nice build and great video. the way I check motor direction is when they are spinning I touch them with a small piece of heat shrink tubing. the motor will bend the shrink in the direction it's spinning.
NICK - where can I buy one!? 🤣Cool having these videos in your archive. They're almost like home movies! Watching the kids grow up through the years, the housework yall have done, and your pilot skills improving, of course!
It looks like they shutdown the website. They do have a facebook page, maybe that is an opportunity. Jeff Winder comes by the channel from time to time. I sent him a comment response as to your request to buy one. FB page facebook.com/winderwonderworks/
Nick Burns Im flying the rodeo 110 with betaflight 3.1.5 and loving it! I need something like this to fly indoors ! I'm tempted to just build one which I haven't done before.
Yes, I have heard of people offering to build for others. I think the average is $30/hr and the build typically takes 3 hours. But to answer your question I think the 3d printed pieces will be the weak point and break, but that is similar to the pico x with the owl guard (3d printed). The moskito has a unique guard, I don't know what its made of but I think it would be more durable than 3d printed. Of course we can take the prop guard off all these and still fly, but they won't be as indoor friendly. As to pure flight characteristics, they are all very similar. The moskito does get the longer flight time due to its props and possibly motors. In the tests I have seen 2 bladed props are more efficient.
Nick GREAT VIDEO!!! That is Awesome!!! Thank You !!!! :) A note on the 'black prop strut mounts'.. They are nylon, whereas the others are ABS. If you find your breaking the ABS ones, put on the black nylons..... they are extremely strong! I would normally make them all nylon, but the nylon 910 taulman only come in black and a natural.. Thanks Again! Very nice video!
I had the opposite problem with the Owl quadcopter, pitch forward on hard turns. Transplanted everything to a ZMR 150, and problem disappeared. I thought air was catching the frame, but sometimes the forward speed wasn't enough to support that hypothesis. Now I think that there was just too much mass spread out from the center and this killed the yaw authority, and lead to instability
Hey Nick, do you have a video on how your transmitter is configured or setup.. aka controls ect? You're the best flying quad pilot I've seen. I just can't understand how perfect you fly and the precise control of the quadcopter. any info is appreciated and thanks for these amazing video's
I have done that, but its not pretty, even the better passes done end up in a entertaining or full flight. I try to post full flights for each vid. I think showing only bit can hide flaws.
When you wired the motors up to the ESC, did you notice/ignore the ESC labeling? On the ESC, the numbers are listed.. 12 43 But then you wired the motors up like a normal quadx and as the femto is laid out.. are the ESC's labeled incorrectly? I'm asking because I can't get mine working correctly, and I wired my motors to the corresponding label on the ESC, so for a quadx layout, I ended up crossing underneath the ESC just to go to each number. Whereas you just soldered up to the closest pads for each motor. When I get home tonight I plan on trying out how you did it and see if that fixes my issue, although I still don't quite understand.
I don't have the label to look at. My recollection is that they aren't labeled incorrectly, but the escs are not lined up with quad x motor configuration. We have two labels, one the esc label and that corresponds to the wiring label. I don't have a spare to look at but we solder the motor wires to the nearest esc pads then find the corresponding wire and solder that to the same motor signal pad on the flight controller. Maybe a clear way to explain. If we solder motor 1 to esc 4 then signal wire 4 goes to signal pad 1 on the flight controller. Hope that helps.
could you build a custom battery connector to put two 200mAh 1s batteries in series? stacking them would get you a nice thin profile to get out of the prop path
Great video I pretty much ordered it straight away only just got round to finishing it today mainly because waiting for parts from Banggood and then one of the motors not working at all maybe buy a few spares next time. Unfortunately problems occurred the femto board and receiver keep resetting them selves and after a few times of doing it sometimes the esc did aswell too many noises going on. After hours of fault finding which isn't my thing I found out it was the camera doing it as soon as it was off I have had no problems I have used the same camera as yours I was wondering if you have had any problems with this at all or have I got a bad camera aswell. Would love to prove it but haven't got another camera spare at the moment. Any advice would help thanks for the build video gavin
Having to fly los atm waiting for new camera. Yeh I got loads of different props to try. My hover is above half way throttle is that the same as yours seems a bit heavy to me. Love the micros now
I do believe what your talking about has to do with the vertical CG(center of gravity)and the light weight of the quad. it's caused by bottom mounting batteries. The only way to get rid of it is to internal or top mount your battery, depending on where your CG lands. This is not always possible to do though.its kinda hard when your battery weight is the same as the quad.I might be wrong,thoughts anyone.
So regarding your issue with dropping as your turn is switch the rear motor rotation should fix it thats how i fixed it on my aurora 90mm (this should fix this issue)
i followed your build, the only thing i did different is put the 12amp 4in1 racerstar.. i was wondering what kind of flight time your getting, and if u think i could go 3s?
Is the femto really that much lighter than the picoblx? I'm wondering why not go with the picoblx given that you already have a 20x20 stack going. banggood have a nice 3 board 20x20 stack setup that includes OSD, receiver, beeper, ESC. Wonder if that would get it too heavy.
Not sure about the stack. In this case even though the mounting holes are 20x20 with the tpu adapter only the holes are that dimension. The adapater actually goes more narrow after the mounting holes. I don't think a piko or 20x20 board will work as well. I think it might stick out in the prop line, we could move the fc up but then our profile/cam sticks out. I do have one of the new 20x20 boards with osd. I should have a build with it sometime soon.
I bought this directly from your parts list. My camera will not power on from any of the 5v pads on the Femto. I attached to a 5v pad on one of my other quads to see if it was a camera problem but it comes on fine. What would you suggest. Those 5v pads run my receiver just fine, I just cant get video. Any advice?
take two small wires from the battery led pads on the ESC to the battery led pads on the Femto. That should give the femto enough power to power the rx and aio cam
Im using a lumeneir 10amp 4in1 for a different build, and I was wondering where the ground (black wire) goes? there is no voltage (red wire). btw i am using the femto.
The ground can do to any ground on the femto, the ground is common. To power the fc we will need to solder on pigtails onto the battery leds ont he 4 in 1 to the femto.
if I order the mixed nuts, does it come with the carbon or nylon? Nevermind I got it. Now I just need to find those my lipo 300 mAh you use. Thanks for the great vids!
Hi Nick, any reason why a PikoBlx/clone 20x20 FC (that you linked to) would not work as well on this kit since you have to size up the mount on the Femto FC? Weight savings?
I think the weight is very close, I should have weighed them, but I think the difference will be about 1 gram. I think also the 20x20 might stick out into the prop line, but we could move it up over the prop line maybe.
Parts on the way! Will be using DYS 1102 10Kv, have Giant Power 7.4V 300mAh 2S (will trim leads) on the way and and might get silly with 3S goo.gl/WQXQ0U since the motors, ESC and FC can take it. Have a Luminier 4-in-1 10A 20 x 20 sitting in a drawer I will use with the Femto FC. WIll use the EF-02 cam/vtx, really like it. Can't wait to build it!
hey Nick I need a bit of help with my eachine e010s setting it up in clean flight once I got it I bound it to my flysky fsi6 but as soon as I plugg in the battery the motors spin at what seems to be full throttle
change the motor pwm rate in the cli to 32000, "set motor_pwm_rate = 32000" and change the min throttle to a value just above your receiver input value from the receiver tab.
Hey nick, do you like femto fc? I used them on my babyhawk (replace them, the old one broken) and I don't think I like them, It is so hard to isolate femto from vibration.
I haven't had an issue with the femto, but many others have. I think it will really depend on how much vibrations the quad creates the femto doesn't like vibrations.
Hi Nick, another question on the Swirlie before I buy parts: Why did you choose 10,000KV vs 8000 or 6500? My FlexRC Pico runs DYS 1104 6500KV and it's a rocket with Furious FPV props! With 10,000KV is that why the flatter pitch and lighter Hubsan props work better due to the higher RPM's? If heavier 4-blade props like cut down Furious FPV props are used, would a slower motor work better?
We need more rpms for the smaller props we are running. 8000kv will work but I suspect if flying a long fast run we won't have the top end to keep our nose down, we would have to pitch up from time to time with lower rpm and smallish props.
Thanks. I'll get the 10,000KV. I've read from the motor test guys that lower RPM motors have more torque for the heavier props and faster rev motors for the small high speed props which don't need as much torque. Fun stuff!
that is true, with that one these we are sping 2" props. So far I find both 8000kv and 10000kv have performed well imho. I have read about 7500 and 6500 work very well to. I suspect when we get outside with those lower kv we can't keep powering through long speed passes.
having a hard time getting my 8000kv motors to get the swirlie up.. i tried cut down kingkong 65mm.. and i tried rakon tri-blade. main issue was i was only able to test with a 450mah 2s which doubled the weight from 31g without battery to 60g with battery. i have a couple 300mah 2s batteries coming that hopefully will work but i'm wondering what is the best prop for the swirlie? i also have 10,000kv motors coming that i will switch out if i need to.
best is really hard to determine. I have read some like the qx70 props, I found the hubsan triblades cut down to be more favorable....to me. I think another good one to try is the HQ3020 I showed in the video, it will need to be cut down too.
I have one more in this category, then I need to do some round robin flying and thinking about the builds. We will have a comparison video coming.....only one more vehicle to add.
I want to do some more calculations, but the racerstar 1104 4000kv put out 115 g thrust with a 3020 prop @7.4 & weigh 5.5g & a 5.0 efficiency The 1103 10000kv put out 62g thrust with 3020 @ 7.4 & weigh 3.3 & 2.3 efficiency. Any advice on which to use or if the 1104 will work on the swirlie frame? TIA!
The frame designer highly recommends the 10000kv motors. We have to run smaller than normal props (40mm props 1.5inch) and need the extra kv. Additionally if we add 2.2gram per motor we get almost 9grams more, which brings our overall weight up to over 54grams.
love the brushless whoop,I'm going to have to build one. which frame you recommend, or should I just design and make my own? just got those motors n 6a ESCs in but I'm putting them on this sweet 86mm flat cat conf. I got.
If I were designing I would make it so it can handle 2" props and mount the escs on the arm. Not sure how the math works out for that. I have a thing for lower profile.
I can work something out,just by using your ideas and some math of my own. I did get the single escs, they were out of the 4in1s when I ordered. Got that clone FC also. And a eachine 200mw VTX camera combo. I'm also trying out the new XM mini reciver for frysky. It seems to work well,no telemetry though. I might flash it , idk. Don't really use any telemetry but for the RSSI so don't care.
lol, yes the youngest one can be fun, she tends to chase or get upset...depends on the day. The older two are more jaded and mostly ignore the quad flying. The furibee 90 video she and I played a bit hide and seek. I do worry about getting these to close and having an accident.
I built a tiny whoop for my 10 YO daughter. Now she makes race courses for us to fly together. I don't think the faster speed of the brushless quads would "fly" with my wife indoors.
Did you order from 65drones or winderwonderworks? When I ordered mine I selected the carbon guard option. You might want to reach out to Winder Wonder Works.
Is that just the AIO camera you are using or does it have to be that spicific size? Also this seems to be the smallest frame out there, have you noticed any flight differences in compasison to ones that are 80 or 90 mm?
To fit the mount it has to be these dimensions. Its tight as it is. Second question. I don't feel a difference on the sticks. It flies much larger than it is. When your in the goggles you forget its so small.
Nick Burns Okay thank you, do you know of any other camera's that would besides the CM275T? I'm a little skeptical on the WDR the shadows seem way to dark.
i just got my aurora 90. i'm breaking props like mad. the power is awesome. could i put the aurora 90 stack on this frame? i like how small it is. how do you set up the 45deg offset on the FC in betaflight?
The aurora fc is to big for this one. To change the fc offset we add 45 degree yaw in the "Board and Sensor Alignment" section of the configuration page in betaflight.
Thanks. no marks on the fridge, the face is stainless, so I think its safe. I worry more about the walls and furniture. So far so good. I think the plasticy props don't take chunks out of the paint. Thank fully.
Thanks for the reply back. I'll be waiting for your next. Lots of fun. I hope to master indoor like yourself, sooner then later. The dog is getting ready to tell on me.
What are the chances of adding a OSD without hurting it to much in the weight department? I have one on it's way via 65drones..Should be here in a few days will be my first micro brushless build..
I have a Pololu 5v step up in th parts bin its very tiny might give it a try later on but i have some nanotech 300s on there way to try out...Actually more interested in adding a OSD if i can find one very light weight..Not sure if i could replace the vtx with this and super light 1.2g camera would suffice .. www.banggood.com/Micro-20x20mm-VTX-OSD-Board-40CH-5_8G-25mw-200mw-Mini-FPV-Transmitter-Integrated-OSD-RHCP-p-1107269.html?rmmds=search
If I could jump in here. It depends. Do you like to fly around people? If so the brushed whoop is a safer option. The power and high rotation of brushless isn't as safe around others. If people generally aren't around or really close, or your skills are ready the brushless micro like the swirlie are a different kind of fun and allow us to explore our piloting skills more. Of course the build is much different than a brushed build.
Thanks Nick. I think ill go with another whoop for now because being in the Pacific North West most of my flying will be indoors, sometimes around people and pets. When the rain stops ill look into going for something brushless. Plus, at the rate these little guys are improving I might have some more options or at least better prices by then.
David DeMarta if you've got some isopropyl alcohol or methylated spirits around you can try scrubbing the board with a toothbrush with alcohol, it might fix it. I crashed my qx 90 into a ice cream tub full of water and it wouldnt work, I did some scrubbing with alcohol and got rid of all the corrosion and it now flies perfectly again though the led strip out is a bit unstable
Hi Nick! Can you tell me how I can get a JST plug on the ESC? Would I be better De-soldering the wire that came on it and buying a premade JST wire with the end, if so what guage wire do I need?
I wonder if the weird handling is from settling with power on one or two motors... like as you turn you're dipping through really dirty air and losing lift on the back motors and inside rear motor especially. The FC tries to compensate by dumping power into those motors that are losing lift, which only makes the issue worse. I wonder if stretching the design a bit - would resolve this? Just a thought. Have you given these are try? hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-nano-tech-300mah-2s-45-90c-lipo-pack.html Or without the JST: hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-nano-tech-300mah-2s-35-70c-lipo-pack-e-flite-eflb2002s25-micro-series-compatible.html Without the jst: 16g
Nick Burns Thanks! Ordering everything soon. Torn between the Racerstar 1103 10000kv and the DYS 1102 10000kv. Going with the Cicada 10A 4-in-1, so maybe the DYS are the better way (3S capable)...
I do suspect the hq3020 props would be a good match cut down, but those are hard to find in stock. Yes, the dys is 3s capable. If your going 3s pretty much choice made DYS. should be rocket.
I don't. But I am doing regular giveaways. Selling makes me feel a bit sketchy. I have crash everything I have....often, if I sold it and it didn't last long I would feel terrible.
Cool thanks, i'm actually interested in getting them for my Hubsan, so no need to cut. :) I'm too cost conscious to get into the serious FPV stuff, sub-$100 is where its at :D
anything will break with enough impact, but carbon is strong and the vehicle is about 60grams with battery. Should take a pretty sever crash to break the carbon
Nick Burns I'm new to this kind of thing and may build one based off this video. If you have any micro quads you would like to sell let me know please!
Hi Nick, on mini cameras you list the CM275. I flew couple of my TinyWhoops this weekend and tested two of my CM/VM275 cams and a new Eachine EF-02 goo.gl/soFgar which is just as light and 800TVL. My eyes much prefer the EF-02 and light handling is better. Just a trivia note.
I'd be interested in your review of those, maybe you could make it an official mini-review. I don't post video much on TH-cam so you're the man for that! My wife looking through a stand alone 7" monitor also preferred the EF-02. Careful though, *use the power leads it comes with!* They reverse the polarity on the EF-02 vs 'standard' 1.25mm JST.
Racerstar triblade 55mm and 65mm 1.5 hole props are badly balanced. The 55m are better and worked well on my Aurora 90 build. Just got the Racerstar 2035 and they are much better props. The 2035s also work great cut down to two blades.
My wife was actually home for many flights, she is pretty confident I won't do any damage. I have flown around her when she is in the area, she almost always just waves and then tells me not to use the flight in a video...camera shy. :)
Uh, oh Nick, now there are 0703 Brushless motors. bit.ly/2mBbgGC Who will get them first!? BG says "we are preparing to sell the 60mm frame kit, please wait patiently" Sub-Inductrix size! It will have to be in your fleet.
Thanks, Nick. Yours is one of my favorite channels. I always learn a lot. My wife doesn't like the impact on our budget . . .
lol, quad budget is hard to manage.
the simplicity of your videos are spot on...
Thank you
Amazed at the outside flight footage! Great stuff as Always Nick!
I was too, I didn't think it would fly so well outside, at least not that fast.
nice build and great video.
the way I check motor direction is when they are spinning I touch them with a small piece of heat shrink tubing. the motor will bend the shrink in the direction it's spinning.
That's a much quicker way. Nice tip.
Nice flying Nick, your house is huge dude 🌞👍🏼
Thanks. Its a lot of fun.
Hey nick burns, your flying is a thrill to watch :D!keep up the cool vids
Thank you
Dang impressive. Nice flying, great video. Jeff
Thank you
NICK - where can I buy one!? 🤣Cool having these videos in your archive. They're almost like home movies! Watching the kids grow up through the years, the housework yall have done, and your pilot skills improving, of course!
It looks like they shutdown the website. They do have a facebook page, maybe that is an opportunity. Jeff Winder comes by the channel from time to time. I sent him a comment response as to your request to buy one. FB page facebook.com/winderwonderworks/
That is a great little quad
Looks like a rocket! nice work.
Thank you.
Looks great and nice flying!
its a lot of fun. And thank you.
Great flying too!😀👍🏻🥇
thank you
You are an amazing pilot!
thank you.
Great build 😎👍
Looks like it flies very nice!
Yes, I like brushless indoor, so much more thrust.
Nick Burns Im flying the rodeo 110 with betaflight 3.1.5 and loving it! I need something like this to fly indoors ! I'm tempted to just build one which I haven't done before.
I am a believer, I think anyone can build one, go slow, be sure and take breaks. To much excitement can lead to a mistake.
Nick Burns yup I was looking at the pico x and moskito 70 but the bnf are really high! How does this match up to them?
Yes, I have heard of people offering to build for others. I think the average is $30/hr and the build typically takes 3 hours. But to answer your question I think the 3d printed pieces will be the weak point and break, but that is similar to the pico x with the owl guard (3d printed). The moskito has a unique guard, I don't know what its made of but I think it would be more durable than 3d printed. Of course we can take the prop guard off all these and still fly, but they won't be as indoor friendly. As to pure flight characteristics, they are all very similar. The moskito does get the longer flight time due to its props and possibly motors. In the tests I have seen 2 bladed props are more efficient.
Dammit! one frame sold haha. I have been resisting a micro like this because Im building a new 5"; but this looks like too much fun. Nice Video
ha, it sure is fun.
Wow! Something that small on 2s I didn't think was possible! I wanna try that:)
wohoo..really enjoy when watching u flying through treadmill gap
Its one of my favorites.
great video, awesome editing.
Thank you
i have been watching this video and am really tempted. i dont think i would use the bumper as you said its the weak point
its fun. Micro builds are a bit more challenging, but the satisfaction at the end of the build is also greater.
Nick GREAT VIDEO!!! That is Awesome!!! Thank You !!!! :) A note on the 'black prop strut mounts'.. They are nylon, whereas the others are ABS. If you find your breaking the ABS ones, put on the black nylons..... they are extremely strong! I would normally make them all nylon, but the nylon 910 taulman only come in black and a natural.. Thanks Again! Very nice video!
Hey great design, hope your selling loads. Good tip thank you.
thank you for the tour of your house :)
I had the opposite problem with the Owl quadcopter, pitch forward on hard turns. Transplanted everything to a ZMR 150, and problem disappeared. I thought air was catching the frame, but sometimes the forward speed wasn't enough to support that hypothesis. Now I think that there was just too much mass spread out from the center and this killed the yaw authority, and lead to instability
Could be. I just don't know.
Hey Nick, do you have a video on how your transmitter is configured or setup.. aka controls ect? You're the best flying quad pilot I've seen. I just can't understand how perfect you fly and the precise control of the quadcopter.
any info is appreciated and thanks for these amazing video's
I will have to see what I can put together. My setup is very generic and almost stock on the radio.
Damn I just ordered an Aurora 90.. kinda like this better. Hope I enjoy the Aurora when it comes in
The aurora 90 is a pretty good with different props and some careful hand adjustments to the ducts.
Nick Burns I ended up ordering this too 🙈
holy cow. cant believe u were flying that in the house... sheeeeessssh
I fly inside most nights. Its fun and challenging.
awesome, I keep waiting for you to split those two lamps in one of your vids !
I have done that, but its not pretty, even the better passes done end up in a entertaining or full flight. I try to post full flights for each vid. I think showing only bit can hide flaws.
i was so confused that your downstairs area is completely different! had to check the upload date ahahaha!
we have made a number of changes in the last few years. :)
When you wired the motors up to the ESC, did you notice/ignore the ESC labeling? On the ESC, the numbers are listed..
12
43
But then you wired the motors up like a normal quadx and as the femto is laid out.. are the ESC's labeled incorrectly? I'm asking because I can't get mine working correctly, and I wired my motors to the corresponding label on the ESC, so for a quadx layout, I ended up crossing underneath the ESC just to go to each number. Whereas you just soldered up to the closest pads for each motor.
When I get home tonight I plan on trying out how you did it and see if that fixes my issue, although I still don't quite understand.
I don't have the label to look at. My recollection is that they aren't labeled incorrectly, but the escs are not lined up with quad x motor configuration. We have two labels, one the esc label and that corresponds to the wiring label. I don't have a spare to look at but we solder the motor wires to the nearest esc pads then find the corresponding wire and solder that to the same motor signal pad on the flight controller. Maybe a clear way to explain. If we solder motor 1 to esc 4 then signal wire 4 goes to signal pad 1 on the flight controller. Hope that helps.
could you build a custom battery connector to put two 200mAh 1s batteries in series? stacking them would get you a nice thin profile to get out of the prop path
maybe, but wouldn't that be adding weight with the extra wires and connector?
Nick Burns 7g+7g+2g=16g and a narrow profile
looks like a good one
Awesome Video again.
thank you
what the low end torque like, and the punchouts.
with these props the quick punch is good, traditional 4 fleaf decrease quick punch.
Great video I pretty much ordered it straight away only just got round to finishing it today mainly because waiting for parts from Banggood and then one of the motors not working at all maybe buy a few spares next time. Unfortunately problems occurred the femto board and receiver keep resetting them selves and after a few times of doing it sometimes the esc did aswell too many noises going on. After hours of fault finding which isn't my thing I found out it was the camera doing it as soon as it was off I have had no problems I have used the same camera as yours I was wondering if you have had any problems with this at all or have I got a bad camera aswell. Would love to prove it but haven't got another camera spare at the moment. Any advice would help thanks for the build video gavin
no problems with the camera for me. still flying it pretty regularly, I have tried some different props.
Having to fly los atm waiting for new camera. Yeh I got loads of different props to try. My hover is above half way throttle is that the same as yours seems a bit heavy to me. Love the micros now
yea, about half throttle is about normal with 40mm or less props. Unless we get higher kv motors or its lighter, half throttle is to be expected.
I do believe what your talking about has to do with the vertical CG(center of gravity)and the light weight of the quad. it's caused by bottom mounting batteries. The only way to get rid of it is to internal or top mount your battery, depending on where your CG lands. This is not always possible to do though.its kinda hard when your battery weight is the same as the quad.I might be wrong,thoughts anyone.
the only way I found to get rid of it is to top mount the battery. if that's not possible,sorry. 😁
Or we can learn to fly around the flaw, when we want small and other options don't resolve it.
Right, I've done the same . Can't always top mount. It's just annoying.☺
So regarding your issue with dropping as your turn is switch the rear motor rotation should fix it thats how i fixed it on my aurora 90mm (this should fix this issue)
Yes, I have done this and it does work.
i followed your build, the only thing i did different is put the 12amp 4in1 racerstar.. i was wondering what kind of flight time your getting, and if u think i could go 3s?
If I remember correctly about 2.5mins. 3s on 1103 motors, I am not sure the motors can take that. I would poke around to see if others have tried it.
Did that camera mount come with the WWW Swirlie kit?
Is the femto really that much lighter than the picoblx? I'm wondering why not go with the picoblx given that you already have a 20x20 stack going. banggood have a nice 3 board 20x20 stack setup that includes OSD, receiver, beeper, ESC. Wonder if that would get it too heavy.
Not sure about the stack. In this case even though the mounting holes are 20x20 with the tpu adapter only the holes are that dimension. The adapater actually goes more narrow after the mounting holes. I don't think a piko or 20x20 board will work as well. I think it might stick out in the prop line, we could move the fc up but then our profile/cam sticks out. I do have one of the new 20x20 boards with osd. I should have a build with it sometime soon.
I bought this directly from your parts list. My camera will not power on from any of the 5v pads on the Femto. I attached to a 5v pad on one of my other quads to see if it was a camera problem but it comes on fine. What would you suggest. Those 5v pads run my receiver just fine, I just cant get video. Any advice?
take two small wires from the battery led pads on the ESC to the battery led pads on the Femto. That should give the femto enough power to power the rx and aio cam
Awesome flying first off and would you mind if I asked you about what the quad cost you to build? It is a great little flyer!
Thank you. Sure, generally it should come in between $160-$170. The prices fluctuate.
Im using a lumeneir 10amp 4in1 for a different build, and I was wondering where the ground (black wire) goes? there is no voltage (red wire). btw i am using the femto.
The ground can do to any ground on the femto, the ground is common. To power the fc we will need to solder on pigtails onto the battery leds ont he 4 in 1 to the femto.
I will say wooooowww fantastic love you channel.
thank you
if I order the mixed nuts, does it come with the carbon or nylon? Nevermind I got it. Now I just need to find those my lipo 300 mAh you use. Thanks for the great vids!
Hi Nick, any reason why a PikoBlx/clone 20x20 FC (that you linked to) would not work as well on this kit since you have to size up the mount on the Femto FC? Weight savings?
I think the weight is very close, I should have weighed them, but I think the difference will be about 1 gram. I think also the 20x20 might stick out into the prop line, but we could move it up over the prop line maybe.
Parts on the way! Will be using DYS 1102 10Kv, have Giant Power 7.4V 300mAh 2S (will trim leads) on the way and and might get silly with 3S goo.gl/WQXQ0U since the motors, ESC and FC can take it. Have a Luminier 4-in-1 10A 20 x 20 sitting in a drawer I will use with the Femto FC. WIll use the EF-02 cam/vtx, really like it. Can't wait to build it!
Good selection. I have some 1102 on the way. I hear good things.
Nick burns can you please check out the racerstar 1103b motors and tell me what you think about running them?
hey Nick I need a bit of help with my eachine e010s setting it up in clean flight once I got it I bound it to my flysky fsi6 but as soon as I plugg in the battery the motors spin at what seems to be full throttle
change the motor pwm rate in the cli to 32000, "set motor_pwm_rate = 32000" and change the min throttle to a value just above your receiver input value from the receiver tab.
Hey Nick, great review as always. I think you linked the wrong flight controller?
Your right. Thank you...corrected.
Hey nick, do you like femto fc? I used them on my babyhawk (replace them, the old one broken) and I don't think I like them, It is so hard to isolate femto from vibration.
I haven't had an issue with the femto, but many others have. I think it will really depend on how much vibrations the quad creates the femto doesn't like vibrations.
Hi Nick, another question on the Swirlie before I buy parts: Why did you choose 10,000KV vs 8000 or 6500? My FlexRC Pico runs DYS 1104 6500KV and it's a rocket with Furious FPV props! With 10,000KV is that why the flatter pitch and lighter Hubsan props work better due to the higher RPM's? If heavier 4-blade props like cut down Furious FPV props are used, would a slower motor work better?
We need more rpms for the smaller props we are running. 8000kv will work but I suspect if flying a long fast run we won't have the top end to keep our nose down, we would have to pitch up from time to time with lower rpm and smallish props.
Thanks. I'll get the 10,000KV. I've read from the motor test guys that lower RPM motors have more torque for the heavier props and faster rev motors for the small high speed props which don't need as much torque. Fun stuff!
that is true, with that one these we are sping 2" props. So far I find both 8000kv and 10000kv have performed well imho. I have read about 7500 and 6500 work very well to. I suspect when we get outside with those lower kv we can't keep powering through long speed passes.
having a hard time getting my 8000kv motors to get the swirlie up.. i tried cut down kingkong 65mm.. and i tried rakon tri-blade.
main issue was i was only able to test with a 450mah 2s which doubled the weight from 31g without battery to 60g with battery.
i have a couple 300mah 2s batteries coming that hopefully will work but i'm wondering what is the best prop for the swirlie? i also have 10,000kv motors coming that i will switch out if i need to.
best is really hard to determine. I have read some like the qx70 props, I found the hubsan triblades cut down to be more favorable....to me. I think another good one to try is the HQ3020 I showed in the video, it will need to be cut down too.
How does this compare to the Moskito, Hoverbot Nano, and the Tomo Swift? Which is your favorite?
I second this question. It looks nice in the video, but what would you say to differentiate them?
Drew Fulkerson or the Pico x on 2s?
I have one more in this category, then I need to do some round robin flying and thinking about the builds. We will have a comparison video coming.....only one more vehicle to add.
The aurora90. Then I will do the comparison. There might be others added later but at some point I have to stop and do the comparison.
all I can say is ...."I WANT"....great video
Thank you. The swirlie is good fun. Have you seen the tiny swift? I have a video on that as well.
how much weight without battery?
I want to do some more calculations, but the racerstar 1104 4000kv put out 115 g thrust with a 3020 prop @7.4 & weigh 5.5g & a 5.0 efficiency The 1103 10000kv put out 62g thrust with 3020 @ 7.4 & weigh 3.3 & 2.3 efficiency. Any advice on which to use or if the 1104 will work on the swirlie frame? TIA!
The frame designer highly recommends the 10000kv motors. We have to run smaller than normal props (40mm props 1.5inch) and need the extra kv. Additionally if we add 2.2gram per motor we get almost 9grams more, which brings our overall weight up to over 54grams.
love the brushless whoop,I'm going to have to build one. which frame you recommend, or should I just design and make my own? just got those motors n 6a ESCs in but I'm putting them on this sweet 86mm flat cat conf. I got.
If I were designing I would make it so it can handle 2" props and mount the escs on the arm. Not sure how the math works out for that. I have a thing for lower profile.
I can work something out,just by using your ideas and some math of my own. I did get the single escs, they were out of the 4in1s when I ordered. Got that clone FC also. And a eachine 200mw VTX camera combo. I'm also trying out the new XM mini reciver for frysky. It seems to work well,no telemetry though. I might flash it , idk. Don't really use any telemetry but for the RSSI so don't care.
Update me when you get yours going.
Nick Burns will do, waiting for VTX. then I will throw couple videos your way.
How do you think this would fly on 1s using the new Furious Racewhoop flight controller?
I can only presume we would have 30% less thrust, but also 10%less weight....or more.
Kids are like, "Daaaaad! I'm trying to watch TV! Take it outside!"
lol, yes the youngest one can be fun, she tends to chase or get upset...depends on the day. The older two are more jaded and mostly ignore the quad flying. The furibee 90 video she and I played a bit hide and seek. I do worry about getting these to close and having an accident.
I built a tiny whoop for my 10 YO daughter. Now she makes race courses for us to fly together. I don't think the faster speed of the brushless quads would "fly" with my wife indoors.
that's is very cool. family fun.
Can you post a link to the props you wound up using.
www.banggood.com/10-Pairs-Racerstar-R-BN55X3-55mm-3-Blade-Propeller-Bullnose-1_5mm-Mounting-Hole-For-1103-1106-Motor-p-1118199.html?rmmds=myorder
what does it weigh before battery
well i ordered mine to the UK and its come with a crap 3d printed prop guard!!! Where can i get the nice carbon one from???
Did you order from 65drones or winderwonderworks? When I ordered mine I selected the carbon guard option. You might want to reach out to Winder Wonder Works.
Nick Burns i got mine from 65drones and its the same.also the 3d printed parts are very poor quality
Is that just the AIO camera you are using or does it have to be that spicific size? Also this seems to be the smallest frame out there, have you noticed any flight differences in compasison to ones that are 80 or 90 mm?
To fit the mount it has to be these dimensions. Its tight as it is. Second question. I don't feel a difference on the sticks. It flies much larger than it is. When your in the goggles you forget its so small.
Nick Burns Okay thank you, do you know of any other camera's that would besides the CM275T? I'm a little skeptical on the WDR the shadows seem way to dark.
i just got my aurora 90. i'm breaking props like mad. the power is awesome. could i put the aurora 90 stack on this frame? i like how small it is. how do you set up the 45deg offset on the FC in betaflight?
The aurora fc is to big for this one. To change the fc offset we add 45 degree yaw in the "Board and Sensor Alignment" section of the configuration page in betaflight.
Cool. Good to know
Thanks , Lots of fun video. Way to go with girls color pick. #GoodDad ps. have you left a mark on the frig? Mine has two, she thinks the dog did.
Thanks. no marks on the fridge, the face is stainless, so I think its safe. I worry more about the walls and furniture. So far so good. I think the plasticy props don't take chunks out of the paint. Thank fully.
Thanks for the reply back. I'll be waiting for your next. Lots of fun. I hope to master indoor like yourself, sooner then later. The dog is getting ready to tell on me.
is there any 1s brushless at all?
What are the chances of adding a OSD without hurting it to much in the weight department?
I have one on it's way via 65drones..Should be here in a few days will be my first micro brushless build..
forgot to ask can it be flown on a 1s for indoors? Perhaps a nanotech 600mah 1s 70c pack?
We want to stay as light as possible, but adding 2grams won't hurt to much. Keep the wires short as OSD typically has 6 and keep them small/high awg.
It will need a step up regulator between battery and flight controller. Board wants 5v, 1S is 3.7v.
I have a Pololu 5v step up in th parts bin its very tiny might give it a try later on but i have some nanotech 300s on there way to try out...Actually more interested in adding a OSD if i can find one very light weight..Not sure if i could replace the vtx with this and super light 1.2g camera would suffice ..
www.banggood.com/Micro-20x20mm-VTX-OSD-Board-40CH-5_8G-25mw-200mw-Mini-FPV-Transmitter-Integrated-OSD-RHCP-p-1107269.html?rmmds=search
man that thing looks like it's got some speed with those tiny brushless motors
It sure does. :)
if I put a 12 amp 4 in 1 esc on this, could the motors handle 3s? are there motors that could?
I don't think 1103 motors would handle it. But there is always a change. Research it out.
Nick Burns thanks for the reply! will do
Nick Burns the racerstar 1103"B" 10000kv motors are essentially the same but they can handle 3s and I spotted some 1104s that I could choose
My tiny whoop had a bit of an indecent with a puddle... You guys think its worth building another or stepping it up to something like this Swirlie?
If I could jump in here. It depends. Do you like to fly around people? If so the brushed whoop is a safer option. The power and high rotation of brushless isn't as safe around others. If people generally aren't around or really close, or your skills are ready the brushless micro like the swirlie are a different kind of fun and allow us to explore our piloting skills more. Of course the build is much different than a brushed build.
Thanks Nick.
I think ill go with another whoop for now because being in the Pacific North West most of my flying will be indoors, sometimes around people and pets. When the rain stops ill look into going for something brushless. Plus, at the rate these little guys are improving I might have some more options or at least better prices by then.
David DeMarta if you've got some isopropyl alcohol or methylated spirits around you can try scrubbing the board with a toothbrush with alcohol, it might fix it. I crashed my qx 90 into a ice cream tub full of water and it wouldnt work, I did some scrubbing with alcohol and got rid of all the corrosion and it now flies perfectly again though the led strip out is a bit unstable
Feng9 I gave it a try but no luck.
Thanks for the tip tho
Does the femto f3 support betaflight and a buzzer for lvc?
yes and yes. Buzzer pads on are on the bottom.
Hi Nick! Can you tell me how I can get a JST plug on the ESC? Would I be better De-soldering the wire that came on it and buying a premade JST wire with the end, if so what guage wire do I need?
I wonder if the weird handling is from settling with power on one or two motors... like as you turn you're dipping through really dirty air and losing lift on the back motors and inside rear motor especially. The FC tries to compensate by dumping power into those motors that are losing lift, which only makes the issue worse. I wonder if stretching the design a bit - would resolve this? Just a thought.
Have you given these are try? hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-nano-tech-300mah-2s-45-90c-lipo-pack.html
Or without the JST: hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-nano-tech-300mah-2s-35-70c-lipo-pack-e-flite-eflb2002s25-micro-series-compatible.html
Without the jst: 16g
I have not tried those. I might get some...but the HK shipping...ouch.
Have you tried a Tattu 450mah 2S stick?
No. I do have some tattus coming, but I am not sure if any are 2S or not.
What did you use to cut your props down? And how long did you cut each blade?
I did finally buy a cut down tool from winder wonder works. winderwonderworks.com/products/micro-prop-cutter
Just ordered one myself, but it wont' be here for at least a few more days. Could you measure the distance from hub to end of the prop you cut down?
The only way I could get the measurement was from the motor stem to the inside edge of the prop guard. Its 21.95mm.
i sooo want 1. is there a bnf
Not to my knowledge. I think this is build only.
Amazing, are you flying acro mode ?
Thank you. Yes all acro in this video.
How long does oversky take to ship?
I have had orders take 6 weeks, but some only a little over 3weeks.
I want to remake this guy now
4 yrs ago this one.
Yup, this was the first videos of yours I watched. I still have this frame. Might be remaking this bad boi
Did you end up testing other props? If so, what are your favorite? Secondly, have you messed with the DYS 1102 10000kvs yet?
I have a set of the dys 1102 10000kv, but don't have a frame for them yet. I have stuck with these props so far.
Nick Burns Thanks! Ordering everything soon. Torn between the Racerstar 1103 10000kv and the DYS 1102 10000kv. Going with the Cicada 10A 4-in-1, so maybe the DYS are the better way (3S capable)...
I do suspect the hq3020 props would be a good match cut down, but those are hard to find in stock. Yes, the dys is 3s capable. If your going 3s pretty much choice made DYS. should be rocket.
Nick Burns Probably a bit to much (if there is such a thing). I just want to keep my 3S option open. :) Thanks again for the feedback.
Ordered some of these - hopefully they will perform!! www.mylipo.us/Lipo-350mAh-74V-35C/70C-JST-red-Connector
do you have anything for sale 2.or 3 s micros?
I don't. But I am doing regular giveaways. Selling makes me feel a bit sketchy. I have crash everything I have....often, if I sold it and it didn't last long I would feel terrible.
no worries ill keep a eye out thank you and great flying btw
Great quad bro but damn bro how many couches u got hahaha
Well done👌😉🖒
thank you
Will this carry a GoPro? (Sorry, had to ask / love it when people ask that question - come on people!)
How high will it go. :P
Right! Love that one too! :-)
What kind of brushless gimbals go with this build?
Nice! :-)
How many flips can it do in a row?
Which props?
Cool thanks, i'm actually interested in getting them for my Hubsan, so no need to cut. :) I'm too cost conscious to get into the serious FPV stuff, sub-$100 is where its at :D
impressiv!!
yes it is.
How is the durability on this?
pretty good, but not as robust as the hoverbot, the hoberboth doesn't have 3d printed support structures like this one does.
What about the carbon fiber, does that break?
anything will break with enough impact, but carbon is strong and the vehicle is about 60grams with battery. Should take a pretty sever crash to break the carbon
Is that a bunker in your basement?
bunker? No standard basement with an unfinished area for storage.
looks too fast to fly indoors for me! ill have to work on my control
You would always fly in angle or horizon mode and change the camera angle to be more flat. that would naturally slow us down.
Can I buy it from you?
I think I am going to hold onto this one. You should build one, building is fun too.
Nick Burns I'm new to this kind of thing and may build one based off this video. If you have any micro quads you would like to sell let me know please!
brilliant love it .... :)
Me too.
New bonus feature, cut your childs hair!! lol
Nice flying! You make it look far too easy!
thank you. I do fly very often and have so much fun....need a bumper sticker "a bad day of fpv is better than a good day..."
Hi Nick, on mini cameras you list the CM275. I flew couple of my TinyWhoops this weekend and tested two of my CM/VM275 cams and a new Eachine EF-02 goo.gl/soFgar which is just as light and 800TVL. My eyes much prefer the EF-02 and light handling is better. Just a trivia note.
I happen to have one on the desk I am prepping for a side by side comparison. I will definitely do now. Thanks for the heads up.
I'd be interested in your review of those, maybe you could make it an official mini-review. I don't post video much on TH-cam so you're the man for that! My wife looking through a stand alone 7" monitor also preferred the EF-02. Careful though, *use the power leads it comes with!* They reverse the polarity on the EF-02 vs 'standard' 1.25mm JST.
Great tip. Thank you.
Damn you have a big house you must live in Idaho. Because in California that would have a 6 million dollar house.
Wicked
bravissimo ciao
I meant 2S sorry
Racerstar triblade 55mm and 65mm 1.5 hole props are badly balanced. The 55m are better and worked well on my Aurora 90 build. Just got the Racerstar 2035 and they are much better props. The 2035s also work great cut down to two blades.
What Men do when the wife isn't home. :-)
My wife was actually home for many flights, she is pretty confident I won't do any damage. I have flown around her when she is in the area, she almost always just waves and then tells me not to use the flight in a video...camera shy. :)
Uh, oh Nick, now there are 0703 Brushless motors. bit.ly/2mBbgGC Who will get them first!? BG says "we are preparing to sell the 60mm frame kit, please wait patiently" Sub-Inductrix size! It will have to be in your fleet.
I don't see a matching frame for these. They will sure be interesting to try.
0703 Motors just appeared in stock, I have some 10KV on the way! goo.gl/GuiAds
They say they will have 12KV and even 15KV versions! Whoop Whoop!
Have you tried max amps 400mah 3s batteries? They are rated true 100C. They are not cheap at about $20 each, but well worth it. MaxAmps.com
I have not tried those. I would be hesitant to review as well. Rumor has it, negative reviews get hassled or sued.