So, if I remember correctly from an interview that ZUN did with BeatMario in celebration of PCB's 20th anniversary, apparently ZUN lost the files for the original PCB version of this theme, so he had to remake this theme from scratch. Kinda impressive that he was able to emulate his old PCB style of composition somewhat while adding some new flair, but then again, this game seems to be ZUN's time to experiment with styles very different from his current one, including his old ones
I'm honestly somewhat glad that he lost them. I would've been really dissapointed if he just slapped charming domination as it was and called it a day. It's also funny to think ZUN went to youtube or something just to listen how the theme was.
Fun Fact: ZUN perhaps used the Midi version of the song for the "arrangment". For those who played PCB, theres a option where you can use a midi device instead of the typical WAV music. If you were to closely examin, the midi version's structure and pitch is the same as this version. So yeah, he use de Midi...
yesss haven't really played 17.5, but she and yuuma seem to know each other, yuuma recognized and greeted her, and ran mentioned she hated that mentality so she got out of there (google translate is difficult so it's something along those lines xD)
I would make a joke on how Toby Fox managed to get Ran back in, but honestly the lore that Ran brings in is super intriguing too. All the beast leaders recognise Ran, and say that she used to live in the Animal Realm. This gives us information on what Ran's past might of been, as for a while we didn't know much about her. Why did she choose to go out of the Animal Realm? Did Yukari go there to get another familiar? It gives us even more questions that will hopefully be answered. the theme is super nice too, spiritual domination is a fantastic song and i love the arrange used here
Its especially interesting taking into account the context that Ran is technically a shikigami program installed in a pre-existing kitsune. I wonder if this'll end up getting explored further at any point in the future.
@@OrionDagger ZUN also said in the recent PCB Touhou Exhibition, that: 1. Shikigami use beast youkai as their hardware 2. The number of tails a shikigami has correlates to how much RAM they have This gives us much more info, and I'm glad that Ran has been given so much lore lately as shikigami are super interesting, but not much was known about them in the franchise until now, and we still don't know everything.
@@bleakds yea its that part in imperisable night where eirin is suprised to see sakuya and sakuya seem to regonize her if my memory isnt dying apparently zun just got lazy to develop smth about it and the only thing he said about it is that we have to look at sakuyas eyes for some reason
@@nova_kaiser I think its relevant lore wise it isnt necro fantasy, Ran seems to want to recover her individuality in this game, necro-fantasy directly connects her to Yukari so Its smart ZUN picked the stage theme where she is a midboss.
pretty sure Ran was intended to be in the game before toby fox even asked. it would have been super hard to fit in ran with dialogue, music, art, mechanics, etc in such a short time span.
@@noodles.is.awayyy I don't agree, I think Sakuya (or youmu?) would have been in the game but her ability was too hard to program in this game in a short amount of time, my theorie is Ran was a request from Toby Fox (maybe even a little before his annoncement with the remixes), you can see the blue background in the characters selection for the humans categorie , maybe zun forgot to remove it for Ran.
I honestly didn't think it was possible for Ran to be her own playable character due to Yukari, but I'm glad she got in. Toby Fox would feel the same, but many people have already made that comment, so I'll say that since Mamizou is also in this game, we could recreate the premise of Youkai Kori Kassen, or we could pit her against Tsukasa to make it Fox VS Fox.
How long was ZUN sitting on the Ran lore bomb? When he first thought up the Animal Realm? Right after he committed to including Ran in the roster? Idk if I'd be able to make myself believe he had plans for Ran when she spawned in the classic era
I mean most recurring characters don't have character themes in this game; instead they have stage themes. This isn't her theme. This is her *stage* theme. Even the final boss--who arguably has a character theme--has her track used as a final stage theme. This is why I don't buy into the cutesy stage 1 theme belonging exclusively to Reimu.
This track is pretty obviously the Extra version (no "Who done it") because of the little piano chime at the beginning which isn't in the Phantasm version, but ZUN gave it the Phantasm name :P
And then there's Sanae, whose theme is completely different from the name it was given. They gave her the Stage 5 theme from MoF, but named it after her boss theme.
When I was finding out about Ran finally becoming playable in this game, I've misread Toby Fox as Alphadream for a funny reason. Yeah, I've used to love and enjoy playing the Mario & Luigi games on handheld as a child. Especially when attempting to defeat the bosses without taking damage like my father once has suggested.
When i first heard this theme during the leaks, i honestly thought it was Yukari who was going to be the playable character. Im glad it is Ran, because Yukari appearing means REAL SHIT HAPPENING.
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Based Toby Fox brought us playable Ran. Maybe I should finally play Undertale and Deltarune to show my appreciation lol. Jokes and memes aside, this remix of Charming Domination absolutely bangs and man I can't wait to play the game.
This version is actually faster than the original as the seihou synth at 0:14 (yes that synth is over 20 YEARS OLD) is actually one second faster than the original at 0:15, and I'm pretty sure that's because not only is the speed of the song faster, the signature piano run is also faster (and louder) thus making the song transition faster. This might be, as one commenter pointed out, because ZUN actually lost the original midi (and probably wav too) and had to remake it entirely (which doesn't bode well for any themes from before pofv) source: (2023 pcb interview with ZUN). ALSO WHERES THE FUCKING WIND ZUN WHY DO YOU REFUSE TO USE SOUNDS ANYMORE EXCEPT FOR MAYBE ENOKOS THEME BUT STILL BRING THE WIND BACK AND BRING BACK THE STRINGS WHERE ARE THE STRINGS DID YOU REPLACE THEM WITH CHOIR CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE CHOIR STOP AVOIDING STRINGS AND SOUNDS PLEASE
@@IkaraPopsicle got no idea, it does sound similar to ob square which has a very defined sound but i dont think its ob square, then again ZUN replaced the organ which was probably full stops with the clav that is probably attack clav which was replaced by the seihou synth. Then again the midi version ZUN made for the c-88pro has the same synth sound and also has choir instead of strings, also as someone else said this version seems to be in the key the midi version was in instead of the wav version, you can tell in the first zunpet part. Frankly I’m more interested in the instrument that plays the second melody at the very end of the theme, and also if the choir in the background replaced the strings or not and whether it is the pre UM choir (choir aahs/sm choir) or Olympus Choir Elements because it doesn’t sound as clear and clean as OCE.
My favorite thing about the 'who done it' version originally was the key it was in. Now this is just who done it but in the key of the original. Unfortunate!
Can somebody familiar with Touhou's power-scaling help me out here? Is it possible that Ran could be Tamamo/Su Daji or would Daji be stronger than/equal to Yukari, so therefore she can't be? I was theorizing about it given that Ran's appearance matches the description of Tamamo No Mae's fox form, a golden-furred white faced fox, and the fact that she's ex-friends with Yuuma who's a taotie.
While it was really cool how Ran and Yukari's themes were paired up in PCB, I think it was a better decision to give Ran Necro-Fantasy/Necrofantasia/Spiritual Domination and Yukari Evening Star
gotta disagree with you there, the sense of absolute power you get from Necrofantasia doesnt really fit in with Ran’s character, it definitely fits Yukari more imo, plus the similarities with it and Okina’s theme albeit unintentional really makes it feel like more of a theme for a sage also necrofantasia got 2 other remixes basically made purely for yukari
Most likely, she could scribble it on some random paper but decides to store it in a cat card for the style, just like how Marisa can fly without her broom but decides not to do so because it fits her "magic" theme
The bass is getting stronger i think? New ZUNPET sounds good but, i like in pcb more. A new instrument too? Piano are stronger here than in pcb? Electric Guitar huh. Aight nvm this shit is slap
I love to have my fave fox back but... I miss Necro-Fantasy. Even if it and Necrofantasia are similar, I can appreciate the differences between them and always like it better. That, and prefering Necro-Fantasy to Charming Domination by a mile... Makes me feel :/ about this
Am I alone in wishing they did Necro Fantasy, instead? I don't like the fact that they choose to use a stage theme for someone who hasn't had a significant role beyond an EX boss and the PH midboss of PCB. Heck, what's with the "Who Done It?" suffix? Who Done It in PCB was just the original Charming Domination, but with Necrofantasia's instruments, instead of the normal ones.
ZUN has already arranged Necro-Fantasy AND Necrofantasia, plus he used the melody for Yukari's theme in AoCF. I guess he wanted to do something different for this game. 😅
Plus I don't think using a stage theme means anything for the character. Youmu had her stage theme in PoFV, and several characters had their stage theme for this game. I personally like that the game doesn't focus exclusively on boss themes, since stage themes are good too.
@@nico1520 What I would have liked to see is for him to do the first melody, like normal, but after that, it becomes its own song. It can just be called "A Maiden's Illusionary Funeral", without the Necro Fantasy suffix, kinda like what they did with Mamizou.
So, if I remember correctly from an interview that ZUN did with BeatMario in celebration of PCB's 20th anniversary, apparently ZUN lost the files for the original PCB version of this theme, so he had to remake this theme from scratch. Kinda impressive that he was able to emulate his old PCB style of composition somewhat while adding some new flair, but then again, this game seems to be ZUN's time to experiment with styles very different from his current one, including his old ones
If he forgot we probably got another Magus theme scenario
I'm honestly somewhat glad that he lost them. I would've been really dissapointed if he just slapped charming domination as it was and called it a day.
It's also funny to think ZUN went to youtube or something just to listen how the theme was.
Fun Fact: ZUN perhaps used the Midi version of the song for the "arrangment". For those who played PCB, theres a option where you can use a midi device instead of the typical WAV music. If you were to closely examin, the midi version's structure and pitch is the same as this version. So yeah, he use de Midi...
@@9Tensai9Only downside is cus of that eosd pcb and in arent on steam
wait why did he ned the original PCB version of the theme when the midis are available in the game?
Apparently, she has 9 sticks of RAM according to ZUN
so almost every gensokyo's braincells went into her
@@prizmastarz742Lmfao
wait is each tail 1 stick of ram
@@renkofr Yeah that's basically it. ZUN described a shikigami's number of tails as indicating their 'processing power'.
I'd chance dying to Yukari to have her as my Gaming PC
It's great to see Ran getting more lore in this game
yesss
haven't really played 17.5, but she and yuuma seem to know each other, yuuma recognized and greeted her, and ran mentioned she hated that mentality so she got out of there (google translate is difficult so it's something along those lines xD)
@@ultimate.funkypunkyran doesnt show in 17.5 and its a different yuuma
@@LimaBr_ she said that in udoalg,
but didn't know about the different yuuma
they actually did it.
they actually put her in.
touhou redeemed
@@LimaBr_Different Yuuma?
i'm so glad she gets to be her own character again instead of just "yukari's special weapon" this time around
She makes an appearance in the latest CoLA chapter, she shows off her computer skills.
I don't care what kind of domination it is, I just want to know who done it!
It's been 20 years, how do we still not know "Who done it"?
@@Hijiri_MIRACHIONMe obviously
It was Mima all along
Yukari
I would make a joke on how Toby Fox managed to get Ran back in, but honestly the lore that Ran brings in is super intriguing too. All the beast leaders recognise Ran, and say that she used to live in the Animal Realm. This gives us information on what Ran's past might of been, as for a while we didn't know much about her. Why did she choose to go out of the Animal Realm? Did Yukari go there to get another familiar? It gives us even more questions that will hopefully be answered.
the theme is super nice too, spiritual domination is a fantastic song and i love the arrange used here
Its especially interesting taking into account the context that Ran is technically a shikigami program installed in a pre-existing kitsune. I wonder if this'll end up getting explored further at any point in the future.
@@OrionDagger ZUN also said in the recent PCB Touhou Exhibition, that:
1. Shikigami use beast youkai as their hardware
2. The number of tails a shikigami has correlates to how much RAM they have
This gives us much more info, and I'm glad that Ran has been given so much lore lately as shikigami are super interesting, but not much was known about them in the franchise until now, and we still don't know everything.
i hope this wont end like the eirin sakuya thing lol
@@hrkinezz4419ez What was the Eirin Sakuya thing? Was it the theories that Sakuya is a Lunarian?
@@bleakds yea its that part in imperisable night where eirin is suprised to see sakuya and sakuya seem to regonize her if my memory isnt dying
apparently zun just got lazy to develop smth about it and the only thing he said about it is that we have to look at sakuyas eyes for some reason
Imagine if toby fox asked for Mima to come back instead
That's a neat parallel universe. But I'm also happy with touhou making the foxxos playable.
if toby fox got ran in (tysm toby)
maybe…
nothing would happen, it was just a coincidence lol
i wish though
Touhou lostword: Fine I'll do it myself
shion. is that you?
fighting style:throwing chen
Yes ... Although tbf Yukari did the exact same thing with Ran back in Touhou 8
@@ethirium4389ah yes, both of chen's mothers throwing her like a weapon
woe cat be upon ye
I'm so glad Zun remixed this theme instead of necro fantasy
i kinda wish it was necro fantasy, i like it more than necrofantasia tbh
I would’ve liked necro fantasy but this remix is godlike
@@nova_kaiser I think its relevant lore wise it isnt necro fantasy, Ran seems to want to recover her individuality in this game, necro-fantasy directly connects her to Yukari so Its smart ZUN picked the stage theme where she is a midboss.
@@nova_kaiserNecro fantasy is one of my favourites but Zun already remixed it once
@@bamshablam5977 yeah im aware, i think he did a great job on this track.
As Ive said before:
Tobias Foxxe has had his wish granted.
Was not expecting to hear the GBA Pokémon Trumpets in this song, it pairs surprisingly well with the Zunpets.
Toby Fox has too much power, he actually got his wish to have Ran Yakumo return as a main character!
Can he ask for Shou next
@@bluepikmin6363Pls
pretty sure Ran was intended to be in the game before toby fox even asked. it would have been super hard to fit in ran with dialogue, music, art, mechanics, etc in such a short time span.
@@noodles.is.awayyy I don't agree, I think Sakuya (or youmu?) would have been in the game but her ability was too hard to program in this game in a short amount of time, my theorie is Ran was a request from Toby Fox (maybe even a little before his annoncement with the remixes), you can see the blue background in the characters selection for the humans categorie , maybe zun forgot to remove it for Ran.
@@kagummi ran fits the theme of the game really well. sakuya not as much. who knows.
I love Ran and I'm glad Zun made her a playable character :3
Thank you Toby Fox
the piano here goes crazy
Mamma fox is back
Greatest return of Ran.
I honestly didn't think it was possible for Ran to be her own playable character due to Yukari, but I'm glad she got in.
Toby Fox would feel the same, but many people have already made that comment, so I'll say that since Mamizou is also in this game, we could recreate the premise of Youkai Kori Kassen, or we could pit her against Tsukasa to make it
Fox VS Fox.
god that bassline goes so hard
How long was ZUN sitting on the Ran lore bomb? When he first thought up the Animal Realm? Right after he committed to including Ran in the roster?
Idk if I'd be able to make myself believe he had plans for Ran when she spawned in the classic era
After so many years, this became Ran's theme officially and not necro fantasy, now i can simp in peace
I mean theres spiritual dominion - Speed Fox,
I mean most recurring characters don't have character themes in this game; instead they have stage themes. This isn't her theme. This is her *stage* theme. Even the final boss--who arguably has a character theme--has her track used as a final stage theme. This is why I don't buy into the cutesy stage 1 theme belonging exclusively to Reimu.
Well, I shouldn't say most. But a good chunk.
This track is pretty obviously the Extra version (no "Who done it") because of the little piano chime at the beginning which isn't in the Phantasm version, but ZUN gave it the Phantasm name :P
And then there's Sanae, whose theme is completely different from the name it was given. They gave her the Stage 5 theme from MoF, but named it after her boss theme.
I think he forgot which was which
When I was finding out about Ran finally becoming playable in this game, I've misread Toby Fox as Alphadream for a funny reason.
Yeah, I've used to love and enjoy playing the Mario & Luigi games on handheld as a child. Especially when attempting to defeat the bosses without taking damage like my father once has suggested.
When i first heard this theme during the leaks, i honestly thought it was Yukari who was going to be the playable character.
Im glad it is Ran, because Yukari appearing means REAL SHIT HAPPENING.
Shoutouts to my man Toby Fox for immediately getting his wish granted
I've misread his name as "Alphadream" though.
I'm not usually a fan of Charming Domination or the the Who Done It version. But man do I love this remix of it.
I prefer this over the original because of the synth
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FUCK YEAH RAN COMEBACK 🙌🙌🙌🙏🙏🙏🙏I USED TO PRAY FOR TIMES LIKE THIS
Favorite theme got a new arrange let’s gooo
they actually did it.
they actually put her in.
touhou redeemed
1:12 i miss that lil right-ear panning of the original tho...
I missed Who Done It? so much. Welcome back, old friend :) Nice to see ZUN decided to have you dressed to the nines
PCB Ex was probably my favorite stage in that game so it's good to see its theme back.
I like it!!!
Thats Clever, her shots remind me of Remilias shot in Touhou 8 her kunais also stay still when you get into focus mode
let's fkin gooo
one of the best themes from pcb
Literally youyoumu phantasm stage
Toby Fox's Wish Becomes True. and it's Good.
Toby Fox wish has granted by ZUN , Great job Toby fox
Based Toby Fox brought us playable Ran. Maybe I should finally play Undertale and Deltarune to show my appreciation lol.
Jokes and memes aside, this remix of Charming Domination absolutely bangs and man I can't wait to play the game.
i know i should be blindly praising everything ZUN makes but dear lord what did he do to the ZUNpets
and why is the organ not where it was before
This version is actually faster than the original as the seihou synth at 0:14 (yes that synth is over 20 YEARS OLD) is actually one second faster than the original at 0:15, and I'm pretty sure that's because not only is the speed of the song faster, the signature piano run is also faster (and louder) thus making the song transition faster.
This might be, as one commenter pointed out, because ZUN actually lost the original midi (and probably wav too) and had to remake it entirely (which doesn't bode well for any themes from before pofv) source: (2023 pcb interview with ZUN).
ALSO WHERES THE FUCKING WIND ZUN WHY DO YOU REFUSE TO USE SOUNDS ANYMORE EXCEPT FOR MAYBE ENOKOS THEME BUT STILL BRING THE WIND BACK
AND BRING BACK THE STRINGS WHERE ARE THE STRINGS DID YOU REPLACE THEM WITH CHOIR CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE CHOIR STOP AVOIDING STRINGS AND SOUNDS PLEASE
The "seihou synth" youre talking about, is it a square wave?? Xd
@@IkaraPopsicle got no idea, it does sound similar to ob square which has a very defined sound but i dont think its ob square, then again ZUN replaced the organ which was probably full stops with the clav that is probably attack clav which was replaced by the seihou synth. Then again the midi version ZUN made for the c-88pro has the same synth sound and also has choir instead of strings, also as someone else said this version seems to be in the key the midi version was in instead of the wav version, you can tell in the first zunpet part.
Frankly I’m more interested in the instrument that plays the second melody at the very end of the theme, and also if the choir in the background replaced the strings or not and whether it is the pre UM choir (choir aahs/sm choir) or Olympus Choir Elements because it doesn’t sound as clear and clean as OCE.
The 3 dislikes are from Tsukasa and her alts
My favorite thing about the 'who done it' version originally was the key it was in. Now this is just who done it but in the key of the original. Unfortunate!
Yukari seems too lazy to come do a comeback. But finally its not NECRO-FANTASY!
It sucks that this didn't play anywhere during story mode, oh well
There's a thcrap patch for th19 that allows the correct character themes to play instead of the same three songs you always hear at the beginning
@@penisman5000 oh cool I'll have to check that out, thanks
@@yoshkabosh7979💀
Nine tails getting more love
did i just witness ZUN remixing his own soundtrack
this has been done a multitude of times before but yeah
Would
Can somebody familiar with Touhou's power-scaling help me out here? Is it possible that Ran could be Tamamo/Su Daji or would Daji be stronger than/equal to Yukari, so therefore she can't be? I was theorizing about it given that Ran's appearance matches the description of Tamamo No Mae's fox form, a golden-furred white faced fox, and the fact that she's ex-friends with Yuuma who's a taotie.
Where's the full cut-off? :(
This remix is so much better then the og one right guys?
While it was really cool how Ran and Yukari's themes were paired up in PCB, I think it was a better decision to give Ran Necro-Fantasy/Necrofantasia/Spiritual Domination and Yukari Evening Star
Necrofantasia is definitely one of Yukari's themes. It was used in AoCF.
gotta disagree with you there, the sense of absolute power you get from Necrofantasia doesnt really fit in with Ran’s character, it definitely fits Yukari more imo, plus the similarities with it and Okina’s theme albeit unintentional really makes it feel like more of a theme for a sage
also necrofantasia got 2 other remixes basically made purely for yukari
Never heard this theme in the story btw
So is that nekomata-shaped talisman supposed to be Ran's Spellcard: Shikigami "Chen" ?
Most likely, she could scribble it on some random paper but decides to store it in a cat card for the style, just like how Marisa can fly without her broom but decides not to do so because it fits her "magic" theme
wait isnt the song going way too fast?
The bass is getting stronger i think?
New ZUNPET sounds good but, i like in pcb more.
A new instrument too?
Piano are stronger here than in pcb?
Electric Guitar huh.
Aight nvm this shit is slap
I guess Ran's an ex-yakuza now?
I love to have my fave fox back but...
I miss Necro-Fantasy. Even if it and Necrofantasia are similar, I can appreciate the differences between them and always like it better.
That, and prefering Necro-Fantasy to Charming Domination by a mile... Makes me feel :/ about this
Why does Ran have Mike 😭
はえー…妖々跋扈を英訳するとこうなるのか
Am I alone in wishing they did Necro Fantasy, instead? I don't like the fact that they choose to use a stage theme for someone who hasn't had a significant role beyond an EX boss and the PH midboss of PCB. Heck, what's with the "Who Done It?" suffix? Who Done It in PCB was just the original Charming Domination, but with Necrofantasia's instruments, instead of the normal ones.
Necro-fantasy is way too related to Yukari, charming domination is way more fitting, also, this version is the EX theme, not the phantasm one
@@stillmelon There's a number of parts that have their own bits, between Ran and Yukari's themes, especially the beginning.
ZUN has already arranged Necro-Fantasy AND Necrofantasia, plus he used the melody for Yukari's theme in AoCF.
I guess he wanted to do something different for this game. 😅
Plus I don't think using a stage theme means anything for the character. Youmu had her stage theme in PoFV, and several characters had their stage theme for this game. I personally like that the game doesn't focus exclusively on boss themes, since stage themes are good too.
@@nico1520 What I would have liked to see is for him to do the first melody, like normal, but after that, it becomes its own song. It can just be called "A Maiden's Illusionary Funeral", without the Necro Fantasy suffix, kinda like what they did with Mamizou.
Based theme return