A Disney Villains Retrospective Part 5: Fantasia Villains
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- In this entry, we're looking at Chernabog and a few lesser-known baddies from Fantasia and Fantasia 2000. My apologies for my inevitable mispronunciation of at least one of the names of the composers.
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Fantasia Genesis Footage (NintendoComplete): • Fantasia (Genesis) Pla...
Epic Mickey 2 (IosonoOtakuman): • Epic Mickey 2 (ITA)- P...
Kingdom Hearts (Boss Fight Database): • Kingdom Hearts: Cherna...
Kingdom Hearts 3D Dream Drop Distance (Boss Fight Database): • Dream Drop Distance: C...
Dreams Come True (WDW News Today): • Disney Dreams Come Tru...
Sorcerers of the Magic Kingdom (Zannaland): • Sorcerers of the Magic...
Cinderella Castle Mystery Tour (RobFuz): • Cinderella Castle Myst...
Fantasmic at WDW (ReadySetLoL): • Fantasmic! Complete Sh...
Once Upon a Dream Parade (Tijger1234567): • Disneyland Paris: Once...
World of Color Villainous (Theme Park Insider): • World of Color Villain...
A Night on Bald Mountain is the most metal thing Disney has ever animated.
That and Gargoyles
And Hellfire from Huchback of Notre Dame.
I know, it always terrified the shit out of me as a kid, but now I love it
Two words; 'Black Cauldron'. (but yeah, he totally rocks.) =)
Gods I cannot wait for him to cover Frollo.
I always thought the real villains of Fantasia 2000 were the celebrity hosts
Yeah, watching them now I always wince a bit. Except for Angela Lansbury, who is perfectly classy, and maybe James Earl Jones.
No, absolutely not! Besides I personally liked those celebrity hosts.
@@lisanettles2731 i saw no problem with them except for the ones that hosted the sorcers apprentice. that was bad
No the true villian is James Levine (the conductor). He was a terrible person in real life so I think the same holds here.
@@jennamedlyn 👀 whats the tea
With regards to Kingdom Hearts, I've read that Chernabog was originally supposed to be the final boss and the origin of the Heartless. The original plan for his battle apparently involved Sora, Donald and Goofy climbing up Bald Mountain to fight him
That would have been AMAZING!
Why is that making me think of a hobbits climbing Mount Doom scenario? XD
@@MrTristy22 Now I'm imagining Goofy going "Gawrsh, I can't carry it for you, Sora, but I can carry you. Hyuck"
@@marktrigg467 Funny since in the english dub of the first game Sean Astin voiced Hercules.
For me, Chernabog is the king/god of all Disney villains. If Maleficent is the mistress of all evil, then Chernabog is the master of all evil.
Nah I think of the horned King is the master of all evil 😈
Honestly, in everything that uses Disney in a meta context, if Maleficent isn’t the final boss, it’s almost certainly Chernabog. You can argue about which one is more powerful, though I’d argue that it’s Chernabog...with Maleficent as a very narrow runner-up with extra consolation for being the more proactive of the two.
@@ThatRandomEncounterGuy chernabog is more like cuthulu or the devil a force of nature type threat, while Magnificat is more of a human social threat. one is unbeatable the other is not.
“Love your work.”
And Bill Cipher is the King of Nightmares and Insanity
Fantasia: the world’s first AMV.
Wait, those were monks? Ever since I was a little kid I thought those were the townsfolk getting outta there and as far away as possible from the giant devil and his army of ghosts and monsters.
Maybe the spirits that Chernabog manipulates are an example of how impure we all are.
Even though he's not a villain, Yen Sid used to scare me when I was a child. He looked huge and sinister back then.
Even then I knew he wasn't a bad guy, but he scared me as much or more than Chernobog.
As for Dumbo and Bambi, I don't think they had villains. They had antagonistic characters.
Bambi might be terrified of Man, but all the man is doing is hunting, possibly even to feed his family. Disney did a great job of making him a foreboding character, and in the original novel, Man and his dogs are terrifying the way the animals perceive them and the scene with the hare and Bambi's aunt (I believe) traumatized me.
Ronno is much more of a villain like character, and even then he's just doing what male deer do for the most part.
In Dumbo, the female elephants are jerks, but I think the Ring Master, clowns, and audience are unknowing villains, just not what I would classify as a Disney Villain.
The female elephants are more of a villain than the circus staff ,they marginalised and made fun him because he was different and declared he was not an elephant,while the ringmaster only wanted his circus to do well,he whipped Mrs Dumbo,but she went crazy against people,and a public of mostly children,he never seem to take pleasure in any of his actions. The clowns may be more into it but it is not stated if that is simply part of their job,they are performers after all,even though they seems too peppy about it.
@@junichiroyamashita Yeah, those female elephants really ticked me off. But I wonder if Mrs. Jumbo would have been the same as anyone of them if Dumbo hadn't been her child?
Either way, "Baby Mine" is still one of the most heartbreaking Disney moments, so I feel like even if she was the same as the others, Dumbo changed her.
Saint Aqua
At one point, Yen Sid was originally going to actually be a villain.
It's that disappointed fury look.....
Like the one your parents might give to indicate your grounded big time.
7:19 Maybe the Horned King is one of Chernabog’s minions?
Now that's a Film Theory
Interestingly, some of Chernabog's supernatural minions/captives also appeared in the House of Mouse. In one episode where Hades was the sole guest remaining during a withering heatwave, Mickey convinced Hades to stay on by unleashing the various spirits, thus impressing the god of the underworld.
Seriously, it just shows how Chernagbog needs to be used more in Disney property in my opinion.
Disney would never 😂
Edit: Scratch that, I didn't get to the part discussing his appearances in some materials.
@@aurea.Eh he got a cameo in once upon a studio
@@merfblaster Ah, good for him
Fantasia is one of those movies I will never forget. Great music set to awesome visuals. Like many, the Sorcerers Apprentice is very memorable (and one of my favorites), but Night on Bald Mountain is so big and larger than life, I could hear the song in my head the whole video.
You're not the only one who felt disturbed by Hans Christian Andersen's original works, especially The Little Mermaid (which I'm eager to see it). Ursula and her human alter ego: Vanessa are based on the sea witch and the thieving princess respectively and both of them are neutral characters rather backstabbing baddies like their counterparts. Just like the Tin Soldier and the Ballerina, the little mermaid never got her prince and she died as a sea foam unlike Ariel, who has a happy ending. Despite she got a soul and went to heaven, but it's a cruel treatment for the poor girl, especially her tongue got cut off and felt a terrible pain in her new feet like she's walking on knives. I totally agree with Mary Poppins' author P. L. Travers, the ending is more like a blackmail for children so they can respect their elders during the Victorian era since the mermaid will earn an immortal soul and go to Heaven for 300. If the children are good and obedient, they will shorten her sentence. If not, they will make it longer. Not just I found Andersen a sad and pathetic doormat as a person, but he was also a sadistic jerk.
Yay! I am so glad to see you continuing these villain retrospectives. They are very informative I so enjoy watching them. I look forward to the next update.
I absolutely love Night on Bald Mountain! It’s very stunning and visually entertaining! Great job on this entry. A live action version of this story could be very cool! I agree with you that the Jungle Book remake is the best remake so far. The others are quite disappointing!
Which one the 1994 version or the 2016 version?
would've loved to see a fantasia ride/see the spring sprite(favorite design in disney.:3) & firebird be in kingdom hearts.(actually remember hearing chernabog was originally going to be the origin of all darkness & the disney villains in the series which i would love to see be brought back/be changed to the firebird with the spring sprite being the source of all light.)
I can answer the question at
7:36 to 7:39
That is actually a multi layered answer as well as show how sanitized from death we have been since the 1950s. Before the 1950s, when modern medicine matured and really began whipping out diseases left and right. Many people before this had routine run ins with death.
In fact the modern living room, is actually a joke on the old Parlor. Which is where, before funeral homes, people would actually hold the viewing of the dead before taking them to church for one last service before putting them in the ground. Plus before the 1950s, after so many years (an when the body was supposedly decayed enough) they would reuse the funeral plot and bury someone knew there. Their is also the fact that many people just didn't want to see their dead loved ones as bad people. So thus why they put crosses up to show they are christian. However, the cold fact is, this would not stop sinners from being dragged from their graves and taken to see satan.
So all those souls in the video are souls of countless damned from centuries of waiting in their graves. This also shows that the town itself is VERY old. For a new town would not have that many dammed people, even if they were living and dead.
So thus in quick sum, town is very old and people don't want to see their dead loved ones in a bad light. But that doesn't change the fact they were sinners in life.
TheWinged Hussar
Also, notice that the graves the souls emerge from are NOT marked with crosses, merely adjacent to crosses.
@@austinreed7343 That is another good point to. Also the hangmen noose images and ghost can easily represent how those souls died. Most likely murderers as well.
TheWinged Hussar
Same with the moat full of warriors. Some of them even appear to have dragged their horses to the dark side with them. Some even look more reptilian than human, even before Chernabog makes them into imps. Is it possible the town’s sapient population isn’t exclusively human?
I like the idea of this town being in D&D’s Forgotten Realms, which would explain the souls of reptilian sapients being included.
I'm a bit of a soccer for a more conventional happy ending as well. It's for this reason that I prefer the Disney version of the Little Mermaid over Hans Christian Anderson's original story. None of the bitter, only the sweet.
I agree.
This is why I find a lot of otherwise good video games to be strangely cruel to the love interest characters, like Megaman X4 and the Danganronpa series.
@@austinreed7343 I know what you mean.
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Iris’s case comes off as especially cruel; her body was intact and yet it took over 2 decades to get a sign she might be returning to the series. And yet we see villains like Sigma get blown to smithereens and return (usually mindless now, and they never come back after their second defeat except for Sigma and Vile, but still). Not to mention what she goes through before this.
@@austinreed7343 While I personally like Sigma and thinking makes for an excellent villain that helps the series keep moving forward, I can definitely see your point about Iris.
She only had two games tops before Capcom decided to kill her off. I'm pretty sure one of them was meant to be a prologue.
She was also put in a very tough position. Being forced to choose between her brother and the man she loved.
Check, all situation with Replaforce could have been avoided if everyone had just sat down and talked with each other like civilized robots rather than jump to conclusions.
But instead everybody, and I mean everybody, got on their high horse and played right into Sigma's hands.
Sadly, that seems to be a problem we face all too frequently in the real world nowadays.
I absolutely love these videos, but I wanted to note that going forward you should absolutely mention the awesome Disney Villainous board game when applicable, since you mention video game and park appearances. You already missed Pete and Evil Queen, but there are 13 more upcoming villains represented in this amazing tabletop experience, and they are likely working on more expansions
Yeah, in Once Upon a Time, Chernabog would have been an amazing villain, but I think due to budget as you can see a lot of the show’s cgi is not great
It's funny how 2/3 of the video is dedicated to Chernabog and then the Fantasia 2000 villains get to share 8 minutes.
It's true, haha. I ended up not having as much to say about the other two as I thought I would.
The thing I think I like most about Fantasia is that there's one sequence of animated swoops (for lack of a better term) which was DIRECTLY stolen from an experimental animator who animated piles of salt or sand or something on a plain black background, usually in silence. There's one piece of his that actually used music, but for the most part it was just experimental abstract animations. Then he moved onto color and experimenting with that. The point is, from an animation student perspective, it's impressive and respectable, but I freaking hated them. Especially the color ones where he just experimented with shapes growing and shrinking in eerie silence. I couldn't remember where this happens in the movie or what the name of the animator was, as it was years ago. I just like that Disney basically stuck it to the guy.
I've heard early on Czernabog was supposed to be the main villain of Kingdom Hearts 1 instead of their Ansem OC. Would make sense - the heartless look like they could be Czernabog's minions and he's still a boss fight in the game, just with no real narrative reason for him to be there.
I'm a simple person; I see Fantasia 2000, I click play.
Cherabog is one of my favorite Funko Pops I own.
21:45 The Fire Bird is not exactly evil, but according to slavic folklore it brings misfortune to anyone who catchs it, probably to represent the dangers of greed.
Censorship in the 1940’s basically didn’t exist. In fact it was the opposite, showing healthy couples sleeping in the same bed was thought as too naughty so they weren’t allowed to show that
Chernabog great villain boss fight in Kingdom Hearts
The Fantasia movies are interesting in terms of their villains because they, or at least the first one, tend not to be about stories in a traditional sense but rather putting images to classical music. That's why they, rather again the first one, don't have "characters" and even when they did, stuff just happens. Even when certain characters are doing something bad, it's hard to tell if they're being villainous given the context. The brooms Mickey brings to life in The Sorcerer's Apprentice are just doing what Mickey magically instructed them to do, he just doesn't know how to make them stop, T-Rex in The Rite of Spring is a literal animal attacking other dinosaurs for food, Zeus in The Pastoral Symphony just pops in out of nowhere and just acts like a jerk until he gets bored (as he does), and Ben Ali Gator and his troop of alligators... well, it's hard to tell what they're intentions are, since they mostly just dance with Hyacinth Hippo and her servants. The only outright villainous character is Chernabog, and that's only because he was outright called (or at least alluded to be) the Devil, though to be fair he does torment a bunch of demons and ghosts during his time on-screen. Even though he does very little, I love the idea that he's the epitome of evil in the "Disney universe", even above Maleficent. He's perfect final boss material, which is why it was a good decision to have Sora fight him in Kingdom Hearts, right before fighting the game's main antagonist Ansem (or Xehanort's Heartless who calls himself Ansem, but we didn't know that in the first game so whatever).
I love how bold and experimental Fantasia was, and while I do like Fantasia 2000 it's hard to say that it truly lives up to the original movie; while none of the segments are bad, it feels a bit... shall we say, watered down, compared to the original. As I alluded to at the start, there were almost no abstract pieces in Fantasia 2000, all of the segments had some kind of story to them, even if it was minuscule. As far as "villains" go, Symphony No. 5 had those triangle bat creatures that were terrorizing the other abstract shapes, Rhapsody in Blue had... well, not so much villains, but characters who weren't all that nice or good, like that one woman who kept bossing her husband around or that one strict nanny or the construction worker's boss. None of these were necessarily "bad" people, though, so whether you'd count them as villains is debatable. The Steadfast Tin Soldier, set to Piano Concerto No. 2, Allegro, Opus 102, had the Jack-in-the-Box, which is actually a boosted role compared to the original Hans Christian Anderson story where he showed up once and isn't really referenced or alluded to again (if I recall correctly). The Carnival of Animals Finale had those flamingos who kept trying to keep that one flamingo with the yo-yo from having fun... which I guess is antagonistic, so... sure. Lastly there's the Firebird from the Firebird Suite, and while I'm not fully familiar with the original Firebird, I have read that it was originally a helpful spirit that assists a prince named Ivan defeat an evil sorcerer named Kashchei. Here, the Firebird is a creature of pure destruction, and honestly, the visuals on display and the intensity of the Firebird itself really does remind me of Chernabog and Night on Bald Mountain; Disney's version of the Firebird really is a good compliment to Chernabog in that regard. In fact, much like Chernabog, I'd say the Firebird would make a good video game boss, perhaps in Kingdom Hearts sometime? Really would love to see Disney reference that thing again sometime.
Fun Fact Chrenabog is the only character from the Fantasia movies to speak ( Not counting MIckey , Donald and Daisy.) in House of Mouse
In genereal I'd imagine making a villain in a Package film would be hard the only times I can see it work if they are 2 segments like with Fun and Fancy , and Ichabod and Mr Toad or if it was a Horror Package film
I think there are 2 kinds of evils in disney movies. Evil people, and evil incarnate. I think the distinguishing factor would have to be, does x have a personal motivation to do something.
For that reason, I think Chernabog Maleficent and the Hroned King are the only evil incarnate.
But maleficent poses an interesting conflict, she is a person with a motivation but her motivation is spite and sadism, which can come from anywhere.
Ah .. I"ve been doing some chores so I could have missed whether or not you mentioned/knew about Sidney GLass in Once Upon a Time. I was moving from room to room when you talked about the Evil Queen's Magic Mirror. So ... if you didn't mention Sidney Glass, yeah. The mirror is a full-fledged if sorely underused/eventually forgotten character. I would definitely recommend you check out the whole thing if you can. I love every single season (*White lie because I love so many episodes even in the two bad seasons*)
Tin soldier and Firebird have always been my favourite shorts 😁
These videos are so amazing
Never thought I could end up in one of your videos! 😆 (10:39)
I don't know about pleasure the Fire Bird seems to be acting more on aggression or hatred for the life given by the nymph, he doesn't smile or anything, all I observe is him roaring when disturbed and awoken and then lunging at her trying to snuff out that life force and burning the landscape.
Yes its villainous but not done out of pleasure, I think its more akin to an angry territorial animal.
Right it only strikes after he was awakened.
18:50 It's like the ending of Robots.
I think I still have the VHS somewhere in my parents attic. I never felt fear for Chern.. I was impressed by his powers and actually loved to see the spirits being taken to his mountain. I dont remember much else of the movie honestly.
What would a "Bob Iger and Mickey" short be like?
Interesting fact Fantasia is the third My Little Pony disney chronicles story with 2 chapters coming soon in the story Twilight Sparkle and the gang go through different music books to enter the worlds in the songs to find the missing music sheets if you want to know more the story is available at Fimfiction.com Fanfiction.com and Wattpad.com
Thanks for another great video. I was wondering if you are considering doing a retrospective on Jim Henson's The storyteller. It was recently added to Amazon prime if you need somewhere to stream it.
Question: how many of you have seen the super Mario bros super show
Follow up question: what would you say if Disney made a Fantasia version of the super Mario bros super show with Chernabog taking on different costumes just like king koopa
Fantasia 2000 is underrated, and the firebird is a classic villain as much as Chernobog. Hell, maybe more so because he actually does stuff like trying to murder the embodiment of life.
When we get to "The Rescuers", you will be discussing both villains from both movies - Madame Medusa and Percival McLeach (and possibly from scrapped ideas)
You ever notice that the Balrog from The Lord of the Rings looks like a fusion of Chernabog and the Firebird from both Fantasias? I did mention in the comments 2 years ago that the Firebird was very reminiscent of Tolkien's imagery of how the Balrog emerged from Khazad-dum because the Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep, but here's a funny little parallel between the two: The Balrog emerged in the year 1981 of the Third Age. What year did Mount St. Helens erupt, which inspired the design of the Firebird in Fantasia 2000? 1981.
Chernabog does not just take his minions but he also takes the “sinful” parts of the soul in the graveyard not the entire soul
Welcome to the Flower Kingdom the Fantasia characters were invited by the benevolent Prince Florian but Chernabog Zeus the Tyrannosaurus and the magic brooms had other plans with just a simple touch of the mysterious Wonder Flower Chernabog merged with Prince Florian's castle with Chernabog's new found power chaos spread across the land now it's up to the Fantasia characters to team up with Mario and company to stop Chernabog and the others
I highly doubt, the claim that they took a random animators movements and used that. It's more likely they made that claim and excuse so they didn't need to pay him. As someone who has watched Lugosi's movies, he's a master at hand movements and body movements, you can clearly see them in the character. Nope it was obvious disney played dirty to save money. Besides who's to say the second guy coming in didn't just have to copy the similar movements already recorded. Making the first move and first interpretation of how it would be would be the hard work because you need to figure out the movements of the sequence. To think a random animator just comes in and gets it right and perfect on the first try really doesn't make a lot of sense.
The T rex in the dino section is not a T rex
It has 3 fingers and long arms a t rex actually has short arms and 2 it's more resembles a Allosaurus
I should probably mention that some of the shadows from The Princess and the Frog look like Chernabog.
Actually in the Fantasia video game you end the Bald Mountain level in his hand.
He's used as the final scenery.
Cool series so far, when you do dumbo will you also be talking about the pink elephants?
Do those count as villains? They’re just hallucinations
@@fattuscattus2200 I wonder if he’ll talk about the Heffalumps and Woozles
Is anyone in Dumbo REALLY a villain? I mean, most of the antagonistic people seem to be jerkasses, and while the Pink Elephants are creepy... they are hallucinations, so they don't exist. It's like calling those scary trees in Snow White villains.
They're going to get a mention, although I probably won't spend too much time on them.
@@ArendAlphaEagle The next entry will be a bit of an odd one, since the "villains" in Dumbo and Bambi are more ambiguous. The Ringmaster in recent years has been regarded by Disney as a proper villain, so I'll certainly be looking at that.
Did Chernabog appear in Disney Comics? Or not?
Chernabog in once upon a time. is an evil eater and say he grows stronger the more hes eat evil. the villains realized that was a real dumb idea to let him run free, than both heroes and villains team up to stop him.
I think its that the dead want to return to earth but the land of the living forbid it. Like in Ghostbuaters.
I think the fire bird and spring sprite is we’re tefiti and teka from Moana are inspired from
Apparently chernabog was supposed to be the main villain of kingdom hearts 1 originally
Possible chance for Bambi's mum, some theories is that Gaston is the one who fucked her over, Gaston decorates with dead deers and we all know hunters travel.
Hey look it’s rodan’s uncle
I’m happy they changed the ending of the Tin Solider . Was never a big fan of the Anderson stories , they were too damned depressing. I’d rather go the Roland Daul or the Neil Gaiman approach . Put your characters though Hell but always have a happy ending .
In spite of all your points don't think I can consider the firebird a villain he just a force of nature.
19:08 is this a heathers reference?
The way I see it, all the other villains throughout the Disney franchise are acting out Chernabog's will if he truly is Disney's devil.
Wronging our heroes and trying to ruin their lives.
There are also some naked fairies (albeit with very small breasts and rail-thin bodies that are hardly erotic) in the "Nutcracker Suite" segment of FANTASIA. I suppose the censors gave both them and the harpies a pass because they were animated, but also because they were not human. Apparently, it was all right to show a naked person in a 1930s or '40s film if that character were a child, animated, and/or not a real person even within the fictional continuity. CITIZEN KANE, which was released one year after FANTASIA, includes a scene showing (in the background) the nude Greco-Roman statues in Charles Kane's art collection. We see full nudity rendered in marble, including pubic hair.
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I personally think the spirits are earthbound,…They haunt they areas were they died
Actually, it's probably Demonic Spirits being called.
As according to Christianity, the only real spiritual beings are God, Human Souls, and Angels (including fallen angels, Aka demons).
And unless you're being contacted by Jesus Christ himself, or a Angel sent by God....
_ANY_ Spiritual being encountered is by definition Demonic.
Because any Human Souls, are not present or active on Earth, unless you consider Alive Humans.
Souls immediately go to either judgment, or God's side.
I have never heard of Chernabog until now
And I've seen Fantasia
I hate to correct you, BUT the next true Disney villain is Lady Tremaine. The Ringmaster and Man are not Disney Villains for two reasons. 1) The Ringmaster was mean, but never was truly evil. In the remake, the Ringmaster got some redemption. 2) Calling Man a Disney Villain in Bambi is just being racist. Man is never truly good or evil. The movie just painted the image of Man to look like that We are the villains.
Look, just explaining why there are no villains in Dumbo and Bambi will be a headache. Just skip right to Cinderella and cover Lady Tremaine.
Hes not going to skip all the way to Lady Termine, as he stated that some characters will be filled with grey areas and be ambitious such as Monsto the whale in the last video , calling the Ringmaster a villain is wrong I'll give you that as Dumbo has no real villains mostly just jerks and bullies . Bambi: Man is evil he's suggested to be a poacher as him going after a still young Bambi in Bambi 2 certainly is more fishy. Also where do you get racist being a word to describe how Man is treated we never see his skin color , also don't forget Ronno.
And theres still other villains between Bambi and Cinderella, The Wolf, Lampjaw, Willie giant, Winsky and Headless Horseman .
You're right and wrong at the same time. True I had skipped over a few villains. I didn't watch all disney movies, but still MAN IS NOT A VILLAIN!!!!!!
Like I had stated, Man is not good or evil.
It was the 40's. This stuff won't fly by today's standards, and I don't count most of the direct-to-DVD movies that DisneyToon Studios made as actual canon. Besides, Disney always try to make people forget about movies, shorts, games, and TV shows that either didn't work or probably shouldn't have been made.
By the way, I don't what movies or shorts you have watched but there is no Disney character named Winsky but like I said, Lady Tremaine is the next TRUE Disney villain, right after Willie the Giant and the Headless Horseman.
Sorry, I forgot about Lumpjaw.
@@dakotarussell1807 If not Man , Ronno who did appear in the first film and Winsky was the leader of the Weasels in the Mr Toad segment
@@dakotarussell1807 keep in mind COLINLOOKBACK said some films will have a grey area , as the ONLY films i think he might skip is Saldous Amigos and Melody Time .
There are people who can't watch Fantasia because it bores them. To that I kindly feel bad that you have no happiness or soul.
19:08 that's called not being a sociopath
20:37 plants directly disprove that, other than like cell or tissue death
20:36: like in “Puss in Boots: the Last Wish”, where Death is portrayed as a Wolf.
Something always bugged me about the tin soldier story: what is the ballerina doing in a young boy's room? She's not exactly a boy's toy....in fact, she's not really a toy at all.
I saw some people pointing out that Chernabog may be the root of all dark magic powers in Disney. He maybe the one behind Queen Grimhilde's powerful magic and the Maleficient's Master. For me, that is canon.
That seems like the best explanation
Also probably the source of power that turns the boys into asses in Pinocchio.
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In pinoccio, the main bad guy says to the two cats to meet at the crossroads at the midnight. In folklore that is reference to make a deal with a devil
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yup. Already heard it in this guys Pinocchio vid.
Sorry.
@@kindkindred one of them was a fox
Fantasia featured demons, nudity, and evolution. I cannot imagine it being made and released any other time.
Especially since most popular evolutionists now seem convinced that evolution conflicts with the biblical narrative.
Now that I think about it, there's a few similarities between the Jack-In-The-Box and Frollo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame-both kind of have similar facial features/structures, both disrespect women, and both meet a fiery demise.
Yup I thought it was frollo demon clown thing at first 😝
Boy looking at Disney's Golden Age (Snow White to Bambi) you can really see Walt Disney really wanting to push the envelope and be taken seriously as a movie maker and have animation be a credible art form for all ages. I miss Disney when it had ambition instead of being a giant evil monopoly that just churns out garbage while buying up the competition and slapping mickey ears on it.
I wonder how Walt would feel about what his company has become?
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Knowing what we do know about him, he would likely be impressed with all the technological achievements they have, but would probably be unimpressed with how increasingly conservative, safe, and unambitious they’ve become. He would definitely disapprove of their recent live-action remakes and most of the direct-to-DVD films. But given that he didn't live to see television evolve after his passing, I'm not sure how he would feel about their TV shows. Though I would bet he would be impressed with Pixar.
I agree. Snow White, Pinnochio, Fantasia, and Bambi truly are some of the greatest pieces of animation art ever made. I really wish I could make a video making a case about this. In my opinion, few animated movies made since have captured the sheer artistry those movies represent. World War 2 really got in the way and Disney started to lose interest in animation and wanted to focus more on theme parks.
i love that Chernabog has these huge wings. they really add to his imposing presence and they look nearly plausible to carry his size.
7:23 You see, the Horned King auditioned for the role of Chernabog, but he was still a new actor, and Walt wasn't sure he had enough experience to take the lead, so he cast the Horned King in a smaller role as the ghostly horseman. :)
In addition, after their films, the worst for the villains is yet to come, they get persecuted in The Queen of Hearts' courtroom. And we know how those trials always end, the unbirthday celebrations and a cat scaring a stupid dormouse, with comical results
I really think that the life and death segment inspired Moana's "villain" in some way
In Moana, Te Fiti/Te Ka is essentially the Spring Spirit and the Firebird fused into one character, so you might be right
Is it me or does the fire bird have the coolest creature design ever.
Your not alone! I think it has the most coolest design than any other Disney villain!
You’d think a Fantasia themed ride at Disney World would be a no brainer. I feel like it be an instant favorite.
Imagine going through each story line with all that great music paying. Especially the ‘right of spring’ scene.
Fitting since the original and new one turns a year older this year. Fantasia is 80 and Fantasia 2000 is 20. And it's the first of your list that has the villain based of mythology.
Headcanon time: I like to think Chernabog is Maleficent’s mentor. She harbours all the powers of Hell after all and her wardrobe mirrors Chernabog quite a bit, down to them both having horns. This is the hill I’ll die on.
The Firebird has a resemblance to Rodan from Godzilla: King of the Monsters.
Damn, these videos are not coming out fast enough! I NEED MORE!!!
(In actuality; don't rush them. Take your time to make them as good as they can get. I'm loving them so far!)
I would pay actual money for Disney to make a Chernabog animatronic in a ride! Make it the next Yeti but this timenonenthat works!
Man it would be really awesome if Disney made a 3rd Fantasia......
Just wanted to say that I'm really liking this series. I'm waiting eagerly for the Renaissance in special :)
So happy to see Fantasia 2000 represented. The firebird sequence was honestly the most traumatic childhood movie memory I can think of. I often think of that being quite silly, but damn the sheer scale and intensity of the rampage coupled with the music and some design choices on the bird itself. It's definately intense. Here's to hoping the firebird gets more recognition; after all Fantasia 2000 is only 21 years old, nostalgia-ish revivals could await.
I invited my brother to see that movie on Disney + and he said that Rodan appeared.
I know this comment is 2 years old, but I just has to say that I had the same experience. It probably didn't help that I saw it in IMAX (real 3 story tall screen IMAX, not the stuff they have in every movie theater now). My only concrete memory of that viewing experience was being scared shitless by the firebird. It's interesting to me that the idea came from Mt. St. Healans, because I live western Washington, where it's located. Looking at the final shot of the mountain in the movie, it definitely has the iconic 'empty bowl' look the mountain has now. I wonder if my dad (who has a very interesting story about watching the eruption from a hill, and then having to run for his life because he was being pelted with boiling balls of mud) noticed it at the time.
What I like about the Firebird in Fantasia 2000 is that it's very reminiscent of the Balrog from The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001), even though it appeared two years prior, it still has that kind of Tolkien-like imagery. Even the way the Firebird arises parallels the Balrog. Saruman himself says to Gandalf, "The Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness of Khazad-dum: Shadow and flame." The Nature spirit delved too deep into the mountain and awoke the Firebird that seemed to embody shadow and flame. George R.R. Martin himself paralleled that with the Doom of Valyria in his series A Song of Ice and Fire.
The Town from Bald Mountain looks like the town from Pinocchio. Coincidence? Nice video series by the way.
When I was a kid, the "Night on Bald Mountain" segment always scared me. So much that once "Dance of the Hours" was over, I ended the tape. And yes, Bald Mountain was scarier than the T-Rex scene in "Rite of Spring."
Same! If the whole family was watching it, I'd get anxious as hell towards the end of Dance Of The Hours. And when it would end, I'd get up and leave the room. Haha
I was like that too until I beat him in Kingdom Hearts and I remember screaming at the top of my lungs when I did. I also remember how freaked out and scared my sister and I were when we both heard that familiar melody. Good times.
The bit about the influence of Christianity making Chern'bog evil, or revealing that his nature was actually evil....
Reminds me of how Samhain was deliberately conflated with the Catholic All Hallows Eve, which was orginally just the Eve before a Week Long Catholic holiday celebration of all the Hallowed saints both known and unknown. Kinda like Christmas Eve or New Year's Eve might be considered as the Eve before the Christmas/New Years holiday's, in today's culture.
As I understand it, the Celts were literally unknown figures to Scholar's, given that their entire culture essentially converted inside of a generation of encountering Christianity.
So unknown were they, that a certain Educated person of high status could claim that Samhain was a Fall celebration practice for the Celts, which Christianity somehow co-opted.... Without anyone who could be considered enough of an expert to gainsay his claims.
Supposedly, he was rather anti-Christian in general. And was reportedly searching for ways to discredit Christianity.
As for All Hallows Week/ All Hallows Eve/ Halloween/ all Saint's day(week)...
It was orginally a Spring day, given over to unknown Saints, when the papacy orginally instituted the holiday during the first millennium. Four Centuries later, it was a week long celebration that was so popular for pilgrims, that Rome had it moved to after the Fall Harvest, in order to Feed all the Pilgrims visiting Rome for the occasion.
I agree that the brooms aren't evil, they're magic that if left unchecked will infinitely continue working until the end of time since they're unnaturally brought to life with one purpose, to gather water.
I love the way chernabog sheepishly looks around when he hears the first church bell
@FrankieNolan perhaps foreshadowing his later characterizations
Actually, from what I've read, the Night on Bald Mountain live-action movie has been scrapped. It was supposed to have a similar approach to Maleficent
Chernabog does kind of appear in the Fantasia game. At the very end of his stage, you arrive at what appears to be his hand, to end the level. I suspect it may have simply been a situation where he was just too big to feasibly appear onscreen.
And yes, that game was absolutely awful. Had it as a kid. Was such a disappointment after how great Castle Of Illusion was.
I saw two non Disney versions of the Jack in the Box.
1) From the preschool aimed show Sondra the Fairy Tale Detective where he resembles an actual Devil.
2) The Hallmark adaptation where he resmebled a jester and was voiced by Tim Curry making him sound like Pennywise the Dancing Clown.
One of Chernabog's minions can also be seen in "Make Mine Music" in the beginning of the "Willie the Whale" story.
When I was a kid, and before my family and I moved in with my grandmother, my mom would sometimes take me to my grandmother's place so she could babysit me for a bit. My grandmother has Fantasia on VHS. We would always somehow watch the entire thing from beginning to end. I've always loved Beethovens VI (Unicorns, Pegasi, Centaurs, Zeus, etc.), Rite of Spring (Dinosaurs), and Night On Bald Mountain. But when my little brother was old enough after my family moved in with my grandmother, Night On Bald Mountain always scared him. It was the same story for my sister for some time before she became fascinated with Night on Bald Mountain (She even has a Chernabog T-Shirt). But I haven't been able to watch Night On Bald Mountain all the way through for a long time, and honestly, I miss it. I don't know if my little brother will be willing to watch it even though he's 16 now.