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Hey all, this was originally just going to be a four-minute PSA telling people to vote, but I couldn’t stop thinking about catgirls calling me a neoliberal hack, so I started having imaginary arguments with the imaginary catgirls and then I realized fuck it, that’s a video.
It’s a little under-produced by this channel’s recent standards because I had to rush to get it out before the election. I’m also in the middle of producing a much more ambitious video which I’ll get back to work on now!
Getting this message out quickly is important, though.
We appreciate you!!!
This was an important message, and it didn't come across as rushed. Thank you for posting!
Vote, if for nothing else but to trigger the chuds.
Justice part 2?
I'm mostly upset that I've never voted for anyone I'll ever be willing to publicly defend. I hate the two party system and the idea that political ideologies are binary.
Me too
It’s pretty awful!
Hi Kat
We'll get there
Breaking that would mean leftist policies would rarely ever win any election. That's what's happening in latin america.
"I don't expect Trump to go quietly"
*(Morgan Freeman narrating)*
Indeed he didn't.
His ego wont allow it.
It was insane 😂
@@lasofi5510 It was honestly a lot saner than I thought it would be. We're in the good timeline. For now.
He did tho.
@@slicedtoad "We're in the good timeline."
- Economic collapse
- Food supply shutting down
- Worker shortage
- Afghanistan taken over by Taliban
But hey no orange man bad tweets right
"Antifa isnt scary. Antifa is Ryan and his transgender anarchist friends"
I have been attacked.
Well my homeland's antifa movement has been historically very strong and militant so I cannot relate. We are kinda considered to be terrorists even 😂. 15 years ago, around the wake of the great recession, most major cities became the theatre of hardcore rioting caused by the murder of a 15 year old boy by a cop. Sadly the movement has gone pretty dormant ever since, even though our neolib government keeps making things worse for everyday people (who keep voting for them. We Europeans don't get enough credit for our stupidity, even though it's nothing compared to the everyday American's political thought who thinks Bernie's radical.), has wiretapped some opposing politicians Nixon-style, prices have skyrocketed on everything (which might be a worldwide trend, but my country fares the worst in all of Europe) and last year saw the worst railway disaster in the country's history, with 57 people dead. If that's not a lot to protest for, I don't know what is. Not to mention that they legalised gay marriage just to distract everyone from the disaster. Because when everything is going to shit, the only thing I'm thinking about is when am I, a queer man, going to marry the man of my dreams...
“Biden’s not my boy... but” seems to be Biden’s unofficial campaign slogan at this point.
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Yup. Biden sucks if you’re a leftist. But personally I’d vote for my left nut before I’d ever vote for trump. But just the left nut, the right one’s a douche. Not his fault, seems everyone on the right defaults to the douchie category.
@@Ron_DeForest I laughed. And then I remembered that Biblical thing about if your eye offends you, pluck it out...
@@Ron_DeForest So vote third party and help them get automated ballot access. Don't vote for the guy that literally packed his transition team with people from the Bush Jr Administration and who's "climate change expert" literally is on the chair of a Natural Gas company.
@@Ron_DeForest Honestly, Biden even sucks if you're just a progressive, given what he's said and (more importantly) done politically in the past. But when you get a choice between getting the flu and getting the black plague, well...
I’m a Russian bot, but you’ve convinced me to switch sides
This gave me a heart chuckle, thank you so much
@@teteteteta2548 A heart chuckle sounds painful.
spasibo tovarishch
Domo arigato, comrade roboto.
Biden built the cages.
Biden wrote the crime bill.
His administration dropped more bombs in the middle east than any other administration.
His administration deported more people than any other administration.
He is beholden to capital.
It's this constant liberal argument that THIS time you HAVE to vote blue. Biden is responsible for more reprehensible shit and death than Trump is. He has more blood on his hands. Trump says the quiet part out loud, but they serve the same interests.
All of congress is bought out by banks, weapon manufacturers, oil barons, corporate lobbyists, big pharma & other special interest groups. The longer we pretend that voting is actually doing anything, the harder it will be to obtain real change.
contrapoints struggling with her inner cat girl is... internalized meowsogyny
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@@greyscale8137 This whole thread is the absolute worst and it's exactly what I need in this trying time XD
A clawful joke
He's a heterosexual man
@ *She
“If I have to crawl off the god*amn floor on the morning of November 4th…
…pick up the phone to find out Caligula Jackson is president for life…
…I will chew my way through the bathroom tile, and I will not stop until I reach the gates of hell.”
Is probably my most favourite opening monologue I’ve ever heard.
I do come back to this video just for this monologue
Yes! That exact line has played in my brain often.
And how right before that, she picks up the iced coffee, tries to sip and the distraught sigh. Her delivery is absolutely brilliant.
I feel the same heading into the 2024 election 😕
I wish people would stop thinking that revolutions are reset buttons. Governments are not routers. You can't fix them by unplugging and plugging them back in.
You're expecting too much thought from teens who never worked a day in their lives
This is an underrated comment. A revolution in a country with fascist tendencies will be a fascist revolution. Hate to break it to you, but the Fascists here in america are waaaaaay closer to revolution than we are.
I needed to hear this! Thanks
I always love imagining what revolutionists imagine their revolution to look like. 10,000 people standing outside the Whitehouse while a black single mother drags Trump out by his wig? Lol our military is the most powerful in the world, they would firebomb DC and burn it to the ground (after getting all politicians into bunkers) before they would allow that to happen. It's not a reset button, it's throwing your router into the street and letting it get hit by a car and then trying to jerry-rig a new router out of a ham radio and a laptop from 1998
Okay, I agree. But like a good IT guy...we should try all the things. Voting is low cost. Also if someone sees a reset button on the us government I say we press it
"I'm met antifa, they're a furry" is the new i met god, she's a woman.
thomas jefferson miku binder intensifies
@@notscarlet8321 every time I forget about Miku binder Thomas Jefferson one ya’ll has to remind me again 😭😭
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Wasn't it "I met god, she's black"?
@@felight5700 yeah that's the famous t-shirt one but I've heard both
"80% of tweets come from 2% of Americans" why did I breathe the BIGGEST sigh of relief though
Because you realize that privileged white kids that won’t vote because the revolution isn’t happening don’t actually represent Americans as a whole. That’s enough to let the biggest sigh of relief.
Bc Twitter is scary in a lot of ways that Instagram, youtube, and many other social media platforms just aren't (as much). It's irresponsible people screeching at each other to "be more responsible"
Twitter is filled with a bunch of regressive radical leftist that scare people away from their ideology.
Isn't it a funny little thing that most people using the internet habituate outside the US while consuming mainly US content. Such oligarchy. I'm not exactly relieved.
Same people who think the George Floyd settlement was a good idea. The rest just want to stay here.
Thanks for mentioning Puerto Rico. Most people forget we’re Americans, too.
I was taught Puerto Rico was an independent country, so when I learnt otherwise I was comfused
I'm still vaguely traumatised by that time Trump said Puerto Rico should be getting help from their own country and stop burdening the US.
@@Realisticallyliteral He's an isolationist at best, his stupidity knows no bounds tho. I want PR to actually have a chance to restructure and be cash positive, bc no legal bankruptcy is a nightmare. Maybe Biden will sing a different tune.
@@Realisticallyliteral it’s so insanely scary that he doesn’t even know what territories are apart of the country he is “leading.” I wonder if he knows about Hawaii and Alaska too.
@@theshamanite trump’s stupidity definitely is expansionist
Sad thing is, we can now tell roughly how far back a video was by how many people had died of covid.
Sakura!
Plus, turns out it's twice as bad as we thought it was. Argh!
HI SAKURA!! HOW'S LI SHAORAN?
:|
Yet still no one cares and life goes on rofl
So, I've seen a lot of "reasons you should NOT vote" statements from radical leftists, because hi I am a radical leftist. But the arguments aaaaalways boil down to exactly the ones you outlined in this video: "don't vote because it won't end capitalism", "don't vote because we should only be protesting," etc. And the thing is, I align myself with leftist ideologies because I want the material conditions -- the actual, tangible reality of people's current lives -- to be better. And that's not going to happen for a whole lot of people if leftists decide, en masse, to not vote. It's basically the same critique we all reasonably launch at centrists: If you choose to do nothing, then materially? You're really just allowing the current power structure to continue doing what it wants. Please vote, Folks!
My idea is I care first about human well-being, second about my political ideology (which is literally based on my value of human well-being). I do whatever I can to address the most urgent issues of equity, justice, and human rights, and that means voting blue.
@@sywitz Same, but I'm voting gold in the hopes that third parties will make a better showing in the coming years. I don't live in a swing state, so I think a vote for a third party will actually mean more for improving the country in the long run.
What about voting third party in a safe state so a third party so they can get 5% and federal funding?
@@whisperingsage89 Or just voting third party because it's still better than not voting, and easier to get excited for.
@@whisperingsage89 i think the biggest problem with voting third party, even in safe states, is that there could be more of a contest. people straight up didn’t vote in 2016 and caused same “safe” states to flip. i’m not personally against it, but there’s definitive risk to doing so. my biggest thing is “vote your conscience,” and for me this means biden because of how imperative i feel this election is for those on the left (and the gen pop of america) and i’m not taking that chance.
“CLOSER TO A VIOLENT UPRISING THAN WE’VE EVER BEEN BEFORE” that aged very well
Thanks I was looking for other people who were here after seeing the maga mob
I feel like we can come back to this videos for years to come and even more things will have aged like fine wine, unfortunately.
I searched up republicans’ views on this thinking,” How could they possibly defend this?” But they were blaming the police instead for letting the mob in.
Or the mention of a guillotine 6:42
@@dread6295 Or blaming the riot on antifa somehow...? Anything to avoid facing that the voted for an authoritarian loser, I guess
"Well you're right, I don't expect Trump to go quietly, but if there's a decisive Biden victory and it's not some sort of vote recount nightmare scenario, then I think the military will force Trump to leave."
YOU JINXED IT
The increasingly realistic methods of typing really bring this together
buit it was not realistic
@@sjkdsfsdf52 they were making a joke about how the typing was intentionally unrealistic
The hairbrush lol
@@sjkdsfsdf52 are you sure, mostly my typing is "just" like that
@@fern5505 but nobody types with a brush its to wide it would hit more button than just one.
Really like that point about Revolutionary Ideation. My circle of friends is very smash the system/eat the rich when we're chilling together, but in reality we all wake up in the morning, put on a shirt and go work for the corporation because we got bills to pay and we'd like to have a career that allows us to afford some comfort at some point in life.
Fantasizing about magical revolution is fun and all, but outside of my small circle of like-minded friends, I'm the most left-wing person I know. Revolution isn't happening tomorrow morning because a handful of socialists in corporate jobs who've never held a weapon decide that capitalism is #cancelled. Revolution comes in two unpleasant forms: fast and deadly, or slow and boring. And let me tell you none of my eat the rich friends are ready for the first kind. As much as we like the idea of pulling out the guillotines and making Bezos kebabs, our temperaments and skillsets are much more suited to the kind of slow, redious, unsexy, incremental reforms we like to sneer at. So maybe just maybe we should do everything we can to ensure there isn't a narcissistic demagogue in the big chair with an army of loyal ghouls syphoning off public funds to grow their own economic power.
It never ceases to amaze me how people can be so insightful and put so much effort in a youtube comment they don't even know anyone will read
@@acdeeiprrt sometimes just writing something and putting it out there can be satisfying in and of itself. Plus, if you leave five comments, someone's gonna read one. And do that five times, someone might have an interesting response. So eventually you'll see some sort of minor material effect.
This is so well put
Bro preach it
Isn't slow and boring revolution evolution?
Voting is not a marriage. Voting is a bus trip : you never get a bus that picks you up in front of your house and drops you exactly where you want to go. Among all the buses, you pick the one that brings you closer to your destination.
Literally this. Pin this.
exactly
This analogy just has got to stop being regurgitated. It is absolutely ineffective at persuading radical leftists because Biden is not taking us anywhere even close to the society they want. That doesn't mean voting out a fascist isn't important.
@@connor5669 Persuading radicals in general is hard thing to do -- first they have to be de-radicalized, a simple analogy alone is not going to change their minds. They have to be willing to confront reality first.
I picked Bernie and he didn’t arrive so I’d rather walk
If you look carefully, some of Tabitha's keystrokes don't actually line up with what is being typed on screen.
It’s incredibly subtle, possibly CGI.
You have a detective’s eye. And a dancer’s calves.
(I have no real idea why I said that last sentence, it was just in my heart for some reason…)
Don't forget that Biden isn't the only person you're voting on. Down Ballot voting is going to be huge this year. I mean it's possible even Lindsey Graham loses his seat. How amazing would that be?
Sadly, a lot of people forget there's other things on the ballot that are just as important. We lucked out in the blue wave for the midterm elections for my state. We actually was able to pass bills that would normally be striked down with the more conservative leaning state government.
This. More than anything this.
For most of us, down ballot voting is actually more important than the top line. Vote Democratic down the line. Having the Senate is absolutely critical to Biden accomplishing anything we want. Have the votes to put bills on his desk and see if he'll sign them. Have more than a narrow margin in the Senate will mean better legislation, because there are some Democrats who're going to be hard to persuade for big moves (like killing the filibuster and expanding the Supreme Court).
And maybe even more importantly in the long run - State houses and governors. It's a redistricting year and that's going to drive politics for the next decade. Winning so many states in 2010 and gerrymandering the shit out of them is one big way Republicans dominated the rest of that decade.
fucking MITCH could lose his seat!! how incredible would that be??
The House is super important. If the election is contested, the house gets to decide who wins. But they give each state one vote. Trump currently has an advantage, BUT if enough House seats flip, the newly elected House gets to decide the Presidency when they take office in early January.
These rules are crazy, but yeah. Basically: those down ballot races matter. A LOT.
We could actually have Affirmative Action in California after this year. We could lose the right to fair employment. And uh... Something about dialysis I guess. Vote please.
Based and cat-pilled
Any Marxist-bidenists in chat?
nyatalie wins again
Hey nice to see you here when's the next video coming out
@OZMX you can ‘bet your bottom dollar’ that us European lefties would vote democratic in _droves_ if we could. I am seriously considering campaigning for the Biden campaign from the Netherlands right now. We are all very worried about you.
waiting for that Nyatalie heart =/
I'm an anarchist. I'm also a poll worker. No contradiction. Why? HARM REDUCTION.
People first, political philosophy second.
PS My daughter wants to be Tabby when she grows up WHAT HAVE YOU WROUGHT NATALIE
@@JadeStone00 If you see votes for trump will you try to erase them?
Who will join this communist revolution if they show they do not care about people suffering?
Your anarchist revolution sounds better. ;-)
@Nick Fanchette Did I ask you?
@@thatsnotagoodidea username checks out
I am typing this hours after Biden dropped out of the 2024 race and ths is as relevant now as it was four years ago.
Contrapoints certainly called January 6…
As someone who has worked in crisis services, and engaged in lethality assessments with actively suicidal folks, I love the application of "ideation vs. intent" in this video. It's brilliant.
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Thank you for voicing a tough conversation. 💜 I’ve been frustrated with how performative the online sphere is. It’s exhausting to reason with. Now is not the time to be the coolest, most aloof person in the room who refuses to do the bare minimum.
I don't think there is ever a time where it is ok to be aloof and refusing to do the bare minimum. I agree that this is all exhausting though, and very frustrating. It sucks to not do something, but it also sucks to try to do something. Pick your poison I guess. My advise perhaps would be to start with people whom you have disagreements, but for the most part agree on the other topics. Instead of outright diving into the complete opposite pit.
Believe it or not, you can do multiple things at the same time. You could say, vote and also unionize.
What an astounding idea. You could be doing multiple efficient things at once, increasing overall effectiveness.
This is every argument I've had in my left spheres. You can vote AND plan the revolution. Only under Biden, less people hurt during this process.
Wait 2 things? I don't know that seems too radical, it'll never work.
@@bearded_raven4526 Less chance of revolution under Biden.
@@danb9028 I don't think that's necessarily true. If Democrats are in charge, the idea of getting a different party in power to change things doesn't make sense. BLM and Standing Rock happened under Obama, after all.
"Leftist 22 yr olds" Im literally in that picture and I hate it.
I did vote tho in GA. General and runoff
Congrats. You played yourself
Then you're already better than the peter coffins and accelerationist catgirls of the world. Congrats. It took me a while longer than you to learn that pragmatism trumps ideation when it comes to getting shit done.
Yay, good for you (and everyone)!!!
Thank you 🙏
we know natalie's fits are always elite but that shirt is giving me "my husband recently died under mysterious circumstances, welcome to my garden party" and i'm LIVING for it
and the headpiece SCREAMS “this is the first thing i bought with the life insurance money”
“Where did these nightshades come from?”
@@merrittanimation7721 the blood on the counter? oh.... just... butcher meat.
nadal ekene “Here have some ham. It’s extra bloody.”
Yeah? To me It says "I just fell in love with someone from my local gardening club, and its A MARRIED WOMAN".
You're not just voting for a president, you're voting for other members of your government as well. VOTE
A lot of people don't seem to understand that the president doesn't have ALL the power and that state and local elections are equally important. Mitch McConnell's complacency over his time in Senate shows that.
@Starwars Fan360 Picking between getting plague and getting the common cold is still a choice. Even if ether is not an outcome you like. But it is a choice.
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@Starwars Fan360 They aren't just talking about presidents. If you want change then check your ballot - many places elect judges as well and these do effect local laws and how they may be implemented. The president and even your senate and congressional reps are NOT the only thing that affect your life.
And while the Electoral College dilutes the votes of many Americans for president, it doesn't have any impact on any other elections. Down-ballot elections are the ones that actually affect your life in an immediate way!
(I'm also super-pissed about the current Senate, and am almost shaking with excitement at the opportunity to vote that dipshit Thom Tillis out of office.)
Okay, you convinced me.
Today, where I live, it’s the last day to register. It’s 11:44 pm, and I just finished filling out the form to register to vote. I’m a transgender man who is apolitical, but I know what’s right and I’m not going to act like I don’t. As much as I love to walk around and act as if the world isn’t a political place, it is, and it does change how everything is. I originally felt I was to incompetent to vote, but I think I know enough. I’ll vote for Joe Biden.
Good for you, dude! You can always google everything on the ballot. That's what I did for everything besides the presidential vote. Did I know the candidates running for county sheriff? Absolutely not. But I looked them up, and I voted for one, because he was less of shithead to black people.
I’m super glad to read this, and good on you. But I don’t understand how you can be apolitical as a trans man when your very existence is politicized by forces that literally wish to make you and all others like you stop existing. Being apolitical in that climate is endorsing this violence, because you won’t do anything to change it or protect your peers. If I may ask, what motivated you to take this stance in the first place?
Here's a little something extra to consider: "apolitical" is an illusion. You might not be interested in politics, or don't want to bother with it. But the very act of not engaging with politics is a political act that endorses the status quo.
I hope everyone in these comments voting for Biden, realise you are RESPONSIBLE for everything Biden does and are RESPONSIBLE for relegitimising Neoliberalism. I hope you are aware of that. Your "harm reduction" doesn't mean shit when your actively legitimising a worse system and refuse to support candidates that actually give a fuck and help third parties hit that 5% threshold.
KironVB I long for the days when I was as politically naive as you. It was so much comfier.
"when the far right talks about violence and overthrowing the government, they actually mean it." that aged well.
reality be like "I can do both"
For demographic purposes I'm a 35 year old white male and I work in an oil refinery about 40 minutes North of the edge of civilization. Love your channel. I think you have an important voice and I've learned a lot from listening to you.
"40 minutes north of the edge of civilization"
Hey, has it been okay over quarantine?
@@Slavaisusukhrystu It's not under quarantine. The site has been deemed one of ten essential businesses for Canada. It's a bit like living in a minimum security prison so the shutdown season made for a long rotation. Masks are mandatory; if you get caught not wearing one properly it's a lifetime ban from site. The health standards that are maintained are pretty impressive but are kind of a pain in the ass to live with. Most of the men and women up here seem to be in pretty good spirits. Quite a few die hard Trump fans who are starting to get a bit discouraged about his election prospects. I mean I get it. It's pretty easy to like the guy and think he's awesome if you just ignore all the things he says and does. I'm more concerned about you folks south of the border. I think November is going to be a challenging month for all of you.
we love you mark
@@Mark_w_oneil thank you for helping to disperse the demographic myths so common nowadays. Yes, there's some truth in the labels but nothing is completely black and white. For instance, I am a staunch Progressive yet I am a supporter of the Second Amendment and carry a firearm daily. I like you find myself straddling two worlds as much of my fellow second amendment supporting Americans are diehard Trump fans. It does feel good though to be able to look outside the narrow world view determined for you. Contrapoints has helped immensely in this. Take care and thanks again for thinking of us down south.
Gotta say, that “landscaping business” line aged like the finest wine.
*chef kiss*
* just dying *
Indeed. Savor it.
I didn't think that was possible. Even in Trump's world. 😂
@@trickvro holy shit lol
"To me, voting is more of a utilitarian calculation based on the likely consequences of each candidate winning."
I can't tell you how validating it was to hear someone say that. I've had similar experiences on Twitter and that one sentence boils my thought process down perfectly.
Its so stupid that people see it as support and alignment with my "team". They end up being on team "I wasted my precious vote", that's the team they're on.
I think everyone is using a utilitarian calculation. Not voting Biden or Trump is looking more long term. Accelerationism sounds dumb but can work because we don't have time to waste when it comes to climate change. Incremental change won't save us, and a lot of people won't survive without M4A and a green new deal is the LEAST we can do to meaningfully combat climate change. With Biden, that won't happen, then in 4 or 8 years we'll get another Republican and will have wasted our time. OR..let Trump win, and show the Dems that they can't win without being at least progressive. Win back the Senate, handcuff Trump and force the Dems to listen to our demands because we don't have time to waste on corporate center right candidates. The lesser of two evils is a slow death, but a guaranteed death none the less.
@@mindlander I am skeptical that a Trump win would facilitate those changes. Bernie losing in 2016 gave us Hillary and instead of learning from that, Dems gave us...Biden. So I doubt losing again in 2020 will make them learn from that. In fact, they would probably just become even more conservative to maintain power in a more fascist world.
And when it comes to climate change, everything Trump does is making the climate crisis worse. Biden's plan doesn't do enough, but he has taken in some key elements of the Green New Deal and sounds open to more after listening to some of Bernie's people. There's some pretty decent stuff in his plan. Meanwhile, four years of Trump nosediving the climate further only makes solving the problem even more difficult and won't change Republican minds all of a sudden. Even now as the West Coast of America is on fire, they still want to blame it on forest management.
@@mindlander "show the dems"... Natalie addresses you directly. Don't help elect fascist to "own the dems". I guess that's not getting through to you.
those were my Hilary feels. i felt like I had to swallow the less nasty load four years ago, for almost nothing. I swear to fuck if I just had to smile and swallow the Mr. White Christmas for fuck all... well, I guess I'll just have to keep at it forever, if mostly to do *something* to dent the damage that people like Mr. Incremental Change Galaxy Brain in here will do to lead to a future that's less positive for freaks and the filthy poor like me.
Wow. Natalie is scary good at reading the room of American politics
She's not scary good, she is just informed and well-read, and cares about staying up-to-date on the state of politics.
The biggest divide in this country isn't between left and right, it's between those who pay attention and those who don't.
The bit about revolutionary ideation is honestly something I really needed to hear.
Likewise
Can you explain why you needed to hear it?
yeah, that's literally the foundation of twitter discourse
It’s not a good point, many people are serious about overthrowing. There are plenty of gun owning socialists, many with army training who are currently making less than minimum wage who want it. Don’t let this lib get you down, unsubscribe
@@DendyJungle
"plenty"
“Please don’t re-elect a fascist just to own the libs” distills it down nicely. I worked on the Clinton campaign in college in South Dakota(Bill Clinton because yes I am old) so I agree with you that until you get in the trenches you are just a spectator. I participated in Act Up and the Lesbian Avengers in the early 90’s and learned so much about focused protest. I wish that every young person, especially the LGBTQ young people take the opportunity to be active....not just on Twitter. And thanks for letting a boring old lesbian grandma prattle on for a bit, Natalie.
Trump isn't a Fascist. Populist/Moronic right winger who refuses to expand the Patriot Act when the Dems try force him to = / = Fascist. (Also if he was a Fascist, why would the Dems be trying to EXPAND his powers?)
Also this argument falls flat, when you have groups like the FARC, Naxals, NPA etc who actually HAVE been fighting actual proper murderous Fascists, and no, don't support their shitty Neolib right wing alternatives.
Thanks to you and people like yourself, the current generation of LGBT have suffered very little (in the grand scope, at least)
Thank you for fighting, grandma. Thank you for giving us more opportunities.
> I worked on the clinton campaign
gulag for you
@@KironVB I don't see what you're trying to do here. So despite all of the dangerous shit Trump has pulled, both legislatively and in terms of rallying the right in America, you're saying he's merely a dumb buffoon who just appeals to what the people like? I mean, even if that was the case, it doesn't change the fact that many of the things he is doing are fascistic, and that his base supporters are far-right fascist groups. If I had to choose between someone supported by wet-blanket libs or fascists who actively want me dead (and wouldn't hesitate to kill me if they could get away with it), I would choose the wet-blanket presidency.
Thank you for your service 💜
As an ex Jehova's Witness, voting makes me so much edgier than my parents. (For those who don't know, JWs don't vote.)
Lol
Don't vote trump at least
@@cracktoon_powerscaling wouldn't even if I were American.
Hello, fellow apostate! Isn't it nice to know the truth about The Truth?
@@BananaBrainsZEF hello! 👋 It sure is
As an ex-jw (unofficial but i subscribed to their shite for most of my youth) myself, fuck yeah
As a person who lives in florida, a person who isn't a superstitious bigot, and a person who has actual empathy; I'm fully aware that my vote will have 0 impact in the results. I still vote, not out of any delusion it'll have an impact or belief in small changes adding up; but purely out of a sense of civic obligation. The way I see it is this: Even though the vast majority of society has abandoned the concept of society and refuses to perform their responsibilities as members of society, I have no right to follow that example. Other people being trash does not give me the right to be trash.
So I vote with the full knowledge that it'll have no impact, just because I don't want to be the kind of person who abandons my duties just because the system is broken.
this is such as good mindset to have.
What a self righteous attitude. Voting isn't a civic duty, it's realpolitik. Voting isn't activism, it doesn't make you morally superior than the normal person who doesn't vote for genocidal politicians.
Hey, I'm Russian and I strongly advise you to vote instead of ignoring the election. Too many of my Russian peers are choosing the "ignore" option, and like it didn't get us anywhere. Be smart, USA. Vote.
#ContraPointsforPresident
@@comichb What's so surprising? It's a small world :)
Also, Contra is too great to ignore, so...
130% of voters turned out last election in russia
This is my favorite kind of Russian interference! JK, I wish you well Mr. O.
@@comichb We are many. Hello камрад!
Refusing to vote isn't a protest if half the population doesn't vote out of apathy anyway.
What do they expect, they just won't get a president? That the election runs again? If even 5% of people vote, that's still a vote, and the winner still the winner.
@@1TW1-m5i I don’t know. Low voter turnout is the norm in America so not voting isn’t anything unique. If voting was mandatory then not voting would be a protest, but in America the biggest battle is convincing people to vote in the first place.
It's weird that half a country can force their will upon the other half in the first place
@@jonjohnson8161 voter suppression is an issue and I can’t criticize people who have to deal with that for not voting, but not voting is not the moral high ground, it’s not a protest, and it does not change anything. I don’t see how anyone can look at what’s happened under Trump and not see that voting for Biden is necessary. Trump cannot be allowed to stay in power. Biden was far from my choice for the Democrat candidate but it’ll at least be trying to force him forward and not trying to prevent Trump and the republicans from pulling us back.
How do you know half the country isn't refusing to vote out of protest?
I can’t believe Natalie literally invented voting.
democracy was born today
Truly she is Solon born again
She just abolished bernie or bust, amazin
@@martingaggero8462 have you ever heard of Alden's number?
@@cg1906 Of course, i am doing a phd related to that number.
Wow. Listening to this again in 2024 July hits differently than the first time.
I thanked my co-supervisor for being so cool about me being trans and his response was 'watching ContraPoints does give some insight'. He recommended your channel to me months ago and knowing that he's a fan of you was one of the things that made me feel safe to come out to my coworkers. Thank you for existing! ^-^
thats beautiful aaa
This genuinely put a smile on my gay ass face, I needed to read something like this today, thx
Ok you convinced me to go vote, I really didn't want to but as usual, I agree with your views 1000%. Literally got up and drove to my polling place after this video.
Yaeyy
@Jesus Christ you don't know nothin, Jebus.
The world thanks you
@Jesus Christ yes it does, but it was also the right thing to do and you need to go do it to.
@Jesus Christ uhh...doesn’t your account counts as using his name in vain?
I'm pro "riden with Biden" to oust Trump. My one concern is people going back to sleep when he's gone, thinking ousting Trump is an end in itself rather than a start.
That's honestly what makes Biden pretty dangerous. Most of the people who say "we'll push him to the left after the election" won't do shit if he becomes president. They'll come up with any excuse and probably even write off any protests against Biden as white supremacists or Russian bots.
This is my worry too. After all, Trump might still be eligible for a second term later if he's voted out. And congress will likely still need a voting push too in another two years.
This isn't an issue with Biden primarily, but with the middle class in general. As soon as their status quo is somewhat safe, they'll continue to creep right to protect their own individual interests, leaving solidarity and common ethical purpose very much to the wayside.
I'm afraid that it will take a revolution - Economic, scientific and/or political - to break this pattern.
@SB BLM was established firmly in the Obama-Biden era. But they weren't on the mainstream radar because the media class was not looking to take them out the way they want to take out Trump who actually threatened their power and revealed the mask the ruling classes hide behind. Simply look back to the Clinton years, and compare it to the Bush years. Everything that is wrong exists all along, but only when the media ownership class decides to focus the plebians is any consciousness elevated. Be prepared for that fake synthetic politicians smile to cover over any concerning sounds while the actual rulers retrench.
Trump looks ugly, but he didn't create anything new, be just exposed what always was there, and attacking the symptom not only doesn't solve the problem, it often preceeds a greater problem. If people think that Trump is as bad as it can get, them they're deeply ignorant.
@SB Rallying against Trump is easy, for the same reason that right fringe nutcases use external threats to rally their troops - It's easy to fight a singular target, a representative of everything you think is wrong in society.
Now, while a lot of people may have recognised the danger of a madman in the White House, Trump or not, I don't think that nearly as many have taken even a second to consider the deeper implications of the Trump presidency: The socioeconomic structures that supported someone like Mr. Orange coming to power in the first place.
It will, as Nathalie said, take a titanic effort to break down the preconceptions of society - How it actually works, why it is like that, and why it doesn't need to be - and enthuse enough of the voter base to start a movement. We all will have to work our asses off to spread awareness, to take the debate. We have to take to the streets, not with weapon in hand, but to meet people, to hear them out, to discuss things.
Tangentially to this, I would make a prediction: If black people were on equal footing to white people, economically, but still were the victims of racism in all it's sickening hues, BLM would never have happened. Many of the people we have seen protesting this year would've been way too concerned about how it would affect themselves to do so, and/or have written off those concerned as hysterics, and those most affected by it as the typical right wing claptrap - Lazy, self-entitled, criminal, etc.
Heck, we don't even need to make this a hypothetical. There are plenty of black people who've managed to escape poverty and moved to areas where discrimination isn't as palpable or where their wealth shields them from most of it, and who saw an opening to make more money through shilling for the right fringe. It's sick when you think about it, but there it is: Black people throwing less fortunate black people under the proverbial bus for a right wing paycheque.
Just checking in to point out that Contra has been completely right about everything so far...
@It aint no thing Revolution is a change to the status quo. What Trumpists did wasn't revolution. It was a coup. They wanted a dictator. Communists and Anarchists want to liberate people from oppression
@@JB-bc2ry Yeah well... Anarchists have been warning communists for 150 years or more to watch out, y'know, that things could escalate quickly in the bad direction... Communists on the other hand, well... Let's just say for the moment they haven't made such a good impression... As I am leaning towards anarchy right now, I'm expecting to be deported during the next communist revolution... Well, that's life I guess!
@@Kyrielsh1 You do realize that communism and anarchism both plan for the dissolution of the current social order into a classless, moneyless, stateless society, and that neither group are genocidal maniacs and/or corrupt corporate elites like right wingers, right?
@@JB-bc2ry You do realize what happened between the Black Army of Ukraine and the Red Army of Russia in the early 20th century, don't you?
Gonna make a "Natalie Was Right" shirt to go with my "Magneto Was Right" shirt.
Watching this after the election is basically orgasmic
The "landscaping business" bit is beautifully ironic
Trading in one capitalist pig for another. We need to stop ideating and actually follow through with our threats. We're wasting time with "democracy"
@Alika Fifi Biden will not solve the fundamental problems in our society. We have a lot of things to do if we want even a tiny smidge of change.
@@JB-bc2ry That's what's we have been saying all along? Can't people feel a moment of relief after a feverish nightmare ended with voting a facist out.
@@justalostlocal The nightmare hasn't ended for those who are starving, freezing, suffocating from COVID, being bombed, etc. There is no relief for those people, and never will be until we blight Fascism and Capitalism from the world.
@@JB-bc2ry well, how about you start doing something about the fact that most people in the US don't agree with you politically first. Every successful revolution needs the support of the people. Otherwise it'll just end with a bunch of baby commies being shot in the face.
My hottest socialist take - who else zoomed on her bookmarks and is now trying to ALSO figure out the best way to Layer Curtains?
How much you wanna bet she loads up fake bookmarks just to mess with people?
lmk when you figure out
Gee, I always use whatever curtains my neighbors throw out.
...People throw out some of the best shit.
lmao
oh god I meant to crop it at least it's only that lol
When I saw the "ACAB" on Tabby's profile my first thought was that it stood for "Assigned Cat At Birth" until I remembered what it actually stood for.😂
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Commenting to help the algorithm because it's 2024 and this is even more relevant now.
On behalf of the rest of the world, please America, vote him out.
Still voting Trump.
We already saw how awesome voting power is in Bolivia. Now its Americas turn to kick out its fascists in power.
@@iant419 so you are against lgbtq? You are against basic human rights?
@@iant419 Trump is not a good ancap. Not trying to tell you who to vote but your avatar don't look like a trump supporter.
@@ellawilkinson6942 and there also all those important things.
seeing a contra video less than an hour long was a shock to the system
I'm guessing this was a side video made while still working on Justice part 2. There is a pretty hard deadline for getting a video on this topic out!
"this country is closer to some kind of violent uprising than its ever been in my life" that aged well!!
Watching this on the night after the far right stormed the capitol and were treated far more gently than college kids peacefully holding BLM signs have been. A tremendous amount of this is ringing true.
Which part? How voting for a bourgeoisie party will totally stave off fascism, rather than direct action, protesting, strikes, etc?
@@JB-bc2ry You can literally do both. You can vote to prevent the worse party from being in office, while still organizing, and doing direct action.
Both were riots..? Wtf?
@@JB-bc2ry well, specifically and especially the part that protests and revolution from the left is unlikely to be supported by the military/people with firepower, unlike the right, who have police connections and ex-military.
@@comradefreedom8275 Unfortunately there's no class conciousness in America, so our comrades who haven't fully come around will be conned into fighting on the grounds of the bourgeoisie parties, focusing entirely on reforms and voting in blue fascists
It is SO VERY HARD imagining a left-leaning person having the opportunity to outvote Trump and not doing so in order to own the libs... Here's a hug from a fellow citized from a fascist-led country who wants the best for you guys - but since the best is not available, you can start by voting Trump off.
Você por aqui!!! Amo seu canal ❤
The sad thing is I know A LOT of left-leaning people who have already voted for local elections and not the presidential election
Because 1: Trump isn't actually particularly bad, has been the least harmful President on a global scale in decades, 2: has been the least harmful Republican in decades. 3: Him being dumb, doesn't stop the fact that legislation wise, he's done nowhere near the harm to peoples lives as Joe "Patriot Act, Crime Bill, No Bankruptcy, Pro Dupont child rape, Iraq War" Biden.
Also voting is the only time really your voice matters in electoral politics. If you constantly just show "Yes I will vote for dogshit no matter what" they will never, ever give a fucking shit about you. It's amazing how "Moderates" actually have far more of a backbone when it comes to standing for their ideals than Leftists. If your moderate doesn't see a candidate that gives them anything they want, they just vote for the other guy or not vote, Leftists, always sheepdog themselves into reaffirming Neoliberalism no matter what, then go "BUT WE CAN PRESSURE THEM OUTSIDE THAT SYSTEM" really? You think you can pressure "Young people are entitled and I have no empathy for them" literally this campaign Joe Biden?
Seriously, honestly sickening. Especially since Joe Biden has literally more Bush Administration psychopaths on his transition team, than Democrats from the progressive faction, which guess what, he has zero. Good luck pressuring.
Also good luck pretending you're going to be against whatever war Biden fucking starts when you literally just gave a blank cheque for it. Especially as he's already talking about rebuilding the Obama Era state department, you know, the one that was literally run by the CIA.
@@KironVB "Trump isn't actually particularly bad, has been the least harmful President on a global scale in decades"
This statement alone is just patently false.
@@skepticmoderate5790 Name a single thing Trump has done worse than Libya/Syria/6 new wars, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, NAFTA, Desert Storm, Iran Contra, Guatemala. Oh right, Genocide of people elsewhere in the world doesn't matter. DRUMPF TALKS STUPID THAT IS THE WORST OFFENSE TO MY LIBCUCK MIND.
When people say activism is an alternative to voting I always think surely voting will determine what your activism will look like. Electing someone "less bad" means the work isn't spread thin between the endless issues that the more bad person will cause. Why not take action that will allow the activism to be more effective and focused.
@@GloomDept a lot of things have put us on the brink of fascism - among them, Trump being elected, which was helped in no small part by people refusing to vote for what they saw as the 'less bad' candidate.
White supremacy in America was never going to go quietly. That is the conflict that has put us on the brink of fascism. There is no alternate reality in which people refusing to vote for democrats over the past several decades somehow circumvented this reckoning. The question now is whether we give these people more power.
@@mrc3533 Well said Micheal.
People who are saying everything from "it doesn't matter if you vote" to outright "don't vote" either want Trump to win or are too young and/or stupid to see the obvious difference voting makes.
And Trump is most definitely a manifestation of white supremacy.
@@GloomDept spoken like a true white person
@@mrc3533 You are aware Biden spend most of his life hanging out with white supremacists? Because it sounds like you don't really know what you are talking about.
@@archvaldor Even IF that's true...a) so has Trump and b) at least Biden is not actively courting their opinions and votes
Rewatching this video in 2023, realizing that I had previously put a thumbs-down on it, because for some reason I didn't think that Contra would turn out to be 100% right about everything.
It really is insane to watch. I somehow had no idea in october of 2020 that people seriously anticipated january 6th. I remember that day really took me by surprise. i didn't expect him to go quietly, but I also didn't expect him to be bold enough for a violent insurrection.
@@markpeterson2042the ppl that went to prison are gonna get released on good behavior, hardened & with criminal contacts & possible neo-nazi connections….
The red flags🚩🚩🚩 are still waving every day. Overton window hasn't stopped yet. He threatens generals, says inflammatory statements daily, and gives away military secrets. VOTE 🇺🇸
one thing that people forget is the state and local elections as well. I had a chance to vote for several people on Texas's supreme courts, yes the state has 2 different ones. Everyone vote helps and not every law is passed in Washington.
Natalie Wynn just dommed me into voting using facts and logic
That's one way of putting it I guess
@@confusedowl297 that's an excellent way of putting it imo
The best dommes use a light touch ;)
I’ve always admired Natalie’s humor; I think her way of presenting this information can make people more comfortable listening and would be more effective in convincing them.
It did for me. I was totally gonna write in Bernie, but Contra convinced me to vote Biden with this video
Joseph Autumn People are really defensive about what they should or should not do, particularly with politics; presenting information in a serious manner can get through to people who actively seek out new information or different opinions, but it often doesn’t work for people who’ve already made up their minds. For this group of people, jokes work best because it gets them to let down their guard. When people take in new information under the assumption they don’t have to take it seriously, they don’t get defensive over their position being challenged and are ironically more likely to take it seriously. This is especially important because people tend to feel more strongly about a belief they had *after* they get defensive over it, whereas before they defended the idea they were marginally in favor of it.
#ContraPointsforPresident
Please do another video about the importance of this election. Can’t believe how well this video aged.
You know what didn't age? The children being killed by Biden's bombs
Tbh this video aged pretty poorly most of the things she said democrats wouldn’t do happened under Biden extra police funding oil drilling permits maybe not national but state by state policy against lqbtq and espically trans people with increasing anti trans sentiments and abortion restrictions on decent amounts of the country. Never mind fascism infecting more of the rights leaders then just trump like if ur constantly voting for one party cause u have to keep facism out aren’t you already in a dictatorship? The worst part is the democrats policy has honestly shifted kinda right and most of the left wing stuff they can’t do partly do to lack of investment
Nope. Genocide may not be a red line for you but it is for the vast majority of decent folk
I do want to know her thoughts on protest voting and the electoral college, I think a sequel would be interesting. Especially with the war on Palestine. Now that that has happened it doesn't seem like lesser evil just, type one evil vs. type two evil.
@@C.H.-wo1ih I don't think her opinion has changed at all
God, She's emotionally drained and you can feel it
As are we all
If it helps, seeing the Democrats half-hearted response to the rise of fascism has made me a committed socialist. I prefer to stand by the kinds of folks that were counter-protesting the fascists at Charlottesville. I can trust them (and admittedly radlibs like SURJ and a number of left-leaning church groups, credit where credit is due, but still)
Trump summed it nicely : If you elect Biden, he'll listen to scientists.
It's darkly hilarious that he thought he was making a point against Biden...
Biden will listen to BLM's front figures (far-right marxists), criminals, and those who don't deserve to live in America due to their horrific actions. Biden will let China and Iran sponsor terrorism without penalties, and abuse America. But leftist americans don't care about this, it's brushed under the rug or seen as a feature.
@@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1 neither one of these options is ideal. Thats the reality here. Both of them are bad. Both parties want to take sole control over everything with little concern for the people they're supposed to be serving. So we have to just blindly throw darts in the dark and hope to god we hit the right target
@@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1 It's amazing how democrats can pick the most conservative candidate in the party to run for president, and rightwingers still make him out to be some far left puppet. The world is nonsense, I'm so tired.
@@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1 1) If you think only your clique live to deserve in your country, you're most like a fascist 2) Trump hasn't done *anything* to temper the riot except telling white supremacists to "stand by". He's already proven useless in this situation. Biden has already offered solution to help quell the anger behind the protests. 3) Trump has applauded the Chinese concentration camp and generally stan Winny the Flu hard, another situation he's proven inept to handle. Also the Chinese government are absolutely evil but what terrorism do they sponsor? 4) There was a process in place to handle Iran, a deal so they would stop their nuclear research. It was going well against guess who stumbled into it and fucked it up. He has not been able to offer any constructive alternative.
Let's face it, most of the garbage you spouted comes from sources like Tucker Carlson, who by his own lawyer's admission shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone sane.
He actually said that?
VOTE NYAAAAAA 😻
You know shit is serious when pups are meowing to get people voting.
@@neyo231 oh my god. Didn't even think of that 🤣 Just thought "favs supporting favs". Thanks for this comment 💗 A little joy in this hell scape (or hellscape.. whatever) :)
Dogs Cats and Ponys all coming together.
Here are some reasons why you *SHOULDN'T* vote for Biden, because I feel like Contrapoints was missing on a lot of nuance:
- Working outside the state framework is what sets us apart from other socialists. It's kind of our thing.
- Voting doesn't work. That is, it has proven to be ineffective for bringing about the type of radical change anarchists strive for.
- *Voting signals agreement with the status quo.* The stronger voting becomes in the minds of others as a legitimate form of democratic participation, the less legitimate other forms will be (direct action, etc.). *It placates people and makes them think they've done their duty, and this ends up actually reducing the likelihood of actual radical change*. Ironically, voting has normalized the expansion of state-power so much that it is now literally beyond any actual democratic control via voting.
- As Emma Goldman put it, *"participation in elections means the transfer of one's will and decisions to another, which is contrary to the fundamental principles of anarchism."*
- *Electoral success has a corrupting effect on even radical candidates.* Once in office, the nature of the state apparatus requires either failure or *compromise on key goals in order to succeed with small reforms, watering down and ultimately neutering their efforts as they become part of the system.*
- We understand that abstaining from voting may result in more right-wing politicians winning elections; however, that doesn't mean that our alternative to voting is doing nothing. Again, Emma Goldman: "*if the Anarchists were strong enough to swing the elections to the Left, they must also have been strong enough to rally the workers to a general strike, or even a series of strikes.*"
- There are so many other tactics and strategies that are more effective that we could be working on instead. Successful electioneering is a time-consuming, resource-intensive undertaking. It does divert precious hours and energy away from radical projects.
Also, I guess many of my friends are not black now since they won't vote for Biden: th-cam.com/video/We6Qr9-dDn8/w-d-xo.html and this is according to Biden's view, by the way. Did you also know that Obama started an *ILLEGAL* war in Libya? Destroying a *SOCIALIST* country under Gaddafi? Obama-led drone strikes kill innocents (children and civilians) 90% of the time, according to this report: www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/15/90-of-people-killed-by-us-drone-strikes-in-afghani/
*Joe Biden also championed the Iraq war.* As a Palestinian, I can't with good conscious support any of these candidates. They're all Zionists, and support AIPAC. But Trump has at least been better on foreign policy (and I'm not saying he's good in absolute terms, but here's why he's better on foreign policy:)
- *First president since Carter to not start a new war.*
- *Pulling troops out of Afghanistan.*
- *Pulling troops out of Syria, and Iraq*
- *Erased ISIS from the map.*
- Outreach to North Korea. Kim Jong-Un is no longer a total hermit, will lose face internationally if he does something that could harm the U.S.
- Energy independence from Middle East.
- Barked at OPEC to release more oil, when gas prices were getting too high.
- *Got NATO countries to foot their bill. Pressuring NATO allies to increase their defense spending.*
- *Genuine attempt to reset China trade relationship. The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) was designed in 2016 to be almost China-proof.*
- Troop realignment in Europe/drawdown in Germany
- *Baghdadi assassination*
Biden built the cages.
Biden wrote the crime bill.
His administration dropped more bombs in the middle east than any other administration.
His administration deported more people than any other administration.
He is beholden to capital.
It's this constant liberal argument that THIS time you HAVE to vote blue. Biden is responsible for more reprehensible shit and death than Trump is. He has more blood on his hands. Trump says the quiet part out loud, but they serve the same interests.
All of congress is bought out by banks, weapon manufacturers, oil barons, corporate lobbyists, big pharma & other special interest groups. The longer we pretend that voting is actually doing anything, the harder it will be to obtain real change.
People saying this aged like milk apparently completely forgot how miserable the Trump years were and think having him back wouldn’t be that bad while he’s openly promising to end democracy
What about this video aged well to you?
And they're conveniently ignoring Project 2025
Aged like milk because Biden was farther to the Left and did better than this video expected.
@@fitzhadha it’s honestly really depressing how in hindsight conservative Obama was.
Like why is the crotchety old man who was BFFs with Strom Thurmond, and can barely speak more progressive on social issues, climate, and infrastructure!
No kidding. For the sake of the Supreme Court alone, Trump needs to be kept 1000miles away from the White House
I can't believe Natalie single-handedly destroyed Donald Trump
th-cam.com/video/r8Y-P0v2Hh0/w-d-xo.html
@@kittykittybangbang9367 and? that video is how he used memes. it's not much of a political analysis
@@lacanian1500 I know, but I just wanted to show a Theory as to how Trump got elected.
I can believe it.
Lol welp that did not age well. Twitter files anyone?
TRUMP WAS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING.
I was persuaded. I didn't want to vote however the arguments presented are.....super valid OwO. So I will vote. I could have kept this information private however I am not ashamed to say that I was wrong in thinking that my vote didn't matter. People can change & we can change if we allow ourselves to be open. Let's hope our vote shall lead to better future for us all. Thank you Nyyyaatalie ❤️
your vote absolutely matters, even if you feel like it doesn't.
Last presidential election only 56% of eligible voters did so. You can absolutely help change the world if you vote!
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Democrats win when more people vote. Republicans will find ways to destroy votes and Drumph will make things much worse. PLZ vote to statistically offset the horrendous system we have, for that is the easy part that you know is more likely to work than whatever else you are planning. (but seriously also do something else even if it may fail as well)
good work Zuff
I’m so glad! Also, you were purrsuaded?
I was Bernie or bust for a while because I didn't want to vote for someone who didn't represent my beliefs. But I've since learned that it's better to treat this election like a move in a game of chess rather than an endorsement of a candidate. It's about choosing your enemy. And I'd rather have Joe Biden as my enemy instead of Trump.
Historically this is how progress has been made in the past when it comes to politics. Not by electing great leaders necessarily but by electing leaders and creating a groundswell of public pressure for those leaders to do the right thing.
Politics is a bottom-up game moreso than a top-down game.
Basically the republicans need to get their metaphorical shit kicked in this election to send a message. As things have gone they've allowed themselves to shift further right and get more and more blatant with their shenanigans and been rewarded for it. They need to be crippled as a party for an election cycle to try to force them to adjust the party away from the extremes they're embracing since the Tea Party and QAnon pushed them ever rightward
@@elshizzo Name one example
@mike biggums based
I guess the right wing really were closer to intent than ideation
In New Zealand we just re-elected Jacinda Ardern of the labour party to a second 3 year term, the first time since we have had MMP that a party has a majority of seats in parliament, the right wing was absolutely crushed in the election and it was an amazing feeling, I'm so happy. I hope Americans can also enjoy that amazing feeling of firing a terrible government come this election. But it's a shame that politics in the USA is so right wing, even the Democrats would be considered right leaning if they were in New Zealand
The American political system is extremely right wing when compared to most developed nations. Most of their "extreme left-wing" politicians would be considered centrist or moderately liberal here in Canada
Also know we leftists all across the world envy you kiwis right now. I do hope we can get AOC elected President soon enough. We just need more of the Cold War generation to die off. Eisenhower and Reagan era propaganda melted their brains and they're too far gone to sway.
i'm happy too but like,, we have so much further to go on many things. jacinda put a lot of work in to appeal to centrists, and the Nats entirely falling to pieces helped her out. if she chooses not to work with the Greens, it's unlikely we'll see much progress that actively helps trans people, migrants, and people in poverty. that being said, i am 100% glad we don't have the sheer scale of right-wing populist bullshit that the US and UK do.
US Politics is so right-wing that even when Democrats are completely in control of the government and have supermajorities in both legislative houses they still bend over backwards to cater to Republicans. I agree and understand a lot of Natalie's points in this video but she does gloss over that aspect which is exactly why we have doomer 20 year olds who are so disillusioned they would let fascists win to own the libs. Our libs are the worst, most smug assholes who punch exclusively leftward.
@@thebrainsquid But still better than the GOP, it makes a big difference. Also we are talking about Democrats in federal politics not in states where they differ. A Democrat in Oregon will typically be way more progressive than one in Louisiana. Oregon Democrats are seeing support for drug decriminalization can campaign finance reform and Dems in Mass. are getting RCV on the ballot.
Orange is sus. Vote him out.
Underrated comment
What's a sus 😳
@@LO-gg6pp Sus is short for suspicious, it is a reference to a game called Among Us where you run around with friends trying to repair your space ship and get ready to launch, but some of the group are randomly traitors that are sabotaging things and killing off people. You get to vote to kick people off the ship and everyone has to try to deduce who the traitors are.
@@Waywardpaladin cheers m8
Never does any tasks and made fun of brown after they were killed.
Please vote for the neoliberal over the fascist. The whole world has to live under the US president. Love from not-the-US
Trump is, arguably, less of an interventionist than democrats and republicans alike. the lincoln project is filled by the warmongering monsters that lead to iraq. Of course Trump is such a pathetic leader he can't even keep his promise to stop intervention. so whatevs I guess.
@@rotciv1486 it goes both ways. The lack of intervention has many negative effects - Trump won't cooperate on global issues ranging from military conflicts to climate change and other environmental and social ones.
@@rotciv1486 it doesn't matter. i'm not in the US, and interventionism is just one of the many, many reasons we are shit-scared of the US under Trump, among which includes bloody WW3 with Iran, China or North Korea. Vote him out, please.
Exactly, that's why I'm voting for trump
@@tomasbeli7279 same here, I find him a morally repugnant and disgusting man, but he is still not as much of a war criminal imperialist hawk as biden. Liberals up in america, Nataly included, need to take the blinders off regarding who is evil here.
At first I thought the ACAB in Tabby's profile was 'assigned cat at birth.'
Isn't it supposed to mean this though?
@@a-pathetic no...
me too!
What does it actually mean
@@salarmajak1209 it means all cops are bastards
I've been telling my american friends since 2016 that Bernie was the best option. It is a shame that just by having socially directed politics he was persived as a cuban communist dictator.
Although congratulations on your results.
That's what's scary cause Bernie in no Ways Is radical(he's SocDem) but if Bernie gets thought of as that,then what would a socialist have to do to even get accepted by the mass? Cause if people feel like that about Bernie,they are gonna have an heartattack if they see actual radicals
Fidel was a hero, and was not a dictator.
I'm really looking forward to the Delaney Presidency.
Same
Also ayyye it’s hello future me
Delaniacs rise up.
same
Delaney was the compromise, Jared Polis is the vanguard of the liberal revolution!
(but more importantly we need to kick out the fascist)
For those who are still on the fence about voting: My literal life and hundreds of thousands of others in this country are dependent off of Biden winning. I’m a DACA recipient and my only legal pass here is in dire danger of being revoked by the Trump administration every few months. All I know is America, all I love is America. It’s kind of gross actually because I cry during the national anthem and seriously worship the land in a way that makes born-Americans look at me weird. I’m a law-abiding person who wishes with all of her heart to be able to vote, to be able to not feel like all of my contributions to this country aren’t in vain. It’s sad because Im probably being entitled, I know I don’t “deserve” to be here and I’m getting a “temporary guest pass” at most-but being sent back to my birth country will put me in severe harms way-the reason we ran away from it in the first place. What I’m asking here really is for you to look inside of yourself to please re-consider your vote. We DACA recipients contribute millions and millions to the economy and we create jobs every day! We have so much to offer, so much love and gratitude. Please consider us when you’re looking at your ballot. Im literally begging you to please re-consider. If Trump strips us of our protection most of us will not be able to receive federal aid for college, travel within the country, get a job legally, buy a car from a dealership and a myriad of other things you can freely do. We grew up with you, we speak your language and understand your humor. You wouldn’t have known we were immigrants any other way unless we tell you. We’re Americans too, but we don’t have a voice-we’re not granted that immense luxury. I beg of you to re-consider your vote for Trump. I beg of you to re-consider abstaining from voting. Please.
Edit: I want to thank all of the extremely lovely messages I’ve been getting in the comment section. You’re all incredibly wonderful human beings and I wish I could pay the kindness forward. Thank you for listening to my plea without judgment. I hope you are all safe, warm, and your bellies full and may you rest peacefully. There are real consequences to this election. Real lives put in danger. I hope we can buy ourselves some more time.
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boosting this, this is so important for people to hear. I'm sorry you feel like you don't deserve to be here, you do, you deserve so much more comfort and security than you're getting
I will always, always vote for this reason. My very first friend in college was a DACA recipient, and he convinced me to vote in 2012, when I was 18 and both politically and socially ignorant. He told me that he would give anything to be able to vote. The results of the election could change his whole life, and he didn't get to have any say. So, even though my conservative upbringing still had its hooks in me, I voted for Obama because I wanted to help my friend. He and his family have gone through so much fear and uncertainty these last four years. Biden wasn't my first choice, but of course I voted for him. It would be the height of disrespect to the thousands of DACA recipients and undocumented people in this country to throw my vote away!
Jojo, you are as much of an American - and probably more so - than any of us born here. In your love and appreciation for this country I see the possibility of hope: that we can all work together to actually make America great (for the first time) by living up to the principles we profess: liberty & equality. You deserve to be here, and I will absolutely vote, and only for candidates who feel the same way. Best of luck to you, and to us all, and eff Trump and the entirety of the GOP.
love how 23 mins is considered a short video for contrapoints
It's only 4.5 Sargons.
This has nothing to do with voting, but seeing Natalie take of her mask made me think about how literally no one in my area is wearing one anymore. It's just me and my family. It sucks that during a global pandemic we're the ones that are the odd ones out for taking reasonable precautions like wearing masks and carrying sanitizer
Just hide in your house, that's why all the channels calling out this worldwide plandemic are shut down. The MSM is the flunky to keep everyone scared and weak, look up Jamie Dlux, Thescariestmovieever, enterthestars, richiefromboston, or anyone who actually follows the money. If you think the globalists care about regular sheeple, you better think again. You ain't seen nothin yet
@@ennuiblue4295 no.
@@ennuiblue4295 : Those channels are shut because they are dangerous to the public for spreading mass false information. They promote the idea that the comfort of those who dislike wearing masks and taking responsibility for their freedom by being supportive of the freedom of others (even to just live), is more important than actual lives.
@@ennuiblue4295 I love this rightist notion of "globalism" as a boogeyman...oh no, the concept of a world where all countries work together and share resources and the United Nations has actual power....that would be...terrible...for some reason?
I live in California and people are barely doing it here. I live in an artist collective warehouse and I'm literally the only person in the whole warehouse doing it out of like 20-30 people. The other disabled person here was basically hounded out for complaining about it potentially killing her.
You know what? I feel called out. And rightly so. It's easy to yell "revolution" in my Instagram story but the reality of politics and political change is very slow and tedious and often also boring. I also have no patience at all left for actual discourse or reaching out to people. I'm so tired and burnt out. So i flee into revolutionary ideation to make myself feel superior. Huh. Got schooled by a pretty lady today, 10/10 would watch again.
Here is what helps me with political burnout. Relax, take a breath, walk away from it all for a few days. The most important thing as an activist is your health, to live a happy life. Take care of yourself.
True , political change is slow and this will always remain like that, even when we don't radically change our socioeconomic system which will lead to a collapse of the ecological system. It is almost like material reality necessitates radical change.... But don't mind me, I am just am idealist communist
You dropped this 👑
Pathetic, spoiled, narcissist, social media junkies.
We scream revolution because we'll be dead or in chains before any change happens. And when Biden wins (and I hope he does) well have someone worse than Trump in 4 years and the blood war will still happen.. most likely right after the election.
I love how even the most pessimistic anticipations for what Twump will do don't even measure up to what he'll end up doing- Like I knew he was gonna throw a tantrum when he lost, but claiming voter fraud AND THEN basically goading his trumpets to commit terrorism on his behalf? Now that's wild
"And in effect, edgy leftists who complain about both sides and do nothing are no different from edgy centrists who complain about both sides and do nothing."
This perfectly articulates something I've been thinking about a lot lately but hadn't managed to put into words.
You must have a very limited vocabulary if such a bait-y reductionist take wow you this much.
A short and straight forward video like we're not used to. We can feel that the urgency of the situation prevails over the aesthetic. That's how we know that the dark mother cares.
What I love about the Australian electoral system is that it differs from the American system in that I can vote for my ideological third party and then when they inevitably don't get elected, my second preference, the Not Quite As Bad party, gets my vote.
big fan. and this whole insight into non compulsory voting is very bizarre for me. i love wandering down to the primary school down the street and getting a sausage, 9 hour queues who?
Well...it's actually different because you don't elect the Head of State.
She's born into her posision and when she leaves us her son becomes King.
@@genmaicha.lapsang Your comment has, like, nothing to do with mine. Did you reply to the wrong comment?
@@Asynca agreed!
It's not perfect (and the greens certainly aren't either) but gee it's so much better than the mess that is America's system.
Why does watching this in 2024 make it all worse?
Its official. Natalie has surpassed blair wh- i mean- tiffany tumbles in subs !!!
vanessa is loosing subs at an astounding rate and im just like- SHE HAD IT COMIN 🎶🎶
Oh no gorg
Specially after Vanessa got in hot water for lying about another trans person and lost like 10000 subscribers.
Ana Iglesias oh shit, who did she lie about?
@@anaiglesias9972 spill
I’ve had to talk to people who have literally said, “Why is there so much animosity among Asian countries? They’re all Asian!”
🤦🏾♀️
One might as well ask why Europeans were slaughtering each other for the past few thousand years until very recently.
Oof
Asian animosity is nothing compared with the red/blue divide.
@@albertbatfinder5240 I disagree. Though it depends which flavour of Asian you're talking about.
@@albertbatfinder5240 I disagree, it is way worse.
Seriously, this isn't an internal thing in the USA... these elections will severely shape a lot us who don't live in the US but will be impacted by your vote (or refusal to vote)... I think it is ridiculous that one country has so much economic, military, "soft", political, whatever power to screw the rest of the world over but that is where we are. In South Africa, I work at a non-profit, and Trump has been a disaster... and honestly, I don't understand having the option of casting a vote and not taking it... the rest of us will be impacted by your (in)decision as well
yeah man, US foreign policy can change the lives of those who've never even stepped into the US before. that's the unfortunate influence of America on the rest of the world
I would argue trump has been (inadvertently) better than past presidents when it comes to foreign policy. He has been less prone to war than Obama and Bush. I feel Hillary would have gotten the US into another occupation. Trump's incompetent state department has thankfully failed to coup Venezuela, the Bolivia coup they helped looks like it's going to be reversed, and in Brazil Lula, whom Obama helped imprison, has been freed. He deescalated with North Korea. His actions on Iran and Syria, as well as his support of Saudi Arabia's Yemen genocide have been awful no doubt. But I mean even Canada is helping genocide the Yemeni people, what expectations can you have of the cruel US?
Another south African echoing the statement. Nearly everything the US does effects other countries. After 11/9 (fuck yawl putting the month first) if our ports didn't follow your near TSA like insanity we'd have trade restricted with the US. Third world countries don't have money to dump on security theatre, ineffective but intimidating security.
@@doofkhwetty is not even intimidating it's just irritating.
You Canadian? Cuz you sound like me 🤣
I am from Canada, but will vote despite that.
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Kings and generals loves voting lol
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What Contra was probably saying: Revolution is highly unlikely and so we should try and do what we can with what is available to us, such as voting, protesting, unionising and giving to mutual aid.
What I'm hearing: arm the cat-girls and put them in regiments, FOR THE REVOLUTION!
As I understand it, her stance is: "revolution takes time, and right now we absolutely need to yeet the fash who is currently in office, otherwise we'll never get the revolution off the ground anyway".
So for sure, arm the catgirls, because there is no reason to give up on revolution just because we're forced to vote for neolibs.
Catgirl guerilla warfare ftw!
Vote to buy time and distract your enemies from the fact your arming the catgirls.
Revolution is highly unlikely because, if we're being perfectly realistic, look at what your attempt at revolution has gotten you this year? It's gotten you a bunch of domestic terrorist burning cities to the ground to "own" the other group of domestic terrorists. Both groups of domestic terrorists are openly avowed by the politicians on their respective sides of the isle. It's an abject shit show. The bottom line is this : revolution is virtually impossible because violence is utterly ineffective at triggering it in 2020; it has to come from policy instead and the people who have vested interests in being anti-revolution are the ones capable of making said policy.
This is unironically the correct take away here tbh
Thank you for making this video. I think there are a lot of people on the left who are numb to how awful Trump is.
Some get lost in the maze of false equivalencies and it becomes almost impossible to snap them out of it....I voted for Bernie in the primary....and I early voted for Biden in the general.... elections have consequences.
That’s not true. Love ur music tho!
the man himself is here
Meaning that there are a lot of privileged leftists who can afford to basically don't contribute to anything changing because they are not very impacted.
And there will be a lot of people on the "left" who will be numb to how awful biden is, but who cares the left is already dead until 2028 at the latest
Rewatching in light of the last few weeks - you are prescient as always. You've been wonderful and brave to share your whole journey, your intelligence and humility (yes, I mean that) shines through everything you do, and your ability to just talk sense in a so very human way, is such a light. I wish you had a bigger voice even than this. Thank you
cosign
Thank you for reminding us how small Twitter actually is in the grand scheme
Take advice from a Russian - vote while you still can and while you know that they gonna count your vote.
Straight to the point, thank you.
Take the advice from a Polish person as well. Our government tried to organize illegal elections already.
@@DamianOchramowicz Poland really needs some help
And really fill in the ballot, and fill in both sides (they print stuff on the other side of the page). Biden needs the House & Senate to actually pass progressive legislation
we have no idea if they will count the vote lol
"I'm standing at point A (a place without all the tings I want) and I want to get to point B (a place with all the things I want). But I wont move towards point B! If I cant teleport there immediately, I wont move from this spot! Also, I'm gonna ignore that if I dont move at all, point A drifts further and further away from point B."
This is literally their position kill me
The problem is that the right is more organized than the left, They fall in line, obey, and even more their people do as they are told. The left is a chaotic pile of bullshit because "everyone needs a voice" and "every thought is valid" so when push comes to shove the right will do the dirty work and the left collapses. This is because the people no longer want what the leaders want (we want a giant social net which will cost rich people a lot, but the leaders just want their own stuff). Things will only get worse until the poison in the democrat party is removed.
To be fair, I don't think Biden is going to be moving the country towards the left. For all the GOP talking points, he and his backers have probably done more suppression of the left than the GOP have this election cycle.
Having said that, Biden and the libs have to at least pretend to want some of the same things as the left. Trump and the right don't care what the left thinks, or might do the exact opposite if only to spite them.
So an accurate analogy might be not so much, 'Because I can't immediately get to my destination, so I won't take a step foward'.
And more 'Well I can't see any path to my destination, so I'm not even going to try and hold my current position, I'll just let the forces that be drag me further away from what I want'.
I agree with your sentiment in logic, but I think this represents more accurately how the actual left see Biden.
In the end, when all options are bad, choosing the less bad option is probably still better than just letting the even worse option happen.
Unfortunately abstraction and logic escapes the people that need it the most.
I get hating incremental changes because once you get half of step one the people in power act like you're unreasonable for asking for the rest of step on or heaven forbid step two. But at the same time if you are an anti-incrementalist or an accelerationist you either haven't given much thought to the marginalized people who have the worst odds of making it to your utopian society, that or you might not care that the people creating this new world are gonna be pretty white, cis, straight, healthy, and able bodied.
Hello 2024, same story again.
So, in summary, don't call yourself an anti-fascist if you're not willing to do the bare minimum and vote them out.
Yes.
@@theliberation9061 the Soviet Union was socialist
@Di Fox "Calls to save Burger government legitimacy through voting are sad to see."
many americans already don't vote, turnout has been around 50% since the 70s
how long does the process take, in your view?
@Di Fox You arguments are weird and your love of the USSR makes you sound like a Russian bot.
Bernie didn't win because old people are scared by him , the median eligible voter age is 45, and senior citizens are the most reliable voters. Meanwhile senior citizens literally live by the grace of the stock market, so they give capital huge voting power. And like the video said- old people also don't tweet so you might not know that they are OP in US politics.
Republicans have admitted for 40 years that the more voters turn out, the worse they do. I literally just got an email from the Independent Institute titled Terrible Public Policy saying "Why do so many government policies violate the consensus views of professional economists? One reason is that the public at large doesn’t benefit directly from becoming well informed about the issues". If you hear people want you to vote, it's only because you listen to liberals. Conservative politicians actively try and stop people form voting.
Basically- your USSR comparisons are interesting, but also keep in mind the US has its own power structures in place. And voting matters here.
How do you "vote out fascists", when the only two viable choices are fascists?
Between the bathtub in 'Cancelling' and the multiple retiling jokes in this, I'm detecting an ongoing B-plotline of the escalating issues Natalie is having with her bathroom. Possibly ending when they find the corpse all up in the wall Allen-Poe style
We haven’t seen Tiffany Tumbles in a minute
Jordan Peterson's remains are in the linen cupboard, his veins full of chunking milk.
@@fruitygarlic3601 his large intestine bulging with impacted grass-fed beef
Even going back to the deleted videos there was a LOT of stuff filmed in the bathroom.
Sup Contra-Queen, fellow T here. I figured I'd throw a couple of my favorite quotes in the comments here. First one is:
“Voting isn’t marriage, it’s public transport. You’re not waiting for “the one” who’s absolutely perfect: you’re getting the bus, and if there isn’t one to your destination, you don’t not travel- you take the one going closest.” -unkown
Currently Biden will get us closest. We know the work won't end with Biden. However, it'll be a step in the right direction which is better than the log flume of diarrhea that is the Trump administration.
My second quote for you is from one of our old presidents. THE NUKE JAPAN ONE!
In President Harry's Truman's remarks in Syracuse, New York on October 10, 1952, he said this:
"Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.
Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.
Socialism is what they called farm price supports.
Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.
Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.
Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.
When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all.
What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means."
history has a left-leaning bias
science has a left-leaning bias
@@transsexual_computer_faery Too bad that doesn't matter outside of comment-thread discussions.
Vote Blue for the House & Senate, fill in both sides of the ballot
@@transsexual_computer_faery i dunno, i wouldn't call race theorists particularly left, or the way American history is taught in school or Americans remember their history...
I think the quote is from Vaush- unless he was quoting someone else lol