This is nothing more than a political provocation. Greek reaction was 100% accurate. It is also a tool for distracting the turkish people off of the real problems that Turkey faces as a country.
Your reverse psycology doesnt work here. Turkey is getting stronger each day. Greece is banckrupt. Greece lost it to the turks and now getting sour. Your intent to cause confusion and stir unrest is stale.
You. People. Talk. Only. False Do u talk about. 3500. Mosques. Converted. In bars. And. Motels Do u talk about. Andulosia. Mosques. Qurtaba. Mosques. Converted. In to church.
If you want to see provocation, you can look directly at Greece, Cyprus and Europe. Find out how many mosques they have destroyed in Greece, changed for bars or hotels. You can investigate the south cyprus attacks on mosques, throwing a Molotov and writing insulting articles on the mosque wall. and 329 mosques in 18 countries were converted into churches in various parts of europe. Accurate? you are either blind or uninformed.
Case of Cathedral of Cordoba can't be related to that of Hagia Sophia. Hagia Sophia was first built as a Cathedral and remained thus for 1000years. It was converted into a mosque. Cathedral of Cordoda was converted from a mosque which had been built over a Visgothic Church that had already existed.
not anywhere near the same. hagia sophia has similar importance in orthodox christianity as masjid al haram does in islam. it should have been kept as a museum if it were not to be returned to its original glory as a church.
dont try to argue with eurpeans having colonial mindset. they destroyed native culture of america ,new zealand, and australia for spreading christanity and now they are talking about secularism.
The same question keeps popping up- what about the mosque in Cordoba? Well that was converted 500 (!!) years or so back..what kind of comparison is this? Wake up call: now we live in the 21st century, this is not the medieval period...
True and even though they are not the same question at all Andalusia was Roman Anatolia was Greek turks were somewhere due to illiterate even they don’t know
Well Hagia Sophia was turned into a mosque 400 years ago before it was bought from Church trustee at the time by Sultan Mehmet and donated on his behalf to the people before later on being unlawfully turned into a museum by Atatürk.
Facebook is an addiction. Islam makes you crazy with hate to kill others. Hatred is a disease. People who hate others go bankrupt. No western countries wants to deal with Turkey. "Hatred is a boomerang when you throw at others, it returns back to bankrupts you."
As a Turkish I against you! And millions of our people think alike me! Turks asked to convert the Mosque their land their heritage. Turks are happy "elites" are not!..
Attaturk is not greater than Sultan Mehmet II. One championed Islam, while the other sought to destroy it!. It was disrepectful for Attaturk to overtun the decision of the ancestor of the Turks
"There is no 2nd nation in the world that makes up fairy tales as beautiful as the Arabs, tells as beautifully as the Persians, and believes in this tale as much as the Turks. " Mirza Feth Ali Ahundzade(Turk philosoph)
@Aiman Maraidi they only want a democracy that fit their feeling and that goes not against their interest, any nation which have self-determination and don't go in the way that western nation want it to go, they accuse it by being undemocratic or violate human right
Attention: it was moved from Being a mosque to a museum in 1934 by Ataturk without any constitutional right. Now, the Turkish constitutional and judicial authorities approved that the decision on 1934 was null. Not happy with that yet? then return all the mosques In Europe which are turned into churches or clubs specially in Spain and Greece. If you want to argue further, argue with justice and within the law.
for a Mosque or ex church , it is not good to be a museum without the prayer of same God. whether it be a Church or Masjid, it should be prayed in . Visitors and tourists can still visit
@Irrelevant the Second your sultan mehmet didn't buy it. Your so called Sultan erdogan is iblees using religion to blindly distract people from the atrocities he is carrying out.
"It was concluded that the settlement deed allocated it as a mosque and its use outside this character is not possible legally," Turkey's top administrative court said in the ruling. "The cabinet decision in 1934 that ended its use as a mosque and defined it as a museum did not comply with laws," it said. It should be noted that it is a personal property of the Sultan Mehmet II, Sultan's offer was accepted by the relavent authorities (Church trustees). The deeds confirming this is still available in the Turkish archives in Ankara. He purchased the Hagia Sophia from the relevant trustees, Concluded a settlement deed and then allocated it for a mosque as Waqf (endowment to public and charitable causes). UNESCO or anyone who wants to make it as a permanent museum of the UNESCO world heritage sites, then they should buy it from the relevant authority; Put your money where your mouth is! It was open for all, it will remain open for all public and for all charitable causes and it is a mosque, according to the original deeds and the man who purchased it. The problem was created by their (Turkish) Mustafa Kemal Pasha. He turned it into a museum to make money out of people's religious feelings by selling tickets. Ticket price to enter Hagia Sophia ranges from minimum of $30 USD to a maximum of $370 USD (depanding on the season) per person. It maintained the highest museum ticket prices in the country. Good news is from 24-July-2020 and onwards free entry (free of charge) for all. Btw, for those who are questioning Turkish judicial systems: Turkish governance, administration and legal system, originated and developed over the time based on their own merit, they were never colonized, never ruled by any foreign power. So the Turkish judicial system is one of the oldest on the planet as we can trace its history back from the 12th century, maintaining the strong heritage and rock-solid legacies. Unlike, our Indian subcontinents were conquered, colonized and ruled by a company (The British East India Company), not even by a state, let alone facing an empire. Therefore, the legal dispute/conflict is only relating to the use of the place/building as a "Turkish mosque" or as "museum of a Turkish Mosque", meaning "Turkish museum" Vs. "Turkish Mosque", so the dispute is not relating to "church" Vs. "mosque".
The purchase of the Aghia Sophia Church is not true. The church was part of the conquest of Constantinople, and was therefore Ottoman by conquest not purchase. It was then turned into a mosque. Did Mehmet get permission from the so called "trustees" to also loot it for three days as was the tradition in those times?
@Lucius Beck If you are an animal in the jungle that law applies. Our kings defended the city and the church well, and fell facing you. All empires fall, including yours I may remind you. If it helps with your national confidence issue to turn into a mosque, so be it. You can rest assured Greece will not do the same as there are no Ottoman architectural equivalents in our country.
Genius! Babri masjid was a temple. Even, Mecca was a pagan temple. Haghia Sophia was a church. So many temple, churces, monasteries,etc.. destroyed by Islam.
@@anbuk7953 Not agreeing in hagia sofia converion..But even court acknowledged that there is no evidence of a temple being there..No historic evidence for babur destroying a temple,No archeological evidence whatso ever.
@@anbuk7953 oh really?! Mecca wasn't temple! It got ruined by false believers, they decorated kaba with all those sinful items. But prophet Muhammad made it mosque Again! Bcz it was mosque made by prophet Ibrahim many years ago before prophet Muhammad!
Tourist visit museums, not mosques.....and if you are going to force the women tourist to wear a hijab to enter HAGIA SOPHIA then forget it you become a caliphate nation...
@Abu Adam God gave man and women freedom and equal rights...not men tell their women how to dress, walk behind them, not allowed to drive, not allowed to compete in sports, punish them if they are caught with another man and I can go on and on...
Keep your hypocritical sad preachings for the converted mosque of cordoba, the closed mosques of athens and one of the earliest mosque turned into a pub in Israel.
z U you do realize christianity reached the iberian union before islam did? Besides, islam built that abomination through the conquest of the iberian peninsula.
@@Potjenjks2988 do you know the white butcher annihilated the ancient civilizations of the original natives in New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, Canada and US? Conquest is apart of human history either deal with it or wallow in pain. The Caliphate conquered the Iberian peninsula, the same way UK conquered Ireland. Who was butchered before Christianity spread in Papua New Guniea and South America?
Get ur facts right...babri mosque was built on a ancient Rama temple by the bloodthirsty conqueror of Mughal empire.... special thanks to Erdogan, now the holy temple of Rama will commence....why is Israel been very quiet to rebuild their temple on Al Aqsa... waiting for Messiah to come
ramzi rouissi I live in what you call the west. Few blocks from my house we have a mosque, and I would be happy if it is a church.... Turkey just gave me fantastic idea!!!! Would that be a problem for you ??? ;)
@@sanjas8480 i bet you cant do it because ur a keyboard warrior. i bet $1000 on this. Contact me on discord : Kuro-Ken#2991 once u do and send me video
chlorox bleach2 I have no interest in doing it, but also would not be upset if somebody else does it, since for you it is normal and not upsetting act. Cultural difference I guess.
chlorox bleach2 Actually Sanja has right. How would you feel hearing that? Westerns or not, We do respect the mosques and the people who are going there, even if they live in our countries and the governments can do whatever he wants.
Let’s not forget the muezzin who made the first prayer call upon the opening of mosque 2 years ago fell dead as he tried to call. How’s Turkey economy today?
He is talking all the things with haters mind set , not as a mindset with secularist. A question for you- Where you were when Al Aqsa was turned into church or into a temple . Please don't say anything on media for some bucks to be in your pocket. Go ahead haters
I as a turk am disgusted by this decision. A Museum is the best way to ensure peace between the multiple Religions. You are so ignorant, Erdogan just wants to be reelected and you think he does that for you. That's total bs.
Why you feel like that ? That's your country. Museum is just museum and a lot of dust ..but mosques and churches are the God houses and there ppl pray .Well now we all need that especially now when the world is katastrophy with all these viruses and floods ..🤷🏼♀️
on July 6, Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov voiced Russia’s position on the issue: “The decision to change the status of St. Sophia Cathedral in Istanbul is Turkey’s own internal affair.”
@jisan ahmed So that's just like saying Israel can do what it wants to the Al-Aqsa? I'm no fan of Israel but I think Erdogan's decision to change the Hagia Sophia into a Mosque will turn people against Islam, and it will give a justification for Israel changing the Al-Aqsa into a synagogue, because it will consider it an internal matter as well, even if it is owned by Jordan
It was totally necessary ! A great injustice was committed in 1934 as now ruled by the courts. Now the building is once again a place of worship fulfilling it's purpose, it was never built to be a museum.
@@isthiakahsan i never said it was built to be a mosque, i said a place of worship. Any building built as a place of worship cannot fulfill it's purpose by being a museum irrelevant of which faith the worshipers are from. Why are you finding that difficult to understand ?
@@secularhumanist5248 it's different when you take it by forced. Hagia Sophia was bought by Sultan Muhammad al fatih. It became Turkey's right to make Hagia Sophia a mosque. Sorry for my bad English
There you have it in broad daylight: The Turks' ultimate design/grand scheme for Amsterdam, Burgess, Cologne, Milan, Paris, Prague, Stockholm, Venice, Vienna, Warsaw.
@Ahmed Jones isn't it crystal, bro? It has been 7 centuries and clearly this butthurteds can't still stand the fact that Turks conquered İstanbul. They don't wanna distract from their dreams that istanbul could not be conquered by the turks. That's why they talk like istanbul is not turkish but just like Milan or Vienna its their. Lol
@@oblamovadvanced5956 You are the ones making claims to religious buildings and therefore territories of other countries, and your doing it now (eg. Andalusia, Spain) what are you talking about? Hate to break it to you..it aint gonna happen...they will give you nada and you will take nothing..your not very popular in Spain if you didn't know that already! We thank you for using Greek names however ( Agia Sofia and Istanbul - I-stin-poli , meaning to the city)..very kind of you...lol😁
@@oblamovadvanced5956 lol you donut, it is the implications behind those claims that your politicians are making which is what I meant.Explain to me how exactly your politicians who make such claims intend to take back control of these religious buildings? Are the Spanish going to just hand it over to you through negotiation, in the same way it is trying to negotiate with Greece (through insults and blackmail basically)? Erm no don't think so, so therefore it is"implied" that they are going to take it by force. As for the lettuce, I know your not the sharpest tool in the box but would you like me to buy you a book to help you with your English for Christmas? I'm good like that..hehe😁
29 May 1453: “Early this morning, the storming of the city began. There was fierce fighting until the Byzantine commander, Giovanni Giustiniani-Longo, left the field to tend his wounds. The emperor was killed in the thick of battle. Then the looting began. People huddled in the church were dragged off to slavery, killed, or assaulted on the altar. “
Taha Altar Çağ sorry. For that you must have an antiIslamic mindset and you have to go against the interest of Turkish people. Only then there is a chance. From Bangladesh.
Isnt it still open for tourist 6 days a week - Saturday to Thursday'. I guess it is closed on Friday afternoon prayers only. Tourist and all religions allowed during 6 days a week.
I believe that historical iconic monument became world heritage above religions and petty politics. All religious traditions should be respected. And the magnanimity of tolerance should overcome the pettiness of supremacism.
.People forgot that Mr. Erdogan turn back site of tourist St. Gabriel first into cathedral in 2014, it already stand there for 1.600 years. .People forgot that Muhammad Al Fatih before war did dialogue first with Roman Leader to solve problem between them, when Al Fatih become leader there all churchs can stand still, people can pray with their own way, he just turn one building into mosque (Hagia Sofia) plus place of political meeting.
@@asdfasdf3037 now, whats the difference then? Secularism does not tolerate Islam because Islam does not tolerate secularism. In the same way, Islam does not tolerate secularism because secularism does not tolerate Islam (as you happened to admit in your comment). So the question is: why secularism is good and Islam is bad? Simply because you like it? Well, your or Pamuks opinion does not change ours. Hope you can see how secularists are indoctrinated. Critisizing other ideologies for what you have yourself (once again as you admitted)
@Brek Malotta yeah, it is called paradox of tolerance. Actually it is a weakness of this ideology, so you can not use this sentence as a defence. There are some attempts to divert from the problem (Popper and Ralws come in mind) but they are very weak and futile.
@aozen Yes, originally, byzantine cathedral, then roman catholic church, ottomans turks mosques; Then it was also initially a mosque under Republic of Turkey; Then Mustafa Kamal, the then President of Turkey change it to a museum; Currently, the same Republic of Turkey deem that action was illegal, and under the current President change it back to a Mosque. A good thing as now Visitor can enter freely without being charge entrance fee as before. Its much better and respectful than the so many churches in Europe change the usage to Pubs & Bars or worse. In Spain there are also many Mosque converted to Churches.
@@istanbulportrait I was in Instanbul last year and circled around historical downtown, vaste area of the city. I saw only couple of churches nearby Agia Sophia desertet, or even burned inside, with no freskoes, mosaics, no oltar, no any sign that it once used to be a church. Turkish built many mosques here in Balkans on foundations of great churches using their material after they distroyed all of them. Ok, that is history, but why Turkey makes this step now in 21 century? We want to have mutual respect with Turkey, Europe, Russia, US. Turkey had great improvment of economy, tourism, people come to work in Europe, Russia, earn money.
5:54.Isn't a democratically elected government supposed to be "popular"?But it seems that for Orhan Pamuk any turkish government should be more interested in pleasing the west than meeting the desires of its own people 6:06.That"s why he regrets so much Ataturk's dictatorship(who did exactly that).
@@petrosk.7838 Can we please stop hating on each other, especially in these days, what does what you wrote has to do with the content we are talking about and why you full of hate.
"'The famous 19th century Russian thinker Nikolai Danilevski once divided human societies into “civilization creators” and “civilization destroyers”. He listed the ten greatest unique civilizations in chronological order: Egyptian, Chinese, Ancient Semitic (Assyrian, Babylon, Phonoecia, Chaldea), Indian, Persian, Grecian, Roman, neo-Semitic (Arab), and Germano-Roman (European) and had the following to say about them: “[B]eside these positive... civilizations there have also periodically appeared in the ages of humanity certain transitory actors like the Huns, Mongols, and Turks, whose candles have suddenly flared up and gone out, passing quickly into history. After completing their task of destruction, of assisting in the deaths of moribund civilizations and scattering their remains, THEY RETURN TO THEIR PREVIOUS INSIGNIFICANCE AND DISAPPEAR. We may call them the negative actors of history.' Not only among the intellectuals, but throughout the West there has been no end of things said about the cultural vandalism of the Turks." Taner Akçam - "Turkey’s test of civilization"
I'm not a fan of museums, I prefer when buildings can be used for something, where there's life and not just for observing. I'd be happier if it was converted back to a cathedral instead of a mosque, but it being a mosque is still better than it being a stale dead museum.
A church!! Are you joking! Here in the UK churches are closing and lie empty for years before they are bought and converted into community centres or mosques...
RedLightSpellsDanger what’s the Uk got to do with anything? It’s Istanbul we’re talking about, it’s a city over littered with mosques on every corner, the last thing they need is another mosque
The People There are loanwords in Urdu from Turkish, Arabic, and Persian. I don’t speak Urdu well as I live in the Us but the composition is Turkish+Arabic+Persian+Sanskrit/Hindi=Urdu. Hope my answer helps. 🙂
I personally believe religion is used purely as justification for war and false hope as most wars throughout history have been started by religion or had religious meaning tied into the war in some way, though despite my feelings I still think in a non biased way towards all religions and think that because obviously the majority religion in Turkey has changed and orthodox catholic is almost entirely gone in the world their is no reason why the Hagia Sofia should not be turned back into a religious place for worship for its new religious majority.
Greeks know the Turks very well, during Ottoman times, they built a Mosque on the Acropolis of Athens, inside Parthenon. Luckily after Greek Independence, it was removed from the Holy Rock. Places should revert back to either their original status or to museum status. Noone in the west, in the year 2020, can understand how a country like Turkey (NATO member) can take such a decision which only reminds everyone the middle ages. Reverting anything to anything hundreds of years ago, is no excuse for what Erdogan did TODAY. It seems that for Turks, being secular mattered during the last 84 years, do they now spit on the face of Kemal ? For what this is worth, I think Erdogan is taking Turkey to a hard path, no good future can come to a country with such strong nationalistic agenda.
I am not religious at all but if you ask this to any Turkish person, majority will support the decision. But I can say you Greeks are more nationalistic than Turks and holding grudges.
@@jimroth6681 why good? It’s so bad that Greeks have started to not care about our culture and history. I’m not saying that we should be nationalists, but at least appreciate our nation
@@ΗκαλήΧαμογελαστή patriotism and nationalism are like socialism and communism. One leads to another. Your history is beautiful and the most unique. If the youth don’t appreciate it’s their stupidity. But wouldn’t you like to have Hagia Sophia and Constantinople?
This guy is saying openly, in TURKEY is no free speech and he is still in TURKEY and nobody cares about him and his opinion. Can somebody please tell him that contradicts.
I dont care about what Orhan pamuk thinks.i dont like him anyway. I am a Türk, I love my history and I never deny and ignore where I come from.I am happy with this decision. Ayasofya-i Kebir is a mosque and it will always stay as a mosque. No matter what people think nothing can make this decision look unfair.
@Saf 299 Who is "they?" Constantine I placed the capital of the Empire in . . . wait for it . . . Byzantium!" Just as the Roman Empire, centered in . . . wait for it . . . the city of Rome, was named after it, so can the Eastern, and eventually sole, capital of the Empire be named after it. Your comment ignores the Western creation of a "Holy Roman Empire." This was, of course, a political move made to de-legitimize the Byzantine Empire. Interestingly, the headquarters of the Holy Roman Empire was never in Rome. Anyone who doesn't recognize that the Byzantine Empire was Roman is, of course, wrong. So, you go ahead & bang you head against the hundreds of writings of scholars who revered the name, "Byzantine Empire." Let me know when you get out of the hospital.
@@polemius01 byzantine was and name for the region in witch Constantinople was built. calling Easter roman empire byzantine, is same as calling Germany, Brandenburg empire.
actually "byzantines" called themselves just romans without eastern and other additives, but today it's ok to call them Easter romans as it lets us differentiate them from Latin speaking classical roman empire.
Yes yes ask to orhan pamuk. why am i not surprised about the interview its a joke 😂 Millions dont agree ? He is talking like noone want this in Turkey and it happened that way which is false
He precisely says at 6:13 that he knows it's unfortunately a popular decision in Turkey. He's aware millions of Turkish people are applauding this, that's not his point. Didn't you understand that part?
Jesus is not The son of GOD oh okay... that’s interesting. Here in South Africa you’re not allowed to build where a mosque may have stood or use it for any other purposes even if it were abandoned
Decades he was giving out Ataturk and his work nowdays he try to get his benefits from politics. In Turkey we call him "Dansoz " Eng meaning , can not be trusted and he would change his word 180 degrees.
Interesting. We never mentioned to our tour guide last year, about Ataturk's doing during his time, as it would seem rather a sensitive piece of history to bring up. We saw Ataturk pictures were everywhere, so we thought he was adored by most Turks. Anyways, wishing Turks well! From a 🇲🇾 Malay.
Even khaliph Umar (most hard liner among four) denounced prayer offer by priests of Jerusalem. He understood that his ediot successors would convert that into mosque.
“After three days of obligatory sacking, Mehmed began consolidating and embellishing his new capital. Justinian’s cathedral of Hagia Sophia was converted into an imperial mosque, as eventually were numerous other churches and monasteries.”
It's not theirs, it's a world heritage site. Imagine if Greece wanted to paint the Parthenon blue, it's theirs they can do whatever they want with it right? Nope they can't, it's a cultural monument that belongs to the whole world.
I didn't know who this nobel price winner was before this interview but I'm going to look for his literary work right now. The man has fire 🔥! Such an eloquent and intelligent defence.
I would say to Pamuk, if he thinks the EU is really secular he needs to think twice, secularism is segragation of religion and state and not forceful implementation of godlessness that Kemal was upto. And the mosque of Cordoba, no muslin can even do a personal prayer which I believe is a fundamental universal human right, what are you talking about???
@@mbarkbiba the best decision ever. The religion which sees woman inferior like a crop field like something to be sold and bought. He should have banned the religion entirely but it is a virus that you cannot get rid of.
@@jimroth6681 hey Jim your wrong , I would like to change your opinion but since your so smart show me a verse in the quran or the Hadith that says that woman are inferior to men & I would renounce Islam right now
@@mbarkbiba An-Nisa, 34: As for women of whom you fear rebellion, convince them, and leave them apart in beds, and beat them. Then, if they obey you, do not seek a way against them. Surely, Allah is the Highest, the Greatest. Why not the opposite situation mentioned for example? 2:223 Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like 4:11 The share of the male shall be twice that of a female There is no verse or insignificant number in quran speaks so a woman. It is always man. If it is Also outside of Quran Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A'La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur'an, vol. 1, p. 165 I heard the Prophet saying. 'Evil omen is in three things: The horse, the woman and the house Bukhari Welcome to the atheism my friend or start with deism it is easier.
Agia Sophia is a church, much before Islam was founded, and 1000 years before Turks occupied Byzantine and Balkan countries. This is a sad day for Turkey and free minded world.
@@pointgreece4331 not occupied! Constantinopel is Conquard and Payd with Blood! The Ayasofya is buyed with Gold from the Orhodox Priests from the Ayasofya. This is the Truth read the History
What if someone decide one day to turn Blue mosque into Budist temple or into church, or Al Aqsa into Sinagogue? Or to use material from thousands of mosques to build churches or budist temples? How would you feel about it?
@@pointgreece4331 Ayasofya its a mosque since 1453 the last years it was a museum. İt was turnd from a museum in a mosque. Where is the problem????? İn greek 1000s of historical mosques turns into bars cafes ond other thinks!
Hristiyan Hristov So is worshiping your creator you being useless? Don’t you think you are the ones with no purpose, do we come and go for no reason? Did we just appear?
This is nothing more than a political provocation. Greek reaction was 100% accurate. It is also a tool for distracting the turkish people off of the real problems that Turkey faces as a country.
Your reverse psycology doesnt work here. Turkey is getting stronger each day. Greece is banckrupt. Greece lost it to the turks and now getting sour. Your intent to cause confusion and stir unrest is stale.
You. People. Talk. Only. False
Do u talk about. 3500. Mosques. Converted. In bars. And. Motels
Do u talk about. Andulosia. Mosques.
Qurtaba. Mosques. Converted. In to church.
350.000 turks pray in Agia Sofia
Covid19: Hey!
If you want to see provocation, you can look directly at Greece, Cyprus and Europe. Find out how many mosques they have destroyed in Greece, changed for bars or hotels. You can investigate the south cyprus attacks on mosques, throwing a Molotov and writing insulting articles on the mosque wall. and 329 mosques in 18 countries were converted into churches in various parts of europe. Accurate? you are either blind or uninformed.
@@BuminKagan1 Do you know history? What was Hagia Sophia before you turned it in to a mosque? What were the lands you are now?
Church becomes bar and pub : no one cares...
Revert BACK to Mosque : everyone lost their minds.....
I think lots of people care. As well when France is demolishing churches.
@@janpiwowarczyk2858 do they get the headlines like this?
Safwan Hassan which news paper do you read?
What do u mean by REVERT?? If it becomes church back then it can be called reverted.
@Zubeida Ahmed It isn't news because that happened 600 years ago, LOL
Case of Cathedral of Cordoba can't be related to that of Hagia Sophia.
Hagia Sophia was first built as a Cathedral and remained thus for 1000years. It was converted into a mosque.
Cathedral of Cordoda was converted from a mosque which had been built over a Visgothic Church that had already existed.
@Evop Fx
Then what, a mosque, and that too in 6th century?!!! Ok if so, where is the evidence??😆😆
And we can't compare history to 21st century.
Alan john must be an indian hindu!
Such arguments are so desi!!
@@TeamOrcas.smasons
What!!!
Indian @The People
@@TeamOrcas.smasons
What happened in Ayodhya???
Can you remember the mosque of spain, Greece? Thousands of mosques have been turned into church.
that mosque was built on top of a church.
@@BlitzOfTheReich first show me the proof. Secondly they had enough money to build Mosques.
not anywhere near the same. hagia sophia has similar importance in orthodox christianity as masjid al haram does in islam.
it should have been kept as a museum if it were not to be returned to its original glory as a church.
Yeah because the Moors invaded and built them, but then the Spanish fought back.
dont try to argue with eurpeans having colonial mindset. they destroyed native culture of america ,new zealand, and australia for spreading christanity and now they are talking about secularism.
The same question keeps popping up- what about the mosque in Cordoba? Well that was converted 500 (!!) years or so back..what kind of comparison is this? Wake up call: now we live in the 21st century, this is not the medieval period...
True and even though they are not the same question at all
Andalusia was Roman
Anatolia was Greek
turks were somewhere due to illiterate even they don’t know
Nature Boy I think everybody knows that beside turks
Alexis Gateley by the same people, it’s not really a bad comparison
Well it was converted into a mosque 500 years before. ..
Well Hagia Sophia was turned into a mosque 400 years ago before it was bought from Church trustee at the time by Sultan Mehmet and donated on his behalf to the people before later on being unlawfully turned into a museum by Atatürk.
Turkey heading towards bankruptcy, decides to send out a signal to any remaining potential tourists.
Facebook is an addiction. Islam makes you crazy with hate to kill others. Hatred is a disease. People who hate others go bankrupt. No western countries wants to deal with Turkey. "Hatred is a boomerang when you throw at others, it returns back to bankrupts you."
😂 You hope so, but you can dream on
What? Turkey gonna bankrupt just 'cuz of tourists won't came anymore? Lol, someone miss point Turkey with Maldives. 🤷♀️
hooray, a worthy criticism on a worthy dilemma, cuz there is obviously no other right?
All country in the world now are bankrupt because of the pandemic not just turkey
Shame to all those who accepted this atrocity!
As a Turkish I against you! And millions of our people think alike me!
Turks asked to convert the Mosque their land their heritage.
Turks are happy "elites" are not!..
Majority is not always right. Democracy is also hearing to minority and criticism
But minority doesnt have the right of decision in Democracy!
Say that to your Hindutva Government son
are you dont have mirror? look at your own goverment.. democracy? minority right? lol 🤣
Irony of the century when you consider how your Hindutva extremist government is treating religious minorities.
Attaturk is not greater than Sultan Mehmet II. One championed Islam, while the other sought to destroy it!.
It was disrepectful for Attaturk to overtun the decision of the ancestor of the Turks
"There is no 2nd nation in the world that makes up fairy tales as beautiful as the Arabs, tells as beautifully as the Persians, and believes in this tale as much as the Turks. "
Mirza Feth Ali Ahundzade(Turk philosoph)
@Aiman Maraidi they only want a democracy that fit their feeling and that goes not against their interest, any nation which have self-determination and don't go in the way that western nation want it to go, they accuse it by being undemocratic or violate human right
All in one
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Cry 😂😂
Mirza is Persian name
Why media’s are not talk about when Greek and Spain change mosques into churches and bar
Because Hagia Sophia in not just "another church" ...
Because it not happening - it was hundreds years ago.
I am Mexican but my ancestors participated in the reconquista, let me remember you who invaded first Spain and who built mosques upon churches.
Attention: it was moved from Being a mosque to a museum in 1934 by Ataturk without any constitutional right. Now, the Turkish constitutional and judicial authorities approved that the decision on 1934 was null. Not happy with that yet? then return all the mosques In Europe which are turned into churches or clubs specially in Spain and Greece. If you want to argue further, argue with justice and within the law.
What was Hagia Sophia created for and used for almost 1000 years? If you want to argue, argue with facts they are needed in a free court...
and it was converted and stolen from the orthodox
Without lies Islam dies
The person who decided this and the people sympathising along are showing their true colours!
Hundreds churches become mosques in London and no one protest
YES!So what
The Cordoba Mosque in Spain was transformed into a cathedral...
for a Mosque or ex church , it is not good to be a museum without the prayer of same God. whether it be a Church or Masjid, it should be prayed in . Visitors and tourists can still visit
respect to the greek guide, who stays there with his head up high, defending a history of two thousand years against the uncivilised rulers
Very civilised actually, you ignoramus
I think Mustafa Kemal has answered the answer in İzmir.
@Irrelevant the Second your sultan mehmet didn't buy it. Your so called Sultan erdogan is iblees using religion to blindly distract people from the atrocities he is carrying out.
@@sweetlikeespresso5921 why would a Turkish president use religion as a tool. When no one in turkey liked religion when he began rule
Ali Hyder That is why, He used religion to gain the attention of the public.
"It was concluded that the settlement deed allocated it as a mosque and its use outside this character is not possible legally," Turkey's top administrative court said in the ruling.
"The cabinet decision in 1934 that ended its use as a mosque and defined it as a museum did not comply with laws," it said.
It should be noted that it is a personal property of the Sultan Mehmet II, Sultan's offer was accepted by the relavent authorities (Church trustees). The deeds confirming this is still available in the Turkish archives in Ankara. He purchased the Hagia Sophia from the relevant trustees, Concluded a settlement deed and then allocated it for a mosque as Waqf (endowment to public and charitable causes). UNESCO or anyone who wants to make it as a permanent museum of the UNESCO world heritage sites, then they should buy it from the relevant authority; Put your money where your mouth is!
It was open for all, it will remain open for all public and for all charitable causes and it is a mosque, according to the original deeds and the man who purchased it.
The problem was created by their (Turkish) Mustafa Kemal Pasha. He turned it into a museum to make money out of people's religious feelings by selling tickets. Ticket price to enter Hagia Sophia ranges from minimum of $30 USD to a maximum of $370 USD (depanding on the season) per person. It maintained the highest museum ticket prices in the country. Good news is from 24-July-2020 and onwards free entry (free of charge) for all.
Btw, for those who are questioning Turkish judicial systems: Turkish governance, administration and legal system, originated and developed over the time based on their own merit, they were never colonized, never ruled by any foreign power. So the Turkish judicial system is one of the oldest on the planet as we can trace its history back from the 12th century, maintaining the strong heritage and rock-solid legacies. Unlike, our Indian subcontinents were conquered, colonized and ruled by a company (The British East India Company), not even by a state, let alone facing an empire.
Therefore, the legal dispute/conflict is only relating to the use of the place/building as a "Turkish mosque" or as "museum of a Turkish Mosque", meaning "Turkish museum" Vs. "Turkish Mosque", so the dispute is not relating to "church" Vs. "mosque".
Thank you for your enlightenment. Now I understand.
The purchase of the Aghia Sophia Church is not true. The church was part of the conquest of Constantinople, and was therefore Ottoman by conquest not purchase. It was then turned into a mosque. Did Mehmet get permission from the so called "trustees" to also loot it for three days as was the tradition in those times?
@Lucius Beck If you are an animal in the jungle that law applies.
Our kings defended the city and the church well, and fell facing you.
All empires fall, including yours I may remind you.
If it helps with your national confidence issue to turn into a mosque, so be it.
You can rest assured Greece will not do the same as there are no Ottoman architectural equivalents in our country.
@@Agamemnon1002 you should spend some time in the archives.
@@Jajdjejwi28 What archives are these?
What about Babri Masjid? What about thousands Mosjid broke burned in Burma !
Genius! Babri masjid was a temple. Even, Mecca was a pagan temple.
Haghia Sophia was a church.
So many temple, churces, monasteries,etc.. destroyed by Islam.
Myanmar is buddist majority
@jisan ahmed You are agreeing with my words.
What if, Muhammed was just a fraud and your whole life is a lie.
@@anbuk7953
Not agreeing in hagia sofia converion..But even court acknowledged that there is no evidence of a temple being there..No historic evidence for babur destroying a temple,No archeological evidence whatso ever.
@@anbuk7953 oh really?! Mecca wasn't temple! It got ruined by false believers, they decorated kaba with all those sinful items. But prophet Muhammad made it mosque Again! Bcz it was mosque made by prophet Ibrahim many years ago before prophet Muhammad!
Very shameful for the whole world
Don't worry, you still can visit the place.
And free 😆😆😆
Tourist visit museums, not mosques.....and if you are going to force the women tourist to wear a hijab to enter HAGIA SOPHIA then forget it you become a caliphate nation...
@Abu Adam careful what u wish for ; theocracy tends to be oppressive to all.
@Abu Adam God gave man and women freedom and equal rights...not men tell their women how to dress, walk behind them, not allowed to drive, not allowed to compete in sports, punish them if they are caught with another man and I can go on and on...
@Abu Adam Shias and Sunnis live peacefully in France not in say Iraq.
When al-asqa becomes a synagogue, don't complain...
How about the Palestinian land itself then?
It never becomes a synagogue. Forget the day dream.
Mosques all over Palestine have been turned into worse, where was your voice then?
@srinama dasa ok
If they can ...
When they do this,those lands will be their graves .
Atleast they said "back into a mosque"
@R. W and changed into a mosque.
@R. W
Yeah.
@@DAKEN711 It was built and used as a church before Muhammad was born.
@@MrDeep-wg1bl
Definitely.
@@MrDeep-wg1bldon't cry
Sad decision. Sad story.
Keep your hypocritical sad preachings for the converted mosque of cordoba, the closed mosques of athens and one of the earliest mosque turned into a pub in Israel.
z U you do realize christianity reached the iberian union before islam did? Besides, islam built that abomination through the conquest of the iberian peninsula.
@@Potjenjks2988 do you know the white butcher annihilated the ancient civilizations of the original natives in New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, Canada and US? Conquest is apart of human history either deal with it or wallow in pain. The Caliphate conquered the Iberian peninsula, the same way UK conquered Ireland. Who was butchered before Christianity spread in Papua New Guniea and South America?
z U you’re trying to point fingers on a matter that’s not important to your idiotic story about mosques in the iberian peninsula.
@@Potjenjks2988 we enjoyed enemies of islam hurt
When democracy backfires
Haha...best comments ever. Am surprised am the first 'like' on this. Am Sophia
Islamism
when centuries old babri masjid was plundered by hindu nationalists everyone was quiet. now why everyone is so sad
Get ur facts right...babri mosque was built on a ancient Rama temple by the bloodthirsty conqueror of Mughal empire.... special thanks to Erdogan, now the holy temple of Rama will commence....why is Israel been very quiet to rebuild their temple on Al Aqsa... waiting for Messiah to come
@@mamum4317
Supreme Court as well as indian archeology survey said
No temple was beneath that
There are more than 7 places believed that RAM was born here
Nepal 2 days before said RAM was a Nepali
His birth place is in nepal
Now wat will u say
If Mughals were blood thirsty and killers
Than now hindus won't be 80%+ in India
The hafia sofia is not a museum or a mosque, its a church.
Cope❤
AYIA SOFIA
THE WONDER OF CHRISTIANITY ✝️
WAS AND ALWAYS WILL
BE !
ONE DAY WITH THE
BLESSING OF SAINT SOFIA
WILL BE FREE AGAIN!
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Not anymore.
ابو جعف
Go and pray in Medina
@@yiannisosfp1621
No I'll pray in hagia sophia.
@funkypharaoh
اومال ايه يا عم 😂😂😂
@@DAKEN711 ههههههه قصفه جبهة هالصليبي هههههههههه
well as in your democracy, the majority of the Turks are happy so what's your problem of the west?
ramzi rouissi I live in what you call the west. Few blocks from my house we have a mosque, and I would be happy if it is a church.... Turkey just gave me fantastic idea!!!! Would that be a problem for you ??? ;)
@@sanjas8480 i bet you cant do it because ur a keyboard warrior.
i bet $1000 on this.
Contact me on discord : Kuro-Ken#2991 once u do and send me video
chlorox bleach2 I have no interest in doing it, but also would not be upset if somebody else does it, since for you it is normal and not upsetting act. Cultural difference I guess.
@@sanjas8480 its not about you being "upset" its being powerless. Do not bite more than you can chew
chlorox bleach2 Actually Sanja has right. How would you feel hearing that? Westerns or not, We do respect the mosques and the people who are going there, even if they live in our countries and the governments can do whatever he wants.
Best desicion made by turkey
Best decision of india by destroying babri masjid
Babri masjid destroyed, Best decision by INDIA
@@musaibrahim7774 go cry i know you are a pajeet
There are no charge fee to enter the Hagia Sofiya now right?
Correct. You have to pay for the tour of the upstairs
It's a masjid..and it's Turkish state...so what are others against it? None of your business..
Lets turn mosques in Balkans, Russia into churches. Is it normal for you?
@@pointgreece4331 it's up to you. .
@@pointgreece4331 yeah up to you
Let’s not forget the muezzin who made the first prayer call upon the opening of mosque 2 years ago fell dead as he tried to call. How’s Turkey economy today?
The enlightened souls always speak alike irrespective of geographical backgrounds or epochs. Great respect to you sir.
Orhan pamuk is a ignorant
He is talking all the things with haters mind set , not as a mindset with secularist.
A question for you-
Where you were when Al Aqsa was turned into church or into a temple .
Please don't say anything on media for some bucks to be in your pocket.
Go ahead haters
Religion is unnecessary.
He is a Islam enemy
I as a turk am disgusted by this decision. A Museum is the best way to ensure peace between the multiple Religions. You are so ignorant, Erdogan just wants to be reelected and you think he does that for you. That's total bs.
Especially since this goes against what Attaturk wants.
Why you feel like that ? That's your country.
Museum is just museum and a lot of dust ..but mosques and churches are the God houses and there ppl pray
.Well now we all need that especially now when the world is katastrophy with all these viruses and floods ..🤷🏼♀️
@@amelie4921 It's because it used to be a church before.
@@salmannasser9147 I knew that and I just think Erdogan is making the right decision.
@@amelie4921 Can you please elaborate on why you think Erdogan made the right decision?
on July 6, Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov voiced Russia’s position on the issue: “The decision to change the status of St. Sophia Cathedral in Istanbul is Turkey’s own internal affair.”
Putin chooses his men well
@jisan ahmed So that's just like saying Israel can do what it wants to the Al-Aqsa? I'm no fan of Israel but I think Erdogan's decision to change the Hagia Sophia into a Mosque will turn people against Islam, and it will give a justification for Israel changing the Al-Aqsa into a synagogue, because it will consider it an internal matter as well, even if it is owned by Jordan
@CYBER KING like Turkey in Cyprus & Syria?
@CYBER KING and Isreal would win
It was totally unnecessary. In a divided world it'll create more divide. It was not like that Turkey hadn't enough mosques for worshippers.
Isthiak Ahsan How about telling Armenia to stop abusing the mosque in Azerbaijan .
It was totally necessary ! A great injustice was committed in 1934 as now ruled by the courts. Now the building is once again a place of worship fulfilling it's purpose, it was never built to be a museum.
@@shabbirhafez1 It was never built to be a mosque either.
@@isthiakahsan i never said it was built to be a mosque, i said a place of worship. Any building built as a place of worship cannot fulfill it's purpose by being a museum irrelevant of which faith the worshipers are from. Why are you finding that difficult to understand ?
Turkey didn't demolish the building, it is still there.
What is this all fuss for, simply because people pray in it?
Why can’t it be both? A hybrid. Neither religions indicate prayer site requirements!
Well you can't pray infront of figures,but a combined church and mosque is a cool concept
bro .....as a ottoman I want it to be a mosque
it's in Turkey and they can do whatever they want
the Greeks can build a new one in their country
Then you can also build another Al aqsa mosque in Istanbul
No need of your Al aqsa mosque in
Jerusalem
@@secularhumanist5248 it's different when you take it by forced. Hagia Sophia was bought by Sultan Muhammad al fatih. It became Turkey's right to make Hagia Sophia a mosque. Sorry for my bad English
@@secularhumanist5248 then how bout mosque that get convert into church in Spain?
@@speedboy3929
So Al aqsa will again convert into
Synaogoge
That's it
secular humanist let them try there will be war
There you have it in broad daylight: The Turks' ultimate design/grand scheme for Amsterdam, Burgess, Cologne, Milan, Paris, Prague, Stockholm, Venice, Vienna, Warsaw.
Erdogan said he would “liberate” the Arab settlements of Al Aqua Mosque and the Done of the Rock. He does not even know what the word means.
@Ahmed Jones isn't it crystal, bro? It has been 7 centuries and clearly this butthurteds can't still stand the fact that Turks conquered İstanbul. They don't wanna distract from their dreams that istanbul could not be conquered by the turks. That's why they talk like istanbul is not turkish but just like Milan or Vienna its their. Lol
@@oblamovadvanced5956 You are the ones making claims to religious buildings and therefore territories of other countries, and your doing it now (eg. Andalusia, Spain) what are you talking about? Hate to break it to you..it aint gonna happen...they will give you nada and you will take nothing..your not very popular in Spain if you didn't know that already! We thank you for using Greek names however ( Agia Sofia and Istanbul - I-stin-poli , meaning to the city)..very kind of you...lol😁
@@MegaDonlemon lol. Are you high? When we said that Spain is belong to us? It's not healthy to carry a lettuce instead of a brain dear, just sayin😉
@@oblamovadvanced5956 lol you donut, it is the implications behind those claims that your politicians are making which is what I meant.Explain to me how exactly your politicians who make such claims intend to take back control of these religious buildings? Are the Spanish going to just hand it over to you through negotiation, in the same way it is trying to negotiate with Greece (through insults and blackmail basically)? Erm no don't think so, so therefore it is"implied" that they are going to take it by force. As for the lettuce, I know your not the sharpest tool in the box but would you like me to buy you a book to help you with your English for Christmas? I'm good like that..hehe😁
Orhan Pamuk thank you 🙏🙏
Focus on your India
Focus on your "Farmers" then on Mosques, you are irrelevant making comments here .
Ricebag
Why are European, us care? Its their country.
so would you care if israel replaced al aqsa with the temple
As a philosopher said ''the more they will be understanding Hagia Sophia, the more doubts they will be having about their reigion''
Qur'an is not like bible or philosophy, there are no doubts & contradictions in quran.
Even kilicdaroglu hails the conversions
Watch sheikh imran hosein, hagia Sophia will be returned to you inshallah
29 May 1453: “Early this morning, the storming of the city began. There was fierce fighting until the Byzantine commander, Giovanni Giustiniani-Longo, left the field to tend his wounds. The emperor was killed in the thick of battle. Then the looting began. People huddled in the church were dragged off to slavery, killed, or assaulted on the altar. “
Of course. There is a reason he got the Nobel Prize.
I think exactly the same, can I get one as well?
Taha Altar Çağ sorry. For that you must have an antiIslamic mindset and you have to go against the interest of Turkish people. Only then there is a chance. From Bangladesh.
@@ADRinthehouse but you look like Indian
Khurram Nawab in Bangladesh you can see many different types of features.
@@ADRinthehouse well said
Isnt it still open for tourist 6 days a week - Saturday to Thursday'. I guess it is closed on Friday afternoon prayers only. Tourist and all religions allowed during 6 days a week.
Ataturk's decision to make Turkey a secular country was also a political agenda, why was it not debated?
I believe that historical iconic monument became world heritage above religions and petty politics. All religious traditions should be respected. And the magnanimity of tolerance should overcome the pettiness of supremacism.
Don't call it just a historical iconic monument
It is A CHURCH!!
@@athuldominic yes it was
@@athuldominic yeah, 600 years ago lol.
@@ag6981 yes islamists looted it🤮🤮
His inferiority-complex is nauseating
Salem Bajnaid I guess
Salem Bajnaid Erdoğan’s? Yes, couldn’t agree more. Very sad that he’s so insecure.
@@madelineemilia8504 No, Orhan's and yours.
Sad turn of events
Happy*
@@DAKEN711 *sad
A writer's stand must be for humanity & truth.
I salute orhan pamuk
A Wannabe French man. Sultan Mehmet in 1453 made it into a Mosquem . This is an inferior man.
.People forgot that Mr. Erdogan turn back site of tourist St. Gabriel first into cathedral in 2014, it already stand there for 1.600 years.
.People forgot that Muhammad Al Fatih before war did dialogue first with Roman Leader to solve problem between them, when Al Fatih become leader there all churchs can stand still, people can pray with their own way, he just turn one building into mosque (Hagia Sofia) plus place of political meeting.
@Andrew read again, but a lot more.
:)
Not just that...it was purchased
Why do you want European culture when you have your own culture. One who cannot respect his own culture and tradition is a hypocrite.
Who are you again?
And who are you?lol
Julia Hahn🐔 it says so right in the video🤣
@@princekrazie who is julian hand?
S Salman JULIA HAHN
S Salman oof
You can clearly see Pamuk's hatred towards non secularism. So where is the toleration? No toleration outside secularism.
No tolerance for things that do not tolerate secularism. Islam obviously do not.
@Zainul Abidin lol thats a fact. Theres no way that you can tolerate secularism if you take the koran serious.
Turkey = Pakistan now.
@@asdfasdf3037 now, whats the difference then? Secularism does not tolerate Islam because Islam does not tolerate secularism. In the same way, Islam does not tolerate secularism because secularism does not tolerate Islam (as you happened to admit in your comment). So the question is: why secularism is good and Islam is bad? Simply because you like it? Well, your or Pamuks opinion does not change ours. Hope you can see how secularists are indoctrinated. Critisizing other ideologies for what you have yourself (once again as you admitted)
@Brek Malotta yeah, it is called paradox of tolerance. Actually it is a weakness of this ideology, so you can not use this sentence as a defence. There are some attempts to divert from the problem (Popper and Ralws come in mind) but they are very weak and futile.
It was made as a place of worshipping God, it has return to a place of worshipping God.
@aozen Yes, originally, byzantine cathedral, then roman catholic church, ottomans turks mosques; Then it was also initially a mosque under Republic of Turkey; Then Mustafa Kamal, the then President of Turkey change it to a museum; Currently, the same Republic of Turkey deem that action was illegal, and under the current President change it back to a Mosque. A good thing as now Visitor can enter freely without being charge entrance fee as before. Its much better and respectful than the so many churches in Europe change the usage to Pubs & Bars or worse. In Spain there are also many Mosque converted to Churches.
I believe it was a different god 😂
@@jamesmiller2521 There is only One God, the Creator God, the Most High; its only that we have different ideas about him.
Allahu akbar
@aozen are you serious? Look back at hole spain russia and greece what you took from us. Hagia sophia is nothing in compare
it name is Aya Sofya Grand Mosque. Millions of Turkish citizens prayed in the Hagia Sophia Grand Mosque today.
What Agia Sophia mean in Turkish language? How church can become mosque? What if Russians or Balkan countries decide to turn mosques into churches?
@@pointgreece4331 In return, there are 159 churches in Istanbul ;).
@@istanbulportrait I was in Instanbul last year and circled around historical downtown, vaste area of the city. I saw only couple of churches nearby Agia Sophia desertet, or even burned inside, with no freskoes, mosaics, no oltar, no any sign that it once used to be a church. Turkish built many mosques here in Balkans on foundations of great churches using their material after they distroyed all of them. Ok, that is history, but why Turkey makes this step now in 21 century? We want to have mutual respect with Turkey, Europe, Russia, US. Turkey had great improvment of economy, tourism, people come to work in Europe, Russia, earn money.
Hey look at the bright side at least now you can visit it for free instead of paying money.
😂😂Haha...ya man ..
It's not like we can pray in our own way without being shunned out of our own holy sight.
@@Demicleas you could not pray either when it was museum anyway.. in fact, you could not pray at all
so much rant on just a building conversion but nothing on converting jerusalem into israel capital
This is called Hypocrisy of the West.
Jerusalem should be a museum for religions. Owned by everyone who is not a bigot.
5:54.Isn't a democratically elected government supposed to be "popular"?But it seems that for Orhan Pamuk any turkish government should be more interested in pleasing the west than meeting the desires of its own people 6:06.That"s why he regrets so much Ataturk's dictatorship(who did exactly that).
Braik OrO yeah you are right any government in the world will care about the needs of it people rather than pleasing people in foreign countries
Majoritarianism is not democracy.
@@71espn majority is literally how you decide who rules the state.
She said that the Byzantine mosaics will covered with curtains during worship, so in between they will uncover the mosaics for the tourists?
idk hopefully they just take the mosaics off the wall
@@ab_12_8 You are saying that all the men who lost their lives in the Turk raids were menaigless
No they remain covered.
Is it true that Turkey faces economy crisis recently?
Zhofir Zamani everyone is.
Yes, the economy has been in steep decline for a few years and Erdoğan has been ignoring it.
@Jack Mehoff True, however there was an economic crisis in Turkey before the coronavirus pandemic. It just made things much worse :(
Hagia Sophia's owner is Conquerer Sultan Mehmet, not Atatürk.
wait sultan mehmet came in 1453, but hagia sophia was built in 537 by justinian.
As a Turk I'm sorry to hear that.
Kaan Altunlu killer
@@petrosk.7838 Can we please stop hating on each other, especially in these days, what does what you wrote has to do with the content we are talking about and why you full of hate.
We are looking for grand mosque of cordoba to convert to mosque again.
Yea so we can again revert original church from which grand mosque of cordoba is built on :( stfu islamists
The secular museum status ensures Ayasoya will be seen by future generations.
1 Corinthians 3:17: "If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for God's temple is sacred, and you together are that temple."
"'The famous 19th century Russian thinker Nikolai Danilevski once divided human societies into “civilization creators” and “civilization destroyers”. He listed the ten greatest unique civilizations in chronological order: Egyptian, Chinese, Ancient Semitic (Assyrian, Babylon, Phonoecia, Chaldea), Indian, Persian, Grecian, Roman, neo-Semitic (Arab), and Germano-Roman (European) and had the following to say about them: “[B]eside these positive... civilizations there have also periodically appeared in the ages of humanity certain transitory actors like the Huns, Mongols, and Turks, whose candles have suddenly flared up and gone out, passing quickly into history. After completing their task of destruction, of assisting in the deaths of moribund civilizations and scattering their remains, THEY RETURN TO THEIR PREVIOUS INSIGNIFICANCE AND DISAPPEAR. We may call them the negative actors of history.' Not only among the intellectuals, but throughout the West there has been no end of things said about the cultural vandalism of the Turks."
Taner Akçam - "Turkey’s test of civilization"
Yeah so Taner Akcam is a reliable source or you like what you hear?
I'm not a fan of museums, I prefer when buildings can be used for something, where there's life and not just for observing. I'd be happier if it was converted back to a cathedral instead of a mosque, but it being a mosque is still better than it being a stale dead museum.
A church!! Are you joking! Here in the UK churches are closing and lie empty for years before they are bought and converted into community centres or mosques...
RedLightSpellsDanger what’s the Uk got to do with anything? It’s Istanbul we’re talking about, it’s a city over littered with mosques on every corner, the last thing they need is another mosque
Social Stoic, if it was converted to cathedral then it would have looked like stale dead museum.
najib sankriwala haha, maybe but we won’t know for sure
1:44 - Hasrat thi ?!!.. 😍urdu correlation..??@@??
The People There are loanwords in Urdu from Turkish, Arabic, and Persian.
I don’t speak Urdu well as I live in the Us but the composition is Turkish+Arabic+Persian+Sanskrit/Hindi=Urdu.
Hope my answer helps. 🙂
Is no such think
FREE SPEECH
Well said!
I personally believe religion is used purely as justification for war and false hope as most wars throughout history have been started by religion or had religious meaning tied into the war in some way, though despite my feelings I still think in a non biased way towards all religions and think that because obviously the majority religion in Turkey has changed and orthodox catholic is almost entirely gone in the world their is no reason why the Hagia Sofia should not be turned back into a religious place for worship for its new religious majority.
Religion accounts for a small percentage of wars. Look it up
My opinion on it is same but i hate it because Izrael will do the same decision when it expels all Palestinians.
Why they are not rising voice again armenia and israel.and india.
Its hypocrisy,bhai.
Who said they're not raising voices against Israel??
Against Armenia too? Armenian massacre was not enough?
Hagia Sophia is a Cathedral . It can never be a Mosque.
Ah what r you gonna do 'bout it? Go there and protest? Be my guest.
Greeks know the Turks very well, during Ottoman times, they built a Mosque on the Acropolis of Athens, inside Parthenon. Luckily after Greek Independence, it was removed from the Holy Rock. Places should revert back to either their original status or to museum status. Noone in the west, in the year 2020, can understand how a country like Turkey (NATO member) can take such a decision which only reminds everyone the middle ages. Reverting anything to anything hundreds of years ago, is no excuse for what Erdogan did TODAY. It seems that for Turks, being secular mattered during the last 84 years, do they now spit on the face of Kemal ? For what this is worth, I think Erdogan is taking Turkey to a hard path, no good future can come to a country with such strong nationalistic agenda.
I am not religious at all but if you ask this to any Turkish person, majority will support the decision. But I can say you Greeks are more nationalistic than Turks and holding grudges.
@@jimroth6681 How do you know she is Greek? Also I confirm you that the majority here aren’t patriots at all. Most of us hate it here
@@ΗκαλήΧαμογελαστή good for you
@@jimroth6681 why good? It’s so bad that Greeks have started to not care about our culture and history. I’m not saying that we should be nationalists, but at least appreciate our nation
@@ΗκαλήΧαμογελαστή patriotism and nationalism are like socialism and communism. One leads to another. Your history is beautiful and the most unique. If the youth don’t appreciate it’s their stupidity. But wouldn’t you like to have Hagia Sophia and Constantinople?
TYPICAL POLICY OF USING ONE OF YOU AGAINST YOU
This guy is saying openly, in TURKEY is no free speech and he is still in TURKEY and nobody cares about him and his opinion.
Can somebody please tell him that contradicts.
I dont care about what Orhan pamuk thinks.i dont like him anyway. I am a Türk, I love my history and I never deny and ignore where I come from.I am happy with this decision. Ayasofya-i Kebir is a mosque and it will always stay as a mosque. No matter what people think nothing can make this decision look unfair.
ARAS VET i am an Arab and i am so happy that Haiga Sophia turned back into a mosque , it was one of the happiest moments in my life .
Orhan Pamuk is puppet of the West
How many times will you visit aya Sofia then, it’s just a mosque , there are so many others in Istanbul
A sad day for the true faith ☦️☦️☦️
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Islam is the true Religion
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I'm quite jealous with the Turkish people who lucky enough to be able to pray there.
Long live Armenia
From iran ex m*slim
Shameless people wanted to pray in a looted and converted Church!!
me either
"Byzantine" didn't exist, it was East Roman empire
You might wish to go on meds, or get off them.
@Saf 299 Who is "they?"
Constantine I placed the capital of the Empire in . . . wait for it . . . Byzantium!"
Just as the Roman Empire, centered in . . . wait for it . . . the city of Rome, was named after it, so can the Eastern, and eventually sole, capital of the Empire be named after it.
Your comment ignores the Western creation of a "Holy Roman Empire." This was, of course, a political move made to de-legitimize the Byzantine Empire. Interestingly, the headquarters of the Holy Roman Empire was never in Rome.
Anyone who doesn't recognize that the Byzantine Empire was Roman is, of course, wrong.
So, you go ahead & bang you head against the hundreds of writings of scholars who revered the name, "Byzantine Empire." Let me know when you get out of the hospital.
@@polemius01 byzantine was and name for the region in witch Constantinople was built. calling Easter roman empire byzantine, is same as calling Germany, Brandenburg empire.
actually "byzantines" called themselves just romans without eastern and other additives, but today it's ok to call them Easter romans as it lets us differentiate them from Latin speaking classical roman empire.
Where did you learn your history; from cartoon network?
Hagia Sophia WILL ALWAYS be a Orthodox Cathedral no matter what
Yes its true.
The mosque conversion thing is about politics. To gain symphaty and votes.
Yes yes ask to orhan pamuk. why am i not surprised about the interview its a joke 😂
Millions dont agree ? He is talking like noone want this in Turkey and it happened that way which is false
He saying that this decision is a populist way, so He didn't say no one want this.
@@alihanaltin the way of showing it exactly like that
He precisely says at 6:13 that he knows it's unfortunately a popular decision in Turkey.
He's aware millions of Turkish people are applauding this, that's not his point.
Didn't you understand that part?
All I’m saying why is it okay to convert a building into a mosque but not a mosques into another function i.e. a church?
Look at Greece with what's left from the ottomans my naive Indian neighbour
motoman 0786 uhm I’m actually South African and I’m not naive. And please don’t insult my intelligence, its bot cool.
Jesus is not The son of GOD oh okay... that’s interesting. Here in South Africa you’re not allowed to build where a mosque may have stood or use it for any other purposes even if it were abandoned
The difference is that we are not converting a Mosque into church. WE WOULD NEVER. we turn mosques into cafeterias in Thessaloniki 😌😌😌😎😎😎😎
@@shiveerramphal1802 we don't need ur opinion
Beautiful Roman architecture where Roman history meets Ottoman history
Decades he was giving out Ataturk and his work nowdays he try to get his benefits from politics.
In Turkey we call him "Dansoz "
Eng meaning , can not be trusted and he would change his word 180 degrees.
Interesting. We never mentioned to our tour guide last year, about Ataturk's doing during his time, as it would seem rather a sensitive piece of history to bring up. We saw Ataturk pictures were everywhere, so we thought he was adored by most Turks. Anyways, wishing Turks well! From a 🇲🇾 Malay.
@@joeessig3550 erdogan?
Who is he?
@@nikezri92 an anti-Islam despot, a slave of the west he was.
@@onurbingol6498 erdoğan president of turkey
@@arolemaprarath6615 stfu hindu!
Even khaliph Umar (most hard liner among four) denounced prayer offer by priests of Jerusalem. He understood that his ediot successors would convert that into mosque.
“After three days of obligatory sacking, Mehmed began consolidating and embellishing his new capital. Justinian’s cathedral of Hagia Sophia was converted into an imperial mosque, as eventually were numerous other churches and monasteries.”
By all accounts it is the busiest mosque in Istanbul currently.
Atheism is spreading BECAUSE of Erdogan....
Imagine no religion...it isn't hard to do. Anyway, they can do what they want as it is theirs now.
Exactly. Why be upset about what they did in their country? Just don’t worry about it.
It's not theirs, it's a world heritage site.
Imagine if Greece wanted to paint the Parthenon blue, it's theirs they can do whatever they want with it right?
Nope they can't, it's a cultural monument that belongs to the whole world.
its refreshing to see someone in this comment section full of uncivil debates that is just saying let them be
Painful decision
TINU KURIAKOSE not even remotely painful as the way 4th crusaders converted it into a Catholic cathedral.
@@zabeastakhmedovic4881 Catholicsm and Islam expanded in the same bloodshed or Conversion through Sword
Hinduvta go and worship your cow this is not your business
@@musliman8886 Which Hindu is here dude? Maybe your forefathers who converted from Hindu to Pislamists
I didn't know who this nobel price winner was before this interview but I'm going to look for his literary work right now.
The man has fire 🔥!
Such an eloquent and intelligent defence.
Shame on you
Wow, what a reporting!!!
I would say to Pamuk, if he thinks the EU is really secular he needs to think twice, secularism is segragation of religion and state and not forceful implementation of godlessness that Kemal was upto. And the mosque of Cordoba, no muslin can even do a personal prayer which I believe is a fundamental universal human right, what are you talking about???
Kemal inspiration was France that gives "freedom FROM religion" as opposed to the anglo-saxon segregationist "freedom OF religion"?
Cordoba isn't a mosque.
@@BlitzOfTheReich also,happy to see you here.
@@BlitzOfTheReich Hagia Sophia isn't a church
Mohammed Shahid Amin Hagia Sophia was a church. Cordoba was also originally a church. Regardless I’m not advocating it becoming a church.
What Mustapha Kemal did by turning the Aya Sofia into a museum was illegal according to his powers at the time.
he was gay
he did a lot of things that were illegal and also immoral like banning some symbols of faith like scarfs for women
@@mbarkbiba the best decision ever. The religion which sees woman inferior like a crop field like something to be sold and bought. He should have banned the religion entirely but it is a virus that you cannot get rid of.
@@jimroth6681 hey Jim your wrong , I would like to change your opinion but since your so smart show me a verse in the quran or the Hadith that says that woman are inferior to men & I would renounce Islam right now
@@mbarkbiba An-Nisa, 34: As for women of whom you fear rebellion, convince them, and leave them apart in beds, and beat them. Then, if they obey you, do not seek a way against them. Surely, Allah is the Highest, the Greatest.
Why not the opposite situation mentioned for example?
2:223 Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like
4:11 The share of the male shall be twice that of a female
There is no verse or insignificant number in quran speaks so a woman. It is always man. If it is
Also outside of Quran
Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally
known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A'La
Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur'an, vol. 1, p. 165
I heard the Prophet saying. 'Evil omen is in three things: The horse, the woman and the house
Bukhari
Welcome to the atheism my friend or start with deism it is easier.
Ayasofya is a Mosque Elhamdülillah
Agia Sophia is a church, much before Islam was founded, and 1000 years before Turks occupied Byzantine and Balkan countries. This is a sad day for Turkey and free minded world.
@@pointgreece4331 not occupied! Constantinopel is Conquard and Payd with Blood! The Ayasofya is buyed with Gold from the Orhodox Priests from the Ayasofya. This is the Truth read the History
@Nathan S İ think u have a Brain.
The Mulims think its a mosque thats enough, we can use the Ayasofya! You can think what you want
What if someone decide one day to turn Blue mosque into Budist temple or into church, or Al Aqsa into Sinagogue? Or to use material from thousands of mosques to build churches or budist temples? How would you feel about it?
@@pointgreece4331 Ayasofya its a mosque since 1453 the last years it was a museum. İt was turnd from a museum in a mosque. Where is the problem????? İn greek 1000s of historical mosques turns into bars cafes ond other thinks!
Allah said: the sole purpose of our creation is to worship Allah alone. Qur'an Surah 51 verse 56.
Yes, this is how useless you are.
Hristiyan Hristov So is worshiping your creator you being useless? Don’t you think you are the ones with no purpose, do we come and go for no reason? Did we just appear?
Can this be anymore biased?
Better Me History can’t be rewritten, it was it is and it will be Greek. Pray in a church u mongols
Im turkish and this totally is not biased
Sorry you don't cut it.