To elaborate on the ranges listed, 2,000-2,500 m is the effective range of the Javelin depending on the IR signature, meaning this is the reliable distance it can be used at doctrinally. The true max range of the missile is much farther, likely over 4km, but the current dismounted sighting package holds it back. (Hitting things or even seeing them out to 4km isn’t something to count on, although it can theoretically be done). CROWS-J’s sights could give it a lot more range than the current widescale CLU, but it isn’t really fully in service yet and has had delays due to issues with the software.
"To elaborate on the ranges listed, 2,000-2,500 m is the effective range of the Javelin depending on the IR signature, meaning this is the reliable distance it can be used at doctrinally." Only on paper. In practise it's varies greatly on weather or topography. In Western/Central Europe effective ranger for LOS weapon systems like Javelin or TOW is half of that. BLOS ATGMS like Spike LR or MMP can fire at their maximum range(4-5 km) "CROWS-J’s sights could give it a lot more range than the current widescale CLU, but it isn’t really fully in service yet and has had delays due to issues with the software." Nope. RCWS won't solve biggest Javelin drawback, lack of BLOS mode.
@@norbi1411 Is it that much of a downside for a weapon that goes all the way down to a section level? Its intended targets can't engage infantry w/o LOS either.
Fun fact, Texas instruments was a key designer in the Javelin system. If you're younger and that sounds familiar, it's because they also put out the Ti-84 line of calculators. Yes, your graphing calculator from high school was designed by the same people who made Saint Javelin. 'Murca.
@@johndowe7003 Light infantry aint motorized infantry where I'm from at least lol. Had the exact same thought though as you Disbea. The backpacks alone can weigh 70kg as it is utilizing a gustaf or just an AT4. Imagine carrying a javalin system instead. 95% of the time, the only way that thing is moving is by you moving your legs, not by riding in some sort of vehicle. No doubt the javelin capabilities is impressive though, hats off.
I'm Australian. Our lads in Afghanistan learned early on to park the vehicles up predawn & hump on foot all day so they can't hear you coming. Poor Buggers are a lot fitter than me. Some SAS lads ran half the Melbourne Marathon with 70kg (168lbs) packs wearing masks the other year. I don't think there's anyone else in the Country that could do that. I'm old enough to call a round of golf exercise...
@@tsubadaikhan6332 The British in the mid-1800s said it best when they researched the issue of the amount of weight solders were carrying: "A soldiers ability to fight is inverse to the amount of weight they are carrying." Which is why malnourished illiterate insurgents, who think Allah will guide their shots, who are carrying 40 pounds of gear at most, regularly outmauver western ground forces on foot. Not even pack animals carry as much cargo vs body weight as western solders. Even the animals that only need to last the season aren't as heavily loaded. Which is why so many young guys have backs, knees, and hips that are completely trashed after a few years of that abuse.
Just wanted to say that the way you showed the effective range of the weapon was very very well done and perfectly illustrates how far it can be fired, far better than just numbers and comparisons and more concise, excellent job man, thanks
I gained a better appreciation for the range when I played open world games (Satisfactory and Genshin)... You get to travel massive distances on foot just to realize that a tank can hit another from one end of this massive map to another if there was line of sight. IRL you don't have any easy way of measuring such distances and you also wouldn't be walking some 4-6km for no good reason normally. And even with google maps, I don't get the same level of appreciation because I don't get to see this distance from a ground level. These games gave me much greater appreciation of the distances involved, more so than games like Steel beasts, World of Tanks or Warthunder because either you get access to optics or the combat distances always end up super short regardless. Hell I gained greater appreciation of how extreme small arms can shoot. 500m is no joke; no wonder why optics are such a big thing nowadays. FPS games all have this zoom increase when you aim down. Nothing like firing a real gun with only iron sights.
I'm here coz of a tweet " Javelins getting a good workout , a Ukrainian military official told me just now. " - Michael Weiss 5:09 am 25th Feb 22 Now I know what the hecks a Javelin 👍
That is so cool. 35 years ago I was trained on the Dragon which was this systems predecessor. It was high tech for its day, but prehistoric compared to this. Everything we dreamed of then has been made real.
I trained in the 84mm (carl Gustav), a real iron girder to carry especially with its 3 rounds.. Bur funnily enough, I wasn't dreaming of its successor , but beer and birds.
I like how you start with the coast factor right off the bat. But, considering a tank is a few millions, a missile costing a few hundred thousands still is on the profit I'd say.
the missiles actually don't cost that much, 12-15k. I have no idea where the 100k per shot comes from, probably from the per (complete) unit cost; which is mostly made up of the CLU (targeting sensor).
As an Anti-Tank Assault Guided Missileman (0352) in the Marine Corps, I really appreciate how you talked about the weapon systems capabilities as well as its employment. Unlike some other channels, what you've covered is 100% accurate. Great job!
As someone who has experience with the javelin, can you tell me the average time it takes to establish a target lock on, and what is the "efficient" time for a gunner to get a lock on target?
Didn’t even see the first 30secounds and already liked this. This system, when used appropriately, is one of the most effective platforms on the battlefield and has near no other equivalent other than mounted platforms.
Thanks for the support! It does have some equivalents that do certain things better or have more flexibility, like the Spike. In terms of this specific niche of ATGM, it's probably still better than anything the Russians are fielding for example though
@@BattleOrder With Australia's future IFV program we'll be acquiring a platform that can utilise spike missiles. I think it's a pretty cool missile so I'm happy
@@alexnderrrthewoke4479 Russia comes out with new prototype military equipment all the time, but can never actually field them in substantial numbers. Most of the stuff actually used are Soviet designs modded with new bells and whistles.
@@BattleOrder I loved having the Bier Halle debates in NATO. Spike and JAV are always compared and I love it. Comes down to mission set in the end and resources available. Spike is absolutely fantastic and I’d love to get behind it some time. Versatility and utility of the CLU is where I lean toward. But… I loved having the J on my Vic when they came in, “so much room for activities!”
1:31 This is the single most understandable visual explaining weapons ranges I've ever seen on youtube, and this is coming from an OG youtuber. Just shows the level of creativity and new thinking you are bringing into this community. Thank you.
They banned the Javelin Missile System in Canada by an Order in Council. I guess the were sick of people robbing gas stations and kiosks with man portable, anti tank, fire and forget weapons.
@Drew Peacock Oh man, no I dont still have any, but even if I did it would violate my security clearance (higher pay in the civvie world if you keep it) to post controlled info, even if unclassified - which I'm pretty sure that info _is_ technically classified, even if only at the lowest levels, and its just better to be safe than sorry. Sorry! 😕
An imaging infrared seeker similar to the Javelin's was also proposed for the TOW Fire-and-Forget or TOW-FF program which was cancelled in 2002 due to budget cuts. With the US Army currently seeking to replace the TOW through the Close Combat Missile System-Heavy or CCMS-H effort, it shouldn't be difficult for the Army to revive the TOW-FF by combining the TOW missile airframe with the Javelin IIR seeker.
Hail Javelin, full of HEAT, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among AT riflemen, and blessed are the fruit of thy weapons squads. Holy Javelin, product of Raytheon-Lockheed Martin, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of encountering infantry both mechanized and dismounted, Amen.
Context: Ukrainian solders began to call the missile "St. Javelin" (mostly donated by the US and NATO) due to it's capability of easily destroying Russian tanks.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
There's something just viscerally satisfying about the *whumpf* of a Javelin popping from the launcher and then igniting its rocket motor to fly out into the sky and give some tank down range a baaad day.
On the other hand expensive weapons that have very high efficiency in combat are also very demoralizing for the enemy - knowing that every single small mistake can determine your survival...
If the hit success rate is high, destroying an enemy tank with a 3 bedrooms house costs is not expensive at all when compared to the alternative costs you have to pay if the tank can freely roam inside your city. 🤫
It's insane how much the brigade is changing over the next decade - if a piece of kit hasn't already been replaced in the previous decade, it is essentially getting replaced this decade.
@@phinix250 true, and it is unfortunate, but the idea of "better late than never" definitely holds in this situation. In the absence of a threat or under a different strategy, we could easily end up just cutting funding for our forces like NZ.
You're comparing a man-portable antitank missile to one mounted on an attack chopper. Depending on the version -- Hellfires can cost between 45K - 200K+ Meaning the Javelin is still more expensive than half of the available models of Hellfires..
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@@catsfrommars also the Hellfire missile can be launched from 10km away and it is also tandem charged and fire and forget and top attack.
@ yup, further adding to the whole apples and oranges thing. Hellfire v. Javelin isn't really a good comparison. As a man portable ATM, the Javelin is still an expensive piece of kit when you factor in the reduced performance compared to a hellfire. I guess one thing it does best is a Jave can be launched from the last place you'd expect a tank killing missile to come from. Like a porta potty or your mom's minivan.
@Анастасия Борисова well if you exaggerate things. But we can't deny the javelin was an effective weapon . If you got the figures why don't you share with us? x D
@Анастасия Борисова Ahh yes, unlike your media that denys Russian losses dispite the fact we can look at dozens of photos of APCs full of meat jelly made of your people
@@03041976001 Who said i was tolerant? I consider myself a highly intolerant leftist, if you want tolerance go elsewhere
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@Анастасия Борисова don't waste your time, we're in the OSINT information age. It's not like you can't have live geolocated photos from multiple angle merely minutes after a tank is shot down. Projects are dedicated to tracking those in great detail ! And what they show is stunning : it's nowhere near the Ukrainian Government claims, but it still is in the hundreds, and over a thousand vehicules in total after two weeks. Those Javelins and NLAWs portable missiles, as well as drones such as the Bayraktars, are devastating and might shift the balance of wars from now on.
It is quite amazing how advance our military technology is becoming or just technology in general. I never imagined that we'd see stuff like this and see it so often.
It's early WWII all over again. A typical infantry unit with typical anti-armor assets cannot stop a deliberate armored attack with concentrated tanks. They simply can't put enough missiles down range before the tanks close the distance. Defending infantry need a fast way to concentrate anti-armor assets before the tanks close, or run away.
Ya, a single javelin missile would have to kill like 2-3 T-72s just to make back its cost. I wish we could develop something as simple as the Russian RPG-7 (though, with better warheads) for our guys to use. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper.
@@norbi1411 right, I know about the AT-4. But those are one use launchers. I think the Carl Gustov is good too, it just don’t have the Anti-armor punch of a RPG-7 with a tandem warhead.
While the RPG-7 is good for general purpose explosives chucking, it is not nearly as reliable of a tank killer as something like the Javelin. Even if you go with a less expensive ATGM, the options that you want that can reliably kill tanks will still be bulkier and more expensive than an RPG-7.
The sad thing about weapons like the Javelin is the fact that, well, we're getting into some Battletech-esque combat shenanigans. Sensor ranges so bad? Deceptive countermeasures making targeting at longer distances very dicey. Missiles being fired in salvos over singles? ADS improved to the point that you need to spam missiles to get a hit. So on and so forth. This sort of thing is, surprisingly, going to change a lot of things that we understand in terms of combat.
this has been raised as an issue in modern navies where the concern is an exchange is going to come down to who has more strike missiles than their enemy has interceptor missiles. it is going to make war an even more costly affair (which in my opinion is a good thing since it will discourage war).
@@phinix250 You're talking about humans, though. If there is a reason to go to war, then you've got a war. The only real thing to ensure war isn't a thing is _trade_ or more specifically trade that is politically and economically _free_ for all intents and purposes. The moment that this 'pricetag' goes up, wars _will_ start.
Whenever I heard someone speaking of firing a rocket from a building I just here the German soldier from COH2, “ I know it’s technically impossible to shot a panzerscreck from an enclosed position, DON’T READ THE FUCKING MANUAL NEXT TIME AND YOU WON’T CARE SO MUCH!”
If you set up a link with the script, I'll translate it to Ukranian. Also, I hope someone posts a video explaining how to operate, track, target, lock and fire a Javelin system, that way it can be posted in Ukranian. I know soldiers were trained, but there are MANY civilians that NEED to learn this. The tactics also should be translated. They need it. I hope you consider it.
@@cmdmd I'm well aware, I just saw on the news a few hours ago they claimed to have handed out all the small arms they had to give to civilians. Compared to RPGS and other less advanced anti tank weapons they have alot less Javelins. Right now there's still alot of actual trained military, so it makes sense for the most advanced, most expensive and limited weapons to be fielded by the people who can use them to best affect. Aka people with formal training with them. If there comes a time that God forbid trained men are wiped out civilians using them would make sense, however at that point I'd imagine Javelins would be used up anyway.
Factor in contract bidding, payouts to congressmen, R & D, factory setup, tooling, cost overruns, the lowly P38 probably cost as much as a 3bdrm/2bath house in its day.
Battle Order hit this nail right on the head. The Javelin is the only true anti armor weapon that infantrymen can use in any terrain. Even if the TOW has a longer maximum effective range, the Javelin’s soft lock capability keeps the signature to the gunner low. Modern Russian heavy armor have a quick lock capability in which they may quickly locate and fire 3 main tank rounds towards the location of a hard lock sighting system (such as the TOW system). The Marine Corps is keeping the TOW around to utilize in their CAAT platoons. But their dependency on the Javelin can’t be over stated; especially with no more Marine tankers.
This is truly a gamechanger. The Javelin is going to make main battle tanks obsolete the way muskets wielded by foot soldiers readily defeated heavily armored mounted knights and made them obsolete. I don't see how tanks aren't just rendered obsolete at this point on account of this weapon.
they have said that since the 40s dude, if you don't have a effective armoured bunker that can move how do you advance on less then peer nations without having infantry shredded by mg fire we learned this in ww1 and its even worse now. the israliesinvented the thophy system to take out projectiels before they hit the tank as far as I'm aware its been fairly effective against even guided ordinace.
No this makes the Soviet Style Tanks obsolete as they've arguably been proven to be since Operation Desert Storm, I suspect a big reason why the US hasn't put APS modules on their Abrams to any significant extent is they wanted one that can deal with high angle top attack missiles like the Javelin.
I was a 27E 20 years ago. I repaired these as well as the TOW and dragon missile systems. The dragons were getting phased out, but some special operators were still using them. The Javelins are super easy to work on. Take out a few screws, pull up on the handles and it comes apart. Easy to swap out bad parts. Putting it back together, you had to make sure the pins were aligned and it would seat itself when let go. If it didn't, you'd have to pull it back out and try again. If you forced it, you'd break/bend all the gold pins rendering the system a paperweight. Yea, we had a guy do that.
That thumbnail... I am struggling between saying “keep being who you are” and “it’s awesome” I guess seeing it every so often is refreshing, but I’d like to see previous, more formal thumbnails for some reason.
In a world where the thumbnail and title are the biggest contributing factors to people clicking on the video and doing well, making it more eye catching and less formal is worth it so people watch the parts I put more research and work into.
Great video, easy to understand and informative as always. By the way, do you intend to, in the future, make videos about the mechanised/armoured forces of EU countries, like you did with Sweden?
The US has delivered additional 17,000 anti tank weapons and 2,000 stingers to Ukraine just in the past several days. Compare that to what they delivered in the months before the invasion it's absolutely phenomenal. I gotta recheck because I thought the 17,000 were all javelins but now not so sure.
A meeting engagement between two modern battalions would be insane. Everyone has so much equipment. A WW2 soldier just had a bolt-action rifle with a wooden stock and some grenades, if he was lucky he would show up in a truck, and if he was really lucky he'd show up in a half-track. Now everyone is mechanized and brings tons of guided missiles and support weapons. It must cost 100x more to put someone into the line today compared to the 1940's.
Put six of those on a light Nebelwerfer-style chassis with multi-targeting CLU and one light manhandled system could destroy a tank formation in a single salvo or (if rocket motor plumes so require) in a rippled volley as also used during WWII for the same reason. Even better with Spike but the US only pretends to evaluate most foreign systems. While big Army is financially averse to such things a multiple Javelin launcher (vs single Javs exposed on RWS taking long times to reload while exposing the missileer) could do serious damage to multiple targets. A ratcheted rotating rack (same principle as a revolver cylinder) would be easy for any fab shop to prototype and would allow one Javelin to always be in battery while other, empty tubes were replaced. A lightweight pallet, rack, skid or trailer could carry MANY Javelin giving SOCOM serious firepower easily airlifted to site. Parts would largely interchange with existing systems. Smaller diameter weapons could be fired from JavelinWefer tubes by use of "insert rails" Germany invented in WWII which could be made of plastic or composite today. Mount a JavelinWerfer on any light vehicle (no recoil, no problem) or better, use NLOS ATGW, and the effect could be devastating. NLOS would be magnificent since JavelinWerfer could fire from the protection of reverse slopes rather than expose the gunner. Another advantage is JavelinWerfer could be sited away from personnel so when killed by enemy fires (future combats won't just be one-sided constabulary operations) the crew live to operate other systems. A JavelinWerfer could easily fit a 463L pallet along with spare missiles, tools, argon dewars for cooling, spare batteries and even a small genset if desired. Palletized and skid-mounted JavelinWerfer could be carried easily and placed or mounted anywhere.
Ukraine’s possession of Javelins is, IMO, the most potentially interesting right now, as they’re the most likely Javelin users to face off against modern or semi-modern tanks
@@preserveourpbfs7128 I actually mis-spoke they didn't get javalins the taliban had stinger missiles since the late 80s early 90s given to them by us gov to fight the Russians. They weren't javilans 😌
@@johndowe7003 Ahhh! That makes more sense. You’re spot on, the Mujahideen did a number of Soviet aircraft once they received stingers from us. Good think giving them weapons never came back to bite us, right?
@@preserveourpbfs7128 lol we've been giving guns to everyone. Why do.you think those guatamalans are getting free passes , cause all the shit we did during their civil war
Although the Javelin is expensive, so is most guided missile systems. Because of that, Javelin is more comparable to the TOW, Eryx, or Konkurs missile systems instead of the AT4, or RPG-7.
RPG-7 Missiles are worth about $200, compared to Javelin, about $80,000 per missile. Thats why they have a %97 percent success rate, and take out any armor from the Top.
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To elaborate on the ranges listed, 2,000-2,500 m is the effective range of the Javelin depending on the IR signature, meaning this is the reliable distance it can be used at doctrinally. The true max range of the missile is much farther, likely over 4km, but the current dismounted sighting package holds it back. (Hitting things or even seeing them out to 4km isn’t something to count on, although it can theoretically be done). CROWS-J’s sights could give it a lot more range than the current widescale CLU, but it isn’t really fully in service yet and has had delays due to issues with the software.
Cool thanks for telling
"To elaborate on the ranges listed, 2,000-2,500 m is the effective range of the Javelin depending on the IR signature, meaning this is the reliable distance it can be used at doctrinally."
Only on paper. In practise it's varies greatly on weather or topography. In Western/Central Europe effective ranger for LOS weapon systems like Javelin or TOW is half of that. BLOS ATGMS like Spike LR or MMP can fire at their maximum range(4-5 km)
"CROWS-J’s sights could give it a lot more range than the current widescale CLU, but it isn’t really fully in service yet and has had delays due to issues with the software."
Nope. RCWS won't solve biggest Javelin drawback, lack of BLOS mode.
You're saying "nope" as if I said BLOS capability isn't cool lol
@@BattleOrder Did I?
@@norbi1411 Is it that much of a downside for a weapon that goes all the way down to a section level? Its intended targets can't engage infantry w/o LOS either.
This video's about to get real popular soon.
It legit showed up in my recommendations lmoa
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Praise the lord! St. Javelin
Slava Ukraini!
@@ryanhampson673 Heroyam Slava!
Fun fact, Texas instruments was a key designer in the Javelin system. If you're younger and that sounds familiar, it's because they also put out the Ti-84 line of calculators. Yes, your graphing calculator from high school was designed by the same people who made Saint Javelin. 'Murca.
Ti-84 gang represent.
Also the same people who made your washing machine made the GAU 8 Avenger gun on the A10.
@@jeramysteve3394 I think that’s General Electric. Same idea tho. They make machines that clean your clothes and machines that clean the battlefield.
You know, every time the military has come up with a "Lighter Force" my ruck has gotten heavier. There is nothing light about the light infantry.
Infantry is all motorized anyways not like you have to hump that weight 90km on foot
@@johndowe7003 Light infantry aint motorized infantry where I'm from at least lol.
Had the exact same thought though as you Disbea. The backpacks alone can weigh 70kg as it is utilizing a gustaf or just an AT4. Imagine carrying a javalin system instead. 95% of the time, the only way that thing is moving is by you moving your legs, not by riding in some sort of vehicle.
No doubt the javelin capabilities is impressive though, hats off.
I'm Australian. Our lads in Afghanistan learned early on to park the vehicles up predawn & hump on foot all day so they can't hear you coming. Poor Buggers are a lot fitter than me. Some SAS lads ran half the Melbourne Marathon with 70kg (168lbs) packs wearing masks the other year. I don't think there's anyone else in the Country that could do that. I'm old enough to call a round of golf exercise...
@@tsubadaikhan6332 The British in the mid-1800s said it best when they researched the issue of the amount of weight solders were carrying: "A soldiers ability to fight is inverse to the amount of weight they are carrying."
Which is why malnourished illiterate insurgents, who think Allah will guide their shots, who are carrying 40 pounds of gear at most, regularly outmauver western ground forces on foot.
Not even pack animals carry as much cargo vs body weight as western solders. Even the animals that only need to last the season aren't as heavily loaded. Which is why so many young guys have backs, knees, and hips that are completely trashed after a few years of that abuse.
The military loves their buzzwords, after all
Update this is now the single most battle tested anti-tank missile system in the world, whoever designed this deserves a fucking medal of Honor!
Imagine the amount of homeless could be decreased in America everytime a javelin is fired
@@alqaeda7040 1 Javelin = $150k
1 T72 = $10m
I say the exchange is worth it.
@@multidoor6928 1 house =150,000 dollar. One less homless in America, better exchange
That and the NLAW now.
@@multidoor6928 Or just nationalize weapons development so "your" defense contractors don't bend you over and fuck you.
Just wanted to say that the way you showed the effective range of the weapon was very very well done and perfectly illustrates how far it can be fired, far better than just numbers and comparisons and more concise, excellent job man, thanks
I gained a better appreciation for the range when I played open world games (Satisfactory and Genshin)... You get to travel massive distances on foot just to realize that a tank can hit another from one end of this massive map to another if there was line of sight. IRL you don't have any easy way of measuring such distances and you also wouldn't be walking some 4-6km for no good reason normally. And even with google maps, I don't get the same level of appreciation because I don't get to see this distance from a ground level. These games gave me much greater appreciation of the distances involved, more so than games like Steel beasts, World of Tanks or Warthunder because either you get access to optics or the combat distances always end up super short regardless. Hell I gained greater appreciation of how extreme small arms can shoot. 500m is no joke; no wonder why optics are such a big thing nowadays. FPS games all have this zoom increase when you aim down. Nothing like firing a real gun with only iron sights.
I'm here coz of a tweet " Javelins getting a good workout , a Ukrainian military official told me just now. " - Michael Weiss 5:09 am 25th Feb 22
Now I know what the hecks a Javelin 👍
It’s funny that I just now got this video in my recommended. How fitting
That is so cool. 35 years ago I was trained on the Dragon which was this systems predecessor. It was high tech for its day, but prehistoric compared to this. Everything we dreamed of then has been made real.
I trained in the 84mm (carl Gustav), a real iron girder to carry especially with its 3 rounds.. Bur funnily enough, I wasn't dreaming of its successor , but beer and birds.
Blessed be Saint Javalin, holy be thy missile, top down her wrath will decend.
"And Saint Javelin raised the missile up on high, saying; 'Oh Lord, bless this thy Guided Missile, that with it thy mayest blow thy enemies"
Amen
I like how you start with the coast factor right off the bat.
But, considering a tank is a few millions, a missile costing a few hundred thousands still is on the profit I'd say.
They should be handing out like candy to the general populace a modern version of the cheaply produced Panzerfaust.
the missiles actually don't cost that much, 12-15k. I have no idea where the 100k per shot comes from, probably from the per (complete) unit cost; which is mostly made up of the CLU (targeting sensor).
lol like throwing a house at a yacht
@@Clockwork0nions according to google 1 jav is 190k. 150k for reloading a rocket. For 12k you get an rpg-7 with some rockets
@@Fabsi87
Google is wrong. Those are the numbers given out in the literal class on the Javelin.
Fun tidbit, the Javelin uses a 9x19NATO blank to shoot off, so the training system just pops off the blanks until you get to live fire qualifications
pretty sure thats the AT4 since the the Javelin is a top down attack weaon...
@@jasonmarkus3834 javelins also have a 9x19 blank starter
45 stans btfo
No, it does not. You are thinking of the AT4.
As an Anti-Tank Assault Guided Missileman (0352) in the Marine Corps, I really appreciate how you talked about the weapon systems capabilities as well as its employment. Unlike some other channels, what you've covered is 100% accurate. Great job!
Thanks mate! We try
As someone who has experience with the javelin, can you tell me the average time it takes to establish a target lock on, and what is the "efficient" time for a gunner to get a lock on target?
Didn’t even see the first 30secounds and already liked this. This system, when used appropriately, is one of the most effective platforms on the battlefield and has near no other equivalent other than mounted platforms.
ALSO NICE TO SEE MY VC GOT A SHOUTOUT/RECOGNIZED FOR CROW-J TOP GUN!!!!
Thanks for the support!
It does have some equivalents that do certain things better or have more flexibility, like the Spike. In terms of this specific niche of ATGM, it's probably still better than anything the Russians are fielding for example though
@@BattleOrder With Australia's future IFV program we'll be acquiring a platform that can utilise spike missiles. I think it's a pretty cool missile so I'm happy
@@alexnderrrthewoke4479 Russia comes out with new prototype military equipment all the time, but can never actually field them in substantial numbers. Most of the stuff actually used are Soviet designs modded with new bells and whistles.
@@BattleOrder I loved having the Bier Halle debates in NATO. Spike and JAV are always compared and I love it. Comes down to mission set in the end and resources available. Spike is absolutely fantastic and I’d love to get behind it some time. Versatility and utility of the CLU is where I lean toward. But… I loved having the J on my Vic when they came in, “so much room for activities!”
If Javelins can knock out tanks, I think they're well worth a few houses.
Yes, but using one to engage a PKM up on a hill just seems like a tad bit overkill.
1:31 This is the single most understandable visual explaining weapons ranges I've ever seen on youtube, and this is coming from an OG youtuber. Just shows the level of creativity and new thinking you are bringing into this community. Thank you.
I've never thought I'll search information about Javelin Missile in my entire life.
How the Javelin Missile is used:
Give it to the least favorite rifleman in the squad and watch the sweat flow 😂
It might be expensive as hell, but it's definitely a marvel of engineering.
The slight projectile drop before rocket ignition is rather scary. Even with a 65M safety.
They banned the Javelin Missile System in Canada by an Order in Council. I guess the were sick of people robbing gas stations and kiosks with man portable, anti tank, fire and forget weapons.
they cost more money than any petrol station has. if you can afford one of these, you don't need to rob anybody.
This weapon is going to become one of the most popular anti-armor systems in the world real soon.
Not really, RPG is more reliable.
@@tormundgaint1022 RPGs struggle against Humvees…
Well Saint Javelin has been busy these last few days.
Just a heads up; the missle is called the Javalin; the launcher is called CLU.
The Ruski hunter!
Javelin can also target helicopters in direct attack mode - or, at least, we definitely trained on using it that way back in the day.
@Drew Peacock I honestly can't remember. Its been damn near 20 years since I held a CLU, let alone studied the manual lol.
@Drew Peacock Oh man, no I dont still have any, but even if I did it would violate my security clearance (higher pay in the civvie world if you keep it) to post controlled info, even if unclassified - which I'm pretty sure that info _is_ technically classified, even if only at the lowest levels, and its just better to be safe than sorry.
Sorry! 😕
@Drew Peacock gives away specific capabilities of a weapons systems; and its weaknesses
An imaging infrared seeker similar to the Javelin's was also proposed for the TOW Fire-and-Forget or TOW-FF program which was cancelled in 2002 due to budget cuts. With the US Army currently seeking to replace the TOW through the Close Combat Missile System-Heavy or CCMS-H effort, it shouldn't be difficult for the Army to revive the TOW-FF by combining the TOW missile airframe with the Javelin IIR seeker.
Still doesn't cut out for the future
Hail Javelin, full of HEAT, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among AT riflemen, and blessed are the fruit of thy weapons squads.
Holy Javelin, product of Raytheon-Lockheed Martin, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of encountering infantry both mechanized and dismounted, Amen.
Context: Ukrainian solders began to call the missile "St. Javelin" (mostly donated by the US and NATO) due to it's capability of easily destroying Russian tanks.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
Whoa...
BRUH
FACTULLY AND POSTMODERN
CANNOT COMPUTE
WHERE EVEN AM I????
@@YeahCain2 A documentary of the Tonahawk cruise missile.
Now I understand what
" it is what it is"
means.....
From The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, right?
This became more relevent than expected
Damn the russian must hate this rn
There's something just viscerally satisfying about the *whumpf* of a Javelin popping from the launcher and then igniting its rocket motor to fly out into the sky and give some tank down range a baaad day.
ruskies are getting tapped by these?
ZAMN!
I see the youtube algorithm has timed this perfectly
I love the graphic of launching the house.
Saint Javelina, saviour of manking, deathbringer to warcriminals in Ukraine
Protect Ukraine, St. Javelin, Lockheed Martin be praised.
"And Saint Javelin raised the missile up on high, saying; 'Oh Lord, bless this thy Guided Missile, that with it thy mayest blow thy enemies"
Amen
@@TRPilot06YT A man of taste and culture i see...
And now we’re seeing the effects of this against hostile Russian armor. Devastating
Expensive but, way cheaper than a tank and easier to transport
On the other hand expensive weapons that have very high efficiency in combat are also very demoralizing for the enemy - knowing that every single small mistake can determine your survival...
@@veduci22 knowing your tank can be killed by a single ukrainian with a dumbbell that goes boom just made a tanker the most dangerous job for russians
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I like the way you used an actual house for a top down attack.
Ukriane: interesting
If the hit success rate is high, destroying an enemy tank with a 3 bedrooms house costs is not expensive at all when compared to the alternative costs you have to pay if the tank can freely roam inside your city. 🤫
I would love to see a video on the Australian combat brigade especially since we're modernising to get an idea of hoy they will look in the future
Yep more Aussie content thanks.
It's insane how much the brigade is changing over the next decade - if a piece of kit hasn't already been replaced in the previous decade, it is essentially getting replaced this decade.
@@ArisenfromDogma, keep in mind it has taken over half a century to replace the APCs. The Australian Army was neglected for a long time.
@@phinix250 true, and it is unfortunate, but the idea of "better late than never" definitely holds in this situation. In the absence of a threat or under a different strategy, we could easily end up just cutting funding for our forces like NZ.
That would warm my Aussie heart.
And now we know that it's a beast
"Javalin missiles are expensive".
Hellfire: Hold my beer.
You're comparing a man-portable antitank missile to one mounted on an attack chopper. Depending on the version -- Hellfires can cost between 45K - 200K+ Meaning the Javelin is still more expensive than half of the available models of Hellfires..
@@catsfrommars also the Hellfire missile can be launched from 10km away and it is also tandem charged and fire and forget and top attack.
@ yup, further adding to the whole apples and oranges thing. Hellfire v. Javelin isn't really a good comparison. As a man portable ATM, the Javelin is still an expensive piece of kit when you factor in the reduced performance compared to a hellfire. I guess one thing it does best is a Jave can be launched from the last place you'd expect a tank killing missile to come from. Like a porta potty or your mom's minivan.
Lol Hellfire is big and heavy
@ hellfire is not fire and forget. Except the MMW radar guided one
Just watching again and appreciating how javelin was used effectively by the Ukranians. 🇺🇦
@Анастасия Борисова well if you exaggerate things. But we can't deny the javelin was an effective weapon . If you got the figures why don't you share with us? x D
@Анастасия Борисова Ahh yes, unlike your media that denys Russian losses dispite the fact we can look at dozens of photos of APCs full of meat jelly made of your people
@@03041976001 Who said i was tolerant?
I consider myself a highly intolerant leftist, if you want tolerance go elsewhere
@Анастасия Борисова don't waste your time, we're in the OSINT information age. It's not like you can't have live geolocated photos from multiple angle merely minutes after a tank is shot down. Projects are dedicated to tracking those in great detail !
And what they show is stunning : it's nowhere near the Ukrainian Government claims, but it still is in the hundreds, and over a thousand vehicules in total after two weeks.
Those Javelins and NLAWs portable missiles, as well as drones such as the Bayraktars, are devastating and might shift the balance of wars from now on.
@@therideneverends1697 You seem to tolerate black men fucking your girlfriend
Javelin the mother of anti tank missiles
It is quite amazing how advance our military technology is becoming or just technology in general. I never imagined that we'd see stuff like this and see it so often.
FIM-92 Stinger next ?
Let us hope Ukraine got some of these bad boys
They are on the way or already there.
They have gotten both Javelins and NLAWs
It's early WWII all over again. A typical infantry unit with typical anti-armor assets cannot stop a deliberate armored attack with concentrated tanks. They simply can't put enough missiles down range before the tanks close the distance. Defending infantry need a fast way to concentrate anti-armor assets before the tanks close, or run away.
It never could
Ya, a single javelin missile would have to kill like 2-3 T-72s just to make back its cost.
I wish we could develop something as simple as the Russian RPG-7 (though, with better warheads) for our guys to use. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper.
@@nobodyherepal3292 We did. There are plenty of AT grande launchers like AT-4 etc.
@@norbi1411 right, I know about the AT-4. But those are one use launchers.
I think the Carl Gustov is good too, it just don’t have the Anti-armor punch of a RPG-7 with a tandem warhead.
While the RPG-7 is good for general purpose explosives chucking, it is not nearly as reliable of a tank killer as something like the Javelin. Even if you go with a less expensive ATGM, the options that you want that can reliably kill tanks will still be bulkier and more expensive than an RPG-7.
I hope that you continue to educate us using Home Prices attached to the missile
It's great that you included the references and TCs. Keep ot up!
Thanks, will do!
The sad thing about weapons like the Javelin is the fact that, well, we're getting into some Battletech-esque combat shenanigans. Sensor ranges so bad? Deceptive countermeasures making targeting at longer distances very dicey. Missiles being fired in salvos over singles? ADS improved to the point that you need to spam missiles to get a hit. So on and so forth.
This sort of thing is, surprisingly, going to change a lot of things that we understand in terms of combat.
this has been raised as an issue in modern navies where the concern is an exchange is going to come down to who has more strike missiles than their enemy has interceptor missiles. it is going to make war an even more costly affair (which in my opinion is a good thing since it will discourage war).
@@phinix250 You're talking about humans, though. If there is a reason to go to war, then you've got a war. The only real thing to ensure war isn't a thing is _trade_ or more specifically trade that is politically and economically _free_ for all intents and purposes. The moment that this 'pricetag' goes up, wars _will_ start.
Information is ammunition!
Wow, I just learned a lot. Thank you for your efforts. The javelin is costly, but when you care enough to send the very best its well worth it.
Whenever I heard someone speaking of firing a rocket from a building I just here the German soldier from COH2, “ I know it’s technically impossible to shot a panzerscreck from an enclosed position, DON’T READ THE FUCKING MANUAL NEXT TIME AND YOU WON’T CARE SO MUCH!”
If you set up a link with the script, I'll translate it to Ukranian. Also, I hope someone posts a video explaining how to operate, track, target, lock and fire a Javelin system, that way it can be posted in Ukranian.
I know soldiers were trained, but there are MANY civilians that NEED to learn this.
The tactics also should be translated.
They need it. I hope you consider it.
These are too valuable to be used by untrained people, unless it comes to necessity. They have plenty of other simpler stuff like RPGs to use.
@@chickenfishhybrid44
Trust me, they’ll need it.
@@cmdmd obviously they need them. By necessity I meant if it gets to the point where there's no trained soldiers left so a civilian has to use it.
@@chickenfishhybrid44
The were recruiting every able-bodied male. Yes, that need is there.
As things are, they’ll need every citizen.
@@cmdmd I'm well aware, I just saw on the news a few hours ago they claimed to have handed out all the small arms they had to give to civilians.
Compared to RPGS and other less advanced anti tank weapons they have alot less Javelins. Right now there's still alot of actual trained military, so it makes sense for the most advanced, most expensive and limited weapons to be fielded by the people who can use them to best affect. Aka people with formal training with them. If there comes a time that God forbid trained men are wiped out civilians using them would make sense, however at that point I'd imagine Javelins would be used up anyway.
The last time the Army bought something worth using that didn't cost a three bedroom/two bath home was the P 38 Can Opener.
Factor in contract bidding, payouts to congressmen, R & D, factory setup, tooling, cost overruns, the lowly P38 probably cost as much as a 3bdrm/2bath house in its day.
Battle Order hit this nail right on the head. The Javelin is the only true anti armor weapon that infantrymen can use in any terrain. Even if the TOW has a longer maximum effective range, the Javelin’s soft lock capability keeps the signature to the gunner low. Modern Russian heavy armor have a quick lock capability in which they may quickly locate and fire 3 main tank rounds towards the location of a hard lock sighting system (such as the TOW system). The Marine Corps is keeping the TOW around to utilize in their CAAT platoons. But their dependency on the Javelin can’t be over stated; especially with no more Marine tankers.
* in us arsenal
That is likely bunk, given that Russia has been heavily investing in IR jammers and the like.
Alternate title: *Javelin: The Ultimate Tactical Camping Weapon*
Yeah javelins are definitely the most effect infantry based antitank weapon. 94% kill rate in the war in ukraine.
This is truly a gamechanger. The Javelin is going to make main battle tanks obsolete the way muskets wielded by foot soldiers readily defeated heavily armored mounted knights and made them obsolete. I don't see how tanks aren't just rendered obsolete at this point on account of this weapon.
they have said that since the 40s dude, if you don't have a effective armoured bunker that can move how do you advance on less then peer nations without having infantry shredded by mg fire we learned this in ww1 and its even worse now. the israliesinvented the thophy system to take out projectiels before they hit the tank as far as I'm aware its been fairly effective against even guided ordinace.
No this makes the Soviet Style Tanks obsolete as they've arguably been proven to be since Operation Desert Storm, I suspect a big reason why the US hasn't put APS modules on their Abrams to any significant extent is they wanted one that can deal with high angle top attack missiles like the Javelin.
@@cnlbenmc to be fair they are out dated by a gen or two. But the modern first world tank is a decent if not mandatory tool for military powers.
I was impressed most with the IR sight resolution. its glorious
The Australian DFSW platoon you have shown in this video are from the 6th Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment. "Hunter Killers"
So, does this video have Ukrainian subtitles?
Night sight is 4x and 12x with an e- zoom of 2x
The seeker of the missle is 9x
I was a 27E 20 years ago. I repaired these as well as the TOW and dragon missile systems. The dragons were getting phased out, but some special operators were still using them. The Javelins are super easy to work on. Take out a few screws, pull up on the handles and it comes apart. Easy to swap out bad parts. Putting it back together, you had to make sure the pins were aligned and it would seat itself when let go. If it didn't, you'd have to pull it back out and try again. If you forced it, you'd break/bend all the gold pins rendering the system a paperweight. Yea, we had a guy do that.
Cost per missile is pretty terrible. These are being mass produced, the suppliers must be making a fortune.
25 30k for a missile, still much cheaper than a T90.
The CLU is the expensive part
That thumbnail... I am struggling between saying “keep being who you are” and “it’s awesome”
I guess seeing it every so often is refreshing, but I’d like to see previous, more formal thumbnails for some reason.
In a world where the thumbnail and title are the biggest contributing factors to people clicking on the video and doing well, making it more eye catching and less formal is worth it so people watch the parts I put more research and work into.
@@BattleOrder aww... alright. Ate last your content is very informative and professional :)
Ukraine fucking goes on a killing spree with these bad boys
Stingers is to Afghanistan. Javelins is to Ukraine.
Lots of manpads In Ukraine as well as stingers.
Lots of Javelin used in Afghanistan!
Love these new style videos ! Keep it up 🤙🏻
Glad you like them!
The patron saint of Ukraine
The actual range with the new lightweight clu is 3000 meters and fired from crows 153 is 4750 meters thats official dod and raytheon literature.
Thumbnail is immaculate
Great video, easy to understand and informative as always. By the way, do you intend to, in the future, make videos about the mechanised/armoured forces of EU countries, like you did with Sweden?
Me and the bois watching this and later hunt down some tanks in Eastern Europe
Awesome video, very informative!
Best breakdown of weapon on TH-cam. Only weakness seems cost. Only channel review of tactical use. New subscriber
The US has delivered additional 17,000 anti tank weapons and 2,000 stingers to Ukraine just in the past several days. Compare that to what they delivered in the months before the invasion it's absolutely phenomenal. I gotta recheck because I thought the 17,000 were all javelins but now not so sure.
Saint Javelin-Ukraine
Launching a house? We talking a teaxas house or a Maryland house?
Might be more of a 2 bed house for Maryland
USD 100K? Is that today's price?
Well done for telling the adversaries everything about it
This video is bouts to hit a million views in the next few days
OMG! Are you a Broncos fan?
Nah it was just the first team I searched up whose stadium wasn't dirt or set up for a concert in the satellite imagery lol
Maybe a video on how patriot missile batteries are used and deployed?
I like the flying anti-tank house.
184 Russian tankers in Ukraine disliked this video.
St. Javelin
A meeting engagement between two modern battalions would be insane. Everyone has so much equipment. A WW2 soldier just had a bolt-action rifle with a wooden stock and some grenades, if he was lucky he would show up in a truck, and if he was really lucky he'd show up in a half-track. Now everyone is mechanized and brings tons of guided missiles and support weapons. It must cost 100x more to put someone into the line today compared to the 1940's.
Good timing, someone will make fortune from this video.
Defending Ukraine right now
I'm surprised you didn't mention anything about the potential use of FGM-148s against helicopters in direct attack mode.
that glowing eyes at the thumbnail tho deyuuum
Put six of those on a light Nebelwerfer-style chassis with multi-targeting CLU and one light manhandled system could destroy a tank formation in a single salvo or (if rocket motor plumes so require) in a rippled volley as also used during WWII for the same reason.
Even better with Spike but the US only pretends to evaluate most foreign systems. While big Army is financially averse to such things a multiple Javelin launcher (vs single Javs exposed on RWS taking long times to reload while exposing the missileer) could do serious damage to multiple targets. A ratcheted rotating rack (same principle as a revolver cylinder) would be easy for any fab shop to prototype and would allow one Javelin to always be in battery while other, empty tubes were replaced. A lightweight pallet, rack, skid or trailer could carry MANY Javelin giving SOCOM serious firepower easily airlifted to site. Parts would largely interchange with existing systems. Smaller diameter weapons could be fired from JavelinWefer tubes by use of "insert rails" Germany invented in WWII which could be made of plastic or composite today.
Mount a JavelinWerfer on any light vehicle (no recoil, no problem) or better, use NLOS ATGW, and the effect could be devastating. NLOS would be magnificent since JavelinWerfer could fire from the protection of reverse slopes rather than expose the gunner. Another advantage is JavelinWerfer could be sited away from personnel so when killed by enemy fires (future combats won't just be one-sided constabulary operations) the crew live to operate other systems.
A JavelinWerfer could easily fit a 463L pallet along with spare missiles, tools, argon dewars for cooling, spare batteries and even a small genset if desired. Palletized and skid-mounted JavelinWerfer could be carried easily and placed or mounted anywhere.
Ukraine’s possession of Javelins is, IMO, the most potentially interesting right now, as they’re the most likely Javelin users to face off against modern or semi-modern tanks
Yeah just like the taliban had...
@@johndowe7003 Could you please explain what you mean?
@@preserveourpbfs7128 I actually mis-spoke they didn't get javalins the taliban had stinger missiles since the late 80s early 90s given to them by us gov to fight the Russians. They weren't javilans 😌
@@johndowe7003 Ahhh! That makes more sense. You’re spot on, the Mujahideen did a number of Soviet aircraft once they received stingers from us. Good think giving them weapons never came back to bite us, right?
@@preserveourpbfs7128 lol we've been giving guns to everyone. Why do.you think those guatamalans are getting free passes , cause all the shit we did during their civil war
Although the Javelin is expensive, so is most guided missile systems. Because of that, Javelin is more comparable to the TOW, Eryx, or Konkurs missile systems instead of the AT4, or RPG-7.
RPG-7 Missiles are worth about $200, compared to Javelin, about $80,000 per missile. Thats why they have a %97 percent success rate, and take out any armor from the Top.
I haven't seen the CROW-J yet. That is dope!
Yeah, the new Stryker platoons will have two of the .50 cal/CROW-J and the other two will have the 30 mm auto cannon with a M240 coax machinegun
This aged like fine wine
Congrats on the 1mn views