I think a lot of people forget that rap/mcs are modern poets. If your not writing your lines then what are you, your not expressing yourself your just expressing others and that just aint it.
As a lifelong Shakespeare freak and a rap lover, I can say that Shakespeare would 100% be battle rapping right now, and we're still using his phrases 400 years later. Rap is real.
I’m not a hiphop guy but with of everything I’ve seen so far, people seems to let Drake get away with a lot of things that other rappers would never get away with.
Kendrick was asking for friendly competition on both his Control and Like That verses. He wanted to elevate every one and challenge artists to be better. He wasn't trying to say he was most popular, famous, or wealthy. He just wanted the music to be better and Drake took that personally.
he didn’t understand the cultural “cues”…his lack of CULTURAL LITERACY that’s UNIQUELY attached to Descendants of FBA (Foundational Black American) led to 10 years of snick disses culminating in this battle… that lack of understanding & awareness leads to lyrics that are TONE DEAF & WIDELY OFFENSIVE because they come from someone who doesn’t possess the appropriate cultural nuances or references… his blackness is merely PERFORMATIVE… as In MINSTREL.😏🌸✌🏽
@@notnow_stopitagain5800 I mean, that is the detailed analysis of what happened. But I was thinking of the long term hopes that Kendrick had. Because of the dominance and appropriation perpetrated by his counterpart, the quality of music has suffered. Instead of working on his own talent and original sound and creating something new, he just morphed into the next up and coming style.
Drake went the messy angle with the competition because he's an actor and he was scared the public will see through him. So, he played the Internet social media games by making the rap about tea and gossip, instead of actual rap skills. Drake's ghost writers are the ones he's really in a battle with😂. They keep exposing him to Everyone
The Weeknd literally told us Drake basically swiped about half of what ended up in Take Care from him. That's why Kendrick is saying he doesn't have classics. Because those records were not all written by him.
I have to say it seems to me that this Kendrick fellow is the artist and this Drake fellow is an Entertainer. Both talented at what they do I suppose, but there is a difference.
@@JPK169 Drake is not hip hop. He's a product just like Britney Spears and Whitney Houston. He's a pop artist that has rap songs written for him. He's given the flow and cadence. Drake is a product. A rapper hip hop artist writes their poems.
Kendrick said he had a 2 year writers block.. So you’re telling me someone that talented has to take 2 years off making music because they are respecting the game and I’m suppose to treat the coloniser with the same respect. Oh hell naw
@@hmm6415Bro Kendrick literally said he had writers block before Mr Moral and Swiss beats son helped him overcome it. All he had to do was google it before saying bs
The problem with Mob Ties is that it isn't just a 'reference' track. The song was made and tailored specifically for Drake by Vory as a Kanye diss track. TH-camr "Whats the dirt" did a in depth look into the history of the origin of Mob Ties and the beef between Drake and Kanye. So you got a self proclaimed #1 rapper of all time (Drake), paying another rapper to write a diss track for him.
Listening to you made me realize that maybe these "reference tracks" weren't accidently leaked online. The original songwriters deliberately leaked their songs to show the world, "Hey look, y'all...that nuggah really don't write his own sht! In fact, he straight up stole our songs!"
As an old head the rules were established when i was a kid in the 80s....its either you can rap or you can't in started in the lunchroom and it was established in the park in your neighborhood.
I am tired of these grown men making excuses for Drake. Drake claimed to be the top MC to the point where he went after Kendrick Lamar knowing very well that other people write his raps. Drake claims to be a fan of hip hop and battle rap; if you dont write your rhymes then you should NEVER call yourself the greatest MC. He brought into the character he's playing to the point of delusion which is why he got embarrassed.
He & they need to take their embarrassed goofy ahh on & stop rotating my same songs around for their puppets to steal & harassing me every single day like they just can’t move on with their delusional ass lives. Enough is enough they are so fucking weird & irritating asf.
I’m concerned that people like those guys who don’t care about the authenticity of rap have access to a podcast where they can reach hundreds of thousands of people. Because of people like them, rap could eventually die out. If they don’t care about authenticity why even talk about it. I’m not going to publicly give my opinion on artists & paintings if I don’t even care whether or not they’re authentic or someone just made a copy of the original and called it their own.
But its ALWAYS been this way. Even podcasts are about money not facts! DJ AK was one of the 1st ppl to say Drake used ghostwriters and look at him now. Integrity aint paying those bills. Kendrick is asking us.....why are we supporting this? You are being hypnotized by social media and industry influencers. Go back to 90's rap, go reference the previous rap beefs....not from a creator. But LISTEN. You dont need a pocaster to tell you about authencity, you just gotta take the time to listen to the product.
And the "references tracks" sound better than the.....well, it ain't the original, so let's just call it the cover. I've been saying this cornball has more in common with Taylor Swift than Tupac and that Lil Dicky is more hip hop than Drake. (because he's honest about his life, and he writes his own ish) SO glad people are finally seeing it.
Taylor Swift at least writes all her own lyrics, except for feature verses. And all her shit is credited to down to individual instrumentalist. Drake is like the Elvis of hip hop
I’ve heard for years that Drake has ghost writers. To someone like me, that has always loved to write, it’s not authentic. I’m nobody, but I’ve turned down songs, that were pitched to me by my producer. I just can’t be spitting someone else’s words. I didn’t write that, it’s not mine. I’ll drop every 4 years before I take another artist’s bars.
Once your pen is in question as a rapper, you can’t be remotely considered to be in the elite lyricist conversation. That goes for all people rapping who have such a ghost writer issues. If you have ghost writers, stop calling yourself a lyricist.
I agree with you 100%. One thing I'd like to add is that the 2 Drizzlers on the Joe Budden Podcast both said Drake can rap when he wants to because he's done it in the past. But I feel like that's a very weak argument because now I'm questioning everything he's ever done. I don't know how long Drake's had ghostwriters for. The seed of doubt is already planted so I have to look at his past works with some doubt now.
I can respect an artist that says he has writers and can deliver quality music. Look at eazy e "ice cube writes rhymes that I say". I don't look down at eazy at all after hearing him say that in a record. Then again, he never said he was the best rapper in the world either.
@@wicked96ta That’s exactly the problem with Drake, and even Lil Wayne to some degree. How many of your hits are written by another artist? The moment I need to ask that question you’ve eliminated yourself from the elite emcee conversation. My take on Wayne is based more on his early career, but I believe Drake picked up this way of working from his association with Wayne/Birdman.
What everybody seems to be overlooking is that Drake was an industry plant from the beginning. He was a manufactured star from day one. Drake had notebooks full of lyrics when he was young, I saw the interview, but I don't know if he ever used those lyrics in song. He always did music before he came to America. His father was a musician, but not as well known as his brother, Drake's uncle Larry Graham. It's weird to me that you could have an uncle who is famous and never mentioned his name. This young generation don't know who Larry Graham is, but their parents and grandparents would know him. Larry Graham played for Sly and the family Stone, Graham Central Station, wrote and produced and had a big hit in 1980, called One in a Million. Do you think that they really did ask Unc, for an introduction into the American music industry?! I promise you, it would have taken one phone call. It probably went a little some like this, hey my nephew Drake is from Canada, he sings and raps, plus he has his own fan base from being on the show Degrassi, what can you do for him? When they took one look at Drake and listen to his voice, then the Hollywood machine took over. They told Drake what to sing what to rap, and how to dress, we will probably never know what his original raps sounded like, because he was manufactured from the beginning. A few years ago, Drake started doing this gangster rap stuff, but we all know he grew up in a white Jewish community and knows nothing about that lifestyle. Drake was going through a mid life crisis and still is, he is 2 years from 40 and fears being irrelevant, so he steals songs from young artists to keep himself on top. Real hip hop artists write their own raps and have signature flows. Drake's flow is all over the place because he has so many different writers. I believe he is not giving all those writers their proper credit, or proper pay, that is why everything is being leaked. Always remember, he was an industry plant from the beginning, he is not like us.
The irony is that there is a Larry Graham interview where he said he never met him. He implied that Drake’s father is a half sibling and he has heard about his supposed nephew but never met him😂
@shadeallday3943 Larry and Dennis are half brothers, but Larry doesn't have to meet Drake to make a phone call, to help him out. I can see them staying quiet about it, so Drake doesn't look like an industry plant. Glorilla can rap her ass off, but she had her foot in the door, because Cardi B just admitted that they are first cousins. Glorilla's father is Cardi's uncle. Now Cardi is in Glorilla 's videos. Glorilla started rapping in the 2019, and when her cousin saw she was serious, she jumped on a couple songs with Glorilla. Now, 5 years later Cardi tells us that's her little cousin.
As a producer myself I can tell you that just because there's no reference tracks leaked for a song doesn't mean that there was no Ghostwriter. If the writer was in the studio with Drake at the time of the recording you actually don't need a reference with the writer right there in the studio. I could write a song and Drake could just read from it from a screen right above the mic. None of the diss tracks that he put out are Drake's writing style, including Duppy freestyle and Back 2 Back.
As a member of the NY delegation, we fully support and approve this pettiness and support our brothers and sisters on the West coast. You make us so proud 🫡❤
Ngl, back in the day when i first heard drake on forever and good girls gone bad i though drake was gunna be the mainstream dude with bars. Then he never did anything i liked ever again 🥴 now i cant even trust he wrote the two verses i liked!
This is the best conversation and breakdown of Kendrick's destruction of drake I've heard. Job well done! On a side note, Drake is the rap version of Millie Vinillie. Drake is the best karaoke rapper of all time.
I hate that hip-hop culture was ever commercialized. It has become so diluted. I honestly blame Puffy (or whatever he’s calling himself these days) for this. I knew when 🥷🏾 started wearing shiny suits, it was a wrap. It took a little while to see the full effects but we’re here now 😫
Chris Brown said it perfectly! He said he writes his own raps, nobody can write his raps. When asked the difference between singing & rapping somebody else’s song, it was so simple: he said “nobody can sing it like me! But the raps are personal!”
You have a perspective that I wish was on the JBP. Joe is really the only one that calls things into question. You’re making such good points. I know you wouldn’t let those other guys get away with some of things they’re saying.
Remember when Jay-Z dropped Magna Carter Holy Grail where the concept of the album was he was the Art Form and Drake was hating on it calling it corny i was done with him then like how dare you disrespect the Art of Hip Hop he was never about the Art Form
I don’t really recall hearing PAC, Big, DMX, Hov and Nas always saying that they’re the best(outside of the Nas and Jay Beef). Because the old saying goes, “you don’t have to announce what speaks for itself”. Usually a person saying “im this” is usually not!
There are rules to things like American Traditional tattoos or Japanese tattoos. You HAVE to abide by bc once you don't, what you made is NO LONGER American tradition or Japanese. The same way tattoo artist gatekeep these styles of tats is the same way HIPHOP should continue to gate keep as well.
Rapper - Drake had no business doing a battle! Hip hop - Drake shouldn't do Anything without D.J / Graffiti/original beats/ original Lyrics /Bars ! Ask KRS1
Context matters. I think Mob Ties was one of Drake's first songs out after the him and Push beef. He had something to prove. He don't get to "he's a pop star and they have witters" his way out of the fact that Mob Ties was written by someone else and that ABSOLUTELY effects how he should be seen. He should not be in the greatest conversation anymore.
Finally people are starting to realise Drake should not be in the big 3 conversation!!! He has no pen, his poetry book that came out was a dead giveaway 😵😑 I’m looking at JCole sideways for even suggesting Drake was 😒 did he do it for the bag?
as a Weezy fan i only liked and gave Drake the benefit of the doubt because YMCMB was lit and nothing was the same...but he was always more competing with Chris Brown than J Cole and Kendrick if we being honest and since views it was suppose to be seen that way... he not a rapper like that... he not gonna freestyle ever unless you give him a month to remember the bars
Back in the day when I used to spit there was this dude that owned a studio (rich kid) he used to let us use the studio for free until we stopped trusting him when he asked to buy our songs for 500 a pop. We said hell nah!
@@CCEx6ix 500 is too low for any song. Min Wage pays better. That guy is gonna take those songs and flip it for at least 20k each to someone he is connected to. The studio is his trap to pull in the artists get them to work and buy the work from them for cheap. Nothing is free 🤣
@GrandT343 I didn't even ask you the question but you talking shit! An unknown up and coming artist should never sell a song for $500? If my $500 song blows up then I get to charge more the next. ....
@@CCEx6ix if you sell the song for 500, someone else sings, someone else takes credit for writing it, and it blows up, who will know you wrote it other than a small group of people who were there when you sold it. Plus they probably will only use parts of your song and not the entire song. Thats a very low percentage shot to be honest. If you want to be a respected writer, what that guy was offering isn't the way. Do the work , connect yourself to others doing the work, like some indy producers and others working with independent labels, like top dawg back in the day.Then work your way into the industry by partnering with some of these guys so that at least you get credit for your work. Better that, than giving the work away cheap and playing 'what if someone else does the work for me'.
Perfectly defined Curtiss… there’s never been a hip hop artist that produced as much music and stayed popular for as long as he has due to simple fact that he’s not creating his own art, which actually takes time…he’s been fed songs, fed lyrics, jumped on younger artists tracks to stay relevant and fooled most of the world. I knew it was something I ain’t like about the way he was moving a long time ago, call me a hater but I gotta call it how I see it
A reference track is for exactly what it's name...a reference!!! It's no longer a reference track when it's repeated word for word, the entire flow, and a few added melodic adlibs which makes it a cover at that point!!!
I turned 49 this year and I have to say I agree with your view of Hip-Hop. I taught my children the same views concerning Hip-Hop, so imagine our conversations with each other and other people concerning this public in the town square ass whoopin' Drake got. When asked by some younger folks (and some younger Family members) who I thought would win the question was almost laughable to me, I was like there is no competition here. However I loved the opening the question gave me to inform those who didn't know the differences between what they've been listening to and it being called Hip-Hop and true Hip-Hop. I want to be clear about something, I'm not a Hip-Hop head or nothing like that but I know enough to know what is and definitely isn't Hip-Hop or a proper MC. I found your Channel through this "Public Square Chastisement" and I like what you do🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️
The Westbrook analogy was spot on. The Hip-Hop example I could see of that happening to is Lil Wayne. Once he got burned out you heard his ability diminish.
They always use that excuse hes a pop star. Well if thats the case why does drake keep saying hes the best Rapper. He needs to say hes the best Rapper possessed by ghosts.
And they talk about why he did the scary hours 3 but the question is how did u even know he write that after everything thing (kendrick said: "am I battling ghost or AI" and Aubrey uses both of them 😂😂😂)
Drake has his mother’s mind obviously. His father was complicit with Drake acting like he was an absentee father to sell records and seem to fit in. Drake has mimicked and played a roll ONLY. He has lived none of the life he raps about. He is disrespectful to those who really went through hell. SMH. Goodbye Aubrey.
It's nice that he's being called out now, but its a bit sad that everyone in media just let it slide for all these years, lowering the bar for what's acceptable in hip-hop. Now they all want to have something to say because Its safe and the tide has finally turned against drake? If Kendrick didn't take this battle drake would probably still be calling himself top five and nobody saying anything about needing to write your own lyrics.
I am team Kendrick. Kendrick won. In Hip Hop you can’t claim to be the GOAT if you use writers especially in a battle BUT there’s always been ghostwriters/songwriters in Hip Hop LL Cool J wrote a song for RUN DMC Big Daddy Kane wrote for Biz Markie Apache wrote U.Ni.T.Y for Queen Latifah Jay Z wrote some songs for Foxy Brown LL Cool J helped MC Lyte on her verse on “self-destruction” Mase wrote a verse for Biggie (“Only you” remix with 112) There are more above examples that will shock people I think for me the problem is giving credit to writers and rappers just being honest about all of it. A lot more credit should be given for a rapper’s delivery, mic presence, voice, vocal tone , clarity, charisma and ability to bring a verse to life whether they wrote it or not. It really is like a singer who can deliver a song better than the original songwriter a lot of times! More credit SHOULD be given to rappers/emcees that write their own verses as well as deliver them amazingly though. That should never be questioned. Only artists that consistently do it all amazingly can claim to be the GOAT!
Look drake is a hell of a performer , but a rapper ? No. Rappers spit, they write , they share their own experiences ,none of that is drake. But he’s a good performer .
Stuff like this is slowly driving me bonkers! But not in the way you may think! At the start of Drakes version he says "Hire some help (Help), get rid of these niggas (Skrr)" He is flat out saying he doesn't put in hard work for himself other people do it for him! Subliminally confessing his guilty feelings to everyone! Everyone has always known Drake is an actor. And what do actors do? They take words someone else wrote. They memorize them recite the lines and then make the audience believe that is their own personality thoughts and feelings! So tell me why would he have a problem doing the exact same thing over a instrumental? It's not that hard to succeed in life while doing the bare minimum of work if you're intelligent ruthless and morally bankrupt with no honor.
They should give ghost writers awards.
i wholeheartedly agree
wouldn't be ghost no more
they already have writing awards
I think a lot of people forget that rap/mcs are modern poets. If your not writing your lines then what are you, your not expressing yourself your just expressing others and that just aint it.
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Most are not poets. They just talking or Harmonizing for a group of people.
Thank you!!
Song lyrics are poetry (well, they can be poetry).
As a lifelong Shakespeare freak and a rap lover, I can say that Shakespeare would 100% be battle rapping right now, and we're still using his phrases 400 years later. Rap is real.
I’m not a hiphop guy but with of everything I’ve seen so far, people seems to let Drake get away with a lot of things that other rappers would never get away with.
This is just plain facts.
Nicki & Drake are both 2 corny hating ass weirdos
Kendrick was asking for friendly competition on both his Control and Like That verses. He wanted to elevate every one and challenge artists to be better. He wasn't trying to say he was most popular, famous, or wealthy. He just wanted the music to be better and Drake took that personally.
he didn’t understand the cultural “cues”…his lack of CULTURAL LITERACY that’s UNIQUELY attached to Descendants of FBA (Foundational Black American) led to 10 years of snick disses culminating in this battle…
that lack of understanding & awareness leads to lyrics that are TONE DEAF & WIDELY OFFENSIVE because they come from someone who doesn’t possess the appropriate cultural nuances or references…
his blackness is merely PERFORMATIVE…
as In MINSTREL.😏🌸✌🏽
@@notnow_stopitagain5800 I mean, that is the detailed analysis of what happened. But I was thinking of the long term hopes that Kendrick had. Because of the dominance and appropriation perpetrated by his counterpart, the quality of music has suffered. Instead of working on his own talent and original sound and creating something new, he just morphed into the next up and coming style.
@@notnow_stopitagain5800 FACTS! People fail to realize; DRAKE IS NOT BLACK. He just has an African American FATHER!!!
Drake went the messy angle with the competition because he's an actor and he was scared the public will see through him. So, he played the Internet social media games by making the rap about tea and gossip, instead of actual rap skills. Drake's ghost writers are the ones he's really in a battle with😂. They keep exposing him to Everyone
Because he’s an actor playing the role of a rapper.
His greatest act 😂
Bro like lowkey he might be playing one of the greatest role ever played by someone 😂
This comment right here🫡
I've been saying this for 15 years, since I initially found out he played on that Nickelodeon show, "Degrassi".
He’s a acting rapper…a “Raptor” if you will lol shout out Toronto.
The Weeknd literally told us Drake basically swiped about half of what ended up in Take Care from him. That's why Kendrick is saying he doesn't have classics. Because those records were not all written by him.
classic album or classic songs
@@misanthr0pic you can't have a classic album if the songs, individually, are not classic sooo it's both
@@neekotheconvict2513 we talking songs individually vs as a whole project. he has no classics?
Too many people don’t know the difference between Hiphop and Rap. 🙌🏽 appreciate you
Kendrick is the better/greater rapper/hiphop artist & drake is the bigger artist
Very good point.
I have to say it seems to me that this Kendrick fellow is the artist and this Drake fellow is an Entertainer. Both talented at what they do I suppose, but there is a difference.
Or hip hop culture vs hip hop industry
@@JPK169 Drake is not hip hop. He's a product just like Britney Spears and Whitney Houston. He's a pop artist that has rap songs written for him. He's given the flow and cadence. Drake is a product. A rapper hip hop artist writes their poems.
Kendrick said he had a 2 year writers block.. So you’re telling me someone that talented has to take 2 years off making music because they are respecting the game and I’m suppose to treat the coloniser with the same respect. Oh hell naw
He did not call it writers block he said he was going thru something. There’s a difference
@@Buttercremezpeople have writer’s block when they are going thru something whether they are aware of it or not.
@@hmm6415Bro Kendrick literally said he had writers block before Mr Moral and Swiss beats son helped him overcome it. All he had to do was google it before saying bs
@@Buttercremez he did say in Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers he had writers block and he was going thru something
@@abm2067FACTS
The problem with Mob Ties is that it isn't just a 'reference' track. The song was made and tailored specifically for Drake by Vory as a Kanye diss track. TH-camr "Whats the dirt" did a in depth look into the history of the origin of Mob Ties and the beef between Drake and Kanye. So you got a self proclaimed #1 rapper of all time (Drake), paying another rapper to write a diss track for him.
Well damn.
Boom! This.
I wanna know who wrote Headlines and Back to Back.
@@donnellm346 KDot homie Daylyt ghostwrote that. Look it up bruh. KDot mentioned it on "Not Like Us".
@@donnellm346 Daylyt wrote back to back
Well its nice it's officially confirmed Drake is our generation's Elvis.
I'm taking bets on if he dies on the toilet like the previous one.
I wouldn't mind if drake didn't write a single thing as long as he didn't beat his chest saying I'm the best.
Him or his fans saying it
This
@@dueceiswi7dFirst name Greatest, Last name Ever. Yes, he claims it.
@@AriesGirl7719 I kno he does. He nor his fans should doh
@@dueceiswi7d Agreed!
Listening to you made me realize that maybe these "reference tracks" weren't accidently leaked online. The original songwriters deliberately leaked their songs to show the world, "Hey look, y'all...that nuggah really don't write his own sht! In fact, he straight up stole our songs!"
Drake pulling a JLO and both of them need to be called to the carpet
What is the thing with JLO?
@@paquinraino8180She's also a fraud and thief. Put it in the search bar.
Jlo isn’t a rapper, what are you talking about??
@@paquinraino8180 she had ghost singers and started believing her own hype
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As an old head the rules were established when i was a kid in the 80s....its either you can rap or you can't in started in the lunchroom and it was established in the park in your neighborhood.
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I am tired of these grown men making excuses for Drake. Drake claimed to be the top MC to the point where he went after Kendrick Lamar knowing very well that other people write his raps. Drake claims to be a fan of hip hop and battle rap; if you dont write your rhymes then you should NEVER call yourself the greatest MC. He brought into the character he's playing to the point of delusion which is why he got embarrassed.
@@riss3690 when did drake say “I’m the greatest MC or even hip hop”? can you send me the link?
He & they need to take their embarrassed goofy ahh on & stop rotating my same songs around for their puppets to steal & harassing me every single day like they just can’t move on with their delusional ass lives. Enough is enough they are so fucking weird & irritating asf.
I’m concerned that people like those guys who don’t care about the authenticity of rap have access to a podcast where they can reach hundreds of thousands of people. Because of people like them, rap could eventually die out. If they don’t care about authenticity why even talk about it. I’m not going to publicly give my opinion on artists & paintings if I don’t even care whether or not they’re authentic or someone just made a copy of the original and called it their own.
But its ALWAYS been this way.
Even podcasts are about money not facts!
DJ AK was one of the 1st ppl to say Drake used ghostwriters and look at him now. Integrity aint paying those bills.
Kendrick is asking us.....why are we supporting this? You are being hypnotized by social media and industry influencers.
Go back to 90's rap, go reference the previous rap beefs....not from a creator. But LISTEN.
You dont need a pocaster to tell you about authencity, you just gotta take the time to listen to the product.
Y'all out here speaking a word!
And the "references tracks" sound better than the.....well, it ain't the original, so let's just call it the cover.
I've been saying this cornball has more in common with Taylor Swift than Tupac and that Lil Dicky is more hip hop than Drake. (because he's honest about his life, and he writes his own ish) SO glad people are finally seeing it.
Taylor writes her music and plays an instrument so she tops him hee more a jlo ijs
Taylor Swift at least writes all her own lyrics, except for feature verses. And all her shit is credited to down to individual instrumentalist. Drake is like the Elvis of hip hop
I’ve heard for years that Drake has ghost writers. To someone like me, that has always loved to write, it’s not authentic.
I’m nobody, but I’ve turned down songs, that were pitched to me by my producer. I just can’t be spitting someone else’s words. I didn’t write that, it’s not mine.
I’ll drop every 4 years before I take another artist’s bars.
Aubrey is an actor, he landed the role of a fictitious rapper named Drake, and he's been in character ever since.
That F.A.N. soundbite killed me😂
😭 my bad. Oops
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@@CurtissKingTV nah nah don't apologize for pure comedic genius gold 🤣🤣
Once your pen is in question as a rapper, you can’t be remotely considered to be in the elite lyricist conversation. That goes for all people rapping who have such a ghost writer issues. If you have ghost writers, stop calling yourself a lyricist.
I agree with you 100%. One thing I'd like to add is that the 2 Drizzlers on the Joe Budden Podcast both said Drake can rap when he wants to because he's done it in the past. But I feel like that's a very weak argument because now I'm questioning everything he's ever done. I don't know how long Drake's had ghostwriters for. The seed of doubt is already planted so I have to look at his past works with some doubt now.
I can respect an artist that says he has writers and can deliver quality music. Look at eazy e "ice cube writes rhymes that I say". I don't look down at eazy at all after hearing him say that in a record. Then again, he never said he was the best rapper in the world either.
@@wicked96ta That’s exactly the problem with Drake, and even Lil Wayne to some degree. How many of your hits are written by another artist? The moment I need to ask that question you’ve eliminated yourself from the elite emcee conversation.
My take on Wayne is based more on his early career, but I believe Drake picked up this way of working from his association with Wayne/Birdman.
What everybody seems to be overlooking is that Drake was an industry plant from the beginning. He was a manufactured star from day one. Drake had notebooks full of lyrics when he was young, I saw the interview, but I don't know if he ever used those lyrics in song. He always did music before he came to America. His father was a musician, but not as well known as his brother, Drake's uncle Larry Graham. It's weird to me that you could have an uncle who is famous and never mentioned his name. This young generation don't know who Larry Graham is, but their parents and grandparents would know him. Larry Graham played for Sly and the family Stone, Graham Central Station, wrote and produced and had a big hit in 1980, called One in a Million. Do you think that they really did ask Unc, for an introduction into the American music industry?! I promise you, it would have taken one phone call. It probably went a little some like this, hey my nephew Drake is from Canada, he sings and raps, plus he has his own fan base from being on the show Degrassi, what can you do for him? When they took one look at Drake and listen to his voice, then the Hollywood machine took over. They told Drake what to sing what to rap, and how to dress, we will probably never know what his original raps sounded like, because he was manufactured from the beginning. A few years ago, Drake started doing this gangster rap stuff, but we all know he grew up in a white Jewish community and knows nothing about that lifestyle. Drake was going through a mid life crisis and still is, he is 2 years from 40 and fears being irrelevant, so he steals songs from young artists to keep himself on top. Real hip hop artists write their own raps and have signature flows. Drake's flow is all over the place because he has so many different writers. I believe he is not giving all those writers their proper credit, or proper pay, that is why everything is being leaked. Always remember, he was an industry plant from the beginning, he is not like us.
The irony is that there is a Larry Graham interview where he said he never met him. He implied that Drake’s father is a half sibling and he has heard about his supposed nephew but never met him😂
@shadeallday3943 Larry and Dennis are half brothers, but Larry doesn't have to meet Drake to make a phone call, to help him out. I can see them staying quiet about it, so Drake doesn't look like an industry plant. Glorilla can rap her ass off, but she had her foot in the door, because Cardi B just admitted that they are first cousins. Glorilla's father is Cardi's uncle. Now Cardi is in Glorilla 's videos. Glorilla started rapping in the 2019, and when her cousin saw she was serious, she jumped on a couple songs with Glorilla. Now, 5 years later Cardi tells us that's her little cousin.
Good pen exercise for his GHOST WRITERS
The Heart Part 6 was so bad I believe Drake actually wrote that one. I doubt the other ones though.
Drake is Tsang Sung from Mortal Kombat "your song is mines"
Vile! 😂 I love it
As a producer myself I can tell you that just because there's no reference tracks leaked for a song doesn't mean that there was no Ghostwriter. If the writer was in the studio with Drake at the time of the recording you actually don't need a reference with the writer right there in the studio. I could write a song and Drake could just read from it from a screen right above the mic.
None of the diss tracks that he put out are Drake's writing style, including Duppy freestyle and Back 2 Back.
😂😂😂 bro the buttons in the beginning “i’ll try not to do that again” why are us californians so petty
This also got me too 😂😂😂
😭😭😭😭 West Coast
We members of the dirty south delegation can def confirm the West Coast pettiness level consistently stay on 10 😅
Becauuuseeee 😎
As a member of the NY delegation, we fully support and approve this pettiness and support our brothers and sisters on the West coast.
You make us so proud 🫡❤
Chris Brown said da same thing. Check his interview out, he literally said wen it comes to rap u gotta bring ur pen game
Kendrick vs Drake was basically Art and creators of Art vs Corporate produced product.
Ngl, back in the day when i first heard drake on forever and good girls gone bad i though drake was gunna be the mainstream dude with bars. Then he never did anything i liked ever again 🥴 now i cant even trust he wrote the two verses i liked!
@jepalme 🤣
This is the best conversation and breakdown of Kendrick's destruction of drake I've heard. Job well done!
On a side note, Drake is the rap version of Millie Vinillie. Drake is the best karaoke rapper of all time.
I hate that hip-hop culture was ever commercialized. It has become so diluted. I honestly blame Puffy (or whatever he’s calling himself these days) for this. I knew when 🥷🏾 started wearing shiny suits, it was a wrap. It took a little while to see the full effects but we’re here now 😫
Chris Brown said it perfectly! He said he writes his own raps, nobody can write his raps. When asked the difference between singing & rapping somebody else’s song, it was so simple: he said “nobody can sing it like me! But the raps are personal!”
Love how they constantly move the goalposts for Aubrey😂😂😂
Very great video! Tired of the excuses for that guy. He needs to just be a pop star. Real mcs know
BRO SAID OVO SWEATSHOP LOL 😂
That’s what it’s been called.
THE SERVER GETTING CREDIT AS THE CHEF 😢 NO BUENO😮
Oh so you cooked?
You have the best hiphop channel thank you for the work you do. We must OWN our culture.
You have a perspective that I wish was on the JBP. Joe is really the only one that calls things into question. You’re making such good points. I know you wouldn’t let those other guys get away with some of things they’re saying.
17:07 “they use rap as the medium to get to where they want to" facts and way profound!
He does Acting that’s what he does, he needs the scripts to act 😂 I mean to rap
5:45-5:55 is the realest shit you ever spoke
Preach
Remember when Jay-Z dropped Magna Carter Holy Grail where the concept of the album was he was the Art Form and Drake was hating on it calling it corny i was done with him then like how dare you disrespect the Art of Hip Hop he was never about the Art Form
Bro this is by far one of your funniest podcasts lol from the euphoria laugh to the Grammy speech I’m rolling 💀 😂😂😂😂
I don’t really recall hearing PAC, Big, DMX, Hov and Nas always saying that they’re the best(outside of the Nas and Jay Beef). Because the old saying goes, “you don’t have to announce what speaks for itself”. Usually a person saying “im this” is usually not!
There are rules to things like American Traditional tattoos or Japanese tattoos. You HAVE to abide by bc once you don't, what you made is NO LONGER American tradition or Japanese.
The same way tattoo artist gatekeep these styles of tats is the same way HIPHOP should continue to gate keep as well.
Damn this is another great way to view this problem with Drake and his “pen”. That man can’t be alongside those who are true poets over beats.
@@trevorhandberry2158 simple. All time talent. But too many cooks in the rapper kitchen.
This was so fkn well put fam 💯
@@CurtissKingTV been on a ink master binge with the wife. Lol
It's it the drugs? Is it the braids?
Braids too tight 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Rapper - Drake had no business doing a battle! Hip hop - Drake shouldn't do Anything without D.J / Graffiti/original beats/ original Lyrics /Bars ! Ask KRS1
No Bitting allowed it’s the one hip- hop Law first for any Mc
It was kdot vs the machine an dot won
Context matters. I think Mob Ties was one of Drake's first songs out after the him and Push beef. He had something to prove. He don't get to "he's a pop star and they have witters" his way out of the fact that Mob Ties was written by someone else and that ABSOLUTELY effects how he should be seen. He should not be in the greatest conversation anymore.
I'm cryinnnnn with the award acceptance!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The part about rappers are everything but rappers is crazy.
@curtisskingtv I thought I was alone... I'm straight addicted to the notebooks...😂 can't pass them joints up!
FAM! It’s such a real thing. Since high school
Saying Drake proved to be one of the best while the topic is about him being exposed for not making is own music is craazy. LMAO.
Your breakdown of this was masterful 🔥
Exactly pop stars are not expected to be pen masters just the image and sound
Kendrick was battling ghost writers period! Kendrick is a real MC
Finally people are starting to realise Drake should not be in the big 3 conversation!!! He has no pen, his poetry book that came out was a dead giveaway 😵😑
I’m looking at JCole sideways for even suggesting Drake was 😒 did he do it for the bag?
No biting it goes back to Beat Street that goes for your flows, your dance style and graffiti style and DJ scratches and cuts
What it do family
Alright now ❤
as a Weezy fan i only liked and gave Drake the benefit of the doubt because YMCMB was lit and nothing was the same...but he was always more competing with Chris Brown than J Cole and Kendrick if we being honest and since views it was suppose to be seen that way... he not a rapper like that... he not gonna freestyle ever unless you give him a month to remember the bars
Back in the day when I used to spit there was this dude that owned a studio (rich kid) he used to let us use the studio for free until we stopped trusting him when he asked to buy our songs for 500 a pop. We said hell nah!
How much did you end up making off those songs?
@@CCEx6ix 500 is too low for any song. Min Wage pays better. That guy is gonna take those songs and flip it for at least 20k each to someone he is connected to. The studio is his trap to pull in the artists get them to work and buy the work from them for cheap. Nothing is free 🤣
@GrandT343 I didn't even ask you the question but you talking shit! An unknown up and coming artist should never sell a song for $500? If my $500 song blows up then I get to charge more the next. ....
@@CCEx6ix if you sell the song for 500, someone else sings, someone else takes credit for writing it, and it blows up, who will know you wrote it other than a small group of people who were there when you sold it. Plus they probably will only use parts of your song and not the entire song. Thats a very low percentage shot to be honest.
If you want to be a respected writer, what that guy was offering isn't the way. Do the work , connect yourself to others doing the work, like some indy producers and others working with independent labels, like top dawg back in the day.Then work your way into the industry by partnering with some of these guys so that at least you get credit for your work. Better that, than giving the work away cheap and playing 'what if someone else does the work for me'.
@GrandT343 have you ever made any money from any song you've wrote? If so awesome, if not stfu
“I sound like a disgruntled worker cuz I’m still working.” 😂😂😂😂😂 that’s how I feel
drake fans are literally ok with their ARTIST using AI
This is what happens when you have gatekeepers like Ak and others they don't like hip hop they like the popularity hip hop brings
22:54
What the battle was about:
Drake - "I'm the best!"
Kendrick - "Mmm"
💭🎵'Sick of the Posers, Sick of the Stans, Steals from the culture, but think he the man!' - by me.😎
7:44 CURTIS KING HAS A COMEDY CAREER IN THE WINGS!!! 🤣😂🤣😅😆
21:41 “I said what I said”
Zaddies 😂😂
You saying what you said is why I subscribed
28:54 this is the what Renaissance is about
Curtiss I’m the same way I love writing rhymes I’m always buying books and pens I love creating new poetry I just in love with my craft💯💯🆙
Perfectly defined Curtiss… there’s never been a hip hop artist that produced as much music and stayed popular for as long as he has due to simple fact that he’s not creating his own art, which actually takes time…he’s been fed songs, fed lyrics, jumped on younger artists tracks to stay relevant and fooled most of the world. I knew it was something I ain’t like about the way he was moving a long time ago, call me a hater but I gotta call it how I see it
Once I found out Drakes first single, the best i ever had was written by him ,it was over
I just realized 😮 that KENDRICK is a Time Traveler… he wrote “HUMBLE” for Drake… and, only HE knew it 😉!!!
Kendrick songs hit different it's like he saw the future with bit__ don't kill my vibe
A reference track is for exactly what it's name...a reference!!! It's no longer a reference track when it's repeated word for word, the entire flow, and a few added melodic adlibs which makes it a cover at that point!!!
1:01 Nah Curtiss you wrong for this🤣🤣🤣
I didn’t know nothing about DJ Akademiks until this Kendrick and Drake beef. But from what I’ve seen he’s like the biggest groupie! Weird!!!
I turned 49 this year and I have to say I agree with your view of Hip-Hop. I taught my children the same views concerning Hip-Hop, so imagine our conversations with each other and other people concerning this public in the town square ass whoopin' Drake got. When asked by some younger folks (and some younger Family members) who I thought would win the question was almost laughable to me, I was like there is no competition here. However I loved the opening the question gave me to inform those who didn't know the differences between what they've been listening to and it being called Hip-Hop and true Hip-Hop.
I want to be clear about something, I'm not a Hip-Hop head or nothing like that but I know enough to know what is and definitely isn't Hip-Hop or a proper MC.
I found your Channel through this "Public Square Chastisement" and I like what you do🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️
Rakim Ice cube Scarface Lil Wayne Eminem Nas Krs-one k-dot tupac j-cole. This is my top 10 lyrical juggernauts.
I like your list you got 4 out of my top 5 in here. Only missing 3k
The Westbrook analogy was spot on. The Hip-Hop example I could see of that happening to is Lil Wayne. Once he got burned out you heard his ability diminish.
Drake needs to write an album on video at this point we don't trust you. He could never claim top spot as a "MC" ever
Meek should’ve taking mob ties for himself
That would never happen. Meek has a lot of pride in his pen.
They always use that excuse hes a pop star. Well if thats the case why does drake keep saying hes the best Rapper. He needs to say hes the best Rapper possessed by ghosts.
This was entertaining and educational.
Going to subscribe to your channel now and check out more of your content.😎
Thank you for acknowledging that mainstream rap was curated by corporate interest and not representative of the entirety of hip hop culture!!!
Any true rapper or lover of the culture couldve told drake that kendrick isn't the one to fk with.
Any lover of the culture would not waste their time stalking & harassing other artists to steal from them 🤷🏿♀️
Drake/Duck is that Black Face Character from Tropical Thunder.
This is why i stick to california rap only
And they talk about why he did the scary hours 3 but the question is how did u even know he write that after everything thing (kendrick said: "am I battling ghost or AI" and Aubrey uses both of them 😂😂😂)
Drake has his mother’s mind obviously. His father was complicit with Drake acting like he was an absentee father to sell records and seem to fit in. Drake has mimicked and played a roll ONLY. He has lived none of the life he raps about. He is disrespectful to those who really went through hell. SMH. Goodbye Aubrey.
Drake is an actor, not a musician. He’s been playing the role of rapper all along. Both are an art, but that’s why he’ll never get your point at 18:30
“I’m sorry but….. Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live” - KRS ONE
"I'm waiting on the homie to send it over" had me dead😂😂😂
That's like saying Michelangelo had help painting the Sistine chapel
There is a reason they call them GHOST writers, but I do believe you should acknowledge your team that help you get to where you are.
It's nice that he's being called out now, but its a bit sad that everyone in media just let it slide for all these years, lowering the bar for what's acceptable in hip-hop. Now they all want to have something to say because Its safe and the tide has finally turned against drake? If Kendrick didn't take this battle drake would probably still be calling himself top five and nobody saying anything about needing to write your own lyrics.
I’m an illustrator, and I truly can’t imagine getting other people to paint for me and then say it was mine. It wouldn’t be real.
Chirs Brown Said The Same Damm thang😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤
i freaking enjoyed this episode. Keep up the great work.
He need to open his mind and be careful before he use anything someone else’s writing
I am team Kendrick. Kendrick won. In Hip Hop you can’t claim to be the GOAT if you use writers especially in a battle BUT there’s always been ghostwriters/songwriters in Hip Hop
LL Cool J wrote a song for RUN DMC
Big Daddy Kane wrote for Biz Markie
Apache wrote U.Ni.T.Y for Queen Latifah
Jay Z wrote some songs for Foxy Brown
LL Cool J helped MC Lyte on her verse on “self-destruction”
Mase wrote a verse for Biggie (“Only you” remix with 112)
There are more above examples that will shock people
I think for me the problem is giving credit to writers and rappers just being honest about all of it.
A lot more credit should be given for a rapper’s delivery, mic presence, voice, vocal tone , clarity, charisma and ability to bring a verse to life whether they wrote it or not. It really is like a singer who can deliver a song better than the original songwriter a lot of times!
More credit SHOULD be given to rappers/emcees that write their own verses as well as deliver them amazingly though. That should never be questioned. Only artists that consistently do it all amazingly can claim to be the GOAT!
Look drake is a hell of a performer , but a rapper ? No. Rappers spit, they write , they share their own experiences ,none of that is drake. But he’s a good performer .
Stuff like this is slowly driving me bonkers! But not in the way you may think! At the start of Drakes version he says "Hire some help (Help), get rid of these niggas (Skrr)" He is flat out saying he doesn't put in hard work for himself other people do it for him! Subliminally confessing his guilty feelings to everyone! Everyone has always known Drake is an actor. And what do actors do? They take words someone else wrote. They memorize them recite the lines and then make the audience believe that is their own personality thoughts and feelings! So tell me why would he have a problem doing the exact same thing over a instrumental? It's not that hard to succeed in life while doing the bare minimum of work if you're intelligent ruthless and morally bankrupt with no honor.