The feature that imho is being overlooked the most in these new macbooks is the headphone jack. If apple's claims of it being able to support high-impedance headphones are true, this could be a total game changer for music producers and audiophiles. I've never used a laptop for music production because they usually need an external amp in order to work with high-end headphones which defeats the purpose of getting a portable device to begin with, but i'm starting to think this might be my next machine once it makes its way into the used market and the linux support gets fully fleshed out
The problem with onboard audio chips isn't really the tecnical specifications, but more the amount of noise and interference you get from putting the audio components near the rest of the board. I've run a pair of HD600s just fine on a 2012 macbook air, but its a pretty noticable difference in sound quality from a proper external DAC.
@@nicky9801 how are you even getting any audio from a pair of 300ohm headphones on a laptop? Do you keep it at 100% volume all the time? No offense i'm genuinely curious
I like their phones and tablets as those are devices I don’t wish to mod… I just need them to work. And work consistently. Plus these days security wise I believe Apple responds faster. But for laptops/computers in general.. I want freedom to do as I wish.
@@elimgarak3597 Indeed, same here, which is also why I am not buying any of the Pine64 products even though they are open source friendly since they are based out of China you know never know what kind of hold CCP has or might be able to have on them. I am waiting for non-Chinese manufacturers to offer similar products, till then I am sticking with whatever hardware I already have but with Linux on them(both phone and PC).
A point about the unified memory: Yes, they have to share it, but the architecture gives the GPU direct access to that entire address space. That means no overhead spent moving data from RAM to VRAM as you have on every system with a discrete GPU (and the concomitant rise in system RAM that comes from that). Still crap because of lack of repairability so definitely not on my own list, ever, but meh.
@@kexec. no it doesn't lmao memory refreshes every clock cycle regardless if it's being used or not. The M1 will have negligible effect on RAM life expectancy at it's worst. Every processor with integrated graphics already uses system RAM as video buffer minus those freak AMD Intel Hybrid SoCs
Shared memory or unified memory indeed brings advantages against a cpu + discrete gpu combo. I can imagine this might help at least against micro stutters in games. But a discrete GPU usually uses special GDDR Ram with low latencies, which is much faster than the usual DDR Ram, a CPU is bound to. So it depends on what type of RAM the new M1 chips are combined with. Beyond that AMD came up with direct memory access. This and direct storage access are being expected to compensate the drawbacks of physically distanced chips. HBM memory, directly bound to the GPU is also a means to make things faster and more efficient. Overall AMD's plans for a chiplet brings the PC closer to a SoC design like apple's M1 and basically all smartphone chips.
@@whirlwind872 in that case you're still going through pcie4, I think This is an apu, so the physical lanes are shared between cores, without having to go through the north bridge
@@michelepiocurci7924 they *should* be available to *everyone* who wants to attempt to repair their own device. But, to alleviate IP concerns, Framework does it in a way that they feel comfortable with.
Not getting it for alot of the reasons people have already stated, Apples practices being the major one, but this is very promising for the future of computer hardware. The next few steps will to first see if others can make ARM chips in laptops with this level of performace, and then see if RISC-V can do the same (Intel with SiFive but hopefully even more manufacturers will join in). I know people talk down on RISC-V saying it won't become big and be a replacement for x86 just because of compatibility among other reasons, but Apple proved that with Rossetta 2 that the leap can be (mostly) seamless.
The only thing I applaud Apple for. Something actually innovative and not greedy, Like removing Headphone jack and callong it the way of the future or preventing sideloading of apps on IOS.
Yes, practices. I agree that Apple comes with the best hardware for the general public. But personally, I just can't trust them anymore, at so many levels.
As much as I can get behind the sentiment here, I have to disagree. I really hope the Linux port comes along quickly and breaks the dependence on MacOS, but the hardware and software is objectively just not useless as closed source. And not nearly as inconvenient for software development as Windows. For most Linux devs it would offer an extremely similar workflow and overall experience.
To add to that there are fairly few manufacturers that offer Linux support out of the box. Most Linux ports for obscure hardware are written by volunteers. So it takes some time for those volunteers to do their work. I highly encourage you to contribute to those efforts for devices that you would like Linux to run on.
@air pods nah it's not fine considering the fact that it's next to impossible to upgrade your laptop when you want to so if you want to max it out from the beginning to accommodate with that you gotta pay a lot of money
@@tacticalautism3803 notch doesn’t affect regular media viewing, if anything it only obscures the menu bar. And the rounded corners are, again, at the top and don’t affect usage at all. Ofc it has issues, but that is the most nitpicky bullshit I’ve ever heard
Its insanely expensive, probably cant really be repared DIY, still lacks ports and runs MacOS. So yeah its kinda shit imo. Great Hardware just double the justified price and there should be a no OS option.
I feel like the argument about portability could be reversed: there are literally no laptops available currently that can run any respectable workload on battery for any good amount of time, so ofc people would only do these workloads on a desktop at home. But now it’s seems possible (waiting for the test results next week when reviewers get their hands on it) and I think it’s quite insane and means these workloads aren’t stuck for just at home or on workstation anymore, so it’s definitely a definitive edge that isn’t pointless imo
Honestly, is this really an issue for people? Maybe I just don't spend as much time traveling with a laptop open as other people but I can't see the need to regularly run heavy workloads on a laptop on battery.
I think maybe I view portability a bit different (as in compact form factor. I travel and move houses often and the ability to have a powerful machine that s not that hard to carry around is great. So the battery is not an issue for me as I use it plugged while still taking advantage of the portability.
This thing with apple is getting frustrating. Anytime apple does ANYTHING, eventually a couple companies are going to follow them. It makes me wonder if it's because of those non-tech savy people who simply REFUSE go learn and want something so ridiculously simple, that some standard settings fall under the "advanced" menu and some of the advanced settings get pulled altogether.
many things i took for granted back in the day are gone now, even on linux. Now it is very difficult to find a video converter that scales resolution and bitrate for example. great shame
People follow Apple because they give a shit about UX. Linux will never get anywhere on that front because most of the people on it gatekeep by flexing how much time they waste on the simplest shit and acting like being able to follow directions on Arch Wiki is some kind of Nobel Prize winning accomplishment. How hard is it for Linux developers to pull their own heads out of their asses and make a simple default experience and leave in advanced configuration files or command line arguments for the power users?
So, they removed features, made customers pay more (through adapters), and added them back by making customers pay even more. And improved some performance.
@@NightDoge I mean to be fair they didn't solve it neither did they call it innovation. They tried to force USB C down everybody's throat but it didn't work out as they expected since usually every company copies everything Apple does (just looking at the audio port on iPhones or not including a charger). Would've been great if the market shifted to the likings of Apple since you would only need one port only for literally everything except for SD cards but it didn't and you honestly can't blame them for trying since Thunderbolt is quite capable and it seemed like the future at the time. They've accepted their mistake and now brought the other ports back and still you complaining. Like dude what do you expect them to do? Write you a apology letter?
Asahi linux os one project to keep an eye on as far as Apple silicon is considered. Once that works we can get other distros to hopefully. But ideally would love such an efficient and powerful chip from Qualcomm or even Intel with riscv hopefully in a framework laptop 💻
Bless the guys at Jupiter Broadcasting for talking about Asahi so much. It’s quite cool, even if I have no interest in getting that thing. And indeed those contributions will probably help in general. System76 was on their podcast talking about how they’re working on the Pi, and targeting ARM and RISC-V going forward.
“No tux, no bux” Perfect Have an M1 and like it, heavy nerd tasks (compiling, virtualization etc) run fast and the computer doesn’t get much hot But yea one can’t deny that apple does things that make no sense from a technical perspective
It makes no sense to have a 5k laptop with storage that can't be replaced, once the memory degrades you essentially have to throw it out. M1 is cool though.
"M1 is cool though" is it? It's basically a beefed up phone processor. It is arm based after all. It's kinda hard to properly compare with x86 because it's a completely different architecture. I.e. it's easier to make an arm processor faster but the same code also takes more instructions to get executed so you have to make it faster enough that it balances that out. Plus using a different architecture than everyone else in the computer world locks the platform down so much that you're very unlikely to get support on any application outside of what apple itself makes along with large companies that can afford to port apps. If you ever wanna get out of the apple ecosystem that processor will severely restrain you.
@@tfwmemedumpster this is true, i have an 8gb macbook pro, and if i was to buy parallels to use other operating systems (or any other VM, it’s just that parallels supports GPU acceleration) it would be stuck with 4gb of RAM, which isn’t enough. rosetta2 is a complete lifesaver though
@@tfwmemedumpster > so you have to make it faster to balance it out Mate you’re speaking about something you have no clue about, that is not what is happening with ARM and RISC does not work the way you think
@@Sandeep-cz7ls lol ikr. arm and risc processors are even used on supercomputers, yet this moron is calling arm processors "beefed up phone processors". literally gave himself away as being unknowledgeable to the architecture itself.
GNU/Linux *does* run on M1! A lot of kernel work is already implemented and tons of graphics stuff (Mesa) is done as well. The last time I checked, Marcan (the main dev behind Asahi Linux) was implementing power management stuff and upstreaming a few earlier drivers too. The next thing to write is afaik the GPU kernel code. Apart from that Sven Peter is working on various peripherals - e.g. the old PASemi I²C driver now supports the M1 (and possibly all the iPhones). Still, there are some critical bits missing (I don't think there's an internal storage driver yet) but that's not an impossible task. Finally since these various devices share the same SoC, work from one directly translates to others. They're focusing on the Mac mini because it's the simples and most accessible one. You can better manage it physically, easily use it with a capture card, not care about any laptop-specific stuff and even open it up to do some multimeter debugging. Afair directly measuring pin voltages on the board proved useful when implementing power-gating drivers or something. And when it comes to M1 Pro and Max, if these only differ in core counts and similar parameters, the only changes required for their support would be device tree updates. And even if it's more complex then that, all the work currently done can be extended forward relatively easily!
There is a project that is successfully getting linux to run on M1. It isn't near ready for regular desktop use, but they are working on drivers and seem to be on track to have linux running on it fully in the future.
For $5000, you might as well get a powerful desktop rig, and if you need the portability, a decent low to mid-tier laptop you can use to remote into your desktop.
Hardware is there. We just need Microsoft to fully have an ARM version licensed so that bootcamp can work again. But any articles on that don't shed light on their decisions. As for Linux, i'm pretty sure that there are teams that have made it close to Linux running natively on the M1 macbooks a while ago. Probably will be cemented to run natively within the next year or so. A good time since that's when Apple will complete the transition to silicon hardware
@Vinícius Felipe Posselt ye bootcamp and dual booting in general doesn't work **yet**. ARM architecture is still something "new" for developers to adapt to since no other company before the M1 chip had success with it so developers didn't bother. The drawback now isn't Apple, so to say. It's on Microsoft to license ARM Windows and for Linux to have the community support to build versions that will run natively on these chips
It will never work. You aren’t gonna tap into the neural engine and encoders/decoders and optimized unified gpu/cpu memory. That requires OS support. It will work in a half ass way for sure but you will never be able to fully access the hardware. This is why running natively on MACBOOK is a stupid endeavour. Just run it on VM. Problem solved. It will still be light years after than all your laptops 👨💻
Apple controls both the sw and the hw. M$ doesn't, the original "IBM/PC" is an open architecture, meaning there's a lot of hw to deal with. Even if they manage to properly run Windows on Macs, there remains the issue of drivers from manufacturers (incidentally that's the same hindrance with Linux). Though I don't know much about ARM/Windows hw support. However if the use case is only Windows on Mac without additional hw, there's hope eventually.
There is the Asahi Linux project which their goal is to document the M1 chip, get Linux bootable on M1 devices (which they did, Apple still allows unsigned OSes on their ARM Macs) and finally make it actually practical to daily drive Linux on M1 Macs.
Honestly, if this supported Linux fully, I'd have no issue calling it the best laptop money can buy, that's assuming it actually performs as well as Apple says it does.
@@vic44rd i... don't? most USB drives I have are USB C and most files transferred between my phone and my Mac are through airdrop or iCloud. no need for a thumb drive, if I need to transfer something via cable the iPhones cable's end is USB C so... meh.
Arm is still kind of a new platform for new desktops, so, Linux doesn’t support it yet, it’s the same story for a lot of apps in MacOS itself, most of them run on Rosetta 2… I am still confused why He didn’t even mention this…
@user many people do, especially the demographic of this channel, I surely don't give a fuck, all of the issues I had on my laptops were in the charging port, which is modular on MacBooks, but lots of people care about repairing their pcs, just because you or me don't doesn't mean that nobody does
Regarding storage, some people pointed out that a) a custom microsd to SD adapter could fit a 1 or down the line even 2TB card that sits flush with the macbook chassis and b) this has thunderbolt 4 which is ridiculously fast so external drives that are obviously much cheaper than the internal storage can also be used. And since this is a pro-grade machine most pros already are used to an external drive scenario where they, say edit stuff on their onboard storage and then offload it to maybe a NAS or just external hard drives for archival. Also some professionals usually have a work station setup where they can have their macbook with an external drive plugged in at all times and hooked up to a monitor at their office desk.
At least this time the fact that memory is soldered onto the main board is justified. Definitely an interesting machine, but I don't have enough kidneys to sell for that thing.
The hardware for these MacBooks is sick, and is the only thing holding me back from going Linux outright. I really wish there was a laptop out there with a similar form factor as the MacBook Pro.
As someone who has studied ARM processors and assembly, they're objectively better than x86…I just worry about the fact it's still proprietary and additionally what that spells for software compatibility. Now if we had RISCV processors, that's an architecture with some bite. Open source too.
I’m ok with just using VMware for Linux and Windows. I’m really excited they brought back HDMI too. Nowadays, I run MacOS and Linux VM at the same time when I’m DJing. My mixer’s app works better in Linux than it does in macos. So I’ll have the VMware window running on my portable LCD monitor and my DJ software running natively on my Mac. The mixer also has an ipad app, so it’s nice having a backup app if something goes haywire.
@@qihaho Apple has a proprietary VM (paid one obviously) that allows you to run windows and linux. Don't ask the name, i don't remember it, just search how to install windows/linux on M1 and you will get some videos.
I personally like Mac OS. It's a decent middle-ground between Linux and Windows. I have last year's 13in MacBook Pro and I am pretty happy with it: The battery really is incredible, and optimized apps work good (i.e. apps optimized for M1). Unoptimized apps on the other hand make it sound like it's a helicopter about to take off.
m1 didn't kill linux, linux is just not as well supported on it because its new hardware and doesn't follow the standards so it might need different kind of graphics drivers and cpu schedulers because of its unorthodox chip design and memory management. people from asahi linux are already working on drivers for m1 macs. you can boot linux and use it pretty well but its lacking hardware acceleration.
I have a 2020 m1 that I actually really like, I use it for all my normie tasks and I only have to charge it like once every four days or so. Can't speak to the performance on epic gamer tasks, but if you can stomach macOS the shit's fuckin good.
9:46 that's kind of true. You also have to consider the display. XDR up to 120 Hz. For most of us that's overkill, but I guess I'm also not the target audience of the MacBook Pro
again wrong 2012 retina was when they started soldering RAM. you could still buy the pre-retina MacBook Pro for a long time but the specs were frozen in time at 2012 specs
to be precise here: all A1278 and A1286 models were RAM and storage upgradable, the following A1398 and A1502 had only upgradable storage, that has proprietary M.2 connectors. If we‘re talking MacBook Air, the A1466 are the exact same as the A1398 in terms of upgrades, while the 2018 models had no upgradability at all.
I was impressed on seeing the performance comparisons on Apple Event. I head over to you website and they were comparing M1 Max/Pro with a "Modern Cpu" with 4 CORES. Also there were a lot of spec differences.
At this point, when it comes to workloads on laptops, remote computing is probably the best option. Just need to create ssh/scp script for different programs. Otherwise, a laptop should have enough power to play esports games at the screen's refresh rate and be responsive in using a web browser.
Usually I like the ARM-based SoC's. However, actually many of them are flooded of blobs and almost no-one haves their drivers with the 100% of source code, which makes much more difficult to use them in open-source OS's like OpenBSD and even GNU/Linux.
Maybe you won't do a heavy load task while on the train, but you might once you get to a quiet and peaceful location with a power outlet : ) Someone mentioned programming is not a demanding task, and yes it depends on the kind of task you are doing, but I suggest most experienced programmers get the best machine out there, you won't regret it, once starting all those emulators, IDEs, containers, VMs, tools, StackOverflow tabs, etc.. the "basic" computer quickly gets to its limits :D I'm just worried about the non-replaceable storage, as it's not about whether it will die but when, ...and then you can't just swap it out and continue work in 2h but you'll need to hand out your gear to some strangers at the apple repair service and wait for days.
You basically covered all the same thoughts I had on it, though I'd like to add one extra (that I don't believe you mentioned). All solid state storage has a lifespan in terms of write cycles with current technology. Which means as soon as you start using your expensive new macbook pro, the clock is tickling. After five years or so, you'll definitely be looking at a performance downgrade and if you're really unlucky the drive will cease to be usable at all if you drove it really hard. This is normal and expected. What isn't normal is it being soldered on. You can't replace this. I keep devices running for as long as I can, and I swap out broken or work out parts. The unrepairable MBPs are just future bricks.
2:42 Why would you ever buy a Macbook Pro just to install Linux on it? With macOS you still have a POSIX system and access to the major nix tools but you also get first-class support for Apple hardware, a highly polished desktop environment, Apple's developer tools, and access to most major proprietary applications like MS Office and the Adobe suite. The only software I can immediately think of that can run on Linux and that I wish I could run on a macOS Macbook Pro is maybe some of Intel's tools.
In my country the cheapest one is close to 5000 USD and since the minimum wage here is less than 200 USD a month it would take more than two years of a minimum wage worker's salary to buy the cheapest Macbook
Not going to lie it's impressive, but Apple works to closely with the feds and the whole scanning photos for CP thing throws me off. However, I'll choose this over windows 11.
@@priyanshusharma1812 yeah same, I'll even consider buying one if privacy advocates find or create some major tweaks. It is running Unix after all so let's see what happens.
@@lol109109 oh yeah the classic only wrongdoers would be worried argument. Which requires ignoring the potential for a violations of privacy, false positives, and the slippery slope. Basically that's a poor argument and besides it's possible to care about privacy while having nothing bad to hide. That's the case for many Linux user's and primacy advocates.
Oh, my wife was completely appalled when Apple switched TO intel. She swore she would never get an intel Mac as long as she lived. And she didn't. A year after she died in 2013 I got a 13" MacBook Pro (mid-2012), the last one with ALL the ports AND an internal DVD drive. It worked well, but it got hot. REALLY hot! I began to see that my wife may have actually been right. Now I'm looking at getting an M1 Mac mini or maybe MacBook Air. macOS is based on FreeBSD (just with a really fancy window manager) and was actually Certified Unix with the "Leopard" and "Snow Leopard" releases of Mac OS X. Open the Terminal and see for yourself. What can you do in Linux that you CAN'T do in macOS? Use MacPorts (or HomeBrew) to add anything you're missing.
installing and upgrading it on every machine, new, old, generic or specific-purpose. tailor it to your liking. not having to pay apple any royalties because all I need is freely at my complete disposal. By the way, does MacOs have something like AUR?
The M1 MAX is literal $6,000 PS5 with no Raytracing support as of right now. That's cool to know about, especially in a laptop but I don't I'll ever get one cause of the lack of Linux/Windows Apple Silicon support and the price.
@@galdutro Speaking of Gaming, I know Apple Arcade devs and users are gonna have a field day with this. They can finally play games at Ultra settings now.
Just wanted to add a comment to: "Why would someone want so much power on a laptop, even tho will use it at a desk" . I am one of these users (I don't use Macs but a powerful laptop). The reason is simply portability, is not that I need to run it on a train or something like that, but because I travel and move often and I don't want (and in many cases can't) carry a desktop with me. Great video tho.
I think it would be great for them if they added bare metal linux support, huge amount of nerds would buy this stuff, and not that much of an extra cost to port linux on it
Specwise? Maybe. However because it's apple thus actually getting a chance to repair and or change it is twenty times harder than it needs to be? My verdict: 'I ain't buying it.'
“Just how portable does a computer this powerful need to be?” Well music professionals on tour could use that portable power, as do movie professionals working from home. TH-camrs traveling also use it so they can edit, export, and publish while out of the house so they don’t miss uploads. Journalists also can use that when covering events. Students in 3D Graphics design could also use its portability in between classes. I can go on
I agree with you - the hardware is impressive - however the fact it can only run MacOS makes it no appealing to me. Hopefully other manufacturers will compete with M1 chips and produce something more 'open' that can handle Windows/Linux. Think there is a company called Nuvia (or someting similar) that comprises of ex-apple chip designers and they are working on a chip which should be released next year or in 2 years. Would be interesting to see more competition in this ARM space
MO, about the video you made 2 weeks ago about Amazon Astro. There is recent news about Amazon smart speaker (alexa) recorded more than 3500 audio clips along with her personal contacts and exact locations. I found it funny that people still dont care about it and still want to buy them.
Introducing new "arm and a leg" architecture from Apple. We give you the arm, you give us the leg, plus another couple thousand dollars for good measure
Here's my take If portability is what you need, the M1 air is a better deal than the M1 Pro or Max Macbooks. The lowest spec 14" might also be a good deal, just for the ports alone. But anything above is just too expensive. You get all that performance in a small form factor, but who the hell would do such tasks on a 14" or 16" display? As good as those XDR displays are, they're still small and you wouldn't use them for a prolonged period of time. Then comes the Apple ecosystem trap: you wanna do all that stuff on an external display (which already defeats the entire purpose of portability), you don't just go buy a random 4K monitor. You'd have to buy a large XDR Pro Ultra Max whatever display of that same quality. There you are, spending a ton of extra money for that. Since you're sitting at a desk, you might wanna buy peripherals and stuff. There you are, spending extra money again. I'd say a more entry level device is better, it's still very capable and efficient but it won't replace your workstation, which is fine. Get an air for working on a train, doing casual stuff like browsing when you're on your bed, doing lighter work comfortably when your main workstation is busy rendering, etc. Save the rest of the money for a 3090 lol
I mean, if you don't have a powerful pc already, if you end up working on a desk just build a Threadripper workstation for that same price. You'll have access to upgrades in the future if you need to. And you can install Linux on it, most importantly
I honestly kinda want this thing. If I had money to burn this would be in my hands. And my reasoning may seem weird, but when you think about it, it's pretty sound. When I make decisions on my electronics, on a per-device basis, if I'm going to consoom, I do it all the way and with the best consoomer option. If I'm not going the consoomer route all the way, I'm not going the consoomer route at all. Apple's stuff doesn't try to leech into my non-Apple-connected stuff like certain... OTHER... consoomer options... So it ends up being my pick among consoomer options.
Last year I needed a laptop for school, and I did some research and bought the 2015 MacBook Pro used for $500. I bought it because of its upgradability and I didn’t want the scissor switches everyone complains about on the 2016. This machine is still super quick, and I honestly don’t see any point in buying anything newer unless you really need high performance for editing or something in that nature. It’s funny to see Apple basically admit they are wrong for taking away all the essential ports though 🤣
It look really cool but that fact it's not upgrable and not compatible with Linux make it less interesting, I'm fine with OSX but the last version of it I used is almost 18 years old so I think it changed a lot lol
In 2021 I don't think that should be any I/O accept to USB Type-C, 🔌⚡ actually that should be the case a few years ago, if every new device was created with only Type-C today no one was remembered that there is a different I/O and everybody only used and needed one cable. One Cable to rule them all, One Cable to find them, One Cable to bring them all and in the glory bind them.
id rather see expansion cards come back because then you can choose between having usb c or having regular ports or having more storage or a small graphics card or even charging all while keeping everything sitting flush usb c will never be magsafe
Personally I’m all in as long as it performs up to par with at least dells xps lineup but with better battery but there’s no way I’m paying extra for storage. It’s really not that hard to integrate a NAS into your fs. Fortunately apple doesn’t make that impossible on Mac OS. I’m def going to load Linux on as soon as graphics support is there. In the meantime I have my Pinebook pro to quench my aarch64 Linux thirst.
9:30 the new MacBook SSDs are 7.4 Gbyte/s (seq. read of course), so they are among the fastest on the market pretty much every highend apple product that I can think of always had the fastest available storage, the iPhone storage is also ridiculously fast
The way you said the touchbar is would suggest that there are no F keys, but there actually are, you just have to press the fn button on the bottom left of the keyboard. It isn’t really a problem since i can just set up functions that I use on the touchbar, and if I really need the F buttons i always have the fn key. And I believe the touchbar has around 120Hz sample rate and I jitter clicked on it a few times actually And there are benefits, you can place all your shortcuts in there
A really good conclusion regards the situation with Apple hardware. It's interesting but at the same time more closed than any machine with Windows preinstalled currently. However I am much more interested in seeing RISC-V laptops coming in the next years because those will probably be designed to run GNU/Linux and it could have adjustments to perform really good in specific tasks but with a more open architecture. Also it would spread different architectures getting used which will ultimately help free software overall. Because people don't want to learn new software all the time depending on which machine they're using. So free software which is more likely being compatible with x86, ARM, RISC-V and different variants might be able to overtake some commercial software.
@@luxraider5384 I dunno... Ryzen CPUs have the USB 3.XX Controller (I think its USB 3.2) build right into the cpu with no chipset in between so pretty sure they will Support external gpus just fine.
hey just a note about the lack of windows support on m1 macbooks, thats microsofts fault, not apples. apple said theyre open to the idea, but microsoft hasnt done anything to make windows compatible with the new chips
to run Linux on M1 take a look at the Asahi Linux project, it is still work in progress but its really promising, guy does a lot of live streaming/coding
M1 battery under workload, at least with my experience (200-500 samples blender cycles animation rendering) is “good”. It only really reduces the battery life by an hour or so, and most of the time you don’t even need the screen brightness up.
The OS lock is more important than upgradability, because m1 devices are built like iphones, so even if they allow it, there's no easy way to upgrade components like a PC.
I know a guy with a 2020 macbook pro with an i9 and 255gb storage. As soon as he stops using that, that motherboard is basically ewaste. I wish they would just give us an nvme slot.
0:17 wow this is my exact machine! What luck! I've had it for years. Apple just ceased OS updates for it. I wonder if they are pushing people to “upgrade”?
In your final argument, you miss the factor of putting your charger into your bag and getting energy from somewhere else, but I agree, the storage is way too expensive.
About running GNU/Linux on these machines. Are you aware of Asahi Linux? Hector Martin has been working very hard on it. They had Debian running on the Mac mini the other day. They're still doing stuff, but it's coming along pretty nicely. Check out his channel. He often streams up to 9 hours while working on Asahi Linux.
"No Tux no Bux"
Couldn't say it better
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That's me when someone tells me to dual boot to play valorant
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Yes lol
The feature that imho is being overlooked the most in these new macbooks is the headphone jack. If apple's claims of it being able to support high-impedance headphones are true, this could be a total game changer for music producers and audiophiles. I've never used a laptop for music production because they usually need an external amp in order to work with high-end headphones which defeats the purpose of getting a portable device to begin with, but i'm starting to think this might be my next machine once it makes its way into the used market and the linux support gets fully fleshed out
Heck yeah id love to see a proper DAC in there and a real headphone amp.
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The problem with onboard audio chips isn't really the tecnical specifications, but more the amount of noise and interference you get from putting the audio components near the rest of the board. I've run a pair of HD600s just fine on a 2012 macbook air, but its a pretty noticable difference in sound quality from a proper external DAC.
@@nicky9801 how are you even getting any audio from a pair of 300ohm headphones on a laptop? Do you keep it at 100% volume all the time? No offense i'm genuinely curious
see ashai linux
I‘d rather buy Apple shares than buying any of their products.
I like their phones and tablets as those are devices I don’t wish to mod… I just need them to work. And work consistently. Plus these days security wise I believe Apple responds faster. But for laptops/computers in general.. I want freedom to do as I wish.
For me not even the shares. I don't support companies that bend their asses to totalitarian regimes like China, or lobby for slave labor.
@@elimgarak3597 Indeed, same here, which is also why I am not buying any of the Pine64 products even though they are open source friendly since they are based out of China you know never know what kind of hold CCP has or might be able to have on them. I am waiting for non-Chinese manufacturers to offer similar products, till then I am sticking with whatever hardware I already have but with Linux on them(both phone and PC).
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Who else just wants either arm based or better yet risc-v general laptops on the market with no management engine that we can install Linux on?
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a dream
dont even gotta be arm or riscv, just drop hypervisors and im happy
Pinebook Pro
@@abujessica Risc-V is open source, less licensing for companies to have to deal with. It’s a hell of alot more likely than Nvidia owned ARM.
A point about the unified memory: Yes, they have to share it, but the architecture gives the GPU direct access to that entire address space. That means no overhead spent moving data from RAM to VRAM as you have on every system with a discrete GPU (and the concomitant rise in system RAM that comes from that).
Still crap because of lack of repairability so definitely not on my own list, ever, but meh.
@@kexec. ...how so?
@@kexec. no it doesn't lmao memory refreshes every clock cycle regardless if it's being used or not. The M1 will have negligible effect on RAM life expectancy at it's worst. Every processor with integrated graphics already uses system RAM as video buffer minus those freak AMD Intel Hybrid SoCs
Question, so is this the same as AMD where if you have a current AMD CPU and GPU, they can move data from RAM to VRAM with no overhead?
Shared memory or unified memory indeed brings advantages against a cpu + discrete gpu combo. I can imagine this might help at least against micro stutters in games.
But a discrete GPU usually uses special GDDR Ram with low latencies, which is much faster than the usual DDR Ram, a CPU is bound to. So it depends on what type of RAM the new M1 chips are combined with.
Beyond that AMD came up with direct memory access. This and direct storage access are being expected to compensate the drawbacks of physically distanced chips. HBM memory, directly bound to the GPU is also a means to make things faster and more efficient. Overall AMD's plans for a chiplet brings the PC closer to a SoC design like apple's M1 and basically all smartphone chips.
@@whirlwind872 in that case you're still going through pcie4, I think
This is an apu, so the physical lanes are shared between cores, without having to go through the north bridge
"No Tux no Bux"
I have something to add to that
"Schematics or die"
I see a man of culture
I mean, which laptop manufacturer releases schematics?
I'm genuinely curious
@@michelepiocurci7924 Framework releases schematics to verified independent repairmen/businesses
@@RyanRoadReaper my bad, I thought you were talking about releasing the schematics freely, making them accessible to anyone
@@michelepiocurci7924 they *should* be available to *everyone* who wants to attempt to repair their own device. But, to alleviate IP concerns, Framework does it in a way that they feel comfortable with.
Not getting it for alot of the reasons people have already stated, Apples practices being the major one, but this is very promising for the future of computer hardware.
The next few steps will to first see if others can make ARM chips in laptops with this level of performace, and then see if RISC-V can do the same (Intel with SiFive but hopefully even more manufacturers will join in).
I know people talk down on RISC-V saying it won't become big and be a replacement for x86 just because of compatibility among other reasons, but Apple proved that with Rossetta 2 that the leap can be (mostly) seamless.
It might be possible to off load x86 applications to an fpga as well
The only thing I applaud Apple for. Something actually innovative and not greedy, Like removing Headphone jack and callong it the way of the future or preventing sideloading of apps on IOS.
Yes, practices. I agree that Apple comes with the best hardware for the general public.
But personally, I just can't trust them anymore, at so many levels.
OpenPOWER is the future
@@hansfelder3421 What is openpower ?
A hardware that is unable to run Free Software is as useless as its closed source OS.
The Linux port on the MacBook has come pretty far actually.
linux libre chads rise up, I dont want to see the word propriety in the changelog!
Apple: but Darwin is oPeN SouRcE!!!
As much as I can get behind the sentiment here, I have to disagree. I really hope the Linux port comes along quickly and breaks the dependence on MacOS, but the hardware and software is objectively just not useless as closed source. And not nearly as inconvenient for software development as Windows. For most Linux devs it would offer an extremely similar workflow and overall experience.
To add to that there are fairly few manufacturers that offer Linux support out of the box. Most Linux ports for obscure hardware are written by volunteers. So it takes some time for those volunteers to do their work. I highly encourage you to contribute to those efforts for devices that you would like Linux to run on.
As I see it, it has four main issues.
1) price
2) repairability/upgradeability
3) USB-A
4) MacOS
@air pods nah it's not fine considering the fact that it's next to impossible to upgrade your laptop when you want to so if you want to max it out from the beginning to accommodate with that you gotta pay a lot of money
5) notch, rounded screen corners
@@HussainBarajaa memory and storage whise yes, but it's the same for all other components in other laptops
@@tacticalautism3803 notch doesn’t affect regular media viewing, if anything it only obscures the menu bar. And the rounded corners are, again, at the top and don’t affect usage at all. Ofc it has issues, but that is the most nitpicky bullshit I’ve ever heard
Its insanely expensive, probably cant really be repared DIY, still lacks ports and runs MacOS. So yeah its kinda shit imo.
Great Hardware just double the justified price and there should be a no OS option.
I feel like the argument about portability could be reversed: there are literally no laptops available currently that can run any respectable workload on battery for any good amount of time, so ofc people would only do these workloads on a desktop at home. But now it’s seems possible (waiting for the test results next week when reviewers get their hands on it) and I think it’s quite insane and means these workloads aren’t stuck for just at home or on workstation anymore, so it’s definitely a definitive edge that isn’t pointless imo
Honestly, is this really an issue for people? Maybe I just don't spend as much time traveling with a laptop open as other people but I can't see the need to regularly run heavy workloads on a laptop on battery.
I think maybe I view portability a bit different (as in compact form factor. I travel and move houses often and the ability to have a powerful machine that s not that hard to carry around is great. So the battery is not an issue for me as I use it plugged while still taking advantage of the portability.
This thing with apple is getting frustrating. Anytime apple does ANYTHING, eventually a couple companies are going to follow them.
It makes me wonder if it's because of those non-tech savy people who simply REFUSE go learn and want something so ridiculously simple, that some standard settings fall under the "advanced" menu and some of the advanced settings get pulled altogether.
Lets just give the peasants no settings at all.
many things i took for granted back in the day are gone now, even on linux. Now it is very difficult to find a video converter that scales resolution and bitrate for example. great shame
@@svenbenglen7599 ffmpeg?
@@BiFotLy oh yeah forgot about that
People follow Apple because they give a shit about UX. Linux will never get anywhere on that front because most of the people on it gatekeep by flexing how much time they waste on the simplest shit and acting like being able to follow directions on Arch Wiki is some kind of Nobel Prize winning accomplishment. How hard is it for Linux developers to pull their own heads out of their asses and make a simple default experience and leave in advanced configuration files or command line arguments for the power users?
I preordered one for my wifes son, he's excited.
Umm....Your wife's son ? I don't mean to be rude, But I'm confused with that wording....
@@darkushippotoxotai9536 that's the joke
@@theodiscusgaming3909 maybe he just married a woman with kids
@@coffeedude no, 'my wife's son' is a common meme
So, they removed features, made customers pay more (through adapters), and added them back by making customers pay even more.
And improved some performance.
Create a problem, solve it, then call it innovation
Ikr “some”
@@NightDoge Then remove them again and solve again. Repeat for several decades and you get free profit. Sounds like a good plan.
@@NightDoge I mean to be fair they didn't solve it neither did they call it innovation. They tried to force USB C down everybody's throat but it didn't work out as they expected since usually every company copies everything Apple does (just looking at the audio port on iPhones or not including a charger). Would've been great if the market shifted to the likings of Apple since you would only need one port only for literally everything except for SD cards but it didn't and you honestly can't blame them for trying since Thunderbolt is quite capable and it seemed like the future at the time. They've accepted their mistake and now brought the other ports back and still you complaining. Like dude what do you expect them to do? Write you a apology letter?
Asahi linux os one project to keep an eye on as far as Apple silicon is considered.
Once that works we can get other distros to hopefully.
But ideally would love such an efficient and powerful chip from Qualcomm or even Intel with riscv hopefully in a framework laptop 💻
Was about to demand mo mention asahi in a standalone video
Bless the guys at Jupiter Broadcasting for talking about Asahi so much. It’s quite cool, even if I have no interest in getting that thing.
And indeed those contributions will probably help in general. System76 was on their podcast talking about how they’re working on the Pi, and targeting ARM and RISC-V going forward.
Look up the pinebook, it's basically what you're asking for
The pinebook is severely underpowered. You can't compare pineapples with apples
Based UwU
“No tux, no bux” Perfect
Have an M1 and like it, heavy nerd tasks (compiling, virtualization etc) run fast and the computer doesn’t get much hot
But yea one can’t deny that apple does things that make no sense from a technical perspective
and no fan so never have to repair it !!
@@yes-vy6bn just when your ssd that's soldered dies so you have to change the whole board
@@ThiagoLc06 you realize some people can overlook those downsides and still get a LOT out of macOS and macbooks right?
It makes no sense to have a 5k laptop with storage that can't be replaced, once the memory degrades you essentially have to throw it out. M1 is cool though.
It makes sense for Apple's predatory "faux eco friendly" walled garden business ethos.
"M1 is cool though" is it? It's basically a beefed up phone processor. It is arm based after all. It's kinda hard to properly compare with x86 because it's a completely different architecture. I.e. it's easier to make an arm processor faster but the same code also takes more instructions to get executed so you have to make it faster enough that it balances that out.
Plus using a different architecture than everyone else in the computer world locks the platform down so much that you're very unlikely to get support on any application outside of what apple itself makes along with large companies that can afford to port apps.
If you ever wanna get out of the apple ecosystem that processor will severely restrain you.
@@tfwmemedumpster this is true, i have an 8gb macbook pro, and if i was to buy parallels to use other operating systems (or any other VM, it’s just that parallels supports GPU acceleration) it would be stuck with 4gb of RAM, which isn’t enough. rosetta2 is a complete lifesaver though
@@tfwmemedumpster > so you have to make it faster to balance it out
Mate you’re speaking about something you have no clue about, that is not what is happening with ARM and RISC does not work the way you think
@@Sandeep-cz7ls lol ikr. arm and risc processors are even used on supercomputers, yet this moron is calling arm processors "beefed up phone processors". literally gave himself away as being unknowledgeable to the architecture itself.
give it time the open source community always finds a way through the power of teamwork
i heard they actually got ubuntu to work which is nice
i would prefer linux mint tho
GNU/Linux *does* run on M1! A lot of kernel work is already implemented and tons of graphics stuff (Mesa) is done as well. The last time I checked, Marcan (the main dev behind Asahi Linux) was implementing power management stuff and upstreaming a few earlier drivers too. The next thing to write is afaik the GPU kernel code.
Apart from that Sven Peter is working on various peripherals - e.g. the old PASemi I²C driver now supports the M1 (and possibly all the iPhones). Still, there are some critical bits missing (I don't think there's an internal storage driver yet) but that's not an impossible task.
Finally since these various devices share the same SoC, work from one directly translates to others. They're focusing on the Mac mini because it's the simples and most accessible one. You can better manage it physically, easily use it with a capture card, not care about any laptop-specific stuff and even open it up to do some multimeter debugging. Afair directly measuring pin voltages on the board proved useful when implementing power-gating drivers or something.
And when it comes to M1 Pro and Max, if these only differ in core counts and similar parameters, the only changes required for their support would be device tree updates.
And even if it's more complex then that, all the work currently done can be extended forward relatively easily!
There is a project that is successfully getting linux to run on M1. It isn't near ready for regular desktop use, but they are working on drivers and seem to be on track to have linux running on it fully in the future.
If I was doing hi res video editing and rendering on the go, sure. That's really the only use case I can imagine for this thing specifically.
Super future proofing mabye
For $5000, you might as well get a powerful desktop rig, and if you need the portability, a decent low to mid-tier laptop you can use to remote into your desktop.
@@acdi33 video editing with remote desktop?? hell nah, its laggy to switch between frames because of youre no directly look on your hardware
Hardware is there. We just need Microsoft to fully have an ARM version licensed so that bootcamp can work again. But any articles on that don't shed light on their decisions. As for Linux, i'm pretty sure that there are teams that have made it close to Linux running natively on the M1 macbooks a while ago. Probably will be cemented to run natively within the next year or so. A good time since that's when Apple will complete the transition to silicon hardware
@Vinícius Felipe Posselt ye bootcamp and dual booting in general doesn't work **yet**. ARM architecture is still something "new" for developers to adapt to since no other company before the M1 chip had success with it so developers didn't bother. The drawback now isn't Apple, so to say. It's on Microsoft to license ARM Windows and for Linux to have the community support to build versions that will run natively on these chips
Microsoft will kill windows, its garbage os
It will never work.
You aren’t gonna tap into the neural engine and encoders/decoders and optimized unified gpu/cpu memory. That requires OS support.
It will work in a half ass way for sure but you will never be able to fully access the hardware.
This is why running natively on MACBOOK is a stupid endeavour.
Just run it on VM. Problem solved.
It will still be light years after than all your laptops 👨💻
Apple controls both the sw and the hw. M$ doesn't, the original "IBM/PC" is an open architecture, meaning there's a lot of hw to deal with. Even if they manage to properly run Windows on Macs, there remains the issue of drivers from manufacturers (incidentally that's the same hindrance with Linux). Though I don't know much about ARM/Windows hw support.
However if the use case is only Windows on Mac without additional hw, there's hope eventually.
There is the Asahi Linux project which their goal is to document the M1 chip, get Linux bootable on M1 devices (which they did, Apple still allows unsigned OSes on their ARM Macs) and finally make it actually practical to daily drive Linux on M1 Macs.
Honestly, if this supported Linux fully, I'd have no issue calling it the best laptop money can buy, that's assuming it actually performs as well as Apple says it does.
Tbh at this point i rarely need Linux for anything. Everything "just werks" on Mac os for me
@@wojtek8660 bro what do you do when you need to use a usb
@@vic44rd i... don't? most USB drives I have are USB C and most files transferred between my phone and my Mac are through airdrop or iCloud. no need for a thumb drive, if I need to transfer something via cable the iPhones cable's end is USB C so... meh.
Arm is still kind of a new platform for new desktops, so, Linux doesn’t support it yet, it’s the same story for a lot of apps in MacOS itself, most of them run on Rosetta 2…
I am still confused why He didn’t even mention this…
@@hilal_younus i have M1 MacBook and I don't have any problems with it. Not a single app broke for me
it'll never be great as long as its as locked down as much as it is.
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@user many people do, especially the demographic of this channel, I surely don't give a fuck, all of the issues I had on my laptops were in the charging port, which is modular on MacBooks, but lots of people care about repairing their pcs, just because you or me don't doesn't mean that nobody does
I'm just waiting for a Ryzen based Framework laptop. #RightToRepair
I am waiting for Framework :(
(Europe)
@@android-user it sucks that Europe gets treated as second class when it comes to tech releases.
@@Will-sc3hw Russia: What are tech releases?
Regarding storage, some people pointed out that a) a custom microsd to SD adapter could fit a 1 or down the line even 2TB card that sits flush with the macbook chassis and b) this has thunderbolt 4 which is ridiculously fast so external drives that are obviously much cheaper than the internal storage can also be used. And since this is a pro-grade machine most pros already are used to an external drive scenario where they, say edit stuff on their onboard storage and then offload it to maybe a NAS or just external hard drives for archival. Also some professionals usually have a work station setup where they can have their macbook with an external drive plugged in at all times and hooked up to a monitor at their office desk.
At least this time the fact that memory is soldered onto the main board is justified. Definitely an interesting machine, but I don't have enough kidneys to sell for that thing.
that unified memory is like the memory on my commodore 64 right next to me, we are coming full circle
The hardware for these MacBooks is sick, and is the only thing holding me back from going Linux outright. I really wish there was a laptop out there with a similar form factor as the MacBook Pro.
They are crap tho
Agree like I can run a Linux VM ok on my Mac I still would like to be able to duel boot on it
As someone who has studied ARM processors and assembly, they're objectively better than x86…I just worry about the fact it's still proprietary and additionally what that spells for software compatibility.
Now if we had RISCV processors, that's an architecture with some bite. Open source too.
Also I found RISCV easier to develop but that's just me.
OpenBSD runs on RISC-V ;)
@@Rustyuoiman not just you my friend! SiFive is insane with their documentation. They have daily live webinars on everything.
@@ErikUden OpenBSD also doesnt glow in the dark, possibly its greates feature.
@@Rustyuoiman I also write a basic kernel for RISC-V
I’m ok with just using VMware for Linux and Windows. I’m really excited they brought back HDMI too. Nowadays, I run MacOS and Linux VM at the same time when I’m DJing. My mixer’s app works better in Linux than it does in macos. So I’ll have the VMware window running on my portable LCD monitor and my DJ software running natively on my Mac. The mixer also has an ipad app, so it’s nice having a backup app if something goes haywire.
@@qihaho Apple has a proprietary VM (paid one obviously) that allows you to run windows and linux. Don't ask the name, i don't remember it, just search how to install windows/linux on M1 and you will get some videos.
The ports seem to be individually connected to the logicboard, looking forward to seeing where this new design leads us in the years to come.
I personally like Mac OS. It's a decent middle-ground between Linux and Windows.
I have last year's 13in MacBook Pro and I am pretty happy with it: The battery really is incredible, and optimized apps work good (i.e. apps optimized for M1).
Unoptimized apps on the other hand make it sound like it's a helicopter about to take off.
m1 didn't kill linux, linux is just not as well supported on it because its new hardware and doesn't follow the standards so it might need different kind of graphics drivers and cpu schedulers because of its unorthodox chip design and memory management. people from asahi linux are already working on drivers for m1 macs. you can boot linux and use it pretty well but its lacking hardware acceleration.
but apple also hadn't released any drivers. Than that's essentialy not caring about its death
I have a 2020 m1 that I actually really like, I use it for all my normie tasks and I only have to charge it like once every four days or so. Can't speak to the performance on epic gamer tasks, but if you can stomach macOS the shit's fuckin good.
Runescape runs like butter on it btw
It’s the best laptop I’ve ever owned honestly.
I’ve had all the thinkbooks and MacBooks and the M1 air takes the cake
9:46 that's kind of true.
You also have to consider the display. XDR up to 120 Hz. For most of us that's overkill, but I guess I'm also not the target audience of the MacBook Pro
0:41 on 2015 model you can only upgrade storage, the RAM was soldered on.
2014 model had both ram and storage upgradable
again wrong 2012 retina was when they started soldering RAM. you could still buy the pre-retina MacBook Pro for a long time but the specs were frozen in time at 2012 specs
to be precise here: all A1278 and A1286 models were RAM and storage upgradable, the following A1398 and A1502 had only upgradable storage, that has proprietary M.2 connectors. If we‘re talking MacBook Air, the A1466 are the exact same as the A1398 in terms of upgrades, while the 2018 models had no upgradability at all.
I was impressed on seeing the performance comparisons on Apple Event. I head over to you website and they were comparing M1 Max/Pro with a "Modern Cpu" with 4 CORES. Also there were a lot of spec differences.
At this point, when it comes to workloads on laptops, remote computing is probably the best option. Just need to create ssh/scp script for different programs. Otherwise, a laptop should have enough power to play esports games at the screen's refresh rate and be responsive in using a web browser.
Usually I like the ARM-based SoC's. However, actually many of them are flooded of blobs and almost no-one haves their drivers with the 100% of source code, which makes much more difficult to use them in open-source OS's like OpenBSD and even GNU/Linux.
Apple managed to fix problems made by them in the first place. Makes you think.
Maybe you won't do a heavy load task while on the train, but you might once you get to a quiet and peaceful location with a power outlet : ) Someone mentioned programming is not a demanding task, and yes it depends on the kind of task you are doing, but I suggest most experienced programmers get the best machine out there, you won't regret it, once starting all those emulators, IDEs, containers, VMs, tools, StackOverflow tabs, etc.. the "basic" computer quickly gets to its limits :D
I'm just worried about the non-replaceable storage, as it's not about whether it will die but when, ...and then you can't just swap it out and continue work in 2h but you'll need to hand out your gear to some strangers at the apple repair service and wait for days.
To be honest, Steve would be proud imho
"Itoddlers get BTFO" - Satania poster
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You basically covered all the same thoughts I had on it, though I'd like to add one extra (that I don't believe you mentioned). All solid state storage has a lifespan in terms of write cycles with current technology. Which means as soon as you start using your expensive new macbook pro, the clock is tickling. After five years or so, you'll definitely be looking at a performance downgrade and if you're really unlucky the drive will cease to be usable at all if you drove it really hard. This is normal and expected. What isn't normal is it being soldered on. You can't replace this. I keep devices running for as long as I can, and I swap out broken or work out parts. The unrepairable MBPs are just future bricks.
Tl;dr ARM is fucking cool. Apple does overprice things and has weird hoops to jump through still
Thank you for the TLDR kind stranger!!! Have some Reddit gold!!!!!!!
@@KaiusKC shut it with the reddit
2:42 Why would you ever buy a Macbook Pro just to install Linux on it? With macOS you still have a POSIX system and access to the major nix tools but you also get first-class support for Apple hardware, a highly polished desktop environment, Apple's developer tools, and access to most major proprietary applications like MS Office and the Adobe suite. The only software I can immediately think of that can run on Linux and that I wish I could run on a macOS Macbook Pro is maybe some of Intel's tools.
In my country the cheapest one is close to 5000 USD and since the minimum wage here is less than 200 USD a month it would take more than two years of a minimum wage worker's salary to buy the cheapest Macbook
Lemme guess, Romania.... Right ?
@@darkushippotoxotai9536 Brazil
Why are you comparing minimum wage tho. It never makes sense to me when people compare minimum wage to luxury product prices.
Their recent decision to scan your photo library is a big no no for me.
They only scan what you sync to iCloud, just don’t sync to iCloud and ur good
Not going to lie it's impressive, but Apple works to closely with the feds and the whole scanning photos for CP thing throws me off. However, I'll choose this over windows 11.
If it gets Linux support, I might actually buy a macbook.
@@priyanshusharma1812 yeah same, I'll even consider buying one if privacy advocates find or create some major tweaks. It is running Unix after all so let's see what happens.
I choose neither and instead Linux.
If you're worried about photos getting scanned for cp... That sounds like a problem on your end, not apple's lmao
@@lol109109 oh yeah the classic only wrongdoers would be worried argument. Which requires ignoring the potential for a violations of privacy, false positives, and the slippery slope. Basically that's a poor argument and besides it's possible to care about privacy while having nothing bad to hide. That's the case for many Linux user's and primacy advocates.
USB C Hell? I feel like Ive been stuck in USB A Hell for way too long…
Oh, my wife was completely appalled when Apple switched TO intel. She swore she would never get an intel Mac as long as she lived. And she didn't.
A year after she died in 2013 I got a 13" MacBook Pro (mid-2012), the last one with ALL the ports AND an internal DVD drive.
It worked well, but it got hot. REALLY hot! I began to see that my wife may have actually been right.
Now I'm looking at getting an M1 Mac mini or maybe MacBook Air.
macOS is based on FreeBSD (just with a really fancy window manager) and was actually Certified Unix with the "Leopard" and "Snow Leopard" releases of Mac OS X.
Open the Terminal and see for yourself.
What can you do in Linux that you CAN'T do in macOS?
Use MacPorts (or HomeBrew) to add anything you're missing.
Sorry for your loss mate. She sounded nice.
oh I can think of a few...
@@rawmaterials3909 - f'rinstance?
installing and upgrading it on every machine, new, old, generic or specific-purpose. tailor it to your liking. not having to pay apple any royalties because all I need is freely at my complete disposal. By the way, does MacOs have something like AUR?
my dog died last year. maybe it's time for me to get an M1 macbook.
The M1 MAX is literal $6,000 PS5 with no Raytracing support as of right now. That's cool to know about, especially in a laptop but I don't I'll ever get one cause of the lack of Linux/Windows Apple Silicon support and the price.
Well, if you are only gaming, yes. But if you are working with large projects, the M1 is a totally different beast!
@@galdutro Speaking of Gaming, I know Apple Arcade devs and users are gonna have a field day with this. They can finally play games at Ultra settings now.
Correction. You could not upgrade the RAM on the 2015 models. Last model that you could do that was 2012. SSD you could easily upgrade up to 2015.
Just wanted to add a comment to: "Why would someone want so much power on a laptop, even tho will use it at a desk" . I am one of these users (I don't use Macs but a powerful laptop). The reason is simply portability, is not that I need to run it on a train or something like that, but because I travel and move often and I don't want (and in many cases can't) carry a desktop with me. Great video tho.
the SSD is on the CPU SOC but yeah having M2 port for more storage would be great
I think it would be great for them if they added bare metal linux support, huge amount of nerds would buy this stuff, and not that much of an extra cost to port linux on it
Specwise? Maybe.
However because it's apple thus actually getting a chance to repair and or change it is twenty times harder than it needs to be?
My verdict: 'I ain't buying it.'
“Just how portable does a computer this powerful need to be?”
Well music professionals on tour could use that portable power, as do movie professionals working from home. TH-camrs traveling also use it so they can edit, export, and publish while out of the house so they don’t miss uploads. Journalists also can use that when covering events. Students in 3D Graphics design could also use its portability in between classes. I can go on
I don't buy computers where they lock you into a glowie OS, and you can't install Linux or BSD.
macOS is a port of FreeBSD. It just has a really fancy window manager.
You're a corporate neoliberal though, why would you care?
@zyss it’s a port of FreeBSD. They did make changes according to the BSD licensing.
I agree with you - the hardware is impressive - however the fact it can only run MacOS makes it no appealing to me. Hopefully other manufacturers will compete with M1 chips and produce something more 'open' that can handle Windows/Linux. Think there is a company called Nuvia (or someting similar) that comprises of ex-apple chip designers and they are working on a chip which should be released next year or in 2 years. Would be interesting to see more competition in this ARM space
There's Asahi Linux for you. Linux for Apple Silicon Macs and everything works fine except GPU which they're still developing.
@@kabanchan oh right, didn't know about that one. Thanks
MO, about the video you made 2 weeks ago about Amazon Astro. There is recent news about Amazon smart speaker (alexa) recorded more than 3500 audio clips along with her personal contacts and exact locations. I found it funny that people still dont care about it and still want to buy them.
Great informational content and tech-history.
Introducing new "arm and a leg" architecture from Apple. We give you the arm, you give us the leg, plus another couple thousand dollars for good measure
Older macs are so great that I still using macbook pro late 2011 as a secondary machine.
When i saw the thumbnail i somehow guessed it was a Mental Outlaw video but i didn't want to believe it
Here's my take
If portability is what you need, the M1 air is a better deal than the M1 Pro or Max Macbooks.
The lowest spec 14" might also be a good deal, just for the ports alone.
But anything above is just too expensive.
You get all that performance in a small form factor, but who the hell would do such tasks on a 14" or 16" display?
As good as those XDR displays are, they're still small and you wouldn't use them for a prolonged period of time.
Then comes the Apple ecosystem trap: you wanna do all that stuff on an external display (which already defeats the entire purpose of portability), you don't just go buy a random 4K monitor. You'd have to buy a large XDR Pro Ultra Max whatever display of that same quality.
There you are, spending a ton of extra money for that.
Since you're sitting at a desk, you might wanna buy peripherals and stuff.
There you are, spending extra money again.
I'd say a more entry level device is better, it's still very capable and efficient but it won't replace your workstation, which is fine.
Get an air for working on a train, doing casual stuff like browsing when you're on your bed, doing lighter work comfortably when your main workstation is busy rendering, etc.
Save the rest of the money for a 3090 lol
I mean, if you don't have a powerful pc already, if you end up working on a desk just build a Threadripper workstation for that same price. You'll have access to upgrades in the future if you need to.
And you can install Linux on it, most importantly
I honestly kinda want this thing. If I had money to burn this would be in my hands.
And my reasoning may seem weird, but when you think about it, it's pretty sound. When I make decisions on my electronics, on a per-device basis, if I'm going to consoom, I do it all the way and with the best consoomer option. If I'm not going the consoomer route all the way, I'm not going the consoomer route at all. Apple's stuff doesn't try to leech into my non-Apple-connected stuff like certain... OTHER... consoomer options... So it ends up being my pick among consoomer options.
Same lol
Last year I needed a laptop for school, and I did some research and bought the 2015 MacBook Pro used for $500. I bought it because of its upgradability and I didn’t want the scissor switches everyone complains about on the 2016. This machine is still super quick, and I honestly don’t see any point in buying anything newer unless you really need high performance for editing or something in that nature. It’s funny to see Apple basically admit they are wrong for taking away all the essential ports though 🤣
You mentioned how Asahi Linux is only on the Mac mini, but right now the developer is porting it to the M1 Pro MacBook, so there is hope
It look really cool but that fact it's not upgrable and not compatible with Linux make it less interesting, I'm fine with OSX but the last version of it I used is almost 18 years old so I think it changed a lot lol
In 2021 I don't think that should be any I/O accept to USB Type-C, 🔌⚡
actually that should be the case a few years ago, if every new device was created with only Type-C today no one was remembered that there is a different I/O and everybody only used and needed one cable.
One Cable to rule them all, One Cable to find them,
One Cable to bring them all and in the glory bind them.
id rather see expansion cards come back because then you can choose between having usb c or having regular ports or having more storage or a small graphics card or even charging all while keeping everything sitting flush
usb c will never be magsafe
Personally I’m all in as long as it performs up to par with at least dells xps lineup but with better battery but there’s no way I’m paying extra for storage. It’s really not that hard to integrate a NAS into your fs. Fortunately apple doesn’t make that impossible on Mac OS. I’m def going to load Linux on as soon as graphics support is there. In the meantime I have my Pinebook pro to quench my aarch64 Linux thirst.
i get the criticisms of the touch bar, but in normal use it’s so darn convenient
9:30 the new MacBook SSDs are 7.4 Gbyte/s (seq. read of course), so they are among the fastest on the market
pretty much every highend apple product that I can think of always had the fastest available storage, the iPhone storage is also ridiculously fast
No they aren't, its just consumer flash. It maxes out similar to a cheap WD blue nvme, no fancy controller at under 2gb write and 3gb read.
@@chinogambino9375 I ment they're fast for phone storage which is also way smaller than an M.2 drive
The way you said the touchbar is would suggest that there are no F keys, but there actually are, you just have to press the fn button on the bottom left of the keyboard. It isn’t really a problem since i can just set up functions that I use on the touchbar, and if I really need the F buttons i always have the fn key.
And I believe the touchbar has around 120Hz sample rate and I jitter clicked on it a few times actually
And there are benefits, you can place all your shortcuts in there
I love USB C. Cheap 2 dollar adapters to stick on all my cables make it nice for me.
Trains in Europe usually have electric outlets though, there's a lot of people who just work on trains.
A really good conclusion regards the situation with Apple hardware. It's interesting but at the same time more closed than any machine with Windows preinstalled currently.
However I am much more interested in seeing RISC-V laptops coming in the next years because those will probably be designed to run GNU/Linux and it could have adjustments to perform really good in specific tasks but with a more open architecture. Also it would spread different architectures getting used which will ultimately help free software overall. Because people don't want to learn new software all the time depending on which machine they're using. So free software which is more likely being compatible with x86, ARM, RISC-V and different variants might be able to overtake some commercial software.
There was NEVER a time when any apple product was the best you could buy and I have been here since day one of apple.
They use to make good products, like the 2012 mac book pro. Upgradable ram, storage and its repairable.
Well it has been two years now and the M1 Macbooks are some of the best you can buy and the SSDs in them are amazing.
Wow looks great! My 2015 macbook is getting kinda old, so I think I’ll:
wait for Nvidia to release an ARM CPU instead
Or just buy a Lenovo or HP and put Linux on it. The ones with Ryzen CPUs are pretty good.
Lets wait for riscV computers
@@alouisschafer7212 btw is ryzen 6000 cpu gonna support egpus with usb 4?
@@luxraider5384 I dunno... Ryzen CPUs have the USB 3.XX Controller (I think its USB 3.2) build right into the cpu with no chipset in between so pretty sure they will Support external gpus just fine.
USB c isn't hell. Its a really good connector. If everything used it then it would be amazing
hey just a note about the lack of windows support on m1 macbooks, thats microsofts fault, not apples. apple said theyre open to the idea, but microsoft hasnt done anything to make windows compatible with the new chips
to run Linux on M1 take a look at the Asahi Linux project, it is still work in progress but its really promising, guy does a lot of live streaming/coding
M1 battery under workload, at least with my experience (200-500 samples blender cycles animation rendering) is “good”. It only really reduces the battery life by an hour or so, and most of the time you don’t even need the screen brightness up.
Please talk about asahi Linux.
It would be a nice video.
I love the Touch Bar
I never owned a mac, but I actually like USB-C, I hope more pc's will have that connector.
The OS lock is more important than upgradability, because m1 devices are built like iphones, so even if they allow it, there's no easy way to upgrade components like a PC.
Still rocking my 2012 MBP with Nvidia graphics chip, upgradeable SATA & RAM
A cheap laptop that can ssh project files to render on a threadripper would be a great comparison.
The issue is that the build quality on cheep laptops is just bad, not a big deal if you don't care about that.
I know a guy with a 2020 macbook pro with an i9 and 255gb storage. As soon as he stops using that, that motherboard is basically ewaste. I wish they would just give us an nvme slot.
keep an eye out for asahi linux! it's bringing linux to m1 architecture.
0:17 wow this is my exact machine! What luck! I've had it for years. Apple just ceased OS updates for it. I wonder if they are pushing people to “upgrade”?
In your final argument, you miss the factor of putting your charger into your bag and getting energy from somewhere else, but I agree, the storage is way too expensive.
You forgot to mention the $20 USD screen cleaning cloth they mention on their last Keynote.
No ram upgrades on MacBook Pro 2015
I loved my 2010 15 inch with matte screen
Those are great though. They don't have everything soldered down either.
@@jm036 i had to replace the gpu capacitor but I used the laptop from mid 2010 to circa 2018. Never failed me.
About running GNU/Linux on these machines. Are you aware of Asahi Linux? Hector Martin has been working very hard on it. They had Debian running on the Mac mini the other day. They're still doing stuff, but it's coming along pretty nicely. Check out his channel. He often streams up to 9 hours while working on Asahi Linux.
Hey man the 2012 macbook pro was the best lol the last one with the dvd drive