Could the EU Kick Hungary Out Over LGBTQ+ Laws? - TLDR News
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Earlier in the month Hungary announced its new anti-LGBTQ+ laws and since then the kickback has been huge, with some in the EU even calling for the country to be removed. So in this video we'll explain the scandal, the new laws and if it really could leave the EU because of them.
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If only Britain knew it was this easy
We don't want to end up in...this position, best to leave slow.
i see what you did there 😆😆😆
Haha, good one!
You're underestimating how gay the British people are
This makes me wonder... Isn't that at least part of the reason for the TERF uprising?
Bring Hungary to its knees?
I don’t think Hungary is in to that
HAHAHAHA NICE ONE.
The Netherlands kneeled in the Puskás Stadion...
Considering the amount of porn coming out of the country I would say you are wrong
@@glasjanus they’re cowards because they don’t want to get on their knees for other men?
So you’re a “brave” boy then? 😂
😂😂😂
"Kicked out of Europe"
What do you think they're gonna do? Move the whole country to Asia?
We would be very happy if our government would go there and let us here :D
In a couple of hundred thousands of years it might happen. Who knows how the continents will move geologically.
I think Australia might be lonely.
in fact, Hungarians came from the Asian region to Europe, they have a language more related to Turkey than to the rest of Europe
*Dum Daaaaaa*
“My goal is to bring Hungary to its knees” that’s sounds like a war threat and I don’t know if I should be worried or not
well the NATO is about helping other allies if a country attacks them, so even if war breaks out, other countries should be on our side
@@yodagamer7744 It's somewhat complicated. NATO doesn't necessarily have a clause for members attacking each other, if I recall correctly.
@@OzixiThrill as far as i know it goes like this: if a nato country attacks a non nato country then the rest of nato would help the nato country, and the other way around, but if a nato country attacks another nato country then the one getting attacked is the one getting the help.
Edit: i wrote this really late and didn't notice the mistakes, sorry for the confusion, and i learned it in 6th so i might still be wrong so feel free to correct me
@@yodagamer7744?????????
@@yodagamer7744 the netherlands is in NATO
the thumbnail says "could hungary be kicked out of europe" i feel like it isn't moving continents any time soon
Belgium just picks up Hungary and throws it into Asia: GO BACK TO FIGHTING CHINA HUNS!
Ikr I don’t get that people in the uk say they aren’t part of Europe rather then the EU
@@mrtortoise3766 What you don't know about the 8th continent, The British Isles, Next you'll tell me New Zealand isn't a continent either! 😄
@@seanfinch7856 is every island a continent?
@@mrtortoise3766 Isn't it obvious?
You have to admit, they are doing a better job at leaving the EU then the UK
That's what happens when half the country votes one way but the leaders voted the other or are tepid as to not disturb their place in society. It was actually the most frustrating part about the UK leaving the EU, the media didn't help either but that's a given because it is largely controlled by liberal values at the expense of conservative ones (in other words, there is no balance in the coverage of the news on social or mainstream news).
@@anelbegic2780 I have no idea what planet you are living on but hope the view is nice there.
@@CarlTSpeak Hey, look at that. A commemter that has a grievence with what I said but doesn't tell me what the issue is. How neat.
Oh no, politics!!! I think there is going to be an argument in the replies...
Croissant
"We will become very, very angry with you, and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are."
- puppet Hans Blix, 2004
Letter sent haha.
Hungry is a small country they better chill
Vee haff our vays to make you do vat vee vant you to do
This whole thing should dispel any myths thay the EU is just an economic union.
I wish it was more than an economic union. We need to do something about orbán, or give LGBT people in Hungary refugee status and let us run the fuck away from this retarded country.
@@runakovacs4759 careful what you wish for. The EU know how to look nice and cuddly. That doesn't make them nice and cuddly.
@@willjames1712 They're better than being in a country that's puppeted by putin, and said puppet does his damnedest to ally with Erdogan and Xi Yianpig.
@@runakovacs4759 Orban is being clever by remaining friendly with Russia and China. Playing different sides is a sound foreign policy for a small country like Hungary. But no, you are wrong though, the most powerful influence is clearly Germany. Germany dominates the industrial supply chains in Hungary.
@@willjames1712 And yet, Hungary continues to torture its LGBT populace and steal academic independence.
No one is asking why US Gov has access to Hungary's Peru ambassador's computer files?
They have access to Merkel's files so why not?
Thank you... came to the comment section to find this comment
The USA may have been monitoring this illegal activity because, unlike Hungary, the USA have strong laws on paedophilia and child sex trafficking (as mentioned on many American TV crime procedurals) and they must monitor all these illegal activities, I would imagine in all the USA's geographic areas of influence and interest.
To my knowledge they tracked it back through the dark web, maybe through a known site and unfortunately alerted the hungarians before the peruvians, because Hungary brought back him undercover and fined him for a ridiculously low amount, twice the average salary, 1/5th of his salary
@@AndreiGromit and epstein didn't killed himself? right??
The larger EU grows, it will be harder to keep this from happening again. If there are more countries, it is easier to find a mate to say 'no' for any matters.
Edit: Don't click the replies section for your own good
27 members and you need always an unanimity vote 🗳
It essential to establish the qualified majority systems with so much members
Equality shouldnt be a matter to say no.
The law that every state need to agree should change to some kind majority, maybe 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 4
No matter what you think about the underlying issues, the real problem here is this: Hungary joined a trade union. They did not join the United States of Europe, where the federal 'government' gets to dictate social policy to their states. And by this comment i am not taking a stance but pointing out a detail (a small edit under new info that i recieved i no longer agree with my previous statement )
It's pretty much like "Liberum Veto" in Poland in 17-18th century that lead to its partitions and disappearing from the maps for 123 years. Seems like whoever made these EU laws haven't studied history.
Article 7 of the Treaty on European Union is a procedure in the treaties of the European Union (EU) to suspend certain rights from a member state. While rights can be suspended, there is no mechanism to expel a member. So the answer to " Can Hungary get kicked out of EU ?" Is no
The converse may become true the day all of £B...Q will be exported on an island in the middle of the antarctic where they will be allowed to exercice the only thing they are able to do.
@@ezzovonachalm7534 Wtf is £B...Q?
@@acorgiwithacrown467 Lesbian, bisexuality, gay, trans, Queer. Is that was what you were asking?
@@annigard8 Why didn't they just say that then?
@@acorgiwithacrown467 Because abbreviation are shorter to type while expressing the same meaning
This is what Hungarians voted for.
It's called democracy
Only 49%
@@quasii7 That’s almost 50% of the country and keep in mind there’s multiple parties
@@quasii7 Hungary has a two level election system.
First level is the local election: county mayors(representative of the county as a whole) and mayors (representative of individual towns, cityes...), you vote for party representatives.
Second level is where you vote for the head of the country (Orban, Márkizai...)
The final precentage of the votes comes from a combination of this two.
So while the Fidesz only gained 49% in one of this, they held overwelming majority in the other.
Funny fact is that this system currently favors the opposition partys more than the ruling one.
Fidesz would likely hold around 80% or more of the votes without it.
And before anyone assumes I'm a fanatical Fidesz supporter, I'm not. I will vote for the independent local party in the localised election and will likely vote for small, but new party in the countrywide one.
And voted again now
"I'll bring Hungary to it's knees on this" well he's doing Orban propaganda for him with that one sentence
i was thinking exactly the same, i can already "see" the newspaper titles: Victor Orban fights against eu infringment in internal matters, the Eu wants to "Bring Hungary To Its Knees", this pm probably single handedly gave hungarian pro governament media all the headlines they could need
@@roccaraso1771 he controls the media in his country anyway so that doesn't matter and Rutte's comment was likely more for a Dutch audience, there feeling within the dutch public is that the EU isn't doing enough to pressure them, so he has his domestic audience to think about because politics.
@@deathZor42 What was this thing about democracy, FREEDOM and self-determination? I guess, EU only values these as long as everyone align with them. But as soon someone decides to say now, the western part of the EU goes full fascist mode. If that is how the west will interpret freedom, then they can take it and shove it somewhere where sun does not shine. After all, they seem to be quite used to shoving things up there.
@@HoukaiBG You‘re saying FREEDOM, but you forget your fellow lgbt hungarians who are now getting oppressed by your government
@@HoukaiBG you are right, every country has the right to self-determinate itself. But Hungary has also agreed to share some values joining the EU and, as they say, "pacta sunt servanda". If they do not respects the pacts they should just leave. Again Hungary can do what it wants because it has self-determination rights , but it must bare the consequences of its actions.
I'm from Hungary, and this is the best summary I've read so far, it's far better than the ones in Hungarian. I'm really glad you could stay neutral and objective, this video has contained every crucial information concisely.
u have a spanic name lol
This is why I like TL;DR. As an American this channel really helped me understand Brexit and it had the best summery of the "GameStop stock bubble" I found when that happend.
@@raul-km6mq No it’s Hungarian
@@raul-km6mq it Varga stands for "shoemaker"
@@raul-km6mq No he doesn't. Its Hungarian.
The children don't have to learn this in schools. What is happening to this world
Why not? Don't you think it could help gay kids to accept themselves?
@@simonelagreca9233 kids are not born gay. It's like saying that some kids are born as communist
@@redacted7060 No. Communism is an ideology, homosexuality is a sexual orientation and genes may play a part in determiming it
Hungary can do whatever they want. Why would they listen to Mark Rutte or Macron. Who are they to decide what law should changed or not. Are they the leaders of Hungary? No. I fully support Hungary and Poland on this one.
lmao, Hungary signed international treaty so yeah they can't do whatever they want, or they have to leave the EU. simple as it is. Hungary is not special snowflake, either play by the same rules (that you agreed to) or get out
Change the thumbnail image from "kicked out of Europe?" to "kicked out of EU?".
Europe isn´t EU. There are a lot of European countries aren´t in the EU.
You can´t be kicked out of Europe.
Maybe drill at hungary's border and lift its continental shelt to a safer place a land without leftist and liberals aliong with muslim immigrant then i would love to visit the place.
I hate how liberals are going woke nowadaya i am not agains ges but i am against child indoctrination, people with brain are are descriminated in a woke society,.
@@amongussus4 How is this relevant to my comment about the THUMBNAIL? I just don´t get when people reply something that has absolutely nothing to do with the original comment, instead of writing a comment of their own. Why?
@@Asa...S commie
@@sergiu8174 true
@@Asa...S ur gangsta until they add p
I need to say I am not against them but I am agains 7yr olds who have only lv 70 testosterone to decide thier sexuality is kinda stupid
Average man has like 400 to 1200 lv testosterone, ges have less and les have more it is not thier fault but if u want to make 7 yr olds incapable of any decisions to decide thier future ur an evil person, why should kids decide thier fate when they are incapable of doing so???
No hate to anybody
U need to know the reality of the law before u comment
"kicked out of europe?" You have to learn a difference between eu and europe....
EU can always pretend it’s Europe, like ‘ugh, from now on I identify as Europe. I prefer theuy, theum pronounces’. Respect!
@Maxime Laville Did your mommy grounded you or smth?
@Maxime Laville well... us citizens refer to themselves as Americans, aren't they...
@@n34t Russia is Europe as well.
@@n34t EU is pretending a lot. Even democracy.
National Sovereignty is the supreme right. No country, or group of countries, has a right to dictate *internal* policy to another country.
Correct
If it pays,sure it has.
Ist 4th reich not ue
@@user-mc8ow8me9o Western Europe is paying, so they command what future is the EU,if Poland and Hungary don´t like it,leave.
@@errormatrix4159 + bulgaria and greece we would live to leave
I think it’s marvellous there’s so many magyars can speak English so well that they can carry on such an intense emotional dialogue. Who cares if there are any linguistic mistakes. Kudos to you all and keep it up.
Hunkies just love to argue….about anything…anytime. Especially after many shots of Unicum and Pailinka! As booze and fists every Saturday night.
No obnoxious intro, no split screen, straight to the point content. Good job TLDR.
The intro was good
*straight
Afraid to write 'straight'?
Or is Orban under your bed?
@@LathropLdST haha nope
split screen?
the EU says to Hungary "if you have an anti-gay law we won't let you be in the European Union"
Hungary answers "is that a threat or a promise? "
Completely tone deaf on the EU's part there honestly. Hungary is expressing conservative values along with EU skepticism and the first thing the EU does is acknowledge the first while threatening to kick them out a union that they are skeptical of (thereby increasing their skepticism)...GENIUS.
@@moonstriker7350 sure actually the fact that you cannot get married or adopt a child and form a family isn't against gays. Where did you went to college? Harvard?
@@levipb1403 Where is that in this law we'r talking about? Quote it, thanks.
@@moonstriker7350 oh so if I am a man and I'm gay, I can get married to another man in Hungary? And if we want to form a family and adopt a child, we can do that too? I must have missed something...
@@levipb1403 Answer the question, don't sidetrack.
FIRST ENGLAND THEN HUNGARY AND POLAND ARE WE STARTING TO SEE A PATTERN HERE?
This didn't happen in England or the UK
Yeah, I think I do. Okay so, here's what you do. Assuming you've got a US keyboard layout, look to your home row. The one with "asdf". Now, just left of the "a" key, you'll find a wide key labeled "Caps Lock". Press it. You should now be typing like a person who will be taken seriously instead of a screaming maniac who gets tuned out. You're welcome, friend.
@@kovacsakos8893 England has lost any culture it had.
@@MeepChangeling LMFAO
EU should be reformed into a purely economic alliance
You mean like it originally was. The trouble is when you give suits a bit of power, they’ll always want more. Put any suits in a room and they’ll come up with constant limitless bureaucracy
I agree
It originally was
Poland is working on that by putting it's own law over EU law.
@@1Maklak good luck with that, but I don’t think they’ll be able to hold out long
Much prefer the new layout. Props!
Tfw someone I know gets a bunch of likes randomly,
@@davianthule2035 who're you?
@@Gallalad1 a fellow Irish man, we've been to Der places
I like the new "most of the promotion at the end" style of videos. Makes getting into the meat of the video a bit quicker.
I wonder how much difference it makes in effectiveness. We should all take an extra think about how we value TLDR when changes like these are made.
Just use the sponsorblock addon. Brilliant little thing.
@@ForckySpoon cap or not very good joke
"we are very angry, and we will write a letter to you so you know how angry we are at you"
Poland and hungry got pressure when they passed their immigration laws. They don’t get that pressure anymore..
Its Hungary not hungry...
@@petermieth7952 then they can leave eu
Hungary*
Hungary* thank you for the intelligent correction
Hungary 🇭🇺 not hungry 😂
hungary and poland, friends since middle ages
*ww2*
Burgers in Hungary is quite quite.
@@sallmandar1027 lol no
@@sallmandar1027 for more than a millenia. We even had common kings.
Schemers would be a better word for this kind of partnership
tldr: ''One EU leader advocate to kick outHungry''
Me: I'm wondering if.....
TLdr: ''Mark Rutte, Dutch MP''
Me: of course
Haha, true... Although he's not just a Dutch MP, he's the Dutch PM.
@@Snowshowslow Ah yes, our racist "leader" who still seems to like the ideas of herd immunity.
The EU is now a supranational macro-State which goal is to delete the sovereignty of the countries building a macro-State, with the same ideology and politics, violating the democratic willing of the citizens of each country. The UE wanted to make Poland and Hungary socially posmodernist in order to get the COVID funds. THAT'S HORRIBLE. WTF is the EU to change a whole country? That breaks the Liberty of the States. That's too totalitarianism, like the fascism or communism. The Statism will destroy the EU.
@@barrygillis I didn't make any claims about his value(s), just his position. I don't want to make any claims about that ;-)
@@poltergeist7621 The EU is a union to countries that align with it's core values mentioned in the video, so of course it is expecting Poland and Hungary to... *align with it's core values* when they're in it. Saying the EU just wants to "delete the sovereignty of the countries" is just fear mongering and frankly ridiculous, it's all democratic and Hungary and all it's culture does not get "deleted" because the EU doesn't accept anti-equality and anti-rights laws.
- Hungary is constantly defying us!
- So they want to leave the EU like the Brits?
- Worse. They want to reform it...
more like steal money and contribute nothing
@@justADeni We don't steal money. We get what is rightfully ours. In exchange for the EU funds we'd opened our markets infront of the western conglomerations.
Reform it? You mean make it more bigoted? 😂
@@ryankramer8779 Nope, I mean fixing it, because right now it is a failure. EU enlargement is all but stopped. The economy is stagnating at best, while Chinese and American companies are taking over the market. The EU borders are under siege for years, and Brussels does squat on putting an end to it, except for taking in more and more migrants. But their most important job all day everyday is to endlessly debate and debate and debate, often about thrivial issues.
@@bbenjoe Human rights are not trivial issues.
And where has the EU been all these decades while Hungarian minorities in what are now neighbouring countries of Hungary been subject to discrimination and years of human rights abuses based on their ethnicity and language?? Such hypocrisy
Hungary wasn’t part of the EU when it was under communist rule.
@@sueelliott8085 It's happening even today. But noone cares.
I believe it is a political move at least partially against Orban.
@@katajuliakeresztes3274 of course it is having countries like poland and hungary in the EU not only make them look horrible but also the population of those countries would get mad if their country won't at least react to this
@@0okyo Yep! They don't even know Hungarian minorities exist in neighbouring countries. If you are a minority in Romania you are Romanian to them or if in Serbia you are Serbian. They cannot fathom the idea of it being otherwise x)
if Germany or France started doing this, no one could do anything since they are pretty much holding the EU together economicaly, so without them the Union just destroys itself.
Germany and frace cannot do this , bc they are western and hungary and poland are from eastern europe
@@fritz2622 Both Hungary and Poland are Central European countries and so is Germany
@ ok then , the nationa spirit the political situation after 1990 is western in germany and eastern in hungary and poland
@@fritz2622 There is nothing about being western that forces France or Germany from changing their cultural norms. In 100 years, it is entirely possible for the people from either place to change their desired norms 180 from what they are now. After all, Imperialism and race theory was all the rage 110 years ago.
@@ColinTherac117 ofc but im saying they ve been like this for a long time and not gonna change soon
Imagine if they started this thing called the "Gay war"
Future Historian : Now, we shall learn about the European Gay War of 2030
Bruh the eu would get wrecked, a lot of countries support hungary including russia, they wont start anything, they didnt do anyting about ukraine they just verbally said no no to russia. Only the us had the balls to move ONE ship to warn russia
@@flyingbeast7902 I don't even like the Eu, despite US not being it. They preach about freedom, but they are enforcing it on nearby European Countries.
@@flyingbeast7902 it was the UK not the US even
@@ak-77 nah the us moved two warships into the black sea
If this is what Hungary wants then so be it. Not every country in Europe has the same values.
Actually as a hungarian none of us want these laws, they are enforcing it. Corruption is high here. I back then made a post that the laws they made were against the human rights, because it prohibits the freedom of speech.
@@thebuffman5597 yeah but what do Hungarians want as a whole not just you
Its such a same that you're saying it is okay for a whole country to take away people's rights...
@@paulo7507 Even if they didn't want gays, that isn't a good excuse, that's like saying Hitler should get away with what he did just because Germany had different values
@@Anonymous-rp1rs what are we supposed to do then? invade the country and kill their leader and leave the country in ruins???? We do not live in a utopia and never will. Not all countries can be everything to all peoples, we do not all have the same values.
I would like the EU to publish a list of EU values. That would keep them changing from year to year.
Nah, it was always the same and quite short, only one sentence in fact, here it is : "Whatever we say they are".
EU values = Western liberal views aka "political correctness"
human dignity, equality and fundamental human rights. It's Ursula at @5:15
It's literally in the treaty of the ue. Article 2
The Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities. These values are common to the Member States in a society in which pluralism, non-discrimination, tolerance, justice, solidarity and equality between women and men prevail.
@@alexclarke6924 funny. liberal's main purpose is to get as much freedom as we can without hurting others'. Now we cannot say anything because of this pc. There is actually no acceptable word to describe a Black person.
The EU did grow way too fast without figuring out what it really wants to be first
You have to remember the time... Back then we legit thought that nations would evolve the same way, as long as we just put money into it.
It was the same time, where some people honestly thought they would win a war, just by saying that "you have democracy now".
Under that idea, expanding was not a stupid thing to do... Now that we know that isn't the case, yeah it was too quick, but who would have known that a lot of eastern Europe suddenly would turn back towards autocracy? Particular after being rulled by the Soviets.
@@MrBandholm We should just give them back to Russia 🙄
@@MrBandholm expanding the EU was probably the right thing to do back then. But with the knowledge from today it should have been sone in a different way
@@_blank-_ I heard the USSR had a very progressive rhetoric under unity and equality. Maybe you should go too.
@Firm Buttocks Thing is, it is not "Tax payer's' Money" but I get your meaning.
And no, the situation in the Eastern countries are far better now, than it was in the 90s... Yes it should have been better, and it is fustrating that things doesn't evolve quicker, but forgetting how bad it was, is not helpful.
I traveled a lot in Eastern Europe in the 90s and early 00s, and frankly a lot of those countries were extremely poor. Things are way better now, but not as good as it could be.
I’d argue that Orban’s blatant corruption and misuse of EU grants should be enough to question their position in the EU
@Firm Buttocks Hungary already had membership, it doesn't look good on the world stage when you accuse a close country of yours which your citizens interact with for corruption.
Anyhow, the E.U has gotten something which they can use against Hungary, which they officially did.
@@braynaguilar8567 EU doesn't have any influence anyhow it's nothing but an economic union.
@@braynaguilar8567 Nah, they cant worsen, we are a cleptocracy, supported by the net EU transfers. Orban is building a "national plutocrat cast" by redirecting funds from the EU to them. If they kick us from the EU, they cant maintain it from the free market, so their only option is to stay inside. The dramatic two face communication toward the EU and inside is a good example. Trying to save face in the EU, and stoking homophobia in the rural regions is the name of the game.
@@lukacsnemeth1652 Hungary is the Mexico of Europe, is just that Hungarians are allowed to move freely into other countries unlike we Mexicans who have to work to get Visas and get foreign citizenships
@@ilo3456 - Mexicans don't need to move anymore, American companies come to you.
Wow! Is that a country with some common sense?
no
Yes
Thanks God Europe has real people who is not scared of saying truth.
Like how immoral it is to ban gay marriage.
@@moviemaestro800 You are on the side of emotion, opinion and bias - we are the side of reality, morality, logic, facts, truth, honesty, etc. It is immoral to push pedophilia into our society. Everything which opposes pedophilia is good and just. It is moral.
I love correcting you on your ignorance and delusion 😂
EU: Your kicked out!
Hungary: a damn shame, I’ll just go have a chat with Russia then, he seems pretty chill.
EU: How could Russia do this!?
i think china has bigger chance
Russia still has control EU doesn’t!
Hahaha and then Russia will take resources and military bases on Hungary just like they do with Ukraine for a few cents XD
Russia is the only country left in Europe that has power the rest have sold there souls!
GDP per capita
Hungary: 16,700 USD
Russia: 11,585 USD.
Great country to make friends with. But be careful, Russia usually betray its friends like it was with Georgia, Ukraine, Armenia, Belarus, etc.
If they didn't do it with Poland, they won't do it with Hungary.
It was a mistake to give them veto rights
@@jamadir its democracy boy
The EU is now a supranational macro-State which goal is to delete the sovereignty of the countries building a macro-State, with the same ideology and politics, violating the democratic willing of the citizens of each country. The UE wanted to make Poland and Hungary socially posmodernist in order to get the COVID funds. THAT'S HORRIBLE. WTF is the EU to change a whole country? That breaks the Liberty of the States. That's too totalitarianism, like the fascism or communism. The Statism will destroy the EU.
@Cornelius Sulla i'm conservative, They are blowing our tax money but don't follow the rules set for the European club.
@@poltergeist7621 You are a clown
Stand strong Hungary. Love from Miami.
We will bruv
@Florida Stuff ft Myers
Against what?
@@standowner6979 EU, corruption, fucking rainbows. You know things like that.
Fuck Hungary right now, hope it gets better, if it doesn't, i hate it
-a Hungarian
It won't happen since poland will most probably veto
If you’re here for the straight answer to the question, the answer is no.
"straight" answer I see what you did there yiiiiis
Nope
Is this really you Napoléon?
Hungary should probably just leave instead of getting kicked
According to the treaties no country can be kicked out. It is impossible. Only a country can decide to exit
Respect for Orban from Bulgaria. Nobody should dictate another country's laws
Hungary cant go against what they signed up for when entering EU. Now they're trying to break freedom of expression, so yeah EU can dictate country's laws
@@justADeni Quite the contrary. The E.U isn't in a position to tell countries how to live.
Dear EU!
We bow to no man!
Cheers!
The Hungarians
But will bow to a woman
@@LucasMoraes-fu4qm Only for love of our life.
Answer: No, because Poland has their back and vice-versa.
@Adam Radecki horrid brothers yes.
Maybe it's changes in the next elections
Kick Poland too
Nah... that shtick is up. There is a strong chance Orban will be booted out of office in 2022. Poland already runs a minority government that might not make it till winter.
@@ashrudawski6031 more realistic
"I'll bring Hungary to it's knees on this"
I would like to see him try
You guys basically live off EU handouts.. not hard to take away your pocket money..
@Azur i it's like your boasting about a bully at school stealing your lunch money.. sad that you let them do that to you..
@William Miley yeah kind of like if a company stops paying you if you stop working. To join the eu you agree to uphold equality. You dont want to do that fine then we wont pay you..
@Azur i we give it to your country so it's yours. If your leaders decide to take it all for themselves and still charge you high taxes etc, then they're stealing it from you.. It's not complicated..
@William Miley that's like saying north korea agrees in free speech, just not our version of free speech.
Hungary agreed to uphold the EU's definition of equality when they joined (if you can have hetrosexual relationships on tv you can also have same sex). They say they cant do that then fine. Leave.
The EU is falling apart, and Central Europe is rising. There is a reason for that.
the EU is falling apart and it will definetely not benefit central Europe. I hope that this crisis will be resolved. No one is without a blame here.
Central Europe is ot rising and undermining democracy and depriving people of their basic rights is not what will help central Europe rise. Conservative countries are the poor for a reason
@@user-dx8iv1ds1f You are wrong. Central european countries did not have colonies that made western european countries rich and after the second world war the communist regime destroyed the economy that's why the are poor. Look at western democracies (censor culture, pc, anti-white racism, liberal media terror) and think about it human rights again.
If EU falls, France will be a superpower
@@petervarga3618 they colonized other countries because they were already rich. Their technology was already much more advanced, this is exactly what allowed them to colonize. They did not get rich or civilized thanks to colonized countries. As for human right believe me western countries allow their citizens enjoy freedom much more than other countries. Not oppressing lgbt community in western European countries is just an example
Who would call Liberalism 'normal' these days? 😂
Literally everyone who has heart and brain.
Anybody who has any knowledge of history at all
Liberalism has been "normal" in European culture for over a century now.
Have you been living under a rock for the past few decades
If Hungary gets kicked out of the European Union, I honestly think Poland will follow through with polexit because they love Hungary and Hungary is the one who vetoed the EUs attempt to suspend Poland, so without Hungary in the EU there will be no point in Poland staying.
And then when Poland leaves the whole V4 may exit
i want some the things your smoking. While Poland and Hungary are good friends both the EU and Poland gain a lot from the coalition. The raw manufacturing power of Poland is quite big.
i think that eu coudn't survive an other -exit if other countries leave it is doomed
If Hungary will kick then not only the V4 will follow us, the whole Balkan and Baltic states are gonna leave the EU, because they are dissapointed the EU if it kicks someone only this reason. Then Hungary will create there own fraction, whit those who leaved the EU, maybe whit Visegrád name. And if it happens, maybe that will be the last choice of the EU, because it is the end for the EU if the half of there states are leave.
From a Hungarian
@@sanmaz1019 is this a fever dream or something? 😆 Slovakia, but Czechia mainly - won’t do anything for Hungary and Poland. No one’s gonna leave for you. The only reason we’re not voting against you is not to hear you crying and finally having nothing to do with you. V4 is such a outdated union, it’s still running just because we are faking politeness to those backed up so-called democracies you have. ✌🏻🕊 I’m sorry, but we can’t stand you really. Even our antiLGBT nationalists hate your guts. There is no chance bby. 🤙🏻
"Is this an alliance of nations? What's the nation of our alliance?!"
-- Hamilton, the European Cast
you know the deleted adams administration rap? yea we need that
Since 6 times more founds are leaving than entering in Hungary per year, countries like this are founding players on the west. If they are start kicking players like hungary and poland, the big business is gone and eu will fall apart. They just want to pressure the hungarians to elect more "eu conform" leadership. Bad news for them: this will not happen. Hungary was agreed to be part of an economycal partnership, not an ideological or an other ussr.
Hungary was not part of the ussr, plus hungary takes the most money from the eu so they should stop bitching if they like their money so much
Buddy, look up the list of net contributors in the EU. I can garantee you won't find Hungary there, and in the 2018 budget Hungary was the second highest.... In the amount of money they receive but don't contribute, in first place being Poland
Looks like I'm moving to Hungary. Seems lovely there.
Enjoy your monthly salary
Yes if you're an intolerant skinhead you should go there
I wonder if Poland might be in the same situation...
Poland contributes alot to the eu in trade with their massive industries. Poland isn't a small ex communist nation it once was. Kicking out Poland would be causing massive destruction in trade and probably make the entire border east of Germany leave too, all of V4 would leave honestly
@@juniorcrusher2245 idk what you're snorting but I want some too
@@juniorcrusher2245 lol. The only thing Poland contributes is cheap labour.
@@vitas75 All of you are peanuts in todays world, just the thing that u gathered as the EU makes u strong together.
Each EU member except of Germany and France is useless and can be replaced.
@@vitas75 not since 2004. poland has become middle class now. all the cheap shit comes from ukraine now
I actually like the new style of content already
Hard same.
@@memetopia5130 1, You don't need it trust me
2, This comment was really out of context
Gaara of the desert
@@samukiss-korbel7853 1. What's wrong with their laws?
2. Yup, it was.
The EU is now a supranational macro-State which goal is to delete the sovereignty of the countries building a macro-State, with the same ideology and politics, violating the democratic willing of the citizens of each country. The UE wanted to make Poland and Hungary socially posmodernist in order to get the COVID funds. THAT'S HORRIBLE. WTF is the EU to change a whole country? That breaks the Liberty of the States. That's too totalitarianism, like the fascism or communism. The Statism will destroy the EU.
Czechia, Slovakia, Poland and Hungary. We should all leave EU and have our own union.
yep :D
nah lol :D
Please do. We don't want you anymore :D
People don't want democracy, they want dictators that agree with them. This applies to both sides on this topic.
I mean... pretty much. That's just universal.
Yeah i mean, one part of them are not fond of being treated by their own goberment as subhumans, and the other one wants to compare lgtb people to pedos and to ban all education about the matter. Both sides are terrible indeed.
No country or union has the right to tell a sovereign nation how to run their land
the union has rules, if Hungary does not want to follow the rules, it's free to leave the union at any point. altough less corruption money from the EU would kill our political elite, which would be really sad :(
*ruin their land
Yes they do. It's called international law. It's existed for millennia
@Benjamin Remélem tudod, hogy a fenti törvény nemzeti hatáskör és nem uniós. Foglalkozzanak inkább az uborka görbületével...
@@kisshereful what rules state that hungry must allow lqbtq stuff taught to children gender course back in school and let gay stuff on TV before 10 o'clock. Any rules about that as I doubt it truly.
Thanks for moving most of the promotion to the end!
PS: As always, great video!
It's not even anti LGBT... they just don't want their children to be sexualized so soon....
It's not like the tv is a ground for gay propaganda. I have never ever seen a gay ad in my tv and i live in Greece, a "developed" nation. If Hungary, a conservative country with many backwards ideologies actually has more lgbtq+ ads in it's TV network, that would be a huge surprise. Can you also elaborate a bit more when you say "they just don't want their children to be sexualized so soon". Are you suggesting that the television can change the sexuality of someone? This law is 100% anti-LGBTQ+, it's restricting the right of certain individuals that belong in a bigger social group, to express themselves on tv.
I see how that may make sense for someone looking from the outside looking in.
As a Hungarian, let me give a bit more context. Fidesz (the ruling party) is strongly conservative to a fault. It's not about sexualization, it is about old values, that are not just un-liberal, but also I guess you could say ancient. Hungary is running out of Hungarians, our population is dropping (as I guess is the case for most developing countries), and based on nationalist ideology mixed with catholic values, Fidesz is doing their absolute best to keep the population growing. This is a very-very small country, with less than 10 million people. In their heads, "western" values led us here, and they are obsessed with the idea that George Soros with a help from some conspiracy is doing his best to make sure that Europe becomes something like the US, where the now individual countries will just become states. Fidesz is promising that if we let Brussels tell us what to do, and we take in all the western values, we will lose our cultural essence. The whole thing is extremely nationalistic.
For them, LGBT guys are "against the fabric of family", for obvious reasons. They want everyone to be "normal".
@@YellowGiraffeGal Europe is trying to become a centralized state like the US though it's just utterly failing
Sex education is a part of school and there are more sexualities than just straight. Children need to learn that as well as other sex education.
@@jhinthevirtuoso4886 yeah, agreed, but I think the idea that this would just erase national identity as a whole is a bit outlandish. Language barriers don't make centralizing on a civil level all that easy.
this is real paradise
Didn't think there was any way to kick a country out of the EU
There isn't
Article 7 is more about very harsh sanctions, though if this does get triggered, it means more than enough support to possibly go further. Afterall if all memberstate are willing to activate the nuclear option and this doesn't cause the sanctioned nation to back down, there likely will be enough support to just push them out, existing articles or not.
Technically, if all other sides agree, they can.
@@tomasvrabec1845 until a country is suspended/expelled it still has a vote and presumably it will not vote against itself , so doubtful all will agree. Now if you suspend voting rights then the EU is no longer democratic as not all have a vote and therefore is breaking is own rules and should suspend and expel itself. Not having a specific removal clause was an oversight .
@@PabloTBrave A memberstate doesn't have a vote when it is about sanctions against them obviously. This is the same in every democracy, a party can't vote/take part in preceedings that decide about sanctions against them.
No EU values, no EU money.
At a memorable point in the first Godfather movie, Clemenza demonstrated his wisdom when he offered this sage advice to Michael Corleone: "You know you got to stop them at the beginning, like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich."
there whrere red flags since 2015 but those where ignored
@Influence08 considering that this value is 2 versus the rest right now it would seem that it is majority rule.
@Influence08 you got to be kidding...right. Who dicides what values we have. It begins with not discriminating, is that hard for you.
Sure. This law is stopping the indoctrination of children to be gay right from the beginning. Wisdom see?
Stand strong Hungary. It may not be obvious but 100's of millions stand with you.
I hope so.
Fucking based Hungary 🇭🇺 🤜🏳️🌈
ur all so gross. why is being homophobic or transphobic socially acceptable
@@queenofastora Ur disgusting then.
Learn what homophobic and transphobic mean.
@@queenofastora and if you don't like it here, go to the millions of videos praising gay people on platforms like tiktok or Twitter and see if people really think being actually "homophobic" or "transphobic" is true.
Go find some actually homophobic content
When can I move to Hungary!
enjoy your new piss poor salary, no free speech, no human rights and inflation, fascist :D
Interesting how "People should be informed and live as freely and happily as possible" nowadays is considered a (controversial) political opinion with it being perfectly fine to have a different opinion on this.
It's a shame and I really don't like how Hungary is acting lately. Destabilizing your own democracy while still being part of the EU is just wrong.
@@Chrissy717 To be fair Sweden is doing it too by canceling an entire party and anyone that works with it... effectively overriding the vote of anyone who elected them... That not democratic etheir. Now debating about the laws being passed in Hungary is a different thing and they should let the people vote for or against it.
No? If they would've been canceled how come some parties are willing to form a government backed by them? I don't support them the least because they go against so much of my personal views. But they're not canceled.... They have as much say in the parliament as the people has given them
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough Thank you for pointing out that your comment is completely unrelated to the topic of our comments. ✌️
@@r_b42 Ulreated how? You said hungry is destabilizing its government and I was adding so is Sweden.
Eu was once an economic union, good old times
the EU has had its own laws for many years now, the anti-discrimination and equality laws have been there for a long time as well, it's not the EU that's suddenly changing, it's Hungary and Poland etc. that are disregarding EU's pre-established laws.
EU want to be lgbtq union
Now that Brexit is over and done with, they have no reason to pretend that was the case anymore.
@@ttjuicer5916 or just more progressive in general. Is BRICK any good
@@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274 teaching little kids about transgender ideology sounds good !
Im hungarian and proud
"silencing people who say what they don't like" 4:30
It smells like... double standards here...
Yikes!
Exactly. Double standards, at its finest.
Very much
It is a double standard because, objectively, one is trying to create a safe space (a bubble, if you will) for homophobic people by discriminating against a minority and the other stance is about treating all people the same, because they are also humans that exist and you can't simply pretend that there aren't any in your country. Obviously if you think being LGBTQ is wrong you would try to erase them and shelter you kids from them, but just wanted to say something from my own perspective. Have a nice day.
@@kaori1822 homophobes don't need safe spaces
4:22 hmm, the belgian flag in the background kinda looks like the flag of the Austrian empire.
Yes lol
lol
Yep xd
Meanwhile in UK: I should have thought of that earlier
Thatcher did, search up clause 28.
The paper tiger from Brussels roars again - how frightening 🤣🤣🤣
Fat round man from Budapest squeks in tiny voice - how frightening 🤣🤣🤣
The problem is, that the EU politicians are hypocratic as fuck. Human rights only matter in these situations? Human rights don't matter when Hungarians are oppressed in Romania and Slovakia? No EU politican ever said that what Slovakia, Romania and other non-EU member states like Ukraine and Serbia is doing in case of the Hungarians living there isn't right. Where are those so-called human rights then?
Am I the only one who was mainly bothered by it originally being a bill against paedophilia, until some schmucks added a bunch of other rubbish on top of it?
PRIORITIES, PEOPLE! 😠
Sucks that most Western media is missing this, despite it being the move that shaped much of the ensuing political debate in Hungary itself.
Amen
Yes this is the law Main focus it prevents the harming of the kids
considering how many conservatives view the lgbt community, they see those two words as the same thing
Don't you think that was also the point? Because this anti-lgbt clause is now connected to anti-pedophilia law, Hungary can argue that it's opponents are pedophiles.
The problem is gay people are now associated with quite radical ideas about gender. When I (a gay man) speak to my polish friends they often say they don’t care about people being gay just the political side of it. (Teaching in schools, people in Speedos walking down the street, drag kids) that sort of stuff. The Eu failed to realise that nations in Eastern Europe are much more conservative and religious then Western Europe, are values don’t always align.
This. The problem might be in that the radical ideas are the ones that are most visible in media and on the internet. I believe that a vast majority of people under the LGBT umbrella are normal people. But then there is a very "loud" radical minority that by their actions really disturb this perception. Even though I try to be rational about this, I still get scared when I read stories about what is happening at some universities in the US - trigger warnings, professors fired for having a different opinion, teaching that all white straight men are bad and so on. It is hard for me to evaluate how true these stories really are. But that doesn't erase the emotion.
Noooooo you cannot make sense! This is forbidden and against our agen...human rights! Heckin bigot, you! :(
@ and then we wonder why countries in Eastern Europe Asia and Africa are afraid to start going down the same road. They see affording gay people equal rights as one step towards all this madness and that’s a real shame but in some ways understandable
Go Hungary Go !!!!
Well Hungary is the one who saved Poland from being kicked out a few years ago sooo I feel like Poland will do the same. Plus the governments in charge of those countries have similar political views.
Probably countries like Romania, Croatia, Latvia will also support them
If they kick Hungary they remove Romanias access to other eu members effectively making it harder for Romania to trade with EU the main benefit of eu membership
Also Bulgaria is in the EU, so Romania will always have that border
@@HetYaom but Croatia doesn't share a border with Romania 🤨
@@HetYaom because if we didn't brought them in the EU, not they will be even more "banana republic" and probably in the hands of totalitarian regimes allied with Putin
@@HetYaom Croatia is the same banana republic just like Bulgaria and Romania
I think it's more about export - import taxes then free movement on border checkpoints.. They can still use Danube and black sea anyway...
These are some high quality videos. Congrats, im genuinely impressed by the quality of the videls i've seen from your channel
Except that it was taken straight from a hungarian VERY FAR leftist online "news" site.
only the parents should decide the sexual education of the kids. This is not an extremist view, its common sense.
I find it weird how the people who say this are usually against abortion too. Do they not realize that not educating children will lead to unsafe sex and more abortions?
Everyone deserves an education. Children are not property who you can just keep ignorant and thats perjudicial not only for them, but for the people around them.
So Hungary and Poland are like the Texas and Alabama of Europe?
Yeah
Poland more like Texas and Hungary more like Alabama... ;-)
No Australian version of Texas or Alabama, it’s all Berlin
Also Article Seven was used more on Hungary than all other members combined
Yet Hungary is still all fine
Seems like it doesn't really do much of anything...
If by fine you mean we living in ever increasing shitty conditions thanks to Orbán. Yeah... we are fine.
@@Szopjale1 Those "ever increasing shitty conditions" are a byproduct of the 1990s debt spiral/total government ignorance of it ever since
In a nation slowly drifting towards bankruptcy, of course conditions will deteriorate
Instead of saying that it's the current government's fault, why not say it's the fault of the collective leadership since the 1980s?
@@HyperScorpio8688 The ever increasing shitty conditions I talk about are the direct result of Orbán and his actions. He is the one destroyed our democracy, eroded the civil rights, stolen all the money, brainwash people with propaganda similar to the early 20th century.
@@Szopjale1 Hungary and Poland are the only free countries in europe. They don't let anyone shove lgbtq+-_/$^*|>~} propagada to their people. I wish for more countries to follow in their footsteps defending europe and it's values.
@@a_1389 so your definition of "free" is to punish, legally bar, or criminalize a certain group of people? are we sure we're talking about Europe and not the states here?
This is an absolutely excellent piece of journalism. Very objective. This filled in many gaps in my knowledge of this developing situation.
lol
Better than bias press in my country
I find it sad that we have to congratulate journalists for doing there job and not being completely bias.
It would be like congratulating a teacher for educating there students or applauding a dentist for taking out a cavity.
@@ottovonbismarck1352 thankfully, (some) teacher are applauded by their school community to show appreciation for their work of at least trying to educate a much more thankless generation of self-intitled morons
@@polishmemefactory4793 I’m not trying say that showing appreciation is a bad thing however it is still the job of the individual to do the job they are getting paid for. In the instance of the teacher they are getting paid to teach (if they get paid an adequate amount is a different augment) but non the less they have an obligation to educate. They should not get rewarded for that just like how a journalist shouldn’t get applauded for being objective and giving information.
OK. But we don't know what does it means! When the 5 years old Pistike says: I have 2 dads. At The next week, he must go to the
court?
It was ironic how Merkel criticized Hungary and the UK because of the crowded stadiums during the European Football Championship. Fact, in Budapest and London everybody could enter to the stadiums with immunity certificate card and these two countries were good in the vaccination campaign also. Meanwhile the vaccination campaign was very poor in Germany because of corruptions and the less people in Munich weren't in such a safe place. After it how can she offer the leaders of other countries what to do and how they organize a sport event in their own countries?
Hypocricy is the word you're looking for.
It's a union of various nations with different values and cultures. Much like the united States before and after the civil war, there will be a time to come where a line must be drawn where the EU has power and the nations have power.
I don't mean to conflate the 2 completely different places here in any way, but it should be said that these little fractures will best be addressed sooner rather than later.
Actually, they are addressed: union law over writes domestic law, point. The nation can do what ever the f they want in the border the EU sets
But the EU doesn’t exist to be a state, and if so most countries would leave
However the EU was not founded to be a federal state, it was founded to be centred around Economics, not one nation joined to give up there sovereignty.
Line cannot go over equality.
@@lochness96 except Brussels especially after the euro was adopted and the 2008 financial crisis were interfering with certain sovereign state policies look at Italy Greece and the balkans during the migrant crisis they have a history of interfering and always handing the nuclear option to those who weren't complying
"Straight"forward Video. Good job tdlr
It's not right for anyone to dictate policy. If hungry says that the alphabet people aren't acceptable in Hungarian culture, so be it. They can move somewhere where people want them around
bad take
@@nabibbs2402 There is nothing wrong with adults identifying with whatever they like. They can live their lives in hungary and have parades, like last year... They can share their lives, live together, go to LGBTQ friendly bars and saunas... we have those too. But this LGBTQ propaganda is going way too far. Why mess with little kids who are just developing their identities? This is nothing more, but an experiment. This fad will pass too, just like BLM. Research about BLM being caught in corruption... Also research who is funding LGBTQ and BLM matters. I will not say.
Hungary have the right to make their own laws, the EU is a Union not a Federal State. If the concervative countries, Poland, Czech , Slowakia, Slovenia, Austria and Hungary make their own Union, they won't need the EU
That WOULD constitute for a great thing indeed. EU with Germany at the helm lost the plot for the other members.
God I hope this happens, just a proper economic Union instead of some US of Europe dominated by France and powered by Germany
Visegrad Union for the win
Yeah sure cause rich countries like Czech Republic, Austria and Slovenia will leave EU that protects democracy and a wealthy economy just to join another union made by conservative brainless. Delirium is at it's highest.
@@user-ly1fk9kk9d welp, if Scotland desires to do so why shouldn’t actual EU members?
the eu needs major reforms if it wants to have continued stability
Like what?
@@ZombieTeube That's the question isnt it?
@@gustavthomsen1538 It is quite simple: Unanimity should be repealed
However this won't happen because repealing it would require unanimity.
@@wfb.subtraktor311 Even if it was repealed, nothing would happen to Hungary in this specific case. The are more anti LGBT nations than just those two.
The EU should shrink to the actual western european countries with shared values not far right dictatorships which infringe on human rights.
Jean claude juncker actually once called orban a dictator.
Right in front of his face. Right in front of camera :D
Hungary is slowly becoming an autocracy as Orban's friends own most major medias, and as he changes the constitution to favor himself.
Yeah Claude is amazing like that, he really doesn't care about wether or not people he talks about are literely standing next to him, it's amazing haha
A drunk corrupt eurocrat.
@Firm Buttocks I don´t like Juncker as he was corrupt as fuck but how was he a dictator? Dictators don´t tend to be replaced peacefully without any fuss.
@Firm Buttocks Good thing they aren´t uinaccountable.
This law is not anti gay it is pro family it limits the promotion of alrenatve lifestyle by instututions and leaves to the parents GREAT MOVE
Keep telling yourselves that.
you swallowed Orbans propaganda like germany's people used to swallow Goebbels'
EU should keep its nose out of these sort of affairs.
we know end of the world is near when this is considered contraversal...
@@masoodajmal ?
@@masoodajmal what what
Someone missed the point...
@@masoodajmal errrrrrrrr!
@@KLGnation what point that the eu is a complete and utter mess.
Looks like the Warsaw pact is rebuilding itself.
bruh we need a new union without those snowflakes from the west
Any unions against the EUSSR is valid
This time i think a lot more people will be welcoming it.
No need. Both are part of V4.
what a stupid comparison
The decision on internal social policies should be left to voters. If majority of society votes for such bills, then who are the EU leaders to declare their votes redundant?
They vote for this stuff, they will live with it, not Macron, not Merkel, no outsider. Such a weird power flex.
I like that they're both "democratically backsliding" and "elected with a majority." Maybe I don't know what words mean I guess.