Champagneshane Marleau didn’t just play for a long time. He’s put up an impressive amount of points in his many, many years. I guess Seabrook could make it in. I know he’s never put up great numbers, but he’s been a great dman for a long time. Also, I don’t think the Cups argument is 100% relevant. That’s not an individual stat. Seabrook certainly didn’t lead them to those Cups by himself. He hasn’t been the best dman on their team at any point in his career. There are plenty of defenseman who have won multiple Cups that never even sniffed the HOF.
Honestly man you’re one of the most underrated NHL content producers, I didn’t sub until recently but I’ve been watching your videos for a while and they’re all just really solid and unique, keep it up.
Staal won a cup. Over a thousand points. 6x all star. All star mvp in 2008. World championship gold in 2007. Olympic gold in 2010 Obviously bound for the HOF haha like what?
I’ve never been so early that there aren’t even any funny comments Edit: Last time I got this many likes, the Detroit redwings we’re still making the playoffs
I haven't watched the video yet but list outside of Ovi and Crosby; Malkin, Chara, Flurey, Toews, Kane, Kopitar, Bergeron and Keith. Honorable mentions; Kessel, Rinne, Stampkos, Getzlaf, Perry, Price, Rask and Pavelski. Potential (young players with potential); McDavid, Matthews, and Eichel,
I like Marleau but I don’t see him going into the hall of fame. He has won 0 personal awards and 0 team awards other than a western conference championship, which obviously isn’t much. Olympic golds are nice but dan hamhuis is also an Olympic gold medalist (not saying Marleau and hamhuis are the same, just saying there are a lot of people who have won team awards who aren’t necessarily HOF caliber) and to top it off he is a career 57 point man
Marleau has been consistently good for most of his career. I personally want him to make it but he might be borderline if guys like Mogilny, Alfredsson, Roenick and Theo Fleury are still not in.
Thats not even a question to ask lol. 936 games with 911 points plus 123 playoff games with 106 playoff points. Together with Ovi he has been part of the main core of Washington since the 07-08 season and with them both on the team they have been cup contenders for over a decade (and he got a cup finally). if he doesnt get in it would be a crime against the game
Nicklas backstrom and Malkin outshined by sharing a team with legends like ovi and crosby, both have won a Stanley cup backstrom has a silver medal both will have over 1,000 points when retired and have been great from day 1
Retired NHL 500+ Goal-Scorers Not In The Hockey Hall Of Fame 01. 566 - Patrick Marleau (Eligible in 2025) 02. 538 - Keith Tkachuk (Eligible since 2013) 03. 522 - Pat Verbeek (Eligible since 2005) 04. 515 - Pierre Turgeon (Eligible since 2010) 05. 513 - Jeremy Roenick (Eligible since 2012) 06. 503 - Peter Bondra (Eligible since 2010)
Kovy was my favorite player growing up! Since playing with him as a 15 year old (he was 17 practicing for the NHL draft in lake placid ny) he was skating circles around everyone even players we’ve considered to be the best for years! His shot was insanely accurate and hard to the point that after the goalie made his first save he needed 10 mins to shake it off and would move out the way if he saw Kovy winding up for a slap shot! Can’t blame him even if the equipment wasn’t the greatest back then but still that goalie had a very expensive set! Being in that camp alone cost parents an arm and a leg! For 2 weeks it was about 4-6k... great memories great player and def a hockey hall of fame caliber player! Little known fact is that Ilya Kovalchuk wears number 17 after the greatest Russian player of all time that never played in the NHL due to the iron curtain Valeriy Kharlamov! Even the best of NHL hall of famers had a hard time keeping up with him in the 70s during the CCCP vs Canada series!
staal definitely deserves it, won stanley cup in his sophorome year and had 100 points during regular season and was 4th in hart trophy voting and earned spot in 2nd all-star team, that carolina team was so stacked that's why many people doesn;t give staal credit that he deserves, but people often forgot or doesn't look to stats, second best pointscorers for hurricanes that season were cory stillman and justin williams each with 76 points, meaning Eric had at least 24 more points than any other guy on the roster which is pretty big gap. he led playoffs in assists with 19 and points 28 and he really had chance to capture conn smythe but ward was just too spectacular and it went too him. he also had 15-game point streak in that playoff run, tying with names like Lemiux, Lafleur and Messier. which is just crazy when you think eric was just 20-21 years when put up this incredible numbers, unfortunately most of his prime years he skated with mediocre wingers like chad larose and still put up respectable numbers, 09 playoff run he showed great determination and explosiveness and had another solid post-season losing in conference finals against penguins, 6-time all star, stanley cup champion, lead league in post-season points in 2006, 2nd all-star team in 2006, world champion, olympic gold medal and member of triple gold club, over 1100 games and 1000 points club(first player to reach 1000 points from that stacked 2003 nhl draft), 2008 all-star game MVP, 14 career hat-tricks which puts him in all-time 50 in that category... he went from young explosive player who could also throw his big body to show his physical presence to veteran who maybe lost his speed but uses his experience to overcome his "Minuses" with read the game in perfect way, definitely one of my favourite players in this era. watching old videos of his and comparing it to his minnesota days, it feels like I watch two different players, but enjoying both styles, one is pure Explosiveness and the other one is the brain
I once skated with Jordan Staal he glides with ease I met him when he was a Pete's player. I seen Jordan And Eric Staal play together for the Peterborough petes against the oshawa general's it was awesome very talented
A guy who was not mentioned, and is worthy off HOF consideration is Nick Backstrom. He's been one of the most underrated players of the last 10-15 years and has had a better career that eric Staal and justin Williams.
This is Eric Staal's 18th NHL season. It would have been his 20th if it had not been for the 2004-2005 NHL Lockout, and him not being signed by any NHL team for the 2021-2022 season. He also played in three shortened seasons - the 2012-2013 lockout, and 2-COVID seasons - 2019-2020 and 2020-2021. Eric Staal would have had 500 NHL goals by now. Evgeni Malkin and Patrick Kane will become the 48th and 49th members of the NHL 500+ goals club. After that, it is unknown who will become the 50th member of the NHL 500+ goals club. We will be waiting another 5 to 6 seasons to find out, if Eric Staal does not grab that # 50 spot. Eric Staal should play for two or three more seasons after this one, to make up for what he lost because of lockouts and covid, and get that 500th goal! It's time for the Hockey News Magazine to do a special commemorative issue for the 50 members of the NHL 500+ goals club. Ranking them based on their talent, not on their goals, and let's see how much different the list will look. Ovechkin would also have to pass Gretzky before that issue is published!
I know I’m kinda posting late but Justin Williams was born in Cobourg Ontario and I live in Belleville Ontario 45 minutes (unless my dad drives) and I go in tournaments with him his kids name that I played with is jaxon just really hopes that he makes now that I saw it
I was just thinking about Staal, I think he is. Stanley cup, Captain for a long time, multiple all Stars, really nice stats, extreme longevity. Idk if it'll be first ballot but I think he's earned the hall.
Giroux is another interesting one. I think he will if he continues playing well into his late 30s but his lack of awards is gonna hurt him. The guy was 4th in pts over the entire 2010s decade including 3 top 3 scoring finishes which only HOFs have done. If some of these guys in this video get in then it would ridiculous for Giroux not too.
Matt BK He’s more than on-pace to be the greatest American goal scorer of all time + multiple cups, I’d say it’s fair to consider him a lock even at 31
Is Shea Weber better than borderline, then? Or worse I know he hasn't had much team success, but he's done well on the international stage iirc. Not to mention- he has qualities that most defensemen can only dream of having
A crime? A lot of hockey fans feel that Patrik Elias and Zetterberg are borderline. If those guys are borderline, than every guy mentioned in this video has no chance of getting in lol
Why though? Matt Cullen played a lot of games too. Let's put him in there too! Marleau has never been one of the best in the game so how can he be one of the games greatest of all time?
I wouldn’t put any of the guys you listed into the HOF . No disrespect to anyone as everyone on your list was / is good players who had some very good seasons . But imo the HOF should be reserved for the Elite of the Elite . If ya have to think about it then he probably isn’t deserving. We don’t want the NHL HOF to end up like the NBA HOF where dam near everybody gets in . When you start watering the HOF down with “very good” players it completely defeats the purpose
I think Mark Giordano should at least get consideration, he has very comparable numbers to Keith and seabrook despite starting his career late and actually a much better career plus/minus than both of them playing on a much worse team
He might but it would take some voter bias. Zetterberg has always been well liked. He wouldn’t be a first or second ballot guy tho. He’d have to wait for a weak year
@@haileyn4219 of course great teammates help, but they can only take a player so far. Getzlaf is currently 2nd for ducks in franchise points, will undoubtedly surpass Selanné - just with more games under his belt. You can't possibly say that Getzy has totalled these number solely based on having good teammates, somewhere along the line remarkable talent must've been blended into the mix. Besides, Getzlafs prime was outside of the Selanne/Ducks era. Tbh, the final verdict is that neither of them should be inducted into the HOF. Sure, they have the point totals to get them there, but neither of them have attained accolades worthy enough for Hall of Fame territory - except for a Stanley Cup which is really more of a team effort. I believe the HOF should be far more exclusive. But both of them will have their number retired by their respective teams for sure
@@Chris-cy1dl I'm saying staal had to carry more Getzlaf had way more help everyone knows this, Peter Karmanos was a cheap bastard , Getzlaf had Correy perry on his wing , eric staal had Chad Larose lol there's no comparing, plus staal has all those accolades you mention Fer Carolina also, Getzlaf may not even reach 950 points staal could push 1200.i like Getzlaf but he's not on eric staals level. And BTW eric is a 8 time all star triple gold club member had a 100 point season .and will lead his draft class in points.
@@haileyn4219 Well, Getzlaf has already surpassed the 950 point mark, and is well on his way to a 1000 point career. His ducks - yes "His Ducks", Getzlaf has been the face of that organisation for the past decade - were a formidable, unrelenting ᵖˡᵃʸᵒᶠᶠ ᶜʰᵒᵏᶦⁿᵍ force. Their reign lasted far longer than that of Staal's Hurricanes. Getzlaf has made the playoffs 11 times. Staal... 5. Eric Staal is definitely the better goal scorer, but Getzlaf is the more complete player; he has been able maintain such elite defensive dominate whilst matching (exceeding) Staals offensive prowess. If we dig into statistics, Eric Staal throughout his career thus far, has measured a PPG of 0.82 - fantastic no doubt. Getzy however, has a PPG of 0.92. I suspect you severely underestimate how good Getzlaf was back in his prime. Accompanying this, Getzlaf has recorded a +/- of 138, compared to Staal's -44. Ultimately, you can take two things from that, first; if Getzlaf had played as many games as Staal, he would have more points, and secondly, Getzlaf is a more complete two way centre - dominant at both ends. "Look at his team tho", the depth of the Anaheim Ducks has been largely mediocre. Just look at them now, without prime Getzy, Perry and Kesler. They're a bottom 5 team. You can argue that Getzlaf deserved the Hart of Perry, and should receive substantial credit for Perrys rocket. So I'm trying to discern how you could possibly think that Getzlaf isn't on Staal's level. If anything, Getzlaf has proven himself the better player.
I like Getzlaf but he could never carry a team by himself ,and when it came down to gold medal caliber games who played with the best line in the world eric not Ryan, it was staal Crosby Iginla that dominated .
Kessel is the only one that really has a shot. Being an American helps. The NHL over-hypes any half decent NHL Players. for years they tried to make a guy like Patrick O'Sullivan seem like he was a star.
Depends on the Ballot but: Staal: No Kovalchuk: NO Perry: NO, er maybe. Seabrook: Maybe, can't overlook 3 Cups as a top 2 defenseman and his gold. Williams: NOPE, is Claude Lemieux in the HOF??? Spezza: Maybe, if he can hit 1,000 points. Marleau: Maybe, probably... Kessel: NOPE
I’m pretty sure marleau will because if he does keep playing he will definitely become 1st in games played and Williams should be one due to his playoff success especially in game 7s
Eric Staal - NO Ilya Kovalchuk - NO Corey Perry - NO Seabrook - I doubt it and I'm a Hawks fan... He did play a significant role in 3 Stanley Cups tho playing on the top pairing with Duncan Keith (who is an absolute HOF'er)... But who knows? I mean Seabrook essentially played in Keith's shadow his entire career. Justin WIlliams - NO, well unless you want to induct Claude Lemieux into the HOF too, lol. Jason Spezza - Maybe, he's close. Patrick Marleau - Maybe, like Spezza he's close... Is in the same boat as Shane Doan. Phil Kessel - I think he will get in one day.
Williams is clutch but I just wouldn’t put him in hell of fame def close tho. He reminds me of TJ oshie both don’t put up huge numbers but have always been really good and are clutch
Spezza and Staal likely won’t get in. Marleau should. Perry and Kovalchuk had dominant stretches in their careers but the consistency hasn’t been there later in their careers. They will be borderline guys that if they make it, it will be 3-8 years after they’re first eligible.
Does that mean players like John Carlson, Erik Karrlson, and/or Patrick Kane are guaranteed Hall of Famers? Or further from borderline than people in this vid?
Jagr will never be a hall of famer because he never stops playing.
Lol
Maniac 23 will he's still young. Give him time
Maniac 23 I made the 200th like
@@PureStrikePurist thanks man! Didn't check on the comment anymore, that escalated quickly.
Your welcome
Do future hall of famers from each team
Good idea but some teams have none lololol
@ohnyquist Please 🙏🏻 Love your content and have always wanted to see your take on who will and won’t make it!
@@Spilia4 It could still be fun to speculate, just talk about a young player who could one day be considered on their current trajectory.
Islanders legit have none maybe barzal
@@Spilia4 I can name one: Toronto
Marleau is one that I think absolutely goes into the HOF.
I don’t think Seabrook has much of a chance, but I think you mostly nailed it.
mike west ummm seabs has 3 rings though
Seabs over Marleau, just because you play long doesn't mean they're hof worthy.
Champagneshane exactly! Longevity does play a roll BUT patty hasn’t really won anything :/
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Champagneshane Marleau didn’t just play for a long time. He’s put up an impressive amount of points in his many, many years.
I guess Seabrook could make it in. I know he’s never put up great numbers, but he’s been a great dman for a long time.
Also, I don’t think the Cups argument is 100% relevant. That’s not an individual stat. Seabrook certainly didn’t lead them to those Cups by himself. He hasn’t been the best dman on their team at any point in his career.
There are plenty of defenseman who have won multiple Cups that never even sniffed the HOF.
Daniel Alfredsson needs to get in. He deserves it
Well he finally did!
Honestly man you’re one of the most underrated NHL content producers, I didn’t sub until recently but I’ve been watching your videos for a while and they’re all just really solid and unique, keep it up.
Thank you :)
Agreed
Nate Superfighter Devesion Diaz agreed
Jesus buy him dinner first
I've noticed that too; keep up the great work!
Do a vid on players that should get there jersey retired that did not yet
Is it s good idea
Do it
People forget how good spezza was in the late 2000’s and early 2010’s
I remember his time in dallas
If eric staal goes to hall of fame and datsyuk not i'm out
Master
Master
Datsyuk should make it within his first few years of eligibility. Staal has had a good career but I don’t think he makes the cut.
8 current nhl players who are bordeline hall of famers
@Shawnaldo75 yes he is he's not even playing in the khl anymore
John Scott
Hell yea
Yeah lol
He’s not borderline though. He should be a lock for the HoF.
John scott > wayne gretzky
How Come Zdeno Chara isn't on this list? :o
He's a lock...
10:40 Kessel looks so happy lol
Kessel was actually drafted 5th overall. Backstrom was 4th.
Staal won a cup. Over a thousand points. 6x all star. All star mvp in 2008. World championship gold in 2007. Olympic gold in 2010 Obviously bound for the HOF haha like what?
maybe because he had some down years but I always liked him as a player.
Mahoney 87 not obvious at all but alright
My guy had a solid 10 year run... If you asked anyone in 2010, Staal would be in... The past 10 years he has been average at best...
@@JM-yn8mb that makes no sense, he just had 2 great seasons recently including 42 goals 2 seasons ago and is on pace for 30 again at 35 years old.
@@haileyn4219, Look at team success buddy. The guy has made the playoffs 5 times in 15 years...
How about Nick Backstrom?
I will jump on a cliff if Datsyuk does not make it in
There will be rioting in the streets!
Do a vid about questionable hall of fame picks
I’ve never been so early that there aren’t even any funny comments
Edit: Last time I got this many likes, the Detroit redwings we’re still making the playoffs
Everyone dogs on my boy Nicky Backstrom. So underrated, approaching 1000
Corey Perry also won the memorial cup as a captain of the London Knights from the CHL.
I take it that Getzlaf's absence from this list means he's getting in?
I haven't watched the video yet but list outside of Ovi and Crosby; Malkin, Chara, Flurey, Toews, Kane, Kopitar, Bergeron and Keith.
Honorable mentions; Kessel, Rinne, Stampkos, Getzlaf, Perry, Price, Rask and Pavelski.
Potential (young players with potential); McDavid, Matthews, and Eichel,
“You can’t carry a hockey team to the playoffs”
McDavid and Draisaitl: Hold my beer
Sae Sae can’t use that anymore bud
@@uriah9645 true they still somehow missed the playoffs even with them on the team
Taylor Hall, yes, but let's see if the Oil is there now...shit, that's right...C-19.
I like Marleau but I don’t see him going into the hall of fame. He has won 0 personal awards and 0 team awards other than a western conference championship, which obviously isn’t much. Olympic golds are nice but dan hamhuis is also an Olympic gold medalist (not saying Marleau and hamhuis are the same, just saying there are a lot of people who have won team awards who aren’t necessarily HOF caliber) and to top it off he is a career 57 point man
Agreed but I could see him getting in eventually, maybe after a few year wait
Marleau has been consistently good for most of his career. I personally want him to make it but he might be borderline if guys like Mogilny, Alfredsson, Roenick and Theo Fleury are still not in.
Kessel is my boy.. I remember when he started in Boston and he scared me as a Habs fan.
2009 playoffs...if you remember 😂😂
is nicklas bäckström a hall of famer?
Yes
Thats not even a question to ask lol. 936 games with 911 points plus 123 playoff games with 106 playoff points. Together with Ovi he has been part of the main core of Washington since the 07-08 season and with them both on the team they have been cup contenders for over a decade (and he got a cup finally). if he doesnt get in it would be a crime against the game
@@RagingAggron that's not even the player hes talking about 😂
HS_Mef00 how do you know?? If its the finish goaltender, an average goaltender at best, he is far from hof worthy
Should be first ballot
Nicklas backstrom and Malkin outshined by sharing a team with legends like ovi and crosby, both have won a Stanley cup backstrom has a silver medal both will have over 1,000 points when retired and have been great from day 1
Retired NHL 500+ Goal-Scorers
Not In The Hockey Hall Of Fame
01. 566 - Patrick Marleau (Eligible in 2025)
02. 538 - Keith Tkachuk (Eligible since 2013)
03. 522 - Pat Verbeek (Eligible since 2005)
04. 515 - Pierre Turgeon (Eligible since 2010)
05. 513 - Jeremy Roenick (Eligible since 2012)
06. 503 - Peter Bondra (Eligible since 2010)
Phil Kessel for sure making the HOF! He’ll have over 1000 points for sure, (prob around 1250) and he’s a 2 time stanley cup champ
Kovy was my favorite player growing up! Since playing with him as a 15 year old (he was 17 practicing for the NHL draft in lake placid ny) he was skating circles around everyone even players we’ve considered to be the best for years! His shot was insanely accurate and hard to the point that after the goalie made his first save he needed 10 mins to shake it off and would move out the way if he saw Kovy winding up for a slap shot! Can’t blame him even if the equipment wasn’t the greatest back then but still that goalie had a very expensive set! Being in that camp alone cost parents an arm and a leg! For 2 weeks it was about 4-6k... great memories great player and def a hockey hall of fame caliber player! Little known fact is that Ilya Kovalchuk wears number 17 after the greatest Russian player of all time that never played in the NHL due to the iron curtain Valeriy Kharlamov! Even the best of NHL hall of famers had a hard time keeping up with him in the 70s during the CCCP vs Canada series!
staal definitely deserves it, won stanley cup in his sophorome year and had 100 points during regular season and was 4th in hart trophy voting and earned spot in 2nd all-star team, that carolina team was so stacked that's why many people doesn;t give staal credit that he deserves, but people often forgot or doesn't look to stats, second best pointscorers for hurricanes that season were cory stillman and justin williams each with 76 points, meaning Eric had at least 24 more points than any other guy on the roster which is pretty big gap. he led playoffs in assists with 19 and points 28 and he really had chance to capture conn smythe but ward was just too spectacular and it went too him. he also had 15-game point streak in that playoff run, tying with names like Lemiux, Lafleur and Messier. which is just crazy when you think eric was just 20-21 years when put up this incredible numbers, unfortunately most of his prime years he skated with mediocre wingers like chad larose and still put up respectable numbers, 09 playoff run he showed great determination and explosiveness and had another solid post-season losing in conference finals against penguins, 6-time all star, stanley cup champion, lead league in post-season points in 2006, 2nd all-star team in 2006, world champion, olympic gold medal and member of triple gold club, over 1100 games and 1000 points club(first player to reach 1000 points from that stacked 2003 nhl draft), 2008 all-star game MVP, 14 career hat-tricks which puts him in all-time 50 in that category... he went from young explosive player who could also throw his big body to show his physical presence to veteran who maybe lost his speed but uses his experience to overcome his "Minuses" with read the game in perfect way, definitely one of my favourite players in this era. watching old videos of his and comparing it to his minnesota days, it feels like I watch two different players, but enjoying both styles, one is pure Explosiveness and the other one is the brain
I once skated with Jordan Staal he glides with ease I met him when he was a Pete's player. I seen Jordan And Eric Staal play together for the Peterborough petes against the oshawa general's it was awesome very talented
A guy who was not mentioned, and is worthy off HOF consideration is Nick Backstrom. He's been one of the most underrated players of the last 10-15 years and has had a better career that eric Staal and justin Williams.
Anze Kopitar-
-first Slovenian born player to make nhl
-1x lady byng
-2x selke
-2x stanley cup champ
-1000 points
This is Eric Staal's 18th NHL season. It would have been his 20th if it had not been for the 2004-2005 NHL Lockout, and him not being signed by any NHL team for the 2021-2022 season. He also played in three shortened seasons - the 2012-2013 lockout, and 2-COVID seasons - 2019-2020 and 2020-2021. Eric Staal would have had 500 NHL goals by now. Evgeni Malkin and Patrick Kane will become the 48th and 49th members of the NHL 500+ goals club. After that, it is unknown who will become the 50th member of the NHL 500+ goals club. We will be waiting another 5 to 6 seasons to find out, if Eric Staal does not grab that # 50 spot. Eric Staal should play for two or three more seasons after this one, to make up for what he lost because of lockouts and covid, and get that 500th goal! It's time for the Hockey News Magazine to do a special commemorative issue for the 50 members of the NHL 500+ goals club. Ranking them based on their talent, not on their goals, and let's see how much different the list will look. Ovechkin would also have to pass Gretzky before that issue is published!
Henrik & Daniel Sedin??
They're 1st ballet lmao
Not borderline picks. They are locked picks
Would you consider Nick Backstrom a lock? Close to a point per game player in over 950 games played with a cup and 2x World Championship gold
What about Getzlaf
I know I’m kinda posting late but Justin Williams was born in Cobourg Ontario and I live in Belleville Ontario 45 minutes (unless my dad drives) and I go in tournaments with him his kids name that I played with is jaxon just really hopes that he makes now that I saw it
Staal should go to Buffalo to be on the second line with Skinner
Rick Nash? over 800 points. Richard winner. Two time Olympic gold.
He's a lock
Not a lock at all
Not a hall of famer
I don’t think 800 points is enough
Eric Staal * Ilya Kovalchuk * Corey Perry * Brent Seabrook * Justin Williams * Jason Spezza * Patrick Marleau * Phil Kessel
Claude Giroux?
I was just thinking about Staal, I think he is. Stanley cup, Captain for a long time, multiple all Stars, really nice stats, extreme longevity. Idk if it'll be first ballot but I think he's earned the hall.
What do you think about Rick Nash? Hall of fame or not?
Don't hold your breath on any of these guys. After all, Ron Francis is just getting in now.
Giroux is another interesting one. I think he will if he continues playing well into his late 30s but his lack of awards is gonna hurt him. The guy was 4th in pts over the entire 2010s decade including 3 top 3 scoring finishes which only HOFs have done. If some of these guys in this video get in then it would ridiculous for Giroux not too.
Marleau may possibly become player who plays most game in the history of the NHL
What about Taro Tsujimoto?
I wonder if any career KHL players will ever make the HHOF someday
Do you think Patrick Kane of the Chicago Blackhawks can be a hall of famer?
Matt BK He’s more than on-pace to be the greatest American goal scorer of all time + multiple cups, I’d say it’s fair to consider him a lock even at 31
Is Shea Weber better than borderline, then? Or worse
I know he hasn't had much team success, but he's done well on the international stage iirc. Not to mention- he has qualities that most defensemen can only dream of having
I’d say he’s a lock
What about theoren flurley
I thought Justin Williams in the thumb nail was drew doughty 😂
Same lol
Me too!
I think getzlaf could also be on this
I hope chara makes it
Boston Sports Fan 2004 he definitely will
@@daubeny.7287 And how about Bergeron?
It’s true
Just a general question. Would Giroux have a shot at the HOF if he wins a cup
Joey Christmann Probably
I’m sure Marleau will get in. It would be a crime if he didn’t
A crime? A lot of hockey fans feel that Patrik Elias and Zetterberg are borderline. If those guys are borderline, than every guy mentioned in this video has no chance of getting in lol
If you get rid of the 1000 in points and games played it’s not that impressive at all
Andre Bobowicz can’t you say that about any player? Take away Wayne Gretzky’s 2800 points and he wouldn’t get in
The Mikey G Show he get in with 57 points in 10 games played cause that’s how dominant Wayne Gretzky is
Why though? Matt Cullen played a lot of games too. Let's put him in there too! Marleau has never been one of the best in the game so how can he be one of the games greatest of all time?
I wouldn’t put any of the guys you listed into the HOF . No disrespect to anyone as everyone on your list was / is good players who had some very good seasons . But imo the HOF should be reserved for the Elite of the Elite . If ya have to think about it then he probably isn’t deserving. We don’t want the NHL HOF to end up like the NBA HOF where dam near everybody gets in . When you start watering the HOF down with “very good” players it completely defeats the purpose
I think Mark Giordano should at least get consideration, he has very comparable numbers to Keith and seabrook despite starting his career late and actually a much better career plus/minus than both of them playing on a much worse team
How is doughty a borderline hofer? He’s an AUTOMATIC hofer.
thats not doughty
Kesler r/woosh
@@Billybob-eo5vf ok sped
Kesler I know it’s Kopitar i’m not stupid
As much as I like Kovalchuk, if Mogilny isn't in the HOF, can Kovalchuk go ?
Staal is it a HOFer
No Claude Giroux?
Do you think Zetterberg will make it in?
Nah
He might but it would take some voter bias. Zetterberg has always been well liked. He wouldn’t be a first or second ballot guy tho. He’d have to wait for a weak year
@@phazerphred5917 Then neither should Toews. Toews has never averaged a PPG once in his whole career.
@@ADB358 i agree
@ettie cohen I agree datsyuk was amazing
i think i should be in the HOF bc i laid out kadri
Kevin Lowe & Keith Tkachuk should be in the Hall Of Fame
I reckon if Staal should be considered a HOF, then so should Ryan Getzlaf tbh
No, staal way more dominant, Getzlaf had quality teammates, eric had to carry by himself with 2nd and 3rd liners.
@@haileyn4219 of course great teammates help, but they can only take a player so far. Getzlaf is currently 2nd for ducks in franchise points, will undoubtedly surpass Selanné - just with more games under his belt. You can't possibly say that Getzy has totalled these number solely based on having good teammates, somewhere along the line remarkable talent must've been blended into the mix. Besides, Getzlafs prime was outside of the Selanne/Ducks era. Tbh, the final verdict is that neither of them should be inducted into the HOF. Sure, they have the point totals to get them there, but neither of them have attained accolades worthy enough for Hall of Fame territory - except for a Stanley Cup which is really more of a team effort. I believe the HOF should be far more exclusive. But both of them will have their number retired by their respective teams for sure
@@Chris-cy1dl I'm saying staal had to carry more Getzlaf had way more help everyone knows this, Peter Karmanos was a cheap bastard , Getzlaf had Correy perry on his wing , eric staal had Chad Larose lol there's no comparing, plus staal has all those accolades you mention Fer Carolina also, Getzlaf may not even reach 950 points staal could push 1200.i like Getzlaf but he's not on eric staals level. And BTW eric is a 8 time all star triple gold club member had a 100 point season .and will lead his draft class in points.
@@haileyn4219 Well, Getzlaf has already surpassed the 950 point mark, and is well on his way to a 1000 point career. His ducks - yes "His Ducks", Getzlaf has been the face of that organisation for the past decade - were a formidable, unrelenting ᵖˡᵃʸᵒᶠᶠ ᶜʰᵒᵏᶦⁿᵍ force. Their reign lasted far longer than that of Staal's Hurricanes. Getzlaf has made the playoffs 11 times. Staal... 5. Eric Staal is definitely the better goal scorer, but Getzlaf is the more complete player; he has been able maintain such elite defensive dominate whilst matching (exceeding) Staals offensive prowess. If we dig into statistics, Eric Staal throughout his career thus far, has measured a PPG of 0.82 - fantastic no doubt. Getzy however, has a PPG of 0.92. I suspect you severely underestimate how good Getzlaf was back in his prime. Accompanying this, Getzlaf has recorded a +/- of 138, compared to Staal's -44. Ultimately, you can take two things from that, first; if Getzlaf had played as many games as Staal, he would have more points, and secondly, Getzlaf is a more complete two way centre - dominant at both ends. "Look at his team tho", the depth of the Anaheim Ducks has been largely mediocre. Just look at them now, without prime Getzy, Perry and Kesler. They're a bottom 5 team. You can argue that Getzlaf deserved the Hart of Perry, and should receive substantial credit for Perrys rocket. So I'm trying to discern how you could possibly think that Getzlaf isn't on Staal's level. If anything, Getzlaf has proven himself the better player.
I like Getzlaf but he could never carry a team by himself ,and when it came down to gold medal caliber games who played with the best line in the world eric not Ryan, it was staal Crosby Iginla that dominated .
Kessel is the only one that really has a shot. Being an American helps. The NHL over-hypes any half decent NHL Players. for years they tried to make a guy like Patrick O'Sullivan seem like he was a star.
What about Danny Heatley 50in07! The superstar allstar!!! Can’t forget him.... not to mention the captain of the all star team John Scott
Nick Backstrom is another borderline guy. gets overshadowed by ovi
I’d say he’s a lock honestly, your right about him being underrated but when he retires I think he’ll get the credit he deserves
What about these
Erik Karlsson
Nick Backstrom
Phil Kessel
Phil was in the vid
Depends on the Ballot but:
Staal: No
Kovalchuk: NO
Perry: NO, er maybe.
Seabrook: Maybe, can't overlook 3 Cups as a top 2 defenseman and his gold.
Williams: NOPE, is Claude Lemieux in the HOF???
Spezza: Maybe, if he can hit 1,000 points.
Marleau: Maybe, probably...
Kessel: NOPE
Unpopular opinion but I still think Jonathan quick has secured a spot in the hall of fame
s a swiss person I never would have thought someone talking about the NHL would mention the spengler cup
Spengler cup is covered pretty heavily every year by the sports networks in Canada
10:04 Phil Kessel was drafted 5th overall not 4th
Lindros has 850 points and he’s a HOF’er…. So all these guys would make it based on that criteria…
Marleau is a lock. Staal and Kovy will probably get in eventually...but not a sure thing. Seabrook and Spezza...not a chance.
Backstrom?
I’m pretty sure marleau will because if he does keep playing he will definitely become 1st in games played and Williams should be one due to his playoff success especially in game 7s
Did you know. Theres 4 players at the moment who are in top 50 of all time points. Who are still playing
Marleau Thornton Sid Ovi and Malkin?
@@radziklvp3442 That would be 5
I’d say that Marleau will certainly make the HHOF only if he passes Howe for number of games played
Jeremy Roenick
No Backstrom, Getzlaf, or Kane (looking much like a lock but still younger than most on the list, more time to lose it), on this list?
Twig you’re probably right, I just am tapering myself in case of some kind of random, catastrophic meltdown or more legal issues
I think Marleau is a lock now that he passed games played record
Where tf is Chara? He is the longest active captain in the league and is one of very few players to play in the 90’s, 00’s, 10’s, and 20’s. huge snub
ettie cohen good point and agreed
Eric Staal - NO
Ilya Kovalchuk - NO
Corey Perry - NO
Seabrook - I doubt it and I'm a Hawks fan... He did play a significant role in 3 Stanley Cups tho playing on the top pairing with Duncan Keith (who is an absolute HOF'er)... But who knows? I mean Seabrook essentially played in Keith's shadow his entire career.
Justin WIlliams - NO, well unless you want to induct Claude Lemieux into the HOF too, lol.
Jason Spezza - Maybe, he's close.
Patrick Marleau - Maybe, like Spezza he's close... Is in the same boat as Shane Doan.
Phil Kessel - I think he will get in one day.
Staal's getting in just due to the fact he's a member of the triple gold club.
They better induct Daniel Alfredsson and Shane Doan
Honestly I’m surprised that Ovi wasn’t on the list, but to be honest really good list
Lmao not sure if you’re just trolling but he gets inducted the day he retires. No waiting period for him.
Williams is clutch but I just wouldn’t put him in hell of fame def close tho. He reminds me of TJ oshie both don’t put up huge numbers but have always been really good and are clutch
*hall omg
To me Kovy and Marleau are the only 2 in here with a legitimate chance to make it in
Also do you think panarin is hofer
He forgot Zdeno Chara
I wouldn't say Chara is borderline, I think he makes it in for sure.
Marleau: Makes
Staal: Makes
Perry: Makes
Seabrook: No
Williams: No
Spezza: Makes
Kovalchuk: Makes
Kessel: No
Kessel will make it over Spezza a 100%
Williams is a definite
Spezza and Staal likely won’t get in. Marleau should. Perry and Kovalchuk had dominant stretches in their careers but the consistency hasn’t been there later in their careers. They will be borderline guys that if they make it, it will be 3-8 years after they’re first eligible.
Do you think kris letang will make it
Does that mean players like John Carlson, Erik Karrlson, and/or Patrick Kane are guaranteed Hall of Famers? Or further from borderline than people in this vid?
Dynamite16 they are all HOFers no question
@@x21duncsx90 No way John Carlson is a HHOF player right now
cc14444 yea your prolly right but I think Karrlson and Kane are
@@x21duncsx90 yeah agreed for sure on those 2
If Carlson keeps his play up, he’ll probably make it
Marleau will make it, Phill Kessel should make it, Seabrook will make it, Perry is not making it
I thought Nash got rocket Ricard in 03-04 not Kovalchuk???
It was a tie i think
Yeah they split it lol
OhNyquist LMAOOO is that the only tie like ever?
Christian Ingrassia I’m honestly not to sure, I’m surprised it hasn’t happened more though honestly
Christian Ingrassia crosby & stamkos split the richard in 2010
So you put in phil kessel but not crosby or ovi?😂
Patrik Mellin they aren’t borderline hall of Famers lol they are guarantees
OhNyquist oh yeah true lmao😂😂