How To Listen To Trunked Police Radio And Why Im Done
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Well, here's a complete how-to if you want to do this yourself in your area - just please be sure you are legal, there are a lot of restrictions in many areas. And I show you why I'm done with it FAR earlier than I wanted to be obviously.
We need to have this done to our phones, emails and anything else they can snoop on. Then push to make it illegal for a public servant to listen to.
This aged like a fine wine
They can use encryption (even if it hides illegal corruption) but if a few rug dealers use an encrypted messenger it's an issue
#abolishthem
My understanding is that it is illegal per FCC rules to encrypt all frequencies used by local agencies. They can, however, encrypt tactical channels. I worked dispatch in the past when we used straight analogue. The public could hear our bolo's, emergencies, everything. We would get all kinds of assistance from folk out in scannerland who'd call in telling us where a wanted person or vehicle was in real time. Now, nothing. LE has driven an unnecessary wedge between themselves and the citizens.
As well, I think the citizens have a right to know if there is criminal activity, manhunt, chase, etc going on in their area in real time.
There are a few of us that listen to help ident.
Lots of Illinois counties use full encryption unfortunately
Can't even listen to my local animal control (and FD appears to be slowly migrating from analog) yet they expect the community to help??
It's actually illegal for them to encrypt their frequencies. It falls under the same problem as if they ran their body cams with duct tape over the lens and mic. They tried to make police scanners illegal, and the supreme court ruled that all over air communication made by public entities have to be easily rx'd by the general public without encryption. There were a few exemptions, i.e... The military during classified communications. You may have just won the lottery if you sue them.
Ben Hawke do you have a link to the Supreme Court case for that ruling saying it must be easily received? I’d be really curious to see that ruling. Here in FL, encryption runs rampant and I’d love to throw that in the jack boot Sheriff’s and Police Chiefs pushing for encrypted communications.
Absolute B u l l s h i t!!
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Sorry.. I don't know why I'm just seeing this reply. A year ago I could've shown you that supreme court ruling because I was researching something at the time when I came across your video. But now I don't remember. You'd probably find it just as fast as me now. But I'll try to look it up again. I'd say Google it, but Google sucks now so try duck duck go.
agencies joined HOMEAND SECURITY -- pds arnt local entities ever since just after 911
government anency claiming there milatary and claiming milatary exemptions decides
I get so upset with encryption. Public safety departments are too damn secretive and this drives a stake between them and the citizens they work for. It creates distrust and and frustration. You'd think during times like these they'd want more transparency. The Federal government and radio salesmen push it and departments eat it up.
Criminals and gangs wish it was more transparent too.
They're acting like masters who have a lot to hide rather than the servants they're suppose to be.
@@johnirby493 reply is the fruit of an ill-informed public that uses emotions rather than thought. The gangs run the drugs, do the hits, gang-stalking run the children/sex slaves etc for the elite, Intel, and powerful politicians who make a lot of money from/off them. I remember asking myself 20 years ago or more before I educated myself, this question... how come these known gangs that hang out with machine guns, in the cities are never raided or arrested? Some low ranking ones are, noncom,s are to fund/fill the criminal industry complex/Law and ONLY enough as crime = more money, more power, more public fear, thus less civil liberties for all.
Where are the gangs that hang out with machine guns, who work for politicians, located in the U.S.?@@RLH-xr8nd
@@johnirby493 police are the gangs and criminals
I feel your pain. I live in St. Lucie county on the east coast of Florida and my local system recently switched to the P25 system and I'm pissed. I understand wanting better officer safety but I feel this has gone too far. They say that want transparency but them they go do stuff like this. If you say anything negative about the switch in RR they will ban you.
I hope you continue the channel with your HAM radio adventures.
It's a public safety issue that puts us in danger not knowing what is going on when systems are encrypted. No department needs every channel encrypted, in fact, no department needs more than a couple encrypted channels. For those that have encrypted you can fight it but you need to go to council meetings and the media. Some have even gone to court and won. It's also a risk for outside agencies who can't communicate or monitor the channels. And as found they have issues with encryption even locally putting first responders in danger. Unless you fight it, nothing will change though.
Wait a while. Someone will figure it out. I miss listening to my local police dept.
...allowed you to sleep at night, eh.
Most public safety communications that use DVP/DES are very hard to de-encrypt. It really is illegal to de-encrypt them. Also it is illegal in some states to use a scanner in a vehicle.
That's on point for caution type thing. And I don't know how to decrypt it and I worked with it lol
Yes you can legally decrypt any over there air transmissions . The rub comes > You cannot legally share the decrypted information .
Nope. You can decode digitally encoded transmissions but not decrypt encrypted transmissions. There is a difference. Digitally encoded communication can be in-the-clear and legal to monitor but not encrypted communication. Besides, decrypting would require a key to be obtained illegally or computing resources that only a very few people in the entire world have access to.
Miachel Nance - there is NO Legal way for Obtaining a Decription Key for a Digital Public Safety Radio using Encryption in ANY City or County. and its a Federal Crime to Listen to Analog Celluar transmissions as well as ANY Digital Encrypted Transmmision and using a Decryption Key.
@@markplott4820 Give it time, eventually that encryption will be cracked, just like everything else. The thing about their encryption is, it all falls under a certain range of bits. The good thing about police radios too, is that when it is finally cracked, they will be using those systems for a long time. Most systems are used for 10+ years before they are upgraded.
@@TheUniversalEyes - Issue with Encryption is NOT with the Ability of Someone breaking Digital Encryption, but rather the CRIME Accociated with Breaking Encryption , weither YOU can Break Encryption or NOT is a MOOT POINT, its Still a FEDERAL CRIME to Break Digital Encryption.
@@markplott4820 cite the federal statutes that make it illegal to decrypt encrypted communication.
I didn’t quite understand what you were talking about when you said you needed 2 receivers. Say I wanted to just monitor 1 p25 frequency, and no others, could I get away with one?
In my area they are using the NEC Ipassolink system with rolling encryption that can be changed every day or even every minute the system uses a OTA programming which mean all radios can be selectively programmed or reprogrammed for individual purposes or group operations on any given moment, this can even compartmentalize secure communications within there own departments so as to keep "a need to know" fully secure,this came at a cost of around $600 million +, i have seen the encryption described in a video..blew my mind... we have no chance.. update... all services here are moving across to this secure network.. (NSW Australia)
The county is governed of , by and for the people . You are a taxpayer. ( i assume ) .. But anyway. How can it be illegal for citizens to listen to local and county police transmissions ? Encrypted or not ? Digital or not ? . I think that as citizens we should have complete access to all their trannsmitted communications.
I beleave Washington DC and Virginia you cannot Legally use Scanners to Listen to Radio Transmissions and if you use an SDR in DC or VA there are stiff penalties and perhaps jail time involved. If you don't want Digital Encryption then petition your City or County to remove Encryption.
You know your stuff brother. Our city IT department could use your knowledge. Seriously.
4 amendment we have the right to be private and the "PUBLIC SERVENTS" to be public if we can't hear them they shouldn't hear us. If they encrypt we encrypt nobody should have a monopoly on commication.
In Toronto all police services are encrypted and have been for years. All my scanners are paperweights and of course SDR is useless for encrypted communications.
How to pick up a Police Department that's operating off a Trunked System easy by a Handheld Amature Radio. I listen to Dallas Police Department all the time. You don't have to worry about it there's always someone who is nice enough to post frequencies on line .
Wow, that was fast. Too bad, I know you were starting to get into it. I watched most of them, interesting stuff. They must have had it ready to go prior to your getting started, You're absolutely right, there's no way that they could have done it in a week. Going to have to find another hobby now, ever thought about trying Cigars, I hear that's pretty cool. LOL.
SDR radios are your friend. Capture the digital signals....then do what you want with it...hint...hint.
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Modern Digital radios are using 256K Encryption and is IMPOSSIBLE to Demodulate even with a Computer.
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AES256 has already been exploited. Encryption means nothing anymore.
@@TexasTimelapse - but NOT ICOM iDAS , its very Secure and Security can communicate over IP with VERY Discrete Radios that look like Smartphones.
TexasTimelapse - Any links or sources for that information?
Mark Plott - Huh? I was under the impression that iDAS was Icom’s open modulation protocol and same as Kenwood NXDN? I’m sure it has built in encryption, like NXDN, but as a modulation protocol it can be demodulated like any other open protocol.
FYI, the railroad system, at least with CSX, has migrated to NXDN in some areas. I know this as my brother in law, and his son, work for CSX. They have used the Kenwood, and Icom, radios in digital mode. Both brand of radios can talk to each other.
I will do as i please. If i want to listen to their stuff, i will. I don't care if they don't like it.
what kinda linux were you using my guy most linux distros have terminal tools for multiplexing audio and i believe audacity can as well
Hi, I'm in Pinellas. It has been a long time since you made this. I am new to hobby. Do you know if I can listen to Pinellas Sheriff with SdS100?
Question im listening to police n my laptop but can't receive them on my police whistler scanner but I can hear other cities far away they haven't gone encrypted because I'm hearing them on my laptop any ideas
That's called Modulation voice input breaks down into a carrier radio signal and Demodulation where the carrier signal breaks down into voice audio
After 50 plus years of scanner listening scanners are dead to me.
Bearcat makes dmr scanners you can purchase encryption keys from them such as voice lock. The US public safety is switching to the new P 25 Phase 2 nationwide public safety interoperability network. It allows then to take over cell towers in times of national emergency. Most of the time the will be operating in the 700 mhz range . That is the main reason for the FCC over the air tv repack.
Have you tried SDR Trunk? In my county some things are encrypted while others aren't. It makes it really easy to deal with and has super easy import from radioreference
Plain and simply..Gov agencies want in your business but they don’t want you in there business!
Do you still have those videos on your page?
Most channels are separated by so many hertz to prevent bleed over in the case of FM family radio 250 hz separates each channel . You can use a calculator to find out what all 21 channels are if you know the starting frequency. 462.550 just add 250 to 550 you get channel 2 add 250 to that you get channel 3 and so forth until you reach channel 21. Which should be +5250 which should be 467.800 if my math is right. Digital is said to conserve bandwidth in that it can convey more information using less bandwidth.
RFObsession - Would it NOT be easier to Pettition your City and or County to NOT Encrypt ????
With all the incidents and unrest, I can see encryption being turned on more and more as counties and state agencies have been forced by FCC to upgrade radios to digital, the encryption is probably nothing more than a check box on each radio and the System server. Maybe a couple more boxes to serve as decryption servers on the head end.
FCC hasnt "forced" anyone to go digital.
All the FCC manadte was the narrow band mandate anolg radios are capable of meeting the mandate. Local authorities chose digital over analog. The ready ability to to encrypt the content most likely was part of the decision. As was the availability of technology like Motobridge influenced the decision
What type of handheld scanner would you recommend?
The police in my area are using Kenwood's NXDN. Using DSD+ / RTL-SDR / and AMBE codec 2.0 I can listen. Encryption! LOL I'm so sorry...
It's funny, the trucks at my work have NXDN radios and they are encrypted despite the fact that business/civilians are not permitted to use encryption. I could not decode with dsd, and there is a little diamond on the screen which indicates encryption is turned on. I'm not saying anything...
So,then all these people bitching about not listening in on public freq, do you think you have the right to listen in on their cell phones? Dispatch calls officer Jones on his cell phone and wispers secrets in his ear. OH! lets be able to listen to all of officer Jones cell phone calls. Same idea as scrambled systems. Also you would be really surprised how many dispatches use cell phones.
WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED , WHAT CITY OR COUNTY OR FOR THAT MATTER STATE ? SORRY ABOUT YOUR PROBLEM
The radio doesn't matter because after they're on a call they'll use a cell phone to call the other cops with them on the call.
NOPE, smartphone aps are garbage, with a Communications Receiver I can tune to SW, HF, all the way to 5.0 Ghz all in one radio. the only caviat is All Analog Cellular is removed from all commercial Receivers. but NOT SDR. and NOT canner like my AOR 1000 and AOR 3000 scanners. my hand held Digital Scanner ICOM IC-R30A can tune HF all the way to 3.4 Ghz in every mode of transmission Analog and Digital, I can also record two conversations on separate frequency, it has Built in GPS and Bluetooth as well.
Dead Bull even worse they can use wickr or whatsapp
There no way to use a digital to analog converter for the digital signal? Then use a descrambler to unlock the signal. Ramsey did make descramblers in kit or assembled,but I guess the government shut that down.
basic, without color codes for Digital radios they are good as encrypted. fortunately RadioReference com has a Nation wide Digital Trunking Database. Its Illegal to attempt to decode Digital Communications and use a Decription Key on a Digital Radio.
Just bought a trunked digital scanner for under $150 , its the Radio Shack Pro-97 works great
works great in what city?
I have one I will sell ya for $50 They are pretty cheap now.
Yeah because they don't P25 phase 2 good.
Is that why the pro108 seems to cut off the beginning of each transmission on dig trunk sys's? Its almost unuseable at times, and super annoying.
Pro-97 doesn't do P25 at all.
مرحبا يا صديقي أحتاج خبرتك كيف يمكن نجعل جهاز الراديو العادي يستقبل موجات أعلى من 108 ميغا هيرتز حتى يستقبل الموجات اللاسلكية و الطيران مع خالص تحياتي لك
Ouch dude, sorry that happened.
Encryption never stopped me.
Lol 😂
I have yet to find an SDR program that can work to listen to nonencrypted digital trunked system that a simple radio shack scanner will. Do the digital radio shack pro108 scanners have dual tuners to make this work?
No. You need 2 SDRs connected to a computer with appropriate software.
Actually, you don't need two separate dongles to use unitrunker just as long as the Control channel and Voice channel fall within the max bandwidth capability of the dongle.
I worked for a large dept that decided to trunk and encrypt. Having a commo background, I asked to sit on the steering committee. I tried, BEGGED them to not encrypt except for tactical team ops until I was removed from the board. Then there are reports of kickbacks and other politics that was driving this so it went way beyond officer safety. To the posters who said it was the public scanner-poaching, not true and in fact the public were a great help. Instead it truly was big govt wanting to be less accountable to the public. As a side note, I had a dial-tune regency as my first public service receiver! From there, BC III, then 101 getting my new copy of Police Call from Radio Shack every year. I would record on an old VCR using just the audio input because they would do 16 hours. To the poster who said file FOIA for the key: it rolls from a random generator and would take the NSA to break and that would only work until it rolled again. When the ppl fear the government...
I have no problem with public services going digital, it is when they encrypt channels that are not tactical. To me, these transmissions fall within the scope of the public's right to know. Gotta watch the watchers.
DespicableBastard 911 dispatcher here. There's a lot of officer safety data that I cannot transmit without verbally encoding (think 10 codes and signal codes) for the subjects privacy. Past DUIs, history of battery LEO, etc. There are also things that I out and out cannot transmit for the same reason. With an encoded system, I can. If you want to know, you can submit requests to your local law enforcement for the recordings of all the traffic. I have no issue with public oversight of law enforcement, but also understand that we are just trying to improve the safety of our officers without compromising the privacy of anybody we are out with.
So they allow you to listen - but in order to do so, they make it very troublesome and you end up with your name on a list stating that you are listening.. Sounds legit to me !
I still have my grandparents old radio, the size of a fridge, and it has fire/ems/police channels listed right on the main spinner dial. . Was a different time back then. . But then again it was a time when police didn't have long guns, vests, and tanks.. They also didn't practice gun confiscation in suburbs on american soil. I support the police, but I'm a firm believer that darkness/secrets breed corruption and sunlight is the best disinfectant and keeps people honest. We've had alot of problems with our local police in our small city, and if it is happening here I can only imagine in big cities..
It would be incredibly easy to have a multi-channel system that would allow you to choose to x-mit sections of the dispatch as encrypted in order to redact names and such.. But ya, that won't happen. Heck it could be done with software with little fuss.
Past DUI's, HIstory of batteryLEO and so forth are all public record. There is no reason to encrypt them.
That's both understandable and fair.
+Johsua Schwanke That's a very confusing theory, considering as someone else said, criminal history is essentially completely public record.
Simply put I don't see any reason at all to encrypt non-tactical channels. I've been involved in public safety for years, talked to many involved in cities big and small. There simply isn't a reason to encrypt simple dispatch traffic, other than to shut the public and the media out of policy activity.
I hope in areas there is encryption, people do force departments to spend time providing the audio through records requests. That could tie a department down really quick but they deserve it for shuttering the public out unnecessarily. Police departments already get a ton of open records protections, and often it's for good reason. But when it comes to encrypting radio traffic they are crossing a line.
Really sucks that you have to give up on this project. You had a very similar setup to mine. My area has a digital trunking system which luckily isn't encrypted. It's fun to just sit here and listen for hours. Looking forward to any future content you put on here about HAM Radio if you decide to post it here.
I used to love listening to the old analogue mobile phones on scanners back in the early 90s before they went to digital. I used to hear all sorts of saucy stuff like Guys arranging to see their mistresses after work all the way to a married couple breaking up on air!
some Baby monitors and Cordless phones are still NOT Digital and Not Encrypted.
I had a scanner when I was 12 or so and used to listen to cell phones. My misspent youth lol
Got to love that American transparency from or public servants.
You could interpret it as protection of privacy.
+Mawerick77 If you're about privacy, google, facebook, twitter, etc. would not be used.
SCOTUS says police doing there job have no right to privacy.You can film and record police anytime anywhere
Conduct yourselves properly and you wont be targeted.Only the militarized police in this country have this issue.Nothing to do with radio its training and pychological screening which is the issue. The average iraq vet has no business being a LEO
Just wow indeed. The fact you want to be a cop is telling in itself. Police are supposed to help the public but you want to be a cop to wear a uniform badge and gun to intiminate people. I dont NEED your help I dont WANT your help. Half the cops in town can be replaced by putting up automatic traffic cams like they have in England. Cameras went up cops lost there job crime went way down. If you want to put on a uniform and kill black men then move to Africa...plenty of jobs doing that there
If you don't want me to listen to your transmission then keep your signal off of my antenna. Once it hits my antenna it becomes my signal and I will do anything that I want with it. This includes demodulating it and analysing the demodulized signal.Encrypting sigmals is a very controversial subject. I don't mind building my own hardware and developing my own software to accomplish something once I decide to do it either.
Have to say I agree with you once it hits your antenna
Unless the signal is from the provider of a paid service, and requires a subscription for which they provede the exclusive decoding equipment and the codes, then they really have no control. Only then are you stealing revenue from them. But if its not a subscribed service, and you manage to decode it whereis there problem , as long as you don;t rebroadcast it, and or use it for personal gain there is really nothing they can do........But NOW lets get real,,, How in the hell are they going to know what your doing unless you tell someone. That type of thing, where your only receiving is at best almost impossible to police in the first place..... If I wanted to listen to them I would set my equpiment up and do what I wanted to and keep my mouth shut, But the communications act of 1934 clearly says if it falls on your property then you can listen to it. Now if they have in someway changed that, then they need to be paying me for there signals landing on my property......So you see guys the sword cuts both ways and the FCC knows it too. They really don't want any part of it. To many conflicting issues.
LMFAO this gave me a great laugh.
I really would love to know how to decrypt.
@Peter Holt the law is interpertated in many ways. I cant speak english
I would suggest using a 90 degree adapter for your laptop audio cable to reduce the chance of cable or jack damage. Repairing a headphone jack on your laptop can get pretty expensive when it's so easy to avoid.
The changeover has been a long time coming. You had nothing to do with it, it was pure coincidence.
yep, welcome to the police state
Indeed.
Wesley Jackson r
I would rather live in a world with police, as one that is lawless.
If you have enough money and in the "1%club" the police don't matter
Watch thou tongue citizen 02687569056-69
That really sucks man. I've been following CO for a while and I got in on your RFO as soon as you launched the project. I was looking forward to the great things you'd be sharing with us, such a shame. Good luck with your other projects and I'll keep an eye on here to see what else you come up with.
Why not inundate them with FOIA requests for the master key. Plus you could always rent server space in Canada or another country where decryption is legal and pipe it to Broadcastify from there.
#FornicateTheConstabulary
I wonder if you could foia request something like that
The systems that can rekey over the air can simply answer the question and rekey.
Decryption of encrypted signals that you are not the intended recipient of is illegal here in Canada too
Decrypting their signals is illegal? Yeah, good luck enforcing that. But equally good luck to you getting a hold of their keys.
Hey! You’re my cigar guy!! I was very confused for a second...
Broadcastify has my local but I’d love to hear what’s being said when the say “switch to nine bravo”
i heard this one time and they were like "i brought the stuff today if you're still interested" ... yes, i am interested, what is the stuff? i will never know...
@@masskiller9206 It was donuts. Now you know.
@@macmardo1537 right. "powdered" donuts, i'm guessing...
Why the heck did you make a you tube video on this? Some wisdom is best kept as secrets.
Police and other public servant communication systems over here in the Netherlands have been made digital and encrypted many years ago. Since I'm fairly young, I've never been able to tune in to their radio communications, since I was just a toddler when that switchover happened. Really a shame, I'd love to have tuned in and just listen to their communications during events, not to record or to transmit and disrupt their communications. But alas, us citizens apparently aren't allowed to anymore. And it also shows that the digital systems aren't as bomb proof as the analog ones, since during several serious incidents the current digital system just crapped out on the public servants. So it not only keeps citizens out, it also keeps the public servants out on crucial moments. Just gotta love governments.
Look, he's trunking... haha. Dad Jokes.. I'll be here all night.
Transitioning from analog to digital is expensive and requires a lot of planning between the Sheriff's Office and any local police departments. I can assure you it was a coincidence. I'm surprised they encrypted every channel they use? There are likely hundreds of channels. Usually only a handful are encrypted due to cost.
I used to work for L3Harris. It's not a coincidence. L3Harris will do an entire system for the County/local authorities. It's literally plug and play.
Can't you just foia request it? It should be a matter of public record.
The joke is on them, they can't hear MY encrypted communications either. Two can play that game. GOTCHA!!!
I dont think the public can encrypt radio that's not like wifi which is greatly limited on power output
@@james10739 With a little knowledge - oh yes they can! And do it cheaper them.
@@dustoff499 I ment legally the ability to was not really in question because it would basically be the same as wifi if you are transmitting data or packets
@@james10739 I think it is totally legal
@@justsomedude4660I mean im not 100% sure but i believe if its over a limited amount of power then than you can't encrypt like you can make wifi much more powerful but it is illegal but I believe its the encryption is part of that
That sucks they went off air, it's been like that here in UK since the 90's :-( the good old days!
Well... technically decrypting signals isn't illegal because you are not actively breaking into a system. You are just passively decoding them :) (Yay! loopholes in Sweden)
Do you understand how impossible it is to decode an encrypted signal? Legality is the least difficult part about it.
Yea, that's true
Thank all the goofs who show up to police calls with scanners.
The goofs who get there before the officers arrive are putting everyone at risk... the victims of the crime, the perpetrator, innocent standerbys, as well as themselves.
We never had a problem with this in our area. Just an excuse to hide what's happening from the public.
Legal?
I can listen to whatever I want, however I want to listen to it.
Quitters never win...
Good Luck, Sir.
They've all been moving to that over the last few years. One budget at a time. They were sold those systems when the department of homeland security gave funding for the switch. That use to be part of my job until I resigned.
So my question would be. Isn't it against the freedom of information and accountablility, and unlawful to encrypt? Their communication should be open record information.
What is relayed over radio is private info in regards to peoples ie general public info is sensitive... also for safety reasons u dont want badguys knowing police tactics or location of officers its all about safety and security... long story short it comes down to information getting in the wrong hands and also officer safety...
Hope this helps with people's understanding ..
troopers did that then law said that communications have to be public so they now stream all radio communications on a web site
Oh and by the way,,,, as an engineer I will tell you to keep your eyes on the SDRs,,,, once you get that signal into the digital domain there is nothing you cant do to it when you bring enough processing power to bare.
I second this.
Can you elaborate or share some links?
Well finally the answer to why my hand held police frequencies are silent. Thank you
As somebody said the Police switched years ago in UK and made my scanner just about useless.
Plenty to listen to still police was only part of my set up, shopwatch systems, fire uhf, lots of businesses yes some enc, but most commercial aren't, dmr, nexedge yes many dmr especially but scanners can deal, with non encrypted
The add in mating by the coast, military and civil airband, my scanners are stopping every few seconds
All you need to do is file a lawsuit against the agency and and it will be stopped. There is absolutely nothing illegal about decoding the encryption. The you need to remember is that you are a taxpayer and legally entitled to access to the transmission. You can not transmit but they can not refuse you the right to listen. I have done it and won and all fees were returned.
Actually the SC decided that if it's broadcast over RF spectrum and you can decrypt it... You can monitor it...
Cable companies tried to file criminal charges against people for tuning in on their leaking signals! The court said they couldn't. So they scrabbled the channels. The court again refused to allow them to pursue criminal charges.
Satellite was different. Because of its point to point nature the court have them some power to go after the scabbers...
Same things happened in St Louis City, tho fire is not yet encrypted. I did find that not all PD radios are encrypted, there are quite a few I am able to hear. Not the dispatch side but the car or HT side. I set unitrunker to listen for individual radios rather than talk groups. Still not as good as being in the clear but I'm able to pick up bits and pieces, just something to check out on your end, never know..
I can completely understand encrypted channels. But why do ambulance and fire departments need to be encrypted?
I can see tactical channels for the police, but not all of them...
A few years agog I purchased a Uniden Home Patrol II for almost $600! My old trunking scanner stopped working for some reason, so I upgraded when I replaced it.
The only thing trunking and all the other digital stuff has caused is the common person to not be able to listen anymore.
It's now only upper middle class, the rich, and criminals who can afford to listen anymore.
I live in a small town, so I doubt digital encryption will be here anytime soon.
But when it does, it'll get real boring around the house...
AFIK ........AMR Ambulance and other Private Ones don't Encrypt, though they use Digital. In My area EMT's and Fire Don't Encrypt.
Kentucky Ranger hippa laws?
how about the privacy of those involved (you might know of a death earlier than officials could relay this information to the respective family, or high profile emergency calls involving a politically sensitive person)
I just bought an SDR dongle to listen to police, ems and aircraft radio signals. Looks like I'm a couple years too late. At least it wasn't expensive.
There are all sorts of other things to listen to. I have mine connected to a rotatable, amplified broadband antenna. I hear all sorts of radio chatter.
@@jefferyrightmire9520 where can I learn more about that stuff? I'm just getting started with SDR.
If they wont let us listen then they don't need top come to us for the tax money to get more radio equipment. Sounds like they need to do bake sales for radio money.
You have 2 people to blame for this situation. 1st is Motorola. Motorola has pushed digital encryption on radio systems throughout the country. Part of it is the Department of Homeland Security getting everyone encrypted for safety sake. There really haven't been any demonstrable situations where people have interfered with digital trucking systems or even analog tracking systems for that matter to such an extent as to be completely disruptive.
But there is an individual and a website that has brought this to the fore front. Lindsay Blaine and Radio Reference. Anyone that is into scanning knows this website and the fact that it has the frequencies and the specific codes used by specific entities on the trunk radio system. Such as Citywide police frequency one. Countywide mutual Aid frequency 3. Etc. Lindsay has been warned over the years as he has made money hand over fist that he was going to force Police Department's to encrypt their Communications because he made it so easy for people to listen to police broadcasts on nothing but their cell phone. There's still no proof that criminals have been using their cell phones to listen while committing crimes but he brought this to the forefront. All because he wanted to make a dime off of it. Had he stayed low key this probably wouldn't be the issue that it is today.
My county has recently gone to encryption and I can't listen to anything. I can listen to the fire department but I'm not really into that. They're not encrypted yet. Except for the ALS back and forth to the hospital's. That's for HIPAA.
But the point is is that Motorola pushed the technology and a private individual made a buck selling the information that allowed people to listen. You didn't even need to know anything. All you had to do was download a file for your particular scanner and use a piece of software to load it and your scanner would be automatically programmed for you. In fact the new Uniden scanners plug directly into RadioReference to get their database once a week.
Thank you Lindsay for destroying a hobby that many of us have enjoyed for years. I hope you made enough money in the process. You thought only of yourself and not what you were doing to the hobby nationwide.
Motorola developed a less expensive non-P25 form of encryption (ADP) in the mid 00's because public safety wanted encryption, but they initially couldn't afford full blown AES256. The demand came from public safety and then yeah Motorola sold it all, ADP and AES256. Encryption has been around since the days of SecureNet in the early 80s. Up until about the early 00's, you couldn't even rekey radios over trunked channels. You'd need a standalone conventional channel and everyone would have to switch to do key rotations. Very clunky. Securenet sounded like crap, rekey technology was complicated for decades. Enter server virtualization and the ability to rekey radios seamlessly over trunking channels. There is a solid argument to be made that the reason increased use of encryption is possible is because it is drastically easier to administer and has been since about 2010. In other words, add HP and VMware to the blame list, lol.
A Raspberry pi would have been so much tidier than a laptop on the motorcycle. You could still do this for other signals though if you wanted to. like CB.
It stops them from talking crazy stuff to people in sosiy, and causeing crazy things to happen...so its a good thing' if they could get away with driving people nuts' than they will right'...
I don't see why you couldn't monitor multiple frequnciesat the same time. I thought GPS was tracking multiple satellites and spread spectrum monitors multiple frequencies. But you hav more experience in this
An informed public can help law enforcement. I don't believe their cutting us off from their communications will make society safer.
Radio traffic is only a portion of the emergency, fire, and police dispatch communications.
In many agencies calls for service are sent/dispatched to the computers in the vehicles and never heard over the radios.
Most info is now done via computer, not radio, so persons and vehicle checks, medical call details, details of incidents, etc. are displayed on the computer screen to save valuable air traffic, provide more detail & information, and free up talk group and frequency space.
The encryption was already coming from a DHS mandate. This was due to various terrorist attacks and the need for security, *not to keep info from the American people* who want to monitor calls around the community. The *media does have access to these current encrypted transmissions and they do monitor* the radio traffic.
If liberal politicians had kept dangerous people out of our borders, things may have been different. Now we all pay the price.
Many officers have said they never caught a bad guy with a scanner but were helped by the public who knew to look for a suspect.
It is sad that post 9/11 many departments have been trained to see the public as an enemy to be controlled rather than friends and neighbors they are sworn to protect.
I don't think it is a coincidence that anti police feelings are stronger than ever now.
Yes,we need to demand decryption.
So how is it that I see law enforcement agencies on broadcastify, but their system is trunked how are they getting the frequencies and communications and broadcasting it to us? How can I go about doing that not so much for broadcasting but listening
Are the radio messages open to freedom information act requests?
Jon Disnard, Yeah, but it’s a long process
Over here in the UK, all police radio is digital encrypted (TETRA) and can not hear a thing anymore. gutted
But they inter fere with tv and radio like a CB it comes in as static and other times it comes in so clear and loud you could under stand what they saying as if they are on show no static even from block away you could hear the guy got a knife other times static period like CB can't under stand other times clear as a bell even faint a lock away even low clear as a bell other times static and then comes clear but faint but could still make out what they saying
"Public" servants operating privately.
of course, why would you WANT gang member being able to keep tabs on law enforcement?
@@the_socompsp The police is one big gang agianst everyone.
Aren’t many municipalities outsourcing their law enforcement services out to private military firms (i, e; Blackwater) to service their community via public-private partnerships? The public assumes all of the cost while the private military firm earns qualified immunity from most litigation and/or prosecution.
@@Ricodabodyguard22 This is the case in some areas. In most cases it allows for contracted LEOs to operate within a defined budget rather than for-profit policing. So essentially a community can say "California stops aren't ticket-worthy at otherwise non-populated intersections."
Hard luck, but this is what happens when you broadcast to TH-cam I guess.
Hi great vid. How do I delete channel's that I've put in already. Thanks
Can you link me to the specific dongle that you are using because I cant seem to find it
Have you tried eBay?
Thank you for this explanation, but don't trust the police.
I think it is illegal for them to encrypt. It violates public information laws.
complete coincidence they have been changing to encrypted P25 all over the world...
People who live in these areas that are so encryption happy need to protest and rase hell!
Hi, this is the year 2020 speaking to the year 2016: When 74 million Trump voters whipped into a frenzy come after your governors and public officials, you're gonna wish your first responders had encrypted communications. You'll see what I mean in a few years. Oh by the way, you'd better lay in some toilet paper and cans of baked beans. Bandoliers and flag-patterned dew rags will also be in fashion. Just saying.
@brain fog You are pretty recent to be saying much, Mr Fog. I'll bet you're one of those Chinese Communists we hear so much about.
FYI, RadioReference data is only as accurate as what people submit... no submissions means no accurate info.
This was almost 15 minutes of my life I can’t get back. This info isn’t new. He’s going around his elbow to get to his thumb with this setup. If a person is a casual listener all that’s needed is one of the newer digital scanners that will demodulate all the current modulation schemes. This SDR setup is for a true hobbyist that wants to get very specific data from the system, i.e., tower site info, individual radio info, etc. I’m not bashing his setup but it’s a little over the top for a mobile application.
I’m reading the comments and, demodulation does not equal decryption. We demodulate radio signals, everyday, when we listen to the AM/FM radios in our vehicle or watch OTA television. Decryption is decoding a message that was obscured and not meant for anyone but it’s intended recipient. We decrypt a satellite radio, or television signal, if we subscribe to and pay for those services. The provider sends the key, over the air, to our device to allow it to demodulate the signal received.
It seems several people, making comments, believe that they may have the technical know how, and hardware, to decrypt some of the advanced encryption protocols. I say, “Good luck to ya”. If any of the commenters decrypt AES256, or any other encryption, please post a detailed video... I’m highly interested in the hardware/software that is used. If you’re that good, with off the shelf equipment, you need to be working for an agency situated at Ft. Meade, Maryland.
_This was almost 15 minutes of my life I can’t get back_
I will create a kickstarter campaign to pay for a church of people to pray for this tragedy