"Ser Amory was almost as bestial with Rhaenys. I asked him afterward why it had required half a hundred thrusts to kill a girl of … two? Three? He said she’d kicked him and would not stop screaming. If Lorch had half the wits the gods gave a turnip, he would have calmed her with a few sweet words and used a soft silk pillow.” His mouth twisted in distaste. “The blood was in him.” But not in you, Father. There is no blood in Tywin Lannister.
@J10005 i prefer a quick death. Lorch would revel in killing someone, friend or foe. Tywin doesn't bask too long in the suffering of his enemies with the exception of the reynes and tarbecks
@@moomoodeadcow exept tywin has likely done more good for the realm than evil,his time as hand was said to be the best the realm has seen,but he lives in a brutal world,you cant judge him by modern strandards,even ned did bad stuff
Graping is a phenomenon marked by the appearance of unreflowed solder particles on top of the solder mass. The solder that is partially coalesced resembles a cluster of grapes, hence the derivation of the phenomenon’s name.
Reminds me of the Godfather book where Vito tells Michael that he uses Luca Brasi because of how brutal and sadistic he can be that it scares him, but he made himself the only person in the world that Luca fears which makes him a valuable soldier. The likes of the Mountain and Amory Lorch are Tywin’s own Luca Brasi.
Yep. There are useful idiots, and then there are the lesser utilized "useful psychopaths". It's a big thing in history as well as fiction. Tywin had Gregor and his gang, the King of Midland had Wyald and the Black Dogs, and Hitler had Dirlewanger and his "Black Hunters".
Not Gregor.. true psychopaths don't have any empathy- and he certainly did for both Stark girls in his own way. He was simply a product of his environment and was good at it. He didn't like it though. He should have gotten a much better ending like having him live out his life in peace at that settlement he was working at. But it's GoT... no one ever gets a happy ending
Knowing how cold Tywin was, he was probably more annoyed at the optics than bothered by the action. Killing the babies was supposed to be his show of fealty to Robert and his apology for not joining the war sooner, butchering them so viciously though makes him and his men look even worse and likely would’ve caused him to be condemned by anyone besides Robert who was so determined to kill every Targaryen he didn’t care how it happened (and even he could barely look at the babies when they were brought to him)
Wait, really? I know Robert despised the Targaryens, but I didn't think it went so far as to want the killings of even such young children; he's certainly portrayed a little more positively in the show. I do remember he wanted the death of Daenarys but she wasn't just 2 or 3 years old and there was also the threat that she was going to come back (so it could be argued to be a strategic decision and not just one of pure hate).
I mean that’s the reason Jon had to be hidden with Ned in the first place (assuming R+L=J is true). Even though Robert “loved” Lyanna he would’ve killed newborn Jon if he knew. The justification for killing Rhaegar’s children along with trying to kill Viserys and Daenerys is that they were potential political threats but it seems pretty clear especially by the time of the main series that Robert’s hate for the Targs is the reason for the killings. In contrast, after the Greyjoy rebellion for example, Robert allowed Balon to keep his seat and send his son to be fostered with Ned while in the meantime he’s still sending assassins halfway across the world to kill Daenerys and saying crazy stuff about Rhaegar like “in my dreams, I kill him every night” 😂
Tywin by no means wants them in his company. They’re useful tools to spread fear and terror but absolutely no good at anything else so they’re very much dispensable
The Starks kept no better. The Boltons were evil bastards. Ramsay was the worst of the lot. Probably worse than any psycho the Lannisters had. The whole point of GoT is that everyone did evil things in order to gain power or to protect themselves from others. Name one major character that was entirely good and pure. Even Rob Stark did questionable things in the name of duty or honor. Robb Stark basically doomed tens of thousands of his own men, his family and the fate of all the lands because he couldnt keep his pants zipped. His personal gratification affected his ability to make decisions. Not a great quality in a King.
@@gengis01 thing is tho, by the time of GoT, the Boltons have supposedly stopped all that, and the moment Ramsay is found out in the books, Ser Rodrick Cassel is sent out to arrest him. And I presume you are going by the show? Cos in the books it's more understandable. Robb's 15 and at war and then he hears that his best friend (Theon) has murdered his 2 younger brothers, he's also wounded and on meds in an enemy castle, and the daughter of the Lord of said castle 'comforts' him. See where this is going? He then marries her because that is what he believes is the honourable thing to do based on how he was raised and from seeing how Jon was treated he doesn't want any potential child of his to go through the same.
@@gengis01didn't Boltons hide a lot of stuff from the Starks? Like hiding how Ramsay was conceived because he knew Ned Stark would bring justice for what he did. This is very different from what Tywin does. Like he even promotes and rewards his men after knowing the atrocities they committed. Also Rob is super young, compared to Tywin, the Mountain and etc. And not being able to keep it in your pants is much less atrocious than actively killing babies, graping and pillaging. What happened to Robb's men was Robb's fault, but it was an indirect consequence. While what Tywin's men do is deliberate and direcg, they deliberately and directly do these acts. Yeah GoT is about grey morality, that everyone does some bad things. But that doesn't mean everyone is equal morally, there's still dark grey and light grey color when it comes to morality. This comparison of morality between two such different scenario is just hilarious honestly, trying to put Tywin and Robb on the same plane of morality
@gengis01 Fair enough, except the Boltons hid their evil from the Starks. Had Ned ever learned of Roose or Ramsay's atrocities, he would have brought down Ice on them without a moment's hesitation. Also, you mention Rob, and he indeed fucked up, but he had no tolerance for the murder of innocent children, even if they were from the enemy. A mistake is not the same as complacency.
The Manticore was a ridiculously evil character. Gregor got the end he had so earned, but Amory Lorch got the end he truly deserved, ripped apart by a bear in the fighting pit of a Bolton stockade
Tywin understood the pragmatic value in keeping people like the Mountain around. There is however a difference between the Mountain’s casual brutality and Ser Amory’s barely concealed malevolence and sadism.
Drop your weapons in the name of the king, "which king would that be?" In the name of Geoffrey of house beratheon, "I don't think I will" so be it, "I always hated crossbows take too long to load" probably one of the best scenes in all of game of thrones
Imagine the worst possible crimes you can and realize that they happen every day all around the world. Americans and some Europeans are so ignorant of how lucky they are to live in the west.
Only 80 years ago, the Third Reich was fully staffed by psychopaths of this nature, who killed tens of millions in a genocidal world war. Worst part, some got away with it and were never punished.
"you don't think I would actually order that, do you?" Yes, Tywin, who not ten years ago ordered the grape of the wife of the person he's asking the question to, Tyrion, we do think you would. Ellia Martell was offered by her mother to marry Jaime right after Tywin's wife, Joanna, died. He offered Tyrion instead. This kind of revenge would be right up his alley, for being able to marry Ellia to Rheagar, who he'd planned to marry Cercei to. Tywin is aware of how he needs to be perceived, and has no scruples in lying to Tyrion. He squeezed every bit of use out of Clegane, and orders him to be kept alive in torment only to satisfy the Martells wanting Clegane's head. "It must be the kings justice that takes his head, not disease. Cure him."
Tywin is already publicly known to have ordered the children's deaths. It doesn't make a difference if he lies to Tyrion about it if he ordered Elia's death.
The true problem with a seasoned soldier making multiple stabs is horrific. It's because a seasoned soldier knows where to stab to make it a one stab endeavor. More than three stabs is either the work of an inexperienced soldier or a sadistic individual.
@@kareemcuffy6919 he died on the battlefield with his army trying to defeat the rebels before they could make it to the capital. Unfortunately, tywin betrayed the targs
Hmm I wondered if this was a hint of being blamed, they mention blood-lust but later when he is sacking Arya NW gang holed up in a tower in RL he is described as "bored"
The key thing is Connor went to the gym every day. He took action. He "messed with the middle" big time. He didnt sit back and do nothing. He wasnt doing mental reps, he was in the gym doing millions of real reps. He wasnt in bed doing SATS about an SP he's too terrified to contact but claiming "it's already his", he messed with the middle as a lifestyle.
I think grape is fine and adds to the world-building and tone. Yet a lot of people say it's really bad and almost always in poor taste... While they think of only times it's in poor taste. A very common meme is "it's just for shock value". Yes and? Shock value still has value. It's in the name. It's suppose to shock you, that's the value. You might feel it's a cheap way to shock you, which it is when the context is cheap. Otherwise, it's... econonomical, not cheap.
I sometimes wonder how much reading, people who object to the 🍇 in the series have done on medieval history. This happened frequently during war in those times. Complaining about it's depiction is like saying violence shouldn't be depicted in a story set in medieval times.
At least book version didn't kill yoren. And I literally read the books well over 50 times and this is my first time hearing about the well thing ...... I usually learn something new every reread but this is the first time that I learn something new outside of a reed
I would argue that Lorch is worse than Clegane. The Mountain is a monster, but he is a monster with a purpose. Tywin holds the reins for both men, but The Mountain is controllable and doesn't engage in violence unless he is told to. Lorch utilises violence at every opportunity, whether or not there is a better option. To put it in terms of film serial killers, The Mountain would be Dexter and Lorch would be Patrick Bateman. Both are psychopaths who enjoy killing, but only one of them (Lorch) gets pure pleasure from killing alone while the other gets pleasure from killing, but also gets pleasure from serving his lord/the cause. Both enjoy violence, but only Lorch engages in violence for violence sake. I personally think Hoat tops the list of the most evil out of the Lannister bannermen. Then Tywin is at the very top. He turns a blind eye to the evils his men commit because they serve a purpose. Contrasted to Eddard Stark, Tywin Lannister is not someone I could serve. The Starks only start plotting after Brandon is hurt and Eddard is arrested and even then, the Starks only call their banners to show that they will fight if necessary. Theon Greyjoy would have started the war much earlier. It is only after Eddard is executed that Robb considers the army he a called to be a fighting force rather than a force of threat/pressure.
sometimes knights are not our champions and brave, honourable gentlemen, nor of ladies' dreams... they become unrecognizable, and nothing for heaven to watch and bless, nor light to shine and warm his armor..
this is false, Tywin didnt feel uncomfortable with Amory, or the mountain for that matter despite knowing what they do ... and he knew their value and uses.... the reason he asked him was because Amory messed up big time, Tywin didnt care AT all about the fact that he stabbed a child half a hundred times, he cared that he stabbed THIS child 50 times, about how that would reflect on him and house lannister, because it makes it look like 1 he ordered it or 2 he has no control over his men.... both of which are a problem if you are playing the big game for all that Tywin cared Amory could have mudered and mutilated half the children in kings landing, as long as it didnt reflect on house lannister or impact their efforts i wish people stopped tweaking the stories in these "in the books" shorts to make half true statements for shock value that change what is actually meant because this is the scariest part about tywin, he honestly has no moral compass at all, its all about his house, and the ends always justify the means
One moment of dark humor from Frank Herbert, the author of Dune, is when he was interviewed. He told the interviewer: "My Arab friends are wondering why Dune is categorized as fiction". The Islamic ends of times prophecies are very detailed, and one of them mention a Mahdi or Imam Mahdi, the man who will return at the end of times to lead a massive Holy War. I kid you not, there are at least hundreds of millions of people who are just as fanatical as the Fedaykins and the Fundamentalist in Dune who if given one shred of evidence showing the prophecy is true will follow the Mahdi to the end of times. So yeah.
lol, frank herbert trotted out the "some of my best friends are ___" meme and that didn't clue you in to be suspicious of him? dune is orientalist garbage. as for the rest of your comment, if you'd said "hundreds of thousands" you would have had verisimilitude - which is exactly why you exaggerated the lie by claiming hundreds of millions. overt lying is about signalling you refuse to let reality testing be the metric on which your comment rises or falls.
Tywin is not evil, the people he employs are. If he would have no need of them he would rather have fancy knights, but in that universe might makes right more often than not. The northerners are feared cause of their chaotic nature and, the river lands are always at war and across the sea you have armies of slaves ravaging each other. If your kingdom is safe and your people are content under your rule and all you needed to do is have a few psychopaths on your payroll, then is an easy decision to make.
Something tells me that if Tyein could get rid of Lorch without damaging his reputation in the Westerlands or getting rid of a useful asset, we'd see a noboe lord washing up on Lannisport.
Thank youtube. It's easier to blanket ban a statement then to adequately moderate it. Like even if someone were to report him here if he said it, an employee could review it and see he wasn't using it in a malicious way. But it's easier, and cheaper to just remove the use of the word in a blanket policy.
expanding the thesaurus enriches the language, it doesn't mean we can't use words, and even if you couldn't use this word (you can) its replacement wouldn't impoverish the language at all, replacement is just the way language has always worked. but yes, the future is garbage, because of people like you.
From an evolutionary perspective it makes so much sense that every tribe would have a few psychopaths. You only need a small group of completely insane warriors that get off on violence to traumatize a rival tribe. A few terrible acts that your enemies can whisper about until all your enemies quake in fear. I'm so glad we have computers and door dash now instead of all that shit
I like how on yt everybody uses grape instead of rape for absolutely no reason since we all know and all youve done is add a g. Censorship is bs and needs to go away. Just be real
there's no censorship at all, you are faking victimhood (ironic that you pretend to call for people to be real). "graping" is used for irony, to signal the subject is salacious.
@@hoaxialcable But they are explaining something that happens in the books which are different from the show. They are saying "in the books" so people who have not read them know that this is a book only thing.
"Ser Amory was almost as bestial with Rhaenys. I asked him afterward why it had required half a hundred thrusts to kill a girl of … two? Three? He said she’d kicked him and would not stop screaming. If Lorch had half the wits the gods gave a turnip, he would have calmed her with a few sweet words and used a soft silk pillow.” His mouth twisted in distaste. “The blood was in him.”
But not in you, Father. There is no blood in Tywin Lannister.
Cold blooded psychopath thinking he's morally superior to hot blooded psychopath
@@J10005 Also Tywin: *Gives Lorch a promotion.
@@J10005
Tywin may be another kind of evil, but I prefer him anytime.
What.... The....... Fuck.........
@J10005 i prefer a quick death. Lorch would revel in killing someone, friend or foe. Tywin doesn't bask too long in the suffering of his enemies with the exception of the reynes and tarbecks
Yet Tywin still employed them despite the atrocities they committed. Which makes Tywin no better than them.
Yep, Tywin bet too heavily on making his enemies fear him
A man with no conscious, moral or remorse is special and has his special uses in a time of conflict.
They had their uses
I can’t agree. But that is your view. They had their uses.
@@moomoodeadcow exept tywin has likely done more good for the realm than evil,his time as hand was said to be the best the realm has seen,but he lives in a brutal world,you cant judge him by modern strandards,even ned did bad stuff
"Graping"
Ahhh, and that's where the finest wines in Lannisport came from.
😂😂😂😂😂
Well yeah, he's the Grapist.
I too am quite partial to a spot of graping with the wife. It’s a nice and relaxing day out. Sometimes we bring the kids along.
Graping is a phenomenon marked by the appearance of unreflowed solder particles on top of the solder mass. The solder that is partially coalesced resembles a cluster of grapes, hence the derivation of the phenomenon’s name.
"Come here kids, I'm gonna *GRAPE* ya in the mouth!" - The Grapist
Reminds me of the Godfather book where Vito tells Michael that he uses Luca Brasi because of how brutal and sadistic he can be that it scares him, but he made himself the only person in the world that Luca fears which makes him a valuable soldier. The likes of the Mountain and Amory Lorch are Tywin’s own Luca Brasi.
Exactly excellent comparison.
Luca now sleeps with the fishes
In the book Luca took the new born from his mistress and threw in the furness in the basement Alive!
Yep. There are useful idiots, and then there are the lesser utilized "useful psychopaths". It's a big thing in history as well as fiction. Tywin had Gregor and his gang, the King of Midland had Wyald and the Black Dogs, and Hitler had Dirlewanger and his "Black Hunters".
Amory, Vargo, Gregor - all can be consider as pure sadistic psychopats
Not Gregor.. true psychopaths don't have any empathy- and he certainly did for both Stark girls in his own way. He was simply a product of his environment and was good at it. He didn't like it though. He should have gotten a much better ending like having him live out his life in peace at that settlement he was working at. But it's GoT... no one ever gets a happy ending
@@PiXie232 that's sandor (hound) you are talking about. Gregor is pure evil.
Amory, vargo hoat aka Locke, ser Gregor, Ramsay, and (book) euron are the devil themselves.
@PiXie232 He got one of the better character arcs. That's more than practically every other character in show
You forgot Ramsay
Knowing how cold Tywin was, he was probably more annoyed at the optics than bothered by the action. Killing the babies was supposed to be his show of fealty to Robert and his apology for not joining the war sooner, butchering them so viciously though makes him and his men look even worse and likely would’ve caused him to be condemned by anyone besides Robert who was so determined to kill every Targaryen he didn’t care how it happened (and even he could barely look at the babies when they were brought to him)
Wait, really? I know Robert despised the Targaryens, but I didn't think it went so far as to want the killings of even such young children; he's certainly portrayed a little more positively in the show. I do remember he wanted the death of Daenarys but she wasn't just 2 or 3 years old and there was also the threat that she was going to come back (so it could be argued to be a strategic decision and not just one of pure hate).
I mean that’s the reason Jon had to be hidden with Ned in the first place (assuming R+L=J is true). Even though Robert “loved” Lyanna he would’ve killed newborn Jon if he knew. The justification for killing Rhaegar’s children along with trying to kill Viserys and Daenerys is that they were potential political threats but it seems pretty clear especially by the time of the main series that Robert’s hate for the Targs is the reason for the killings. In contrast, after the Greyjoy rebellion for example, Robert allowed Balon to keep his seat and send his son to be fostered with Ned while in the meantime he’s still sending assassins halfway across the world to kill Daenerys and saying crazy stuff about Rhaegar like “in my dreams, I kill him every night” 😂
If a man is to be judged for the company he keeps, then Tywin Lannister should be judged harshly indeed.
Tywin by no means wants them in his company. They’re useful tools to spread fear and terror but absolutely no good at anything else so they’re very much dispensable
The Starks kept no better. The Boltons were evil bastards. Ramsay was the worst of the lot. Probably worse than any psycho the Lannisters had. The whole point of GoT is that everyone did evil things in order to gain power or to protect themselves from others. Name one major character that was entirely good and pure. Even Rob Stark did questionable things in the name of duty or honor. Robb Stark basically doomed tens of thousands of his own men, his family and the fate of all the lands because he couldnt keep his pants zipped. His personal gratification affected his ability to make decisions. Not a great quality in a King.
@@gengis01 thing is tho, by the time of GoT, the Boltons have supposedly stopped all that, and the moment Ramsay is found out in the books, Ser Rodrick Cassel is sent out to arrest him.
And I presume you are going by the show? Cos in the books it's more understandable. Robb's 15 and at war and then he hears that his best friend (Theon) has murdered his 2 younger brothers, he's also wounded and on meds in an enemy castle, and the daughter of the Lord of said castle 'comforts' him. See where this is going? He then marries her because that is what he believes is the honourable thing to do based on how he was raised and from seeing how Jon was treated he doesn't want any potential child of his to go through the same.
@@gengis01didn't Boltons hide a lot of stuff from the Starks? Like hiding how Ramsay was conceived because he knew Ned Stark would bring justice for what he did. This is very different from what Tywin does. Like he even promotes and rewards his men after knowing the atrocities they committed. Also Rob is super young, compared to Tywin, the Mountain and etc. And not being able to keep it in your pants is much less atrocious than actively killing babies, graping and pillaging. What happened to Robb's men was Robb's fault, but it was an indirect consequence. While what Tywin's men do is deliberate and direcg, they deliberately and directly do these acts. Yeah GoT is about grey morality, that everyone does some bad things. But that doesn't mean everyone is equal morally, there's still dark grey and light grey color when it comes to morality. This comparison of morality between two such different scenario is just hilarious honestly, trying to put Tywin and Robb on the same plane of morality
@gengis01 Fair enough, except the Boltons hid their evil from the Starks. Had Ned ever learned of Roose or Ramsay's atrocities, he would have brought down Ice on them without a moment's hesitation.
Also, you mention Rob, and he indeed fucked up, but he had no tolerance for the murder of innocent children, even if they were from the enemy. A mistake is not the same as complacency.
The Manticore was a ridiculously evil character. Gregor got the end he had so earned, but Amory Lorch got the end he truly deserved, ripped apart by a bear in the fighting pit of a Bolton stockade
tywin looking at his employees like "mmmm must i invite them to the christmas party..?" lol
Pretty sure this dude ends up getting ripped apart by bears 💀
bear
Bolton stripped him naked and threw him the bear pit
How sad for him
I guess there is some justice in Westeros, after all!
@@milosradivojevic229 I hate you bro
Tywin looking at Lorch like: "C'mon man, no need to prison shank a baby like that..."
Lorch was the only guy that i think truly deserved to be at the mercy of roose bolton
Tywin understood the pragmatic value in keeping people like the Mountain around. There is however a difference between the Mountain’s casual brutality and Ser Amory’s barely concealed malevolence and sadism.
Drop your weapons in the name of the king, "which king would that be?" In the name of Geoffrey of house beratheon, "I don't think I will" so be it, "I always hated crossbows take too long to load" probably one of the best scenes in all of game of thrones
Yoren❤
Graping? NO WINE BEFORE ITS TIME!!!
MAAAAHHHHAAAHHHHH THE FRENCH!
...champagne has always been noted for its excellence
The most disturbing fact is that there are people that would or have done things like this in real life.
And that otherwise seemingly average, everyday people among us not only ignore it but often praise it as justified.
Imagine the worst possible crimes you can and realize that they happen every day all around the world. Americans and some Europeans are so ignorant of how lucky they are to live in the west.
@@jackpackage4278 lol pretending as if the West didn't butcher babies like Lorch
Only 80 years ago, the Third Reich was fully staffed by psychopaths of this nature, who killed tens of millions in a genocidal world war. Worst part, some got away with it and were never punished.
Pretty sure mass genocide is still a thing in our modern world
"you don't think I would actually order that, do you?"
Yes, Tywin, who not ten years ago ordered the grape of the wife of the person he's asking the question to, Tyrion, we do think you would.
Ellia Martell was offered by her mother to marry Jaime right after Tywin's wife, Joanna, died. He offered Tyrion instead. This kind of revenge would be right up his alley, for being able to marry Ellia to Rheagar, who he'd planned to marry Cercei to.
Tywin is aware of how he needs to be perceived, and has no scruples in lying to Tyrion. He squeezed every bit of use out of Clegane, and orders him to be kept alive in torment only to satisfy the Martells wanting Clegane's head.
"It must be the kings justice that takes his head, not disease. Cure him."
It’s so ironic how Tywin is indirectly the reason Elia married Rhaegar
Tywin is already publicly known to have ordered the children's deaths. It doesn't make a difference if he lies to Tyrion about it if he ordered Elia's death.
The true problem with a seasoned soldier making multiple stabs is horrific. It's because a seasoned soldier knows where to stab to make it a one stab endeavor. More than three stabs is either the work of an inexperienced soldier or a sadistic individual.
Like when the hound showed Aryia how to kill.
He earned his book ending.
Je certainly did. And from what I read bears don't wait for their prey to die when they start eating.
Tywin asking "why so many times" was just out of curiosity - no disapproval was implied.
Can this man please finish his books, they are so much cooler than the tv-series
Tywin is even worse hiring them despite knowing how evil they are.
Reager why did you do this to your family why didn't you protect them you were all you had 😢
By the sack he was under the ground due to Robert
He left them to clap Lyanna's cheeks. Guy just left his family in the worst situation
@kareemcuffy6919😅
@@kareemcuffy6919and he was considered the best of them ... says how low the bar was
@@kareemcuffy6919 he died on the battlefield with his army trying to defeat the rebels before they could make it to the capital. Unfortunately, tywin betrayed the targs
Amory and Gregor: the most disturbing buddy movie ever.
And the worse bit is you can’t even use that godsdamn well anymore, but everyone will keep using it cause they don’t know who’s down there
Hmm I wondered if this was a hint of being blamed, they mention blood-lust but later when he is sacking Arya NW gang holed up in a tower in RL he is described as "bored"
The key thing is Connor went to the gym every day. He took action. He "messed with the middle" big time. He didnt sit back and do nothing. He wasnt doing mental reps, he was in the gym doing millions of real reps. He wasnt in bed doing SATS about an SP he's too terrified to contact but claiming "it's already his", he messed with the middle as a lifestyle.
But if he wouldn't eat fast food, he'd be in better shape
I thought you were going to talk about the eyes thing the mountain brought up in the war council with Tywin
Most moral Braken member
There is a lot of 🍇 in Game of Thrones..
The Dothraki can give a master class in 🍇..
I think grape is fine and adds to the world-building and tone. Yet a lot of people say it's really bad and almost always in poor taste... While they think of only times it's in poor taste. A very common meme is "it's just for shock value".
Yes and? Shock value still has value. It's in the name. It's suppose to shock you, that's the value. You might feel it's a cheap way to shock you, which it is when the context is cheap. Otherwise, it's... econonomical, not cheap.
I sometimes wonder how much reading, people who object to the 🍇 in the series have done on medieval history. This happened frequently during war in those times. Complaining about it's depiction is like saying violence shouldn't be depicted in a story set in medieval times.
At least book version didn't kill yoren. And I literally read the books well over 50 times and this is my first time hearing about the well thing
...... I usually learn something new every reread but this is the first time that I learn something new outside of a reed
Truly, a role-model we can all aspire to!
Septon Ut deserves a shoutout.
Favorite character in the series
Whoa, based.
so much edge
“She wouldn’t stop screaming”
Where was he stabbing her, the legs??
every teeny little toe
Well done Snarky Jay, well done !
Ayo Johnny “Adolf” Storm is outta pocket 😭
It seems Martin included many such characters in his books, and liked to write graphic descriptions of what they did.
"There are no good or evil, there are just shades of gray"
Why did you use a portrait of John Frederick of Saxony?
that is actually charles dance, if you have seen dracula untold you know why he is ageless
@scottmatheson3346 No, one of the pictures in the video is a portrait of John Frederick done by I believe Lucas Cronnack the second?
He could've used a quiet word and a pillow ;) but the blood was in him
I would argue that Lorch is worse than Clegane. The Mountain is a monster, but he is a monster with a purpose. Tywin holds the reins for both men, but The Mountain is controllable and doesn't engage in violence unless he is told to. Lorch utilises violence at every opportunity, whether or not there is a better option. To put it in terms of film serial killers, The Mountain would be Dexter and Lorch would be Patrick Bateman. Both are psychopaths who enjoy killing, but only one of them (Lorch) gets pure pleasure from killing alone while the other gets pleasure from killing, but also gets pleasure from serving his lord/the cause.
Both enjoy violence, but only Lorch engages in violence for violence sake.
I personally think Hoat tops the list of the most evil out of the Lannister bannermen. Then Tywin is at the very top. He turns a blind eye to the evils his men commit because they serve a purpose. Contrasted to Eddard Stark, Tywin Lannister is not someone I could serve. The Starks only start plotting after Brandon is hurt and Eddard is arrested and even then, the Starks only call their banners to show that they will fight if necessary. Theon Greyjoy would have started the war much earlier. It is only after Eddard is executed that Robb considers the army he a called to be a fighting force rather than a force of threat/pressure.
the last part just made me laugh…i need help…..
Badass thumbnail.
A Lannister always pays his debts
sometimes knights are not our champions and brave, honourable gentlemen, nor of ladies' dreams...
they become unrecognizable, and nothing for heaven to watch and bless, nor light to shine and warm his armor..
I must be evil too, because I eat grapes all the time, I never knew heaping was bad, forgive me 😭
this is false, Tywin didnt feel uncomfortable with Amory, or the mountain for that matter despite knowing what they do ... and he knew their value and uses.... the reason he asked him was because Amory messed up big time, Tywin didnt care AT all about the fact that he stabbed a child half a hundred times, he cared that he stabbed THIS child 50 times, about how that would reflect on him and house lannister, because it makes it look like 1 he ordered it or 2 he has no control over his men.... both of which are a problem if you are playing the big game
for all that Tywin cared Amory could have mudered and mutilated half the children in kings landing, as long as it didnt reflect on house lannister or impact their efforts
i wish people stopped tweaking the stories in these "in the books" shorts to make half true statements for shock value that change what is actually meant
because this is the scariest part about tywin, he honestly has no moral compass at all, its all about his house, and the ends always justify the means
One moment of dark humor from Frank Herbert, the author of Dune, is when he was interviewed. He told the interviewer: "My Arab friends are wondering why Dune is categorized as fiction".
The Islamic ends of times prophecies are very detailed, and one of them mention a Mahdi or Imam Mahdi, the man who will return at the end of times to lead a massive Holy War. I kid you not, there are at least hundreds of millions of people who are just as fanatical as the Fedaykins and the Fundamentalist in Dune who if given one shred of evidence showing the prophecy is true will follow the Mahdi to the end of times. So yeah.
lol, frank herbert trotted out the "some of my best friends are ___" meme and that didn't clue you in to be suspicious of him? dune is orientalist garbage. as for the rest of your comment, if you'd said "hundreds of thousands" you would have had verisimilitude - which is exactly why you exaggerated the lie by claiming hundreds of millions. overt lying is about signalling you refuse to let reality testing be the metric on which your comment rises or falls.
Tywin is not evil, the people he employs are. If he would have no need of them he would rather have fancy knights, but in that universe might makes right more often than not. The northerners are feared cause of their chaotic nature and, the river lands are always at war and across the sea you have armies of slaves ravaging each other. If your kingdom is safe and your people are content under your rule and all you needed to do is have a few psychopaths on your payroll, then is an easy decision to make.
lol, for that justification to be even a colorable argument the people would have to be content and safe.
I’m wondering who this stool was made for? 4:58
Ah ‘graping’ (sic). I miss it so, but the doctors … you understand.
A competent man doesn't need to stab a girl 50 times in order to silence her.
Never heard the Tarbeck story and I read the books. Wonder how he managed pushed a full grown man down a well at 3 years old.
Something tells me that if Tyein could get rid of Lorch without damaging his reputation in the Westerlands or getting rid of a useful asset, we'd see a noboe lord washing up on Lannisport.
Game of Thrones is full of characters who are most deserving of death.
What Edward saw in the eye was his son telling him the story of the end of his life. So from a certain point of view everything he said was true.
If you're going to properly rule you're going to need a few pyshopaths around.
Well maybe she will die quieter next time... "Oh, so sorry. I was screaming too much, wasn't I?"
So we are talking of the average IDF soldier
dazed and confused, all 3 of them.
Ahhh yes, graping
I don't know what those words are in your subtitles, but they sound almost like English.
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Making up a word to say another word is just expanding the thesaurus... The future is garbage if we can't use words
Guy says "murder" which is objectively worse than "rape" but can't say the latter word. It's asinine.
Thank youtube. It's easier to blanket ban a statement then to adequately moderate it. Like even if someone were to report him here if he said it, an employee could review it and see he wasn't using it in a malicious way. But it's easier, and cheaper to just remove the use of the word in a blanket policy.
@@AnyProofOfTheseClaims only because of the baby ears generation
expanding the thesaurus enriches the language, it doesn't mean we can't use words, and even if you couldn't use this word (you can) its replacement wouldn't impoverish the language at all, replacement is just the way language has always worked. but yes, the future is garbage, because of people like you.
"Graping" is a Soldering term used in the electronics engineering & repair industry. 😂
graping, that's soldering?
43:17 for anyone wondering about Denuvo (don't know how to add a timestamp from mobile)
Those poor grapes 😢
Im pretty sure in the books its gonna turn out that it wasnt Rhaenys and that it was another's baby
I NEED THE OST/BGM NAME!!!
Reminds me of Wyald
Game of thrones was so good until the last 2 seasons 😢
He gets his in the book.
I’ve been known to grape… I’ll eat the hell out of some grapes…. Don’t get me started on Grape Big League Chew
Graping and WHINING
What the hell kinda armor is Tywin wearing in the thumbnail
Those poor poor grapes
Sounds like regular medieval europe.
sounds like everywhere males exist. 50% of the population, 99% of the violent crime.
From an evolutionary perspective it makes so much sense that every tribe would have a few psychopaths. You only need a small group of completely insane warriors that get off on violence to traumatize a rival tribe. A few terrible acts that your enemies can whisper about until all your enemies quake in fear. I'm so glad we have computers and door dash now instead of all that shit
what a self-defeating argument. if that behavior were biologically innate it would be equally common now, a claim you reject.
A true psycho, that one...
Beorn “BEARS” him to safety I see what you or Tolkien did there. Beorn means bear in old English
yo whats the music in background?
Never seen Tywin in a full gothic harness before. Was that from GoT?
Whats the name of the music?
Is he in the show? Is he the guy with the rats at Harrenhal?
How did he die?
Yall think Ramsay Is Todd Alquist of Asoiaf
So Amory lorch is a dwarf?
Graping? What does that mean??
What's wrong with grapes?
Grapers make me sick
I like how on yt everybody uses grape instead of rape for absolutely no reason since we all know and all youve done is add a g. Censorship is bs and needs to go away. Just be real
there's no censorship at all, you are faking victimhood (ironic that you pretend to call for people to be real). "graping" is used for irony, to signal the subject is salacious.
@scottmatheson3346 you over think shit to try and be pretentious. Another retarded pussy🤣
So how did he meet his end
Why did they changed his death in the series by having Arya him get killed through Jaqen H'ghar in front of Tywin Lannister?
Graping? He destroyed grapes?
0:26 if he was only 3 how did he throw a man down a we....oh nevermind.
@@RaptorJesus. no he threw a 3 year old kid lol
Is he still alive in the books? Can't remember.
Bears killed him
G r a p i n g
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My day just got 38x better😭😭🔥🔥🙌🏾
Why every GOT video on every channel starts with "did you know, in the books..."?
Because they're talking about something that happened in the books but not in the show?
@@makistrexas1922 ok genius, we can just trim it down to "did you know". But clearly you don't.
@@hoaxialcable But they are explaining something that happens in the books which are different from the show. They are saying "in the books" so people who have not read them know that this is a book only thing.
Sounds like henry8 to me