Messages found in Victorian-era dress decoded in Manitoba
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- Scott Lightfoot reports on a University of Manitoba researcher finally cracking the coded messages found in a Victorian-era dress in the U.S
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History, clothes, codes and weather! This story was wonderful.
Too bad so little was actually reported
Really interesting but I would have loved to hear the message and if that message could give any insight on the original owner of the dress. Was she telegraphing locally or maybe even working in 1888 for a telegraph company? What was her status in society given this beautiful and elaborate pattern on the bustle dress? Did the text give any indication as to where this message could be allocated?
I know, I just have so many unanswered questions, I wish there was more ‘cuz I’d follow that story
I think you will find more details if you Google the original blogger named in the video.
Yes. Was the reporter so disinterested that he was curious the way we are? There’s so much more to the story, soooo many questions unanswered.
@@Xxxxxx19-p1c The news is written so that a 12 year old can understand what they're talking about. Don't like being talked to like a child? Then why are you watching the news?
@sparklesparklesparkle6318
Condescending and unnecessary.
I want to know more. Much much more. This feels like a really incomplete report.
“so mystery solved… now back to you, Bob”
Agreed!
What more do you want to know?
@@jimmy_kirk what it actually says and why she would have had it? That's just a couple of things. The basics of journalism: Who, What, When, Where, Why, How.
@@Veronica.John10-10 but it was time for sports!
I’m wondering why something as everyday as weather reports had to be hidden away in a secret pocket.
It wasn’t secret. Ladies pockets were often removable between garments.
@@nicolad8822 according to the video it was a hidden pocket, and I know woman used to hide valuables in their clothes, they still do today.
@@roysnider3456 valuable wheater report
@@roysnider3456it was a regular pocket
@@nicolad8822But why would she do this?? Was her memory that poor?? Curious minds want to know.
Wait. What? Where's the other half of the story? This feels like the intro before the power cut took out the rest. PLEASE follow up with some more information on this. I'd love to know HOW it was decoded and WHAT it said, not just that it was.
Right? Such a buildup for not really going on to say a lot of details.
Are you in NW Georgia? My power went out yesterday too, lol. This story was disappointing. It's just a weather report??
that part is not for public 😂
But they said those were weather codes (how they were decoded) and even showed a picture of them (what it said)....so I'm not sure what you're asking...did you miss the end?
@@Poemi10304 l was hoping for more detail. Maybe some images or an explanation of how the codes worked, what they meant, how they discovered what day they were for, if they ever found out if something important had happened that day, why they were hidden in a woman's frock... So many, many more things l would have liked to learn.
Why would a weather report have been seen (hidden?) in a pocket of a beautiful dress?
She worked in the Telegraph Office?
to memorialize an important day in her life?
You never put on an outfit you haven't worn in a while stuck your hands in your pockets only to find something you'd forgotten was in there?
@@XxMCRroxnonstopxXexactly! She probably worked in a telegraph office and had the weather report and put it away in her pocket. She never wore that dress again, maybe she died or maybe she bought a new dress? I hope it was the latter.
What if it was the same pocket from her work dress and she'd forgotten it was in there when she changed to go out for the evening?
This video raises more questions than it answers.
And we still don't know what the message says.
Yes I was hoping they would say what the weather was on that day!
That's so interesting. It's amazing that he was able to figure it out. Well done, professor.
What’s most interesting to me is how a woman of sufficient means to own and wear that dress was educated in the weather language and kept written record for some as yet unknown reason.
What is weather language?
@@beccagee5905watch the video
Probably relaying to her husband. Without knowing anything about the the dresses owner, that would be my best guess.
If we only had more context.
I think she must have been a telegraph operator, so many women were in those days, and if that was a particularly expensive dress, maybe she was from a well off family or had independent means (like inherited from a family member for example).
Ooops back already, this person @karenroot450 said
The owner of the dress Worked for the Army Signal Air Corps in 1888 so that would be where she learnt the weather language I guess.
But....but....what did it say? Why was it in a hidden pocket?? Who was she??
The pocket was hidden because visible pockets on a dress don't look right. It wasn't sone sneaky secret thing, it was just an inner, unseen pocket.
So, just one question - WHAT DID IT ACTUALLY SAY?
Sunny with clouds, but it actually rained, cause the weatherman lied!
@@FahQxDon’t they always!
It is clearly about an event that was suppose to happen because in one of the written words it states, "Seventh Merry Lemon Drink each" which is clearly a drink for an event.... It is most likely a note in regard to an event and what the weather is mention in it as well as other indication of food and drinks involved.
@@mintlovechip7289Those words aren’t meant to be taken literally. They’re part of a shorthand that was used to transmit weather reports via telegraph, where brevity was important.
No time to even give an example?
That's cool! There is so much history about the 1880s but this juicy little tidbit is something I've never heard before. Also, opens up a ton more questions.
What about the history about Uranus ? How many times has it opened up for more thrustings ?
@@luisfernando5998 random mean reply.
@@MaresEatOats_Stupid and pointless too.
@@MaresEatOats_ why so serious son ?
@@luisfernando5998 why so mean?
sooo...they didn't explain why the wearing was hiding the weather report in her dress. Was it just a storage pocket or was it a hidden pocket?
Maybe she actually worked for a telegraph company (or her husband or someone she knew did), and she simply shoved the papers in her pocket once she was done using them, and then forgot about them.
It was a regular pocket
Who else thought the message was hidden in those small beads on the front?
Message in a bustle. 🎉
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Hey I saw what you did there 😂
@@user-wickedflower 🤣🤣😅🤣😂😘
Come on!! That's it?? This needs a full documentary!
Thanks for sharing this story, Canada. I loved it.
So are they saying the dress was worn by a secretary who was keying in the day's weather report?
This is very cool! We got a whole glimpse at not just life back then, but the original owner of this dress' life back then, too! Thanks for sharing!
Well, 1:53 it says "barometer" right at the top. That should have been a clue, lol!
what about the note and whatt it said? okay about the weather but no more details then that?
Fascinating! Such a piece of history in reporting weather.
If this was about weather? Why was it hidden inside a secret dress pocket?
This still doesn’t answer my biggest question though… what was this seemingly innocuous series of weather codes (I’m guessing maybe a weekly or 10 day forecast?) doing sewn into a small hidden pocket on the underside of a dress that (realistically) you couldn’t just hike the bottom hem up and reach.
Was it common to purposely sew hidden pockets (filled with paper notes) into dress skirts? I’m not being facetious, I really am curious!
I once discovered the remains of old newspapers (folded into hard squares and pasted to the cardboard between the inner lining and crocodile skin outer shell) inside an antique doctor’s bag while repairing a tear in the fabric lining. But that at least made sense to me. It helped stiffen the structure/shape of the bag while also providing a slightly cushioned barrier between the exterior and softer more delicate interior. But a single folded note in a small discrete pocket literally sewn all the way up around the note? Why?
Actually, dresses used to have pockets around them. Many bustle dresses (like the one shown in this video) had a special pocket just for umbrellas.
@@pauljensen5699 interesting 🧐 thanks for that little tidbit!
Gosh, can you imagine carrying around an umbrella in your pocket all day?! 😅 useful… but definitely not comfortable lol
Can't say why that was sewn in, the absolute single thing my mind came up with was maybe it was written about a day that was special to her or written by a person that was special to her, so it's a momento she needed/wanted to hide from others or keep close to her for remembrance?
@@nalanimulcahy8451 I didn’t think about having possibly been written by someone important to her. That would make a lot more sense actually! I remember when I was helping my mom clean out my dad’s office after he died and it made me so happy to find little notes he’d written by hand 🩵 thank you for that! I think that’s a wonderfully sweet perspective, and one that makes so much sense to me
So basically it had Nothing to do with the dress except the pocket..
and no one really did decod, it or you would have reported "What was written" not just the topic of the hidden papers.being weather..
That's really interesting. I never considered that communication would have been pared down like that to accommodate the telegraph.
bustling weather!!
Imagine the disappointment of those hoping for bodice ripping intrigue.
Mr Arsey!!!
Why would weather info be tucked away into a secret pocket? Was it common to have a pocket, such as this one, in a Victorian dress? I wonder if she was the stenographer /telegrapher? Amazing story !
I've been following this story ever since the owner of the dress posted about it. I even saved the photos of the notes in an effort to make sense of them, to no avail! I must say that this explanation is less thrilling than the spy scenario that I had imagined, but I still wonder why the notes were in this pocket! What clues led to the decoding?
Could you share the info for the blog? I’d love to check it out.
Positive story's are always a blessing. Loved this one.
SO FASCINATING! !!!!!’
1880 was NOT THAT LONG AGO! I lived in a GORGEOUS HOUSE built in 1880!
But yet….look at HOW QUICKLY things have been lost in history….SO QUICKLY FORGOTTEN AND LOST FOREVER!
Common facts like this weather report took YEARS TO DECODE
MIND 😮BLOWING
143 years is kinda a long time.
Used to be the three biggest forms of communications were
Telegraph
Telephone
Tell a woman
And let’s not forget the newspaper.
Wow amazing. In 100 years we have no idea this was a communication.
thats the most interesting thing I've seen on the computer in a long time!
Oh that was a let down of what the note actually said.. I was hoping it unlocked a mystery lol
But what did it say? This story is begging for a complete documentary
That is nice...WHAT THE CODING HECK does the message said ???!,!??. If it was a weather report why the heck was it hidden??!!??
Fascinating! Remarkable dress, too!
How fantastic… what an interesting story.
And it said? Useless report!
But why would a weather report have to be hidden in a secret pocket?
Really cool - love these little glimpses of everyday life in the past through these fortuitous finds!
whats the message ?
I absolutely love stories like this one!
A person puts a weather report in a secret pocket. And you guys have no more questions, case solved? Really?
It reminds me of the coordinate system with which one can express a point on the Earth with three English words.
Having served on an Oceanographic Research boat, using transponders from two islands and the mother ship, and i don't know what three words can do this (?) .
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There is an app called “what three words” that does this. It is an app with the GPS location mapped on to a database of three unrelated words that re easier to convey by text or speech than GPS coordinates. I read that it has been used in rescue situations. I think it is more aimed at finding friends in a crowd.
@@laurelmcellistrem982 now THAT is interesting. And something I have made a note to look up when I have a minute.
The mystery just started - why would a woman of the day have a weather report in her secret pocket?
Wow! How cool to have figured this out. So much information
Wow that's so amazing I Loveeeeee historic Clothing and to find the letters is astounding after all those years now I'd love to see her collection of clothing 💜🙏💜 I make my own creations mostly Victorian era outfits Steampunk for myself and Friends 💜😈💜
How cool!!
So, this lady had a job. She had to report the weather? I’d like to know more!
This begs the question who was this woman who wore the dress and why she had that in her pocket.
Very cool! Great work, Mr. Chan. 👍👍
How anticlimactic
this story has not weathered well
@@ihopethiscommentisntabusiv4670 👍
So --- the message hasn't been decoded. We need the other words associated with them, could be anything.
Old dress had a weather report in the pocket. Interesting.
What a fun mystery!
Some information is missing from the report, though.
For instance......
Who was the original owner of the dress, if known?
And if indeed known, did she work for the telegraph company, or was she working for someone on the receiving end of the telegraph(s)?
Why would she be interested in weather reports?
Why would the weather reports be hidden inside a secret pocket in the dress?
Back in the 1970s I worked on a ship and one of my duties was to listen to the marine weather radio forecast and reduce it down to something like that. I can't recall the formula now. I did this every morning. Haven't thought about it in ages.
Could have been even better with more details. Probably a PBS show would have been ideal.
So cool
I wish someone wrote a short story using that beautiful title.
How does one wash such a garment without causing tears and ink blotting in the paper note? Just curious.
This is beyond fascinating!
Very cool!
But why was a weather report coded and stitched into a hidden pocket?
That is so amazing - but the dress is gorgeous!! Greetings from NYC!! 🤩🤗💖
So was this basically like the British Isles shipping forecast of the day?
So that's it?? I was waiting for a few lines to be deciphered :)
Talk about clickbait. It would be more impressive if it was a shopping list
Fascinating!
She should have asked Tip of My Tongue subreddit somehow they can solve anything 😂
why would you codify weather information?
Very cool story! Thanks!
Hmmm. Ladies that carried hand bags, satchels,purses, dont usually tuck a weather report up their skirt! Fascinating story.
NOAA website has a detailed article about it.
0:10 Who’s gonna tell him that Canada’s not America?
The U.S.A. is not America either.Think about it for minute. North America and South America. Canada is a county in America Just like Mexico is.
This reminded me of the HBO show The Gilded Age. Highly recommended!
Our great grand parents were more tech saavy than we thought. Great analytical work .
Can we appreciate the fact that the beautiful art of hand writing is gone forever 😔
Very cool indeed!
The weather?!😂😂
Also...😐😵😵😵😵
Maybe if you put "like" after every word, then it might like maybe like make like sense?
Okay this needs a 30 -60 minute video so we can get the whole picture
Nah it's not that interesting.
Wow! Fascinating.
Exactly! *The things that you genuinely NEVER thought of* 🤷 Gorgeous dress BTW 💜
This is amazing.
And…?
Oh… well that was not how I thought it was going to end
Is there a link to the original blog?
They had the telegraph 30 years before 1888. How does this story make any sense?
This is pretty cool. I want to know who the dressed might have belonged to and more about this old weather reporting system.
Absolutely amazing. Shame it turned out to be a weather report lol, and not something more intriguing, however, its fantastic wll the same. Well done all involved in solving the mystery.
It was about the weather?? But what did it say exactly??
There was already a film made about this years ago where a top Victorian designer used to hide messages in dresses
That's awesome
Looks like tafetta which I loved as a kid. My mom made a beautiful flare skirt with the same color 🦧 in the late ‘50’s :) 👗 🌷🌱