10 things I was DEAD WRONG about 😬
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Some bass players love to double down on a bad idea. And though we once bristled at the notion that there could ever be such a thing as a wrong musical opinion, we’ve since come to accept that there is such a thing. We know because we had one! Scott was colossally wrong about the Fender Precision AND slap bass!
In this episode, Scott and Ian reveal their newfound love for Robert Palmer, and the big things they’ve changed their minds about, or wish they’d known sooner.
In this episode:
Who is Pierre Brock?
Scott’s new F Bass - love it or hate it?
How Ian found the perfect monitor engineer.
Is slap bass still cool?
Should you put reverb on bass?
Where are you on the midwit meme?
And much, much more!
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Video Breakdown:
00:00 - Introduction: Initial Dislike for P-Basses
19:31 - Reevaluating Boutique Basses
28:05 - Rediscovering the Joy of Slap Bass
31:20 - Focusing on Fun and Music
31:49 - Discovering the Groove and Vibe of Slap Bass
42:52 - Changing Opinions on String Spacing and Amp Size
56:44 - Trusting Your Musical Instincts and Monitor Engineers
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I was told by many bassists over the years, (I've been playing for over forty-five years) never to use flat or tapewound strings, "they'll make your sound muddy." About five years ago, I needed strings, and I thought, "What the hell, I'm going to try these flatwounds, if I don't like them I just wasted thirty-five bucks." Now for years there had always been something in my sound and tone I didn't like, and no matter what I tried to tweak, it would not satisfy, me until I tried those flatwounds, now I use tapewounds, and that is what was missing. Don't let others tell you what you feel and know.
Since I started almost 30 years ago, I've been fighting the tone on my first bass ever, a MIM '95 Fender cowpoke PJ. I've had the bridge replaced, frets replaced with stainless, Aguilar preamp installed w/ Nordstrand pups... was still unsatisfied. Then last year, I threw flatwounds on it for the first time ever, and holy f***, the bass was made for flats. I felt so stupid for the longest time that in the almost 30 years I had this bass, I never thought to throw some flats on there. Also, it gives the bass some purpose now, considering I almost always play my three other 5-string basses.
@@adamwalcott_official At least you were in the dark for only thirty years, Adam. I was blind for forty, what a revelation, all those years of not being satisfied with my sound.
Sounds like an excuse for a couple more basses.😂
First thing I do when I get a new bass is throw on a new set of la bella deep talking gold alloy flats. I love the feel and the tone
Weird bs take. Especially with so many pro bassists using flatwounds.
Definitely prefer this format of pod! The good 'ole bromance bassnerding
It's BACK! ;)
AGREED!!!!
That "I was wr-r-r-r-ong" bit comes from The Fonz on Happy Days.
I almost commented about it too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, who knew Ian is friends with Henry Winkler? 🤷😄
As a guitar player in my band…i feel weird that i love bass podcasts. I think its time to switch teams 😂
Play every instrument you can. They're all fun AF. Oooooh, drums. Bass players dream of being drummers too
Come to the dark side!
😂
@@sarajamuswe have cookies 😂
It's time. Welcome to the dark side of your heart. 😁
@@sirhandelno3 Magic cookies!!!
We need to shout out those bass players who brought back the P bass when it was extremely uncool. One great example is Colin Greenwood from Radiohead - a guy who really understands what the P bass does best, and uses it in creative ways. Check out "How To Disappear Completely" and dig the warm, chunky tones he gets.
Scott and Ian are GREAT!!!! Definitely, the Bass Dynamic Duo!!!! Love when you guys are together because you are so entertaining. 😂 🤣 👏 👏
I enjoyed that. Especially the bit about gatekeepers at the end. Thanks
I love the old bass chat vids on SBL. I also dig the honesty here.
I unexpectedly sat through this entire video. I like the shorts too but the fact Scott and Ian can keep viewers locked in for an hour really says something.
Session legend Bob Babbitt played the original bass line, and the song was written by Andy Fraser, the legendary bass player from Free.
Who has never featured on SBL as far as I know
The Mick Sterling shoutout is well-deserved. Dude has a heart of gold and a ton of talent.
I love this old format. I always watch instead of just listening to these podcasts. It's such a blast to see the two of you interact-it always makes my day. Thanks!
Damn, that hour went quick!
for me too, lol :)
I enjoy these long-form, Scottian bromance videos.
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@@devinebass We need a better combined name to refer to the bromance...Devison?
IT HAD A SPALTED MAPLE TOP MAN
*me:* I mean valid
I just....wish there was a switch I could flip that switched from roundwounds to flats....
You guys are both Geniuses! Love what you guys do! Keep it up!
My big "I was wrong" was picking up the bass as instrument in a way. I was halfway through first year at the royal college of music before I finally cought up with myself and realized that what I truly wanted was to write my own music and not just write my parts, my life as a musican suddenly fell into a focus that I had missed before and it had caused me a lot of grief and frustration in my early ears not understanding what I wanted and why I never felt completely happy in my bands with my role. The reasons for me picking up the bass in the first place was partially wrong but it took maturity and time to admit it. Sure, I have always gravitated towards bass lines and rythm but a big reason was confidence or rather a lack there of, it is after all "known" that bass is the "easy" instrument to learn (wrongfully so in many ways). Let me tell you, when you got a burning desire to express yourself and write and a lack of confidence to boot its arguably the hardest instrument in the world to start with. Well After years of studies first private lessons and then studying music in highschool and then that first year in college it was a relief to finally figure out that all though I love bass it was not the instrument optimal for me as a musician.
So whats the lesson here? Figure out what it is you really like and want from music and be honest with yourself if you discover 5-10 years in that you are on the wrong instrument/role/niche, its never too late to swap, a lot of the knowledge is transferable and theory is universal. Secondly, 15" speakers rule, both on bass, guitar and piano dont sleep on those bad boys. thirdly, start recording bass again properly dont get suckered into being lined in and fogotten in the mix as a dry sterile fattner for a guitar, own your freq space!
Peace
I love the long, just talking and playing Pods! So glad you guys talked about the amp things greet topics today guys! Always love these!!
Hey there, I just love what you two are doing, just keep on playing and talking about things you are interested in. When I discovered the podcast last summer, this was a gamechanger for me. I listened to all episodes beginning from the first one when I was doing my workout every morning. Since then, when I see you, it feels just like meeting my bass playing pals - because you were talking about all kind of stuff that matters to you. Family life beeing a bass player, diets, traveling, whatever was on your mind. That is really great!
Remember the very first episodes of the podcast? You were talking about how social media work. No algorithm would ever suggest to start a bass podcast talking for hours about social media. But that was what was crucial for you at that time. And that is what makes it great.
Even if it may seem banal to talk about how long you stay up to play bass or what you had for lunch, it is very much about being musical if you think about it. Yes, Mr. Allison, I included your "me-time", the whole notes at 40 bpm, the ball of butter, in my warm-up and I learned where having great time is coming from. Maybe I won't ever make it to have that great time like you; but what mattters to me is that it is so beautiful that I learned how it is made.
No algorithm will ever push you in that direction.
I understand that you have a business to take care of, and that's okay. Just please remember to stick to what is of importance for yourself, being a musican.
Barefaced super twin fits great in the boot of my saloon car, never going back to smaller cabs!
Love the podcast on TH-cam, keep it coming! Love to hear you chatting, and when I wonder how you play a riff that I just heard I can rewind and watch it.
Enjoyed that, a free lowing conversation/podcasr like that is just as fun and informative in a different, but equally valid, way to a focused one.
Yes, yes, bring ‘em back, I missed these conversations (even going further into tangents about kids, life and all). I used to listen religiously every week, but kinda lost the thread when it changed on the main channel.
My old Aria SB1000 has 16mm spacing. Takes a bit of time to adjust to it from a Fender, but it is nice to play
Thank you so much for bringing back the old school pod!!!
thank YOU!
I really enjoy these types of podcast the most. I like the other video's but I love the long talks and chats. I have a long drive to work everyday and these types of podcast/videos makes it alot better! Always a good time and keep up the awesome work you guys are doing. You both have significantly inspired me as a bass player.
Amongst the bass players on Robert Palmers songs are James Jamerson, Bob Babbit, George Porter, Bernard Edwards and Guy Pratt.
Also Andy Fraser from Free, who is well overdue a video on the bass solo in Mr Big by Free
Amazing conversation, guys. So much good information and experienced... and your guys are sooooooo funny
Older British viewers are shaking their heads right now. Robert Palmer was one of the two singers with Vinegar Joe, which is what you get when people from Salford, Preston & Batley fuse Stax, jazz, blues & rock. Other members include Elkie Brooks, Peter Gage, Keef Hartley and John Hawken.
Great episode. Love that format guys.
Thanks guys, always having great time with you. Ready for the next one 🙏
Love the older pod format! DO IT!
Thanks for bringing back the old school pod. Love your informal conversation between the two of you. Algorithm be damned the long ones are great!
Robert Palmer, Every Kind of People 1978 is now my new "I need to learn it," song! Thanks for sharing that,never heard of the song or Bass player
So many good tips in this video. Definitely should keep this style of the pod in the mix
The laughter and the jokes and the banter keep me coming back for more!...Thank You and keep it up
Thanks for the Pierre Brock and Robert Palmer shoutout! I ran straight way to my bass to learn that bassline. So melodic and killer...
I think it‘s about time Ian creates a beatboxing class for SBL. Counting while playing is great, but being able to “sing” a drum groove, is so much more to the point. Especially, when it comes to nailing syncopated rhythms.
I completely agree with you Scott. I've always felt and still feel that way about "gimmicky" slap lines. As a result, after more than 20 years, slap is still my achilles. That's how much it put me off.
Wonderful to have the low-key, high value, Scott/Ian hang mode once more. Missed it.
Great episode.
I could listen to you guys talk bass all day, every day. Please keep the content coming. If you stop I will feel like I've lost friends/family.
Plenty more to come!
I recognize my self in all the embarrassing things you talk about when growing into a professional musician 😂. Love you guys! Thanks for this one, too❤
Loved watching this entire video. Thank you for the long fun content. I watched this while cooking dinner. I ended up taking too long making dinner because I stopped to just watch the video. Keep up the good work.
Lots of fun watching you two chat about bass stuff. Thanks.
I love the old style chatting podcast style. listening to you 2 psychoanalyse each other. Especially the episode last year where you was talking about when you brother was in hospital and you got diagnosed with Focal Dystonia. I thought Ian was brilliant in his responses and questions to that and that it helped you in figuring some stuff out there.
Speaking of boutique basses, it would be cool to see you guys talk about building your own parts bass. I've built 4 so far from Warmoth, and I love them!
Thanks for the great laughs, from my favorite 2 bass comedians! 😎
I used to think the same thing regarding a reverb pedal for bass. My dad (a guitarist) convinced me to try one. I did and now I can’t play without it! I have my reverb (just a little), compressor, and EQ pedals always on!
One of the rooms where we rehearse has an old Mesa 2x15 and it is insanely good! But, I would hate to try and transport it, it weighs a frikken tonne!
I always loved 15s.
You two are definitely different sides of the same coin! Your wisdom, passion, obsessiveness, and humor are what makes a difference in the online tutorial universe! Ian, thanks for the props to Mitch Sterling, truly a MSP legend! I used to listen to him when I moved to the Twin Cities in the late 90's, great musician and songwriter! Glad you two are continuing, keep it going!
On the subject of boutique basses, you guys have a video from 5 or 6 years ago where you play back to back on a blind test a sire jazz that was like 600€ or so against a fodera matt garrison that must have been at least 18-20k€, that sire was dialed in perfectly, the fodera sounded poorly next to it. So yes, its very hard to justify a boutique bass on sound alone.
But, back in the 90s and 00s, and quite some portion of the 10s, boutique basses had one gigantic advantage, they were built right, back then you knew that if you bought a new bass for less than 2k you were making huge compromises on how that bass felt when you played it and how it was fit and finished. Nothing beats a bass that you pickup for the first time and the neck feels proper, rolled edges, fret work on point, finish with the right texture and thickness. Not to mention the electronics made sense, bellow 1k almost everything came with bad ceramic pickups and preamps that felt like they were made to make your tone bad no matter what.
A good P or J are great basses, but the market has been absent of those at reasonable prices, or at all at times, boutique builders made a lot of sense during those times.
I have to admit.. i really do love my mark bass 112 mini. But my GK Rig!!! 2) 410 cabs and Legacy head omg!!!!!
Loved this episode! 😊
I am happy the (old) podcast is back! I really enjoy the podcast! Keep 'em coming!
Speaking of monitor mixes, lately, I've been playing direct with in-ears, but to get the "feeling" of bass and moving air, I've had a subwoofer behind me that just has the standard FOH mix in it. I love it! The in-ears give you all the benefits of being able to hear exactly what you want at a reasonable volume, but the subwoofer still lets you feel your playing. Granted, this has only been at one location and it's the standard stage setup, but I think I'd give it a go in other situations if possible. I've also mixed FOH in the same venue and it makes FOH mixing very easy by minimizing the stage volume.
One of my favourite SBL presentations. So much great stuff discussed. Cheers.
I have been playing active (mostly EMG) Jazz basses for over fourty years. Finally I caved in and I put together two passive P basses this year. A Jamerson one with flats and a Freddie Washington, Paul Jackson one with rounds. The Jamerson one with the flats is OK ( I currently have TI Jazz Flats, I might try heavier LaBellas) but I just can't warm up to the passive roundwound P. I'm going with active EMGs this week. I had them on my P Bass in the early 80s. I loved them back then and and I still do.
I love this podcast. It's a real comfort zone for me. Thank you guys for the enthusiasm and pure bass nerdery.
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Great video, enjoyed this chilled format. Thanks
Ok. This showed up in my notifications. I thought that's probably not something I should waste my time on.....but I'll check out a bit of it. An hour later I was wanting more. Enjoyed it allot. I'm fairly new to this, at an old age, and haven't played around with pedals much. I love the sound of that spring reverb and think I need one even though I probably can't play well enough to warrant it!
Dude... I felt the same way about the P back in the 90's. I had a mid 70's P that I sold for $250 back then to get a more "modern" sounding bass like a Spector, Stingray bass or Sound gear basses. I was 100% convinced I could not get that awesome bright, poppy compressed tone with a P. I didn't get another one until maybe 5 years ago now because everyone had one and I just didn't want what everyone had. Sean Hurley's tone is where I finally caved. Try as I might (and longer than I care to admit), I could not get my single H Stingray to sound like his P and sit in the mix like it does. I finally said "screw it" and got one to see what I'd have to do to it to get close Sean's tone. Nothing... nothing is what I had to do. The P with LaBella flats was 95% there right out of the case. Now I have 2 P's and 2 P/J's. It's funny to hear that the sound I was searching for back in the 90's was just a well produced P lol.
Great pod. That exit reminded me of Rob Trujillo's intro to "Punk it up", when he was with the Infectious Grooves.
Also, that was a really interesting point towards the end by Scott about slap sounding different on a 22 fret bass to a 24 fret. I have to admit, i tend to be more concerned about high fret access than the number of them (naming no names, there are some where the last four or five appear to be there for decoration); so long as I can get to the 19th or 20th, I'll be happy . . .
Robert Palmers Sneaking Sally is one of the funkiest songs ever written.
The Meters also 🔥 What an inspired collab for Robert Palmer! Check out (if you haven't)"Through It All There's You" with Bernard Purdie on drums!
Check out when phish covers it live.
@@adambidas9425 I’m 41. That’s how I found the song! My first show was great went. My cousin took me. I was 14.
@@alexanderednie1205 3.0 phan here. Been seeing them since 2013. What a legendary show to see as your first!
Total New Orleans funk without the slap.
I love the tangents and main conversation equally.
Yes. Love the old style podcasts and so happy to see them creep back in. We know where to go for the course info and other vids but watching you two have a laugh and talk naturally about all sorts is a nice breather for all of us geeks. Pair of legends, we love ya!
Brownmark’s rumble bass technique is truly amazing. Super easy to get lost in the groove. Give him a listen if you haven’t, he has a killer TH-cam channel.
LOVE his TH-cam channel!
Scott, you need to try Laney Digbeth 500 head with the tall 410. It’s killer. It’s what Nathan East uses now. Love you guys
I really appreciate these types of videos. I agree about the ghost notes pushing your back on big rigs.. its transcendent 😅
Ian describing the stages of teaching bass is so real 😂 my poor early students
Yes, this is EXACTLY the kind of content I love. ❤ Please keep 'm coming. Switched from my TV to my computer just to comment this.
Definitely do more of these Podcasts!! They are the best - entertaining and full of helpful information!
Great pod’ guys! Always loved this format… BUT also love the interviews (Guy Pratt; Sean Hurley etc.); the style discussions and teaching vids too…
For me less talk on boutique basses and more on general bass playing and experiences better
You guys are amazing, love your insights and solid experience… keep up the good work… I love the mix of all your styles of video… keeps us all interested
BTW Sharron doing a great job too!
@Scott: what are you running now amp and cab-wise on your gigs? Still relatively small, or back to proper 19" 2U amps and 4x10"?
Like it when u guys jibber jabber, keep the jibber jabber content coming 👍👍
Years ago Scott got me turned on to reverb on my bass. I keep it low and use 'Hall' style, but won't be without it.
I'm 27 so I came up in a different era, but when I was a kid the first bass tone I remember falling in love with was Mark Hoppus on the Blink 182 self titled album. The nasally P bass growl sits well in almost any mix in a really pleasing way.
So, I just want to throw this out there, and I’m not sure you’ll ever see it, since you no doubt have so many viewers: the chemistry between you two is so fresh, natural, and a joy to watch and listen to. I sometimes laugh out loud as you discuss the various topics related to music. Coming from a 62 year old ex-musician, you guys are awesome and likely a little of what I needed as a high school bass player wannabe with no direction.
Cheers for that, appreciate the warm words!!!
@@devinebass And by the way, I am proud to say my son is a music teacher, inspired in part by the music he was exposed to as a young boy.
I was just thinking a couple podcasts ago how I wasn’t in love with the new format of the podcast. I went back and listened to the days when the two of you dug deep and addressed not only bass but also your life’s and mental health and your family - This format feels free and open and genuine. I missed the sincerity of the old podcasts but am happy to see SBL noticing this and wanting to move back. In a TH-cam that is flooded with marketing schemes and clickbait and structure all for the algorithm, it would be refreshing for the podcast at least to just be some folks talking about bass and what makes them human.
What about “hi-mass” bridges? I have come to believe that saddle material is more important.
In the 80's I had 2 Peavey Mark IV heads and each had a 15" Black Widow on the bottom with a 2-10" with a horn on top. Massive sound, but my back is destroyed from hauling them around. Now I'm using a Peavey Max 100 with a 12" speaker. Sometimes if I want more Oomph I add one of my old 15's underneath
Great video! Love to hear how your thoughts have evolved over time, it saves us some growing pains. It seems like both your learning processes involved coming to the realization that all those hard and fast rules are nonsense. If you can play well, and understand what the song (or gig) needs is a bit of reverb, or flat wounds on a P-bass, or slapping the sh*t out of an active boutique bass through an SWR with the presence all the way up, then so be it! I imagine that's how really successful session players become really successful session players - leave your opinions and egos at the door.
It was interesting to hear you talk about The Frontier in Batley. I'm in West Yorkshire and for over 20 years used to live a mile or so from Batley. It's worth mentioning that before it was the Frontier, it was the renowned Batley Variety Club which had top class performers in the late 60s, early 70s. Legends such as Louis Armstrong, Shirley Bassey, Tom Jones, Roy Orbison, Eartha Kitt, Morecambe and Wise, Gene Pitney, Neil Sedaka, Ken Dodd, Helen Shapiro and many others performed there. Maurice Gibb of the Bee Gees met his future wife while he was playing at the club and she was working as a waitress. Who'd have thought that Batley could be so classy? It's a bit of a dump now though 😞
I have said it many times,,,YOU TWO GUYS ARE THE BEST!!! 🎸🤠 from Arkansas USA
cheers Robert!
This has been mentioned a few times in the comments below, but it is really so important..."Every kinda people" was written by the (the late) Andy Fraser. He was the low end of probably the most authentic rock band of the 70s, Free. He wrote co-wrote many of their iconic songs, and his connection with Simon Kirke, the drummer and the unimaginably "spare" Paul Kossoff was incredible. It often felt like the spaces between the notes were more expansive and telling than the notes themselves...His last solo album "Naked, and Finally Free" was exceptional. A true legend. Please put him into your schedule for some discussion and analysis, I would love to hear you guys share your thoughts!
Love the return of the old format. Keep it up.
the 8x10 ghost notes take.. yes i was indeed smiling the moment you mentioned it.
I have a 8x10 cab and i used to haul it all the time, but its so heavy, so i had to downsize but indeed if i could, 8x10 is absolutely killer soundwise..!
I don’t play much bass these days, I subscribed back in 2015 when I was learning to play for a band back in college. That being said, I’ve watched nearly all of the latest videos because the vibes are so good and they just make me smile and laugh. Great work y’all!
Good job! The wide ranging, " Wtf were we talking about?!" shows are great! Makes you bass gods look more human!
I loved my Ampeg rig. It sounded so, so amazing. In my 20's I'd lug it upstairs by myself with no complaints. But as the years ticked by... moving it just sucked more and more lol. Now I roll a Markbass head and 2-10 cab if I need it. Big venues... I roll direct with no amp as long as I'm using IEM unless the band requests it. I have pondered some of the lighter powered 4-10's but still just prefer the small rig. I did have one band ask me to put my rig on stage anyway just for visual lol. This made me consider building a fake cab that's actually a crate for all of my misc stuff haha. Not sure that I will but it's not a terrible idea.
Grreat podcast, I definitely like it! I think we all recognize ourselves in what you said... Thankfully I had an amazing teacher that talked me out of all the bullshit when I was in my early 20s... For instance I said to him that I hated country music an latin, and in response he made me study only country and latin for a month or more LOL. He said you should know how to play every genre.... when you do then you pick what you like best but you have to learn it all first. Also agree 100% on what you said, doesn't matter the gear, you can get used to anything, the main thing is the amount of hours spent exercising
awesome stuff guys! Love this format keep it up!
Cheers! More to come!
Don't forget that Guy Pratt played with them in the 80's.
Love these long format, chat style podcasts. 👍👍 Regarding the P Bass Theory: I fell into the same trap when I started playing… "gotta have active boutique!" Fast forward 20 years, and just last night I brought a P bass with flats to a rehearsal for one of my upcoming gigs. Probably can't get away with the spring reverb/tremolo sound though! 😁
My friend was wrong back in the 90's when he bought a 18" 2-10" cabinet.
I borrowed it one night. It was the only time I ever received complaints from people in the audience that I was playing too loud.
It was the nature of those beast's. They would thump the back of the room, but you could not hear them on stage.
Great episode!
Really enjoyed the tapping, haha.
Oh dear! I think your bass broke my face!!!!😆🤪😂 FUNK YOU!!!😜🤣
In my Leeds Met techno days of the 90's, one of the biggest techno clubs in Europe The Orbit was in Morley at the After Dark Nightclub, yep that Morley. It had the biggest names in techno DJ from Berlin, Italy, Detroit etc. Yorkshire working men would get off there faces, and a bus would take us for the Leeds Uni steps a bunch of student hippies dressed scruffy clothes and we'd sit happily on the stairs chatting with folk from places like Batley (Next to Morley) all of us off our faces getting along brilliantly. Those Yorkshire men had probably put in a really hard week, and after a double dove, Mitsubishi or 3, would give it proper large, they went mental for their banging beats.
Great work, thanks! Also been watching the "World of Strings" videos -- again great work. So, I've got to know, what strings are the Olinto? Are they the same strings that La Bella delivered on that bass? Wondering if they are similar to the "Super Polished" strings La Bella just teased us with. (I managed to get a set but I've not put them on anything yet). Cheers, Ken
I’ve been so wrong about so many things, LOL!! Flats, P basses, EMGs, Fenders… just like Ian and Scott.
Awesome twosome!! Love you guys.
Please do more of this.