One important thing to note is that oracles ult not only delays damage and healing, but doubles the healing amount done during the time (allowing oracles heals etc to go off and have an effect since they are over time - the damage is applied but gets doible healing for every instance)
When you use your ult on allies using oracle. You can see how much was the dmg was done to that ally by checking above their heads. When it's fiery the dmg is like big, when it's not fiery most likely that ally will live. So as oracle you use your ult and do your best to not let that ally die by using a lot of healing spells to negate all the dmg that came in.
The stuff going on above the head isn't an indication of imminent death. It's an indicator of zero HP for the target for damage taken. This is before heals and the heal amplification numbers kick in. The tooltip in the game isn't very helpful so I can see why you think it's a death indicator.
To be a little more comprehensive about how Oracle’s Ult works: It stores information; it takes into account damage taken, as well as healing received. It doubles healing the target gains. At the end of the duration it will check to see which is higher, damage taken or healing received. If damage wins it, the target takes that damage. If healing is higher, the target is healed for that amount. You can tell if which is higher at the moment based on the orb above their head. Fiery Orb means damage, shiny gold orb means heal.
@@YinC4 I don't like the double gates, watchers, xp runes, tormentors, bigger map... well... i guess the map in general, and I don't like universal heroes. The rest, I'm fine with. Nerfing CC and the bkb is also a hit, but less game breaking than not being able to ward/sentry the map as needed, and having too many objectives to track. I don't want to play HOTS, there's a reason that game died!
@@TZAR_POTATO Doubles gates are fine imo considering TPs are already in the game, watchers just replace outpost vision with free wards to force small combats instead of having passive stalemates over vision, I don't know what's wrong with xp runes other than their placement they're effectively there to replace tome so the support has more net worth that they're usually already lacking immensely in, the tormentors add a good new fight purpose other than Rosh and also exist to help the Supports who struggle with net worth as they can get a free shard and encourage good team play by map control as a wipe means you can take the enemy tormentor if your team is coordinated. Universals are there due to the characters being neutered by their main stat so the universal stat means they have that viability open. Many of the characters in universal were detrimental by having to build around a main stat as if they focused a secondary they'd lose out on damage and if they focused on their main stat they'd be heavily. There's an incorrect funny chart (yet still makes sense to a degree) of it on the Dota subreddit of effectively there were STR heroes who built INT for spell spam, INT heroes who built AGI for attack speed, 50/50 stat characters, INT heroes who build STR for needed survivability, etc etc. You really only need to track Roshan as Tormentor is just a net worth boost to supports and the other objectives are more just free vision access. Still nowhere near close to some of the HotS objectives in terms of importance. I for one am sad that HOTS "died" as it was a lot more unique as an experience in terms of MOBAs but there was too much teamwork not enough solo for most people I guess, the objectives were just big teamfights effectively. The game isn't dead it's just not LoL and Dota 2 still got a few hundred thousand players in EU. It sucks to see people shit on HOTS because it tried to be different.
I know this is late but if you can see in Oracle's Ult that bright orange above the hero where Oracle used his ult, it means that hero's health will bring into 0, but since Oracle's ult has 100% amplified heal during the duration, it is not a guaranteed kill. HOWEVER, if enough damage is applied, that hero will die instead of being healed. But if you spam all healings to that hero for the duration of the False Promise (Oracle's ult), that hero will live.
@@TZAR_POTATO it's really not accurate, true. By the way, thanks for the vid. I just discovered your channel and it really is amazing for someone to compare the game without bias. Keep up the good work 😁👌🏼
Oracle is a much more complex hero that you could literally lead your team to losing if you don't understand how his spells are being used, but is a great team saving support that always guaranteed to lead the team to winning if spells timing is right. Oracle is a support that you don't quite see in low rank but always being spammed on high rank due to his op abilities that could do tons of nuke to the enemy and always saves allies.
@@sincskent imagine saying oracle is hard hero in the like of arc, meepo and invoker And saying other herald Yeah playing oracle must be very hard Skill 1 is harras+purge+root Skill 2 can disarm enemy in cost of giving them 100 magic ressist Skill 3 is harras( can be use tto help deny creep)+heal Ult is like kunkka ult delaying damage (double the amount of heal) Yeah that hero must be very hard to play
@@RuRu0091 im assuming he means that mechanically the hero might not be difficult to play compared to arc, meepo, and invoker, but the hero does require a lot of game sense because you can easily mess up your team which adds to why the hero is very difficult and is not seen in low elo. Another similar hero that is not mechanically difficult but requires a ton of game sense is winter wyvern because of the problem of spells that can fuck up your teammates if used incorrectly. Another similar hero is bard which is very easy to play but again can mess up the team with his ult.
I am a Big Oracle Player, I love challenge and critical thinking. In Dota there is always something you could have done better. Oracle has alot of combos with in his own abilities. Spamming nukes on an enemy and then purging the heal as soon as you can after. or on the other end Disarming and making my ally magic Immune either saving them from an enemy magic attack or allowing myself to use my nuke on them with only the healing actually taking place.
to understand what DOTA 2 heroes are divided into, you need to look at the counter-parties in WoW and you'll understand that for example Ancient Apparition is not a ghost but elemental consciousness of end of the universe the total cold
There are easy hero, advance hero, and hard or expert hero. And there also hero that require you to have PhD like Invoker, Oracle, Meepo, Arch Warden, And Earth Spirit. (Ok maybe Meepo and AW not so bad if you customize your settings) Do Invoker next please 🥺 I wonder who you compare him to
Idk how hard is to play support If ur core got gank and u just standing without any attempt to save him u are a faillure If ur core got beat up in lane and u have 80% of ur hp u are a failure If u pull side camp when enemt creep wave its on their way to ur tower u are a failure And buy a damn solar crest its an amazing item for the price
You have to do more research on the dota side. Oracle's Ult DOUBLES the effectiveness of healing while it is active. So it doesn't "delay death." It prevents death by making healing twice as valuable for up to 10 seconds on the target.
@TZAR POTATO it does not delay death. It stops all damage and all healing from affecting the hero. Then, at the end, it adds up both the damage and twice the healing and sets the health of the hero to that number. If that number is below 0, they will die. It has does not affect death what so ever.
@Peace Pham nope. Delaying death is how dazzle works or tryndamere in league. If you're at full hp and oracle ults hpyou, your hp never moves. It has nothing to do with death. Your hp just can't change until it's over. Dazzle and tryndamere set a minimum that your health can not go under, this delaying death. You can still heal during a ln effect that delays health. That's entirely how those two abilities work. You stop from dying and then heal right before it ends to live and fight on.
@@TZAR_POTATO If you look at the Clarity of the Crystal Path set. You can see Oracle's ears. So I assumed that Sven has the same ears due to his mask shape. Also the Alluvion Prophecy (the Ball of Water weapon cosmetic) talks about Oracle's own fate about being deep into the sunken realms. Not 100% concrete but I think it makes sense.
Oracle's ultimate also counts double the amount of healing. If a character was dealt a fatal amount of damage while he was in ultimate, but then Oracle threw a healer there, then the character survives. So this is not only a reprieve, but also a chance to be saved. For example, after fatal damage, you can make a TP to the base and thereby heal without dying. Oracle's ultimate also counts double the amount of healing. If a character was dealt a fatal amount of damage while he was in ultimate, but then Oracle threw a healer there, then the character survives. So this is not only a reprieve, but also a chance to be saved. For example, after fatal damage, you can make a TP to the base and thereby heal without dying. The difference between healing and damage received is taken into account. If the damage is more than the hero’s healing and health during the ult period, he will die. If not, the character will survive.
The entire section about shields is COMPLETELY outdated at this point in time. DOTA added a couple new items with barriers, and, a few new items with barriers, and added a UI element to it
He probably meant Oracle, but he is right. Playing oracle is not even close to what you described in this video. The basic concept of an oracle is to combine spells. Each spell is average in itself and has its positive and negative effect. To play a hero well you have to know when and how to combine spells. For example if you want to heal a teammate, you need to cast shield on him, then nuke him with dmg/heal ability. shield will negate damage of spell and it will only heal him. If the ally is still in combat at the moment, you need to cast root spell on him to remove disarm of the shield ability so he can continue fight. Oracle is a very complex support for playing well and with what he is able to do with the correct combination of spells can hardly compare him with any hero from both lol and dota.
@@thegruyo I wasn't talking about any spell combos, from either hero, be it Oracle or Lulu. Instead, I used the comparison to better show the differences of the roles, and bring attention to how shields work for the games, as well as the ability to disarm allies and more. This video series is not a guide as to how to play the heroes, but more of a discussion of what are the heroes, and more generally, what are the roles.
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UPDATE: I missed another Health Shield! The hero Tinker can give allies a health shield as well, bringing the number up to four abilities!
Ogre Shard would like a word.
@@LetsPlayAceCraft That's not a health shield, but a percent damage reduction.
what about abbaddon
@@Tey_TX ember spirit, void spirit, abbadon, tinker that's it
@@TZAR_POTATO Dark Seer has a talent that adds +250 hp to his Ion Shell ability.
One important thing to note is that oracles ult not only delays damage and healing, but doubles the healing amount done during the time (allowing oracles heals etc to go off and have an effect since they are over time - the damage is applied but gets doible healing for every instance)
True, this.
You can also use heals normally dispellable by damage like Salves or Urn to help keep someone alive
@@chikin6146 Yup.
When you use your ult on allies using oracle. You can see how much was the dmg was done to that ally by checking above their heads. When it's fiery the dmg is like big, when it's not fiery most likely that ally will live.
So as oracle you use your ult and do your best to not let that ally die by using a lot of healing spells to negate all the dmg that came in.
The stuff going on above the head isn't an indication of imminent death.
It's an indicator of zero HP for the target for damage taken. This is before heals and the heal amplification numbers kick in.
The tooltip in the game isn't very helpful so I can see why you think it's a death indicator.
@@Gaga4Parma i didn't say it was in indication of imminent death. But your tooltip is right
If its fiery it means the damage is bigger than the heal, if its not fiery the damage isnt bigger than the heal
To be a little more comprehensive about how Oracle’s Ult works: It stores information; it takes into account damage taken, as well as healing received. It doubles healing the target gains. At the end of the duration it will check to see which is higher, damage taken or healing received. If damage wins it, the target takes that damage. If healing is higher, the target is healed for that amount. You can tell if which is higher at the moment based on the orb above their head. Fiery Orb means damage, shiny gold orb means heal.
I got to give props for your editing. The way you put league and dota together so perfectly is cool
Watching this in 7.33, shield health is now visible on both health bars
isn't that fucking awesome! FINALLY! it's been 2 decades in the making
@@TZAR_POTATO Yeah, I'm glad this update came out, it added tons of new stuff.
@@YinC4 I don't like the double gates, watchers, xp runes, tormentors, bigger map... well... i guess the map in general, and I don't like universal heroes. The rest, I'm fine with. Nerfing CC and the bkb is also a hit, but less game breaking than not being able to ward/sentry the map as needed, and having too many objectives to track. I don't want to play HOTS, there's a reason that game died!
@@TZAR_POTATO at least is fun
@@TZAR_POTATO Doubles gates are fine imo considering TPs are already in the game, watchers just replace outpost vision with free wards to force small combats instead of having passive stalemates over vision, I don't know what's wrong with xp runes other than their placement they're effectively there to replace tome so the support has more net worth that they're usually already lacking immensely in, the tormentors add a good new fight purpose other than Rosh and also exist to help the Supports who struggle with net worth as they can get a free shard and encourage good team play by map control as a wipe means you can take the enemy tormentor if your team is coordinated.
Universals are there due to the characters being neutered by their main stat so the universal stat means they have that viability open. Many of the characters in universal were detrimental by having to build around a main stat as if they focused a secondary they'd lose out on damage and if they focused on their main stat they'd be heavily. There's an incorrect funny chart (yet still makes sense to a degree) of it on the Dota subreddit of effectively there were STR heroes who built INT for spell spam, INT heroes who built AGI for attack speed, 50/50 stat characters, INT heroes who build STR for needed survivability, etc etc.
You really only need to track Roshan as Tormentor is just a net worth boost to supports and the other objectives are more just free vision access.
Still nowhere near close to some of the HotS objectives in terms of importance.
I for one am sad that HOTS "died" as it was a lot more unique as an experience in terms of MOBAs but there was too much teamwork not enough solo for most people I guess, the objectives were just big teamfights effectively. The game isn't dead it's just not LoL and Dota 2 still got a few hundred thousand players in EU. It sucks to see people shit on HOTS because it tried to be different.
I know this is late but if you can see in Oracle's Ult that bright orange above the hero where Oracle used his ult, it means that hero's health will bring into 0, but since Oracle's ult has 100% amplified heal during the duration, it is not a guaranteed kill. HOWEVER, if enough damage is applied, that hero will die instead of being healed. But if you spam all healings to that hero for the duration of the False Promise (Oracle's ult), that hero will live.
It's not always accurate you know.
@@TZAR_POTATO it's really not accurate, true. By the way, thanks for the vid. I just discovered your channel and it really is amazing for someone to compare the game without bias. Keep up the good work 😁👌🏼
I’m just finding this series but I am loving it!! Thank you for your hard work.
Watch from the start, the episodes sort of slowly build on each other. Thanks for watching, and I hope you like my other series, and other videos!
Im hyped for this series!
Welcome! This is episode 2, did you like the first episode too? What do you think, which one did it better?
This series of vids is cool! i was just saearching about oracle in reddit one day and i saw someone shared this video, hope to see more of these
Glad you liked it! are you a player of either of the games?
As a league players who always wanted to get into dota your god sin TYYYYYY
Want to talk in discord? I am free rn!
@@TZAR_POTATO will do
@@christopherrobinson9521 send me a dm or friend req. id same as in youtube, or um... here: discord.gg/fnedaD82
@@TZAR_POTATO ight I sent you a message
@@TZAR_POTATO still willing to chat? :)
As oracle main, I have the privilege to choose who's dead or alive..
love this idea for a series ill def watch more 👍
Oracle is a much more complex hero that you could literally lead your team to losing if you don't understand how his spells are being used, but is a great team saving support that always guaranteed to lead the team to winning if spells timing is right. Oracle is a support that you don't quite see in low rank but always being spammed on high rank due to his op abilities that could do tons of nuke to the enemy and always saves allies.
How hard is to play that hero? 2-3 matches people should already know 70-85% of the hero
1+3 is damage
2+3 is heal
How hard that can be?
@@RuRu0091 herald comments
@@sincskent imagine saying oracle is hard hero in the like of arc, meepo and invoker
And saying other herald
Yeah playing oracle must be very hard
Skill 1 is harras+purge+root
Skill 2 can disarm enemy in cost of giving them 100 magic ressist
Skill 3 is harras( can be use tto help deny creep)+heal
Ult is like kunkka ult delaying damage (double the amount of heal)
Yeah that hero must be very hard to play
@@RuRu0091 im assuming he means that mechanically the hero might not be difficult to play compared to arc, meepo, and invoker, but the hero does require a lot of game sense because you can easily mess up your team which adds to why the hero is very difficult and is not seen in low elo. Another similar hero that is not mechanically difficult but requires a ton of game sense is winter wyvern because of the problem of spells that can fuck up your teammates if used incorrectly. Another similar hero is bard which is very easy to play but again can mess up the team with his ult.
now dota has visible shield health!
I cheered when I saw that in 7.33, it's been 15 years in the making.
@@TZAR_POTATO yeaaah babyyy that's what we've been waiting for
I am a Big Oracle Player, I love challenge and critical thinking. In Dota there is always something you could have done better. Oracle has alot of combos with in his own abilities. Spamming nukes on an enemy and then purging the heal as soon as you can after. or on the other end Disarming and making my ally magic Immune either saving them from an enemy magic attack or allowing myself to use my nuke on them with only the healing actually taking place.
Please update the video! Dota 2 now features Shield UI which appears color coded.
I can't update videos on youtube :(
i would compare lulu to dark willow instead, as I build attack speed item on both of the heroes, plus, they are both willow with pixies.
to understand what DOTA 2 heroes are divided into, you need to look at the counter-parties in WoW and you'll understand that for example Ancient Apparition is not a ghost but elemental consciousness of end of the universe the total cold
There's a lot, orcs, humans, elves, night elves, trolls, goblins, undead, nerubians, revenants, murlocs, wolves, spiders, dwarves, nagas, demons, draenors, etc.
Just play dota auto chess. They're divided by classes.
Keep these vids coming!
Each with less views than the last. You really think people want to see them? I'm starting to doubt :(
Great content 👍
Thanks!
quality content
ty!
There are easy hero, advance hero, and hard or expert hero.
And there also hero that require you to have PhD like Invoker, Oracle, Meepo, Arch Warden, And Earth Spirit. (Ok maybe Meepo and AW not so bad if you customize your settings)
Do Invoker next please 🥺
I wonder who you compare him to
Aphelios, gotta be
Oracle require phd? I can litterally play him comfotly at my 3rd match
Well your wish eventally came true
Tinker also grants an HP shield.
OH THAT'S RIGHT!
Also omniknight. Well, more like a str increase shield.
Idk how hard is to play support
If ur core got gank and u just standing without any attempt to save him u are a faillure
If ur core got beat up in lane and u have 80% of ur hp u are a failure
If u pull side camp when enemt creep wave its on their way to ur tower u are a failure
And buy a damn solar crest its an amazing item for the price
You have to do more research on the dota side. Oracle's Ult DOUBLES the effectiveness of healing while it is active. So it doesn't "delay death." It prevents death by making healing twice as valuable for up to 10 seconds on the target.
It does actually delay death. You can die at the ability's end if there's more damage than even the doubled healing throughout.
@TZAR POTATO it does not delay death. It stops all damage and all healing from affecting the hero. Then, at the end, it adds up both the damage and twice the healing and sets the health of the hero to that number. If that number is below 0, they will die. It has does not affect death what so ever.
@@TheBlackWaltz ... if your health is above 0 tell me, are you dead?
@@TheBlackWaltz ??? So it prevent your HP drop to 0, and you said it doesn't delay death?
@Peace Pham nope. Delaying death is how dazzle works or tryndamere in league. If you're at full hp and oracle ults hpyou, your hp never moves. It has nothing to do with death. Your hp just can't change until it's over. Dazzle and tryndamere set a minimum that your health can not go under, this delaying death. You can still heal during a ln effect that delays health. That's entirely how those two abilities work. You stop from dying and then heal right before it ends to live and fight on.
In Sea I only see oracle in mid.
blame topson
Oracle mid, IO carry have long existed in SEA pubs... Way before Topson and Ana...
Apples and oranges. Lulu is more like a mix of willow and sshaman.
Oracle is the same species that Sven is.
Half fish, are you sure? He doesn't look fishy, and no god's strength either
@@TZAR_POTATO If you look at the Clarity of the Crystal Path set. You can see Oracle's ears. So I assumed that Sven has the same ears due to his mask shape. Also the Alluvion Prophecy (the Ball of Water weapon cosmetic) talks about Oracle's own fate about being deep into the sunken realms. Not 100% concrete but I think it makes sense.
Oracle's ultimate also counts double the amount of healing. If a character was dealt a fatal amount of damage while he was in ultimate, but then Oracle threw a healer there, then the character survives.
So this is not only a reprieve, but also a chance to be saved. For example, after fatal damage, you can make a TP to the base and thereby heal without dying. Oracle's ultimate also counts double the amount of healing. If a character was dealt a fatal amount of damage while he was in ultimate, but then Oracle threw a healer there, then the character survives.
So this is not only a reprieve, but also a chance to be saved. For example, after fatal damage, you can make a TP to the base and thereby heal without dying.
The difference between healing and damage received is taken into account. If the damage is more than the hero’s healing and health during the ult period, he will die. If not, the character will survive.
Don't you not consider TA's Refreaction a shieled?
It's not a health shield, it's 100% damage resist. Not the same thing, that's like saying armor is a shield mechanic...
The entire section about shields is COMPLETELY outdated at this point in time. DOTA added a couple new items with barriers, and, a few new items with barriers, and added a UI element to it
Yeah isn't that great!?
Just a heads up. If you recently started playing dota and looking to do support, pls don't choose oracle. You'll screw your team, severly 😂😂😂
agreed
Man this guy does not know how to play ora
what is ora
@@TZAR_POTATO dora
@@MichelDood Still no idea what's being said...
He probably meant Oracle, but he is right. Playing oracle is not even close to what you described in this video. The basic concept of an oracle is to combine spells. Each spell is average in itself and has its positive and negative effect. To play a hero well you have to know when and how to combine spells.
For example if you want to heal a teammate, you need to cast shield on him, then nuke him with dmg/heal ability. shield will negate damage of spell and it will only heal him. If the ally is still in combat at the moment, you need to cast root spell on him to remove disarm of the shield ability so he can continue fight.
Oracle is a very complex support for playing well and with what he is able to do with the correct combination of spells can hardly compare him with any hero from both lol and dota.
@@thegruyo I wasn't talking about any spell combos, from either hero, be it Oracle or Lulu. Instead, I used the comparison to better show the differences of the roles, and bring attention to how shields work for the games, as well as the ability to disarm allies and more. This video series is not a guide as to how to play the heroes, but more of a discussion of what are the heroes, and more generally, what are the roles.