out and finding a better position! 💪👏
Hi Kelly, thanks for your honest video. I know teachers who have had very similar experiences. I'm glad you're now out of that situation and having fun at Pre-School ❤
Kelly, your video is the first honest one I've viewed concerning the problems teachers face and why they retire. Student behavior, parents, and lack of administrative support are the real reasons teachers quit the profession. When I was blamed for students not passing the SOLs, I decided after 32 years of teaching that my time was at an end. The students had taken the SOLs multiple times before I was assigned as their teacher. Holding me solely responsible for their lack of success (even though, on average, the entire class had improved over previous attempts) seemed most unfair. So, I packed up my things and collected my full retirement. Being retired is a beautiful experience!!!
@@TeacherKellyTag Yes, the Tidewater Area. Though I've been retired for 9 years, when I seriously think about what I endured for 32 years so I could provide for my family, I share a few tears. Today, I encourage those considering teaching to try the college/university level. I enjoyed teaching as an Adjunct at the Community College and University levels. (They are going in the wrong direction too. But they are not quite all there yet.) Please continue your work. Thank you.
I’m so glad it’s going well for you! We need teachers especially in middle school. Are you in the USA? What state or geographic area do you live in? Just curious because that can make a difference. My son’s school was only 5 minutes down the road from this one and was VASTLY different. It didn’t have all the problems this one had. I hope you have a great school year.
I was extremely well trained. My first certification was in Special Education in the area of Learning and Behavioral Disabilities. I was also certified in Nursery to grade 6 General Elementary Education. My Master’s Degree was in the area of Learning and Behavioral Disorders. I worked in the Public Schools working in Self Contained Classes for 30 years. 12 years in Elementary education and 18 years in the Middle School. It was difficult at times but most of the time I enjoyed it. I experienced some of the issues you discussed. I also was a case manager for 2 years in the Pre-school setting working with Special Education students. I basically loved teaching,however I am glad those days are behind me. I truly understand the stress teachers are working with on a daily basis.
As a parent of a 15 and 13 yo I am mortified for you! So glad I am an old school parent and my kids know how to respect people in charge. I got a lot of flack from peers and parents even, suggesting I was too strict, but I am so glad it seems to be paying off so far and when the teacher calls, you had better believe changes are made, punishments are had and apologies are delivered.
Thank you so much . I thought I was going crazy for expressing the same issues. The students and parents are psychotic. I am recovering from the trauma of teaching 26 years MS and HS. You can't be an authority and a friend. The direction of teaching in the High school was becoming our of control. The job is ridiculously unsustainable. Those who continue to do it, amaze me with their resilience.
Sadly this is true of all levels, from pre-K to senior year. I'm in my 27th year of high school and am extremely lucky to have an admin and school board that supports the teachers, but am aware this can change at any moment. That being said, you could double my salary and I wouldn't cross the parking lot to teach middle school. Thank you for posting a video that every parent with a kid in school needs to see.
I've taught middle and high school. Its tough but sometimes teacher take on on too much. If the parents and admin don't want the kids in detention then don't' send them to detention. Don't talk to a parent for 45 minutes. After ten I hang up. Have the meeting in the morning before school starts. That creates a hard deadline. If a kid attacks you call the police not the admin.
What do you do instead of detention? I like these boundaries. I need to learn to have more of them. I've quit teaching middle school but all teachers need these boundaries. Thanks for your comment.
@@TeacherKellyTag Detention does not work. Forget it. Also, I am not giving up lunch to watch the kid. That's too much. Some kids just don't want to learn. That's ok with me as long as he is quiet If the kid is disrupting class then send him out and lock the door so he can't come back for that day. If the principle insists then OK let him in but assume the principal does not care about that class or the students in it. Have a seat and take that period off. Then start over the next day like nothing happened. Don't let the kid see you upset. You are only human. You can't fix this kid. Don't take it personally. He does not hater you, he hates his life. This only works if you have tenure. If you don't then buckle up and try to keep off the principal's radar. Never send anyone to the office. Never complain. Do your time as a rookie teacher and then look for a better job in a better school. Don't take work home with you.
I only taught middle school for three years and I was done. I subbed for two years before that. As an art teacher, part-time, I had 360 students on rotation. Many kids were great but every classroom had at least one that would ruin the atmosphere. Special ed students were an extra challenge. As long as they could communicate reasonably well and go to the bathroom by themselves, they were in my class without a para to assist. In one class I had three of them. They took all my time and I couldn't hardly give the other 27 students the attention they deserved. And ugh, the meetings and "staff development" that took up prep time, and the endless grading. Their art grades on their report card were only going to show O for outstanding, S for satisfactory or N for needs improvement, and of course the kids new that. It was not motivating for most of them. Yet I was supposed to spend hours doing "data entry" giving every single project a score (that's not what I went to art school for) to have the computer figure out the grades for me when it would have taken me two minutes to scan each class list and identify the few that should get O or N. It was ridiculous.
@julieelizabeth4856 When I was a sub, I mostly went to elementary schools b/c that’s my area/preference of being certified. I’ve only been to middle schools a few times. During the few times I’ve been to a middle school, I hated it. It’s so draining that I just use to let them to work independently. Luckily, teachers are good about giving the kids assigned independent work while they’re out.
I'm so sorry to hear about your disillusionment from teaching. I'm sure it was a passion and hard to come to terms with the fact. I personally had issues with bad teachers.
I keep seeing these videos pop up. I believe we will continue to see this unless things change. I quit in June 2024. It has been a challenge finding something new, but I don’t regret my decision. No amount of money is worth being abused.
So glad you got out. You’re right, no amount of money is. When there are no teachers left they’ll have to listen. I have a playlist “Alternative Careers for Teachers” if you want to check it out.
I teach middle school and high school. Only one period in the Middle School. Second year teaching and I don’t want to teach Middle School anymore. I don’t feel like a teacher but as a their mom. Constantly correcting behaviors. The disrespect, the disruption is horrible. They just don’t care and I can’t handle a 3rd year with them. Not even 45 min. Thanks for your video. #1 is the reason why I don’t want to teach Middle School kids anymore.
There is a contrived effort in this country to breed contempt for discipline and education. Teachers are fighting a loosing battle. I expect things to get worse as this becomes the norm. Thank you for your service.
My wife was a teacher at a private HS and she quit teaching because of bratty, spoiled kids, parents who believed their kids could do no wrong and an administration who was more concerned about tuition and not backing its teachers. She hasn’t taught for about 10 years and is much happier for it.
Gen X here. My teachers were my role models across grades 1-12. I look back with great memories on being in public school during the mid-late 70s and early 80s. I wish I had more vocally expressed my thankfulness afterward for the foundation they laid for me to succeed in life. I appreciate that you wanted to do right by the kids and help them achieve their dreams. Sad that parents, the kids, and administration had opposite ideas.
It's a shame that these stories are not decreasing. Admin has no solutions, and parents are facing few consequences. That's why I'm happy to bounce into a school, do an awesome science assembly and vanish! Kids were entertained, teachers got a break, and admin looked good for hiring me. I still sub upper elementary, but i don't have to stay for too long. Besides, being a 6'1", 225 lbs man is a privilege in a 3 - 8 grade school. Keep up the good work.
@ The monsters are administrators that could never make it in private business. Administrators can use evaluation tool as a weapon. I found many people I worked with in public schools had mental health problems and they abused students and staff. Parents!!! Watch closely what really goes on in public schools. Pure evil!😈 Save your own children if you are able.
An inconvenient topic but a necessary one to bring up! My reasons for quitting teaching includes all 4 for yours, and 1 more: I realise that teaching is like being paid to control others, and I don't even like many authority figures in my life that much! So it's rather complex and dark. 😅 New sub!
Are you saying you don’t want to be an authority figure to others or that you can’t stand the way admin tries to control you, or both? Thanks for the sub! Glad to have you here.
@@TeacherKellyTag it's more like I never liked the way authority figures in my early life -- parents! -- controlled me, whether by threats, punishments, or mansplaining. And yet I became a teacher, who has to do a fair amount of instrumental control and bullshitting etc. So, when I realised this similarity -- one of the outcomes on ongoing therapy and self-therapy, at that moment, I couldn't teach anymore. I just couldn't. Not sure if I m clear.
@@schoolneverteach I get that. Not sure how old you are but boomer parents definitely had a different way of doing things. The next generation rebelled against that.
I had a horrible time with bullying and fitting in as a student in public school, especially middle school. My three older kids went through the public school system because that was the only option at the time, and luckily they survived and never had behavioral issues. I would have had a conniption if they ever perpetrated any of the atrocities mentioned in this video! Now, virtual public school is such a blessing to me and my youngest who started it in kindergarten and is now in third grade. Left all the garbage behind.
Well glad you care about your children’s behavior but unfortunately not all parents do. I had the same problems as you when I was in middle school. Teaching middle school felt like being a parent all over again. Glad your youngest one found a great virtual school. I’ve thought about teaching virtually.
Very informative, and much respect to you for being (or having been) a teacher. I went to college with the intention of becoming a secondary school history teacher, and while I had knowledge of the subject, I didn't possess very much in the way of executive skills (i.e. organization, time management, prioritizing), and thus did not obtain a teaching certification. Looking at the current educational climate, though, I'm kind of glad it didn't pan out for me, as I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be able to navigate the minefield of standards, politics, students, parents and administrators that today's teachers must deal with on a daily basis.
@@TeacherKellyTag Indeed. I've kind of ended up in the healthcare revenue cycle field (i.e. handling medical records/patient insurance claims/etc.), and while my job gets repetitive at times, it's not overly stressful. I also remember distinctly when I visited a school as part of my education curriculum and the school librarian flatly told me that if I became a teacher (and I quote), "You'll work your @$$ off at two jobs, and in the end, it's not going to amount to $^*%."
@@TeacherKellyTag Indeed. I also remember watching another TH-cam video where it explained that one of the numerous failings with the modern education system is that it's still geared towards preparing students for the industrial workforce when in fact many of them will not end up in that field.
I left the Canadian public school system not long after I joined it. I saw the writing on the wall. Now I teach at a university (have been here 20 years). I make what I would have made if I had stayed 20 years in public school, (and gotten a masters degree) with 1/3 the teaching load, no report cards, no marking at home, and no dealing with parents and almost zero behavior issues. Same amount of time off, but with a budget, and my own office. I would have really regretted staying there.
@@TeacherKellyTag yes, so I tried high school, elementary and even private school. No more! I heard one of my students was going to beat me up. Really? Now I score online tests from home. This is much safer!
I have a quiet 6th grader with hearing loss who was bullied by a teacher. We are out of school now. I understand teachers stress. But I don't understand when teachers bully undeserving kids.
That is terrible. Most teachers are kind, loving people but there are bad apples in every profession. If you go under my “live” tab check out the video about “What Motivates Teens to Learn”. The author interviewed teens around the country and there are some stories in her book about teacher bullying. It’s so unfortunate.
I had an awful teacher for webpage design that made the elective class that was supposed to be fun a living nightmare. I even had other teachers that had this teacher subtly agree that this teacher was horrible. For every 80 good ones out there there is probably one bad one. She screamed in my face one day because there was an important project in another class I had to do so I couldn't go on a field trip for her elective class.
@jimmyjackson2361 If districts don’t instill consequences for students being disruptive, they have nobody to blame for students low academic performance except themselves. Teachers cannot teach in a room full of unruly kids. And behavior is contagious. It only takes 1 or 2 “bad apples” to ruin the entire environment of the classroom.
I’m a teacher. Years ago my son got an after school detention with 3-4 other boys for stupid behaviour in class. There was no teacher to monitor their detention. They decided to skip out of the detention. My son arrives home and 5 minutes later I get a call from the principal about what happened . I told my son to go back to school and serve out his detention. He did. I asked who else came back to serve out the detention. He said none.
Yeah, good question. I have a suspicion that someone was supposed to be watching them but that teacher or maybe administrator decided to get some other stuff done at the same time. Every teacher knows this is a no- no with students at that age. But we all know it happens all the time.
100% true, exactly why I left teaching too! Society here is going to hell in a handbasket. Like... it's over dude. Even kids in public that I run into at random and don't know at all are rude. As teachers, our job is to teach, not fix your kid that you messed up, or deal with all this abuse. There is no respect for anyone these days at work, especially in the helping professions like teaching. Don't do it, just don't go there. It's not what it used to be so don't look through the rose colored glasses like I did.
Exactly! These kids don’t act any differently when they go into society. They’re in for a rude awakening because most people will not be as patient as teachers.
These kids are being abandoned by their parents when they are 3 or younger. Everyone has to work long hours just to survive and they are no longer parenting their kids. Our society decided divorce was okay, kids don't need a parent at home and the schools can take care of all our problems. Every behavioral issue I come across gets excused by ADHD, bipolar, autism, special needs, childhood trauma, etc. Why are our kids so fu*(d up? Our "society" is fu*(ed up. Curriculum is imbecilic and smart kids are dropping out from sheer boredom and the desire to escape their abusive classmates.
Everything you stated here I completely believe and agree with you. Full disclosure, I do not have children, but I have a good eyes and ears. Oh how things have changed since I attended school a long time ago. If I ever mouthed-off to a teacher, even one time, I would not be here today. I thank my parents for a good upbringing, and yes I survived getting a few well deserved “cracks” from mom.
Things are sadly way different now, back in my Day when I was in trouble in school I was in trouble at home.. You can't change thing's in society and expect thing's to stay the same.. You can make shitty changes and expect Good outcomes
Certainly everything you said occurs in our public schools, but something that I noticed is that not all public schools are created equally, meaning even in our city, a middle school in a bad neighborhood had a different class of parents and students than a middle school in a much better part of town. Our city also created magnet schools, that even though they were public, had competition by both students and teachers to get into them and if you did not follow the rules you were promptly removed and sent to your neighborhood school. The teaching environment is completely different when both students and teachers desire to be there. Finally we have gifted classes and to a lesser extent advanced classes within your average middle schools where the students and teachers had a different outlook from the rest of the school they were planted in. Standard classes is where most of the misbehavior is found. My impression is that public schools are like a variety of different companies where you have some bad ones that people don't want to be at, and good ones that everyone tries to be at.
Totally agree with everything you said. My son's school was only 5 minutes away and he kept telling me that I would have a different experience at his school. Magnet schools sound wonderful. I'd love to be part of that.
I left middle school for all of these reasons!!! 7th grade was literally the beginning of bad behavior in students. I don’t miss working middle school at all! I’m currently in the elementary level and I love it!
detention should consist of consist of picking up trash on the school grounds, cleaning bathrooms, etc. Just putting them in a room doesn’t do the trick
Someone who almost got into an education career but went to law enforcement, some things i noticed. A quick background, i started as a Substitute Teacher in 2007, did student teaching in 2009, graduated and at the time in the great recession, no one wanted to hire people with masters (cheaper to hire people with just teaching licenses) (get an education you ll make alot of money....thats another discussion) well, Im thankful I went LEO, thats got its own issues, but I noticed going from one career to another, the kids when they grew up, what they got away with in middle school, that doesnt fly in the real world, and they become frequent fliers at the jail. Being a booking deputy, I've seen quite a few of my former students!
I kept saying this as I saw all the kids getting away with things. They are in for a rude awakening when they get in trouble with the law (their parents too). I can see how a teacher and law enforcement can be similar careers.
My middle-aged mother works as a childcare/teacher in a private Spanish immersion daycare preschool and elementary school. Based on what she has explained, there have been two instances (likely more) of two different children that have shown misbehaving, violent, and disruptive actions and behaviors during the average school day. I don’t remember so much from this first instance, but one child in the past did not understand to keep their hands to themselves and was constantly hitting other kids, outside on the playground and inside the school. The child was eventually written up and notified to parents of such physical bad behavior. The other child, this one being much more recent, did not care or was so tuned out in not listening and following the instructions and orders of the teachers that he thought he could show up the classroom or to lunch or to recess whenever he wanted to. My mother and the other teachers kept telling the kid that he needs to follow the school day schedule and asking him why he acts this way. Apparently at home, his parents essentially do everything for him and he doesn’t learn/become educated on showing respect and listening to authority. This child had gotten fed up with how structured everything throughout the school day was that he literally made VERBAL AND VISUAL THREATS (“you’re gonna pay for this” and making a hardened fist pointed at the teacher) to another teacher and my mother. The final straw was when this child started to violently and physically disrupt a classroom by breaking, hitting, and throwing things and objects. My mother did not intervene at all and immediately wrote this kid up to inform the parents on this insane behavior. Both of these children being at least the age of five and behaving like this, AT AGE FIVE. The parents of these said children seem like they were more frustrated and disappointed that their child was not given a chance to reform and do better in behaving in school, but clearly all of this behavior has had to have stemmed from the parent household to some extent. Even so, it seemed like the parents of the child that made those visual and verbal threats didn’t really take into consideration/account of how shocking that behavior really was (since other kids in the school were already showing fear of interacting with this said child). Both children were never taken back to this school ever since and have likely took their children to another educational institution for their concerning behaviors to continue. It’s unbelievable how incompetent and dumbfounded these kinds of “parents” of this day and age truly are when having to raise their children. I will never understand why they decided to have children in the first place when they don’t really do their dang job as parent and send their child away to daycare/school just to get them off their backs.
A,HUGE problem,is the dissolution of,the family unit. divorce, parents falling prey to drug,and alcohol abuse, parents incarcerated, parents abandoning their families etc etc ---schools are,being asked to provide discipline that they cannot do because it is not their role. The family unit is vital to society's success because that is where values like,respect are learned. If life has to teach values then the lessons will be far more consequential than if the family unit taught these values. Students missing the point of school and trying to get teachers fired will eventually and unfortunately run into life's difficulties that were a consequence of their behavior.
I sure understand what you're saying. I teach college, only because I don't have the robust temperament to tolerate exactly the kind of behavior described in this video (I admire anyone who has what it takes to teach K-12). The best I can tell you is that if this is the way they're being raised, to be entitled brats who won't take any responsibility, they're going to have a very long, surprising, and unhappy life after the finish high school.
Agreed totally, although I have taught and retired from public middle school I was raised in a parochial system I had to take home a note from my 7th grade nun. It was sealed. I handed it to my father, who looked at the envelope, did not open it, and asked what I had done to the nun. That would never happen in public schools. I once had a class of 37 middle schoolers and only 26 desks. One of those students was sleeping on the floor, I went over to her thinking to awaken her, but another student whispered "Mr R please let her sleep. She had a really bad time at home last night." The students in our tiny school in deep rural GA were respectful for the most part, but their lives interfered with their education, sorry to say. I had to come out of retirement to fill in for an 8th grade class in a very large school near Atlanta. Totally different. The students were basically mean to anyone around them. Hard to control, and learning very, very little. The principal wanted me to come back the next year, but I told her that I could not. I would never, ever return to a school like that. That made me more fond of my old tiny school, where everyone learned.
@@TeacherKellyTag It was an awful period, but I got through it well in the end. A formative experience, it's shaped much of what I have since become. I have a talent for remembering a lot of details of my life, so it's not that this time was so horrible that it's stuck in my mind, I remember most details of my life in this way. Good things too. Going off to college when I was 18 was one of my greatest experiences. Since then I have spent much of my life teaching on college campuses, and every fall I get to re-live that time of over 40 years ago. Having just begun a new semester I am doing that right now and it is fantastic.
Thanks for your years of service, Ms. Tag. I'm a middle school substitute. I can't imagine how you guys do that 5 days a week. I go home after one day never wanting to come back.
She is spot on with her assessment. It's time to bring back discipline and corporal punishment. The NEA is always whining about pay, but I think what is really necessary is supporting the teachers in the classroom is really what they want. This does not require any more money for more people are paying people more for what they currently do. (Notice she never really complained about the pay in this video.) Pay can make up only so much to keep you in your job. If a kid misbehaves, I have a list of some jobs that they could as punishment that would make them appreciate not disturbing the class. They would beg to get back in class. If the kid simply leaves class then I would wave good by to them without a second thought. Enough of the nonsense in thinking the kids are adults and maybe parents too. THEY ARE NOT! People need to wake up to reality in this country.
Agreed with almost everything you said except for the corporal punishment. Teacher pay is VERY different depending on the county or state that you live in. I’m happy with the teacher pay where I live.
@@TeacherKellyTag Things have changed for the worse since I went to school. My parents always backed the teachers first. In fact, they had a rule that whatever punishment was mettled out at school it would be twice as bad when I got home. I tutor kids now and they lack discipline in what they say and do. Sometimes you have to cut your losses with the administrators and parents who act as if the kids are adults. I grew up in a Catholic School and let me tell you the Nuns and Brothers did not put up with any non-sense. Corporal punishment did help too. I remember an electronics shop class where the teacher gave us a choice of either 2 swats with a paddle or a 1/2 hour detention after school. You know there wasn't one time that the student took the 1/2 hour detention. Everyone accepted the 2 swats. Years later it was the parents that stopped it - not the students!
@@craigmatthews4517 I feel like the way things were done in the past wasn’t perfect. There were probably times kids should have been listened to more. The pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Kids have no discipline and are running things. The parents never believe the teachers.
@@TeacherKellyTag I feel like today's ways are not perfect. If one were to judge based on results then the old ways worked far better than today's ways. Not even close. "Perfect is the enemy of good". -- François-Marie Arouet (Voltaire)
At the middle school I work at the principal holds none of the students accountable for all of their bad actions. There is no point in writing referrals or administer disciplinary action because nothing gets done.
@@armandodelrio6732 Just know that each school and district can be different. You can also try a different age or type of teaching job like I did. Best of luck to you.
I am not a teacher but I have friends who are. Several also quit middle school, or left the public school system altogether. The main reasons: undisciplined students, uninvolved parents, and non-support from administration. I encourage all parents today to do whatever it takes to put their children in private schools, or home school.
My student teaching gave me ptsd. Like yes! The kinder students were sweet and great and I loved them. But some of the adults were annoying and discouraging. My mentor teacher would say, “This kid isn’t paying attention to you lesson b/c they’re bored”. I’m sorry but being “bored” is the weakest and laziest excuse for bad behavior. I won’t even mention my experience with the observer, she was way worse. Long story short, she’s the reason I have PTSD and get anxious over observations (especially unannounced ones).
@dutchboyslim5951 Yeah, especially now a days. I mean yes! When I was in 6th-8th grade, there were mischievous chatty kids, but unlike today, teachers were allowed to give consequences. Students also HAD to earn passing grades for it to show up on their report card. If you did no work, you got an “F” in the class, period!
@dutchboyslim5951 I was fortunate enough to not experience much bullying firsthand I. Middle school. But I do recall many of my classmates being highly disrespectful and mouthing off teachers.
As a 9th grader(freshman in HS), I agree with you completely! Other students can be so annoying, defiant, wretched, list goes on and on. It sucks to see parents not discipline(presumably) their children. Even as a teen with Cyclothymia and BPD, I still try my best to treat every teacher with respect, which I do. Im glad my parents are raising me right, unlike alot of other incompetent and negligent parents. I will admit living with BPD and Cyclothymia is quite challenging, due to SO many drastic and rapid mood shifts(mainly due to the Cyclothymia), and my BPD causes me to change my perspective and feelings about people rapidly as well. Despite all of my mental disorders, I am very aware that whatever I do is MY fault and I take accountability for it. No matter how irritated, angry, depressed I can be, I do admit its my fault for what I did. So for the most part, I manage myself quite well!❤
@@TeacherKellyTagAw thanks! And im sorry for your unfortunate experience with teaching. It sucks to live with BPD, cyclothymia, and im sure i have like antisocial personality disorder. Im currently considering getting put into therapy right now, I hope it goes well(if i do) i come from a with family with mental issues, so i inherit and developed them unfortunately
Bullies are cleaver in justifying or covering up their actions or just plain lying. What’s worse is the enablers or “flying monkeys “ the bullies surrounds themselves with. Two commons phrases bullies use: “I was only playing” and “ he/she can’t take a joke.”
Brats raised by brats. It all starts from home and the lack of boundaries parents refuse to teach.
Definitely!
@@plugnut4713 In my opinion, it's not so much home life as our general culture that teaches irresponsibility and lack of boundaries.
@@OutragedPufferfish that’s true too. It’s becoming society
Removing the fathers without understanding the value provided... Discipline makes adults. It can definitely go overboard but without any the results are far worse.
@@OutragedPufferfish Yes, I agree. Everyone has free will no matter what they’re going through.
It seems like no matter how much schools talk about bullying. The school always supports the bully and punishes the victim or just turns a blind eye.
Definitely! Even bullying of teachers
@@TeacherKellyTag I noticed this as well. Since you are a teacher, I must ask you: why do teachers and administration tolerate the bullying? Why do they blame the victim? Why do they keep enabling instead of punishing the bully? I have no understanding of this matter whatsoever. As someone from the inside, perhaps you could explain it to me.
@@HOTTIUSMAXIMUS I’m not sure I can answer for all teachers/admin but I can attempt. I think some believe it’s 2 people not getting along and not bullying. Some admin and teachers just don’t want to deal with parents. Something that happened to me: I had some students in my class bullying one particular kid. They were smart enough not to do it in front of me so I didn’t know. When this kid would tell on them a group of them would say it didn’t happen that way. If you didn’t see it happen, and you can only go off what people are telling you, you will go with the majority. I found out later this extended to the bus and they were truly bullying him in several ways and places. So sometime it’s a lack of knowledge and it becomes “he said, she said”.
@@TeacherKellyTag respectfully speaking, I don’t understand that answer for this reason. We all grew up and experienced it at some form or another in school. We all know what the targets look like and we all know what the bullies look like. Yes, they’re smart enough not to do it in front of the teachers. However, since we experienced it growing up, I find it odd when teachers don’t recognize the situation‘s.and don’t try to catch the bullies. I mean … the same kid constantly complaining of harassment from the same people and the teachers attitude is “well I didn’t see it so I can’t be sure.” Like I said, most of us experienced these situations ourselves in school, so I don’t understand why it isn’t more recognizable,
@@HOTTIUSMAXIMUS I should have said that I didn’t recognize it at first. As time went on I definitely did and wouldn’t allow it in my classroom
Admin NEVER has the teacher's back. Don't you forget that Rookies
Definitely!!
@andrewdeehan6292
Admin may think that teachers are replaceable. But their pattern of unsupportive behavior is causing new hires to leave after 1-2 years time after time again.
@@amylee8969 my admin from this middle school did get let go at the end of last year
Goddamn right. They never have and never will.
EVERY CLASSROOM SHOULD HAVE CAMERAS!!! Parents would be stunned to see their childs behavior. 😮
Absolutely! They wouldn’t be able to say “My child would never…”
@@TeacherKellyTag
I remember my middle school days. We were sometimes called the Byron Brats. Byron was the name of the school. The students were awful. However, I remember one exception who really was always nice, and you probably saw him. A guy named Peter Ostrum. You might know him as "Charlie" in Disney's movie "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory". He really was nice.
@@guysmiley515
Well, we didn't just meet, we went to the same school, so we would run into each other every now and then. He was a year older than me so we weren't in the same classes. Of course the whole school knew him.
@@guysmiley515
I never cared for the movie that much. I only watched it once. HOWEVER, I did come away with one conclusion. The real life person Peter Ostrum was NICER than the character (Charley) he portrayed. He was NEVER a Byron Brat.
@@guysmiley515
Peter Ostrum was recovered at the Cleveland Playhouse by Disney. Byron was a junior high school in Shaker Heights Ohio.
I once met a teacher from Europe who came here to teach in an exchange program. He was shocked by the students' demeanor.
@@arturovillaluz2053 wow, that’s sad
I believe that the change of family values and parenting is a direct link to these issues and many others.
Definitely!
That is 100% true I have called many parents who tell you they are your problem don't call me.
@@alanking6240 Exactly! We need the parents to partner with us and punish their kid. I actually had someone comment on this video and say "You're telling me to punish my kids at home?" Yes, i am.
@@ridingwilding760 and, all the sugar!
@@alanking6240 What nonsense and insult
Not disagreeing with anyone, but here is my 2 cents. (61 y/o white male)
In 1970, first grade of public school, most kids were respectful…too young to be racist or sexist.
1973 we moved near a private school. All white children. Smaller classes, better teachers, materials provided for everyone. All the children were offspring of doctors and lawyers mostly (rich people). We went on field trips and attended local special events. We had no issues (fights, drugs or legal problems). I had obtained an 8th grade education by grade 5.
In 1977, we moved again. This time a public school near “the projects” (6th grade).
It was a madhouse! The black students behaved like animals and about half the white students acted like scared little rabbits. There were knife fights, small time drug dealing, tardy or just awol students (literally just walk out, leave school). Some larger black males would extort money from the smaller children, strong armed robberies. I had my $100 jacket stolen. The lady teacher said, “I didn’t see nuthin”. I was sick the day the principal got stabbed by a FEMALE student.😮
After that, my parents had me switched back to the private school (20 miles away, thanks mom!)
BTW, this was in a city of 25,000
Wow, location really makes a difference.
@@TeacherKellyTag (eastern North Carolina)
Both my sisters are teachers
@@guitarcomet5 That’s great. I hope they’re having good experiences.
I taught in the South Bronx and Harlem for three years. The insults and racism against white teachers was enormous. Teachers would just quit. Walk out the door. Run for their lives. After three years I quit too.
@@map3384 Yes, I experienced this in my school too. I didn’t want to open a can of worms and talk about race because then I thought the other reasons would be overlooked. You would tell kids to stop talking and it was always because you were “racist”.
My son told me he had a horrid teacher and said, "Mom you should see him."' So one day (with permission) I walked in. Son's jaw dropped. I stayed the entire class. Nothing wrong with the teacher, but something wrong with my son's mouth. I asked the teacher if he was always like that. The teacher said it was my son's best day that year. Don't believe your kid, check it out. You may be in for a surprise. The teacher was just fine. Later that year he got caught throwing spitwads in he bathroom. They were going to put him in detention for a day, but I knew he would never make it. I talked with the counselor and as a team decided that cleaning the bathrooms after school for a week would be fitting. This meant I had to come in and babysit him because it was not the janitor's job. What is more important in life, taking off work a few hours for your kid or not. It was worth it, For me, the next year I went back into education and taught in middle school, the same middle school. My son was told I would kiss him in front of the school in the school commons if he misbehaved. He believed me and he was a good kid all year. At the end of the year I said, "You really did good this year." He said, "Mom, I knew you''d do it" and he was right. How did he turn out, five kids. Five kids that like to go our and do community service projects and a dad who does a lot of community service. His favorite is ski patrol because he can take his kids while he volunteers. Junior high kids need love, and they need parenting. When they get in trouble, they need you to drop work and put them first. Their future depends on it.
THANK YOU for being an EXCELLENT parent! This is the type of support we need 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I’m going to mention this comment on my community tab
@@TeacherKellyTag Thanks, it was work. We had some kids work to get a teacher fired. They actually liked him, were just doing it for fun. He quit and he was really a good teacher. Other teachers also quit at the same time because of the power the kids had.
@@droundyCubby Wow, for fun?! Too bad they are too young to really understand the impact of their actions. I hope they realize when they grow up.
@@TeacherKellyTag 6th grade.
You are my hero! I believe that most kids respond to old school tough love discipline.
Multiple good reasons, but reason #1 is all the reason I would need to quit teaching.
Exactly! That was definitely the #1 reason I left!
@@TeacherKellyTag Honestly, can you expect anything else from liberalism? Liberals do not believe in disciple and you see this with many of Biden's DA's.
@@TeacherKellyTagTell me if this sounds crazy.
What if, right next to the bill of rights, there was a bill of responsibility. One of those responsibilities should be parents teaching kids respect.
I know, it's NUTS!
I'm Loonie as a Canadian dollar, aren't I?
@@reddblackjack That would be amazing!
@@TeacherKellyTag I quit teaching high school in Canada because of the politicization of the curriculum and #Diversity leading to teachers getting assaulted and no one getting punished
I agree- middle school was the WORST!!!! After 17 years in education, I would not set foot back in a classroom in this country! There’s not enough money in the world to make me tolerate this kind of abuse. Really no one should have to in their professional career. It is unbelievable what teachers are expected to tolerate, from students, parents, and the administration sometimes.
There is definitely Life after the classroom! I’ve done tutoring, travel teaching, adult Ed, homebound students. Educational companies are another resource, or even positions within the district office.
@@debrakelly4505 Yes, it was awful! Glad you got out and are doing other things.
Public schools . Who needs them.
@@stevenoverwood2474 there are definitely other options out there. Homeschooling and private schools are great options.
Thank your professional educators!
I taught Middle School in Baltimore (near where they filmed “The Wire”) for two years. Watching this was almost triggering PTSD. Once I was trying to calm a kid down when he stabbed me so hard in the chest with some fancy pen that it went through my button up shirt, under shirt and skin (deep), so there I was trying to calm him down with a pen sticking strait out of my chest and blood running all the way down to my pants. He got suspended all of two days for that, so yeah, I get it.
Wow, that is terrible. I heard that after I left this school, the next year a teacher was kicked in the head, got a concussion, and the student only got a 10 day suspension
I worked as a school nurse in all areas of Baltimore city for 5 years. I remember one school where one of the staff members said "just walk like you're not afraid and they won't bother you" ..
I grew up in the DC area I dont scare easily. Never had a problem but yeah some of these schools and areas looked like a war zone
The issue is bad parenting. lack of corporal punishments.
I agree about bad parenting. Soon there will be no teachers left.
I agree; however parents can sometimes teach their children they are “better” children go to school thinking they are better than other kids & better than the teachers.
@@sonyaberry9805 Definitely, that can happen too.
you think it's the lack of corporal punishments?
@@gabro4069 I don't agree with that part.
I remember being a student in middle school. We ( not me ) were the worst kids ever. Inner city urban rough kids caused teachers to quit, destruction of property, no responsibilities, walking on the roof, jumping out of windows, throwing desks, food fights, boys going to bathroom without permission, fights everyday. Detentions suspensions no effect. I feel sorry for the nervous breakdowns of these teachers. Other teachers just continuing to teach just for the 5 kids who actually cared. All this before cellphones
Its like glorified babysitting... in a zoo. 😂 christ, i hated school and i went to REALLY GOOD schools.
This describes everything EXACTLY! This wasn’t even an inner city school but it definitely seemed like one.
"Inner city urban rough kids"
@@phoenixdavida8987 I went to school in a mostly white suburb and many of the kids weren't much better.
"... the worst kids ever. Inner city, urban rough kids..."
That's quite a verbose way of writing "black".
Not enough money in the world to have to endure that.
I know! I barely made it to the end of the year.
Yes! Everyone wants to talk about higher pay. Which sounds nice and all but that alone isn’t enough to endure everything educators have to put up with.
@@amylee8969 YES!
Middle school in general is a terrible place to be. I hated it for all 3 of my children. In fact for my youngest and only girl I took her out of public school and placed her in private because it was so terrible. I often wonder who the heck is raising these kids? My heart goes out to middle school teachers. I can’t imagine not feeling supported while shaping a persons life literally.
M glad you are in a better place now in your teaching career.
That’s so rough for your daughter but glad you got her out of that environment. Even people who didn’t hate middle school never say that it was the best time of their lives. Thanks for watching and commenting.
In my experience, some of these private schools aren't much better than the public schools so be vigilant.
Adolescents, 11-15 are physical and technological mature but many are emotional and spiritual infants.
@@HENSLEYMB Definitely!
I absolutely lost my job in one district because four female students disliked me and found me creepy (as a male teacher). They made all sorts of wild accusations, despite the entire faculty knowing I'm gay, and coerced a boy to act as if I said something inappropriate to him, which later led to the superintendent informing me that I either could quit voluntarily or have it be public record that I was not going to be recontracted.
How awful! They really just don’t know the extent of the damage they did. Lying about something like that can ruin someone’s life. I hope you were able to move on and find work in a better place.
We should have cameras in classroom if there is an issue
@@thearmy88ify absolutely! Them parents can’t argue with you about what their kid did
@@thearmy88ify more surveillance is not the answer.
My last year of teaching a boy tried to claim i hit him when my nail scrarped his arm in passing as i pushed a workbook across the table. They even reviewed video footage with admin & parents without my knowledge but they had nothing. The kid just wanted to bring me down. I didn't attend that graduation because I had COVID bt Iknow God was protecting me. I will never teach junior high again. I will quit before that ever becomes my life again. I lost years of my life to stress anxiety depression isolation and fear trying to teach ELA to horrifyingly cruel and disrespectful anti-American immigrant offspring.
❤so happy you’re happy! Yes reason #1 is all I needed. The lies are unbelievable! This is a different kind of lack of motivation. It’s disruptive laziness!
Absolutely the main reason! Thanks for watching
Glad you are in a better place that you enjoy! Middle school is tough! Preschool is fun and you can have a great time with the kids. Thank you for sharing!
@@sizzleserveyum exactly! I love doing preschool. Thanks for watching
2nd, 3rd, and 4th grade is awesome and my preferences. All 3 grades are in the middle. Old enough to be independent and young enough to be innocent (for the most part anyways).
All of this siding with the kids and giving kids more power is really hurting the kids in the long run. One of the first thing i learned when i got out of high school was that nobody was gonna put up with my sh!t. Once the kids gets out of the pampered school life, life will hit them hardcore
Exactly! It will hit them hard!
This is exactly why I will be continuing my teaching career overseas.
The culture is better, and teachers are viewed in a much better light.
I don’t blame you at all. I would go overseas if I could. Where are you going?
@@TeacherKellyTag looks like Asia for now.
@@dcoldestjenkins5868 Great, good luck!
Respect is what these kids owe their teachers!
@@dcoldestjenkins5868From what I have been told from friends who taught overseas, teachers in Asia are both highly respected and well compensated. Good luck to you!
I taught middle school for twenty three years. You are absolutely correct on all counts. Administrative cowardice and indifference is a huge factor in the burnout. Thuggish, gang involved 12 year olds and their neck tattoo'd step parents. No genuine leverage over disciplinary issues no matter how large or small. Being treated like chattel slaves by ignorant, poisonous parents. But hey, the pay stinks, too!
Sorry you had to go through the same misery as me.
Neck tattooed step parents…too real 😂
@@muvaqjira Oh wow, haven’t experienced that.
@@TeacherKellyTag I’m a coach for 2nd graders, and it’s terrifying because I remember being fearful of adults at that age. These children have no discipline, no respect, no fear. And when you give them a consequence, somehow you’re the bad guy.
So true.
If students used that power for positivity they can change the world in a positive way
Absolutely!!
That's a useless statement
Means nothing.
Not Reality.
My dad was a middle school teacher and not long after retiring he confided in me that he wished he'd chosen another career.
Wow, crazy that he kept his feelings hidden until retirement.
@@TeacherKellyTag It made me sad to hear him say that.
I say the same thing and im a factory worker.
@@patrickt6642 Regrets in law fe are unavoidable. (I'm a wine vendor and will probably die poor, but at least I'm mostly content in life.)
So true. Glad you are content!
I’m so glad you are out of that bad situation and into something you enjoy!
Thank you! ❤️😊
I am Air Force Retired (32 years) I have a Masters in Curriculum and instruction. I will only Sub. You are 100% right. I had a group of students in a High School that tried to get me fired. I got blocked from that school. Now, I only take role, tell them to go to google classroom, and avoid all non academic conversation. I look at it as extra cash and have learned not to invest myself. Teachers will lose any battle against a student, parent, and/or admin.
That is so sad that so many of us are having these experiences.
@@TeacherKellyTag I tried K-5 a few times, not for me. The district I am at (Alvord, Riverside Ca) middle schools have zero cell phone policy and it works! The high schools are totale different. Cell phones to them is like a drug. They feel it is their right to have one and use it anytime they want. If a sub dares to tell them to put it away, all hell breaks out. I am subbing at a High School today, I have gone from "pick your battles" to "Don't even bother"
My state just banned cell phones in the classroom. I’ll have to talk to some secondary teachers but my own son hates it lol
My mom has been a teacher since I was 8 years old. I'm 24 now. She says that kids now are the worst behaved they've ever been. She only has three years until she retires so she's sticking it out but she won't teach middle school anymore. She teaches kindergarten now and she can barely handle them.
Your mom has been at it for a long time so she would know! Unfortunately, something drastic is going to happen before things change.
I teach Pre-K. 4 yr olds. We know 4 yr olds have their own 4 yr old set of rules for life. However, I have seen violent behaviors increase over the last couple years. Violent and malicious. : (
@@rebeccalowe-hodges8162 I switched to 4 year old. Yikes, I hope not.
@@TeacherKellyTag my best wishes are with you : ) all are different. My class is a very mixed group , so the dynamics are mucho loco lol
@@rebeccalowe-hodges8162 I’m doing special ed preschool. So far my class has been pretty good this year.
When I got out of the Regular Army, I was considering entering the education field. The BEd program I was considering required a reference from a practicing teacher. I returned to my old high school and spoke with one of my favourite teachers, he was one who sincerely cared about the kids and was one of the only ones who was still in his classroom after hours for tutorials or simple guidance and advice. He told me quite frankly not to do it. It had only been 8 years since I graduated, but he said that the education field had changed radically during that time. Teaching children HOW to think had been replaced with WHAT to think (his words exactly). Standards were thrown out the window, replaced with “no failures” which means that the minimum effort was now zero effort. In your day, when we said “do it, or ELSE”, you didn’t ask what “or else” was, you knew it wasn’t good so you would behave. Today, the kids know there is no “or else” and behave as if there is absolutely no consequences to their actions. He even told me that he had to physically take a knife from a student in his classroom as he was about to stab another student during class. He was a big man and easily overpowered the student until the police could be called. In a nutshell, he said that you spend less time teaching than you do being like a lion tamer, trying to control unruly undisciplined kids. This was back in the late 1980s by the way.
Needless to say, I took his advice and did not take that BEd program or any other for that matter. Looks like he was right, I would not have enjoyed the journey. I would have been frustrated by all the woke crap that had to be taught, instead of the subject matter. The world isn’t filled with unicorns and rainbows, and my experiences in the Army taught me that you have to be prepared for that mean, cruel world, or get eaten alive. These kids are being set up for a real rude awakening. I probably would have been that “mean teacher” that the kids would try to get fired, not because I hit them or anything but because I tried to prepare them for life. I think I made a wise move.
Wow, what a story. Surprised even back then he was discouraging you. You definitely dodged a bullet.
This is an excellent video with excellent information. It's understandable why many teachers end up quitting teaching middle school. Many teachers end up quitting teaching middle school due to disrespectful students, difficult parents, lots of grading, often having to cover other classes during planning periods, etc. I wish you the best at your preschool teacher job.
Yes, exactly! Thank you and thanks for watching and commenting
I worked for a public school for 5 years. I wasn't even a teacher, I was in IT, but I witnessed everyday what teachers had to deal with. As far as IT went, I had to deal with kids deliberately breaking computers and computer equipment, just for the fun of it. There was lots of talk about consequences, but never any follow-through. When I was a kid, the teachers and school officials were always considered to be in the right (even when they weren't). Today, it's the exact opposite.
The fact that they were considered in the right even when they weren't is part of what brought us to where we are today.
@@redstickham6394 To the point that they're *never* considered right? Everyone is wrong sometimes. In the past, we started with an assumed respect for authority. That's the part that is missing entirely now, and we can easily see the results.
@@kadster65 I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it contributed to the problem. In the past the kid was always wrong and that wasn't good. Now the schools are always wrong and that isn't good either.
I totally agree! I saw the kids breaking equipment too and bragging that there were no consequences. They didn't even have to pay for replacements until they broke three.
@@redstickham6394 I agree with this. I think in the past the teachers were believed even when they shouldn't have been. As the kids grew into adults they only believed their kids. The pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.
I’m a high school student, I always watch videos like these that way I empathize with the teachers more and I’m a good student
Thanks for trying to make things better for the teachers.
Ugh, what a nightmare Kelly. I have had many many bad experiences teaching in the public schools too, particularly when I taught 5th and 6th grade for my practicum. Luckily most of my classroom experience was Gr 1 - Gr 3 which I liked. I don't know how you did it and came out mostly unscathed! Great video.
I don’t know about unscathed. I barely got through to the end of the year. Thanks for watching and commenting.
As a boy i was very naive . . . German born background. And i took my parent's word about school as gospel. I believed in my USA schooling IMPLICITLY. I took it all to the point of getting a bachelor's degree majoring in physics. And then i was accepted into the master's program as a teaching assistant. But that's when i had a great awakening. Some would call it a nervous breakdown. Long story short . . . at 75 i believe all teaching done by strangers (professional teachers or otherwise) is counterproductive. It produces nothing more than sausage links from a meat factory all of whom think alike. It boggles the mind why people would have children and then hand their training over to complete strangers. MADNESS is the only word i can come up with.
I agree with some of what you said. I think homeschooling is a great option if you can do it but not everyone can. Public school can depend where you live. My son went to a public school only 5 minutes from this one and it was MUCH better. Private school can be a great option for those that can afford it.
As a dad, I would sit with both of my children while they worked on homework or projects. I would always encourage them that we will do this we’ll get it done. To me, it’s my job. It’s what I signed on for. Where did I learn it? From my dad.
@@philovance1940 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@philovance1940 That seems very nice. But i'm also looking at results. For instance how did all that TLC turn out ?? Where are the kids now ?? What professions or jobs do they have ? Do they have a happy family life now that they're grown up ??? Don't answer. I'm just saying results matter. Nice process but what is the outcome . . . finally ?
"Lord of the Flies" version 2024.
Exactly!
95% of all disruptive behaviour in my classes were caused by kids who all had two things in common, they were black and came from a home with no father in the picture.
I agree about no father in the picture no matter what the race.
I teach in a white midwestern area and none of that is a problem, and we still deal with the same issues.
@@IPlayWithFire135 thanks for your perspective
When you allow animals to reproduce - you end up in a world full of animals.
@@IPlayWithFire135No matter the area or demographics, broken homes have been the norm since the early 80's.
Need teacher cams in schools so behavior is documented
I’m all for it!
Holy cow. Those kids who fake fired a teacher should be heavily punished and parents fined. That’s crazy.
@@dquan731 absolutely!
In 30 years of teaching, I had ONE Father say, " if my Son is acting up in your class, He will not play football or basketball or any other sports UNTIL he improves……. Bad grades or bad behavior….either one is unacceptable……I was stunned. The man came from work (dirty clothes, looked worn out) but insisted his Son be respectful to all adults…… our world would be much different if this was the norm…. SO HAPPY I’M RETIRED
Wow, that would be refreshing to have that parent. Unfortunately, the rest aren’t like that as you said.
So far I’ve home schooled up until high school. I’ve walked in to my kids school with dirty cloths. I farm, it’s not all clean and easy.
The secretary looked at me like I was dirt. Then one day, I walked in with my airline pilot uniform on to talk with students about aviation. She was speechless. A few weeks later, I walked in with my Marine Corps Officers Dress Blues. Big screaming Eagles sparkling under the lights. I talked to kids about the opportunities in the military, having been in the Reserves for 26 yrs.
I’m equally proud of each. Because one’s look reflects hard, physical, dirty work, is no less dignified than an airline Captain, or a Military Aviators uniforms.
@@LtColDaddy71 That sounds amazing. Thank you for your service.
Wonderful video. Completely accurate. Teachers, especially middle schoolers, are grossly underpaid and under appreciated. Good for you for getting out and finding a better position! 💪👏
Thank you 😊❤️
Hi Kelly, thanks for your honest video. I know teachers who have had very similar experiences. I'm glad you're now out of that situation and having fun at Pre-School ❤
Thanks 😊 ❤️
Kelly, your video is the first honest one I've viewed concerning the problems teachers face and why they retire. Student behavior, parents, and lack of administrative support are the real reasons teachers quit the profession. When I was blamed for students not passing the SOLs, I decided after 32 years of teaching that my time was at an end. The students had taken the SOLs multiple times before I was assigned as their teacher. Holding me solely responsible for their lack of success (even though, on average, the entire class had improved over previous attempts) seemed most unfair. So, I packed up my things and collected my full retirement. Being retired is a beautiful experience!!!
So terrible but glad you're out now and enjoying retirement. You must be in VA since you mentioned the SOLs.
@@TeacherKellyTag Yes, the Tidewater Area. Though I've been retired for 9 years, when I seriously think about what I endured for 32 years so I could provide for my family, I share a few tears. Today, I encourage those considering teaching to try the college/university level. I enjoyed teaching as an Adjunct at the Community College and University levels. (They are going in the wrong direction too. But they are not quite all there yet.)
Please continue your work. Thank you.
I’m trying out preschool. I like it so much better
This is my 30th year of teaching 8th grade. I love it. Most of the students are great.
I’m so glad it’s going well for you! We need teachers especially in middle school. Are you in the USA? What state or geographic area do you live in? Just curious because that can make a difference. My son’s school was only 5 minutes down the road from this one and was VASTLY different. It didn’t have all the problems this one had. I hope you have a great school year.
@@TeacherKellyTag I’m in Southern California.
Consider yourself VERY lucky.
I was extremely well trained. My first certification was in Special Education in the area of Learning and Behavioral Disabilities. I was also certified in Nursery to grade 6 General Elementary Education.
My Master’s Degree was in the area of
Learning and Behavioral Disorders.
I worked in the Public Schools working in Self Contained Classes for 30 years. 12 years in Elementary education and 18 years in the Middle School.
It was difficult at times but most of the time I enjoyed it.
I experienced some of the issues you discussed.
I also was a case manager for 2 years in the Pre-school setting working with Special Education students.
I basically loved teaching,however I am glad those days are behind me. I truly understand the stress teachers are working with on a daily basis.
@@elviscobb5922 We sound very similar since I'm doing special needs preschool now. Enjoy retirement.
As a parent of a 15 and 13 yo I am mortified for you! So glad I am an old school parent and my kids know how to respect people in charge. I got a lot of flack from peers and parents even, suggesting I was too strict, but I am so glad it seems to be paying off so far and when the teacher calls, you had better believe changes are made, punishments are had and apologies are delivered.
Thanks for being a great parent
I've been watching a lot of, "teachers quitting" videos lately. Must be a message there...
Exactly! In a few years we won't have any teachers left and people will be forced to listen.
Thank you so much . I thought I was going crazy for expressing the same issues. The students and parents are psychotic. I am recovering from the trauma of teaching 26 years MS and HS. You can't be an authority and a friend. The direction of teaching in the High school was becoming our of control. The job is ridiculously unsustainable. Those who continue to do it, amaze me with their resilience.
I’m happy this video was helpful and validating. So glad you got out. I’m also amazed by those who stay. Thanks so much for watching and commenting.
The Red Guard in China started with a group of student girls, who beat a principal to death.
Wow, that doesn’t surprise me
Sadly this is true of all levels, from pre-K to senior year. I'm in my 27th year of high school and am extremely lucky to have an admin and school board that supports the teachers, but am aware this can change at any moment. That being said, you could double my salary and I wouldn't cross the parking lot to teach middle school. Thank you for posting a video that every parent with a kid in school needs to see.
Thank you. Someone had to say it. I totally agree that the right admin makes all the difference.
Thank you for all you do with the kids of our great nation.
Thanks for saying that 😊❤️
😮I still teach 20 years plus and you are RIGHT. Thank you 🙏
So glad to bring awareness.
I've taught middle and high school. Its tough but sometimes teacher take on on too much. If the parents and admin don't want the kids in detention then don't' send them to detention. Don't talk to a parent for 45 minutes. After ten I hang up. Have the meeting in the morning before school starts. That creates a hard deadline. If a kid attacks you call the police not the admin.
What do you do instead of detention? I like these boundaries. I need to learn to have more of them. I've quit teaching middle school but all teachers need these boundaries. Thanks for your comment.
@@TeacherKellyTag Detention does not work. Forget it.
Also, I am not giving up lunch to watch the kid. That's too much.
Some kids just don't want to learn. That's ok with me as long as he is quiet
If the kid is disrupting class then send him out and lock the door so he can't come back for that day.
If the principle insists then OK let him in but assume the principal does not care about that class or the students in it. Have a seat and take that period off.
Then start over the next day like nothing happened.
Don't let the kid see you upset.
You are only human. You can't fix this kid. Don't take it personally. He does not hater you, he hates his life.
This only works if you have tenure. If you don't then buckle up and try to keep off the principal's radar. Never send anyone to the office. Never complain. Do your time as a rookie teacher and then look for a better job in a better school.
Don't take work home with you.
@@glennwatson3313 great advice 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Support your decision! Stay strong!
Thank you
Proud of you! I wish my ex-wife would quit teaching to improve her quality of life. But she keeps on…
Thank you. That is so nice that you support her quitting. Many husbands want their wife to stay for the health insurance and bills.
Thank you!! You said it all and I’m looking to pivot after just 8 weeks!
Oh boy! Hope you find something.
I only taught middle school for three years and I was done. I subbed for two years before that. As an art teacher, part-time, I had 360 students on rotation. Many kids were great but every classroom had at least one that would ruin the atmosphere. Special ed students were an extra challenge. As long as they could communicate reasonably well and go to the bathroom by themselves, they were in my class without a para to assist. In one class I had three of them. They took all my time and I couldn't hardly give the other 27 students the attention they deserved. And ugh, the meetings and "staff development" that took up prep time, and the endless grading. Their art grades on their report card were only going to show O for outstanding, S for satisfactory or N for needs improvement, and of course the kids new that. It was not motivating for most of them. Yet I was supposed to spend hours doing "data entry" giving every single project a score (that's not what I went to art school for) to have the computer figure out the grades for me when it would have taken me two minutes to scan each class list and identify the few that should get O or N. It was ridiculous.
That sounds terrible. So many good teachers leave before year 5. So sorry you went through this
@julieelizabeth4856
When I was a sub, I mostly went to elementary schools b/c that’s my area/preference of being certified. I’ve only been to middle schools a few times. During the few times I’ve been to a middle school, I hated it. It’s so draining that I just use to let them to work independently. Luckily, teachers are good about giving the kids assigned independent work while they’re out.
I'm so sorry to hear about your disillusionment from teaching. I'm sure it was a passion and hard to come to terms with the fact.
I personally had issues with bad teachers.
Sorry you had a hard time too
I’m retired from the Army and considered the Troops to Teachers Program. “Jim you don’t want to be a teacher.” So I didn’t do it.
You dodged a bullet.
I keep seeing these videos pop up. I believe we will continue to see this unless things change. I quit in June 2024. It has been a challenge finding something new, but I don’t regret my decision. No amount of money is worth being abused.
So glad you got out. You’re right, no amount of money is. When there are no teachers left they’ll have to listen. I have a playlist “Alternative Careers for Teachers” if you want to check it out.
I teach middle school and high school. Only one period in the Middle School. Second year teaching and I don’t want to teach Middle School anymore. I don’t feel like a teacher but as a their mom. Constantly correcting behaviors. The disrespect, the disruption is horrible. They just don’t care and I can’t handle a 3rd year with them. Not even 45 min. Thanks for your video. #1 is the reason why I don’t want to teach Middle School kids anymore.
Exactly! Sorry for what you’re going through as I know it’s hard. Eventually there will be no middle school teachers left. Thanks for watching
There is a contrived effort in this country to breed contempt for discipline and education. Teachers are fighting a loosing battle. I expect things to get worse as this becomes the norm. Thank you for your service.
Yes, I expect it to get worse too. Either the bottom will fall out and/or vouchers and other forms of education will become more popular.
My wife was a teacher at a private HS and she quit teaching because of bratty, spoiled kids, parents who believed their kids could do no wrong and an administration who was more concerned about tuition and not backing its teachers. She hasn’t taught for about 10 years and is much happier for it.
Glad she got out!
Gen X here. My teachers were my role models across grades 1-12. I look back with great memories on being in public school during the mid-late 70s and early 80s. I wish I had more vocally expressed my thankfulness afterward for the foundation they laid for me to succeed in life. I appreciate that you wanted to do right by the kids and help them achieve their dreams. Sad that parents, the kids, and administration had opposite ideas.
Those sound like wonderful days.
It's a shame that these stories are not decreasing. Admin has no solutions, and parents are facing few consequences. That's why I'm happy to bounce into a school, do an awesome science assembly and vanish! Kids were entertained, teachers got a break, and admin looked good for hiring me. I still sub upper elementary, but i don't have to stay for too long. Besides, being a 6'1", 225 lbs man is a privilege in a 3 - 8 grade school. Keep up the good work.
@@Nitro_Joe Yes, that’s definitely an advantage in the upper grades. Sounds like you have a really great gig
The administration are nothing more than Tax dollar sponges. USELESS!
Great way to describe it.
Wow! Thank you for sharing your experience. Very eye opening.
Thanks for watching.
There is lots of adult bullying in public schools especially at the hands of administrators. Teaching has become a nightmare.
So true!
@ The monsters are administrators that could never make it in private business. Administrators can use evaluation tool as a weapon. I found many people I worked with in public schools had mental health problems and they abused students and staff.
Parents!!! Watch closely what really goes on in public schools. Pure evil!😈
Save your own children if you are able.
An inconvenient topic but a necessary one to bring up!
My reasons for quitting teaching includes all 4 for yours, and 1 more: I realise that teaching is like being paid to control others, and I don't even like many authority figures in my life that much! So it's rather complex and dark. 😅
New sub!
Are you saying you don’t want to be an authority figure to others or that you can’t stand the way admin tries to control you, or both? Thanks for the sub! Glad to have you here.
@@TeacherKellyTag it's more like I never liked the way authority figures in my early life -- parents! -- controlled me, whether by threats, punishments, or mansplaining. And yet I became a teacher, who has to do a fair amount of instrumental control and bullshitting etc. So, when I realised this similarity -- one of the outcomes on ongoing therapy and self-therapy, at that moment, I couldn't teach anymore. I just couldn't. Not sure if I m clear.
@@schoolneverteach I get that. Not sure how old you are but boomer parents definitely had a different way of doing things. The next generation rebelled against that.
I had a horrible time with bullying and fitting in as a student in public school, especially middle school. My three older kids went through the public school system because that was the only option at the time, and luckily they survived and never had behavioral issues. I would have had a conniption if they ever perpetrated any of the atrocities mentioned in this video! Now, virtual public school is such a blessing to me and my youngest who started it in kindergarten and is now in third grade. Left all the garbage behind.
Well glad you care about your children’s behavior but unfortunately not all parents do. I had the same problems as you when I was in middle school. Teaching middle school felt like being a parent all over again. Glad your youngest one found a great virtual school. I’ve thought about teaching virtually.
Very informative, and much respect to you for being (or having been) a teacher. I went to college with the intention of becoming a secondary school history teacher, and while I had knowledge of the subject, I didn't possess very much in the way of executive skills (i.e. organization, time management, prioritizing), and thus did not obtain a teaching certification. Looking at the current educational climate, though, I'm kind of glad it didn't pan out for me, as I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be able to navigate the minefield of standards, politics, students, parents and administrators that today's teachers must deal with on a daily basis.
You definitely dodged a bullet!
@@TeacherKellyTag Indeed. I've kind of ended up in the healthcare revenue cycle field (i.e. handling medical records/patient insurance claims/etc.), and while my job gets repetitive at times, it's not overly stressful. I also remember distinctly when I visited a school as part of my education curriculum and the school librarian flatly told me that if I became a teacher (and I quote), "You'll work your @$$ off at two jobs, and in the end, it's not going to amount to $^*%."
@@Stussmeister So unfortunate but great advice
@@TeacherKellyTag Indeed. I also remember watching another TH-cam video where it explained that one of the numerous failings with the modern education system is that it's still geared towards preparing students for the industrial workforce when in fact many of them will not end up in that field.
I left the Canadian public school system not long after I joined it. I saw the writing on the wall. Now I teach at a university (have been here 20 years). I make what I would have made if I had stayed 20 years in public school, (and gotten a masters degree) with 1/3 the teaching load, no report cards, no marking at home, and no dealing with parents and almost zero behavior issues. Same amount of time off, but with a budget, and my own office. I would have really regretted staying there.
Glad you got out
Everything you said is 100% true. I too was a middle school English teacher, and yes, my planning period was always used in meetings.
@@diannkelley3481 it sucks, doesn’t it?!
@@TeacherKellyTag yes, so I tried high school, elementary and even private school. No more! I heard one of my students was going to beat me up. Really? Now I score online tests from home. This is much safer!
@@diannkelley3481 Oh wow! That would make me want to quit too. Glad you found something better.
I have a quiet 6th grader with hearing loss who was bullied by a teacher. We are out of school now. I understand teachers stress. But I don't understand when teachers bully undeserving kids.
That is terrible. Most teachers are kind, loving people but there are bad apples in every profession. If you go under my “live” tab check out the video about “What Motivates Teens to Learn”. The author interviewed teens around the country and there are some stories in her book about teacher bullying. It’s so unfortunate.
Come on, teachers aren't going to "bully" a kid, let alone a quiet kid.
@@BK-gh9us Some teachers can be real pricks to some students.
Yeah!
They need to bully the ones who deserve it!
I had an awful teacher for webpage design that made the elective class that was supposed to be fun a living nightmare. I even had other teachers that had this teacher subtly agree that this teacher was horrible. For every 80 good ones out there there is probably one bad one. She screamed in my face one day because there was an important project in another class I had to do so I couldn't go on a field trip for her elective class.
Thank your educational experts! There are no consequences in the schools or home for so many kids.
So true, unfortunately
@jimmyjackson2361
If districts don’t instill consequences for students being disruptive, they have nobody to blame for students low academic performance except themselves. Teachers cannot teach in a room full of unruly kids. And behavior is contagious. It only takes 1 or 2 “bad apples” to ruin the entire environment of the classroom.
@@amylee8969 This! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I’m a teacher. Years ago my son got an after school detention with 3-4 other boys for stupid behaviour in class. There was no teacher to monitor their detention. They decided to skip out of the detention. My son arrives home and 5 minutes later I get a call from the principal about what happened . I told my son to go back to school and serve out his detention. He did. I asked who else came back to serve out the detention. He said none.
@@philovance1940 you’re a great dad. BTW why was no one watching them?
Yeah, good question. I have a suspicion that someone was supposed to be watching them but that teacher or maybe administrator decided to get some other stuff done at the same time. Every teacher knows this is a no- no with students at that age. But we all know it happens all the time.
So wrong!
Thank you for your service!
Thanks for saying that.
Middle school is tough! It is not for everyone for sure. I am all for teaching the littles.
Yes! I have always said the hardest part of teaching are the parents.
I’ve realized that’s me too
@@TeacherKasie Yes, the parents!
100% true, exactly why I left teaching too! Society here is going to hell in a handbasket. Like... it's over dude. Even kids in public that I run into at random and don't know at all are rude. As teachers, our job is to teach, not fix your kid that you messed up, or deal with all this abuse. There is no respect for anyone these days at work, especially in the helping professions like teaching. Don't do it, just don't go there. It's not what it used to be so don't look through the rose colored glasses like I did.
Exactly! These kids don’t act any differently when they go into society. They’re in for a rude awakening because most people will not be as patient as teachers.
These kids are being abandoned by their parents when they are 3 or younger. Everyone has to work long hours just to survive and they are no longer parenting their kids. Our society decided divorce was okay, kids don't need a parent at home and the schools can take care of all our problems. Every behavioral issue I come across gets excused by ADHD, bipolar, autism, special needs, childhood trauma, etc. Why are our kids so fu*(d up? Our "society" is fu*(ed up. Curriculum is imbecilic and smart kids are dropping out from sheer boredom and the desire to escape their abusive classmates.
So true!
Well said.
Everything you stated here I completely believe and agree with you. Full disclosure, I do not have children, but I have a good eyes and ears. Oh how things have changed since I attended school a long time ago. If I ever mouthed-off to a teacher, even one time, I would not be here today. I thank my parents for a good upbringing, and yes I survived getting a few well deserved “cracks” from mom.
@@chatrkat exactly!
Things are sadly way different now, back in my Day when I was in trouble in school I was in trouble at home.. You can't change thing's in society and expect thing's to stay the same.. You can make shitty changes and expect Good outcomes
We need to go back to that!
Certainly everything you said occurs in our public schools, but something that I noticed is that not all public schools are created equally, meaning even in our city, a middle school in a bad neighborhood had a different class of parents and students than a middle school in a much better part of town. Our city also created magnet schools, that even though they were public, had competition by both students and teachers to get into them and if you did not follow the rules you were promptly removed and sent to your neighborhood school. The teaching environment is completely different when both students and teachers desire to be there. Finally we have gifted classes and to a lesser extent advanced classes within your average middle schools where the students and teachers had a different outlook from the rest of the school they were planted in. Standard classes is where most of the misbehavior is found. My impression is that public schools are like a variety of different companies where you have some bad ones that people don't want to be at, and good ones that everyone tries to be at.
Totally agree with everything you said. My son's school was only 5 minutes away and he kept telling me that I would have a different experience at his school. Magnet schools sound wonderful. I'd love to be part of that.
Great work Kelly!!! Great topic.
Thank you
I left middle school for all of these reasons!!! 7th grade was literally the beginning of bad behavior in students. I don’t miss working middle school at all! I’m currently in the elementary level and I love it!
I don’t blame you. I’m enjoying preschool now
detention should consist of consist of picking up trash on the school grounds, cleaning bathrooms, etc. Just putting them in a room doesn’t do the trick
Totally agree!
Someone who almost got into an education career but went to law enforcement, some things i noticed. A quick background, i started as a Substitute Teacher in 2007, did student teaching in 2009, graduated and at the time in the great recession, no one wanted to hire people with masters (cheaper to hire people with just teaching licenses) (get an education you ll make alot of money....thats another discussion) well, Im thankful I went LEO, thats got its own issues, but I noticed going from one career to another, the kids when they grew up, what they got away with in middle school, that doesnt fly in the real world, and they become frequent fliers at the jail. Being a booking deputy, I've seen quite a few of my former students!
I kept saying this as I saw all the kids getting away with things. They are in for a rude awakening when they get in trouble with the law (their parents too). I can see how a teacher and law enforcement can be similar careers.
My middle-aged mother works as a childcare/teacher in a private Spanish immersion daycare preschool and elementary school. Based on what she has explained, there have been two instances (likely more) of two different children that have shown misbehaving, violent, and disruptive actions and behaviors during the average school day. I don’t remember so much from this first instance, but one child in the past did not understand to keep their hands to themselves and was constantly hitting other kids, outside on the playground and inside the school. The child was eventually written up and notified to parents of such physical bad behavior. The other child, this one being much more recent, did not care or was so tuned out in not listening and following the instructions and orders of the teachers that he thought he could show up the classroom or to lunch or to recess whenever he wanted to. My mother and the other teachers kept telling the kid that he needs to follow the school day schedule and asking him why he acts this way. Apparently at home, his parents essentially do everything for him and he doesn’t learn/become educated on showing respect and listening to authority. This child had gotten fed up with how structured everything throughout the school day was that he literally made VERBAL AND VISUAL THREATS (“you’re gonna pay for this” and making a hardened fist pointed at the teacher) to another teacher and my mother. The final straw was when this child started to violently and physically disrupt a classroom by breaking, hitting, and throwing things and objects. My mother did not intervene at all and immediately wrote this kid up to inform the parents on this insane behavior. Both of these children being at least the age of five and behaving like this, AT AGE FIVE. The parents of these said children seem like they were more frustrated and disappointed that their child was not given a chance to reform and do better in behaving in school, but clearly all of this behavior has had to have stemmed from the parent household to some extent. Even so, it seemed like the parents of the child that made those visual and verbal threats didn’t really take into consideration/account of how shocking that behavior really was (since other kids in the school were already showing fear of interacting with this said child). Both children were never taken back to this school ever since and have likely took their children to another educational institution for their concerning behaviors to continue.
It’s unbelievable how incompetent and dumbfounded these kinds of “parents” of this day and age truly are when having to raise their children. I will never understand why they decided to have children in the first place when they don’t really do their dang job as parent and send their child away to daycare/school just to get them off their backs.
That is a crazy situation especially the parents reaction. You're right, some people just shouldn't have children.
A,HUGE problem,is the dissolution of,the family unit. divorce, parents falling prey to drug,and alcohol abuse, parents incarcerated, parents abandoning their families etc etc ---schools are,being asked to provide discipline that they cannot do because it is not their role. The family unit is vital to society's success because that is where values like,respect are learned. If life has to teach values then the lessons will be far more consequential than if the family unit taught these values. Students missing the point of school and trying to get teachers fired will eventually and unfortunately run into life's difficulties that were a consequence of their behavior.
Absolutely!
This is a problem of late capitalism that the system turns on the institutions which sustain it. Public school is now considered free day care.
I don’t think we can blame capitalism but I do agree about free daycare
I sure understand what you're saying. I teach college, only because I don't have the robust temperament to tolerate exactly the kind of behavior described in this video (I admire anyone who has what it takes to teach K-12). The best I can tell you is that if this is the way they're being raised, to be entitled brats who won't take any responsibility, they're going to have a very long, surprising, and unhappy life after the finish high school.
Exactly! Our world is doomed.
I have no idea why someone would want to go into teaching. I barely like my own kids. God bless our good teachers!!
😂🤣 Thanks
Agreed totally, although I have taught and retired from public middle school I was raised in a parochial system I had to take home a note from my 7th grade nun. It was sealed. I handed it to my father, who looked at the envelope, did not open it, and asked what I had done to the nun. That would never happen in public schools. I once had a class of 37 middle schoolers and only 26 desks. One of those students was sleeping on the floor, I went over to her thinking to awaken her, but another student whispered "Mr R please let her sleep. She had a really bad time at home last night." The students in our tiny school in deep rural GA were respectful for the most part, but their lives interfered with their education, sorry to say. I had to come out of retirement to fill in for an 8th grade class in a very large school near Atlanta. Totally different. The students were basically mean to anyone around them. Hard to control, and learning very, very little. The principal wanted me to come back the next year, but I told her that I could not. I would never, ever return to a school like that. That made me more fond of my old tiny school, where everyone learned.
Totally agree that it can depend on the school
Seventh grade was one of the worst years of my life, even compared to some of the things I've done during the ensuing 50 years.
So sorry to hear this. It must have been bad if you’re still thinking about it. Glad those years are behind you.
@@TeacherKellyTag It was an awful period, but I got through it well in the end. A formative experience, it's shaped much of what I have since become.
I have a talent for remembering a lot of details of my life, so it's not that this time was so horrible that it's stuck in my mind, I remember most details of my life in this way.
Good things too. Going off to college when I was 18 was one of my greatest experiences. Since then I have spent much of my life teaching on college campuses, and every fall I get to re-live that time of over 40 years ago. Having just begun a new semester I am doing that right now and it is fantastic.
@@gmansard641 that’s great. Good to hear all of this.
I hear you. I still think back to those awful days and wonder how in God’s name I survived. I guess that’s the answer, by the grace of God!
I've been to Hell once.
Thanks for your years of service, Ms. Tag.
I'm a middle school substitute. I can't imagine how you guys do that 5 days a week. I go home after one day never wanting to come back.
Thanks for saying that. I used to sub and that’s what I liked about it too.
She is spot on with her assessment. It's time to bring back discipline and corporal punishment. The NEA is always whining about pay, but I think what is really necessary is supporting the teachers in the classroom is really what they want. This does not require any more money for more people are paying people more for what they currently do. (Notice she never really complained about the pay in this video.) Pay can make up only so much to keep you in your job.
If a kid misbehaves, I have a list of some jobs that they could as punishment that would make them appreciate not disturbing the class. They would beg to get back in class. If the kid simply leaves class then I would wave good by to them without a second thought. Enough of the nonsense in thinking the kids are adults and maybe parents too. THEY ARE NOT! People need to wake up to reality in this country.
Agreed with almost everything you said except for the corporal punishment. Teacher pay is VERY different depending on the county or state that you live in. I’m happy with the teacher pay where I live.
@@TeacherKellyTag Things have changed for the worse since I went to school. My parents always backed the teachers first. In fact, they had a rule that whatever punishment was mettled out at school it would be twice as bad when I got home.
I tutor kids now and they lack discipline in what they say and do. Sometimes you have to cut your losses with the administrators and parents who act as if the kids are adults. I grew up in a Catholic School and let me tell you the Nuns and Brothers did not put up with any non-sense. Corporal punishment did help too.
I remember an electronics shop class where the teacher gave us a choice of either 2 swats with a paddle or a 1/2 hour detention after school. You know there wasn't one time that the student took the 1/2 hour detention. Everyone accepted the 2 swats. Years later it was the parents that stopped it - not the students!
@@craigmatthews4517 I feel like the way things were done in the past wasn’t perfect. There were probably times kids should have been listened to more. The pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Kids have no discipline and are running things. The parents never believe the teachers.
@@TeacherKellyTag I feel like today's ways are not perfect. If one were to judge based on results then the old ways worked far better than today's ways. Not even close.
"Perfect is the enemy of good". -- François-Marie Arouet (Voltaire)
@@craigmatthews4517 Yes, that’s true
no consequences for bad behavior has been a problem for quite a while.
Unfortunately!
At the middle school I work at the principal holds none of the students accountable for all of their bad actions. There is no point in writing referrals or administer disciplinary action because nothing gets done.
@@armandodelrio6732 that’s exactly how it was at my school. I hope you can get out or move schools soon
@@TeacherKellyTagI am just there part time. Completing my bachelor degree now. Still need my teaching credential.
@@armandodelrio6732 Just know that each school and district can be different. You can also try a different age or type of teaching job like I did. Best of luck to you.
@@TeacherKellyTagabsolutely. I’m actually aiming for high school until I get my masters and can teach college.
I am not a teacher but I have friends who are. Several also quit middle school, or left the public school system altogether. The main reasons: undisciplined students, uninvolved parents, and non-support from administration. I encourage all parents today to do whatever it takes to put their children in private schools, or home school.
Yes!
threats and mob-rule : the new normal of student-teacher, parent-admin power dynamics
EXACTLY!!
My student teaching gave me ptsd. Like yes! The kinder students were sweet and great and I loved them. But some of the adults were annoying and discouraging. My mentor teacher would say, “This kid isn’t paying attention to you lesson b/c they’re bored”. I’m sorry but being “bored” is the weakest and laziest excuse for bad behavior. I won’t even mention my experience with the observer, she was way worse.
Long story short, she’s the reason I have PTSD and get anxious over observations (especially unannounced ones).
@@amylee8969 she sounds like a terrible person
Your points are spot on.
Thank you!
middle school years are the worst for kids. Kids between app 11 and 14 have crappy time and are bastards to each other
Definitely! Totally agree!
Very true, and I experienced this in both private and public middle school.
@dutchboyslim5951
Yeah, especially now a days. I mean yes! When I was in 6th-8th grade, there were mischievous chatty kids, but unlike today, teachers were allowed to give consequences. Students also HAD to earn passing grades for it to show up on their report card. If you did no work, you got an “F” in the class, period!
@dutchboyslim5951
I was fortunate enough to not experience much bullying firsthand I. Middle school. But I do recall many of my classmates being highly disrespectful and mouthing off teachers.
@@amylee8969 unfortunately
As a 9th grader(freshman in HS), I agree with you completely! Other students can be so annoying, defiant, wretched, list goes on and on. It sucks to see parents not discipline(presumably) their children. Even as a teen with Cyclothymia and BPD, I still try my best to treat every teacher with respect, which I do. Im glad my parents are raising me right, unlike alot of other incompetent and negligent parents.
I will admit living with BPD and Cyclothymia is quite challenging, due to SO many drastic and rapid mood shifts(mainly due to the Cyclothymia), and my BPD causes me to change my perspective and feelings about people rapidly as well. Despite all of my mental disorders, I am very aware that whatever I do is MY fault and I take accountability for it. No matter how irritated, angry, depressed I can be, I do admit its my fault for what I did. So for the most part, I manage myself quite well!❤
So sorry for your illness and what you're going through. So glad you take responsibility for yourself though. That will get you far in life.
@@TeacherKellyTagAw thanks! And im sorry for your unfortunate experience with teaching. It sucks to live with BPD, cyclothymia, and im sure i have like antisocial personality disorder. Im currently considering getting put into therapy right now, I hope it goes well(if i do)
i come from a with family with mental issues, so i inherit and developed them unfortunately
@@mattsworldroadto6033 Thanks for your kind words. I hope you are able to get the therapy that will help you.
@@TeacherKellyTag thanks!
It's not a teacher's job to motivate or discipline students. It's the parents'. This used to be a given.
This!!
Bullies are cleaver in justifying or covering up their actions or just plain lying. What’s worse is the enablers or “flying monkeys “ the bullies surrounds themselves with. Two commons phrases bullies use:
“I was only playing” and “ he/she can’t take a joke.”
Definitely!