@storyacoustic As someone who's practiced martial arts for the past 20 years, I beg to differ. The Kenpo school I went to as a child was complete art centered in practicality. It was not some watered down "quick fix" self-defense course designed to quickly get people up speed, with glaring holes in it's training. Yet it taught students self-defense immediately. Free, heavy contact sparring was mandatory within the first few weeks of practice. [Part 1]
my school is only $20 a month, and i like it. i haven't been doing it for very long, but i learned a lot in the short amount of time i was there for. i will get back into it soon. my schedule is too busy at the moment, though.
Tony Nyc Thanks, yeah BJJ and MMA-oriented schools are much more popular these days. Personally, I like the more traditional types of jujitsu and aikijujutsu systems best. The nage (throwing) work and the variety of techniques keeps it interesting.
The grappling in Danzan ryu comes from pre-1925 Kodokan Newaza not BJJ. In fact Danzan ryu style was founded in 1925 around the same time the Gracies were still training with Donatos Pires(Maeda's student) which later became the first Gracie Academy. Danzan Ryu newaza comes from this Judo substyle(ruleset actually) founded in 1898-present(Nanatei or Kosen Judo) th-cam.com/video/xwhXVkeSj-0/w-d-xo.html
@aknowneemus . DZR on the other hand, follows the traditional emphasis on several components groundfighting, throwing, falling, vulnerable points, choking and locking, striking. Different dojos emphasize different elements, although they have the same core syllabus. At the DZR NYC dojo in addition to the traditional elements and self defence arts, we do a lot of conditioning, and we also spar under judo rules in stand-up and ground fighting to allow people to test their technique under stress.
although the injury victims are merely practicing their rights, this is exactly what u get if you wanna take Martial Arts seriously. infact the same thing can be said about all sports. Dont expect to learn effective self defense without getting hurt a little. imho unless u are in ur 50's, if u are not willing to get hurt to learn, dont come, dont bash the dojo for teaching u the right stuff
Jiu Jitsu (or Jujitsu or Jujutsu) is transliterated from the Japanese word 柔術, which means "yielding art". Because converting Japanese or Chinese characters into an English or Latin alphabet is based on the sounds of the words, there are often several interpretations. For instance, 氣功 Qigong is also written as "Ch'i Kung" in English. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which originated with Mitsuyo Maeda, is often written "Jiu Jitsu". Lineages from Seishiro Okazaki tend to use the spelling "Jujitsu".
@aknowneemus . It's different. BJJ is an offshoot of Kano's judo (I believe it was still called jiujutsu sometimes then). At that stage Kano had removed a lot of the striking techniques etc.In Brazil it was refined further and developed its emphasis on groundfighting. Most pure BJJ players would cheerfully admit they don't spend much time on throwing, falling or striking. That said, they have great conditioning, and get a lot of groundfighting experience through constant playing
Thanks! Sure, lots of common training and conditioning techniques. It all comes from the same root of course. I'm sure they've been shrimping in Japan since before Jigoro Kano.
@Daedalus294, @namayake. I can assure you that is not the way we train at DZR NYC. We are a small club run on a nonprofit basis at very reasonable fees (no contracts, no grading fees etc. We don't even get charged for the physical belt), and while we try to train hard, any time we spar, we are reminded to take care of each other, avoid inflicting injuries, and bring along the new guys with encouragement.
Great! Nice to hear from someone in the Ohana. Is your training similar to what you see here? I know we all come from Okazaki, but every dojo is different. Our dojo cross-trains some for competitive Judo, so we do a lot of nage.
@namayake I'm surprised to hear of your experience. I don't represent DZR Jujitsu - I can only speak as one participant - but I've found that the AJJF (one of several DZR organizations) is committed to the esoteric principles of the founder, Henry Okazaki, which focus on honoring your elders and perfection of character. And generally trains with a deep sense of kokua (mutual benefit.) Martial arts practically is ripe for endless trolling... but I'm glad you found something that works for you.
@moelicious416 I am a former Judoka and a current Sambo player ... this style has techniques I never seen before in modern Judo/Sambo. This seems to incorporate some of Aikido, which is beautiful.
My experience with DZR was quite poor. I went to a DZR studio as child looking to learn self-defense as I was being bullied & beaten nearly everyday. The instructors told my father some philosophical junk & I was enrolled for 2 years. I trained as hard as I could but their was no emphasis on practical application. I continued to be bullied & beaten to a pulp. None of that changed until I quit & joined an American Kenpo school. The only thing good I learned through DZR was how to break a fall.
@@thegoodstuff3148 are you talking just traditional martial arts or are you including boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, bjj, etc.? I agree if you mean the former, but the latter gives a breadth of knowledge I'd say have great, though imperfect application for the street. But what's this New York culture you're talking about?
@@thegoodstuff3148 yeah, I agree. Traditional arts are mostly useless. The other arts though, like boxing, wrestling, etc., need some modification to be more street applicable. That's why I said they were imperfect. Obviously on the street you have to be prepared for an attacker using deadly force. And you were talking about theater in New York, and stage fighting. Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.
@vaultbull706 This looks like the same style of jujitsu my dojo does. This looks like a traditional jujitsu school; the art is the grandfather of karate, aikido, judo, brazilian, etc; there are so many techniques that you will eventually learn the Ne Waza techniques. Whenever I tell anyone I practice jujitsu, they automatically assume Brazilian Jiujitsu.
@storyacoustic Really it depends on the emphasis of the school. Some focus on the philosophical/spiritual side with community at it's center, others focus on sport & showmanship while others focus on practicality. Unfortunately most of the non-practical nature are either poorly informed or outright lie about their focus. The more they can convince that their art is suited for, the more students they'll obtain & the more money they'll make, but at the expense of ill-informed students. [Part 2]
I think a lot of that comes from the cost of insurance and fear of injury lawsuits. Many of us here cross train in Judo and we get an opportunity to go full-force/full-speed that way. But that's also where you get a lot of injuries. You need both. My philosophy is you might as well do some competition when you're young; but if you want to practice when you're 50, 60+, keep up the kata. That way you'll still be dangerous when you're an old fart.
@shenzino Trying emulate "Osensei" seems like idol worship to me, which seems to be a common theme in many traditional Japanese martial arts (ie Aikido). So is having some "spiritual" philosophy at it's core. What I wonder is how much of the money these schools take goes directly to foundations setup in the names of the founders? It makes me think of L. Ron Hubbard & the Scientology Foundation.
I think in most traditional martial arts, there's a reverence for the founders. Danzan Ryu is not all that old, so while there's some dogma around how to do techniques, students are encouraged to make it work for themselves. Also, many people cross train, either for competition or self-defense, so they can compare and make stuff work for themselves. I can't speak for all of the Danzan Ryu organizations, but I know in the AJJF, most dojos are very small clubs, with dues less than $100/month, which goes towards studio rental. There's a trivial amount of registration fees that go to the central organization. Almost everything in the organization is volunteer. People do this particular style because they enjoy the training and the camaraderie. If I were to level a criticism, it's that they haven't managed to monetize the system at all. It's kind of the opposite of a cult: there's nothing to believe in, the fees are low, students are constantly leaving, and the people at the top make $0.
@sandmanfluidfilm well said, although at age 50+, you might wanna consider Tai Chi if you've never trained in any art your whole life...just my opinion.
+Alex P Some basic techniques are required at the shodan level (first degree black belt.) Those help for common dojo or competition issues, for instance if a student has been choked out. Seifukujitsu is taught in parallel with the fighting arts. It's a really nice deep tissue massage course, incorporating knowledge from Chinese medicine and (traditionally...) bone setting. That's not required until godan (fifth degree black belt) but most instructors will have taken the course by then anyway, since they would have been training and teaching for over a decade. The Seifukujitsu courses are open to everyone.
Yes, some club members cross train and compete in Judo, and there is newaza and nage randori, although not as much as in a judo dojo. There's more time spent on newaza for randori, or sometimes they practice ashiwaza only for standup, simply because there are fewer injuries that way.
Indeed. I believe its a great martial art, but you don't really learn to defend yourself until you're a black belt. They waste too much time on complicated techniques that take years to be effective rather than keeping it simple. I still do it, but I cross train it with Krav Maga. I love Krav Maga because they don't waste any time there. The first week that I was there, they were already teaching me gun disarms and striking. I love Danzan Ryu, but it needs more practicality and sparring.
@sandmanfluidfilm Seems like the idea of "kokua" was thrown out the window. They took my father's money, I learned nothing - unless becoming a part of a quasi-spiritual, pacifist community was what I was supposed to get for what they were charging my father every month. That was hardly my reason for going though. But I think my experience is to be expected from an art that refuses teaching anyone even just how to block a punch until they're a black belt.
@storyacoustic In addressing your first point, that's probably true. Your second point though, all I can say is maybe. It's true things might escalate if a group of hoodlums find they can't squash their favorite target anymore, not so easily anyway & they refuse to accept it. Maybe I got lucky, but welcome to the reality of American society. We have a culture that values power, not justice, & our laws & politics reflect it. Why would things be any different on a personal level? [Part 1]
@storyacoustic And lastly, your viewpoint on dealing with bullies is too idealistic. In my case parents, teachers & local authorities refused to get personally involved for various reasons & excuses. It was left up to me to solve my own problem. Fortunately my father was willing to help me learn to properly defend myself by financing my studying of martial arts. If not for that I would have continued to be a victim of predatory violence. [Part 3 - End]
@storyacoustic In the US might makes right, & it's very much the same if you look at any other 3rd world country. Those with wealth have power over those with inferior wealth, & those more capable of violence have power over those less capable. I'm not saying this is right, in fact I would very much prefer it otherwise. But until the US starts acting like the 1st world country it claims to be, putting reason & justice first, I'm not going to just accept an ideal. [Part 2]
Withou a doubt one of the top ranking Danzan Ryu JUjitsu Videos I have seen. Very good quality!
Very well put together video, representing this fine art. Kudos to you all
Good stuff. Always appreciated the bring-your-lunch-pail mindset of serious DZR practitioners.
I like the making of the video, technics are well done!
@storyacoustic As someone who's practiced martial arts for the past 20 years, I beg to differ. The Kenpo school I went to as a child was complete art centered in practicality. It was not some watered down "quick fix" self-defense course designed to quickly get people up speed, with glaring holes in it's training. Yet it taught students self-defense immediately. Free, heavy contact sparring was mandatory within the first few weeks of practice. [Part 1]
my school is only $20 a month, and i like it. i haven't been doing it for very long, but i learned a lot in the short amount of time i was there for. i will get back into it soon. my schedule is too busy at the moment, though.
nicely shot video - great intro/marketing video
I like your video, put together very nicely!
Very nice, love the judo throws combined with bjj. It's refreshing to see unlike thr standard bjj that's taught around the city.
Tony Nyc Thanks, yeah BJJ and MMA-oriented schools are much more popular these days. Personally, I like the more traditional types of jujitsu and aikijujutsu systems best. The nage (throwing) work and the variety of techniques keeps it interesting.
I'm in the city, would like to stop by and preview or try out a class if possible.
Please contact the sensei of the dojo through the DZY NYC website.Thanks! www.dzrnyc.org/contact.html
The grappling in Danzan ryu comes from pre-1925 Kodokan Newaza not BJJ. In fact Danzan ryu style was founded in 1925 around the same time the Gracies were still training with Donatos Pires(Maeda's student) which later became the first Gracie Academy.
Danzan Ryu newaza comes from this Judo substyle(ruleset actually) founded in 1898-present(Nanatei or Kosen Judo)
th-cam.com/video/xwhXVkeSj-0/w-d-xo.html
Its a mixture of things, grappling, throws, joint locks, some karate and tae kwon do in there too
It's not the size of the man in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the man.
excellent job
@aknowneemus . DZR on the other hand, follows the traditional emphasis on several components groundfighting, throwing, falling, vulnerable points, choking and locking, striking. Different dojos emphasize different elements, although they have the same core syllabus. At the DZR NYC dojo in addition to the traditional elements and self defence arts, we do a lot of conditioning, and we also spar under judo rules in stand-up and ground fighting to allow people to test their technique under stress.
although the injury victims are merely practicing their rights, this is exactly what u get if you wanna take Martial Arts seriously. infact the same thing can be said about all sports. Dont expect to learn effective self defense without getting hurt a little. imho unless u are in ur 50's, if u are not willing to get hurt to learn, dont come, dont bash the dojo for teaching u the right stuff
Jiu Jitsu (or Jujitsu or Jujutsu) is transliterated from the Japanese word 柔術, which means "yielding art". Because converting Japanese or Chinese characters into an English or Latin alphabet is based on the sounds of the words, there are often several interpretations. For instance, 氣功 Qigong is also written as "Ch'i Kung" in English.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which originated with Mitsuyo Maeda, is often written "Jiu Jitsu". Lineages from Seishiro Okazaki tend to use the spelling "Jujitsu".
@aknowneemus . It's different. BJJ is an offshoot of Kano's judo (I believe it was still called jiujutsu sometimes then). At that stage Kano had removed a lot of the striking techniques etc.In Brazil it was refined further and developed its emphasis on groundfighting. Most pure BJJ players would cheerfully admit they don't spend much time on throwing, falling or striking. That said, they have great conditioning, and get a lot of groundfighting experience through constant playing
Nice vid. Always cool to see other's takes on Prof Okazaki's art! Do you guys train in the dark?! Ninja style DZR!!!
Thanks! Sure, lots of common training and conditioning techniques. It all comes from the same root of course. I'm sure they've been shrimping in Japan since before Jigoro Kano.
@Daedalus294, @namayake.
I can assure you that is not the way we train at DZR NYC. We are a small club run on a nonprofit basis at very reasonable fees (no contracts, no grading fees etc. We don't even get charged for the physical belt), and while we try to train hard, any time we spar, we are reminded to take care of each other, avoid inflicting injuries, and bring along the new guys with encouragement.
Im learning this right now
Great! Nice to hear from someone in the Ohana. Is your training similar to what you see here? I know we all come from Okazaki, but every dojo is different. Our dojo cross-trains some for competitive Judo, so we do a lot of nage.
@namayake I'm surprised to hear of your experience. I don't represent DZR Jujitsu - I can only speak as one participant - but I've found that the AJJF (one of several DZR organizations) is committed to the esoteric principles of the founder, Henry Okazaki, which focus on honoring your elders and perfection of character. And generally trains with a deep sense of kokua (mutual benefit.) Martial arts practically is ripe for endless trolling... but I'm glad you found something that works for you.
@moelicious416 I am a former Judoka and a current Sambo player ... this style has techniques I never seen before in modern Judo/Sambo. This seems to incorporate some of Aikido, which is beautiful.
My experience with DZR was quite poor. I went to a DZR studio as child looking to learn self-defense as I was being bullied & beaten nearly everyday. The instructors told my father some philosophical junk & I was enrolled for 2 years. I trained as hard as I could but their was no emphasis on practical application. I continued to be bullied & beaten to a pulp. None of that changed until I quit & joined an American Kenpo school. The only thing good I learned through DZR was how to break a fall.
@@thegoodstuff3148 are you talking just traditional martial arts or are you including boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, bjj, etc.? I agree if you mean the former, but the latter gives a breadth of knowledge I'd say have great, though imperfect application for the street. But what's this New York culture you're talking about?
@@thegoodstuff3148 yeah, I agree. Traditional arts are mostly useless. The other arts though, like boxing, wrestling, etc., need some modification to be more street applicable. That's why I said they were imperfect. Obviously on the street you have to be prepared for an attacker using deadly force. And you were talking about theater in New York, and stage fighting. Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.
@vaultbull706 This looks like the same style of jujitsu my dojo does. This looks like a traditional jujitsu school; the art is the grandfather of karate, aikido, judo, brazilian, etc; there are so many techniques that you will eventually learn the Ne Waza techniques.
Whenever I tell anyone I practice jujitsu, they automatically assume Brazilian Jiujitsu.
does dan zan ryu place a lot of emphasis on ground fighting similar to BJJ or is it mostly standing self defense and takedowns?
very nice,keep it up!
@storyacoustic I never stated a few weeks would solve a child's bullying problems. Your point?
@pcjudosambo Aikido actually branched off from jujitsu. Thats the source of the resemblance you see.
Cool video
Nice intro/marketing video. Hope your school does well.
Супер ! Спасибо! Очень интересно!
Who are the demonstrators? Thank you.
@JudokaGJJ . Re the randori, some do, some don't. I believe the AJJF is mulling over making it part of the curriculum.
I agree, very nice video. I also agree with JukIdo987, and Ironhand09. "LEARN TO FALL". This is really "IMPORTANT". Once again, very nice video.
i do bjj and i would not mid doing some Danzan Ryu classes. i could see a lit of this working against the cage in mma.
BJJ is sport, DZR is not. A lot of DZR techniques aren't allowed in MMA because of RULES (sport).
What do you mean? I saw katate tori in the gun art. Stuff is stuff.
@storyacoustic Really it depends on the emphasis of the school. Some focus on the philosophical/spiritual side with community at it's center, others focus on sport & showmanship while others focus on practicality. Unfortunately most of the non-practical nature are either poorly informed or outright lie about their focus. The more they can convince that their art is suited for, the more students they'll obtain & the more money they'll make, but at the expense of ill-informed students. [Part 2]
I think a lot of that comes from the cost of insurance and fear of injury lawsuits. Many of us here cross train in Judo and we get an opportunity to go full-force/full-speed that way. But that's also where you get a lot of injuries. You need both. My philosophy is you might as well do some competition when you're young; but if you want to practice when you're 50, 60+, keep up the kata. That way you'll still be dangerous when you're an old fart.
@shenzino Trying emulate "Osensei" seems like idol worship to me, which seems to be a common theme in many traditional Japanese martial arts (ie Aikido). So is having some "spiritual" philosophy at it's core. What I wonder is how much of the money these schools take goes directly to foundations setup in the names of the founders? It makes me think of L. Ron Hubbard & the Scientology Foundation.
I think in most traditional martial arts, there's a reverence for the founders. Danzan Ryu is not all that old, so while there's some dogma around how to do techniques, students are encouraged to make it work for themselves. Also, many people cross train, either for competition or self-defense, so they can compare and make stuff work for themselves. I can't speak for all of the Danzan Ryu organizations, but I know in the AJJF, most dojos are very small clubs, with dues less than $100/month, which goes towards studio rental. There's a trivial amount of registration fees that go to the central organization. Almost everything in the organization is volunteer. People do this particular style because they enjoy the training and the camaraderie. If I were to level a criticism, it's that they haven't managed to monetize the system at all. It's kind of the opposite of a cult: there's nothing to believe in, the fees are low, students are constantly leaving, and the people at the top make $0.
@sandmanfluidfilm well said, although at age 50+, you might wanna consider Tai Chi if you've never trained in any art your whole life...just my opinion.
Dis why braddhas i lovei
O da kind
Sandy, is the healing part mandatory? thanks
+Alex P Some basic techniques are required at the shodan level (first degree black belt.) Those help for common dojo or competition issues, for instance if a student has been choked out.
Seifukujitsu is taught in parallel with the fighting arts. It's a really nice deep tissue massage course, incorporating knowledge from Chinese medicine and (traditionally...) bone setting. That's not required until godan (fifth degree black belt) but most instructors will have taken the course by then anyway, since they would have been training and teaching for over a decade. The Seifukujitsu courses are open to everyone.
Sandy Chase reminds me of Judo unlike other Japanese Jujitsu schools like "Atemi Ryu" do you guys do nage waza randori and newaza randori?
Yes, some club members cross train and compete in Judo, and there is newaza and nage randori, although not as much as in a judo dojo. There's more time spent on newaza for randori, or sometimes they practice ashiwaza only for standup, simply because there are fewer injuries that way.
So it's Hawaiian jiu-jitsu
it is indeed DZR, albeit a little sloppy,
nice video regardless
Indeed. I believe its a great martial art, but you don't really learn to defend yourself until you're a black belt. They waste too much time on complicated techniques that take years to be effective rather than keeping it simple. I still do it, but I cross train it with Krav Maga. I love Krav Maga because they don't waste any time there. The first week that I was there, they were already teaching me gun disarms and striking. I love Danzan Ryu, but it needs more practicality and sparring.
Interesting how BJJ is different... curious.
BJJ is sport, DZR is not
Yes, it’s a sport. But the live sparring makes it very good for self defense. With some minor adjustments.
yeah sorry dude i realised this a few minutes after i wrote it sorry if i offended u
@sandmanfluidfilm Seems like the idea of "kokua" was thrown out the window. They took my father's money, I learned nothing - unless becoming a part of a quasi-spiritual, pacifist community was what I was supposed to get for what they were charging my father every month. That was hardly my reason for going though. But I think my experience is to be expected from an art that refuses teaching anyone even just how to block a punch until they're a black belt.
@storyacoustic In addressing your first point, that's probably true. Your second point though, all I can say is maybe. It's true things might escalate if a group of hoodlums find they can't squash their favorite target anymore, not so easily anyway & they refuse to accept it. Maybe I got lucky, but welcome to the reality of American society. We have a culture that values power, not justice, & our laws & politics reflect it. Why would things be any different on a personal level? [Part 1]
@storyacoustic And lastly, your viewpoint on dealing with bullies is too idealistic. In my case parents, teachers & local authorities refused to get personally involved for various reasons & excuses. It was left up to me to solve my own problem. Fortunately my father was willing to help me learn to properly defend myself by financing my studying of martial arts. If not for that I would have continued to be a victim of predatory violence. [Part 3 - End]
it's Hawaiian jujutsu
video is well done but the gun defence is abserd.... NOT IMPRESED SORRY.
i think you need to be a little more open minded a system doesnt make the person . jujutsu is great period .
@storyacoustic In the US might makes right, & it's very much the same if you look at any other 3rd world country. Those with wealth have power over those with inferior wealth, & those more capable of violence have power over those less capable. I'm not saying this is right, in fact I would very much prefer it otherwise. But until the US starts acting like the 1st world country it claims to be, putting reason & justice first, I'm not going to just accept an ideal. [Part 2]
no way this stuff would work on me
you're funny
shame you cant spell JIU JITSU