I'm completely blown away by your knowledge of waterproof garment care. I know A LOT about technical garments and you did a fantastic job of educating your audience of the down dirty way(s) to care and repair their beloved rain gear.
A tip from my scuba diving days. When storing the jacket, leave the slider at the mid point of the zip. That way if it gets stuck, you can manipulate the slider in two directions.
As with any type of kit and Gore-Tex has been around for decades you need to find the right jacket to suit your needs. Yes, it is highly breathable but you can overwhelm the jacket if you are a heavy sweater and with activities that are heavily aerobic, some jackets such as my Northface pac-light shell has zippered vents in the armpits to help dump heat and potentially avoid soaking up on the inside. Plus it's helpful to wear a dry-fit type of undergarment to avoid the membrane from contacting directly on your skin, some of the newer jackets are 3 layers to provide that barrier from the actual membrane. The beauty of Gore-Tex and WindStopper jackets is that they are windproof and keeping the wind and the effects of wind-chill off your core, this will keep you warm on a miserable day. I would suggest Gore's Windstopper because it can vent moisture better than Gore-Tex and is water resistant if you keep up with the DWR, I use Scotchguard, it will keep you dry in a moderate rain. If you don't think Gore product breath, you can always wear a trash bag and see the difference first hand. The most trying problem I ran into with Gore Bike Wear products was the sizing, some products run extremely small, even in XXL, after finally getting someone on the phone here in the U.S. which was a PIA, she related that sizes in the C3 branded items are "normally" sized and the C5 & C7 run small, I'm talking 2 sizes too small. They have an excellent free return policy here in the US, so you can order a few jackets and return the ones that don't fit. I just received this Gore product yesterday when they ran their 30% off Black Friday Special: www.gorewear.com/us/en-us/gore-c3-gore-windstopper-urban-camo-jacket-100219.html?dwvar_100219_color=AF00&cgid=gw_men_clothing_jackets#prefn1=fabricTechnology&prefv1=GORE%C2%AE+WINDSTOPPER%C2%AE+PRODUCTS&start=19&cgid=gw_men_clothing_jackets
Can’t say enough about Gore Tex... I’ve been wearing the same Gore Tex jacket since 2008! Yes it tends to be an investment but it holds up so well over time that it’s worth it!
I had one from 1980-something that my father had from a magazine photoshoot, finally had to put it to rest several years ago. might be breathable when you're not working too hard, but I have yet to find any breathable product that can keep up with my body's respiration during real work. likewise, I have yet to find any DWR clothing that can repell water for longer than a run from the door of a building to a parked vehicle
Most or all Winter clothing indicate not to use fabric softener. I guess they refer to liquid fabric softeners only, but what about dryer sheets (also fabric softener but way more focused on fragrance rather than softening)? Also, don't forget that all fabrics with expandex should always use delicate cycle mode (washer and dryer). High heat temperatures (water or air) will ruin the elasticity. I've been using fabric softener dryer sheets and so far so good... But still wondering if I'm not messing up my winter clothing little by little...?
Hey Doddy: Gore makes permanent beading jackets now so that it doesn't require DWR treatment. I have the Arc'teryx Norvan rain jacket and it's highly breathable super light and I never have to use DWR~ However, I definitely won't use it for mountain biking. Only for trail jogging in the rain during the spring and summer.
@@scratchy996 As I mentioned in my post: it doesn't use or need DWR treatment. The jackets material is permanently hydrophobic and will bead water for the life of the product.
@@scratchy996 Yes. But again like I said before there is NO waterproofing involved to keep the water beading. Waterproof jackets are waterproof however they use DWR treatment to make the water bead off the jacket. Even if the DWR treatment wears off the jacket is still waterproof however it will just soak up water on the outer shell making it heavy and longer to dry off. Gore has their "Shake dry" fabric that does not need DWR treatment so you don't need to apply it over time. And yes the jacket I own and all other waterproof jackets will remain waterproof so long as the fabric doesn't tear open.
@@liquidSpin Thank you for the answer. I Know about the DWR and stuff, just wanted to know if the jacked still does its job after all these years. I have had bad experiences with Gore-Tex shoes, then I found out that it's normal, the Gore-Tex material disintegrates in shoes, especially light weight shoes, due to friction. That's why I asked about Gore-Tex jackets and their lifespan.
Cool vid Doddy, I,m always wearing out the stitching in the crotch area of my regular cordura riding shorts and trousers, especially in the winter when that Peak District grinding paste is all over your seat. I have tried a local garment repair shop but they soon split again 🙄 Do you have any tips on what to do? These shorts and pants are not cheap 😒
My 2 years old Shimano MW700 shoes are not waterproof anymore. After 2 hours rain, they are completely filled of water. What can you recommend to reproof them ?
Hi Doddy, I was thinking awesome, my Goretex pro jckt, that no amount of washing with nikwax techwash and similar or all the spray on or wash in reproof dwr can make bead again, can be washed with normal bio detergent. And maybe that wud work...but reading gore website and comments, seem like this is plain wrong? Can u clarify for all with Gore and pin the post. Cheers
I've found no sources on nikwax tx.direct wash in being bad for gore tex and many many sources that say they should be used on gore tex. Are you sure they should not be used??
And on the same link they specify that you need to use heat to reactivate the original DWR. They also write that this does not apply to shakedry (same with wash in). However shakedry is only used on those superlight roadie jackets, and they cant even take a backpack without being ruined and not what Doddy is wearing. Sorry for being negative here, but I had to watch this video after the last one where you said NOT to wash your waterproofs, which is the opposite to what gore and manufacturers say. If you dont wash your membranes they dont work, simple as that. Some companies doesn't even warranty jackets if they have not been washed regularly.
he said TX was _FOR_ Goretex..... however not to use other restoration washes, including other Nikwax products because they can clog the pores in Goretex
Reproofing jackets at home really doesn't work for longer than the first ride after a wash. For the price of the wash-ins it's too expensive to continually reproof. I've all but given up on waterproofs, I much prefer good quality windproofs that dry quickly. My next jacket will be something like Colombia's Outdry - it has the membrane on the outside negating the need for face fabrics and temporary DWR treatments. And FTR don't use Bio or Non-bio washing powders - this is common knowledge for outdoor fabrics. Use gentle soap flakes or liquid for wool.
Hi Guys! I like your videos! It's one of the best channels on TH-cam with educational content. Could you please answer a few questions for me? I’ve been riding hardtails for quite a while and I want to switch to all suspension bike. I want buy Giant Trance or Anthem. I'm not going to ride any extreme steep technical trails, just something between trail riding or XC racing. And the answer is apparent - Giant Anthem. But I’m not sure in the quality of that bike. There are dozens of posts on forums and videos with folded broken Anthem's frames. A lot of people say that Anthem has very thin and light frame compare to Trance. And I’ve never seen or read about broken Trance frame. Can you confirm or deny that information? I want kind of universal bike, so I could have fun on trails and at the same time ride in parks with my family. And last question what’s your recommendation for the bike size? I’m 6’2” (188cm), 180lb (82Kg). It looks like my size somewhere in between L and XL. Thank You!
Anthem rider here. I've had no issues with it's strength or its geometry. I love the way it climbs and have confidence in it when descending. But, if I was buying again, I'd go for the extra travel and thicker fork on the trance. No question about it.
I have yet to find a breathable material that is breathable enough, nor a wickable material that is wickable enough, nor a DWR coating that can be repellent enough. as pointed out by that other person, worry about staying warm, even if damp inside the waterproof shell... likewise I've never had anyone else tell me any different. honestly, it's just not a realistic goal. when there's moisture already on the outside, where's the moisture in the inside supposed to go? when you're beading up sweat on your skin, those tiny pores only work for water vapor, so your sweat is trapped inside. If a wicking material wicked fast enough to carry the sweat away as fast as your body excreted it, you'd get cold.
They're not that breathable at all (i own lots of them) specially on high intensity sections, and they are really vulnerable to punctures or crashes against rock, asphalt or any rough terrain. With all that said, t's a fundamental piece of gear for me, you just have to know the specifics of your jacket and avoid big crashes. Easy to clean and to repair too, avoid cheap ones.
Doddy I don't agree sorry. The membrane is not recyclable on gore-Tex and really not that greater product. Why didn't you talk more about sympatex, everyone knows it's so much better and recyclable. Think recyclable should be more featured.
had a coworker that tried that... he said he didn't know why he didn't turn around and leave it home because now he had to carry that useless thing back with him 🤣
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I'm completely blown away by your knowledge of waterproof garment care. I know A LOT about technical garments and you did a fantastic job of educating your audience of the down dirty way(s) to care and repair their beloved rain gear.
A tip from my scuba diving days. When storing the jacket, leave the slider at the mid point of the zip. That way if it gets stuck, you can manipulate the slider in two directions.
thats a great tip thanks
As with any type of kit and Gore-Tex has been around for decades you need to find the right jacket to suit your needs. Yes, it is highly breathable but you can overwhelm the jacket if you are a heavy sweater and with activities that are heavily aerobic, some jackets such as my Northface pac-light shell has zippered vents in the armpits to help dump heat and potentially avoid soaking up on the inside. Plus it's helpful to wear a dry-fit type of undergarment to avoid the membrane from contacting directly on your skin, some of the newer jackets are 3 layers to provide that barrier from the actual membrane. The beauty of Gore-Tex and WindStopper jackets is that they are windproof and keeping the wind and the effects of wind-chill off your core, this will keep you warm on a miserable day. I would suggest Gore's Windstopper because it can vent moisture better than Gore-Tex and is water resistant if you keep up with the DWR, I use Scotchguard, it will keep you dry in a moderate rain. If you don't think Gore product breath, you can always wear a trash bag and see the difference first hand. The most trying problem I ran into with Gore Bike Wear products was the sizing, some products run extremely small, even in XXL, after finally getting someone on the phone here in the U.S. which was a PIA, she related that sizes in the C3 branded items are "normally" sized and the C5 & C7 run small, I'm talking 2 sizes too small. They have an excellent free return policy here in the US, so you can order a few jackets and return the ones that don't fit.
I just received this Gore product yesterday when they ran their 30% off Black Friday Special:
www.gorewear.com/us/en-us/gore-c3-gore-windstopper-urban-camo-jacket-100219.html?dwvar_100219_color=AF00&cgid=gw_men_clothing_jackets#prefn1=fabricTechnology&prefv1=GORE%C2%AE+WINDSTOPPER%C2%AE+PRODUCTS&start=19&cgid=gw_men_clothing_jackets
Super insightful, didn't even think there would be so much to waterproof jacket maintenance.
Could have just taken two steps to your right, then you wouldn't have needed a waterproof!
If there's one thing I learned in the army it's.. IRON IT!!! IRON EVERYTHING!!! :D
We are waiting for Doddy going waterproof on the Nukeproof...
Gore and Assos have am awesome repair service! Had to test ist a few years ago.
Great informative video guys, i had no idea regarding fabric conditioner I shall be avoiding that next time we wash kit !
Can’t say enough about Gore Tex... I’ve been wearing the same Gore Tex jacket since 2008! Yes it tends to be an investment but it holds up so well over time that it’s worth it!
I had one from 1980-something that my father had from a magazine photoshoot, finally had to put it to rest several years ago. might be breathable when you're not working too hard, but I have yet to find any breathable product that can keep up with my body's respiration during real work. likewise, I have yet to find any DWR clothing that can repell water for longer than a run from the door of a building to a parked vehicle
Candle to take care of your zippers. Just take a candle and apply on the contacting parts of the zipper. The wax will help smooth the zip operation.
Hello your very knowledgeable in this subject (mtb)
Like always a good video, but
Gore says don't wash their clothes with washing powders just with liquids . Powders can damage the jackets.
Thanks, Doddy, sorry they got ye with the hose
Spot on Doddy 👍
I prefer Gear Aid products. I've had really good luck with fixing my own high-end gear with what they offer.
Most or all Winter clothing indicate not to use fabric softener. I guess they refer to liquid fabric softeners only, but what about dryer sheets (also fabric softener but way more focused on fragrance rather than softening)?
Also, don't forget that all fabrics with expandex should always use delicate cycle mode (washer and dryer). High heat temperatures (water or air) will ruin the elasticity.
I've been using fabric softener dryer sheets and so far so good... But still wondering if I'm not messing up my winter clothing little by little...?
Hey Doddy: Gore makes permanent beading jackets now so that it doesn't require DWR treatment. I have the Arc'teryx Norvan rain jacket and it's highly breathable super light and I never have to use DWR~ However, I definitely won't use it for mountain biking. Only for trail jogging in the rain during the spring and summer.
How long did the wateproofing last on that jacket ?
@@scratchy996 As I mentioned in my post: it doesn't use or need DWR treatment. The jackets material is permanently hydrophobic and will bead water for the life of the product.
@@liquidSpin Your post was from two years ago, that's why I asked.
So you're saying the jacket kept its waterproofing for several years ?
@@scratchy996 Yes. But again like I said before there is NO waterproofing involved to keep the water beading.
Waterproof jackets are waterproof however they use DWR treatment to make the water bead off the jacket. Even if the DWR treatment wears off the jacket is still waterproof however it will just soak up water on the outer shell making it heavy and longer to dry off.
Gore has their "Shake dry" fabric that does not need DWR treatment so you don't need to apply it over time.
And yes the jacket I own and all other waterproof jackets will remain waterproof so long as the fabric doesn't tear open.
@@liquidSpin Thank you for the answer. I Know about the DWR and stuff, just wanted to know if the jacked still does its job after all these years.
I have had bad experiences with Gore-Tex shoes, then I found out that it's normal, the Gore-Tex material disintegrates in shoes, especially light weight shoes, due to friction.
That's why I asked about Gore-Tex jackets and their lifespan.
Great vid! Thanks doddy!
Cool vid Doddy, I,m always wearing out the stitching in the crotch area of my regular cordura riding shorts and trousers, especially in the winter when that Peak District grinding paste is all over your seat. I have tried a local garment repair shop but they soon split again 🙄 Do you have any tips on what to do? These shorts and pants are not cheap 😒
I was always told only use Non Bio on waterproof/resistant materials.
My 2 years old Shimano MW700 shoes are not waterproof anymore. After 2 hours rain, they are completely filled of water. What can you recommend to reproof them ?
Great video very informative
Spray a product like NeverWet on the coat for more waterproofing.
I am wondering. Was it Blake on the other end of the hose as a final good by to his previous life not he's an adult? I mean parent.
Thanks for ts!
Gore is breathable when it's dry outside, not much when you actually need it, when it rains. That's how osmosis works
Isnt that why ut needs dwr! Only stops breathing when it wets out!
Hi Doddy, I was thinking awesome, my Goretex pro jckt, that no amount of washing with nikwax techwash and similar or all the spray on or wash in reproof dwr can make bead again, can be washed with normal bio detergent. And maybe that wud work...but reading gore website and comments, seem like this is plain wrong? Can u clarify for all with Gore and pin the post. Cheers
I've found no sources on nikwax tx.direct wash in being bad for gore tex and many many sources that say they should be used on gore tex. Are you sure they should not be used??
www.gore-tex.com/restoring-water-repellency This is Gore themselves saying you should reapply a new water treatment, either by spray-on OR wash in
And on the same link they specify that you need to use heat to reactivate the original DWR. They also write that this does not apply to shakedry (same with wash in). However shakedry is only used on those superlight roadie jackets, and they cant even take a backpack without being ruined and not what Doddy is wearing. Sorry for being negative here, but I had to watch this video after the last one where you said NOT to wash your waterproofs, which is the opposite to what gore and manufacturers say. If you dont wash your membranes they dont work, simple as that. Some companies doesn't even warranty jackets if they have not been washed regularly.
he said TX was _FOR_ Goretex..... however not to use other restoration washes, including other Nikwax products because they can clog the pores in Goretex
Check again, there is even a prompt saying "never use reproofers on gore"
This needs Doddy contacting Goretex for clarification, as always when bullshit marketing meets real life...
Reproofing jackets at home really doesn't work for longer than the first ride after a wash. For the price of the wash-ins it's too expensive to continually reproof. I've all but given up on waterproofs, I much prefer good quality windproofs that dry quickly. My next jacket will be something like Colombia's Outdry - it has the membrane on the outside negating the need for face fabrics and temporary DWR treatments.
And FTR don't use Bio or Non-bio washing powders - this is common knowledge for outdoor fabrics. Use gentle soap flakes or liquid for wool.
Doddy said Gore recommend normal household detergent (I.e. bio or non bio) for gore Tex, just nit softener?
What about The North Face's FUTURELIGHT?
Hi Guys! I like your videos!
It's one of the best channels on TH-cam with educational content.
Could you please answer a few questions for me? I’ve been riding
hardtails for quite a while and I want to switch to all suspension bike. I want buy Giant Trance or Anthem. I'm not going to ride any extreme steep technical trails, just something
between trail riding or XC racing. And the answer is apparent - Giant
Anthem. But I’m not sure in the quality of that bike. There are dozens
of posts on forums and videos with folded broken Anthem's frames. A lot of people
say that Anthem has very thin and light frame compare to Trance. And
I’ve never seen or read about broken Trance frame. Can you confirm or deny that information? I want kind of universal bike, so I could have fun on trails and at the same time ride in parks with my family. And last question what’s your recommendation for the bike size? I’m
6’2” (188cm), 180lb (82Kg). It looks like my size somewhere in between L and XL. Thank You!
Trance. It will be more fun and you will probably start going steeper once your progressing. I know I did.
I should buy the Trance size L, because L is smaller it is more playfull.
Anthem rider here. I've had no issues with it's strength or its geometry. I love the way it climbs and have confidence in it when descending. But, if I was buying again, I'd go for the extra travel and thicker fork on the trance. No question about it.
Good video bro
Is waterproof jacket from ekoi good?
Missing The Dirt Shed Show on Fridays
Nice video Doddy! 👍🏻
Great video could you please make a video on protecting your bike
They have already
I´ve gore-tex jacket from chainractioncycle. I´ve bought it two months ago. Yes it´s waterproof, but not breathable. I feel sweaty. What´s problem?
Maybe you're just a sweaty person
At the end of the day you’re putting on a jacket which is designed to keep you warm
I have yet to find a breathable material that is breathable enough, nor a wickable material that is wickable enough, nor a DWR coating that can be repellent enough. as pointed out by that other person, worry about staying warm, even if damp inside the waterproof shell... likewise I've never had anyone else tell me any different. honestly, it's just not a realistic goal. when there's moisture already on the outside, where's the moisture in the inside supposed to go? when you're beading up sweat on your skin, those tiny pores only work for water vapor, so your sweat is trapped inside. If a wicking material wicked fast enough to carry the sweat away as fast as your body excreted it, you'd get cold.
Which did you buy
@@sweeneyTodd-de4by Gore Wear C3 Gore-Tex Paclite Hooded Jacket SS18
Doddy i love your "tech side" but be in some ride video too :D
BTW where is Jess? Is she left?
Yeah, I was wondering where she is too
These things need more care than the bike. It's worth it though.
I have to maintain my jacket as well my bike ? Getting too old for this sh#t
l ride motobIke to work every l looking for good faincoat pls how to reach you l:m in Singapore
*How to not get wet:*
_Turn the hose off_ 😂
I'm yet to find a waterproof jacket that doesn't get sweaty and wet on the inside when working hard in the rain!
Thought today would of been the cheap bike challenge 😔
What are the bad points though. There must be some or even one.
The ClanAdventures it’s an advert for the clothing
They're not that breathable at all (i own lots of them) specially on high intensity sections, and they are really vulnerable to punctures or crashes against rock, asphalt or any rough terrain. With all that said, t's a fundamental piece of gear for me, you just have to know the specifics of your jacket and avoid big crashes. Easy to clean and to repair too, avoid cheap ones.
@@ftrujillomunizaga My question to you is, why do you pay so much extra money for breathable fabrics if they're not actually breathable?
I had a hard time watching this video I kept staring at the Steve Pete Beer. What is the story with that?
Keep it up
Doddy I don't agree sorry. The membrane is not recyclable on gore-Tex and really not that greater product. Why didn't you talk more about sympatex, everyone knows it's so much better and recyclable. Think recyclable should be more featured.
Has Jess left?
This.
Lol road bikers don’t need to worry about zips as they dint have any at all. As they want to be stream lined.
Like the video
From-sabah malaysia
This is just a 10 minute advert
I'm just riding with an umbrella...
had a coworker that tried that... he said he didn't know why he didn't turn around and leave it home because now he had to carry that useless thing back with him 🤣
@@better.better Carry…...ZIP TIES!
ooo beer )))
Bit of a shill
Gore are way overpriced. I use other options. (Some with Goretex)
Made in China.. . Why China?
5th
8th hi
6th comment!