History of WWI Primer 098*: Russian Nagant 1895 Documentary | C&Rsenal
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- Othais and Mae delve into the story of this classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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This was the original 098 episode:
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Additional reading:
Револьвер наган
Сергей МОНЕТЧИКОВ
Le Revolver nagant 1895: un Siecle Sous les Drapeaux
Gerard Gorokhoff
Винтовка Мосина и револьвер Нагана: мифы и легенды, правда и ложь...
Алексей КЛИШИН
Domestic Revolvers and Pistols
S. B. Menetchikov
Weapons of the Great War: Automatic Weapons of the Russian Army
Vladimir Glazkov
Les Revolvers et les Fusils Nagant
Claude Feys & Rene Smeets
«Наган» в цифрах
Дмитрий Карпов
M9130.info blog
Ammunition data thanks to DrakeGmbH
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Animations by Bruno!
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Sees 1895 Nagant video.
Notices it is 1h 42m long video.
Hell yeah!
Me too
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Dude the longer the @C&Rsenal video, the more excited I get about it. Fuggin' gold, every single time.
"Some people tell me it's supposed to be [peeper], but that sounds creepy."
Othais never disappoints.
SS-Standartenführer Jochen Peiper says hold my beer 😅
Exactly!! This had me rolling.
@@SafetyProMalta Dang, a two for one lol. Nice
@@nebiyuesayas5600 I mean, that guy's name actually is pronounced 'Piper'.
It gets more funny when you hear him pronounce Émile as [Emilay] instead of [Aymeel]. But it's a Beardy trait and we love him for it.
Pros of Primer remakes:
-new cool information about firearm 😀
Cons:
- No “War Were Declared” 😔
It needs to come back, it's so weird such an iconic part of the channel is gone. :(
I miss the 'war were declared' bit
Me too, man. I'm also not a fan of the new title format that they've renamed all the old ones to match too. "Primer: Small Arms of WWI" was a much better title format than "Primer: History of WWI". Like, the old one was specific and fit the actual videos much better than the very general-sounding "History of WWI".
It'll be back. We know it. It's too good of a tag to not keep reusing.
Let them have a little break. It'll be back.
And no, this is not War Were Declared. This is an alliance just in case War Were Declared Again.
We're sharing a foxhole now, @MarkAndrewEdwards. And I've got your back.
Going to look at my finances and get on patreon this morning.
You guys got me through the worst year of my life last year.
$5 a month really is the least I could do.
Plus..You could be talking about the evolution of milk churns in Edwardian England and it would still be great!
I'll update this when I commit later today!
**Did It!!**
Damn it, now I want a series on Edwardian milk churns and their relationship in advanced butter production. With perhaps a follow up video thesis on the state of cream..
Milk churns might be a good accompaniment for 'its a trap'!
@@CollinKillian if there was ANYBODY in the world, it would be Othais.
My Dad the 18 year old G.I. in immediate postwar Germany had one of those but no ammo for it.
He would take .30 Carbine rounds and squeeze them in a vise until the bullet was all shoved into the cartridge case.
Viola! Nagant ammo!
Year later he would tell me it was the dumbest thing he ever did but boy did it shoot flat !
_That is one of the firearms of all time_ 😁 "Can't nobody argue with that at."
Bravo Bruno for actually illustrating case obturation 🎉
You're welcome. Besides being the defining feature of the Nagant, if I didn't deform the case the bullet would clip through and look terrible :)
Does anyone else find the accuracy of these things after over 100 years amazing?
I’ve only shot mine a handful of times… between the cost of ammo being only for this as well as the atrocity of a trigger pull make this something of a novelty for me
It’s a matter of being in pretty good overall shape. The vast majority that came in to this country had been refurbed so any shot out/rusted out barrels would have been scrapped.
Mine is accurate with anything you put through it. The SA trigger is pretty decent. The DA is doable, and for what you would actually need a DA trigger for I can dump a cylinder into the center of a silhouette easy enough.
Mine is a mid-1920’s Tula. Looks like it has its original parts except for the grips.
Even though statistically it's not super impressive, I like to think of all the things that had to line up to get any given intact object over 30 or so years old to where it is now. Especially foreign items, because then you have to think of all the little coincidences that had to come together in order for it to end up overseas! It's all really cool in a cosmic sense.
Some are. Some of the arsenal rebuilt examples have terrible barrels. If you look to purchase one, avoid those with a lot of rebuild stamps on the gun and ALWAYS inspect the barrel by removing the cylinder.
King of the milsurp pistols that USED to be $199...man does time make fools of some of us. And yes Ballistol rules. I have instructed my wife, when I die, hopefully years from now to bury me with a can. Sinatra had Jack Daniels...I want Ballistol
Ah yes, the legendary "Can we suppress the revolver?"
Suppressor wasn't the reason they made the cylinder gas seal, it was to squeeze out as much power as they could, not wasting that burn that normally gets out through the cylinder gap. The suppressor was just a nice side effect.
If you could use it for self dispatch for making dumb jokes?
Haha! Nice.
@@Pigness7Yep, the increase was of about 30-40m/s apparently, over 10% which is impressive.
The last low priced milsurp sidearm. These were $79 on surplus sites for years.. I paid $69 for mine at a gunshow (w/holster and cleaning rod) around 2004 at Nashville Fairgrounds Gunshow.. Once that batch dried up and ammo became available (I have a .32acp cyl that I bought in order to shoot it) the price took a steep, steep rise. Nice little revolvers in my experience.. Mine is SA/DA
I paid $100 for mine, but that's okay, because it's a 1939 Tula, and I have a 91/30 of the same year and arsenal.
Only fairly rarely found Imperial revolvers are ever SA only. Probably everything that got formally imported was SA/DA.
Same with the SKS. Brilliant low-priced C&R weapons, until A) they became Internet Popular, and B) the supply dried up as a result of them becoming Internet Popular.
Love C&Rsenal for everything - except for highlighting the best budget firearms and making them not-budget anymore. 😆
I love this channel. Othias has an encyclopaedic knowledge of these firearms, but I gotta say, May has the best job, getting to shoot these pieces!
I'm only three minutes in, but I already have to stop and say that's a beautiful model 3.
I caught a glimpse of the mythical stamped 1911.
Timestamp?
1:28@@blueorb7030
0:37 THEY EXIST , UNTOUCHED SINGLE ACTION ONLY MODELS EXIST , AAAAAH
Ironically, I was in the middle of watching the Scandinavian Nagant episode (in which y'all mentioned a desire to re-do the 1895) when this dropped.
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Perfect timing, I'm Watching the latest primer and receiving email notification that the C&rsenal "unloading" podcast has been released! The Perfect evening!
I appreciate the depth of your research and how well you present!
Fun fact, you can use .32 SW Long snap caps in a Nagant Revolver when training.
I will keep this in mind for my finger training.
You can shoot the boomy boi version through them too…
You can, but with premium snap caps, you don't have to worry about the old primer breaking.@@Dominic1962
@@Dominic1962although you have to clean up the whole gas seal area more often if you use the shorty cases
I love how we can go into the second boogaloo for history!
Good morning! Outstanding!! Great shot group with the single action!
Every episode my eyes are wandering to the Mexican Pieper Carabine, just over Mae head, in 8x50 Pieper, with an action similar as the Nagant
They're cool and contraption-y in a streampunkish sorta way. I might have bought one when they were $79 drive-out in excellent condition with a unissued looking holster. And when surplus Eastern Bloc ammo was cheap and plentiful. A store near me had some of them. I was a 1911 fanboi back then.
I appreciate all the new information that you guys put into this episode. Thanks for coming back to it
Oh that alliteration, be still my heart!
Great episode. My Nagant is as clunky and noisy as yours! The revolver resource is amazing. Well done to all!
Could we get an episode about another M1895? The Lee Navy rifle. Please, please, please.
I second that motion!!! 🤠👍
I’ve been harassing the man about this for over a year now
If anyone can do it @tenacioustrilobite it’s you!
Harassing? You surely mean politely requesting.
@@carlcarlton764Tactically applying social pressure
"The worst unicorn" is probably the greatest label Mae has ever given to a firearm
Rosie the Mangey Rhinoceros! I love mine, but I can't tell you why.
Interesting that the Russian cavalry disliked the Nagant and were interested in semi auto pistols. Most nations Calvary were holdouts for revolvers and preferred them over adopting new semi auto pistols.
They liked the S&W No. 3. If the Nagant had a swing-out cylinder then the cavalry would've liked it just fine.
Compared to a clumsy gate-loading revolver, loading a Tokarev is much less fiddly. You need two hands to insert a magazine but everything else can be done one-handed, so you can do it fairly quickly while maintaining more control over your horse.
Thanks for the review! This one really captures how wild the gas seal system, and the considerations it required elsewhere in the system, really is.
It was also produced in Poland. Before World War II, the Nagant was the service weapon of the Polish Police until 1945. It was adopted in 1927 and produced in a weapons factory in Radom. Markings "F.B. RADOM Ng 30". It differed in several details from the Belgian original. Some of the revolvers were purchased in Belgium.. Some of the Nagant revolvers were acquired by Poland after the Polish-Bolshevik War in 1920. The Polish People's Army also used this weapon after the war under communist occupation. To this day, all types can be found on the collector's market in Poland.
Oh Nagant, I can still see the callused reminder of you on my trigger finger.
OH. My goodness. Thank you for showing the lockwork...It's...Beautiful...
Imperatorskiy means "Emperor's" not Imperial
The Fortress of Taku of Opium War fame are actually FOUR "Taku Forts", blocking the entrance to the river on which also Beijing can be found.
❤thanks, just an update, my post stroke recovery continues (;I might have mentioned ) still fascinating!
Get well soon!
“Hey Patrick, did you know you can suppress those?”
Just watched this last night after having it in the backlog for a while. Cant say i was expecting a remake of tge nagant as the original one was also done very good. But now with more understanding of the revolver lineage its done almost perfect. Today i gonna watch the sks and also hyped for the adams episode next week
10/10 episode!
Thanks!
1:39:39 - I can't help but see this as an unintentional and unscripted breaking-of-character for both Othais and Mae, and I absofuckinglutely love it. "The WORST Unicorn".
Fucking classic.
Or, it will be. Someday.
On an unrelated note, I can't express in words how much I wish I could say, to family and friends, the phrase, "My friend Othais said...." I mean, seriously, what a fucking awesome name.
This weapon has been described as "ain't no lady's gun"! Mae seems to disprove that ! LOL
Not really a great human’s gun in general
I think this is the first video I am not watching 3 years late
This was unexpected, I though you're done with WW1 revolvers since you've made a video summing up your opinions on those.
8:45 A small note on pronounciation, 'ch' both in Ivanovich and Chagin is pronounced the same way as in 'cheese'.
11:14 It is indeed, as far as I'm aware.
20:53 Which means that for the same bullet weight thanks to 35% greater velocity you get 82% more muzzle energy! Which leads me to wonder if one could practically achieve the same result just with a longer case & stronger charge at the time.
28:47 I can't think of a revolver round of the time (including the .38 Special which came out several years later) which would give a faster muzzle velocity, so I don't think it's a fair comparison to make.
1:17:51 Since 1926 TK pistol was available in the same roles, so this might help to explain the relatively short production span.
1:38:54 I'm sorry, but this is the wrong optic to look at it through. The external circumstances were such that there simply weren't enough time for the change to the next thing to occur in its fullest, not that there wasn't enough push for the changeover.
Man invents worst trigger pull ever, asked to make it single action only.
The training models markings are "uch". Suspiciously, those are the first to letters in the russian word for "teach"
Sweet a 1:45 video about what is simultaneously the absolute worst but also one of the most interesting revolvers I own.
I have a gas-seal Nagant that I keep by my bedside. The Soviets ran up some ammo for it in the 70's. Corrosively primed but fairly hot. 1070 round spam cans. It has a timing issue with one cartridge position in DA. No issue in SA.
I have an 1895 refurb (it was a whopping $75.00) and it's really nice but the odd thing about it is it seems to work better with .32 s&w long rather than the original ammunition and is also far more accurate..
Outstanding
This was an awesome breakdown 👍
There was. Model that used a hand axe has a shoulder stock.... likely Imperial Navy Issue... if the Channel want the images for their records let me know.
I watched a Russian movie about gangsters and Soviet cops in Roaring 20's Odessa. The Nagant was the pistol of that era. Lots of shootouts.
Once upon a time I walked into a local gun store where I was noted for collecting old military weapons and was shown one of these. I identified it and tried to explain the ammunition to the guys, who were very amused by it. I always wish I could have bought it, as it was in good condition, but at that very moment I didn't have the money and someone else scooped it up pretty quickly.
Thanks for your work. It's so cool
Gotta love the Russian empire - they wanted a strong, simple, mechanically reliable gun that could use discarded rifle barrels. And they then specified themselves into ordering a clockwork monstrosity.
Actual combat officers did ditch revolvers and TT for captured German pistols, which was actually approved by the Army. And unlike German machine guns and even rifles, ammo shortage couldn't be a real issue in their use most of the time. So revolvers slowly but surely were moving to back lines and particularly to law enforcement, not only because they did not have so many chances to put their hands on the coveted German pistols but also because the revolvers, most of the time, beat pistols by their accuracy way ahead, and that was a more critical future for police officers than the opportunity to speed load (forget about doubtful decock safety which actually was quite an issue in the real service) and in the encountering a criminal at the close "fist fighting" distance even the most terrible trigger pull works just fine not to mention ability to shoot right into the corpse without disengaging the firearm (some of the reasons why the police of good old days stuck to revolvers in the USA as well as in France). On the top, maintaining a revolver clean in the trenches is a story to its own while not a problem at all for the police. The only major problem for them was being hard to conceal and carry.
Being a forestry technician in Canada for many years, I tried not too many but a few guns and revolvers and found TT just awful with accuracy. My father, back in the 60ies as a geologist in Siberia, has been issued a revolver both for wildlife and bush outlaws protection and would prefer it to TT for the same reason -- he could not only punch through the head of an attacking grisly but shoot a grouse easily in the field -- try to shoot a grouse from 50 meters not just with TT but even Browning.
And at the end of the story, there is a good reason why the Soviets did not bother to replace "the horrible" Mosin-Nagants and Nagants. According to veteran memoirs, "the great" Mauser rifle did not provide in the real combat situation any definite advantage over Mosin, and soldiers hardly ever used it (unlike German machine guns) while handguns were not so vital at all except for some special forces groups, which would inevitably procure german pistol in the war zone.
I own one and its incredibly accurate in single action for a military revolver
As a movie reference, these are heavily featured in "The Chekist", (Rogozhkin, 1992), being the primary means of execution (many, many executions) in that brutal film.
It was also the pistol that the protagonist Bielski (sp?) in Defiance used with a handful of rounds.
Great Video!
holy crap, i have an old russian 1895/1910 from back when they were sub 200 bucks and a spam can of ammo to boot
i need to take it out more often.
Awesome!
You can generally eject the casings with your finger, since their mouth protrudes out the front of the drum.
Thanks. I enjoyed
With the closing of the Remington original factory. Any chance we might get a series on guns of Ilion , New York?
You guy's ballistol ad would make a great shirt. Just saying.
I can't wait for it to come out that the Zetans helped the French with the Lebel, and C&Rsenal has to come out with episode 1**!
That hinged firing pin looks so fragile. Was it able to swing up out of alignment?
Unlike all modern revolvers the nagant have one feature, the cylinder rotates while hammer down what allows to play a russian roulette.
Last time I saw nagant was I guess 2005 (Russia, Moscow), not in the museum but in service. They say that in railways security it still in service
Oh yeah, it’s a long one!
I think of all the small-bore revolvers of that period that predated the modern swing-out types, the Austrian Rast-Gasser was the best. Abadie loading, eight(!) shots, and a cartridge that wasn't quite as bad as some of the others (although Nagant service gas-seal ammunition was up there with the old 32-20). What say you all?
21:27 "Light strikes... and binding!"
Close to two hours on the Nagant 1895? Sign me up.
My grandpa had one of these that he probably got for $50 in the 90’s, but I don’t think he ever got ammo for it straightened out.
can someone please tell me how to spell "Abedey"? Is it Abiddy? Abitty? Abede? I tried to google it today, having only heard Othaias & Mae say it aloud, and found I could not spell it closely enough to get search results.
Abadie.
So are they Patented, Plastic, and Picky?
Those have quite the double action trigger pull
Russian tankers 1940: the TT33 throws too much brass around
Russian tankers 1943: PPS GO BRRRRRTTTT
I was under the impression that PPS was rarely if ever actually issued to the tankers, compared to the PPSh, which, it seems, remained their standard arm until the AKS came to replace it in the '50s.
@F1ghteR41 no ppsh was officially to be replaced by pps, but never really went out of production
Pps was more well liked by tankers for being more compact and reliable even if they had to "acquire" them unofficially
I would've thought spent brass would be the least of your worries if you're firing a pistol inside a tank. Your ears would be ringing for weeks!
I suppose the TT's brisk report and muzzle blast would leave you even more deaf than the Nagant?
@rdrrr the nagant might not be too bad shooting out of a pistol port.
Basically turns the tank into a suppressor
@@ivankrylov6270 Good point, I didn't think about that.
Soviet tanks were sometimes cramped. I guess brass flying everywhere could be an issue, probably more annoying than problematic. If you need to fire a submachine gun out of a firing port then you're probably past the point of caring about spent brass?
Anyone else think Pieper looks like Othais with a fancier mustache
“… as there is no book, currently, that has the entire story…” I CHOSE TO OPTIMISTICALLY READ A LOT INTO THAT COMMENT! And keep waiting.
So THAT'S what the mini pocket on jeans is for!
I have always been fascinated by the the Nagant gas seal. I have often wondered whether an innovative manufacturer could make a single action using modern manufacturing techniques and materials with a gas seal mechanism for silhouette shooting. This design might have solved the severe gas cutting experienced by the Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, which led to its discontinuation. To make it viable, it would need to use standard ammunition.
The “use standard ammunition” part is the problem
You have to have the long case and deep-seated bullet or there's no seal.
В 1910 году был выпущен револьвер наган с откидывающимся вправо барабаном. Но на вооружение он принят не был.
i must say i am very well educated in firearms and some people say i am a sort of encyclopedia when it come to guns and probably true with modern guns but i feel like im in 3rd grade with ur content of older guns😂
Mae, you say that you couldn't shoot it accurately in double action. Your target says differently. While the single action only revolver was much better, your actual accuracy with rounds on target with the double action was as good, or better, than a lot of other pistols you've shot.
Is it a good trigger? NO! Can it be shot with reasonable accuracy? Yes.
I've noticed a heavy or gritty trigger affects a shooter's confidence in a firearm more than it affects their actual accuracy.
That's not to say trigger feel doesn't affect accuracy, just that people tend to overestimate how impactful it is.
nice❤
13:54 "One-shot horses" lol oh man that's funny by also kinda sad
Have to admit of all the surplus firearms i purchased during the 1990's heyday the Nagant is definitely the crappyist, if you had a case of ammunition then it was fine to just plink with, when that was gone in the safe it went
You should try an Egyptian Helwan copy of a Beretta Brigadier.
I have one of the 1940's target models. All these years I thought it was a mod. Turns out it's factory.
You forgot the M1910 Nagant revolver which it changes the reload mechanism is exactly same as S&W M1910 MP revolver.
That's not an 1895, not was it adopted in Russia.
I know. I’m just saying that M1910 Nagant revolver is a forgotten variant of M1895 Nagant revolver and it wasn’t shown up the video, that all I want to say.
Smith and Wesson have nothing to do with it. This is just a copy-paste of the Mle 1892 reloading system, right down to the fact that the cylinder opens to the right. Most likely, this was a very belated attempt by Nagant to compete with other Belgian companies that launched the production of Mle 1892 clones, including those chambered for Nagant cartridges, which were supplied to Russia. Well, in the end, nothing came of it, Belgian clones were on sale in Russia, but the “M1910”, which is actually an M1895 with a grafted piece of frame and an ejector from Mle 1892, arrived at the table too late. There are even some recollections that the surplus of these rare Belgian Mle 1892s were still used in 1945 by Soviet troops participating in the Far East (since they were given all the non-standard equipment before that), and were in police shooting ranges back in the 1970s, fortunately the cartridge did not cause any problems. They were never officially accepted, but between 1914 and 1945, apparently, everything that could fire was purchased from any source.
Nice I have my own Nagant revolver from 1943 which i lovingly named der kommisar. It te4nds to have a lot of stuck cases so you were spot on with the poor quality.
7.62x38mmr is the original cased telescopic ammunition
Its so wierd that they figured out stuff like this waaay before an open bolt smg and such
Self-loading firearms were not practical before smokeless powder (with a few exceptions, such as the Maxim).
Even after smokeless powder was adopted, pre-WW1 military brass were convinced combat would happen mostly at long range, based on Britain's experience in the Boer War. This is why rifles had sights adjustable out to 2,000m - and why pistols were considered an emergency defensive tool only, not worth investing much in.
Then war were declared and all those assumptions proved completely wrong...
@rdrrr I know that, but it is still funny that there was no big push by the civilian market as someone said "what if neutonian physichs?" And designed an smg in 1900.
@@davitdavid7165 I mean, what would you use it for?
Back in the day most civilians carried a .25 or .32 pocket pistol or a .32 or .38 revolver for self-defense and perhaps owned a rifle or shotgun for hunting. An automatic pistol-caliber carbine isn't concealable and isn't any good for hunting, so that's the civilian market bust.
Police use is more likely, and one of the major reasons submachineguns proliferated after WW1, but there was no perceived need for that kind of firepower in the 1890s/1900s. It was the rise of organised crime in the 1920s that necessitated greater police firepower. Bank robbers and bootleggers were toting Thompsons and BARs, so law enforcement did the same, plus Model 8s and Winchester self-loaders for good measure.
@rdrrr mag dumping for gun maybe? Or you could just come up with the consept, not know what to do with it and pattent it.
@@davitdavid7165 Well, machine pistols existed before submachineguns did, which is why the German word for submachinegun is "machinenpistole".
I'm not sure when the first machine pistol was produced, sorry. I know machine pistols existed before WW1 and it was mostly Germany and Austria that used them.
That's probably why Germany developed the first practical SMG, the MP/18 - they already used machine pistols so they had an advantage in developing the SMG concept.
I bought one of these back when they were $69 apiece. I also picked up a box of then current production ammunition. I have no desire to shoot the little beast, as the trigger pull is atrocious. Mine is a late war made one, and it is crude looking. I shall have to see what the markings are to help identify where it was made. Thanks for explaining why it was so bad. My is definitely a paperweight and nothing else.
Mae's shooting : GULP
i own 1 of these and it works pretty good but stops on one chamber and wont double action or single action i am accomplished in assembly and repair of guns but this 1 has me puzzled and suggestions as what might be causing problem.
it seems to function when gate is open but not when closed
1:16:03 literally me, no wonder I have a weird fondness for the thing
Cue the circumcision jokes…
I use Ballistol
I got the cheap refurb, the pistol is fine.
Single action only Russian Nagant?
Othias, be honest. Who's soul you sold to the devil to obtain such thing (and before you ask, i know you already sold yours and Mae's soul long time ago)?
The double action trigger pull on my Nagant you could fool most people into believing it's single action