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- 3 Ways to (Legally) Beat Remote ID!!
There are three easy ways to be fully compliant with Remote ID and not have to do anything with modules or specialized electronics. I will cover all of this in this video.
Remote ID (identification) is the new ruling from the FAA, effective on Sept 16, 2023, that requires all radio controlled aircraft (drones, fixed wing and helicopters) to have a remote ID capability either built in from the manufacturer, or applied using a separate module. This will allow law enforcement agencies to know where a RC model or drone is located (altitude, airspeed and coordinates) as well as the take off location.
Remote ID is a brand new requirement (this video is filmed in Feb 2023), and there are a lot of concerns on the specifics of Remote ID, in particular the knowledge of the pilot's takeoff location.
In this video, I will go over three ways to "beat" Remote ID, in that you can fly just as you have been in years past without any concern for the need or application of Remote ID electronics.
These methods are to:
1. Fly in an FAA Recognized Identification Area (FRIA)
2. Fly a model weighing less than 250 grams
3. Fly your RC model indoors
There is still a lot of work that needs to be done on establishing the procedures of how Remote ID will be implemented, the notification of the first FRIA, Community Based Organizations, etc. Note that no pilot needs to comply with Remote ID until Sept 16, 2023. I will work to provide further videos on these important subject areas.
Here is a link to my TH-cam Channel:
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Many thanks in advance for a post of this video on Facebook, it truly helps the channel a lot!
Regards,
Tim
Guillows Aeronca RC conversion:
• Guillows Aeronca RC Co...
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
03:10 - FAA Recognized Identification Area (FRIA)
06:14 - FRIA delays
09:00 - Small models
10:45 - Indoor flight
12:05 - Special considerations
13:35 - Free flight and control line models
14:20 - Conclusions
Thank you so much for providing the update in easily digestible doses!
Ed: Any time! Tim
@@TimMcKay56
Please read the Constitution, and the BILL OF RIGHTS, the first ten Amendments.
Don't allow the overreaching Bureaucracy dictate what we can and cannot do.
Life long modeller and Certificated CFI, well versed in aviation safety and pursuing it in training of future ATP's
@@TimMcKay56
Don't you recognize irony?
Flight Test has a petition to up the weight limit from 250g to 1Kg. if you agree with it you would be wise to send it to your reps.
Well do, thanks for the vector! Tim
If only it were that simple. The reality is our reps really don't give a flip about us. They only feign caring when glad handing for votes. Once in office, they only care about who is passing them the largest wad of cash. We wrote them lots of letters before this garbage was passed and they listened to NOTHING! The dirty little secret is that the 250mg weight limit was simply pulled out of thin air. There were no tests or engineering studies conducted to prove a safe weight limit. As far as influencing our faux representatives go, we comprise such a small number we are invisible. The AMA, (supposed to be our Washington connection for the hobby) saw the potential dollar signs from FRIA's and that opposition caved. Just like the Farm Bureau, (supposed to be working for and representing farmers) was caught selling out the farmers on, "Right to Repair", the AMA sold out the hobby for an illusionary windfall gain in club membership.
Here's the plan
1.Get 1kg exempt
2.Get 2kg exempt
3.Get 3kg exempt
Etc...
@@Razor-gx2dqunironically, that might be the way to go about it: if each dial back proves perfectly safe, then there won't be much pushback against the next weight limit increase
Can you imagine how blocked up the courts will become, if EVERYONE refuses to comply? Compliance will be almost impossible to police.
Will be an interesting few years ahead. 😁 Tim
I won't comply inless they don't broadcast the pilot's location. In the backwater where I live, people are ignorant, armed and aggressive. And that's just the cops. For everyone else, their first impulse when they see something moving in the sky (or on land for that matter), is to kill it if it doesn't walk on two legs.... and assault it if it does and isn't kin.
Prisoner 1."What are you in here"
Prisoner 2. "I flew a plane".
@@Razor-gx2dq It's a civil infraction, so literally no matter how many times you were fined for violating it you're not going to jail.
@@jasonpatterson8091correct, which is why they’re pushing the digital dollar so hard. That way they’ll just take it out of your account and lower your social credit score…
What a sad situation with FAA overreaction to our virtually harmless hobby flying.
James: We’ll get through this. As a reminder, remote ID is from Congress, FAA just implementing. Also, too many drones flights in controlled airspace near major airports. Tim
FAA's mission statement is "were not happy until you're not happy"
More government intrusion in our lives.
This is going to make a lot slope fliers outlaws (or just civilly disobedient). We fly at a lot sites outside any proposed FRIA and I can safely say most of our planes also weigh over 250g. There is also a 100 mph speed limit in the reg, so it looks like any time I want to engage in dynamic soaring I have to apply for a waiver 😫
FB: I think there are a lot of unknowns with how the remote ID policy will finally end up. Hopefully the remote ID modules will be light and inexpensive enough to suffice. Tim
DSS is a type of flying I forgot about. From the videos I've seen, DSS is certainly below 400feet. You are also flying at fairly remote areas without public incursions. From a safety stand point you wouldn't fly around people. A special waiver would probably need to be applied for to fly under a CBO.
@@jeffs7915 I am making some quiet inquiries about this. Unfortunately I am not in the position to just blow off the FAA, as I have to deal with them on 1:1 stuff also. I'm trying to be careful since I don't want to get people who are doing it already in trouble.
My hope is to be granted a blanket waiver on the speed and sites, with some reasonable conditions on things like proximity to airports, non-involved persons, etc
I’m incredibly fortunate that all the areas where I fly (woods, golf course, local park, lakefront) just recently self-identified as FRIA’s! What are the odds?
😊👍🏻 Tim
Where does it state (in the Law) that FRIA's can self designate?
@@mchldpy It’s in “Slapdat’s UAV Code of Operation” (available in hardcover for $29.99).
What happens when there's no FRIA anywhere within a reasonable distance and your model is over 250g? Many people fall into this category and could previously fly in parks and schoolgrounds but now I guess they're stuffed and will have to fit (at their own expense) a RID module to their model(s).
Also, based on information disclosed, it seems that the FAA is only really wanting to create no more than 4,000 FRIAs (including educational institutions etc). How is that going to work when there are 2,400 AMA clubs and 115,000 schools and institutes of higher learning? Looks as if a *lot* of clubs and/or learning institutions are going to miss out on gaining FRIA status.
Xjet: I really thing the FRIA and module plan will work out. Let’s wait a bit before hitting the panic button. 😊🤔😳 Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Look at what's happening in Canada right now with the "exemptions" and "special privilges" extended to MAAC. I'm making a video explaining why relying on these exemptions is incredibly foolish (as the Canadian model flyers have just discovered to their cost).
@@xjet The sheep blindly jump through the hoop only to realize after it’s too late that where they jumped to was not such a good place…
The sub 250g crafts will need remote ID also, just because they are tied together with registration, like stated, doesn't mean you don't need remote ID for flying outdoors or away from a FRIA. People just assumed that because of the registration weight cut off, and the fact when the rules were out, but not finalized yet, DJI and another company started churning out sub250g drones.
@@sunshynff Drones (or RC airplanes) are less than 250 grams and flown for recreational purposes, they do not need to be registered thus do not need remote ID, as remote ID is tied to a registration. My guess is some companies, such as DJI, will find remote ID so easy to make that they will incorporated it into most of their drones. Keep in mind even if a drone is less than 250 grams, you still need to follow other rules, such as flying below 400 feet and staying out of controlled airspace unless you have permission. Tim
Thanks for the update Tim! 👍
SR: Anytime! Tim
Thanks Tim,
For the clarification 👍👍👏
😊👍🏻 Tim
Shutting down, reducing and curtailing this STEM activity, the starting point of every astronaut and many engineers is absolutely the objective. What's next? How many steps have they undertaken and how much has the hobby suffered retraction since all this started. Many steps along the way and this isn't the end. I too have participated in comment periods, the AMA and am a lifer.
Crafted: I remain optimistic. Kids are busy these days. Drones may be a useful entry point to RC planes and helos. Plus, the cost of RC has never been lower. I had a friend who’s parents bought him a 4 channel Kraft RC set in 1974. In today’s dollars the cost for the Kraft system would be $2,800. This kept a lot of folks out of the hobby years ago. 😊 Tim
@@TimMcKay56 A child interested aviation goes to mom and dad and seeking the first RC model. Parents are excited that of the many less than savory or useful things children can become enthralled with, their child is taking interest in a STEM related activity. After some research they stumble upon a web of registrations and complications. This happens thousands if not millions of times in our busy world. And the answer to our intrepid child is all too often..........."It's complated"........ "How about a new video game instead?" And that budding engineer, astronaut, pilot or future tech shooting star is distracted away. I am with you in the enthusiasm for aviation. But, realistic about the insanity of how we as a society find every opportunity to injure ourselves. What we have now is what we have to live with. I appreciate you are helping people to navigate the mostly senselessness of it all. The FAA's has made past rule making attempts to end model aviation, through the use attrition of flying sites (which can never be turned on again if anything happens). These proposals though not in effect at the moment demonstrate to us all the directionality of their heart. Much of this is really nothing more than transferring the costs of see-and-avoid technology (Bezos would otherwise have had to undertake) to the average citizen. He can't be bothered to fly around a flying site, avoid a public park or to "see" anything. This is largely corporate greed and influence mixed with regulation injustice in the name of "safety". There is the unavoidable problem of navigating the mess at it increases slowly over time. And increase it will. Yes there are other factors that lead to these measures and in this space I do not mean to express an entire thesis.
@@CraftedChannel We’ll get through this. 😳😊👍🏻✈️ Tim
You WILL sit inside and you WILL watch TikTok/TH-cam/Netflix in your non-working hours. Anything else is a risk that must be mitigated and funneled into a recurring revenue stream
@@R-502This certainly seems to be their warped plan!
Thank You for keeping us informed -- good video -- Rodney
Rodney: Thanks for checking in! Tim
1000 thanks for keeping us updated.
George: Anytime! Tim
Thanks Tim, and greetings from Wales UK. Dave
David: Thanks again for checking in! Tim
Thanks for the details.
No problem!
Many thanks for your time and effort to share this information with us all.
👍🏻😊 Tim
Thanks for the info 👍🏻
No problem 👍
I've never flown at a club field, indoors and my airplane weighs more than 250 g. So I cannot legally fly without changing my behavior. Remote ID is like putting an criminal's ankle bracelet on every citizen in the United States, so the government, and anyone else who wants to, can monitor where we go and what we do. RID must be drastically changed.
Remote ID is here to stay. See my video on this, out later today. Tim
Thankyou for your efforts with this issue 😎
DD: No worries!, thanks for checking in! Tim
The AMA doesn’t give a tinker’s bell about the modeling community. Dropped them like a hot rock.
Seriously??! 🙄😳😖
thanks for the info
😊👍🏻 Tim
I don't think remote id is going to acheive the results the FAA is looking for, that is, protect piloted aircraft and the public in general. The segment of rc pilots that are a threat to piloted aircraft and public are long distance fpv pilots. Thr FAA could have managed yhe same result with an app: where are you flying; what distance from operator; what max altitude? Yes you need remote id, no you don't. The FAA is ensuring that the AMA has a monopoly on all private FRIAs, and if you want to fly over 250g models, you'll have to pay the AMA and an RC club. And if someone wants to fly unsafely, they'll figure out how to defeat the remote ID system. All in all, this set of regulations will do little or nothing to achieve their goals, IMO.
I think we'll see more on FRIAs. Flitetest is recently designated a CBO, so they will have FRIAs. But you are correct, to take advantage of an AMA field you have to join AMA. For what it is worth, Model Aviation is a great magazine! Tim
long range fpv is no threat at all
doing 25+ km requires a lot of preperation, which almost guarantees safety
people doing this are the most skilled and informed within the hobby
3km wouldn't be categorised as long range, but can easily be achieved with off the shelf gimbal camera drones, which don't require extensive knowledge
flying those close to airports without coordination with the pilots of the manned aircraft is probably the only risky activity involving any RC craft
@@marc_frank We will stay tuned! Tim
@@marc_frank I couldn't disagree more. SOME fpv fliers are the very skilled and safe, just like any portion of an RC segment. Some are not safe in any respect beyond the limitations of their aircraft. And by comparison, fpv and autonomous craft are 1000s of times more of a threat to piloted aircraft than line of sight fliers. Fpv can fly higher and further, and visibility around the craft is limited to forward for all but the most advanced camera systems. 95% of those 1000s of sightings of unmanned private craft by pilots are fpv craft, and the craft the FAA is concerned about.
@@TimMcKay56 Yes, the magazine is okay (Miraculous Landing, 2/2023), but a lot of youtube videos are more interesting!
Thanks Tim. Still have concerns that the devices are vaporware and if we use professional drones for LiDAR and air photos and no refit devices appear, will we have to phone in our flight areas so it can go in NOTAMS? Shut down airports (have done this for mapping airfields)? Is there a capacity for that at FAA?
Are law enforcement going to bring scales to weigh schoolyard planes or just confiscate/stomp on them because it's easier?
Where I live almost every lake is an airfield and I'm surrounded by runways for civil, military and general aviation. I never fly over 100 feet AGL. But private aircraft routinely fly below 400 feet, including a recent fatal accident in the Matanuska Valley where the pilot hit an unmarked power line. I see difficulty for the hobby ahead.
Erik: I think this will work out OK. FAA does rules and enforcement a lot. They do not have a ton of folks for this, so we'll have to wait to see how it all works out. Changes for sure, we'll just have to wait a bit and adapt. Tim
We have C-130 s fly over our house at less than 400 ft....
I love this guy. Not just from today. He taught me to trim, land and now how to beat B.S.
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Thank you for the content
Thanks for checking in! Tim
Great video! Just subscribed thank you
Glenn: Wonderful and thanks for checking in! Tim
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You're Welcome Tim.
What are your thoughts with RID and it telling everyone were the pilot's location is ? It infuriates me. Fine if you want to identify the drone like a license plate. But telling where the pilots location is, is gonna get people hurt and even killed.
I hope they change it. Do you think they will ? Thanks again and looking forward to your next video.
Glenn from PA.
@@glennalan The problem is one of the central reasons for remote ID is locating the pilot for any further FAA action. This has always been easy to do with full scale aircraft as the pilot is on board. I’d say let’s wait and see how this really works out after Sept. I think many of the concerns are a bit misplaced. Tim
great videos TIM
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My biggest problem with the RID is turning the drone on in my room to make sure the motors work after fixing it , something along those lines . And a signal gets sent out with my location even though I’m not even flying the drone
The remote ID signal will very by drone but is quite weak. I do not think much of the signal can be received outside of your home. Tim
Thanks Tim. I love your passion for the hobby 😀
I know you probably wont recommend it, but flying remotely and safely where you are not affecting people, property or other aircraft without registration or RID on and ad hoc basis is an option but obviously not a legal one.
David: I really think the remote ID thing will work out. It’s not like it is some cosmic technology required. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Thanks Tim. Looking forward to your next video as always as they are full of tips and good information.
These are good suggestions, but I'm not really interested in beating the regulation, since that means changing how and where I fly to the point that it's no longer convenient and less fun for me. I want to comply with the regulation by putting a Remote ID module in my plane, but the rollout of this regulation has been such a disaster that it's impossible for me to confidently comply. I'm finally seeing some Remote ID modules for sale at wildly different price points, but I'm unsure which ones to trust. Not to mention that I have little trust that the FAA won't change the regulation again, making the old modules irrelevant. If I'm able to acquire a Remote ID module before September 16 then great! Otherwise I'm just gonna keep doing what I do. Stupid rules are meant to be broken, and rules without a means of compliance are stupid.
I am pretty much 100% certain the Sept 16 date will be slipped until modules are available and affordable. Tim
Do you have any concerns about your own personal well-being when complying?
The idea of any Tom, Dick, or Harry being able to pull up a GPS pin of where I am physically standing at any moment just doesn't sit right with me. I wouldn't have an issue if only the FAA/Law Enforcement had access, but that's not how it is.
@@barneyfromblueshift Valid concern, let’s see how things develop. Tim
@@barneyfromblueshift i live in a state where open carry is permitted. I always have my weapon on my hip. I've been approached by people to complain or just be a karen and when they see my weapon on my hip. I also let them know that I'm carrying if they don't see it and it's loaded (it's not really, i mean the clip has bullets but nothing in the chamber). They have a tendency to yell at me from a distance. When they get to close, i make sure they see me unclip my weapon and they get the message. I'm in a wheelchair so i honestly don't care if they get offended. I can't really fight so the weapon does work. I've never had to pull it out and never will as I also carry a taser.
@@Shinotenshi56 ... and what about RC? Not sure why you decided this is the place to describe your personal attire?
I'm not sure if you are aware, but DJI's Mini 3 Pro drone weighs 249 grams and they have forced a Remote ID update onto this drone even though the FAA doesn't require it for this drone. It's very frustrating because I bought this drone to specifically avoid be tracked by Remote ID and they forced the update after I purchased it.
Tom: The FAA does not force compliance like this. My guess is DJI wanted a consistent production line and process, likely easier to just incorporate Remote ID into all of their drones. I recall DJI uses a firmware update on some models for compliance. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 I agree. Maybe I wasn't clear. DJI forced the update without the FAA requiring it. When DJI first produced their mini series which was under 250g, there was only one reason to produce a drone with that weight and that wa to avoid Remote ID when it would come in the future. DJI tauted this drone series as being under 250g for this purpose. However, they recently pushed the Remote ID firmware update on these 249g drones which makes a lot of people upset. It's all DJI's doing, not the FAAs.
Before you buy your next drone, search for uas declaration of compliance. This will tell you if the drone has standard remote ID baked in or not.
Suspect it was implemented so that it could be used in commercial ( non-recreational) applications. It extends their market beyond hobbyists
@@johnchaplinsky5587 Exactly right. Notice how DJI did not do the same for the new Mini 2 SE? As far as I am concerned, DJI now has the ability to dictate which of their Mini drones can and cannot be used professionally out of the box. Anyone willing to stick on a R-ID module (that currently weighs 16 grams or more) will have a DJI Mini drone that requires registration, recreational flyer or not. That R-ID module stuck on a DJI Mini aircraft will hurt performance, impact the center of gravity, and ultimately make the aircraft less safe. I thought the main goal is safer skies and airspace? This is one easy to understand example of how the new R-ID rules will make the airspace less safe.
These tips are great. However, there needs to be a unified response to the FAA (or Transport Canada, if you're in Canada) by everyone in this hobby - pilots, companies, local clubs, hobby shops - that these regulations are nonsensical, and that they should be amended heavily (5 kg limit instead of 250 grams, for instance).
Josh: In the US, the AMA is “our voice at the table” with the FAA. Remote ID is here to stay, but should be considered a work in progress as there will be changes along the way. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Gotcha. While remote ID may be here to stay, there should be a flood of strongly worded form letters to legislators that encapsulates collective pushback from the hobby. Remote ID may be here to stay, but it should be restricted to aircraft with a high weight limit. Certainly not 250 grams!
good stuff especially on rc planes
Thanks! Tim
Thank you. My personal opinion is that we should have just said NO to all of this over regulation. By logical extension (to me, anyhow), remote I’d should be required for baseballs, softballs, footballs and frisbees. And what about the millions of birds out there just flying willy-nilly?
Dennis: Congress (not the FAA) mandated remote ID via 2919 legislation. FAA did process 54,000 comments to get where we are today. Saying no not a viable approach. Tim
I am a home inspector and would like to be able to use a small drone such as the DJI mini two to view unaccessible roofs. If I was to tether my drone to the ground would I still have to comply with part 107 and or remote ID. My thought is the drone would not be much different from a kite or control line model.
Troy: I am note a drone expert, not fully sure how the drone would properly fly with a tether attached. But the newer drones from DJI and others come with remote ID installed at the factory, why not just fly normally? Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Thanks for the response
@@TimMcKay56 since non recreational u will need a part 107 license. Believe it it just under $200 to take the test
Thanks Tim . Anybody fly indoors in Michigan ?
Randall: I am certain they do. Check with local AMA club officers, they will know. Good luck! Tim
The FAA has at least a 3 month back log of processing new medical certificates and private pilot certificates. Among other major delays in processing applications. How are they going to be able to get all this in place by September? I just can't understand how an unmanned aircraft will be required to have a transponder in all airspace, when the manned aircraft are only required to have a transponder when flying in certain airspace, AKA A, B, C and E above 10,000 MSL. I mean if we RC pilots are already limited to 400' AGL there shouldn't be a requirement for a transponder on our aircraft in class G or E below 10,000 MSL or below 2,500 AGL in class E. We should be allowed to fly without transponders same as manned aircraft especially since we are limited to 400' AGL and line of sight. Especially in class G.
TGG: While no one knows at this point, I am quite certain the FAA can delay the effective date for remote ID if, for example, affordable modules are not available. Also, remote ID in no way compares to a radar transponder. Remote ID has no, zero, air traffic control function. Just a way to identify the drone and takeoff location. The emitted signal is very weal, range often less than two miles. BTW, transponders are required in a LOT more airspace, like the 30 mile veil around Group B airspace. Tim
So if your over 8.8ounces and you fly in your backyard you must run remote ID?
Is remote ID automatically broadcast when the transmitter and receiver are turned on?
RV: Per the reg, yes. Remote ID will be “on” whenever the drone is ready to fly. There is no switch or method to somehow tuen it off, as I understand it. Tim
At the moment, some (all?) manufacturers are avoiding compliance with the Remote ID regulations by selling "basic" RTF kits. Apparently they feel (or have determined) that as long as the plane is not completely ready to fly, they are not required to comply even after December 2022. Meaning, if you have to buy one item (e.g. a battery) to get the plane into the air, they don't have to comply. At least that is how the Horizon customer support person explained it. They also have no plans to supply remote ID solutions right now or in the near future (but this may change once September comes closer).
It’s still very early in the remote ID saga to know all, or any, outcomes. Maybe take a pause until we get closer to Sept 2023. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 - I am certainly waiting with buying more planes than the one I just bought (without knowing about all the new regulations) to finally learn flying.
@@TimMcKay56 - by the way, I appreciate your cautiously optimistic point of view about all this sorting itself out eventually.
Hello all,
I bought my son who is a freshman a dji mini 2se for his birthday. I am clueless about drones and rules and trying to figure what we need to do. From what I understand is his drone is under 250g so we don’t need to register? He knows not to go higher than 400 feet and fly over people etc. is this correct or do we need to still register it?
Chewy: Best staring point is to take the FAA TRUST test. You and your son will learn a lot, the certificate is needed for recreational flyers, and it is corrected to 100%. Also, lots of good info at www.FAA.gov under "Drones". Tim
www.faa.gov/uas/recreational_flyers/knowledge_test_updates
1) There are currently only four CBOs. Not a single FRiA had been approved
2) Many legacy aircraft are over 250g. There is a push to bring the weight limit to 1Kg.
3) Indoor flight. Where?
Konrad: One has to start at the beginning. FRIAs will be approved, just not sure of timeline. Non-ID weights may well change. Lots of indoor flying sites. Local AMA clubs know of these locations as they vary a lot. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 AMA has 2500 fields. FAA is hinting that they will only approve 4000 total. Why is a FRIA needed in fly-over country (class G airpace)? Who is flying below 400ft AGL where there is no open air field?
@@TimMcKay56 I belong to AMA. FPVCA FTCA. A huge problem in town is that fields that have been used for decades are under class B air space where planes are at least a mile up. I don't know of any indoor facilities in our area. People in the country would have to travel hundreds of miles to get to the nearest FRIA.
Everyone in this hobby needs to get onboard the push to move the limit from 250g to 1 kg. The FAA has said its going to take years to get frias in place.
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Under the assertion that any remotely controlled craft becomes a threat once past 250g puzzles me. I understand that a line was drawn but is a 251g craft suddenly a threat? What's to stop anyone from misbehaving with a craft of any size? What's to stop someone from doing so if they choose not to register, have remote I.D., or belong to a FRIA? What about the further commercialization of airspace and the effect this is having with FAA decisions? From my view, this is throwing a wrench into the whole hobby.
RU: I certainly agree this is a wrench into the hobby. But remote ID is going to happen, I think, for larger reasons as a lot of other groups (UPS, FedEx, etc.) are interesting in drone operations. The FAA has to start somewhere with regulation, we'll see how this plays out. More to come! Tim
250g was calculated over a century ago by a single "scientist" who did some very dodgy experiments. It was adopted without question by lazy bureaucrats because they're too lazy to investigate further.
Simple as that.
Circa 2015, the FAA considered flying indoors fell in the NAS.
Look up UMCP's human powered helicopter
FAA has confirmed that indoor spaces are not part of the National Airspace System, thus no need for remote ID compliance. Interestingly enough, a netted outdoor area is not in the NAS as well. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 humm. Good to know! So the future of model aviation is netted golf driving ranges...
The University of Maryland human powered helicopter was being flown inside an arena under the Washington DC Special Flight Rules restricted area, and the university team could not receive permission to "fly" inside that enclosed building, iirc, in the latter phase of the worldwide competition.
From speaking to a lot of the RC mfg's they have no Remote ID solutions coming. There has been no real world testing to see what the impact will be on range, signal loss or any other deleterious effect that parking an up to 1 watt TX in cloae proximity to an RC RX will do to the noise floor that the RX sees in use. There has been no real-world testing at large events or gatherings and the much vaunted postage stamp sized solutions is vaporware. The idea that you will just have one RID button that you can move from one A/C to another hasn't been tested either. In short all the YT pundits have nothing but their opinion to share and not anything in terms of actual testing. Get back to us when you have an actual device that doesn't affect range, controllability or safety that you actually have tested with your own A/C. I refuse to be an Alpha or Beta tester for the FAA. If FAA wants us to ident our models it's up to them to do the heavy lifting not the modeling community to make their pipedream a reality.
Terry: Thanks for checking in! I’d say most modelers are not fully aware of how much work on remote ID is going on “behind the scenes” with the manufacturers. While many modelers say “I ain’t gonna comply”, the manufacturers simply do not have this option, as the FAA can shut them down for non-compliance. Check with the Boeing company if you have any doubts on this. Per www.FAA.gov there are over 150 FAA approved solutions to remote ID (Methods of Compliance). So quite soon, remote ID will simply “happen” as modelers purchase new drones that are remote ID compliant out of the box. In addition I think you’ll see companies like Spektrum offer receivers that include remote ID. Finally, remote ID modules exist. They are still big, heavy and expensive. But not required until Sept 16, 2023. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 I never said I wouldn't comply, what I'm saying is that there are no solutions you can buy now. Spektrum may be one but there is nothing offered you can buy at the minute. Better talk to JR, Jeti, Powerbox and Futaba, I have. The over 150 so called approved ones are meaningless to us; have you tested them? Where are those 150 FAA approved solutions you speak of? I don't think that remote ID will just simply happen, in fact I think it's a long way off and that the FAA hasn't been able to work out the details because they are depending on the so called stakeholders to do the heavy lifting. What you do with a system that can be multiplexed like a full sized A/C is one thing but if you do it integral to the model it has to time share with the telemetry coming back. Ask yourself why you can easily out fly the telemetry on a Spek radio or even a Jeti? Most modern RC systems aren't particularly robust when it comes to selectivity and are easily swamped in the presences of a relatively high powered nearby TX. Most are some variation of a network chip designed for an entirely different purpose and depend heavily on software for discrimination at the signal level. In short; show me the solutions that have been tested in the field and are known to work; I'll wait.
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my fpv drones weight 341grams and 641 grams. just flying in my backyard will require me to have a remote id?
For now, if over 8.8 ounces you’ll need remote ID. Tim
Next up through FAA will want remote I'D on kites over 250g.
Kites, free flight and U-control all exempt (for now!). Tim
does this allow the faa to be able to interfere with our planes in flight like a brown out ?
Not sure.
Hi Tim, thanks. What is the problem wifh remote ID. I don't get it, as long as I can get a transferrable module, and it doesn 't cost too much why should it bother me ? I am not a conspiacy theorist, an anti-vaxer, or a Q-Anon sympathiser, if anyone want's to collect all that data I say good luck to them. Why should I not want to comply ?
Eric: Frankly, I agree. The FAA is fully focused on safety, and they will "intrude" on your privacy from time to time to ensure this. You should see the consequences of making a mistake of a First Class Medical application. I think the Remote ID thing will more or less blow over in a year or so, once all electronics/moduls are out and working. Tim
In our country.... Namibia, the 250g limit means nothing at all, below 250g or not ALL need to be registered, now, wanting to be recreational or private you must be 250g or less, but, you may not have any kind of camera system or FPV and you may not have a payload (AKA Gopro)..... Drone laws here are stupid, even something like a DJI spark or Mavic mini 3 pro can never be a recreational drone as it has a camera system......
GPN: Interesting report! Tim
Wow the FAA is making us jump through hoops so we can fly our model airplanes not drones model airplanes in circles
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There should be exceptions for rural parts of the country. I'm 50 miles from the nearest city with more than 1000 people & 120 miles from the nearest airport. Now if I'm out flying my old Dynaflite Butterfly around the pasture I have to worry about this.
These are excellent points. I do think the FRIA concept will evolve over time, perhaps to include rural areas. Tim
I fly in the 2 to 4 km range only in areas where there are no people, no homes or buildings, no paved roads, never oplver people which are rare, no aircraft fly in my areas due to the mountains and dangers. I think RID will be complied with like the FCC rules which are never complied with either.
Time will tell. 🤔😊 Tim
You own the airspace above your property(vertical property laws) and(gubberment keep lowering) to 400ft.
Well . . . not really. Clear distinction between Federal (FAA) and local laws for property overflights still being defined in the courts. But for flying, the FAA usually has the hammer on who can fly an aircraft where in the National Airspace System. For example, you’ll find this out real quick if you fly a drone in your backyard while a 30 mile Presidential Temporary Flight Restriction is in place and someone reports you. Tim
We never needed this🤷♂️ can we plea the 4th n 5th on this🤔 i would love to hear your opinion on this thanks.
We need RID as a starting point for fully integrated manned and unmanned aircraft operations. RID simply is not a big deal and is going to happen. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 right, i agree to that, but, do we realy need it for an rc plane? drones??? what does this solves? tell you what, recievers has telemetry that sends telemetry info to the radio, how about the reciever to send that kind of info to faa regulatory oficials? and thats it, problem solved😂 recievers has pla/na signal boosters to reach 5+ km in range, how about tapping in that? thats a great idea, i know the faa is gona sell heavy rid equipment to install on flying rc to include the whole list, so adding that capability via code in recievers would be the way to go and it only would require a reciever firmware flash/update. i think that realy would do what the faa realy wants while maintaining radio operator obscured to protect its privacy as per 4-5th ammendment. i would have no problem with that✌🏽 what you think?
@@nunu4692 We need RID because for the FAA to control air traffic, they need to know where the traffic is. Just a first step in a long journey. Tim
not getting any new firmware for say the Mini 3 pro, Say if its bought as soon as it was released and no firmware added after it was bought upon release, it doesnt have any Remote id "anything in the remote nor drone"( even with the heavier batteries that carry it over the 250 grams)....so no worry of remote id anything on/ in that model period...
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oh boy a fria air space. i can go up and down and around in circles
That's pretty much what I have done with RC flying for the past 52 years. Oftentimes called a "traffic pattern", practicing landings and touch and goes, etc. Tim
I never understood the 250g weight rule. While the mass of the aircraft is not substantial enough to cause any real damage, the fact that the aircraft actually collided proves that one or both violated the rules of flight. An unmanned aircraft isn't supposed to fly higher than 400ft or within 5mi of an airport. A manned aircraft isn't supposed to be lower than 500ft except when landing. A degree of separation is built into these rules. I could fly a 50lb unmanned aircraft and follow the safety rules and never come close to any manned aircraft doing the same.
Jay: The 250 gram is just an “agreed” weight that can be agreed to cause minimal damage if ingested into a jet engine (the real concern vs a collision). Do keep in mind there are thousands of airliners legally operating below 500 feet every day. This is known as takeoff and landing at the airport. It is these Class B, C and D airspace violations by modelers that prompted Remote ID, unfortunately. Tim
Anyone else thinking about building a really big Wakefield? 😂
Great idea!! Tim
Nice idea!!!!
Agree with you. I won't be complying. Go Xjet.
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I have an idea, how about all class G is considered uncontrolled and therefore we can fly under 400 AGL
That would allow about 95% of drone operations to fly without RID, kinda self defeating.
Just don’t comply. Peaceful non compliance. Oh also, it creates an emergency situation. According to the FAA you can deviate from any law in case of in flight emergency. So therefore, I will not comply because it makes it dangerous and creates an in flight emergency
Matthew: I can see you are a bit new ref dealing with the FAA. Best of luck! 😁 Tim
I just follow the AMA regulations and fly below 400 ago.That non controlled airspace.And stay away from full scale aircraft operations.
A very good plan! Tim
How is RID tied to your registration? The FAA never asked me what I was flying. Autel and DJI never asked my registration number. The authorities would have to identify me by my drone's serial number broadcast to them and verified by the drone mfg.
Just the way the reg is written. Tim
@TimMcKay56 They can write anything. In reality, how would/could it work. My reg num is not associated with any particular drone. The only way to associate it would be to id it by serial number, get my name and account info from DJI, Autel, etc. and cross it to my registration number, in which case, why do they need a registration number in the first place.
Registration numbers are to id a crashed drone and it's owner, not to ID a drone in flight.
@@petem.3719 There is still a lot more to know about how this actually works. We'll learn a lot more as we get to Sept 16th. Tim
@gordonmckay4523 There’s also a lot more to know about how astrology, phrenology and homeopathy works. Because it doesn't. Maybe the FAA will let us know if they crack the mystery.
Meanwhile, any plan to cross ref ny drone and my reg number would require i tell the FAA what drones i own, including a unique identifier.
Not happening. DJI would have to cough up their database to the FAA and drone SN would have to be broadcast. That ain't happening either.
Only 107 pilots who must register each drone, AND IT'S SERIAL NO, with a unique registration number will be able to be identified by their RID data. For everyone else, the RID data is anonymous.
at petem.3719,
Not hard to figure out. Recreational pilots must register with the FAA (according to the Law) and are given a unique number that's on your printable FAA Registration.
WARNING - failure to comply with The Law could result in a stern verbal dressing down from perpetual flying in a circle jerk AMA members. Those that think the AMA cares about (us) need to realize (First) that they are a not-for-profit but "For Salary" organization and (Second) that Star Trek was not actually filmed "On Location".
NO ONE has any business knowing where, or when I fly my scale models. I don't fly drones, and never will. I will continue to fly my scale airplanes just like I have since the 1970's, period!!! We need a LOT less "government", and "government" reach in this country. Things have gotten so far out of hand, and I fear it's going to get worse before it get's better. Thanks for the Vid.
Thanks for checking in! Tim
I don't think that is "legally beating remote ID" its simply complying.
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Keep this in mind
# ! No big brother.
# 2 Fria today, will become Not so FRIA tomorrow.
# 3 Hi, I'm from the FAA and I am here to help you ! ?
# 4 Don't be placated into oblivion.
# 5 I am pretty sure the OEM software can be programmed with box limits on distance and altitude and maybe
even TCAS programming
RID is here to stay, it is really not that much of a big deal. Really. Tim
what was the date September 16th 2023? did you say September 16th 2023? could the date be September 16th 2023? will they extend the date September 16th 2023? i am sure you said
September 16th 2023?
Per www.FAA.gov Sept 16, 2023 is the date when remote ID becomes effective. The FAA can slip this date, but we will not know that until very close to Sept 16. Tim
What is the definition of "Indoors" ?
Not outside. Tim
Doesn't the FAA have enough things to do ?
Orders from Congress. 😳🤔😊 Tim
The parkflyers sales will soar!
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Good information, but who wanted to fly in a set area. That is boring. I like to fly and explore places.
Fixed wing RC pilots love flying with friends at a local club, as we generally are not trying to take pictures or videos. Tim
at TimMcKay56,
I've been flying planks since 1965 with a control line Link Trainer on a round asphalt flying field. Non of the people I fly with can handle standing in a Circle Jerk at the local club and we aren't trying to take pictures or videos, except for the occasional combat video.
Just fly in Class G airspace, it's uncontrolled.
Absolutely not true. Unmanned aircraft require RID anywhere they fly in the US, with the sole exception of a FRIA. Whether the airspace is controlled or not is irrelevant. Tim
Every FRIA will be a "temporary FRIA" in the long run.
Pretty much. I think all the FRIAs need to be renewed every 3-4 years. Tim
Check.
I have a feeling that if this is enforced it will be largely as an addon for bad actors and possibly as an occasional way for local law enforcement to bully people they don't like. How many of you have been fined by the FCC for transmitting at greater than 1W? I'd honestly be more worried about it if the fine were $50 per offense instead of a maximum of $25,000.
The FAA is mostly concerned about drones for RID. As drones come out of the factory after Dec 22, 2022 with RID installed, this aspect of RID essentially “solved”. For recreational pilots, as drones are removed from the discussion, the FAA really will not get involved. Tim
Everyone that's sick of government gone wild regulations, raise your hand. There are so many laws on the books that we cannot live one day of our lives without breaking one of them. We exist at the leisure of the government and at any time, they can ruin our life. I'm surprised I have not been sent to a re-education camp yet.
Texan: Perhaps you have not been keeping up with the news. We live in 2023, America is an advanced industrial nation. Regulations are part of our life to ensure the Pentagon can function, safe drugs for when we have our heart attacks, etc. Aviation is part of this. Do you complain of "government gone wild" when yourself or family members arrive safely on a transcontinental flight on a stormy winter night safely? This is because of the FAA and professionals who follow regulations. Your remarks on government overreach likely match word for word what pilots said in 1935 as they had to purchase and use radios to contact air traffic control. RID is such a minor event in the grand scheme of things . . . Tim
Luckily, the regulations will never keep up with technology. There are already FPV drones under 250g with a very long range and flight time. (like Flywoo Explorer) Soon we will have even longer range and higher performance in smaller and smaller drones as battery tech and drones continue to evolve. IMO, remoteID is NOT the answer. The answer is severe punishment for those who create or cause dangerous incidents. FPV pilots flying just over treetops, or usually under the treeline, are ZERO threat to manned aviation.
Yup, this will be a technology race for sure. Tim
Common logic dictates that free-flight aircraft would pose more of a danger to full-scale aircraft and/or property, if of course safety is actually the faa's concern behind all this madness. Yet the faa has given a free pass to free-flight. Just doesn't make sense nor add-up ... !
...And yes; there are large free-flight model aircraft, such as gliders, that soar to great heights. ...
Yup, more to learn as RID rules progress. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Hope RID, RIDs itself to oblivion !
You refer to the remote ID as likely not being required on Sept. 16 because the FAA recognizes that the FRIAS and other possible exemptions would not be ready by then. Having followed closely the talks with the AMA and the FAA, I can assure you that this controlling governmental agency does not operate with common sense at its side. Each and every time they implemented a rule, the AMA would challenge it and for brevity’s sake, they agreed only to disagree soon thereafter. Typical of bureaucracy .
Well, the FAA has changed one important date ref remote ID, that of manufacturers complying with factory installation of RID. Original date was Sept 22, 2022. Just could not be met, so the FAA slipped it to Dec 22, 2022. Thus dates can change. Predicting the future is a lousy business, so we'll have to wait and see. I can say, however, that our local club has been granted FAA FRIA status, so that is a bit of good news. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 since I had medical issues, I’ve allowed my club dues and AMA to lapse. I’ll check on their application for FRIA as it has been operating for some long time. Thanks for all the info.
@@krautyvonlederhosen 😊👍🏻 Tim
I build and fly my own creations on private property I`m not doing to do a thing different.
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You don't need to register your drone or have remote ID IF your drone is under 250 grams UNLESS you are flying for other than recreational purposes. ALL Drones that you fly under part 107 MUST be registered and have remote ID by Sept 15th 2023 regardless of weight. :)
Richard: Great point on the Part 107 flyers, I'll need to keep that in my notes. Tim
Common sense dictates that if you're flying in a dedicated model airfield that should suffice. As I remember back in the day that's what we all did anyway. Why are free flight models exempt? Isn't that even a bigger danger to commercial airplanes?
Reasonable question on free flight models. Tim
You're not alone in thinking that #2 is an exception, but I've been following these regs intimately since 2019, and I also used to run the drone team at my fire dept. before I retired and I have a few ins with some FAA folks, the new rules say NOTHING about sub 250g UAS and remote ID. I know that remote ID is tied to registration, and you don't have to registers sub 250g, but if you want to fly outdoors, away from a FRIA, legally, you MUST have remote ID regardless if you're registered or not. I've been telling people this in forums and comment sections for over a year when I see people boasting about their new sub 250g drone they just got and laughing how they don't have to worry about any of this. Read through the regs again, I promise you, when it comes time to be compliant, they will bust a someone somewhere with a sub 250g craft not using remote ID.
Well, we'll see. As remote ID is not required until Sept 16, 2023, modelers not familiar with the ins and outs. But I think to properly set up remote ID it needs to be linked to a drone registration. As registration is not required for recreational flying under 250 grams, no remote ID needed in this case. Of course, if you are working drones with a fire department that does not sound like recreational flying, so registration is required. And of course drones under 250 grams flown for recreational purposes still need to comply with other rules, such as flying below 400 feet, staying out of controlled airspace, etc. Tim
All my aircraft are under 250
Great!
Well this sucks ,the nearest FRIA for me is 50 miles away. I fly in a farm field behind my house. The nearest airport is 10 miles away and half of it is a cattle feed yard.
I've been following Tim's Guillows conversions in hopes of getting around this buruecratic BS.
I really want to thank those irresponsible FPV drone flyers that caused this big government mess.
I would guess not too many FAA visits to your back yard. But the purchase of one RID broadcast module (good for all your planes) and you’ll be street legal! Tim
@TimMcKay56 ..one of my problems is that I have some model planes that simply have no room inside for more electronics.
I got into electrics back when electrics wasn't cool ( circa 1988) because I made a deal with the owner of the field behind my house ,that I wouldn't use IC engines. He was worried about fuel spills. Most of my models are in the 800mm WS range ,on the older side and were not designed with a lot of room in them. My biggest models are an old Electra e-power glider and a Midwest e- Aerostar.
Should be some way to add a RID module? Tim
@TimMcKay56 ..what really bums me out is that I just retired from a heavily regulated industry and my other hobby is under federal and state attack. The only thing preventing its complete destruction is the Constitution.
If you have been watching what is going on in Ukraine it seems that that most effective weapons the Ukrainians have are FPV drones.
RID or no RID how long do you think it will be before something happens over large gathering of people.
Personally I think that the worst thing that ever happened to the RC hobby is FPV!
@TimMcKay56 ..well I just ordered a Specktrum RID module. The price of the module was bad enough, but $17 for extra power leads ...wow
Flite Test SUCKS.. they only promote foam shenanigans that disrupt real hobbyists
Well, one viewpoint. 😳🙀 Tim
The FAA needs to stay out of our radio control model hobby.They just need to regulate full scale aircraft only like they have in the past.
That would be nice. But 100s of drones are flying in controlled airspace without permission, so the Feds have to do something. Plus, remote ID is foundational to the emerging drone industry. With very large industry players. Really no going back to the old days. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 That will not happen. The economics are against it.
In my comments on the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking I recommended the adoption of a very simple and easy to implement solution, such as a prohibition I on flying more than say 400 feet above terrain. I warned that anything complicated or expensive and difficult to monitor would fail. I mentioned the attempt by the FCC to regulate Citizens Band operators by requiring a license, limiting antenna heights, limiting transmit power, etc., all without any way to monitor compliance. The result has been virtually no compliance with the CB regulations, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the same thing happens with remote ID.
Joe: Agree, will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Tim
wow... great alternatives. Fly in a non-existent FRIA, try to chop 485 grams off from my 734 g Mavic, or fly INSIDE! What an absolute buzz kill. I feel like there's a giant Grinch out there who is trying to suck every bit of fun out of recreational drones and other RC flight. And for what? A system that will be dysfunctional at best and will most likely cause unneeded confrontations and anti-drone vigilantes. ☠💀☠
It’s the 21st century. Change happens. The commercial drone industry is $29B and growing. Upwards of 7,000,000 hobby drones sold, pilots with zero training. Do nothing? Your arguments are word for word what pilots complained about radios and control towers in 1932.
This will all work out. 😊 Tim
@@TimMcKay56 I guess it's already working out... like ultralights. If you are small enough and under powered enough then big brother will leave you alone... for now. I say go ahead and regulate the you know what out of the commercial drone industry. Just let the hobbyists alone.
@@whosiewunkle1993 Works for me!!
With everything else going on, add this to the list which makes this time the dumbest time in human history.
Huh? 🤔
Remote ID and even having to worry about beating it in the first place.
RID is here to stay. Just part of flying in crowded airspace. Tim
Not sure about where you live, Tim, but where I live, the airspace that an RC plane would occupy is not crowded by anything.
I will not comply.
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You forgot that there are no drone rules in Bolivia. But can always check with the authorities prior to purchasing your tickets to fly freely but always fly responsibly.
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Just fly C/L
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The AMA should have told them they will not comply with this stupid overreach This will eventually ruin a hobby that is older than the FAA This is sickening
Well, that is one approach.
nobody flies indoors and faa areas are boring.
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The FAA has no business controlling non commercial non interstate aviation.
There is no CONSTITUTIONAL BASE
ARTICLE I Section 8 cannot in any way be interpreted to delegate Congress that power.
Read the Constitution, it is the supreme law of the land.
This is a wastefull requirement, which only the individual States or the people can institude.
We are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.
Those vehicles are no danger to COMMERCIAL AVIATION.
WAKE UP.
Also read the tenth Amendment, which delegates all other powers not enumerated in section 8, NO EXEPTIONS, to the States or the people .
Really?
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Don't you think it's time to understand and stand up to our rights, especially now when tyrannical behaviour is quite evident.
'really' is no meaningful answer, please elaborate!
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When the controller tells the pilot sqwack VFR, the student pilot asks, what is that? You answer 1200, puzzled, the student replies, confused: Really?
A meaningful discussion about transponder codes is needed.
@@Arturo-lapaz Yup, known as “ground school.” Tim
So much irrelevant information - skip video this, because you will fall asleep. This guy just love to hear himself talk and express what he undoubtedly knows a lot about...though it may not be relevant nor interesting to you.
What is relevant is hard to locate in all his word where it gets lost.....I just mention it in case you were thinking about skipping forward in the video.
You have been warned !
HH: Thanks for checking in! 😳😖😊👍🏻 Tim
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You are welcome 😀
And would love to do just that again once you have made a condensed version for those who are uninterested in all the fill talking but just want to know exactly what to do👍🏻
The entire concept that anything not on the ground is in federally controlled navigable airspace is ludicrous. In my back yard, below my 80 ft (and the neighbors 104 ft) tree IS NOT navigable federal airspace, PERIOD.
That a federal agency believes they have a legitimate claim to that airspace is just more proof that we need to rein in the federal government and dispense with their use of the commerce clause in article 1 section 8 of the Constitution as their so called authority to regulate every aspect of our lives.
JUST SAY NO
Wow!
You're silly if you're going to comply with that, just ignore it and non compliance is the answer because its unenforceable if no-one complies.
Professions comply with FAA regulations. My Sky ID is on the way! Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Dickheads comply and this is why in USA you will all soon be slaves to the system.
The local AMA field I now belong to NOW has no clue about needing remote id's OR and that they need to become a fria
Best to have your Club officers contact AMA soonest . . . they will let you know procedures and timeline. Cannot be done directly to the FAA. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 I don't think you read my statement the officers dint have a clue