Play DORIAN Over Everything (Pat Martino Bebop Approach)

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  • @Guitarmin98
    @Guitarmin98  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    -->Free PDF: www.guitarmin.info/webinar-optin

  • @m.vonhollen6673
    @m.vonhollen6673 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Martino taught us this:
    there are 2 “symmetrical parental forms”, the augmented triad and the fully diminished 7th chord.
    1) the augmented triad (1-3-#5) is easy-to-grab and can be used to quickly form other triads. If you play 554 on GBE, that’s C+ (C augmented) as well as E+ and G#+. (There are only 4 augmented triads as they repeat.)If you LOWER any one of those notes, you will form an E, a G#, and a C major triad.
    If instead you RAISE any one of those notes, you will form a C# minor, an F minor, and an A minor triad (the relative minor triads of each of the major triads).
    2) the fully diminished 7th chord (1-b3-b5-bb7) is also easy-to grab and can be used to quickly form other 7th chords. If you play 4545 on DGBE, that’s F#/C/D#/A Diminished. (They repeat every 3 frets just as the augmented triad repeats every 4 frets.)
    If you LOWER any one of those notes, you will form F/B/D/G# Dominant 7. If instead you RAISE any one of those notes, you will form A/D#/F#/C Half-Diminished 7th chords (1-b3-b5-b7).
    So one Augmented triad “parents” 6 other chords, 3 major triads and 3 minor triads; and one Diminished 7th chord “parents” 8 other chords, 4 Dominant 7th chords and 4 Half-Diminished 7th chords.
    Martino saw the fretboard in a unique way. Pure genius!

  • @chrisharrison809
    @chrisharrison809 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +94

    You sound great. The clicking of your pick on the pickups is driving me crazy lol

    • @JLS_CNRD
      @JLS_CNRD 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He could play more quietly, would sound more jazzy.
      Good lesson though

    • @rockettroll1507
      @rockettroll1507 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      👍

    • @Optical_Ollusion
      @Optical_Ollusion 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Lower that pickup! I have the same problem with middle pickups lol I understand completely

    • @fivefingerfullprice3403
      @fivefingerfullprice3403 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JLS_CNRD He needs to either raise his pick up or move it so it doesn't hit the pickup.

    • @YEM_
      @YEM_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah, surface picking. You should only be just barley scraping the surface of the string. Your pick should never go that deep.

  • @aprilnelly
    @aprilnelly 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I spent 3 summers at the Old Shire in Cape May NJ. Pat was performing there anonymously, under his mother's maiden name, "Azzara". This was after he came out of the coma, and was putting himself back together. Early 1980s. Respect to Wayne Piersanti.

    • @MrDirtydaves
      @MrDirtydaves 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I live in cape may and know(and play) with a lot of guys who played at the shire. One of the old cooks/musicians there was my roommate for a couple of years and moved into an apartment over the old shire space(wayne still owns the property)

    • @effsixteenblock50
      @effsixteenblock50 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Azzara isn't his mom's maiden name. It's his father's last name. In other words - Azzara is Pat's last name. "Martino" is his stage name.

    • @ValirAmaril
      @ValirAmaril 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maybe its just me but, Azzara sounds way cooler than Martino imo. Same for Joe Passalaqua > Joe Pass.

    • @aprilnelly
      @aprilnelly 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @ValirAmaril Italian sounding names still had a bad rap in some industries, due to stereotyping. Peek behind the curtain of the Kennedy presidency: ) untraditional candidte background. ) meanwhile the italians carried alot of water for him. ) and then JFK never reciprocated while in office. But I agree. Azzara sounds smooth

    • @ValirAmaril
      @ValirAmaril 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@aprilnelly ok that makes sense

  • @Malcolm.Y
    @Malcolm.Y 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I hope this helps.
    Martino did not say he plays "dorian." He is an exact extended quote:
    “Unlike quite a number of players who are focused on modal interaction with chord forms, alterations within those chords forms, intervocalically or modally, I find it most comfortable of all to use the Minor Seventh constantly, And when I way the Minor Seventh, I am not specifically referring to scalar use - the normal minor scale, the harmonic minor, so on and so forth. Or by the same token modally, the Dorian Mode, the Lydian Mode, the Mixolydian Mode,and all of these.
    Interacting with transcribers in the past, I have come to see that a great deal of my playing has been analyzed along modal points. And really I have never given any thought to this approach. I think of things primarily in a very simplistic kind of way, which I refer to in a general context as a Minor Seventh.
    The Minor Seventh, is, of course, in my context, has been through experience quite a number of line forms that I find extremely pleasing...
    When I play something like this [plays a short phrase] in the case of a C Minor, being a substitution for an F7, and that F7 could be an F13, it could be quite a number of things. It could be an F7#5, and F7b5. In my case, I generally refer to it as a Minor Seventh.”

    • @thesecretsoundsjazz
      @thesecretsoundsjazz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I took a masterclass with Pat about 18 years ago (and I have an autographed copy of Linear Expressions, as well as a binder with he gave out with The Nature of Guitar). Someone in the audience asked specifically if he was thinking in terms of Dorian, and he shot him down, saying he didn't think in terms of modes at all.

    • @Malcolm.Y
      @Malcolm.Y 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@thesecretsoundsjazz I believe that. I just quoted him saying the same thing from a video seminar that is on TH-cam. If anyone wants to see, I'l tell them where to find it.
      Also, you can look in Linear Expression at Activity 3 on page 13. Two of the first five notes are F#. There is no F# in G Dorian.
      I am very confident that what I call the first generation, guys born in teh 1920s - guitarists like Ellis, Kessel and Pass - never learned "modes." I don't think it became part of the jazz pedagogy until the 1970s.
      My personal opinion is that the idea of "modes" creates more confusion than clarity.

  • @jansen_music
    @jansen_music 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pat Martino played the lines, they were then transcribed. I think the reason he said he didn't write the book is because the accidentals are all over the place using flats in the key of A etc. but those are his lines believe it. Check out Barry Greene's lesson on Pat Martino. It's not free, but it is incredibly great.

  • @jshackelford31
    @jshackelford31 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have this book and you're right about the book. It's great and I've been trying to apply it in my playing. It also a good book to learn note reading

  • @samsonolasunkanmi4814
    @samsonolasunkanmi4814 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These lines have actually changed my playing life

  • @pangeaproxima3681
    @pangeaproxima3681 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Awesome! Pat Martino's the GOAT!

  • @jimsweetman9587
    @jimsweetman9587 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Totally got it. Pat was the king of swing!

  • @SlowBluesInc
    @SlowBluesInc 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I got this book a while ago and learned most of the exercises, but was unclear as to how to incorporate it. And now.....I'm still unclear about it. 😵‍💫

    • @millwall930
      @millwall930 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes me too ,, no tab no go (

  • @Jimi-bx3xf
    @Jimi-bx3xf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes i learned all the patterns of linear expressions

  • @timdale4500
    @timdale4500 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So grateful for this Armin, thank you so so much

  • @EricRobillard-b4j
    @EricRobillard-b4j 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i was kinda noodling around this concept and figure out something useful. thanks for this

  • @Blackjawreen
    @Blackjawreen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😮😮😮ohhhh fretmate you know what you walked through my mind .Got the book and been tryina to dissect the info .And you nailed it .Cmon man hats off

  • @alchemysticgoldmind4164
    @alchemysticgoldmind4164 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is a Great Post..keep bangin it bro..much love❤‼👍🏿🔥🎸

  • @lancerigby3662
    @lancerigby3662 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this book. Great licks that lay nicely on the fretboard.

  • @EricRobillard-b4j
    @EricRobillard-b4j 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Martino had a big influence on me to, his vocabulary is insane

  • @tenbroeck1958
    @tenbroeck1958 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for making this digestible! I got this book, Linear Expressions, several years ago, but wasn't sure what to do with it. This made me locate it, and start applying the information. Very cool stuff. Peace

  • @TreeintheQuad
    @TreeintheQuad 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ll have to check out the book. Thanks for the great video!

  • @TheEnd-vn9rb
    @TheEnd-vn9rb 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude, I’ve been searching for this for so long. Thank you! Love the way your brain works!

  • @FretboardMaestro
    @FretboardMaestro 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I met him once at the Iridium and told him I wanted to study with him, after I got done with college. He gave me his business card. Then I moved back to upstate NY and started having a family. Then he passed away, I'm sad I never actually got a chance to study with him.

  • @chrissguitarshow206
    @chrissguitarshow206 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The way i do it is using modes if i m going to play in b flat major i use c dorian because its close ro pentatonic shape i am used to and it works.

  • @mattwallis1893
    @mattwallis1893 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still have my original copy which I bought in the 80s. One of the best books I own and I still play the patterns. I believe that Wes Montgomery may have used a similar approach.

  • @chloefourte3413
    @chloefourte3413 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    got the book, thank you!

  • @ensaerodynamics8615
    @ensaerodynamics8615 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this great lesson and Pat's insights

  • @georgesember9069
    @georgesember9069 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for posting. Enjoyed!

  • @Optical_Ollusion
    @Optical_Ollusion 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really great and simple concept!

  • @jjhonnychacon1005
    @jjhonnychacon1005 หลายเดือนก่อน

    La escala real que utilizo pat para escribir linear expresións es la escala menor melódica de Sol, con variaciones de aproximación y tocando por terceras para iniciar las frases

  • @jjhonnychacon1005
    @jjhonnychacon1005 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Otro secreto que usa pat al tocar sus líneas , es usar el sistema pentatonico de jhonn coltrane.. toca 1,2,3 y 5 en cualquier situación

  • @guitar9310
    @guitar9310 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I LOVE dorian. I also LOVE superimposing melodic minor over it!!!

  • @markmoon1237
    @markmoon1237 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "people in a family" -- Allan Holdsworth described it this way too.

  • @keithpearson6900
    @keithpearson6900 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    mentioned before but love everything you put out. Is this plugged in? It sounds different and more appealing to the ears! Hearing jazz tones (reminds me of velvet) is the coolest thing.

    • @keithpearson6900
      @keithpearson6900 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dumb question because I know it is! What are you running it/recording it through?

  • @pawelsto9801
    @pawelsto9801 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I always had an inpression that thinking "in minor" makes things easier but I couldn't say why.

  • @anthonyboccone7838
    @anthonyboccone7838 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Martino was a fuckin genius

  • @WillyFriar
    @WillyFriar หลายเดือนก่อน

    So where does Dorian come in!

  • @liveguitarcast
    @liveguitarcast 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thx, great lesson

  • @EricRobillard-b4j
    @EricRobillard-b4j 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i get the modal thing about starting phrases on taget notes lets say that on a g minor that based on dorian lets say with passing tones or diminished notes aded to it, if you start the b flat for a line i g minor, it will brings out a lydian sounds, the D will be based on aeolian and so on, am i right?

  • @oldreddragon1579
    @oldreddragon1579 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got read this again because my endings are different.

  • @CrazyQ6930
    @CrazyQ6930 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OH MAAAAAN!
    I've had the same problem. I read and learn a bit and it helps but still? There are no jazz guys around me and I'm an older guy so my options aren't a lot, but I think this is gonna help! Pat Martino is like a genius that I couldn't understand (well most jazz guys are) but I could almost get his instructions. I knew it was genius but I'd put it off to hopefully a point when I was better. THAT TIME MIGHT BE TODAY.
    Thanks! ❤️‍🩹

  • @bluevd12
    @bluevd12 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great stuff ...ignore picky people who cant deal with physical elements around us...Purest dig a hole ...

    • @Guitarmin98
      @Guitarmin98  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks man!

  • @wings3776
    @wings3776 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For whatever reason it’s easier for me to think of natural minor up a whole step from a Dom7th chord.

  • @stevenmike1878
    @stevenmike1878 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this video really needs to be remade with music notes and guitar tab below, for the ease of learning. otherwise people are only getting half of the information on the video which is the theory.

  • @OrganicFaithFactory
    @OrganicFaithFactory 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks!

  • @FretboardMaestro
    @FretboardMaestro 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's a great book, it's on Scribd, well now it's called Everand...

  • @TheRealSandleford
    @TheRealSandleford 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    you talk minor 7 you got a major 6 inversion. if you got minor 6 you got a minor 7 flat 5 inversion and its also a dominant with a 9. Dorian its an extension of a dominant starting on the 5 579 and the 7th 7911 is the other thats a 4 chord or a dominant 11 chord ... quite close to the 2 also

  • @ZCBeats1
    @ZCBeats1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    In the All things you are demo I don't fully understand how you're incorperating those excsercies into the song because the excsercies are way too long to fit over any given chord so are you just picking out parts of the line to use over any given chord and then changing the root note accordingly?

    • @Rob-in7vp
      @Rob-in7vp 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also trying to figure this out, but I think you play the line until the chord changes, then find the next line for the next chord (convert the chord to minor) in the position closest to where you are, and play that next line from the note closest to where you finished the previous. The book has a 'Line Study' where it goes through all 12 keys, kind of doing this.

  • @tonysoprano1462
    @tonysoprano1462 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The similarity of all these 4 lines is that they all land on E note (the sixth of G). Ain't I right?

  • @grantgre
    @grantgre 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    yeah but hold up where did he get those incidentals on that on those lines like the ones starting on the G where to get the G flat? And why did he decide to end on the E

  • @AndoniDiazPuerta
    @AndoniDiazPuerta 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have the same question by @ZCBeats1 . How did you apply to a real standard? The lines are too long thought...

    • @CRP2426
      @CRP2426 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Look for Pat Martino's "Creative Force" (book & video) True Fire Nature of the guitar (course by Pat)

    • @effsixteenblock50
      @effsixteenblock50 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You're not suppose to play them verbatim - these are just "areas of activity" (as Pat refers to them). Just use chunks of them.

  • @ashdebash2008
    @ashdebash2008 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can anyone clarify this question... if I'm applying this method to a standard, then for literally every chord, I should figure out the associated minor, then use parts of these activities over each chord as they change, and gradually link the whole thing together?

    • @stevens7920
      @stevens7920 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Pretty much. If you find the associated minor then you can play that over the chord. The exercises are just some licks to help you do that, but ultimately knowing the associated minor gives you enough to start working out your own chops.

  • @grantgre
    @grantgre 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OK but where did you get the incidental on the first scale on the G there's a D flat and why did he end up on the E

  • @Blackjawreen
    @Blackjawreen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey bro what model of Eastman do you play

  • @awolseb
    @awolseb 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude. Can you not hear the sound of your plectrum hitting the pickup cover?

  • @millwall930
    @millwall930 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does anyone know if this book was printed in tab ? 👍

    • @yoojin-oi8ij
      @yoojin-oi8ij 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      FOR THE LOVE OF GOD,.... JUST LEARN HOW TO READ !!!!!!

    • @CRP2426
      @CRP2426 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It has diagrams and notation.
      If you want tabs look for "Creative Force". Learning to read will help you understand things faster.

  • @barryo5158
    @barryo5158 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve heard Pat say he had nothing to do with that book.

  • @dexterleeledford2347
    @dexterleeledford2347 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Really? even over altered dominants?

  • @ZCBeats1
    @ZCBeats1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:45

  • @maciejpe779
    @maciejpe779 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why 4 not 5? 🤔

    • @Guitarmin98
      @Guitarmin98  22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I skipped having two formations with D in the bass!

  • @ZCBeats1
    @ZCBeats1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:15

  • @ishadawaher-bakhos1048
    @ishadawaher-bakhos1048 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think the lines are wrong though

    • @Guitarmin98
      @Guitarmin98  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Kinda did my own thing with them.. didnt I say that?😁

  • @ZCBeats1
    @ZCBeats1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:47

  • @JoanRuthazer
    @JoanRuthazer 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is unclear. What modes are you playing over each note of the chord? Anyone?

    • @effsixteenblock50
      @effsixteenblock50 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's got nothing to do with modes. Pat said so himself.

  • @ZCBeats1
    @ZCBeats1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    8:09

  • @lee95757
    @lee95757 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Martino said he had nothing to do with that book. Apparently written by someone else.

  • @barakados
    @barakados 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    stop hiting the humbucker, please!!!

  • @patrickpowell5430
    @patrickpowell5430 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don’t mean to be unkind, but this guy’s ‘explanation’ is hopeless. I have no idea what he’s getting at.

  • @MadeByMurray
    @MadeByMurray 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Haha this is crazy

  • @cjm4921
    @cjm4921 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    learn bebop in ten minutes......that s all jazz........

  • @pensive_
    @pensive_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nice material, but your plectrum clicking against the neck pickup cover constantly is ANNOYING as heck. How can you ever put that out to the public ?

  • @jakemf1
    @jakemf1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    No disrespect meant but this is the second video by a player that has the pick hitting the pick up. This is so distracting for the listener from what you are trying to convey.

  • @carlodevivomusicontent2138
    @carlodevivomusicontent2138 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You like your "Likes" don't you 😅 in 3 words 10 are "like" 😅❤❤

  • @marceli155
    @marceli155 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pat plays all ways melodic minor not a dorian !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @effsixteenblock50
      @effsixteenblock50 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You're right in that it's not dorian but it's not melodic minor either. It's not modal - it's a m7 "grip" where yes, the natural 6th is available, the b7 is too (dorian?) but so is the natural 7 (melodic minor?). Then all the chromatic notes. Pat said he never thought in modal terms whatsoever.

  • @AmilcarAlho-hj4fe
    @AmilcarAlho-hj4fe 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:47

  • @AmilcarAlho-hj4fe
    @AmilcarAlho-hj4fe 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:15