343 "our customisation system is going to be like reach" (cough instead of earning rewards through a credit system based on playing and enjoying the game you have to spend 20 dollars per customisation and colour change cough) Thank god they had it f2p to bring in the massive..... few hundred active player count that they were aiming for. Well worth making a micro transaction riddled garbage game for that.
@@slayerr4365 The advantage of Infinite’s multiplayer being free is I got to try it once, then felt zero fear of missing out in the last 20+ months since deleting it. For the people who say “Infinite is finally good now! You should play it.”, I ask “Can I choose my primary and secondary colors independently from each other? If not, then I am not interested.” That usually shuts them up too.
Screwing up one game is fine. They're human, after all. But screwing up three games and a TV show over the course of a decade is downright asinine. They deserve all the hate they can get.
The funny thing I find stupidly hilarious is that 343 makes good trailers, just halo infinite trailer alone hits deep. Instead of using that formula to make a series, they just keep throwing shit at us.
@@getthegoons I mean, I assume their terrible performance is part of why Microsoft was totally fine laying off 25% of 343i some weeks back when they were axing 10k jobs to cut their costs. The rest probably aren't that far off. I imagine we'll see the company gone whenever Microsoft execs can finally get it through their thick skulls that their flagship killer app series has been irreparably tarnished by these incompetent, arrogant idiots. And then the IP will be dumped on some other schlubs who will continue to do a shit job at it.
When Halo 4 came out, my buddy always called me a bungie dick rider because I hated the game. They changed everything, and it felt nothing like the original. Now his tune has changed.
My brother bought 4 so I played the campaign there and a little multiplayer. I never played 5 but watched a full play through. I played the campaign of infinite on game pass and got a speed run achievement on legendary finishing it in 6 hours, was horribly disappointed you don’t even get to fight the brute that beat you, cortona dies off screen and you are constantly dealing with the baby pelican driver who should have been killed off for abandoning ship and being a pussy and complaining all the time, THE MOST ANNOYING AI who sounds like a moody teenager and snaps her fingers waaaay too much. The multiplayer was the biggest greasiest cash grab with so many issues I played 12 rounds and deleted it. They’ve shown me they want my walllet by not allowing me to unlock a single skin without paying. I won’t ever play it again. I can wait for the next game.
Man, the part about 343 hiring people that didn't like Halo will never fail to tickle me. Imagine being an upstart rookie in the industry finally getting a chance to work at a huge company like Microsoft/343 and you absolutely love the Halo games. You walk into the interview and the first thing you hear is; "So, why don't you like Halo?" or something to that effect and you're just completely caught off guard. The interview continues with you showing nothing but respect and admiration to the franchise as well as what you think you could offer to make it even better and at the end the interviewer is like "I don't think you'll be a match for this company" and send you packing. I can only imagine how many people might've went through that process and it's absolutely hilarious and sad all at he same time thinking about it.
There is merit to getting an outsider’s perspective. A fan may overlook flaws a non-fan would have no problems stating. That said, you also need fans to be able to tell you what makes people fans of that thing in the first place.
@@orangeapples the flaw with that logic is a Fan won't miss "fun", you could lose out not hiring critics as well, but not hiring fans means you lose context of the creation, which WAS fun.
@@orangeapples there's a huge difference between a fanboy/shill and a fan. Fans can criticize something they like without any problem, because criticism is only seen as a negative thing by fanboys
It gets worse: Several Bungie employees who loved the Halo franchise applied to 343i, but they were blacklisted for some reason. Hiring people giving constructive criticism is great, having haters is bad, but not the end of the world, yet actively refusing to allow you game to be a passion project is sickening.
@@alexanderrobins7497Yes thank you. There’s this myth and rumor that 343 is composed of old Bungie employees. It is not. They literally refused to hire bungie employees.
Someone once pointed out that they named their studio after an egomaniacal bad guy who betrays the chief at the penultimate hour. Writing was on the wall i guess
This Also the choice to make Cortana go fully rogue, and stay that way? Especially when Microsoft was using Cortana as their version of Siri/ Alexa, I really fail to see how 343 wasn't made up of people PURPOSEFULLY trying to make halo worse and worse :/
@@RikaRoleplay From everything I've heard, they weren't trying to make it worse, but they were trying to change its identity. As in, follow industry trends, as soulless corporate AAA games often do. That, combined with a revolving door of staff and especially management, with a lack of deadlines, vision, or timely content... It was inevitable, in hindsight. Baffles me how m$ was so blase with their main gaming IP. It sounds like they're finally either cleaning up shop, or putting a bullet in this whole sad affair.
@@Dilo22 An identity change doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing either. MG5 and Breath of the Wild were hailed as two of the greatest games in recent memory. So, an identity change can be good, if executed correctly. Halo Infinite and 5 are examples of how to do it badly. Like, Halo 5 squad system could have been amazing. We could have gotten a Halo version of SW: Republic Commandos. Which would have been epic. Instead Halo 5 was a gaming mess. And that's before you look at the terrible story.
@@RikaRoleplay In all fairness, which is more than 343 actually deserves. Cortana going rogue was actually early concept idea for CE. It didn't stick and that's why 343 Guilty Spark exists.
Bringing in E-Sports consultants was one of the worst mistakes 343 made as a company. The average gamer doesn't give a shit what a "pro" or streamer thinks. We just want a game we can enjoy after a long day at work or school and play with friends.
100%. Halo was always a party game. You played it to have fun with your friends and it wasn’t a hyper competitive shooter that 343 is trying to force it to be.
@@HeyPalski Some of the best memories I have is going to a friend's house on the weekend. You've all talked about it during the school week, you have four xbox consoles and at least 12 people crammed into two rooms playing LAN multiplayer for hours with Halo: CE. Pistols only matches, Hang'em High with rocket launchers were just a few examples of the games we'd play. Then once most of them left, we'd play through the campaign on legendary dying over and over again. Inevitably team killing each other for 30 minutes just to goof off. This is Halo, not this CoD wannabe we have today. Great video, you have a new subscriber my friend.
@@midastouch8307 Halo CE on Legendary is impossible for me lol. But I'm currently replaying Halo 2, this time doing my first Legendary playthrough and finished Regret this past weekend, one of thr hardest missions.
I don't care for Halo esports but if you watched interviews with pro players they strongly suggested 343 wasn't actually listening to them either. They wanted to keep the pros around on a leash to look "legit" but mostly ignored their suggestions for Halo 5. It's why the game had such a weird frankenstein mix of universal settings that were very different from past Halo games (news flash but long time Halo pros probably prefer the old Halo games just like us.)
"Halo TV" is a great example of 343's problem: Instead of referencing anything Bungie, no matter how respected if not beloved, 343 thinks they can do better even after evidence to the contrary. Meanwhile, Sony saw a big spike in sales for both "The Last of Us" games due to the HBO series and Naughty Dog is gleefully being coy about "...we are thinking about Part 3..." On the other hand, people make fun of "Halo TV" (The Kwan Show with Master Cheeks!) and are also wondering who is left at 343 to work on "Halo Infinite" or if the days are numbered and going to be pushed into "maintenance mode/put out to pasture".
wait, does that mean last of us part 2 made a huge amount of money or are they feeling lucky because the show is doing so well? i would like part 3 to be a Mobius release type of meme, where they think people want it and waste a huge amount of money making another bad game and it fails in viral way.
And yet, Frank O'Connor is still in, that guy is responsible for most of the wrong directions the franchise took. Until he's out of Halo, I'm not interested.
Me too Just look at how he Handled feedback way before halo 4 was out I think it was a convention where After their thing they answer questions. at the end someone asked is ranked modes going to be back in Halo 4 and he said it’s too hard to answer let’s me think about it complete garbage 🗑 Yes it Got made fun of For a good reason.
They never understood nor cared about Halo, Bonnie Ross, Frank O'Connor, Kiki Wolfkill, alongside other high profile people at 343i thought the years have been ruining the franchise with their mishandling and incompetence.
I can't believe that O'Connor is still part of the franchise. He has taken credit for most of the shitty decisions in the franchise, just look at past interviews.
Yeah. The ironic, and worst part of it all, is quite a few people who WORKED on Halo and still wanted to went to 343i. They had all that experience and "competency" to make a good Halo game. Where the fuck did that go? Almost half of Bungie left to keep working on Halo. Where did they go? What happened? So little answers with so many questions that 343i and Microsoft refuse to answer.
@@MLPIceberg If I remember correctly, they were fired relatively early in the new franchise. My guess is those devs did a really good job with Halo 4 stability-wise, but all the problems with that game come from higher-up: Frank O'Connor, Bonnie, Kiki, Microsoft, etc...
@@MLPIceberg that’s actually a myth, that half of Bungie left to join 343, only a handful of people left, the only really notable former Bungie employee being Frank O’Connor, someone who described his own passion in Bungie as being an “extra monkey” who was promoted to be basically the head of 343.
The only reason why 343 isn't getting more criticism from mainstream gaming media is because HALO HAS BECOME IRRELEVANT the last 10 years because of them
They wouldn't dare to go against Microsoft. Who else is going to pay them for ads, fake reviews and antagonizing the customers when the next Halo releases?
@@KamikazeChinaman Actually, I think that they _did_ go against Microsoft and how withdrawn they've been since Infinite's drop has been due to that. I suspect that Infinite not using the trailer engine (despite saying that was the game engine), the poor optimization, empty world, and all the other issues, is due to a tantrum. I think that Microsoft got angry at the damage to a cash cow it spent good money on and cracked down on 343i, who then obeyed their boss's demands but were too spiteful and childish to just do what they knew had brought success to Bungie. So, the result was a half-assed early access instead of what their bosses actually wanted. Microsoft is not a company that takes well to anyone or anything costing them money. Especially not a franchise that has always been a major part of their Xbox reputation and is basically the flag of their company's gaming business.
343 is the jealous step-father that knows they will never be as cool as the biological dad after the parents get a divorce. So what does he do? He neglects the child.
“Hey somebody’s kid, what do you want to eat?” “I want to eat X” “Too bad! You are going to eat Y whether you like it or not!” “But X isn’t that difficult to make/buy, and I have an allergy to Y.” *Proceeds to beat child*
Same goes for Bethesda and Oblivion, little known facts: Oblivion was formed by the devs who made up Interplay, the studio that created Fallout. New Vegas was built on the bones devs had planned for Fallout 3 before Interplay went under. Now tell me Bethesda’s Fallout show doesn’t radiate the same jealous energy 343 glows with.
Simply put. They picked an IP loved by millions for being unique, and changed it to worse to follow the trends, plus left a lot of very important plot points in other media (books, etc), that made many players feel confused and alienated.
Yep I don’t understand that either. I think it was probably Bonnie who to them to stop development of it and to focus on making more cosmetics. Who knows, maybe with the new management they’ll focus on finishing split screen co-op.
@@HeyPalski At this point, why bother? There are quite a few reports that Halo is being rebooted. I never believe rumors, but these ones about it being rebooted actually have some weight to them.
@@MLPIceberg imagine they reboot this game and the people who spent thousand of dollars on shop items in this game just wasted it. Well, infinite was such a mess in development, it would be a miracle if they actually knock out a reboot out of the park.
343 has the biggest cope in gaming industry. This shit is on par with Cyberpunk and OW2 in terms of disappointment Halo 4: Ok we’ll improve in the next one Halo 5: Please trust us! We promise to make Halo great again fr. We’re definitely not removing local co-op campaign for sure. Infinite: It’s alright guys we’re still holding the Halo IP, the live service model will fix the game. Just wait for 7 months to play your favorite content Edit: Bruh Microsoft is still keeping this dogshit studio instead of competent gaming studio who makes good games and receiving game award like Tango’s Hi-Fi Rush. The nepotism between 343 and Microsoft is insane smh
Basically that. I suspect that Infinite not using the trailer engine (despite saying that was the game engine), the poor optimization, empty world, and all the other issues, is due to a tantrum. I think that Microsoft got angry at the damage to a cash cow it spent good money on and cracked down on 343i, who then obeyed their boss's demands but were too spiteful and childish to just do what they knew had brought success to Bungie. So, the result was a half-assed early access instead of what their bosses actually wanted. And I think that the long silence about Halo since then is because 343i got in deep shit with Microsoft over this. They are _not_ a company that takes well to anyone or anything costing them money. Especially not a franchise that has always been a major part of their Xbox reputation and is basically the flag of their company's gaming business.
thats why infinite was released free. they knew the real sales were going to be so bad it would of been emberassing to see the reality of it. Hence, we got both campaign and multiplayer as a game pass thing. Its so obvious game pass also made alot of developers lazy
The deserve every ounce of criticism and hate they get. "For their supposed mishandling of the Halo series" There is nothing supposed about it. I have played Halo since CE on the Xbox with my old duke controllers. I grew up with it, playing system link games of CE, the first ever XBL Halo 2 games, the massive Halo 3 launch, ODST, and finally the swan song Reach. For 3 games, Iv watched 343 butcher, destroy, and mangle Halo. From art, story, direction, they have shown a complete and utter lack of understanding of the setting, the aesthetics, the style, and the purpose of Halo. They actively seem malevolent. They took a golden goose, and strangled it.
Arrogance. So much arrogance that they believed they could rewrite what an established game series is and think their vision would be preferable to the established audience. They have no sense of fun nor respect. Just more nickel-and-dimers put in charge convinced they’re visionaries
@@Freelancer837 The issue is the fact that 343 mishandling halo has been a fact since Halo 1 Anniversary (before halo 4) and “halo fans” have been denying that fact up until about a month ago. So to a lot of “halo fans” it is “supposed”. ☝️They are the real culprits behind all this change to the halo IP. And they are the real reason why halo’s dead. If their opinions of 343’s work were grounded in reality - halo wouldnt be in such dire straights right now.
the only things I've liked from 343 have just been the designs for fireteam Osiris' armors and blue teams armor designs lol, Vale looks kickass, but other than that? 343 is absolutely terrible.
Funny how the Halo franchise and Doctor Who series are suffering from the same “I want to make my own story without faithfulness to the old and what it brought” or the classic “if there isn’t change it’s broken” logic
It's really sickening to see people come on to work on an already established story and go "Yeah I came here to make my OWN story" Like mf'er... go work at another studio or form your own and create your own story. It's literally the work version of being to lazy to develop your own fanbase and your own project so you try to leech off an existing IP and try to grotesquely and forcefully mold it into your own creation. I'm almost surprised that companies continue to do this but in some ways I believe it's because the companies in charge genuinely want these franchises to die so they can divest their interests into more than just 1 main franchise.
I've been saying it everywhere, 343 is a Division of Microsoft. They are not a developer studio. They will always make Halo, Microsoft will change leadership and employment to suite their needs and they will always have the final say on direction since THEY own the IP.
@@SaintsFan09-z3s reading comprehension is super important. I can’t teach you here in the comments section, but there’s plenty of community colleges and private tutoring that can help you.
They wouldn't be so hated if they weren't so evil, simple incompetence is different from pure hatred for the game and fans. They literally hired people that hated Halo to help work on Halo 5, everyone at 343 Industries either needs to be put in a mental asylum or needs to be blacklisted from the industry permanently.
@@daegnaxqelil2733 To be fair the Bungie purists are enough reason to hate the Halo fanbase. Then there's the classic purists. Hell actual Halo fans, people who enjoy the actual gameplay of the games are outnumbered by hivemind zealots 1000 to 1. Like I hate Infinite for 4 reasons: 1) It's poorly put together and thus barely functions properly. 2) All the broken promises 3) Microtransactions and forced crossplay. That last one was a two parter. What I'm saying is: It's super fucking easy to hate a community as volatile as the Halo community. I mean I fucking despise the Halo community, I just like the games, again except for Infinite.
I was on the original art team at Bungie way back in their Chicago days and stayed with the company until just after Halo 2 dropped before leaving the game industry entirely a few years later, never kept up with what happened to the property as it continued. Thanks for the comprehensive look at the subject. Sorry to see it didn't continue onto greater existence. Too bad.
@@shinigami117s8 Too much to tell, I could chew your ear off about it but it would bore you to death , in a nut shell just had enough, sometimes even the best of times can turn into the worst. Trust me! Sucks not making the big bucks anymore but from what I have seen and heard over the years that whole biz has turned into an sjw cesspool, I wouldn't want to be in that kind of environment anymore anyway.
@@shinigami117s8 if he left after Halo 2 released I can only assume it was because of the notoriously hellish development that game went through. If that’s the case I don’t blame him for making a quick exit lol
It just seems like half of the 343 management cared more about making halo something new than keeping it going. But that’s been a trend in western media lately: out with the old/traditional, in with the new. It’s frustrating to repeatedly see an almost hatred of the past.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug 90% of people in the industry these days are diveristy hires and commie propagandist. "white males are bad" - every person in media
Most 343i developers just wanted something to put on their resume. Saying “I helped make a Halo game” sounds great if talking to somebody who isn’t familiar with the downfall of the franchise since 2010.
Another painful part of 343i's lore is how they completely retconned the forerunners actually being ancient humans. Remember Guilty Spark in Halo 3 literally saying "you are forerunner", along with other hints across the Bungie games/books. 343 said "screw that", and made the forerunners into a completely new species, and created a war between them and the ancient humans because the humans were trying to cleanse the flood, and in the process, cleansed part of a forerunner planet without explaining to the forerunners what they were up to. Apparently simple call to let the forerunners know about the flood cost too much time, and so a war of misunderstanding began over not making a phone call. The most fucking stupid reason to start a war between 2 species. I'm pretty sure that this is also one of frank o' conners MANY fuck-ups with the series, how that guy still works for Halo, only God knows.
Also, Gravemind in the level Cortana, "Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness. A father's sins passed onto his son." I'm not sure if they crossbred (I read a fanfic that the Chief is a descendant of Bornstellar) or if they somehow used their tech to mix their genes, but the fact stands that they literally spelled it out for everyone that humanity post-activation of the Halo array are the biological children of the Forerunners.
Always hated how they put Forerunners in the game. It really took away from the mystery of everything Forerunner. They should have never appeared in the game at all aside from their artifacts.
@@bunjier4041 Honestly I don't have an issue with the idea of having them in a Halo game, my issue is similar to what you initially said which is HOW they went about doing it. I think if they showed ominous masks or hard to make out silhouettes (something along that vein) to keep the mystery but still involve them like as if the forerunners ARE still around (some of them) and ARE still pulling and tugging at the strings of the universe, trying to play god.
@@lelouchvibritannia4028 Infinitesimal gripe: Given the timescales involved practically every human in existence by the time of the Human-Covenant War would have been a descendant of Bornstellar. Not exactly a great plot point for a fanfic to use but it's nothing official so nbd.
We also gonna ignore to forerunners are actually humans in the original trilogy. Like they just straight up tell you that the humans are the direct heirs to the forerunner tech because they are decedents of them. It's why the prophets wanted to wipe them out.
343 Guilty Spark: “You are the child of my makers, inheritors of all they left behind. *You are Forerunner!* But this ring is mine.” Mendicant Bias in Contact Harvest, written by Joe Staten: “This is not reclamation, this is Reclaimer, and those it represents are my makers.”
Wanna know another thing that's awesome? THEY ARE NOT EVEN PATCHING ANY OF THE HALO MCC GLITCHES! An example of this would be the memory leak in halo CE and halo 2 campaign, 343 get your shit together.
Halo is just another franchise that has fallen victim to increasingly dull corporate practices being injected into every franchise since the beginning of the 2010's.
the fact that assassins creed outlasted our halo fandom is the most criminal cultural catastrophe that’s ever happened, I even think Locke is fine - but a Halo story is supposed to be so unbelievably moving and hope giving that the newer games just disappoint that string that used to be strung - Infinite does a better job with this but you can’t replace Cortana, her names the weapon NOT cortana, and I want 343 to just acknowledge their story because it does have potential
The primary victory of Infinite was how they handled Cortana. Fixed the rampancy bs and gave us a soft reboot of her without throwing away the built universe. That was the shining light of infinite.
343 tried to do exactly what Disney has done with Star Wars. What Amazon has tried to do with Tolkien’s work. What Netflix has done with this Witcher and cleopatra. They’re trying too hard to change the product and trying too hard to make these Franchises something that they’re not. They think they know better than the fans of these established stories. THEY know what the fans want, and the fans don’t. It’s the arrogance and stupidity that ruins our favorite worlds. It’s painfully clear that 343 doesn’t care about halo, halo fans or anything but money. Halo would be better off if they stopped it altogether when Bungie bounced. I’m so f*cking sick of modern media.
It was not half baked when it was released. Halo Infinite was LESS than half baked when it released. At this point in time, it has finally reached “half baked” status.
They literaly gave the legacy of giants to children who hadent earned it. They dont care about the story and character direction as original fans do. "What makes money? Juat do that guys!" 🤓
343 is synonymous to me with unfulfilled promises. The name alone is an empty attempt at conjuring the magic of Bungie, an apt metaphor for the company as a whole.
To this day I never felt the same feeling that reach provided. The atmosphere and the music, the rough artstyle, the menu and Ui design, everything was so well packed. Besides obviously beeing the better game with better unlocks etc. I hate the MCC edition of Reach. I loved the matte painting sin the background while you were able to look at the other players ina lobby.
It jus blows my mind that 343 is still working with halo this game has so much potential so much lore and so many weapons and aliens yet we get 15% of that I just feel robbed man I love this franchise I grew up with this game from when the first Xbox came out
Why does everyone hate 343i? Because they took a successful, beloved franchise and gutted it into the ground with microtransactions. They did not try to make the game fun, they tried to make them profitable... And in doing so made them unprofitable because they took out all the fun parts and put them behind a paywall behind another paywall. They deserve the hate and scorn of their former fanbase.
I’ve seen many a 343 hate videos over the years because I don’t like anything about them but the way you put all their fumbles over the years LITERALLY MAKES ME SICK! Like my stomach is turning at how hard this stupid company and individuals leading it worked to destroy my favorite video game series and stories of all time 😭😭😵
At this point 343 as a whole should be purged of all management. I’ve heard nothing but horror stories from talented devs that want to make a great Halo game, but utter incompetence from management has made it impossible. They’re a sad joke that needs to be put down.
Yeah. A full cleansing is needed, and a much better studio with ACTUAL fans given the reigns. First order of business? Making everything except halo wars 2 not happen. Master chief is still on ice, his story complete, and now it’s someone else’s time to shine.
Bonnie, Kiki, and Frankie are all gone. Along with some lower ranked leaders behind many questionable decisions over the years (Quinn Delhoyo the competitive guy, Brian Reed the writer of Spartan Ops/Halo 5, etc.) Sadly we did lose Tom French the forge guy (one of the very few new things 343 actually did well), but for now it remains to be seen if the new leadership can make a working and fun Halo game. Because Halo Infinite is just too far gone no matter how much they put into it.
Yeah.... I remember when it came out and my brother and I were so hyped (we've been playing Halo since we were like 8) and we both dropped the game entirely. He now has a PS5 and a Switch and mostly plays RPG games and I shortly after dropping Halo 5 sold my xbox and my games and started building a decent (above average) gaming PC and started playing SC2 amongst other games.
I am actually hopeful now. Let halo sit for a decade or so and then reboot ignoring all 343i content and pick up where Bungie left it. Been waiting for a restart since Halo 4 came out, or at least they would just let it rest.
Thats not going to happen. All that has been newly established is not going to just stop existing. They can only try to make things more like halo or keep making mistakes that will kill the franchise
@@jackgrove4621 Well if they have already killed the franchise and it sits for a good long while it might get rebooted. Sure it is a long shot but not totally out of the cards.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug yeah but it would need a change of leadership and possible turnover of staff to get a good game. Let it sit for a while, do some small spinoffs and then maybe. great stories could be told but unfortunately the people in charge are incompetent and it would take some pressure to replace them.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug Frank O Conner is still there last I checked, best hope is Microsoft stops caring about Halo and the true passion people sneak in. This will take a decade or more. And the problems we are seeing with our stories is more a problem of the culture degrading in general. the rich people are only a small part of that.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug Oh a degradation of culture is absolutely happening. It goes beyond just the big businesses and banks. I would also look into the state of schools and the lack of education that is now being provided and the breakdown of families that is happening across the western world. Even if you got rid of the few people at the top driving this thing we still have so much work to undo the damage that has been done.
I think major blame has to go to the decision makers for bringing in people who hate halo to make halo, again at the decision makers for their shitty business practices like microtransactions and worse is making Halo into a live service game. Honestly i played 4 and never touched another 343 halo game again, only got the MCC for 1,2,3,ODST and Reach, those were the best.
I honestly don't care about devs being laid off because when it comes down to it, over the years they couldn't perform the simplest tasks. They chose to go down the rabbit hole that was changing Halo completely and now they pay the price. Their campaigns where created by amateur designers who had no idea what made previous campaigns great before. Their art department was way over their heads by failing to do the most cognitive and common sense design choices as well as making the entire H4 campaign look like it's covered in smog, their balancing team sucked, programmers sucked, couldn't write cohesive stories without relying on expanded material, and overall they're a garbage studio with an equally garbage publisher. This is ultimately why Bungie wanted separation from Microsoft most likely and is why it's an unfair criticism to see from 343 lovers. It sucks people lose their job but that's what happens in the real world and game devs aren't special. It's really pathetic they can't release a campaign and multiplayer that matches the quality of those that were released on the OG xbox. Completely pathetic on both 343 and Microsoft.
Good luck with your channel There is a light in the dark! But not for the newer halo, but the original halo 3 on the xbox 360! Some modders out there have found a way to get back on the original servers with everything included!
@@rm25088 I have seen a few people talk about this haven’t tried myself yet, that’s gotta hurt 343 & Microsoft tho that the fans would rather go back to 360 mod the servers and bring back halo 3 split screen and achievements then play the mcc version of the game because they can’t even copy and paste right lol
What a spectacular video. This is absolutely beautiful. The amount of concrete information in a short 30 minutes is not only outstanding but insanely impressive. Great job!
@@HeyPalski Seriously, great work. As a die hard Halo fan since 2001, unfortunately 343i ruined that for many Halo veterans. Halo The Master Chief Collection is what really made me turn against 343i Not only was Halo 4 bad but MCC releasing that way was absolutely unacceptable.
@@BrandonStrugy I was hyped to buy MCC and an Xbox One because *checks notes* they were simply re releasing old games. Thankfully I waited for reviews before buying. How do you mess up an old game on new tech????
I don’t think Ive ever been so let down with a game as I have been with Halo Infinite, like even Fallout 76 wasn’t as bad as this, at least it wasn’t for me and Im a massive fan of both.
I remember getting MCC at launch and it was the most broken thing I’ve ever played. I’m glad it got fixed (and I’ve had a lot of fun with it after), but that disappointment I had with it in 2014 stuck with me.
While Bungie is running a profitable game it’s worth noting the damn thing is a recursive loop. Introduce concept, tease for year release concept, beat concept/villain/entire expansion in an afternoon, tease new concept repeat ad naususm. Rasputin ad a character was introduced nearly a decade ago spoke and acted in riddle up until d2 warmind then was swiftly defeated in a 2 minute cutscene, he then sat in an engram for 3 years before being reactivated just to be killed again at the end of the seasons content. The only difference between 343 and bungie at this point is that bungie figured out how to run their pony show effectively. They can delay, nerf, do anything with impunity because they managed to make a game so addictive that people will shell out 100$ a year to kill remix’s of the same 2 bosses we’ve fought for a decade.
One thing people got very pissed off about was the entire ruining of the Halo lore. Some people will state it was halo 3 that ruined it but another youtuber actually reviewed that idea in his video. Stating that it was around the H4 period so 2012 which lead to issues because of beef frank.The H3 terminals though were simply interpretated wrongly. Aside that while my faith is very diminished I have some hope that Pierre hintz is competent enough to communicate with what is left of all departments as well as making it more free flow rather than entirely relying on the 3 business days later message finally received, 3 business days later message sent back. Rather than walk to department "hey blah blah blah" reponse:got it working on it now. *1 day later done* Since he worked on MCC and made it good. Hell even is able to get cut content or content locked behind merely videos or even locked on a 22 year old device aka the og xbox.
Honestly Lore issues started with Reach really hypocritical of Bungie (or just Frank O’Conor) given how in the past they were willingly to integrate EU stuff like ODSTs or MC being a Supersoldier instead of a Cyborg
When I heard they were going to have a 10 year plan for halo I immediately thought of the 10 year plan for destiny 1 I knew it was going to be a load of BS
Hope you enjoy the video! Do you all think 343 deserves the all the criticism they receive? Did they mishandle the halo series? Do you disagree with what's been said in the video? Let me know!
The reason is simple, they've done nothing but deliver disappointment after disappointment. Microsoft needs to dissolve the studio and give the Halo franchise to a studio like ID. Just looking at how they took years.....I repeat YEARS just to make the MC collection to simply function. And then they talked about putting microtransactions in the collection because no one buys them in Infinite.
My idea for Halo TV Episode Names: Season 1: 1. Insurrection 2. Spartans Never Die 3. The Assembly 4. First Contact 5. Reclamation 6. XI Boötis A 7. Hat Yai 8. Groombridge-1830 Season 2: 9. SPARTAN-III Program 10. Vodin 11. Jericho VII 12. Charybdis IX 13. The Rubble 14. Operation: PROMETHEUS 15. Kholo 16. Alluvion 17. Psi Serpentis 18. Miridem 19. Draco III Season 3: 20. Operation: TORPEDO 21. Actium 22. Sargasso 23. Skopje 24. Meridian 25. Paris IV 26. Fumirole 27. Remember Reach Season 4: 28. Tribute 29. New Jerusalem 30. Mount Haven 31. The Mantle 32. Operation: FIRST STRIKE 33. They're Just Missing In Action 34. Schism 35. Reclaimer Bam. There's probably hundreds of ideas they could've used from the Human-Covenant War alone, much less the Forerunner era or even the Precursors. That's MY idea as a Halo fan. All they had to do was hire someone who loves Halo, but noooooo Kiki, go ahead and green light an awful script! 😡
Also bonnie ross gets way too much flak for halo. If anyones on my shitlist, its Frank first. You look anywhere in this, and hes there at the forefront. Hes been wrong about halo since fucking BUNGIE had the game! 343 shills will use 1 set of terminals from halo 3, the iris campaign, and one 4 panel comic to try and ignore the entire bungie story. The best part (ignoring that his work was minscule in the actual story) is that Frank couldnt even get his own god damn story right! Not only was the media he made for halo completely counter to the story at the time (See: Bungie flat out saying humans are forerunners in the games and with mendicant bias, as well as all of hints they put leading up to sparks reveal in 3), but even within the terminals he wrote, his works are completely incoherent. Things happen completely out of order, plans make no sense and run counter to themselves (we’ll put humanity on keyships and fire the rings while theyre in slipspace! Then the librarian destroys all the keyships for some reason?). Even better, his terminals disagree with his comic! Not only does Frankie have no respect for the story Bungie made, he has no respect for the story HE made a paragraph or two after he just fucking wrote it! That or his mental faculties are so debilitated that he cant remember anything he writes. If youre gonna blame any 1 person, dont blame bonnie, blame Frank!
343 deserves all backlash. The halo community have been very vocal in what we want to see in halo. At this point its all intentional, 343 is purposely killing halo.
Every time I hear the 10 year plan all I can think is that it will take them 10 years to give us everything that we should have had at launch. Or they are just gonna keep rotating the shop for the next 10 years.
The Sketch guy saying they need to discuss about feasibility… Me: How about I feed you these nuts and make you choke on them until you actually give fans what they want at launch. What a disgrace for the Halo Series. Halo 1 has slayer and other one in the trilogy.
With Frank O Connor still there, we're not going anywhere. It's too late anyway, over 10 years of retcons and garbage. There's just no way to undo and forget about it all, it'd just be more ways of fucked.
i never really understood why we kept getting less and less in the halo games. we ALWAYS had to report and fight for things we should’ve already gotten and deserved… i played infinite until i saw the halo reach bundles… we had to pay for armor that was made a decade ago and not even by them… THAT alone had said everything to me and i have deleted infinite and have yet to touch a 343 halo game since.
It's like every game gets more and more stripped down. The fact that you can spend $60 on the campaign, and another $20 on battle passes, and STILL have to pay for armor colors is ridiculous. Hell, even if you actually wanted to spend more money in the shop you cant because 95% of the items are "vaulted". It's like most of the armor is locked behind an additional pay wall AND still unobtainable lol.
What lesson do we learn today, kids? Whenever your fanbase called you out on your bs, instead of alleviating their concerns, just be as passive-aggressive as possible. If they keep rightfully complaining, just make the game worse to play, that'll teach 'em.
343 hated OG Halo (this is confirmed) so of course they changed a bunch of things and fought with the community to keep it their way (ex. The artstyle, the Forerunners, the multiplayer changes).
343 hiring people who hated Halo and Master Chief really reflects on 343's disastrous demolition of a much loved franchise. Please burn the studio to the ground and give the Halo IP to a studio that actually cares and builds on the Halo that Bungie masterfully conceived. Reboot everything 343 did, starting with their interpretation of the Forerunners and every stupid concept and idea that 343 introduced.
I don’t give a damn about this “muh devs” talking point that’s been popular with YongYea and every commentary TH-camrs like to cite, if they gotta throw the whole studio away, do it. It stopped being about management when they hired people with ideas contrary to Halo, that doesn’t magically go away.
@@reddishcarp1237 the nostalgia sprinkled in it is great. The actual campaign itself is basically the rise of Skywalker all over again. I crappy mess trying to correct the screw ups from the last game.
what 343 did to the halo series, should be considered a crime. How they treated Bungie and refusing to ever put the flood back into the game because they thought they could make better cooler enemies was enough for me to feel they dont deserve to be on any AAA game ever again i would never trust them on any of my big budget games ever again.
Relatively unknown issue happened sometime in 2011 iirc when 343i took over from Bungie; They updated halo wars to "fix" an extremely rare theatre bug that would crash the game when watching the awesome Blur cutscenes. Instead of fixing it they broke the game and removed most of the previous patches completely destroying the already poor balance and it took about half a year for them to fix. It's been a rocky road since the very start. They basically never touched wars again after that.
I honestly feel like we’re headed in the direction of another gaming crash like the 80s they keep raising the prices of games even though the majority of that price used to go to distribution and now everything is digital basically they keep giving games less and less content in the case of halo and cod and even if a game does have content it’s released in an unplayable state and stays like that for months on end
Look at the Indie game industry. Not saying AAA has nothing to offer, but (at least for me and many others) it has severely deteriorated in the past 15 ish years. I remember when I got my xbox 360 and my family didn't have a whole lot of money so I could only get a game every once in awhile and when we went to a game store I would have to decide "Do I want 2 games that came out awhile ago that are now on sale for $30~ or 1 brand new release for $60?" Nowadays with AAA for me it's "Do I trust this developer to deliver on their promises and be competent enough to deliver a game that has soul and direction to it and buy this game on launch for $60 or do I just never buy it at all" Most of the games I play nowdays are made by Indie developers. They're not always perfect, but a lot of them are pretty damn fucking good like Terraria, CrossCode, Riftbreaker, A Hat In Time, Black Skylands, 7days to die, Necesse, the Ori games, Risk of Rain 1&2, Valheim, etc. I could go on and on. The last AAA game I bought was Elden Ring. I remember buying 4-6~ AAA games a year as a kid (again family didn't have a lot of money) and most of the time it was a couple months after release because I couldn't afford to buy them brand new most of the time. Nowadays I barely even glance at most AAA games past the initial trailers because it's become so blatantly obvious if a game has that special magic and soul to it or not.
I used to think this but there are too many casual people still willing to drop huge amounts of money on 30mins of flashy graphics per day and a crappy $0.15 skin for $4.99. The Kahnzumer is an animal.
Not too mention Frank O’ Connor retconned the humans being forerunners lore that bungie spent 5 games establishing. The didact should’ve been a human not a different alien species
343 to me is the symptom of a larger disease which is Microsoft Games Studios. 343 is just like Lionhead to mean. Potentially great studios ground into dust by low funding and pressure to fill in the massive gap in the game library of Xbox. These devs have literally ruined the Halo legacy to the point where only Halo 1-3 and Reach exist. Every now and then when people start talking about how bad 343 is, I'm reminded that some dufus at IGN said it was the best Halo ever and gave it a near perfect score. Personally, I think the studio is poorly ran like everything else at MS Games and what sealed it for me is that these mfs sent out the shockingly racist Juneteeth skin by labeling it Banobo which is a monkey. And nobody gave af because it's 343 and Halo is dead
infinite has the worst maps of any halo game. most of them are 3 lane generic maps that have an overabundance of cover and piss poor lines of sight. this is turn makes gameplay very random and sporadic.
I think the problem is the 343 marketing. Every time it was “we’ve learned and we’ll do better next time”. But I’m really done after this point. Should I have realized it sooner? Probably. But now I’ll never buy another 343 game again until months after release and see the community sentiment.
People forget how bad Halo 4 truly was. God awful melodramatic campaign with a new version of chief and Cortana who were acting like different people, prometheans who were straight up not fun to fight, weapons that ran out of ammo in 2 seconds no good vehicle sections, linear levels and call of duty multiplayer.
12:31 ah…. Esports consultants…. What a dumb idea. “Hey, let’s ask the 0.01% of gamers what would improve the game for them, I’m sure 99.99% of our other fans will LOVE it!”
You are wrong. Sprint is anathema to Halo gameplay. And evolving doesnt mean adding useless mechanics that dont work in the context of your game, but to improve and evolve the mainstay mechanics and features. An evolution of Halo entails shit like better co op with more options. Better forge and ai and text scripting to make mini campaigns, better graphical fidelity, a better armor system than Reach, improving the credit system from Reach and adding more armor parts. Im sick and fucking tired of normies saying that adding sprint is an evolution to Halo, as if the adding of that shit is positive in any way
I've always wanted another "Reach" like title where you have your own Spartan in campaign and multiplayer with fun modes that vary between big team battles and also co-op modes like Firefight. The sad truth is though I hope we don't get this anytime soon because I wouldn't trust 343 to do it justice
It is both hilarious and reassuring to witness the spawn of hundreds of new TH-camrs over this lackluster game and studio. The voice of the people is undeniable
Reminds me of what Disney did to Star Wars although I have to say what they did to Star Wars was FAR worse than what’s been done to Halo. I still have so much love for Halo and I can still appreciate some things about the 343 era but obviously what we had in the Bungie era was magical and irreplaceable as we’re finding out with each 343 release.
And like with Star Wars the seeds for this crap show were planted well in advance For Star Wars it was Dave Filoni’s retcon festival TCW For Halo it was Frank O’Connor’s incompetence and retcons of the Forerunners and Reach lore wise anyways
I just don't get it, like seriously, I don't get how 343 has *repeatedly* fucked up so badly. They fumbled Halo so hard that a classic fan like myself just doesn't care about it anymore aside from the classic Bungie era.
I feel the one things skipped aber that has been a huge thing in every 343 game is the game breaking bugs and unplayable nature at launch. The content hasn’t just become less content, but worse and less polished. We are driving a care that’s already lost it’s tires, fenders, doors, roof, windows, mirrors, and we are riding on rims towards a cliff. They’ve had too many chances. Pass the torch.
343 got their money from halo. It’s time they pack their shit, give halo to a company that understands the actual gave and not 343’s shitty gimmicks, and make them start from scratch while still keeping what Halo fans love about the game
Take a beloved property and release multiple titles over about a decade that are worse and worse further away from a series beginnings? Worked out well for Star Wars right? Oh wait no, DON’T do that! At this point any of the multiple studios that works on CoD can make a better Halo game so why do we need 343? Let Treyarch make the next Halo game, that would be absurdly smart, that or get Respawn entertainment and let them have a go at it.
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I think RussianBadger perfectly encapsulated this with a single quote:
"Welcome to Halo: Reach! A game so old it was actually DESIGNED TO BE FUN."
Hell yeah
True
Reach was the last good Halo
343 "our customisation system is going to be like reach" (cough instead of earning rewards through a credit system based on playing and enjoying the game you have to spend 20 dollars per customisation and colour change cough)
Thank god they had it f2p to bring in the massive..... few hundred active player count that they were aiming for. Well worth making a micro transaction riddled garbage game for that.
@@slayerr4365
The advantage of Infinite’s multiplayer being free is I got to try it once, then felt zero fear of missing out in the last 20+ months since deleting it. For the people who say “Infinite is finally good now! You should play it.”, I ask “Can I choose my primary and secondary colors independently from each other? If not, then I am not interested.” That usually shuts them up too.
“The story was so bad it was able to launch a TH-camr’s career” ☠️☠️☠️
Screwing up one game is fine. They're human, after all. But screwing up three games and a TV show over the course of a decade is downright asinine. They deserve all the hate they can get.
Being 0 for 3 with games and botching the show, it's insane that anyone still works there
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The funny thing I find stupidly hilarious is that 343 makes good trailers, just halo infinite trailer alone hits deep. Instead of using that formula to make a series, they just keep throwing shit at us.
That should be a crime at this point
@@getthegoons I mean, I assume their terrible performance is part of why Microsoft was totally fine laying off 25% of 343i some weeks back when they were axing 10k jobs to cut their costs. The rest probably aren't that far off. I imagine we'll see the company gone whenever Microsoft execs can finally get it through their thick skulls that their flagship killer app series has been irreparably tarnished by these incompetent, arrogant idiots. And then the IP will be dumped on some other schlubs who will continue to do a shit job at it.
I'm never spending another dollar on this franchise until new management proves they are capable.
Finally people are doing what i did from 2015
When Halo 4 came out, my buddy always called me a bungie dick rider because I hated the game. They changed everything, and it felt nothing like the original. Now his tune has changed.
@Guywith Aplan, fortunately, gamepass will allow me to play these games without giving them money
Agreed mate
My brother bought 4 so I played the campaign there and a little multiplayer. I never played 5 but watched a full play through. I played the campaign of infinite on game pass and got a speed run achievement on legendary finishing it in 6 hours, was horribly disappointed you don’t even get to fight the brute that beat you, cortona dies off screen and you are constantly dealing with the baby pelican driver who should have been killed off for abandoning ship and being a pussy and complaining all the time, THE MOST ANNOYING AI who sounds like a moody teenager and snaps her fingers waaaay too much. The multiplayer was the biggest greasiest cash grab with so many issues I played 12 rounds and deleted it. They’ve shown me they want my walllet by not allowing me to unlock a single skin without paying. I won’t ever play it again. I can wait for the next game.
When master chief looked into the camera and said "It's battle pass'n time!" I literally stood up from my wheelchair and cried.
And i clapped
^dem cheeks
@@Deepkeel vigorously
@@Deepkeel bro finally stood up aftwr years of not being able to walk..only to be clapped from behind while crying 😂
@@notjimpickens7928 clapped from behind Vigorously*
Man, the part about 343 hiring people that didn't like Halo will never fail to tickle me. Imagine being an upstart rookie in the industry finally getting a chance to work at a huge company like Microsoft/343 and you absolutely love the Halo games. You walk into the interview and the first thing you hear is; "So, why don't you like Halo?" or something to that effect and you're just completely caught off guard. The interview continues with you showing nothing but respect and admiration to the franchise as well as what you think you could offer to make it even better and at the end the interviewer is like "I don't think you'll be a match for this company" and send you packing. I can only imagine how many people might've went through that process and it's absolutely hilarious and sad all at he same time thinking about it.
There is merit to getting an outsider’s perspective. A fan may overlook flaws a non-fan would have no problems stating. That said, you also need fans to be able to tell you what makes people fans of that thing in the first place.
@@orangeapples the flaw with that logic is a Fan won't miss "fun", you could lose out not hiring critics as well, but not hiring fans means you lose context of the creation, which WAS fun.
@@orangeapples there's a huge difference between a fanboy/shill and a fan. Fans can criticize something they like without any problem, because criticism is only seen as a negative thing by fanboys
It gets worse:
Several Bungie employees who loved the Halo franchise applied to 343i, but they were blacklisted for some reason. Hiring people giving constructive criticism is great, having haters is bad, but not the end of the world, yet actively refusing to allow you game to be a passion project is sickening.
@@alexanderrobins7497Yes thank you. There’s this myth and rumor that 343 is composed of old Bungie employees.
It is not.
They literally refused to hire bungie employees.
Someone once pointed out that they named their studio after an egomaniacal bad guy who betrays the chief at the penultimate hour. Writing was on the wall i guess
This
Also the choice to make Cortana go fully rogue, and stay that way? Especially when Microsoft was using Cortana as their version of Siri/ Alexa, I really fail to see how 343 wasn't made up of people PURPOSEFULLY trying to make halo worse and worse :/
@@RikaRoleplay From everything I've heard, they weren't trying to make it worse, but they were trying to change its identity. As in, follow industry trends, as soulless corporate AAA games often do.
That, combined with a revolving door of staff and especially management, with a lack of deadlines, vision, or timely content...
It was inevitable, in hindsight.
Baffles me how m$ was so blase with their main gaming IP. It sounds like they're finally either cleaning up shop, or putting a bullet in this whole sad affair.
@@Dilo22 An identity change doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing either. MG5 and Breath of the Wild were hailed as two of the greatest games in recent memory.
So, an identity change can be good, if executed correctly.
Halo Infinite and 5 are examples of how to do it badly.
Like, Halo 5 squad system could have been amazing. We could have gotten a Halo version of SW: Republic Commandos. Which would have been epic. Instead Halo 5 was a gaming mess. And that's before you look at the terrible story.
@@RikaRoleplay In all fairness, which is more than 343 actually deserves. Cortana going rogue was actually early concept idea for CE. It didn't stick and that's why 343 Guilty Spark exists.
Bringing in E-Sports consultants was one of the worst mistakes 343 made as a company. The average gamer doesn't give a shit what a "pro" or streamer thinks. We just want a game we can enjoy after a long day at work or school and play with friends.
100%. Halo was always a party game. You played it to have fun with your friends and it wasn’t a hyper competitive shooter that 343 is trying to force it to be.
@@HeyPalski Some of the best memories I have is going to a friend's house on the weekend. You've all talked about it during the school week, you have four xbox consoles and at least 12 people crammed into two rooms playing LAN multiplayer for hours with Halo: CE. Pistols only matches, Hang'em High with rocket launchers were just a few examples of the games we'd play.
Then once most of them left, we'd play through the campaign on legendary dying over and over again. Inevitably team killing each other for 30 minutes just to goof off. This is Halo, not this CoD wannabe we have today.
Great video, you have a new subscriber my friend.
@@midastouch8307 Halo CE on Legendary is impossible for me lol. But I'm currently replaying Halo 2, this time doing my first Legendary playthrough and finished Regret this past weekend, one of thr hardest missions.
I don't care for Halo esports but if you watched interviews with pro players they strongly suggested 343 wasn't actually listening to them either. They wanted to keep the pros around on a leash to look "legit" but mostly ignored their suggestions for Halo 5. It's why the game had such a weird frankenstein mix of universal settings that were very different from past Halo games (news flash but long time Halo pros probably prefer the old Halo games just like us.)
i think it was a marketing ploy and didnt listen to them either lmao
"Halo TV" is a great example of 343's problem: Instead of referencing anything Bungie, no matter how respected if not beloved, 343 thinks they can do better even after evidence to the contrary.
Meanwhile, Sony saw a big spike in sales for both "The Last of Us" games due to the HBO series and Naughty Dog is gleefully being coy about "...we are thinking about Part 3..." On the other hand, people make fun of "Halo TV" (The Kwan Show with Master Cheeks!) and are also wondering who is left at 343 to work on "Halo Infinite" or if the days are numbered and going to be pushed into "maintenance mode/put out to pasture".
I hate 343 but they really didn’t have much a hand in the writing of the halo tv show.
wait, does that mean last of us part 2 made a huge amount of money or are they feeling lucky because the show is doing so well? i would like part 3 to be a Mobius release type of meme, where they think people want it and waste a huge amount of money making another bad game and it fails in viral way.
@@THE16THPHANTOM the memes around the release of part 2 was one of the funniest thing I witnessed
Lol season 2 of last of us will be hilarious. Last of us 2 is dogsht.
And yet, Frank O'Connor is still in, that guy is responsible for most of the wrong directions the franchise took. Until he's out of Halo, I'm not interested.
Me too Just look at how he Handled feedback way before halo 4 was out
I think it was a convention where After their thing they answer questions.
at the end someone asked is ranked modes going to be back in Halo 4 and he said it’s too hard to answer let’s me think about it complete garbage 🗑 Yes it Got made fun of For a good reason.
By the way this was in front of many people
Seeing Bonnie and now Kiki leave 343, I wouldn’t be surprised if Frank is next to go.
@@HeyPalski Frankie is the final of the three prophets. When he falls (not if), there may finally be honor in 343.
He's really still around?! I thought he was gone along with all the other goons recently 🤷
They never understood nor cared about Halo, Bonnie Ross, Frank O'Connor, Kiki Wolfkill, alongside other high profile people at 343i thought the years have been ruining the franchise with their mishandling and incompetence.
I can't believe that O'Connor is still part of the franchise. He has taken credit for most of the shitty decisions in the franchise, just look at past interviews.
Yeah. The ironic, and worst part of it all, is quite a few people who WORKED on Halo and still wanted to went to 343i. They had all that experience and "competency" to make a good Halo game. Where the fuck did that go? Almost half of Bungie left to keep working on Halo. Where did they go? What happened? So little answers with so many questions that 343i and Microsoft refuse to answer.
@@MLPIceberg If I remember correctly, they were fired relatively early in the new franchise. My guess is those devs did a really good job with Halo 4 stability-wise, but all the problems with that game come from higher-up: Frank O'Connor, Bonnie, Kiki, Microsoft, etc...
@@MLPIceberg that’s actually a myth, that half of Bungie left to join 343, only a handful of people left, the only really notable former Bungie employee being Frank O’Connor, someone who described his own passion in Bungie as being an “extra monkey” who was promoted to be basically the head of 343.
Imagine being older than 15 years old and calling yourself "Kiki Wolfkill".........
The only reason why 343 isn't getting more criticism from mainstream gaming media is because HALO HAS BECOME IRRELEVANT the last 10 years because of them
They wouldn't dare to go against Microsoft. Who else is going to pay them for ads, fake reviews and antagonizing the customers when the next Halo releases?
@@KamikazeChinaman Well that Halo Infinite IGN review is more than enough to piss you off.
@@KamikazeChinaman Actually, I think that they _did_ go against Microsoft and how withdrawn they've been since Infinite's drop has been due to that. I suspect that Infinite not using the trailer engine (despite saying that was the game engine), the poor optimization, empty world, and all the other issues, is due to a tantrum. I think that Microsoft got angry at the damage to a cash cow it spent good money on and cracked down on 343i, who then obeyed their boss's demands but were too spiteful and childish to just do what they knew had brought success to Bungie. So, the result was a half-assed early access instead of what their bosses actually wanted. Microsoft is not a company that takes well to anyone or anything costing them money. Especially not a franchise that has always been a major part of their Xbox reputation and is basically the flag of their company's gaming business.
Who tf still listens to IGN?
343 is the jealous step-father that knows they will never be as cool as the biological dad after the parents get a divorce. So what does he do? He neglects the child.
this is a very personal analogy.
I never plays I loved the lore but what 343 did is a sin
“Hey somebody’s kid, what do you want to eat?”
“I want to eat X”
“Too bad! You are going to eat Y whether you like it or not!”
“But X isn’t that difficult to make/buy, and I have an allergy to Y.”
*Proceeds to beat child*
Same goes for Bethesda and Oblivion, little known facts:
Oblivion was formed by the devs who made up Interplay, the studio that created Fallout. New Vegas was built on the bones devs had planned for Fallout 3 before Interplay went under. Now tell me Bethesda’s Fallout show doesn’t radiate the same jealous energy 343 glows with.
@DA7274 >Obsidian getting no time to nake New Vegas and reduced pay for getting 1 point less on metacritic.
Bethesda are exactly like 343.
Who would have ever thought that in the end the real "Halo killer" would be 343i itself.
I always found it ironic that they choose the name 343 the name of the rouge ai 343 guilty spark who betrayed master chief
allowing the TV show to exist is one of the many reasons.
Nah the tv show is great
@@reddishcarp1237 nice bait.
@@RoKBottomStudios they're just telling the truth. Being different from the game isn't bad, just different
@Drew Sachs wow your bait is even better lol.
My pet bird takes more interesting poops than the halo tv show.
Simply put. They picked an IP loved by millions for being unique, and changed it to worse to follow the trends, plus left a lot of very important plot points in other media (books, etc), that made many players feel confused and alienated.
Like I get wanting to incorporate the EU, but holy shit they have failed to do so spectacularly
What's really baffling is that you can glitch split screen campaign, so they HAD IT then just... didn't finish it.
Yep I don’t understand that either. I think it was probably Bonnie who to them to stop development of it and to focus on making more cosmetics. Who knows, maybe with the new management they’ll focus on finishing split screen co-op.
@@HeyPalski At this point, why bother? There are quite a few reports that Halo is being rebooted. I never believe rumors, but these ones about it being rebooted actually have some weight to them.
@@MLPIceberg imagine they reboot this game and the people who spent thousand of dollars on shop items in this game just wasted it.
Well, infinite was such a mess in development, it would be a miracle if they actually knock out a reboot out of the park.
If you're buying digital assets with real money; they got you and it's your own damn fault for not seeing the grift.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug That's pathetic
343 has the biggest cope in gaming industry. This shit is on par with Cyberpunk and OW2 in terms of disappointment
Halo 4: Ok we’ll improve in the next one
Halo 5: Please trust us! We promise to make Halo great again fr. We’re definitely not removing local co-op campaign for sure.
Infinite: It’s alright guys we’re still holding the Halo IP, the live service model will fix the game. Just wait for 7 months to play your favorite content
Edit: Bruh Microsoft is still keeping this dogshit studio instead of competent gaming studio who makes good games and receiving game award like Tango’s Hi-Fi Rush. The nepotism between 343 and Microsoft is insane smh
lmao make halo great again is truly the most accurate slogan for 343
Basically that. I suspect that Infinite not using the trailer engine (despite saying that was the game engine), the poor optimization, empty world, and all the other issues, is due to a tantrum. I think that Microsoft got angry at the damage to a cash cow it spent good money on and cracked down on 343i, who then obeyed their boss's demands but were too spiteful and childish to just do what they knew had brought success to Bungie. So, the result was a half-assed early access instead of what their bosses actually wanted. And I think that the long silence about Halo since then is because 343i got in deep shit with Microsoft over this. They are _not_ a company that takes well to anyone or anything costing them money. Especially not a franchise that has always been a major part of their Xbox reputation and is basically the flag of their company's gaming business.
thats why infinite was released free. they knew the real sales were going to be so bad it would of been emberassing to see the reality of it. Hence, we got both campaign and multiplayer as a game pass thing. Its so obvious game pass also made alot of developers lazy
The deserve every ounce of criticism and hate they get. "For their supposed mishandling of the Halo series" There is nothing supposed about it. I have played Halo since CE on the Xbox with my old duke controllers. I grew up with it, playing system link games of CE, the first ever XBL Halo 2 games, the massive Halo 3 launch, ODST, and finally the swan song Reach.
For 3 games, Iv watched 343 butcher, destroy, and mangle Halo. From art, story, direction, they have shown a complete and utter lack of understanding of the setting, the aesthetics, the style, and the purpose of Halo. They actively seem malevolent. They took a golden goose, and strangled it.
Well said and exactly how I feel
Arrogance. So much arrogance that they believed they could rewrite what an established game series is and think their vision would be preferable to the established audience. They have no sense of fun nor respect. Just more nickel-and-dimers put in charge convinced they’re visionaries
Thank you. I was going to say the same thing. He keeps saying "supposed" as if it's not just a fact that it's been mishandled.
@@Freelancer837
The issue is the fact that 343 mishandling halo has been a fact since Halo 1 Anniversary (before halo 4) and “halo fans” have been denying that fact up until about a month ago.
So to a lot of “halo fans” it is “supposed”.
☝️They are the real culprits behind all this change to the halo IP.
And they are the real reason why halo’s dead.
If their opinions of 343’s work were grounded in reality - halo wouldnt be in such dire straights right now.
the only things I've liked from 343 have just been the designs for fireteam Osiris' armors and blue teams armor designs lol, Vale looks kickass, but other than that? 343 is absolutely terrible.
Funny how the Halo franchise and Doctor Who series are suffering from the same “I want to make my own story without faithfulness to the old and what it brought” or the classic “if there isn’t change it’s broken” logic
Don't forget Star Wars.
@@KylePhantomK94 Or Star Trek.
It's really sickening to see people come on to work on an already established story and go "Yeah I came here to make my OWN story" Like mf'er... go work at another studio or form your own and create your own story. It's literally the work version of being to lazy to develop your own fanbase and your own project so you try to leech off an existing IP and try to grotesquely and forcefully mold it into your own creation. I'm almost surprised that companies continue to do this but in some ways I believe it's because the companies in charge genuinely want these franchises to die so they can divest their interests into more than just 1 main franchise.
I've been saying it everywhere, 343 is a Division of Microsoft. They are not a developer studio. They will always make Halo, Microsoft will change leadership and employment to suite their needs and they will always have the final say on direction since THEY own the IP.
Are you saying 343 owns halo and not Microsoft?
@@SaintsFan09-z3s 343i owns Halo because they ARE Microsoft.
"Skynet IS THE VIRUS!" - Sun Tzu
@@SaintsFan09-z3s reading comprehension is super important. I can’t teach you here in the comments section, but there’s plenty of community colleges and private tutoring that can help you.
@@KC-bi9jw so 343 owns halo and not microsoft?
@@orage8332 ….yes
They wouldn't be so hated if they weren't so evil, simple incompetence is different from pure hatred for the game and fans.
They literally hired people that hated Halo to help work on Halo 5, everyone at 343 Industries either needs to be put in a mental asylum or needs to be blacklisted from the industry permanently.
Which makes no sense at all. It should be all Halo superfans and work with Joe Staten to flesh out the story.
they have their reasons to hate the fans they expected to much of things from 343
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug you cant have everything. deal with it.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug you ask them too much also that's the other issue.
@@daegnaxqelil2733 To be fair the Bungie purists are enough reason to hate the Halo fanbase. Then there's the classic purists. Hell actual Halo fans, people who enjoy the actual gameplay of the games are outnumbered by hivemind zealots 1000 to 1.
Like I hate Infinite for 4 reasons:
1) It's poorly put together and thus barely functions properly.
2) All the broken promises
3) Microtransactions and forced crossplay.
That last one was a two parter.
What I'm saying is: It's super fucking easy to hate a community as volatile as the Halo community.
I mean I fucking despise the Halo community, I just like the games, again except for Infinite.
I was on the original art team at Bungie way back in their Chicago days and stayed with the company until just after Halo 2 dropped before leaving the game industry entirely a few years later, never kept up with what happened to the property as it continued. Thanks for the comprehensive look at the subject. Sorry to see it didn't continue onto greater existence. Too bad.
Why you quit?
@@shinigami117s8 Too much to tell, I could chew your ear off about it but it would bore you to death , in a nut shell just had enough, sometimes even the best of times can turn into the worst. Trust me! Sucks not making the big bucks anymore but from what I have seen and heard over the years that whole biz has turned into an sjw cesspool, I wouldn't want to be in that kind of environment anymore anyway.
@@shinigami117s8 if he left after Halo 2 released I can only assume it was because of the notoriously hellish development that game went through. If that’s the case I don’t blame him for making a quick exit lol
I’m looking back at it and 343 hated Halo. These were people trying to make Halo into COD.
The arrogance of the showrunner and writers' room to think they are better than the established world loved by countless fans.
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It just seems like half of the 343 management cared more about making halo something new than keeping it going. But that’s been a trend in western media lately: out with the old/traditional, in with the new. It’s frustrating to repeatedly see an almost hatred of the past.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug 90% of people in the industry these days are diveristy hires and commie propagandist. "white males are bad" - every person in media
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug well said
Star wars
@@gzuskreist1021Diversity Attracts Diversity - Bonnie Ross 60 Minutes Interview.
Most 343i developers just wanted something to put on their resume. Saying “I helped make a Halo game” sounds great if talking to somebody who isn’t familiar with the downfall of the franchise since 2010.
I miss the classic Halo days, those weekends being up all night playing Halo 3 will always be cherished memories
Another painful part of 343i's lore is how they completely retconned the forerunners actually being ancient humans. Remember Guilty Spark in Halo 3 literally saying "you are forerunner", along with other hints across the Bungie games/books. 343 said "screw that", and made the forerunners into a completely new species, and created a war between them and the ancient humans because the humans were trying to cleanse the flood, and in the process, cleansed part of a forerunner planet without explaining to the forerunners what they were up to. Apparently simple call to let the forerunners know about the flood cost too much time, and so a war of misunderstanding began over not making a phone call. The most fucking stupid reason to start a war between 2 species. I'm pretty sure that this is also one of frank o' conners MANY fuck-ups with the series, how that guy still works for Halo, only God knows.
Also, Gravemind in the level Cortana, "Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness. A father's sins passed onto his son."
I'm not sure if they crossbred (I read a fanfic that the Chief is a descendant of Bornstellar) or if they somehow used their tech to mix their genes, but the fact stands that they literally spelled it out for everyone that humanity post-activation of the Halo array are the biological children of the Forerunners.
Always hated how they put Forerunners in the game. It really took away from the mystery of everything Forerunner. They should have never appeared in the game at all aside from their artifacts.
@@bunjier4041 Honestly I don't have an issue with the idea of having them in a Halo game, my issue is similar to what you initially said which is HOW they went about doing it. I think if they showed ominous masks or hard to make out silhouettes (something along that vein) to keep the mystery but still involve them like as if the forerunners ARE still around (some of them) and ARE still pulling and tugging at the strings of the universe, trying to play god.
@@lelouchvibritannia4028 Infinitesimal gripe: Given the timescales involved practically every human in existence by the time of the Human-Covenant War would have been a descendant of Bornstellar. Not exactly a great plot point for a fanfic to use but it's nothing official so nbd.
the human-forerunner thing is also my biggest complaint lore wise aswell
We also gonna ignore to forerunners are actually humans in the original trilogy. Like they just straight up tell you that the humans are the direct heirs to the forerunner tech because they are decedents of them. It's why the prophets wanted to wipe them out.
343 Guilty Spark: “You are the child of my makers, inheritors of all they left behind. *You are Forerunner!* But this ring is mine.”
Mendicant Bias in Contact Harvest, written by Joe Staten: “This is not reclamation, this is Reclaimer, and those it represents are my makers.”
Wanna know another thing that's awesome? THEY ARE NOT EVEN PATCHING ANY OF THE HALO MCC GLITCHES! An example of this would be the memory leak in halo CE and halo 2 campaign, 343 get your shit together.
Halo is just another franchise that has fallen victim to increasingly dull corporate practices being injected into every franchise since the beginning of the 2010's.
the fact that assassins creed outlasted our halo fandom is the most criminal cultural catastrophe that’s ever happened, I even think Locke is fine - but a Halo story is supposed to be so unbelievably moving and hope giving that the newer games just disappoint that string that used to be strung - Infinite does a better job with this but you can’t replace Cortana, her names the weapon NOT cortana, and I want 343 to just acknowledge their story because it does have potential
The primary victory of Infinite was how they handled Cortana. Fixed the rampancy bs and gave us a soft reboot of her without throwing away the built universe. That was the shining light of infinite.
343 tried to do exactly what Disney has done with Star Wars.
What Amazon has tried to do with Tolkien’s work.
What Netflix has done with this Witcher and cleopatra.
They’re trying too hard to change the product and trying too hard to make these Franchises something that they’re not. They think they know better than the fans of these established stories. THEY know what the fans want, and the fans don’t. It’s the arrogance and stupidity that ruins our favorite worlds.
It’s painfully clear that 343 doesn’t care about halo, halo fans or anything but money. Halo would be better off if they stopped it altogether when Bungie bounced.
I’m so f*cking sick of modern media.
In the years that 343 had to make Halo Infinite (and release it unfinished) Bungie developed and released Halo 3 and ODST.
It was not half baked when it was released. Halo Infinite was LESS than half baked when it released. At this point in time, it has finally reached “half baked” status.
They forgot to turn the oven on.
They literaly gave the legacy of giants to children who hadent earned it. They dont care about the story and character direction as original fans do. "What makes money? Juat do that guys!" 🤓
343 is synonymous to me with unfulfilled promises. The name alone is an empty attempt at conjuring the magic of Bungie, an apt metaphor for the company as a whole.
To this day I never felt the same feeling that reach provided. The atmosphere and the music, the rough artstyle, the menu and Ui design, everything was so well packed. Besides obviously beeing the better game with better unlocks etc. I hate the MCC edition of Reach. I loved the matte painting sin the background while you were able to look at the other players ina lobby.
It jus blows my mind that 343 is still working with halo this game has so much potential so much lore and so many weapons and aliens yet we get 15% of that I just feel robbed man I love this franchise I grew up with this game from when the first Xbox came out
Why does everyone hate 343i? Because they took a successful, beloved franchise and gutted it into the ground with microtransactions. They did not try to make the game fun, they tried to make them profitable... And in doing so made them unprofitable because they took out all the fun parts and put them behind a paywall behind another paywall. They deserve the hate and scorn of their former fanbase.
I’ve seen many a 343 hate videos over the years because I don’t like anything about them but the way you put all their fumbles over the years LITERALLY MAKES ME SICK! Like my stomach is turning at how hard this stupid company and individuals leading it worked to destroy my favorite video game series and stories of all time 😭😭😵
At this point 343 as a whole should be purged of all management. I’ve heard nothing but horror stories from talented devs that want to make a great Halo game, but utter incompetence from management has made it impossible. They’re a sad joke that needs to be put down.
Yes I hope they just get rid of everyone the new guy on top seems to actually be improving halo
Yeah. A full cleansing is needed, and a much better studio with ACTUAL fans given the reigns. First order of business? Making everything except halo wars 2 not happen.
Master chief is still on ice, his story complete, and now it’s someone else’s time to shine.
Bonnie, Kiki, and Frankie are all gone. Along with some lower ranked leaders behind many questionable decisions over the years (Quinn Delhoyo the competitive guy, Brian Reed the writer of Spartan Ops/Halo 5, etc.) Sadly we did lose Tom French the forge guy (one of the very few new things 343 actually did well), but for now it remains to be seen if the new leadership can make a working and fun Halo game. Because Halo Infinite is just too far gone no matter how much they put into it.
@@perrytran9504 Yep. It needs to be done in a new game to start over, and no shop or any shit like that!
I remember when Halo 4 released in 2012.....
All my friends went from splitting Halo and COD in the rotation to fully ditching Halo it was that bad
Yeah.... I remember when it came out and my brother and I were so hyped (we've been playing Halo since we were like 8) and we both dropped the game entirely. He now has a PS5 and a Switch and mostly plays RPG games and I shortly after dropping Halo 5 sold my xbox and my games and started building a decent (above average) gaming PC and started playing SC2 amongst other games.
Still nothing has ruined a regular fanbase as much as Warcraft 3;Refunded had done. :(
I am actually hopeful now. Let halo sit for a decade or so and then reboot ignoring all 343i content and pick up where Bungie left it. Been waiting for a restart since Halo 4 came out, or at least they would just let it rest.
Thats not going to happen. All that has been newly established is not going to just stop existing. They can only try to make things more like halo or keep making mistakes that will kill the franchise
@@jackgrove4621 Well if they have already killed the franchise and it sits for a good long while it might get rebooted. Sure it is a long shot but not totally out of the cards.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug yeah but it would need a change of leadership and possible turnover of staff to get a good game. Let it sit for a while, do some small spinoffs and then maybe. great stories could be told but unfortunately the people in charge are incompetent and it would take some pressure to replace them.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug Frank O Conner is still there last I checked, best hope is Microsoft stops caring about Halo and the true passion people sneak in. This will take a decade or more.
And the problems we are seeing with our stories is more a problem of the culture degrading in general. the rich people are only a small part of that.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug Oh a degradation of culture is absolutely happening. It goes beyond just the big businesses and banks. I would also look into the state of schools and the lack of education that is now being provided and the breakdown of families that is happening across the western world. Even if you got rid of the few people at the top driving this thing we still have so much work to undo the damage that has been done.
I think major blame has to go to the decision makers for bringing in people who hate halo to make halo, again at the decision makers for their shitty business practices like microtransactions and worse is making Halo into a live service game. Honestly i played 4 and never touched another 343 halo game again, only got the MCC for 1,2,3,ODST and Reach, those were the best.
I honestly don't care about devs being laid off because when it comes down to it, over the years they couldn't perform the simplest tasks. They chose to go down the rabbit hole that was changing Halo completely and now they pay the price. Their campaigns where created by amateur designers who had no idea what made previous campaigns great before. Their art department was way over their heads by failing to do the most cognitive and common sense design choices as well as making the entire H4 campaign look like it's covered in smog, their balancing team sucked, programmers sucked, couldn't write cohesive stories without relying on expanded material, and overall they're a garbage studio with an equally garbage publisher. This is ultimately why Bungie wanted separation from Microsoft most likely and is why it's an unfair criticism to see from 343 lovers. It sucks people lose their job but that's what happens in the real world and game devs aren't special. It's really pathetic they can't release a campaign and multiplayer that matches the quality of those that were released on the OG xbox. Completely pathetic on both 343 and Microsoft.
If 343 Industries were a NFL team, they'd be the Cleveland Browns
Holy shit yeah
343 will forever be the team that removes couch gaming with your friends from HALO.
Good luck with your channel
There is a light in the dark! But not for the newer halo, but the original halo 3 on the xbox 360! Some modders out there have found a way to get back on the original servers with everything included!
Really? Thats crazy.
@@rm25088 I have seen a few people talk about this haven’t tried myself yet, that’s gotta hurt 343 & Microsoft tho that the fans would rather go back to 360 mod the servers and bring back halo 3 split screen and achievements then play the mcc version of the game because they can’t even copy and paste right lol
What a spectacular video. This is absolutely beautiful. The amount of concrete information in a short 30 minutes is not only outstanding but insanely impressive. Great job!
Thank you!
@@HeyPalski Seriously, great work. As a die hard Halo fan since 2001, unfortunately 343i ruined that for many Halo veterans. Halo The Master Chief Collection is what really made me turn against 343i Not only was Halo 4 bad but MCC releasing that way was absolutely unacceptable.
@@BrandonStrugy I was hyped to buy MCC and an Xbox One because *checks notes* they were simply re releasing old games. Thankfully I waited for reviews before buying. How do you mess up an old game on new tech????
And so begins the career of another halo TH-camr
You forgot to mention that Halo 5's warzone was pay to win.
I don’t think Ive ever been so let down with a game as I have been with Halo Infinite, like even Fallout 76 wasn’t as bad as this, at least it wasn’t for me and Im a massive fan of both.
I remember getting MCC at launch and it was the most broken thing I’ve ever played. I’m glad it got fixed (and I’ve had a lot of fun with it after), but that disappointment I had with it in 2014 stuck with me.
And Bungie is over here (while not perfect) slaying it with destiny2. 343 have ruined a franchise
While Bungie is running a profitable game it’s worth noting the damn thing is a recursive loop. Introduce concept, tease for year release concept, beat concept/villain/entire expansion in an afternoon, tease new concept repeat ad naususm. Rasputin ad a character was introduced nearly a decade ago spoke and acted in riddle up until d2 warmind then was swiftly defeated in a 2 minute cutscene, he then sat in an engram for 3 years before being reactivated just to be killed again at the end of the seasons content. The only difference between 343 and bungie at this point is that bungie figured out how to run their pony show effectively. They can delay, nerf, do anything with impunity because they managed to make a game so addictive that people will shell out 100$ a year to kill remix’s of the same 2 bosses we’ve fought for a decade.
One thing people got very pissed off about was the entire ruining of the Halo lore. Some people will state it was halo 3 that ruined it but another youtuber actually reviewed that idea in his video. Stating that it was around the H4 period so 2012 which lead to issues because of beef frank.The H3 terminals though were simply interpretated wrongly.
Aside that while my faith is very diminished I have some hope that Pierre hintz is competent enough to communicate with what is left of all departments as well as making it more free flow rather than entirely relying on the 3 business days later message finally received, 3 business days later message sent back. Rather than walk to department "hey blah blah blah" reponse:got it working on it now. *1 day later done*
Since he worked on MCC and made it good. Hell even is able to get cut content or content locked behind merely videos or even locked on a 22 year old device aka the og xbox.
Absolutely Lorewise Halo had been going downhill well before Halo 5, people should have payed more attention to the crap authors they were hiring.
Honestly Lore issues started with Reach really hypocritical of Bungie (or just Frank O’Conor) given how in the past they were willingly to integrate EU stuff like ODSTs or MC being a Supersoldier instead of a Cyborg
When I heard they were going to have a 10 year plan for halo I immediately thought of the 10 year plan for destiny 1 I knew it was going to be a load of BS
I immediately thought of the Soviet Union
Hope you enjoy the video!
Do you all think 343 deserves the all the criticism they receive? Did they mishandle the halo series? Do you disagree with what's been said in the video? Let me know!
Yes they haven’t made a good halo game in 10+ years
Quick resume exists on other XboxSeries titles, a lot of other titles. 22:07
Some over-emphasized explanations, but good video!
@@taipaulsen4347 Haven't ever**
@@OrangeJambo wow…just realized I made an editing error there. I meant halo infinite is the only game that crashes during quick resume lol
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The reason is simple, they've done nothing but deliver disappointment after disappointment. Microsoft needs to dissolve the studio and give the Halo franchise to a studio like ID. Just looking at how they took years.....I repeat YEARS just to make the MC collection to simply function. And then they talked about putting microtransactions in the collection because no one buys them in Infinite.
My idea for Halo TV Episode Names:
Season 1:
1. Insurrection
2. Spartans Never Die
3. The Assembly
4. First Contact
5. Reclamation
6. XI Boötis A
7. Hat Yai
8. Groombridge-1830
Season 2:
9. SPARTAN-III Program
10. Vodin
11. Jericho VII
12. Charybdis IX
13. The Rubble
14. Operation: PROMETHEUS
15. Kholo
16. Alluvion
17. Psi Serpentis
18. Miridem
19. Draco III
Season 3:
20. Operation: TORPEDO
21. Actium
22. Sargasso
23. Skopje
24. Meridian
25. Paris IV
26. Fumirole
27. Remember Reach
Season 4:
28. Tribute
29. New Jerusalem
30. Mount Haven
31. The Mantle
32. Operation: FIRST STRIKE
33. They're Just Missing In Action
34. Schism
35. Reclaimer
Bam. There's probably hundreds of ideas they could've used from the Human-Covenant War alone, much less the Forerunner era or even the Precursors. That's MY idea as a Halo fan.
All they had to do was hire someone who loves Halo, but noooooo Kiki, go ahead and green light an awful script! 😡
Halo has been dead since 4. Infinite is just a 10 year punchline after the fans fell for the same joke 4 god damn times
Also bonnie ross gets way too much flak for halo. If anyones on my shitlist, its Frank first. You look anywhere in this, and hes there at the forefront. Hes been wrong about halo since fucking BUNGIE had the game! 343 shills will use 1 set of terminals from halo 3, the iris campaign, and one 4 panel comic to try and ignore the entire bungie story. The best part (ignoring that his work was minscule in the actual story) is that Frank couldnt even get his own god damn story right! Not only was the media he made for halo completely counter to the story at the time (See: Bungie flat out saying humans are forerunners in the games and with mendicant bias, as well as all of hints they put leading up to sparks reveal in 3), but even within the terminals he wrote, his works are completely incoherent. Things happen completely out of order, plans make no sense and run counter to themselves (we’ll put humanity on keyships and fire the rings while theyre in slipspace! Then the librarian destroys all the keyships for some reason?). Even better, his terminals disagree with his comic!
Not only does Frankie have no respect for the story Bungie made, he has no respect for the story HE made a paragraph or two after he just fucking wrote it! That or his mental faculties are so debilitated that he cant remember anything he writes.
If youre gonna blame any 1 person, dont blame bonnie, blame Frank!
343 deserves all backlash. The halo community have been very vocal in what we want to see in halo. At this point its all intentional, 343 is purposely killing halo.
Every time I hear the 10 year plan all I can think is that it will take them 10 years to give us everything that we should have had at launch. Or they are just gonna keep rotating the shop for the next 10 years.
The Sketch guy saying they need to discuss about feasibility…
Me: How about I feed you these nuts and make you choke on them until you actually give fans what they want at launch.
What a disgrace for the Halo Series. Halo 1 has slayer and other one in the trilogy.
They earned the hate
With Frank O Connor still there, we're not going anywhere. It's too late anyway, over 10 years of retcons and garbage. There's just no way to undo and forget about it all, it'd just be more ways of fucked.
i never really understood why we kept getting less and less in the halo games. we ALWAYS had to report and fight for things we should’ve already gotten and deserved… i played infinite until i saw the halo reach bundles… we had to pay for armor that was made a decade ago and not even by them… THAT alone had said everything to me and i have deleted infinite and have yet to touch a 343 halo game since.
It's like every game gets more and more stripped down. The fact that you can spend $60 on the campaign, and another $20 on battle passes, and STILL have to pay for armor colors is ridiculous.
Hell, even if you actually wanted to spend more money in the shop you cant because 95% of the items are "vaulted". It's like most of the armor is locked behind an additional pay wall AND still unobtainable lol.
What's been done to Halo by 343i really reminds me of what Disney has done with Star Wars. Unforgivably terrible.
No offense but I doubt most of those ppl have ever played a halo game in their life 25.57. They look more like SJW than game developers.
The pronouns that they use to describe themselves is proof of that.
What lesson do we learn today, kids?
Whenever your fanbase called you out on your bs, instead of alleviating their concerns, just be as passive-aggressive as possible. If they keep rightfully complaining, just make the game worse to play, that'll teach 'em.
They really showed us!
343 hated OG Halo (this is confirmed) so of course they changed a bunch of things and fought with the community to keep it their way (ex. The artstyle, the Forerunners, the multiplayer changes).
343 hiring people who hated Halo and Master Chief really reflects on 343's disastrous demolition of a much loved franchise. Please burn the studio to the ground and give the Halo IP to a studio that actually cares and builds on the Halo that Bungie masterfully conceived. Reboot everything 343 did, starting with their interpretation of the Forerunners and every stupid concept and idea that 343 introduced.
I don’t give a damn about this “muh devs” talking point that’s been popular with YongYea and every commentary TH-camrs like to cite, if they gotta throw the whole studio away, do it. It stopped being about management when they hired people with ideas contrary to Halo, that doesn’t magically go away.
If someone doesn't understand why people hate 343i, he hasn't played a Halo game.
Halo infinite’s campaign story was so bad that he didn’t even mention it 😂
That doesn't even make sense, Infinite's campaign is literally widely regarded to be great.
@@reddishcarp1237 the nostalgia sprinkled in it is great. The actual campaign itself is basically the rise of Skywalker all over again. I crappy mess trying to correct the screw ups from the last game.
what 343 did to the halo series, should be considered a crime. How they treated Bungie and refusing to ever put the flood back into the game because they thought they could make better cooler enemies was enough for me to feel they dont deserve to be on any AAA game ever again i would never trust them on any of my big budget games ever again.
Relatively unknown issue happened sometime in 2011 iirc when 343i took over from Bungie; They updated halo wars to "fix" an extremely rare theatre bug that would crash the game when watching the awesome Blur cutscenes. Instead of fixing it they broke the game and removed most of the previous patches completely destroying the already poor balance and it took about half a year for them to fix. It's been a rocky road since the very start. They basically never touched wars again after that.
This video aged like a fine scotch. A year later and 343 just keeps leaving us surprised by how horrible they are
I honestly feel like we’re headed in the direction of another gaming crash like the 80s they keep raising the prices of games even though the majority of that price used to go to distribution and now everything is digital basically they keep giving games less and less content in the case of halo and cod and even if a game does have content it’s released in an unplayable state and stays like that for months on end
I miss when games were 60 in canada. Now they're 90
Look at the Indie game industry. Not saying AAA has nothing to offer, but (at least for me and many others) it has severely deteriorated in the past 15 ish years. I remember when I got my xbox 360 and my family didn't have a whole lot of money so I could only get a game every once in awhile and when we went to a game store I would have to decide "Do I want 2 games that came out awhile ago that are now on sale for $30~ or 1 brand new release for $60?" Nowadays with AAA for me it's "Do I trust this developer to deliver on their promises and be competent enough to deliver a game that has soul and direction to it and buy this game on launch for $60 or do I just never buy it at all"
Most of the games I play nowdays are made by Indie developers. They're not always perfect, but a lot of them are pretty damn fucking good like Terraria, CrossCode, Riftbreaker, A Hat In Time, Black Skylands, 7days to die, Necesse, the Ori games, Risk of Rain 1&2, Valheim, etc. I could go on and on. The last AAA game I bought was Elden Ring. I remember buying 4-6~ AAA games a year as a kid (again family didn't have a lot of money) and most of the time it was a couple months after release because I couldn't afford to buy them brand new most of the time. Nowadays I barely even glance at most AAA games past the initial trailers because it's become so blatantly obvious if a game has that special magic and soul to it or not.
It has gotten to the point where I only play retro games. There's plenty out there I haven't played, and these old games are cheaper
I used to think this but there are too many casual people still willing to drop huge amounts of money on 30mins of flashy graphics per day and a crappy $0.15 skin for $4.99. The Kahnzumer is an animal.
People been saying this for 20 years. I'll believe it when I see it.
Not too mention Frank O’ Connor retconned the humans being forerunners lore that bungie spent 5 games establishing. The didact should’ve been a human not a different alien species
They are so bad at their jobs they make the people that made ride to hell retribution look good lo😂
343 to me is the symptom of a larger disease which is Microsoft Games Studios.
343 is just like Lionhead to mean. Potentially great studios ground into dust by low funding and pressure to fill in the massive gap in the game library of Xbox.
These devs have literally ruined the Halo legacy to the point where only Halo 1-3 and Reach exist.
Every now and then when people start talking about how bad 343 is, I'm reminded that some dufus at IGN said it was the best Halo ever and gave it a near perfect score.
Personally, I think the studio is poorly ran like everything else at MS Games and what sealed it for me is that these mfs sent out the shockingly racist Juneteeth skin by labeling it Banobo which is a monkey.
And nobody gave af because it's 343 and Halo is dead
infinite has the worst maps of any halo game. most of them are 3 lane generic maps that have an overabundance of cover and piss poor lines of sight. this is turn makes gameplay very random and sporadic.
"Sprint was added and it did not change the entire dynamic of the game". Nope. Not even close.
I jumped ship at Halo 4, I'm genuinely disappointed it took the rest of you this long to grow tired of 343
I think the problem is the 343 marketing. Every time it was “we’ve learned and we’ll do better next time”. But I’m really done after this point. Should I have realized it sooner? Probably. But now I’ll never buy another 343 game again until months after release and see the community sentiment.
People forget how bad Halo 4 truly was. God awful melodramatic campaign with a new version of chief and Cortana who were acting like different people, prometheans who were straight up not fun to fight, weapons that ran out of ammo in 2 seconds no good vehicle sections, linear levels and call of duty multiplayer.
12:31 ah…. Esports consultants…. What a dumb idea.
“Hey, let’s ask the 0.01% of gamers what would improve the game for them, I’m sure 99.99% of our other fans will LOVE it!”
You are wrong. Sprint is anathema to Halo gameplay. And evolving doesnt mean adding useless mechanics that dont work in the context of your game, but to improve and evolve the mainstay mechanics and features. An evolution of Halo entails shit like better co op with more options. Better forge and ai and text scripting to make mini campaigns, better graphical fidelity, a better armor system than Reach, improving the credit system from Reach and adding more armor parts.
Im sick and fucking tired of normies saying that adding sprint is an evolution to Halo, as if the adding of that shit is positive in any way
I've always wanted another "Reach" like title where you have your own Spartan in campaign and multiplayer with fun modes that vary between big team battles and also co-op modes like Firefight. The sad truth is though I hope we don't get this anytime soon because I wouldn't trust 343 to do it justice
It is both hilarious and reassuring to witness the spawn of hundreds of new TH-camrs over this lackluster game and studio.
The voice of the people is undeniable
I can’t believe I actually bought all of these…I’m disgusting in myself
Reminds me of what Disney did to Star Wars although I have to say what they did to Star Wars was FAR worse than what’s been done to Halo. I still have so much love for Halo and I can still appreciate some things about the 343 era but obviously what we had in the Bungie era was magical and irreplaceable as we’re finding out with each 343 release.
And like with Star Wars the seeds for this crap show were planted well in advance
For Star Wars it was Dave Filoni’s retcon festival TCW
For Halo it was Frank O’Connor’s incompetence and retcons of the Forerunners and Reach lore wise anyways
I don't see how exactly? Halo is like beyond fuck especially fron story perspective vs star wars which has more room for error.
I just don't get it, like seriously, I don't get how 343 has *repeatedly* fucked up so badly. They fumbled Halo so hard that a classic fan like myself just doesn't care about it anymore aside from the classic Bungie era.
I feel the one things skipped aber that has been a huge thing in every 343 game is the game breaking bugs and unplayable nature at launch. The content hasn’t just become less content, but worse and less polished. We are driving a care that’s already lost it’s tires, fenders, doors, roof, windows, mirrors, and we are riding on rims towards a cliff. They’ve had too many chances. Pass the torch.
All the clowns in that thumbnail are ironically (or not) gone lol
343 got their money from halo. It’s time they pack their shit, give halo to a company that understands the actual gave and not 343’s shitty gimmicks, and make them start from scratch while still keeping what Halo fans love about the game
Take a beloved property and release multiple titles over about a decade that are worse and worse further away from a series beginnings? Worked out well for Star Wars right? Oh wait no, DON’T do that!
At this point any of the multiple studios that works on CoD can make a better Halo game so why do we need 343? Let Treyarch make the next Halo game, that would be absurdly smart, that or get Respawn entertainment and let them have a go at it.
I feel like these companies are purposely destroying themselves so they can cash out before WW3 LOL
I'm never buy another 343 game again, Infinite was the last straw
I genuinely still play halo 5, multiplayer (infection) is super fun with friends