@@73North265rofl!!! I literally said that out loud before the clip ended I said to myself (yes aloud) “it depends on what edition you have” then I realized it wasn’t meant to be answerable lol
You could see that Steven was honestly excited for the question and you can see just a tiny bit of his soul die the moment he realized he was being trolled.
@@john.premose are you trying to pretend that people who speak different dialects of the same language dont pronounce even names differently especially literally fictitious ones. You surely can't be so outwardly stupid on the public forum that is the internet.
sambeawesome Taqiyya (Shia) or Muda'rat (Sunni): tactical deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam. • Kitman: deceit by omission. • Tawriya: deceit by ambiguity. • Taysir: deceit through facilitation (not having to observe all the tenets of Sharia). • Darura: deceit through necessity (to engage in something "Haram" or forbidden). • Muruna: the temporary suspension of Sharia in order that Muslim immigrants appear "moderate".
Haha so true. His inner geek was preparing for battle, just look at the tension in his face when Gosling was asking... very.... slowly.... his.... question
The moment when Ryan asks do you remember that and Stephen replies "yes I do remember that", Ryan's face is just "You don't even know what's coming your way" 😂😂
I think Gosling's mom is employing a very very clever reference here: She's using the same strategy that Bilbo used in The Hobbit to stump Gollum, a la, "What do I have in my pocket?"
The look on Colbert is hilarious, he was genuinely bracing for the question, and for a moment there you can tell he legit thought about the answer for it
I don't think that there's a person alive, layman or scholar, that can outdo Stephen's LOTR knowledge. Even the lore consultant that was hired for the films lost to him.
+WestOfEarth I think that was the point, right? It caught him off guard and it shouldn't have! He should have had an immediate response that it was a trick question. Which made this so brilliant. Go Mama Gosling! LOL. I love that Mama Gosling is a LOTR geek!
Watching Ryan and Russell together brought me flashbacks of the Graham Norton show where Greg Davies tells the story of when he wore his mum's knickers. 😂
"Did they really all have names?" It's Tolkien. Kid visualized every vein on every leaf on every tree in all of Middle Earth - of course the beacons are all named! Damn, I wish I had Tolkien's imagination and capacity for information...
Bobby! No, no, Chuck! Noooo.........Gúthwinë! Yeah, that's it. And don't ask how to pronouce it. Too many little thingies over them letters. Edit: I didn't realize Karl Urban played Eomer in the movies. Probably my favorite actor that gets a lot of good roles and no one knows who he is.
Question to Gosling's mom: Which edition of the story? Surely the paperback copy would have different word spacing per page to the hardback, and what if it is the partially illustrated version? TOO MANY PARAMETERS.
+Herbert Wells How ridiculous. Why does it matter how anyone consumes a book, as long as they are getting the story? Reading on my Kindle and listening to audiobooks allows me to go through 4-6 books a month, which is about twice as much as I could go through when reading paper books. And some people have vision problems which prevent them from being able to read paper books.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?" "African or European?" "What? I don't know that! Aaaggghh!" _Launched off bridge_ Courtesy of Monty Python's The Holy Grail
I love that you can see Stephen doing his nervous tick of rubbing his earlobe when he's thinking, right at the end there; he's still trying to see if there's some kind of accurate answer he can hit back with. XD
Reasonable questions here: "What was the iscription on the door?" "What was the password?" "What was the material that made the door visible?" "Why was it hard to find?" And then you ask this question..... Good job :)
I know Stephen Colbert won't see this but when Ryan finished the question with what page is it on all I could think of was Gollum hissing and cursing "It isn't fair, my precious, is it, to ask us what it's got in its nassty little pocketses?"
Page 398 of the common Harper Collins version. Fact; It is the only illustration in the Fellowship of the Ring. Though some versions contain the writings on Balin's tomb.
+Mario Krastanov that'd depend on the translation, for a Sindarin translation would of course have a different page count as compared to a Quenya variant.
Mario Krastanov - I highly doubt Colbert read the original in the original tongue. My father, a Tolkien purist and critic of the invented Elvish verbiage for the three LOTR films, did his own translation of all the Elvish dialogue, in addition to directly translating all the Anglo-Saxon of the Rohirrim into the Common Tongue of the Third Age. Case closed, challenge offered.
Such a good setup. 100% I thought he's gonna ask the password and Stephen prob did too lol Well played! And tbf that's prob the only way you could actually beat Stephen on a Tolkien quiz lol
tbf, you can show a guy a Lotr poster and he'll know wich year was printed. If someone knew (that wasn't an editor of the books or Tolkien himself) it was this guy.
Yeah but even if someone knows which page of a given copy the archway appears, you still need to know which edition they're referring to. It could be page 101 in the asker's copy, and 114 in the answerer's, and both those answers would be correct.
So preface your answer with 'the copy i have at home, which is this edition, it appears on this page' if you knew the answer you'd surely know the other information.
Well surely if the answer can be prefaced, so can the question. But then this isn't exactly a fair question to ask considering the build up. It's still not a lore-based question, or even a printing trivia question. If, say, there were a famous edition with unique illustrations, or a notorious print run that had a hilarious typo, that would at least be something notable for fans of LOTR to possibly know. But it was inferred by everyone watching that the question would be based on the in-universe lore of the world Tolkien created, not something from our world i.e. page numbers. That's what Stephen Colbert is famously a fan of, not publishing minutae. Considering he referenced Colbert's lore-based trivia-offs with James Franco, we were set up for Gosling to bust out a lore question... but then he goes for a cheapshot and asks about real world page numbers of an event that Colbert is -definitely- familiar with in-universe. Ugh.
I haven't even read the books and I know this...it was a trick question, but a good one. The original manuscript was unnumbered, so it wouldn't be on a specific page number
I once walked into a lesson and saw that my student was reading The Fellowship of the Ring, in the classic paperback edition. Judging by the thickness of the portion of the book he held in each hand, I immediately said "oh - so you're at Weathertop." He was astonished and showed me where he was - I was right. But could I tell you what page that was on? No.
I'm glad so many comments point out the editions, books sizes, and other variations in possibility due to printing. Great 'Got" though. Nailed him with that one. :D
One of the (very) few illustrations in LotR is Tolkien's drawing of the gates of Moria after Gandalf causes the moon letters to appear. "Say Mellon, and enter".
+Samantha Novello My response was "the event of the archway appearing or it actually appearing in the book as an image," because without checking I know neither :P
That's like asking someone what's in your pocket in a riddle contest!
"What has it got in its pocketses?" 😜 #middleearthreferences
THIEVES!!!
True. However, Stephen accepted the question, which means the failure to answer stands (according to the rules of Tolkien himself).
Rob van Liempt Ah, pockets are useful for storing objects, from Rings to strings to nothings.
Except the question was "Do you remember that?" "Yes." So, still the winner.
That second between Colbert legitimately trying to answer the question and Colbert realizing he's been had is just priceless.
He got had on a technicality...which is hilarious. ^o^
I would have ‘Monty Python’s laden sparrow’ strategy and asked “which edition are you talking about?’
@@73North265rofl!!! I literally said that out loud before the clip ended I said to myself (yes aloud) “it depends on what edition you have” then I realized it wasn’t meant to be answerable lol
I 100% would have asked that@@73North265
@@73North265😮
I think Ryan Gosling's mom is an expert troll.
that seems to be the case
+Petalflipper "Huh... They have a cave troll."
+Petalflipper Or an expert hobbit lol
+LegendaryXDartz '...we have a Hulk.' >_>
Kappa
You could see that Steven was honestly excited for the question and you can see just a tiny bit of his soul die the moment he realized he was being trolled.
He thought maybe the question would be "What was the word of opening" or "What material was used to make the door"
Colbert can't even pronounce Tolkien's name. And he says "Goe-lum" and "Eee-omer"
@@john.premose are you trying to pretend that people who speak different dialects of the same language dont pronounce even names differently especially literally fictitious ones. You surely can't be so outwardly stupid on the public forum that is the internet.
@@john.premoseOh noooo who cares
@@samc9133 everyone should care.
He was so ready for a real question, oh man xD His reaction XD
sambeawesome Taqiyya (Shia) or Muda'rat (Sunni): tactical deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam.
• Kitman: deceit by omission.
• Tawriya: deceit by ambiguity.
• Taysir: deceit through facilitation
(not having to observe all the tenets of Sharia).
• Darura: deceit through necessity
(to engage in something "Haram" or forbidden).
• Muruna: the temporary suspension of Sharia in order that Muslim immigrants appear "moderate".
i even liked russell's face more during the whole thing. he had that benevolent smile on, like thinking "oh you lovable dorks"
Haha so true. His inner geek was preparing for battle, just look at the tension in his face when Gosling was asking... very.... slowly.... his.... question
Yeah, a better question would have been "What is the first password that Gandalf uses to attempt to open the Doors of Durin?"
sambeawesome That is a real question, it’s just a cruel one!
We demand a face to face Tolkien-Off with Ryan Gosling's mom!
Yes!
+vinícius bastos TRIAL BY COMBAT!
His mom would need a tribute.
Tolkien Bowl!
I am in agreement
"Well it depends, what edition?" That's what I would have said.
That would've been the greatest comeback of all time!!! HE WOULDVE BEEN A HERO TO US NERD FOLK....I mean he already is but EVEN MORE SO
George Weasley this means more because of your name
Nicole Song thanks :)
James George I feel like he'd only win that argument if he was able to name one.
African or English?
I love how Stephen thinks he knows what's coming and has a kind of smug look on his face, then BAM he got that unfair question instead haha.
Agreed. Ryan’s delivery was great because of the question structure
I had a roommate, in college, that I think might be able to answer that. I was a huge Tolkien nerd.
@@willmoore8708 Stephen would probably adopt him lol. Middle Earth forever!
I mean i was expecting "on what word" and thought it was an easy question lol 😂
I was legit expecting the question to be "Who made the doors," and I'm pretty sure Stephen was too.
"What has it got in its pocketses"
Hahaha, would have been a good one! Touché!
IM DIEING LMAO
I actually read this out loud with gollum’s voice😂
Wait, I’m confused. Are you referring to Ryan Gosling’s hard-to-ignore bulge here? 🤔
The moment when Ryan asks do you remember that and Stephen replies "yes I do remember that", Ryan's face is just "You don't even know what's coming your way" 😂😂
'Bee good on the show', Ryan's mom is adorable
Ryan Gosling has such comedic timing.
I think Gosling's mom is employing a very very clever reference here: She's using the same strategy that Bilbo used in The Hobbit to stump Gollum, a la, "What do I have in my pocket?"
And I think that's why Stephen accepted defeat.
Stephen! Invite Mrs. Gosling to the show and have a Tolkien off. PLEASE!!!
that would kill. :)
Clearly the question refers to the original hand-written manuscript. The conundrum subsists in the fact that the original folio was unnumbered.
You suck.
I love you
Couldn’t you argue it still has page numbers and you just have to count to find out?
You have discovered the only solid answer bc otherwise it'd be a matter of which edition in what year & who published it. 👍😷
You deserve more likes.
Oh man, he was so ready for a question about the inscription on the arch... bless him.
Clever girl.
*ryan's mom mauls Stephen*
+mariokarter13 Jurrasic Park!
Go away May-rioKarter13 :P
can you explain it?
Impossible to answer if you don't know which edition you're referring to.
The look on Colbert is hilarious, he was genuinely bracing for the question, and for a moment there you can tell he legit thought about the answer for it
I think colbert should do a segment where the viewers can send video questions regarding the lord of the rings to test colberts knowledge.
yes! make this happen Mr Colbert!
+Sunil Pai Someone else would have to do this, obviously, so he couldn't prep.
or better, do a live stream so he can answer them on the spot. :D
He should just have a small TH-cam channel where he talks Tolkien lore. That would be beautiful.
I don't think that there's a person alive, layman or scholar, that can outdo Stephen's LOTR knowledge. Even the lore consultant that was hired for the films lost to him.
You just know that woman is cackling away in front of her TV at his response. Bless her, that was amazing 😂
She was doing a Victory Dance!!
unfair. thaat is like the “what is in my pocket“ of lore questions
Ha! I get it! Comedy!
You mean "what has it gots in its pocketses?!"
Nasty, tricksy motherses!
To be fair, if she asked Stephen "what's in my pocket?" that would also have been expert trolling.
That's not fair. That's not fair! It's against the rules! Ask us another one!
I love how Stephen is visibly nervous and anxious whilst waiting for Ryan to ask the question
The high five with Russell made that even better 😂😂😂
Ryan got his humor from his mother 😂😂😂
Page 1, in my super tiny font edition.
Page 1, on a scroll.
Yeah! There is no definitive answer since there are so many printings and editions of the book
+Chris Ramirez you are exactly right except for print 1 edition 1...or what his notes? Damn stoopid question...( mumbles incoherently into distance )
carcillian Yeah, they had to be referring to the first edition.
yay! Ontarians! that was so smooth, mother gosling
she goes by mother goose
really? I never heard that before.LOL
:)
Stephen should have asked for a clarification "Which edition?"
+WestOfEarth I think that was the point, right? It caught him off guard and it shouldn't have! He should have had an immediate response that it was a trick question. Which made this so brilliant. Go Mama Gosling! LOL. I love that Mama Gosling is a LOTR geek!
+anrina just thought she should be called mother goose coz she had a gosling. 😂 I'll see myself out I'm so sorry that was bad. 😂😂😂
+Totoro ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ-chan that's brilliant! :D
It would have been funny had he asked back, "What edition?"
+Joshua Pelfrey “Rocketboy1313” any true fan would only be reading from the original publications first edition.
+Betty "No true Scotsman"
How smooth was Russel’s transition from a failed fist bump to a thumbs up lol! Incredible speed
making movies, making songs and fightin around the world
Oi, Tugga!!
Er mah gerd it's Russell Crowe... whatcha lookin' at, ya vagina?
To Chuck Norris: Just another Tuesday.
I laughed so hard at this
this put a smile on my face.
This is the kind of question like: "What do I have in my pocket?"
Ryan Gosling ladies and gentlemen - mostly ladies.
+PuppetierMaster And statistically 5-10% or so of the male population (more if they admit it). ;-)
I would totally stalk him if I were a woman or gay =)
I'm a straight guy and I think he's a fucking handsome guy.
+TheCoolDoc I'm a gay guy and I think he's a fucking handsome guy.
So... as a straight guy... i say this about no other man. But this guy is not only handsome, he is hot!
Watching Ryan and Russell together brought me flashbacks of the Graham Norton show where Greg Davies tells the story of when he wore his mum's knickers. 😂
398 on the 50th anniversary edition
really?
+GetLiftedd We get it, you're a virgin. Don't have tell everyone geez.
+Dred nok He might have a copy of said book and he looked it up. No need to insult people because they look things up in a book.
+Thoran666 It's a joke.
Thoran666 Actually I wasn't talking about the original post, I was talking to GetLiftedd that's why I tagged him in my comment.
Name the beacons of Gondor in order going from West to East.
lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Warning_beacons_of_Gondor
"Did they really all have names?" It's Tolkien. Kid visualized every vein on every leaf on every tree in all of Middle Earth - of course the beacons are all named! Damn, I wish I had Tolkien's imagination and capacity for information...
Oh lordie. No, I think that would have been too much even for Tolkien... ;)
What is the name of Eomer's sword?
Bobby! No, no, Chuck! Noooo.........Gúthwinë! Yeah, that's it. And don't ask how to pronouce it. Too many little thingies over them letters.
Edit: I didn't realize Karl Urban played Eomer in the movies. Probably my favorite actor that gets a lot of good roles and no one knows who he is.
If he'd come back with, "which edition?", and given the pages for each, that would have been absolutely mind blowing.
Me: he's gonna ask what word opened the doors, it's mel-
Ryan: what page
Me: Well shoot
I was pretty sure the question wasn't going to be about the word. That would be too easy. I'm not sure what I actually expected though.
What was the actual word? I can’t remember, I k ow it’s friend in elvish but can’t remember the actual word.
@@jonahr.1236 Mellon
Ballad
I kind of hoped the question would have been something like "what facing"
Question to Gosling's mom: Which edition of the story? Surely the paperback copy would have different word spacing per page to the hardback, and what if it is the partially illustrated version?
TOO MANY PARAMETERS.
That's the reason Colbert can't answer it
+Kategari Yami (Ran Xie) pfft irrelevant. any true fan would only be reading from the original publications first edition.
+small bark Its a fucking sin to read LOTR off of any device.
+The Honey Badger It's a sin to read any book from an electronic device.
+Herbert Wells How ridiculous. Why does it matter how anyone consumes a book, as long as they are getting the story? Reading on my Kindle and listening to audiobooks allows me to go through 4-6 books a month, which is about twice as much as I could go through when reading paper books. And some people have vision problems which prevent them from being able to read paper books.
Cut to Golem: "That isn't fair! Ask us another one!"
+HJKaras Lol Gollum dude. It's not a Jewish fantasy novel
+Christian Schneider Golem or Gollum, I wouldn't mess with either one!
Haha agreed
Gosling is like a slightly more engaging Harrison Ford … same comedic timing. They both have such patience with a joke to really let it land.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?"
"African or European?"
"What? I don't know that! Aaaggghh!"
_Launched off bridge_
Courtesy of Monty Python's The Holy Grail
I love the callback
I come from that video
@@bptdns22 O.o Dare I ask for clarification? Lol
@@merryc.5466 It will suffice.
@@bptdns22 You're creepy. Pls don't comment on my posts again. Tyvm
Now we understand why Ryan is so funny
I love how Crowe pretended his handshake didn't just totally fail LOL
and from this moment on, stephen memorizes every page of the books. LMAO
🐝 bee good.
Well done, Ryan's mom, well done.
I love that you can see Stephen doing his nervous tick of rubbing his earlobe when he's thinking, right at the end there; he's still trying to see if there's some kind of accurate answer he can hit back with. XD
I was expecting the "speak friend and enter" question and thinking, wait that's too easy.
Lol Russel Crowe saved that awkward box with a thumbs up, smart man.
It's as fair as Bilbo asking Gollum to guess what was in his pockets. ;)
Pocketses.
His mother is a gem.
Reasonable questions here:
"What was the iscription on the door?"
"What was the password?"
"What was the material that made the door visible?"
"Why was it hard to find?"
And then you ask this question..... Good job :)
When Stephen goes deep into lotr lore it's a total treat
Touché 👆
I know Stephen Colbert won't see this but when Ryan finished the question with what page is it on all I could think of was Gollum hissing and cursing "It isn't fair, my precious, is it, to ask us what it's got in its nassty little pocketses?"
Page 398 of the common Harper Collins version. Fact; It is the only illustration in the Fellowship of the Ring. Though some versions contain the writings on Balin's tomb.
Rov Hållet well, technically, there's also the inscription of the ring in elven script.
Yes, but I would not consider that to be an illustration, more a showcase of a font.
Rov Hållet Fair enough.
Finally! Someone knew, instead of being a smartass, going, "durr, which edition? Hur hur." :)
I expected the answer to be "Speak friend and enter" or "Mellon" or Doors of Durin
Or what kind of trees were on either side. That's usually a tricky question
Speak friend and enter.
+John H mellon
+John H I was waiting for him to ask for this phrase!! And then he trolled me!! :))
fAppIicationof SeIf hahahahaha
I so expected that he was going to ask what the door's inscription was, and I was ready to be like "pfft, that's easy: *recites* "
I'm sure Stephen read the book in Elven, and everyone knows the pages there are different
+Mario Krastanov that'd depend on the translation, for a Sindarin translation would of course have a different page count as compared to a Quenya variant.
+maglorian Noldarian tongue best tongue!
Mario Krastanov I am still waiting for a Khuzul translation.
Mario Krastanov - I highly doubt Colbert read the original in the original tongue. My father, a Tolkien purist and critic of the invented Elvish verbiage for the three LOTR films, did his own translation of all the Elvish dialogue, in addition to directly translating all the Anglo-Saxon of the Rohirrim into the Common Tongue of the Third Age. Case closed, challenge offered.
Elvish is the language as known to non-native speakers, altho there are 3 dialects.
7 years has passed and this is still one of my favorite moments plus the nikki interview XD
Stephen: you can’t defeat me
Ryan Gosling’s mum: you underestimate my power!
Russel performed the greatest save I’ve seen on failing to fist bump someone
WHICH EDITION, MR. GOSLING!?
Lol! Good one Ryan!!! ( and of course Ryan's mom!) 😂
The most nerdy thing about this, and Colbert, isn't the question or his inability to answer. It's how seriously Steven CLEARLY takes it.
Such a good setup. 100% I thought he's gonna ask the password and Stephen prob did too lol Well played! And tbf that's prob the only way you could actually beat Stephen on a Tolkien quiz lol
Shes a legend already😂❤ 1:02
I guess it'd depend on the edition and print, because it varies quite a bit!
As if he wasn't enough, he even had to have the world's coolest mom.
I can imagine Ryan’s moms watching and so happy
That was brilliant of her. He was expecting the question to be "What did Gandalf say to open the door?"
He wanted it to be “speak friend, and enter” so badly
Plot Twist: He knew the answer but being the gentlemen colbert he is, let Ryan's mom have her victory.
You have clearly never met a nerd, we do not concede ground! 😂😂
I don't think he did
in my copy pg 296....so anywhere between pg's 290-310 would cover every edition printed i expect.
How unfair is that :'D :'D
HAHA! Mind blown with "what page?" I was getting ready for "friend, elvish~ mellon" HAHA!
Wow Colbert really takes this lord of the rings thing seriously. You could see he was nervous before the question!
You bet your butt Stephen went home and memorized that page number.
That's not a lotr "lore" question.. it depends on which copy/edition/publication of the book you have
tbf, you can show a guy a Lotr poster and he'll know wich year was printed. If someone knew (that wasn't an editor of the books or Tolkien himself) it was this guy.
Yeah but even if someone knows which page of a given copy the archway appears, you still need to know which edition they're referring to. It could be page 101 in the asker's copy, and 114 in the answerer's, and both those answers would be correct.
So preface your answer with 'the copy i have at home, which is this edition, it appears on this page' if you knew the answer you'd surely know the other information.
Well surely if the answer can be prefaced, so can the question. But then this isn't exactly a fair question to ask considering the build up.
It's still not a lore-based question, or even a printing trivia question. If, say, there were a famous edition with unique illustrations, or a notorious print run that had a hilarious typo, that would at least be something notable for fans of LOTR to possibly know. But it was inferred by everyone watching that the question would be based on the in-universe lore of the world Tolkien created, not something from our world i.e. page numbers. That's what Stephen Colbert is famously a fan of, not publishing minutae. Considering he referenced Colbert's lore-based trivia-offs with James Franco, we were set up for Gosling to bust out a lore question... but then he goes for a cheapshot and asks about real world page numbers of an event that Colbert is -definitely- familiar with in-universe. Ugh.
I haven't even read the books and I know this...it was a trick question, but a good one. The original manuscript was unnumbered, so it wouldn't be on a specific page number
Ryan Gosling looks like a piece of art.
Mom knows best!
Deeson Jame - unless they forget important details in their elder years, in which case, children remember best!
His spin around in his chair reminded me of when Gollum was doing riddles with Bilbo.
I once walked into a lesson and saw that my student was reading The Fellowship of the Ring, in the classic paperback edition. Judging by the thickness of the portion of the book he held in each hand, I immediately said "oh - so you're at Weathertop." He was astonished and showed me where he was - I was right.
But could I tell you what page that was on? No.
It depends on the size of the print, the proportion of the pages and the year of the release.
And Colbert replies, "Of which edition?"
0:58 This is so adorable. Mommy is always mommy, no matter who you are. 🙂
I've always said I want to grow up to be Gandalf, but now I think I want to grow up to be Gosling's mother 😄😄😄
That bro-five between Ryan Gosling and Russel Crowe at the end could shatter mountains
I was excited for a real lore-based question...
how do the attas of fangorn forrest deficate?
I really wish they didnt cut these videos so early. I want to see Stephen's response.
+Maniacbob You can go to cbs.com to see the full show
That’s where the question “What number am I thinking?” comes from in clover questionnaire 😂😂😂
that was brutal
I'm glad so many comments point out the editions, books sizes, and other variations in possibility due to printing. Great 'Got" though. Nailed him with that one. :D
Lol 😅 well played Ryan and his mum they must have cooked it up together 😂 to be fair I can't even remember off the top of my head 😂
One of the (very) few illustrations in LotR is Tolkien's drawing of the gates of Moria after Gandalf causes the moon letters to appear. "Say Mellon, and enter".
That was funny XD
Surprised they never brought up Russell was initially up for Aragorn
In my book, (all 3 in one) it appears on page 304, with a lovely drawing on 305
+Samantha Novello My response was "the event of the archway appearing or it actually appearing in the book as an image," because without checking I know neither :P
Oh man Ryan Gosling and Russel Crowe? Was this promotional for the Nice Guys? Absolutely fantastic movie love it to bits one of my favorites