I used the Toddy for decades and loved it, only switched off for a while because I kinda missed the bitterness of strong, espresso-type coffee. The Toddy makes a very smooth brew, not very acidic at all. One note, please read the Toddy instructions: the manufacturer recommend rinsing the felted filter in cool water only and storing it in the fridge between uses. They last for YEARS if you care for them properly. I only ever replaced mine when I accidentally left one out on the counter and it molded 😅! Also, if you have a garden, please compost your used grounds, they're excellent for plants! Enjoy 🎉
I've had the Hario for a few years now. The toddy looks like it would make amount of cold brew that would be more ideal for the amount that we drink, just can't go past the convenience of the Hario and fridge space 🤙🏾
The Toddy seems cool. I think one redesign I’d like to see is the toddy have a top that can handle being flipped upside down. This way one can take up the plug at the bottom, place the cup where it goes and flip
I use the Toddy after my Hario got dropped. I find cleaning the fabric filters easy, i give it a good rinse and every couple of brews I soak them in a glass with some Cafetto Evo for a bit and they come up nice and clean.
Not sure why you are tasting the Toddy without diluting it. The whole point of the system is to make CONCENTRATE that you then dilute with water or milk. Generally 1 parts coffee to 2 or even 3 parts water/milk, depending on how long you steep the coffee... which also makes comparing the amount of bean needed between the two completely irrelevant. That batch of Toddy will give you 3 or 4 times as much coffee to drink as the Hario batch. Tried both. Found the Toddy to be the winner - one batch a week keeps me in morning coffee whereas the Hario neededed a fresh batch every 2-3 days and used more coffee overall, making it more expensive.
@@Scriptadiaboly So ONLY testing it the way YOU like it and NOT the way it was INTENDED (as in the written instructions that come with it) seems like appropriate reviewing to you? Call me crazy, but that seems extremely self important. He's reviewing a product for an audience wider than you, buddy. He should be testing its use AS INTENDED and directed. Toddy is a cold brew CONCENTRATE maker. It's right there in the packaging and the directions and the marketing. The fact that you like it differently is fine, but should not dictate the parameters of a review - especially a comparison with another product. Good luck out there. Try and recognize that not everybody is going to tailor their content to your personal desires. That might help you be disappointed less often.
Literally both can brew similar cold brew. The only advantage of Toddy lies in the capacity. But I rarely make cold brew due to the lower extraction when using cool water, resulting in wastage.
I have to side with the Toddy as I prefer paper filter. The old Today's didn't come with that lid so you have to use a plate or cling wrap. The paper bags are a big improvement over just the fabric filter. I've also found to clean the fabric filter, much like puck screens and cloth filters, soak them in some espresso cleaner and then give it a real good rinse. In the Queensland summer sun it will dry in no time. Out of curiosity do Toddy sell that lid for it's older customers?
Thanks for sharing! Yeah the paper filtration is a bonus and makes better coffee than the Hario for sure. Good point. I do not believe they sell these separately unfortunately ! :(
I have used the Toddy method of coffee brewing off and on since the mid-1970s. I got out of the habit over several house moves with the loss of plug and filter, and am now thinking of taking it up again. Never used a grinder, just bought already ground coffee available at the grocery, so not coarse ground, probably fairly fine ground. Never used a paper bag. That must have been added on later, and I can't help but think that paper must do something unpleasant to the final flavor, considering how paper is made. If I ever decide to have something in the brewing chamber to hold the grounds it will likely be a linen or cotton drawstring bag, that I will put in the laundry with everything else that needs washing. As to the filter plug, which in the USA is made of felted, not woven material, I will just pop it into the dishwasher as I used to do all the time when I was doing Toddy. The ratio I got was a 1:8 for what to me was the ideal concentration, using 454 grams of ground coffee with just shy of 2 Liters of cold water, brewed at room temperature over 24 hours. Between myself and my husband, lasted 1 week. Never had a lid, so will likely just use a plate to keep the brew protected from dust.
ALL SUCH SILLINIESS! OK I use a .10c VOSS glass bottle, large, add good water and ground coffee, shake and let it brew over night. Next morning, run it through an AEROPRESS, makes 2 good size mugs of coffee.
The Hario is the same as The one from the Country Line Store using a mason jar in which I had use. This one left some grounds in the bottom (not much), but for me it is very annoying. I also have the Toddy, for now I prefer the Toddy. I can dilute this by glass if I prefer. It really does not leave grounds behind. I have drank the Toddy straight "NOT MY JAM." I have added milk, cream. and sugar upon that it was great With the Toddy I used 3 cups of coarse ground, this made it too strong. I like to say "A Chest Buster." Next time I will try 2 cups.
Wuld you be able to tell me what the width of the hario is? I dont much prefer the glass (breakable life situation and work) but I have a simliar sized thing that might slot nicely.
I find it mildly funny it doesn't have that "put on lid and it opens the drain" those have been around in various ways since the 90s at least. Tea tech and all. That would make that unplugging a bit less weird. Imagine slipping and dropping that drain plug into the decanter
Hey - so I've used a medium to coarse grind. You'll want to grind it yourself or get someone to grind it for you., To my knowledge there's no supermarket that sells ground coffee for cold brew. Which grinder you use is really up to you. Coarse grinds for cold brew - want to be ground by a ceramic or steel burr grinder - and not a Blade / spice grinder 👌 that's really about it
@@AlternativeBrewing I’m using the DF64 gen 2 with DLC espresso burrs. Just followed your recipe on your video so we will see if I used the right grind setting. On the DF64 gen 2, I was at grind setting 78 and noticed that my lid was moving open and the grind setting opened up to like 82 after I was done grinding all those beans.
I don't know where you got your dilution math from 😂 if the toddy is 1:6 and the hario is 1:10, then you need to add less than 1 part water per 1 part coffee to get to the same strength.
You're absolutely right! DW my math was triple-checked - and was pointing me towards 25-30ml. IRL this was way off for flavour experience. I kept trying until 70ml cold brew to 80ml water to get a similar flavour experience to the 1:10. This is a very limited experiment though and may not work across the board 🫶
Another advantage of the Toddy: as it’s a two piece brewer, you can brew your next batch while still drinking the current one. That’s huge, as the long brew times, would mean getting a second Hario, or going without for the 24 hour brew period. ‘Course, I guess you could empty the Hario into mugs/glasses, whatever, and start brewing right away for the next day…. Never mind.
So let me get this straight. You wanted to compare the qualities of the resultant brew of two different coffee makers, but then you proceeded to use DIFFERENT ratios of coffee and water in each one. Is that correct? You basically destroyed the value of any results, by not keeping all the other factors consistent.
I think the math is more complex but simple. The 1:1 ratio for the concentrate actually makes sense. Instead of doing the algebra let’s use real life measurements. The algebra says that you need to multiply the 1:6 by approximately 1.666 times more water to get to the same concentrate. Which is what you said was way too weak. Let’s simplify it. If we say it was 1oz of coffee with 6 oz of water in the toddy and the other is 1oz of coffee to 10 oz. You would need to add 4 oz of water to the first to make it even. So that is way closer to a 1:1 concentrate to water ration. Say the brew was 1:5 vs 1:10 you would add 5 oz of water to make them even which is exactly a 1:1 ratio of concentrate to water. For some reason that doesn’t seem right but it makes sense right?
I’ve used the toddy for a few years and love it. I use a ratio of 400g coffee to 2l of water. I then dilute it 1 part coffee to 2 parts water or milk.
Nice 👍
We also use the Toddy system. 340g coffee for 14 hours (room temperature). We love the strong but not bitter or acidic coffee it makes.
I used the Toddy for decades and loved it, only switched off for a while because I kinda missed the bitterness of strong, espresso-type coffee. The Toddy makes a very smooth brew, not very acidic at all.
One note, please read the Toddy instructions: the manufacturer recommend rinsing the felted filter in cool water only and storing it in the fridge between uses. They last for YEARS if you care for them properly. I only ever replaced mine when I accidentally left one out on the counter and it molded 😅!
Also, if you have a garden, please compost your used grounds, they're excellent for plants! Enjoy 🎉
Legend! Thanks so much for your help 🙏
I've had the Hario for a few years now. The toddy looks like it would make amount of cold brew that would be more ideal for the amount that we drink, just can't go past the convenience of the Hario and fridge space 🤙🏾
The Toddy seems cool. I think one redesign I’d like to see is the toddy have a top that can handle being flipped upside down.
This way one can take up the plug at the bottom, place the cup where it goes and flip
I use the Toddy after my Hario got dropped. I find cleaning the fabric filters easy, i give it a good rinse and every couple of brews I soak them in a glass with some Cafetto Evo for a bit and they come up nice and clean.
Great tip!
Do you never change the filters?
I like to use the Hario filter in a tall glass of water after using it to extend the cold brew amounts.
Or you could get a 1 gallon pitcher and use 2 Harios at once, pour them out, then pour more water in afterwards and let it sit another 12 hours.
Not sure why you are tasting the Toddy without diluting it. The whole point of the system is to make CONCENTRATE that you then dilute with water or milk. Generally 1 parts coffee to 2 or even 3 parts water/milk, depending on how long you steep the coffee... which also makes comparing the amount of bean needed between the two completely irrelevant.
That batch of Toddy will give you 3 or 4 times as much coffee to drink as the Hario batch. Tried both. Found the Toddy to be the winner - one batch a week keeps me in morning coffee whereas the Hario neededed a fresh batch every 2-3 days and used more coffee overall, making it more expensive.
No, it's not a whole point. I never dilute my cold brew, love when it espresso type strong
@@Scriptadiaboly So ONLY testing it the way YOU like it and NOT the way it was INTENDED (as in the written instructions that come with it) seems like appropriate reviewing to you?
Call me crazy, but that seems extremely self important.
He's reviewing a product for an audience wider than you, buddy. He should be testing its use AS INTENDED and directed. Toddy is a cold brew CONCENTRATE maker. It's right there in the packaging and the directions and the marketing.
The fact that you like it differently is fine, but should not dictate the parameters of a review - especially a comparison with another product.
Good luck out there. Try and recognize that not everybody is going to tailor their content to your personal desires. That might help you be disappointed less often.
Literally both can brew similar cold brew. The only advantage of Toddy lies in the capacity.
But I rarely make cold brew due to the lower extraction when using cool water, resulting in wastage.
The Toddy is strong. 4 oz is all you need. I do 4 oz Toddy and 4 oz milk.
I have to side with the Toddy as I prefer paper filter. The old Today's didn't come with that lid so you have to use a plate or cling wrap. The paper bags are a big improvement over just the fabric filter.
I've also found to clean the fabric filter, much like puck screens and cloth filters, soak them in some espresso cleaner and then give it a real good rinse. In the Queensland summer sun it will dry in no time.
Out of curiosity do Toddy sell that lid for it's older customers?
Thanks for sharing! Yeah the paper filtration is a bonus and makes better coffee than the Hario for sure. Good point.
I do not believe they sell these separately unfortunately ! :(
I have used the Toddy method of coffee brewing off and on since the mid-1970s. I got out of the habit over several house moves with the loss of plug and filter, and am now thinking of taking it up again. Never used a grinder, just bought already ground coffee available at the grocery, so not coarse ground, probably fairly fine ground. Never used a paper bag. That must have been added on later, and I can't help but think that paper must do something unpleasant to the final flavor, considering how paper is made. If I ever decide to have something in the brewing chamber to hold the grounds it will likely be a linen or cotton drawstring bag, that I will put in the laundry with everything else that needs washing. As to the filter plug, which in the USA is made of felted, not woven material, I will just pop it into the dishwasher as I used to do all the time when I was doing Toddy. The ratio I got was a 1:8 for what to me was the ideal concentration, using 454 grams of ground coffee with just shy of 2 Liters of cold water, brewed at room temperature over 24 hours. Between myself and my husband, lasted 1 week. Never had a lid, so will likely just use a plate to keep the brew protected from dust.
So good! Thanks for sharing! and love the raw material filters and plug for re-using 🙌 great way to do it
ALL SUCH SILLINIESS! OK I use a .10c VOSS glass bottle, large, add good water and ground coffee, shake and let it brew over night. Next morning, run it through an AEROPRESS, makes 2 good size mugs of coffee.
The Hario is the same as The one from the Country Line Store using a mason jar in which I had use. This one left some grounds in the bottom (not much), but for me it is very annoying. I also have the Toddy, for now I prefer the Toddy. I can dilute this by glass if I prefer. It really does not leave grounds behind. I have drank the Toddy straight "NOT MY JAM." I have added milk, cream. and sugar upon that it was great With the Toddy I used 3 cups of coarse ground, this made it too strong. I like to say "A Chest Buster." Next time I will try 2 cups.
Wuld you be able to tell me what the width of the hario is? I dont much prefer the glass (breakable life situation and work) but I have a simliar sized thing that might slot nicely.
11cm in diameter 👌
Thanks boss@@AlternativeBrewing
I find it mildly funny it doesn't have that "put on lid and it opens the drain" those have been around in various ways since the 90s at least. Tea tech and all. That would make that unplugging a bit less weird. Imagine slipping and dropping that drain plug into the decanter
😂 hahaah yeah there's plenty a mess to be had
Can you talk to the grinder and grind size you used?
Hey - so I've used a medium to coarse grind. You'll want to grind it yourself or get someone to grind it for you., To my knowledge there's no supermarket that sells ground coffee for cold brew. Which grinder you use is really up to you. Coarse grinds for cold brew - want to be ground by a ceramic or steel burr grinder - and not a Blade / spice grinder 👌 that's really about it
@@AlternativeBrewing I’m using the DF64 gen 2 with DLC espresso burrs. Just followed your recipe on your video so we will see if I used the right grind setting. On the DF64 gen 2, I was at grind setting 78 and noticed that my lid was moving open and the grind setting opened up to like 82 after I was done grinding all those beans.
I don't know where you got your dilution math from 😂 if the toddy is 1:6 and the hario is 1:10, then you need to add less than 1 part water per 1 part coffee to get to the same strength.
You're absolutely right! DW my math was triple-checked - and was pointing me towards 25-30ml. IRL this was way off for flavour experience. I kept trying until 70ml cold brew to 80ml water to get a similar flavour experience to the 1:10. This is a very limited experiment though and may not work across the board 🫶
Another advantage of the Toddy: as it’s a two piece brewer, you can brew your next batch while still drinking the current one. That’s huge, as the long brew times, would mean getting a second Hario, or going without for the 24 hour brew period. ‘Course, I guess you could empty the Hario into mugs/glasses, whatever, and start brewing right away for the next day…. Never mind.
@@coreycannon4511 That's a fantastic point!
Can the mizudashi be airtight closed or the air in the fridge is allowed to interract with coffee?
So let me get this straight. You wanted to compare the qualities of the resultant brew of two different coffee makers, but then you proceeded to use DIFFERENT ratios of coffee and water in each one. Is that correct? You basically destroyed the value of any results, by not keeping all the other factors consistent.
I think the math is more complex but simple. The 1:1 ratio for the concentrate actually makes sense. Instead of doing the algebra let’s use real life measurements. The algebra says that you need to multiply the 1:6 by approximately 1.666 times more water to get to the same concentrate. Which is what you said was way too weak. Let’s simplify it. If we say it was 1oz of coffee with 6 oz of water in the toddy and the other is 1oz of coffee to 10 oz. You would need to add 4 oz of water to the first to make it even. So that is way closer to a 1:1 concentrate to water ration. Say the brew was 1:5 vs 1:10 you would add 5 oz of water to make them even which is exactly a 1:1 ratio of concentrate to water. For some reason that doesn’t seem right but it makes sense right?
you're right - i've tried it both ways and it doesn't always taste the same - although the maths suggests it should 😂
How do you explain to your friends that you make your coffee in a "Toddy" without being sent to a crisis group?
hahaha 😂 yeah I see your point. Perhaps get them to try it first without telling them how you made it - maybe that'll change their minds 😀
English accents make everything seem more intelligent. You sound like you're from..... Britain?
hahaha wow thanks! 🫶 No - Im from Australia