I made a scart for my miggy but not the traditional one. To avoid blank pauses to modern tvs you must built a scart with resistors or capacitors depending your tv. My scart gives you clear results and even I can switch from 4:3 to 16:9. My cheap LG tv upscales the image to 1080 and displays amiga interlace resolutions without flickering. Very nice video guys, keep up!
The Guru Meditation I only have a video on my channel playing slam tilt with some friends, I have to take more photos though from the tv but next month when I'll return home. Here are some pics :-) partsfromthepast.blogspot.gr/ imageshack.com/i/3ua1200fastj If you want I can give the schematics for the scart.
+Fabio Solazzo You are welcome! Thanks for watching. It does work great and the price is right. I have one connected to my A1200 and LCD monitor in my office and use it all the time. -- Bill
Interestingly, the "flicker" was initially hailed as a negative of the Amiga line, but later turned out to be a selling point, as it allowed the Amiga to output directly to NTSC and PAL video recorders, something that no PC or Mac could do at the time without expensive hardware. This was also almost certainly the reason Newtek chose the Amiga for their Video Toaster (which also was a huge selling point for Commodore). It's nice to know that there are not only people still devoting time and energy to the Amiga, but actually still creating software and hardware for it. That is what you call devotion! My A1200 (w/33mhz '030 card and a whopping 4 megabytes of RAM!) sits in my closet: I should pull it out and play some 'Stardust'.... JW3HH
+JustWasted3HoursHere Thanks so much for watching JW3HH! We really appreciate it. Yeah, one of the reasons why NewTek chose the Amiga was certainly because it used standard TV timing signals. The system clock is 7.16 MHz which is 2x the NTSC color carrier frequency of 3.579 MHz which made it easy to sync the video signal, however I don't believe NewTek was very fond of Commodore as a company. Check out the demo of the video toaster we had at our local Amiga user group back in 1990. I will never forget that night. Enjoy and thanks again for the comment! -- Bill th-cam.com/video/PztnHY4IMLc/w-d-xo.html
+The Guru Meditation Yeah, as a company, Commodore was its own worst enemy. They should have put someone who actually _believed_ in the product in charge. Irving Gould and those other guys probably couldn't format a floppy if you asked them. They couldn't care less. Look what happened to Apple once Steve Jobs came back: His vision propelled Apple into the stratosphere. Those other corporate flunkies would have killed Apple long before. Anyway, I still have my DCTV (with its excellent DCTV Paint) in the closet (Couldn't afford a Toaster...or an Amiga 2000!) and it still works! Sort of a "poor man's Toaster" minus the 3D software. Thanks for the video, guys. JW3HH
I have a LCD TV with Scart input. Though my screen flickers between a crisp screen and a completely grey screen after a minute or so the screen goes completely grey. There is no RGB logo (arrow) next to the scart input on the TV. This SCART to HDMI should fix this issue. The alternative is gertting a new/older LCD TV.
I've heard that some of these video signal converter boxes can add a little bit of lag. Do you perceive any introduced lag when typing or playing games while using this unit?
Hi Spurious! Thanks for watching. I have also heard of people complaining about boxes like this, but I have to say this particular one combined with my Asus monitor works well for me. There is a small bit of "funky stuff" happening. For, example when I move the mouse the edges look a tad bit blurry, but I have not experienced any serious lag or poor frame rate like some people claim. It serves its purpose fine for me. I am not doing hardcore gaming, I do more productivity things, but I have played Arkanoid, Another World, Fairy Tale Adventure, Marble Madness, and a few others and it was fine. There could be some variation in build quality, and perhaps I got a "good one" but for under $50 USD it serves its purpose well for me, but that is just my opinion. Some people complain that they can't even use Workbench, but that certainly is not the case for me. Is there a particular game you want to play? Let me know and I will be happy to test it for you. Thanks! -- Bill
The scaler is a good option for 50 bucks, but the Indivision card is still better because you can add filters like scanlines etc. I use the XRGB Framemeister Mini for the A1200, and the picture looks very good and authentic without any noticeable input lag. Looking forward to more videos from you guys :)
+Kenny O Thanks for the kind words Kenny! Yeah, can't wait to install that Indivision board. It looks so awesome. Didn't realize it will simulate scan lines too!
I buy it here i Germany on Amazon last Week. 32,90€ (38,70 US-Dollar). There are different Companys who sell it but i think its always the same Hardware.
That little box is a full frame scaler, as opposed to scan-line doubler. There are advantages to that (no interlace), but also one big negative - huge display latency, like 3 or 4 frames. Not good for reflex reaction games.
It is funny. I have noticed the output of the box is a little "strange" For example when you move the mouse in Workbench there is some wierdness around the edges. Also, my capture card doesn't recognize the output natively. I have to run it through a Decimator. However, i have not experienced a latency of 3-4 frames. That is a massive delay and would render the box useless to me. I have played games on it with no problem. It certainly is not as good as Amiga RGB directly to a CRT, but I find the games to be totally playable. Or maybe I am just used to Amiga games being difficult, LOL. I have streamed from this box to Twitch and TH-cam. You can see an example here: th-cam.com/video/g6jq6qatupA/w-d-xo.html Is it possible I got a "good one"? Thanks for watching. -- Bill
***** Thanks +Obraxis We put the links to the cable and SCART to HDMI box in the description, but it is difficult to see unless you scroll down. Here is the link: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D86UYBS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
+thedevilbunny Yeah, everything seems to be in sync with no delay, however we haven't done a detailed test with many games yet. We will test it out and let you know. There is some black magic happening in that box for sure. The video is quality is generally excellent, but not perfect. For example, when you move the mouse in WB the pointer gets a bit "weird" if you look closely. Almost a bit of smearing. It looks like it goes a little soft. No big deal in my opinion, but it does happen. I will test a few games this week.
+thedevilbunny I have this SCART-HDMI box and YES there is a delay. Maybe it is not so noticeable in games but in Workbench you can feel little "dizzy" while moving the mouse cursor. I think the delay must be something between 150-300ms.
I know this is a very old question. But for those who might be looking these days. This converter is sold by many, and there is a lot of them on eBay for like 20-30$. Just look for those with the same design as the one on Amazon. And just read the description. It has to say RGB somewhere, if you buy a Scart to hdmi converter without RGB you will just get a completely distorted and unrecognizable image.
SCART signals are analogue while HDMI signals are digital, so the little box shown in the video is doing such conversion leaving the 15 khz requirement behind I suppose. This requires the right converter anyway, see www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/SCART-TO-HDMI-CONVERTERS-TO-AVOID. A conversion could add some lags and picture won't be as sharp as using a proper, good quality (not scandex) scandoubler but it's way cheaper and it works.
My flat screen has a scart connector, will this do? Or do you think this HDMI box is definitely the best idea? Also how did you record the screen so nice? Thanks guys
+Damian Brown If your flat screen has a SCART connector you don't need the box - only the cable. However it would be interesting to compare the quality of the SCART input to upscaled HDMI. We don't have any monitors with SCART so we can't try it as SCART is very rare here in the US. We recorded the screen using an Atomos Ninja Blade HDMI recorder www.atomos.com/ninja-blade/ but you can also use something cheaper like the Elgato: www.amazon.com/Elgato-Capture-PlayStation-gameplay-1080p60/dp/B00MIQ40JQ/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1444054748&sr=8-8&keywords=hdmi+record
+Damian Brown Oh one thing. we used the Atomos to record the HDMI output, but for the analog RF and Composite outputs we used a BlackMagic Intensity Shuttle. It is supposed to be able to record HDMI also, but it wouldn't recognize the output of the SCART to HDMI box. The Atomos Ninja Blade and Elgato that we recommended to you are HDMI ONLY recorders.
I could reply to this :). I'm from Italy, so my 22" lg lcd (model m2262dp) have a scart connector. I was almost satisfied with it, but I tried this kind of adapter and the result is that in Workbench and in-game the screen looks better, the image is clean, the colours vivid. I compared this to another Amiga with Indivision to the same Lcd and the same setup and I have seen no difference. Just in case someone else would like to buy this adapter, thats mine: www.amazon.it/gp/aw/d/B00K55RMO2/ref=ya_aw_oh_pii?ie=UTF8&psc=1#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1444974944679
+Evert van Ingen Well, being that we used to use CRT monitors with the Amiga back then, many people like to emulate scan lines when working with a modern emulator or when using an LCD in order to bring back the feel of a CRT. Personally I don't do that. I keep the image clean when using an emulator, and when using my actual Amiga I try to use CRTs as much as possible because that brings the experience back for me. Once I am on an LCD I feel like 1/2 the experience is missing even when using original hardware. One thing that the Amiga did have is flicker when you ran it in interlaced mode. That made it difficult to work with for extended periods of time especially when working with text. That is why they came out with "Flicker Fixers" Thanks for watching and the comment! -- Bill
+The Guru Meditation Sony PVM Monitors are great for perfect scan lines. Thank you for your comment as well :) What does the Amiga output? 240p or 480i?
Right on Evert! The Aimga is 480i from the composite, but can display higher resolutions from the RGB port and even higher resolutions with something like the Indivision AGA board. -- Bill
Thanks Justin, for the tips. I like to do more than just gaming and I am. CF card already installed not missing my HD noise ;) Collection expanded with 2 A500
nice and sound, like in these old days. I look forward for another GM-video presenting "VBS" , video backup system. :) I used it with ntsc composite out and 4 head VHS recorder :), results were satisfactory, my floppies were backed up and restored!
+The Guru Meditation yes, there was an option to compress/increase capacity, but I wanted to be sure I can restore my backups w/o errors. I loved when I used to press PLAY and after a minute my vhs-floppy was there recorded, from VHS tape :) like C64 tape, but how modern solution - video backup, so many Megabytes xP www.leszczamiga.cba.pl/elektronika/vbs.gif - schematic diagram of such a device if you can't reach it, you could build it :]] cheers Guys...
Sounds like even in the Non PAL regions, its an advantage to have a PAL Amiga with the SCART to HDMI... yes? Wouldn't that be the best- use the higher resolution of the PAL Amiga?
+Douglas Crawford Yeah feeding it the higher resolution makes sense Doug. That SCART converter box even has a PAL/NTSC switch. You know, the A1200 can switch between PAL and NTSC mode. I am guessing it outputs the higher resolution to the RGB port even though it is an NTSC Amiga - I never tried running the 1200 in PAL. Hummmmm. That will be a fun new experiment. Thanks Doug! Although for best image quality a board like the Indivision that we show at the end of the video is still the best option. -- Bill
+The Guru Meditation So running the PAL version of the games might be important too- where I supose the graphics are rendered in the higher resolution.
+Douglas Crawford For sure Doug. You would certainly want the PAL versions of the game. I remember having some PAL games on my 500 and not being able to see the bottom if the image making it very difficult to play!
It is a bit of a mystery exactly how the magic black box works, but yes. When I change the resolution on the Amiga the box will convert it to 60hz over the HDMI. The signal is a bit "funky" though. my monitor recognizes it with no issue, but when I want to record or stream it I must run the signal through my Decimator. One note. If you upscale to 1080 with the box the image will be stretched to 16:9. You will have to correct this through your capture software or the settings on you monitor (if it is capable of that) Or you can live with a stretched image then you don't have to worry or you can send a lower resolution tyo the monitor that won't be stretched. -- Bill
No problem. The box isn't perfect, but for for less than $50 it has done right by me especially since I am constantly switching between my 500, 1200, and 4000 during streams and recordings. It works with any Amiga
Thanks for this excellent video! I just ordered a Scart to HDMI converter just as showed in your video, from gearbest. I am looking forward to try it out on my Amiga 1200 and my 28" LCD Toshiba TV
Nice video guys. I also use an RGB Scart to Scart TV on my much older Samsung LCD 32", works great though colour reproduction is not 100% but close enough but that's more down to the TV itself showing it's age. Same applies to the C64 which i've used to connect the same TV via it's Scart. One thing i must try and you guys reminded me, Hooking up one of my Amigas via same method to a bigger & newer LG Plasma TV i recently got.... it failed miserably with the C64, Picture badly distorted /rolling which i guess i put down to the weird 600Hz rating of said TV. Cheers guys.
***** Thanks for the comment ***** ! Wow, using this technique to connect a C64 to our modern TV is a great idea! We have to try that. Yes, Shadow of the Beast and other Amiga games never looked so good up on a big screen! Same goes for the demos. So cool!
Is there any latency issues with the box or similar in gaming on the Amiga computers? The animation looks good, but really want to know about games with scart to hdmi, any issues with that? Also the one scart to hdmi converter you list is no longer available. I know all are not created equal, Anyone know of a good quality converter currently available?
Great question. Personally I and many of my friends game with it without any problem. Technically there is a slight bit of latency, but I can't tell. A pro gamer may be able to. There is a bit of fringing on the mouse pointer. Here is a link to the newer model of the scaler www.amazon.com/VCANDO-Converter-Adapter-Switch-Scaler/dp/B01N06Q9WH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=27K05BQ2SA4XA&keywords=scart+to+hdmi&qid=1572902160&sprefix=scart%2Caps%2C139&sr=8-3
This little box shows how RGB is superior to Composite, but clearly doesn't do it justice. It is really the lowest of ends regarding upscalers. Something that didn't show in your video is the lag it produces (rendering many games with tight action unplayable), the terrible deinterlacing artefacts it produces when scrolling, the overall pixel smearing, and the inaccurate colour reproduction. But even with all these faults, it's still better than Composite. If you want to see RGB in all its glory, you should check out better upscalers like the XRGB Framemeister. I'm not even sure these cheap boxes are even as good as a European LCD with RGB Scart.
+khaz Sorry i just saw your comment now. Yeah, this box is great for productivity software and I have played Lemmings and a few other games with it, but nothing very intense so I don't know how bad it will be with the tearing that it introduces. I bet a direct SCART connection would be better. I never heard of the XRGB Framemeister, but will check it out. I also have to install my Indivision AGA board which should look great. Thanks for the comment and watching. Really appreciate it! -- Bill
@@TheGuruMeditation He doesn't mention tearing. If you think this is the issue for USING the Amiga, maybe stick to hooking it up once and record a video of you sharing the thoughts you have. Others will find the faults.
@@Vorper I like the OSCC but it cane be finakey and because it is literally just doubling the number of lines some monitors can't handle the odd resolutions it puts out. But when it is working it produces an incredible image.
@@ScoopexUs Overall I still like and use this scaler. I use it every week on my Twitch streams. The tearing isn't much of an issure for me. The OSSC produces better results, but unfortunately my monitor and capture card can't deal with the odd resolutions it puts out
Nice Video! Thank you! I just buy the Cable and the Box but its not possible for me to get the picture to the full 16:9 screen? The Quality looks more better then befor but how I say. I can not get the Picture to the whole 16:9 Screen. There is always a black stripe left/right and on the bottom and also on the top. What have I exactly to to? THX!
Thanks! Glad you liked the video. You have to press the 720p/1080p button on the front of the converter box. It will cycle through all the resolutions it is capable of. In 720p and 1080p it will produce a 16:9 image that fills the screen of a 16:9 monitor. You must also make sure that your monitor or TV is set to 16:9 mode - not 4:3 or another aspect ratio. Hope that helps! -- Bill
The Guru Meditation: Thx for your fast answer. I also was thinking I have to push these button but it doesnt work. The screen is not completley in 16:9. The TV is in 16:9 Mode. I have no idea what I did wrong?
That is strange. I have used it on several monitors/tv's and never had that problem. Perhaps it has to do with NTSC vs. PAL? I have only used it with an NTSC Amiga. It should't make a difference though because at the end of the day that box puts out a 1920x1080 signal which is 16:9 -- Bill
If you want to have a very special experience, connect an A2024 greyscale monitor two the RGB port and a 1084 to the composite out connector. It's an interesting to work on the 1084 then ;-)
The A2024 has directly an 23pin connector. The Atari ST was known for its SM124 black & white monitor with a resolution of 640x400 @ 72 Hz. However, it was a very small monitor. The original A2024 is a 15" monitor with framebuffer and the Amber flickerixer chip from the A3000. There should also exist a 17" version. The monitor has four greyscales plus black and white, so it is perfect for DTP and CAD. The resolution is 1024 x 800 in NTSC and 1024 x 1024 in PAL. It can't display the HAM mode. With just four greyscales colors really look odd, the color flickering in the Turrican II title is more a color-flickering. And the very colorful game itself looks absolutely weird. The A2024 mode is incredible. It tranfers with a frequency of 10 or 15 Hz about 6 PAL or NTSC images into the monitor, they will be buffered and can display the full image. Vertically it's one image to 640 pixels, then 384 pixels in another frame. This method is repeated four times, so you have in PAL (640+384) x (256x4) pixels resolution. On the 1084, you'll see a wild flickering yellow screen. Moving the mouse down on the A2024 looks completely normal, but on the 1084 the mouse ends at the last line and appears suddenly at the top, for three times. It's possible that you see an icon, but nothing happens when you click on it because its on another of the four layers. The same can happen in vertical, the mouse ends at the right side and apperas on the left ands stops at the 384st pixel. You can't click on anything what is on the first layer. It's absolutely weird, incredible that it works. The A2024 was already working with Kickstart 1.3 using the JumpStart disk. The Workbench 1.4alpha15 also had monitor drivers for Multiscan and A2024. It's amazingly buggy ;-)
If you want to get a great retro TFT, check out the HP L2035. It's a 20" monitor with 1600x1200 native. It's working with 48 Hz, so it's PAL compatible. It features VGA, DVI-I, Composite and S-Video. These can be used for PIP. The DVI-I signal can be used with a passive splitter, than you can select the digital and analog signal individually. So there are 5 video inputs. The S-Video image is extremely good, here's an picture of the C64's HiRes mode with 320x200 pixels: www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/c4q7-72-3cec.jpg Well, one pixel is 1x1 mm in size ;-) Very interesting: probably it has an integrated flickerfixer. I have my A500 connected via the black and white video output, and when I'm starting Shadow of the Beast or other things in interlace, there is no flickering. Another weird monitor is the Eizo L997. With 21,3" it's very huge for an 4:3 monitor. The main interesting fact: It supports automatic rotation, just tilt the monitor and the graphics flip with it. But: The graphic card doesn't have to support rotation. So it's really to use an Amiga in portrait mode with weird modes like Multiscan Productivity Interlace 640x960 or DblPAL HiRes Interlace 640x1024. www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/c4q7-q.jpg www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/c4q7-r.jpg This is plain AGA, using my Cbyervision 64/3D scandoubler. No special self-made resolution.
Retro And More woah Retro Thanks so much for all that awesome information. Really appreciate you taking the time to write that. Now you have my wheels turning! I was always interested in a portrait oriented monitor. my friend had one for his Mac to do desktop publishing. never thought I would see Workbench on one! Very cool. And thanks for sharing the photos. They are very helpful. Really appreciate these comments very much. I will put these monitors on my radar in case I cross paths with one. Great info. Thanks again. All the best -- Bill
@@RetroAndMore89 I had the "priviledge" testing A2024 back in the late 80s since Amiga user wanted so bad to beat Atari, that he wasted the money. I tell you, that monitor is utterly useless for anything, it was a scam. Claiming that it is even close to SM124 is just a plain lie...
John Willaford I pretty much always use 1920x1080. I correct the aspect ratio with my capture card or this neat video converter box called The Decimator. You might also be able to do it with your TV/monitor by setting the aspect ratio to 4:3 but I haven't tried that yet. Hummm I will give that a try tonight. But I can get the aspect ratio perfect when I run it through my capture card.
Hello Bill, You're a true legend for all the amiga fans out there :D I Have an A1200 also and bought the same scart to hdmi converter but i cant make it work on my TV when i plug my amiga directly to my scart output my amiga syncs perfect on 15hz but when i connect the scart to hdmi converter and switch to HDMI i get a white screen that cant sync to 15hz resolution. I got a plasma panasonic 50UT50. Cant understand what happens. :(
Aw, thanks so much paranicib! I am just an Amiga fan, not a legend. They guys who designed it are the legends! But I appreciate that very much. Sorry to hear you are having an issue with the SCART to HDMI converter. Have you tried pressing the PAL/NTSC and 720p/1080p buttons? It might be sending a signal to your TV that it doesn't understand. However, I believe the box does convert it from 15hz to either 50 or 60 depending on what position the PAL/NTSC button is in. Let me know if I can help more. Thanks again! -- Bill
Shell (Bill's t-shirt), that's true access to any system. But open source would take Amiga down to white-cell level access (aka , real access to everyone)
Perhaps, we need to have a talk about bringing Amiga forward into 20th century so we can move into the 21st century. Why is any of this still copyrighted? Anyone?
Hi Andy! Lots of people feel the same, that AmigaOS should be open source. However, it is not, and it is certainly copyrighted. It is very complicated to explain. A-EON owns Amiga OS, but I know there are battles over the Amiga name and copyright as we speak. It is unfortunate. All Amiga users want is a great machine with a great OS. AROS has Amiga roots, is open source, and something I need to get more involved in. Might be something worth checking out. Thanks for the comment and support Andy! -- Bill
Yeah, those are cool! My 1200 is crispy clean, but I need to back that anyway just to support the Amiga community. Could also be cool to get a new case and keyboard and put a Raspberry Pi in it. AMIGA4EVER!!! -- Bill
Hi guys... Thanks for the vid... So I went ahead and purchased one of these SCART to HDMI converters. Pretty sure it's the same one as in your video. Tried it with my Amiga 1200 and just got a grey screen on the monitor. I tried different display settings, fiddled with the buttons on the converter and still just a grey screen. I then checked the SCART cable on an old Amiga monitor and it was was working fine so I'm stumped. It seems to detect the SCART OK but won't display the Amiga's output. I've seen other videos here on youtube using the same converter and these folks just seem to plug it in and it works. Am I missing something here?
+Doug Sternes Hi Doug! Thanks for watching and sorry you are having issues with the converter. Yes, we just plugged it in and it works. Both my LCD TV and computer monitor display all the various resolutions you can output with it. 2 things to consider - perhaps the box is bad? I don't know how good their quality control is, although I haven't heard of someone getting a malfunctioning one yet. Also, there is an HDMI pass through. It can be confusing, but the HDMI Output is actually on the front of the box, which is the opposite side as the SCART connector. Also make sure the input you have selected is SCART and not the HDMI pass through. Try that and if it still doesn't work perhaps you can shoot a cell phone video of the setup and I will take a look and see if I can see what is wrong. What type of TV aor monitor are you connecting to? Good luck -- Bill
+The Guru Meditation Hi Bill... Thanks for the quick response. I've only just gotten back to this... I've followed your on-screen instructions on how to connect the HDMI device so I know that's all OK. I've checked the HDMI cable and the SCART cable and they are OK so I can only assume the converter is faulty. I even booted from a game disk just in case something weird was happening in the start-up but no joy. I could hear the sound (music) from the game but no picture, just a grey screen. So, I've decided to return the device and save up for an Indivision 1200 card. Again, thanks for the response and for taking the time to make these videos (and for helping to keep the Amiga alive!). Cheers! Footnote: So I did a bit more research on RGB to SCART cables and I've discovered that the RGB/SCART cable (that came with my old Amiga 500) doesn't have all the connections required to work with this converter. I pulled it apart and found that Pin 16 (RGB Mode) wasn't connected at all. So, although the cable worked perfectly well with my old Amiga 1084 monitor it wasn't going to work with the HDMI converter... Hmmmm... More info here: eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=47281
+Doug Sternes Wow Doug, I had no idea about that RGB to SCART cable situation. I would have never guessed that. Thanks so much for the information. Sorry you had to go through all that troubleshooting. Maybe I should put an annotation on the video. I think I will. Good luck with the Indivision board. They are absolutely fantastic and are a better solution than this converter box. Thanks for the kind words and for contribution to the discussion and adding valuable information. Really appreciate that. All the best, --- Bill
Hi again guys... Just thought I'd let you know that I ordered a new SCART lead on eBay, plugged it into the converter and it worked right away... So, there you go... Apparently not all SCART leads are created equal! :)
got an mk 2 for my a1200... so im guessing this little £50 converter box is better as it eliminates the mk2s scrolling problems? Popped by to have a look at the A520s RF signal (what i had back in the day cause i couldnt afford a monitor). Its as bad as i remember :)
Trydowave Zod This little box is cool and gives a lot of bang for the buck, but I would say the Indivision has better quality and let's you run at higher resolutions. LOL yeah. RF and Composite are brutal to look at!
Excellent vid guys. Like your enthusiasm. Like mine "Back in the Day". Way back I made an external video slot for the 1200 so you could use an Opalvision card with a 1200. Sold some too. But this demo got me back into a video craze. I bought that box on ebay for 17.00 and I'm waiting for a cable from AmigaKit. I imagine they have to make one. In the meantime, I interfaced a composite to VGA card converter to a VGA to HDMI adapter into this box which output a HDMI image on my Digital Dell monitor. Not better than your demo (The signal is going through 3 converters). But no flicker. I'll see what the SCART cable does after I receive it. And yes its' going through a SuperGen Genlock SX from the 1200. Don't know if I can actually genlock a signal yet. Could not do this "Back in the Day". Thanks for your great videos.
Thanks for the super kind comment Charles! We really appreciate it. Sounds like you have done some very interesting projects. OpalVision on a 1200 - Love it!!! So glad this video got you back into the video craze. We have lots more Amiga Graphics and Video projects planned for this channel so stay tuned and thanks so much for the great comment. AMIGA4EVER!!! -- Bill
Hi Gareth! The output of the box is a little funky, but yes - it absolutely should work. That is how I have it hooked up in my office. The only thing I have trouble with is connecting it to my Black Magic video capture card. It doesn't like the signal, but so far every TV and computer monitor with HDMI has worked for me. Thanks for watching and the good question. Amiga4Ever! -- Bill
Gareth McKee For sure! My pleasure! I have my 1200 hooked up to a LCD computer monitor also then at times I also hook it up to my CRT when I want to bring back the true retro experience. Have fun! -- Bill
My Amiga 600 was an early 1.3 board. I still have a video issue on all outs (RGB, Composite and RF). I had to add the tiny yellow cap to the encoder IC U12 and stopped the PCMCIA flicker but still have a problem with a slightly purple screen. it's fine if I put my workbench palette up a notch on the middle bar (so +1 instead of 0)..... I changed all the caps too and cleaned the board. It's in one of my vids... any ideas? I like your mod. Sexy!
WoW my man 👨 it’s great video, very useful, for me and my beloved CD32 NTSC and had only s-vhs (no rgb) , I bought some years ago a indivision dvi / hdmi , I went out the old analog tv output and place on the case my dvi adaptor and it’s perfect, expensive but Only Amiiigaaaa !!
Oh man, sorry you aren't happy. I feel bad. I am wondering if there is variation in the manufacturing quality or if the lag varies with certain monitors. Reason being is that I don't experience lag, or if there is lag it is imperceptible to me. I am an average gamer, so I suppose a pro could feel the lag, but myself and many of my friends stream live Amiga games and use this scaler with no perceptible lag issue. However, every now and then someone mentions lag in the comments here, so I wonder if there is variation, or if you guys are pro level gamers and can feel it vs. an average gamer like myself.
@@TheGuruMeditation Well its not that i had many other options for that price lol And i can still use it but when you try to play a game like robocod,you will need to adjust to the lag to be able to jump.For slow paced games tho and adventures it will be fine.Im using this to a Sony X900f Tv.
This device has lag of about 4-5 frames! Be aware of that if you think about buying one. Playing action games or flipper simulators is no real joy with this. Using Workbench and general applications is a little bit of pain as well, since mouse cursor movements lag as well - obviously. I researched on this topic, because I felt the lag. Watch this for some lag footage: th-cam.com/video/b3fOde0EBnY/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for bringing the XRGB Mini Framemeister to my attention. I wasn't aware of it and it looks like a superior device for sure, but please keep in mid that is costs $368 + $20.64 shipping vs the cheap upsaclers that you can get for less than $50 and free shipping. $380.64 is more than 2x I paid for my entire Amiga, and $242.34 more than the Indivision AGA MK2cr, so the thing better be perfect! We were trying to show a simple and inexpensive way to hook your Amiga up to something other than your CRT as well as compare the outputs on the 1200. I honestly haven't played games (except for Lemmings) with the $50 SCART to HDMI box in this video, but I will give it a try. I am sure it is not perfect, but for my purposes using DPaint, ADPro, Workbench, and a bunch of other applications it is totally fine. But I guess that is also personal taste. For less then $50 it serves its purpose for me, but I guess it isn't for everyone. If you have the money this Framemeister looks good. Also, I am not sure how accurate that guy's lag test is. Attempting to hit a key at a precise time leaves a LOT of space for human error. I think if this box was actually 5 frames of lag it would be utterly useless. That is a massive amount of lag. My cursor has a bit of tearing but I can't believe that it is 5 frames off. At 5 frames off I think it would be difficult just to click on an icon, which certainly isn't the case for me but perhaps this is what you are experiencing. It is also possible that the QC for these things is nonexistent so maybe I got a good one and there are some with substantial lag. But thanks for watching and commenting on the video. It is nice to know about the XRGB Framemeister and I might try it out one day when I have the extra cash but at that price I certainly would go for an Indivision card first and get the benefit of being able to run the Amiga at higher resolutions. Looks like the XRGB is better suited for someone who is also console gamer like the guy in the video. Cheers. -- Bill
It's alive!!! after some twenty odd years my a1200 still works! it has a mtec 1230 card with 4mb on it i think external floppy purrrrfectic. WB 3.1 disk all there and working. Great video guys! Going to buy this cable Love the Amiga!
Guys could you help me out. I've connected the Amiga rgb /Scart and it looks awesome however I've got a black bar at the right of the screen as if the workbench isn't centered. Workbench display is displayed correctly. Can i fix this? Panasonic HD TV
+The Guru Meditation I'm connecting directly to scart, forgot the box bit you mentioned. That's the problem i think.. TV setting aspect ratio is now 16:9 the best option except for the bar. Thanks for the reply. Now tinkering with 5.25 drive still can't believe it's actually working and the disks also even better than 3.5 disks... I'm having a ball here just turned 40 , best birthday.... EVER
***** Sweet! Happy birthday dude! I just turned 40 myself. Yeah, your TV is probably having trouble with a 4:3 SD image. Play with the aspect ratio settings on the TV. You may have a mode that stretches it to fill the screen which could get rid of the black bar, although you would be distorting the image. I don't care about the distortion for Productivity, but for images and games it is best not to have it, but that is personal preference. Also, your TV could have a setting to center a 4:3 image. Being that you are seeing the whole Amiga image the problem doesn't seem to be on the Amiga side, but you could experiment with different screen resolutions in Workbench. Experimenting is half the fun! Wow, good luck with the floppies. That is great news. Yeah, the Amiga 3.5" were a bit unreliable back then, and it has only gotten worse. Good luck and keep us posted. Have a great birthday. Anthony and I are actually leaving for a vintage computer holiday party right now. We will lift some egg nog in honor of your birthday and a newly restored A1200. Way to go! -- Bill
+The Guru Meditation Thanks! Have fun you guys.... Will be tinkering on and like you said experimenting is half the fun! Greets from the Netherlands, Groningen. Amiga4Ever
I'm looking for a way to do the opposite if anyone can help me out. I have two working Amiga 1080 monitors. I prefer running my Amiga emulators to my real ones. I'd love to be able to adapt my PC laptop to output to an Amiga 1080 monitor for an RGB signal. Anyone have any idea how to do this? It would work great not only for Amiga emulation but all retro computers with a better display than many had originally, plus arcade emulation. I currently run my Amiga & other emulations in an arcade cabinet with a 19" open frame arcade monitor. That's great, but I'd love to be able to place the enclosed 14" 1080 monitor in my living room on my coffee table when I don't feel like going in my basement arcade.
There seems to be a little bit (certainly haven't experienced as much as others have claimed they have), but I haven't measured it. It doesn't bother me, or effect my gameplay, but it may if you are a competitive gamer.
@@TheGuruMeditation I bought it,and indeed it has a bit of latency on my A1200,but if i remember right the system has some kind of latency by default also...I need sometime to get used to it but its fine.The only thing that i don't like so much is that it doesnt use the full screen.I wish i could fix that somehow.
Not sure I follow the argument, and the image is horribly overcontrast with fringing, but if you want expert advice, here we go. If you want "we get picture! wow!!" follow this. You will probably be happy until you find out it sucks and you get something else. If you want to the best moving graphics on the screen, no flat panel will do because of the blurring whenever something moves. A late model CRT TV in your area will display a big picture best, a reference monitor like Sony BVM/PVM or Ikegami will display a small picture best. If you insist the 12" stand of a flat panel is what you can fit and 20" depth is not a table that you can acquire ever in your lifetime, get a flat panel TV made after 2011. These have the new chips and will deinterlace S-Video decently, still with the motion graphics issue of all flat panels. And finally, for upscalers, follow the advice of anyone here that is into Arcades or MAME and don't mind the blurred graphics. Instead of this. They will recommend a better expensive extra box to fit on your table where there is no depth left whatsoever. End salt.
Thanks for the comment and thoughts. I am with you. I like the CRT's the best, but the point of the video was to explain the outputs on a 1200 and show people how to hook it up to a flat screen TV they likely already have. The video wasn't necessarily about getting the best image out of your Amiga. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that. Recently lots of people have been digging out their Amigas and frequently asking me how to connect it to the TV in their living room and I think this scaler is a cheap and pretty good way to do it. I also have an OSSC and it produces an amazing image. I have heard the Frameister is excellent too, but haven't tested one on my Amiga. I love those old Sony BVM and PVM's. I used to use them as reference monitors for my Sony D600 Betacm SP camera. Now my DIT brings his Flanders that was calibrated at Abel Cine Tec when I shoot Alexa or RED. Would be fun to hook the 1200 up to that! Thanks again for your comment, I appreciate the thoughtful ones like this. Cheers!
ChrisP872 Ha ha, very true! Sometimes I get so stressed out on camera I say silly things. It wasn't my first mistake and won't be my last. I should have had a few more beers prior to shooting! Maybe I wouldn't have said "awesome" so many times. -- Bill
The Guru Meditation I had to make this response because my brother made animations on the Amiga and used to say "boot" for loading and starting them and I used to say, "You don't boot animations" to him. At least, I think this happened. It was so long ago it sometimes seems like it was a dream.
I just started watching the channel but I think you guys are making really great videos. It's nice to see other Amiga users in the USA. It seems the vast majority of fans are overseas. After more than a decade I'm starting to use Amigas again and even got my A1200 back online.
ChrisP872 Thanks so much for the kind words Chris! Glad you are enjoying our videos. The positive feedback really means a lot to us. We have so many cool things planned. We use the channel as an excuse for us to take out our machines and use them again. So glad you have resurrected your A1200 too. Yes, the Amiga was huge in Europe and that seems to be where many of the die-hards are today also. Although, in the heyday, we had about 125 members in our local user group and AMUSE, which was just 45 minutes away in NYC, had hundreds so there was a core group here too. Hopefully they will re-surface and take their Amigas out of storage too!
It just sucks that no modern LCD monitors will accept 15KHz signals, as they all should. It has nothing to do with cost or effort. "Nobody needs that" is the battle cry of the lazy.
"Take that data off the machine"... through Composite Video? That's not the data you're taking off there. Copy the files over something, that would be getting data off.. through composite, you're getting off a bad representation of the animation, but in no way are you taking off the data there... This sounds stupid to me, sorry to say.
So good to know my old A1200 in the attic can come to life again, along with all of its when-I-was-young memories!! Thank you so much!!
I made a scart for my miggy but not the traditional one. To avoid blank pauses to modern tvs you must built a scart with resistors or capacitors depending your tv.
My scart gives you clear results and even I can switch from 4:3 to 16:9. My cheap LG tv upscales the image to 1080 and displays amiga interlace resolutions without flickering.
Very nice video guys, keep up!
+Vincent GR That's really cool Vincent! Would love to see a photo of your device. Way to go! Thanks for the kind words.
The Guru Meditation
I only have a video on my channel playing slam tilt with some friends, I have to take more photos though from the tv but next month when I'll return home.
Here are some pics :-)
partsfromthepast.blogspot.gr/
imageshack.com/i/3ua1200fastj
If you want I can give the schematics for the scart.
The First few seconds of that Theme playing were enough for me to like :)
ha ha, thanks!
I run this very same setup for my European Amiga 1200 here in the USA. I also use RGB SCART for almost all of my retro consoles.
Nice! This setup is working very well for me. Next I have to get a SACRT cable for my C64!
Well, i've thought about this converter many weeks ago, now i've found the answer: it works great! Thank you for this test!
+Fabio Solazzo You are welcome! Thanks for watching. It does work great and the price is right. I have one connected to my A1200 and LCD monitor in my office and use it all the time. -- Bill
Amazing video! Thanks guys! Amiga 1200 rocks!
Interestingly, the "flicker" was initially hailed as a negative of the Amiga line, but later turned out to be a selling point, as it allowed the Amiga to output directly to NTSC and PAL video recorders, something that no PC or Mac could do at the time without expensive hardware. This was also almost certainly the reason Newtek chose the Amiga for their Video Toaster (which also was a huge selling point for Commodore).
It's nice to know that there are not only people still devoting time and energy to the Amiga, but actually still creating software and hardware for it. That is what you call devotion! My A1200 (w/33mhz '030 card and a whopping 4 megabytes of RAM!) sits in my closet: I should pull it out and play some 'Stardust'....
JW3HH
+JustWasted3HoursHere Thanks so much for watching JW3HH! We really appreciate it. Yeah, one of the reasons why NewTek chose the Amiga was certainly because it used standard TV timing signals. The system clock is 7.16 MHz which is 2x the NTSC color carrier frequency of 3.579 MHz which made it easy to sync the video signal, however I don't believe NewTek was very fond of Commodore as a company. Check out the demo of the video toaster we had at our local Amiga user group back in 1990. I will never forget that night. Enjoy and thanks again for the comment! -- Bill th-cam.com/video/PztnHY4IMLc/w-d-xo.html
+The Guru Meditation Yeah, as a company, Commodore was its own worst enemy. They should have put someone who actually _believed_ in the product in charge. Irving Gould and those other guys probably couldn't format a floppy if you asked them. They couldn't care less. Look what happened to Apple once Steve Jobs came back: His vision propelled Apple into the stratosphere. Those other corporate flunkies would have killed Apple long before.
Anyway, I still have my DCTV (with its excellent DCTV Paint) in the closet (Couldn't afford a Toaster...or an Amiga 2000!) and it still works! Sort of a "poor man's Toaster" minus the 3D software.
Thanks for the video, guys.
JW3HH
I have a LCD TV with Scart input. Though my screen flickers between a crisp screen and a completely grey screen after a minute or so the screen goes completely grey. There is no RGB logo (arrow) next to the scart input on the TV. This SCART to HDMI should fix this issue. The alternative is gertting a new/older LCD TV.
where do you purchase the scart to Amiga DB 23 cable?
I got mine from AmigaKit. Not sure where else you can get them
I've heard that some of these video signal converter boxes can add a little bit of lag. Do you perceive any introduced lag when typing or playing games while using this unit?
Hi Spurious! Thanks for watching. I have also heard of people complaining about boxes like this, but I have to say this particular one combined with my Asus monitor works well for me. There is a small bit of "funky stuff" happening. For, example when I move the mouse the edges look a tad bit blurry, but I have not experienced any serious lag or poor frame rate like some people claim. It serves its purpose fine for me. I am not doing hardcore gaming, I do more productivity things, but I have played Arkanoid, Another World, Fairy Tale Adventure, Marble Madness, and a few others and it was fine. There could be some variation in build quality, and perhaps I got a "good one" but for under $50 USD it serves its purpose well for me, but that is just my opinion. Some people complain that they can't even use Workbench, but that certainly is not the case for me. Is there a particular game you want to play? Let me know and I will be happy to test it for you. Thanks! -- Bill
IIRC you could toggle PAL/NTSC tuming by holding both mouse buttons on bootup.
+TheTurnipKing Yes, that is a cool feature.
The scaler is a good option for 50 bucks, but the Indivision card is still better because you can add filters like scanlines etc. I use the XRGB Framemeister Mini for the A1200, and the picture looks very good and authentic without any noticeable input lag. Looking forward to more videos from you guys :)
+Kenny O Thanks for the kind words Kenny! Yeah, can't wait to install that Indivision board. It looks so awesome. Didn't realize it will simulate scan lines too!
Can you still buy this RGB to scary convertor anywhere as it's no longer on Amazon
I buy it here i Germany on Amazon last Week. 32,90€ (38,70 US-Dollar). There are different Companys who sell it but i think its always the same Hardware.
That little box is a full frame scaler, as opposed to scan-line doubler. There are advantages to that (no interlace), but also one big negative - huge display latency, like 3 or 4 frames. Not good for reflex reaction games.
It is funny. I have noticed the output of the box is a little "strange" For example when you move the mouse in Workbench there is some wierdness around the edges. Also, my capture card doesn't recognize the output natively. I have to run it through a Decimator. However, i have not experienced a latency of 3-4 frames. That is a massive delay and would render the box useless to me. I have played games on it with no problem. It certainly is not as good as Amiga RGB directly to a CRT, but I find the games to be totally playable. Or maybe I am just used to Amiga games being difficult, LOL. I have streamed from this box to Twitch and TH-cam. You can see an example here: th-cam.com/video/g6jq6qatupA/w-d-xo.html Is it possible I got a "good one"? Thanks for watching. -- Bill
I was sort of thinking about getting a Amiga 500 because i have a Sony Bravia Tv that has a Special PC preset options and Analog channels.
The 500 is great! Go for it
Sweet!
Nice vid guys. Gotta love RGB to SCART. That HDMI box looks interesting too. Where was that bought from?
***** Thanks +Obraxis We put the links to the cable and SCART to HDMI box in
the description, but it is difficult to see unless you scroll down. Here
is the link: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D86UYBS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
Thanks for this useful info! Cheers from Catalonia.
Any delay with all that jazz hooked to the output? Are games in sync..any lag?
+thedevilbunny Yeah, everything seems to be in sync with no delay, however we haven't done a detailed test with many games yet. We will test it out and let you know. There is some black magic happening in that box for sure. The video is quality is generally excellent, but not perfect. For example, when you move the mouse in WB the pointer gets a bit "weird" if you look closely. Almost a bit of smearing. It looks like it goes a little soft. No big deal in my opinion, but it does happen. I will test a few games this week.
+thedevilbunny I have this SCART-HDMI box and YES there is a delay. Maybe it is not so noticeable in games but in Workbench you can feel little "dizzy" while moving the mouse cursor. I think the delay must be something between 150-300ms.
Actually scart can also handle composite and s-video. Which you have to look out for with some cheap scart leads.
Great point. I discovered this when connecting my C64 to SCART
The SCART to HDMI Converter on amazon is no longer available. Anyone have an alternative converter or place to get one of these?
That specific link is no longer valid, but just search SCART to HDMI converter on Amazon and you will find many options.
I know this is a very old question. But for those who might be looking these days. This converter is sold by many, and there is a lot of them on eBay for like 20-30$. Just look for those with the same design as the one on Amazon. And just read the description. It has to say RGB somewhere, if you buy a Scart to hdmi converter without RGB you will just get a completely distorted and unrecognizable image.
Superb video thanks a lot! greetings from Czech Republic
Robert Jankovič Thanks for the kind words Robert. glad you enjoyed it! Say hi to the Czech Republic. I love it there. Very beautiful country! -- Bill
A very professionally presented and informative video. Thanks guys. :-)
Thank you MrSlipstream! Glad you enjoyed it. Best, -- Bill
Do these upscalers make the Amiga compatible with any LCD monitor (signal wise), or do you still require a monitor that supports a 15 kHz signal?
Great question! Any is a strong word, but 99.99% of the monitors will work as it converts it to a standard 1920x1080 50 or 60 hertz signal
SCART signals are analogue while HDMI signals are digital, so the little box shown in the video is doing such conversion leaving the 15 khz requirement behind I suppose. This requires the right converter anyway, see www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/SCART-TO-HDMI-CONVERTERS-TO-AVOID. A conversion could add some lags and picture won't be as sharp as using a proper, good quality (not scandex) scandoubler but it's way cheaper and it works.
My flat screen has a scart connector, will this do? Or do you think this HDMI box is definitely the best idea? Also how did you record the screen so nice?
Thanks guys
+Damian Brown If your flat screen has a SCART connector you don't need the box - only the cable. However it would be interesting to compare the quality of the SCART input to upscaled HDMI. We don't have any monitors with SCART so we can't try it as SCART is very rare here in the US. We recorded the screen using an Atomos Ninja Blade HDMI recorder www.atomos.com/ninja-blade/ but you can also use something cheaper like the Elgato: www.amazon.com/Elgato-Capture-PlayStation-gameplay-1080p60/dp/B00MIQ40JQ/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1444054748&sr=8-8&keywords=hdmi+record
Thanks a lot!!! :D I'll check that out now!
Damian Brown
Our pleasure. Good luck!
+Damian Brown Oh one thing. we used the Atomos to record the HDMI output, but for the analog RF and Composite outputs we used a BlackMagic Intensity Shuttle. It is supposed to be able to record HDMI also, but it wouldn't recognize the output of the SCART to HDMI box. The Atomos Ninja Blade and Elgato that we recommended to you are HDMI ONLY recorders.
I could reply to this :). I'm from Italy, so my 22" lg lcd (model m2262dp) have a scart connector. I was almost satisfied with it, but I tried this kind of adapter and the result is that in Workbench and in-game the screen looks better, the image is clean, the colours vivid. I compared this to another Amiga with Indivision to the same Lcd and the same setup and I have seen no difference. Just in case someone else would like to buy this adapter, thats mine: www.amazon.it/gp/aw/d/B00K55RMO2/ref=ya_aw_oh_pii?ie=UTF8&psc=1#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1444974944679
Are scanlines a plus with the Amiga?
+Evert van Ingen Well, being that we used to use CRT monitors with the Amiga back then, many people like to emulate scan lines when working with a modern emulator or when using an LCD in order to bring back the feel of a CRT. Personally I don't do that. I keep the image clean when using an emulator, and when using my actual Amiga I try to use CRTs as much as possible because that brings the experience back for me. Once I am on an LCD I feel like 1/2 the experience is missing even when using original hardware. One thing that the Amiga did have is flicker when you ran it in interlaced mode. That made it difficult to work with for extended periods of time especially when working with text. That is why they came out with "Flicker Fixers" Thanks for watching and the comment! -- Bill
+The Guru Meditation Sony PVM Monitors are great for perfect scan lines.
Thank you for your comment as well :)
What does the Amiga output? 240p or 480i?
Right on Evert! The Aimga is 480i from the composite, but can display higher resolutions from the RGB port and even higher resolutions with something like the Indivision AGA board. -- Bill
I just built an old 1200 for gaming. I was surprised at how good the RGB was over scart.
Thanks Justin, for the tips. I like to do more than just gaming and I am.
CF card already installed not missing my HD noise ;)
Collection expanded with 2 A500
Yeah, the RGB to SCART does look good. Wish I had a monitor with SCART so I didn't have to use the converter box.
nice and sound, like in these old days. I look forward for another GM-video presenting "VBS" , video backup system. :) I used it with ntsc composite out and 4 head VHS recorder :), results were satisfactory, my floppies were backed up and restored!
+Qvverty Ha ha! Sounds like a plan. I wonder if you would get better backups with the RGB out???
+The Guru Meditation yes, there was an option to compress/increase capacity, but I wanted to be sure I can restore my backups w/o errors. I loved when I used to press PLAY and after a minute my vhs-floppy was there recorded, from VHS tape :) like C64 tape, but how modern solution - video backup, so many Megabytes xP www.leszczamiga.cba.pl/elektronika/vbs.gif - schematic diagram of such a device if you can't reach it, you could build it :]]
cheers Guys...
+Qvverty Wow, wow, wow! That is incredible. Thanks for sharing @qvverty!
Sounds like even in the Non PAL regions, its an advantage to have a PAL Amiga with the SCART to HDMI... yes? Wouldn't that be the best- use the higher resolution of the PAL Amiga?
+Douglas Crawford Yeah feeding it the higher resolution makes sense Doug. That SCART converter box even has a PAL/NTSC switch. You know, the A1200 can switch between PAL and NTSC mode. I am guessing it outputs the higher resolution to the RGB port even though it is an NTSC Amiga - I never tried running the 1200 in PAL. Hummmmm. That will be a fun new experiment. Thanks Doug! Although for best image quality a board like the Indivision that we show at the end of the video is still the best option. -- Bill
+The Guru Meditation
So running the PAL version of the games might be important too- where I supose the graphics are rendered in the higher resolution.
+Douglas Crawford For sure Doug. You would certainly want the PAL versions of the game. I remember having some PAL games on my 500 and not being able to see the bottom if the image making it very difficult to play!
does it work like a scan doubler? i mean when you change resolution to vga mode in an A1200 it convert in normal 60 hz signal through hdmi?
It is a bit of a mystery exactly how the magic black box works, but yes. When I change the resolution on the Amiga the box will convert it to 60hz over the HDMI. The signal is a bit "funky" though. my monitor recognizes it with no issue, but when I want to record or stream it I must run the signal through my Decimator. One note. If you upscale to 1080 with the box the image will be stretched to 16:9. You will have to correct this through your capture software or the settings on you monitor (if it is capable of that) Or you can live with a stretched image then you don't have to worry or you can send a lower resolution tyo the monitor that won't be stretched. -- Bill
interesting! thanks for the answer ;)
No problem. The box isn't perfect, but for for less than $50 it has done right by me especially since I am constantly switching between my 500, 1200, and 4000 during streams and recordings. It works with any Amiga
Thanks for this excellent video! I just ordered a Scart to HDMI converter just as showed in your video, from gearbest. I am looking forward to try it out on my Amiga 1200 and my 28" LCD Toshiba TV
Nice video guys. I also use an RGB Scart to Scart TV on my much older Samsung LCD 32", works great though colour reproduction is not 100% but close enough but that's more down to the TV itself showing it's age.
Same applies to the C64 which i've used to connect the same TV via it's Scart.
One thing i must try and you guys reminded me, Hooking up one of my Amigas via same method to a bigger & newer LG Plasma TV i recently got.... it failed miserably with the C64, Picture badly distorted /rolling which i guess i put down to the weird 600Hz rating of said TV.
Cheers guys.
***** Thanks for the comment ***** ! Wow, using this technique to connect a C64 to our modern TV is a great idea! We have to try that. Yes, Shadow of the Beast and other Amiga games never looked so good up on a big screen! Same goes for the demos. So cool!
Is there any latency issues with the box or similar in gaming on the Amiga computers? The animation looks good, but really want to know about games with scart to hdmi, any issues with that?
Also the one scart to hdmi converter you list is no longer available. I know all are not created equal, Anyone know of a good quality converter currently available?
Great question. Personally I and many of my friends game with it without any problem. Technically there is a slight bit of latency, but I can't tell. A pro gamer may be able to. There is a bit of fringing on the mouse pointer. Here is a link to the newer model of the scaler www.amazon.com/VCANDO-Converter-Adapter-Switch-Scaler/dp/B01N06Q9WH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=27K05BQ2SA4XA&keywords=scart+to+hdmi&qid=1572902160&sprefix=scart%2Caps%2C139&sr=8-3
@@TheGuruMeditation Oh Cool, thanks Guys (Bill and Anthony)! I'll look into this for sure! Long live Amiga!!!
I have a VGA input monitor, with the HD Video Converter do you reckon an HDMI to VGA adaptor on the output would work?
Thanks in advance :)
Just get a HDMI monitor and be sure.
This little box shows how RGB is superior to Composite, but clearly doesn't do it justice. It is really the lowest of ends regarding upscalers. Something that didn't show in your video is the lag it produces (rendering many games with tight action unplayable), the terrible deinterlacing artefacts it produces when scrolling, the overall pixel smearing, and the inaccurate colour reproduction. But even with all these faults, it's still better than Composite. If you want to see RGB in all its glory, you should check out better upscalers like the XRGB Framemeister. I'm not even sure these cheap boxes are even as good as a European LCD with RGB Scart.
+khaz Sorry i just saw your comment now. Yeah, this box is great for productivity software and I have played Lemmings and a few other games with it, but nothing very intense so I don't know how bad it will be with the tearing that it introduces. I bet a direct SCART connection would be better. I never heard of the XRGB Framemeister, but will check it out. I also have to install my Indivision AGA board which should look great. Thanks for the comment and watching. Really appreciate it! -- Bill
That unit will cost 40 USD, a framemeister is well over 400 USD, and has lag of its own. The occs is cheaper and has zero lag.
@@TheGuruMeditation He doesn't mention tearing. If you think this is the issue for USING the Amiga, maybe stick to hooking it up once and record a video of you sharing the thoughts you have. Others will find the faults.
@@Vorper I like the OSCC but it cane be finakey and because it is literally just doubling the number of lines some monitors can't handle the odd resolutions it puts out. But when it is working it produces an incredible image.
@@ScoopexUs Overall I still like and use this scaler. I use it every week on my Twitch streams. The tearing isn't much of an issure for me. The OSSC produces better results, but unfortunately my monitor and capture card can't deal with the odd resolutions it puts out
Nice Video! Thank you! I just buy the Cable and the Box but its not possible for me to get the picture to the full 16:9 screen? The Quality looks more better then befor but how I say. I can not get the Picture to the whole 16:9 Screen. There is always a black stripe left/right and on the bottom and also on the top. What have I exactly to to? THX!
Thanks! Glad you liked the video. You have to press the 720p/1080p button on the front of the converter box. It will cycle through all the resolutions it is capable of. In 720p and 1080p it will produce a 16:9 image that fills the screen of a 16:9 monitor. You must also make sure that your monitor or TV is set to 16:9 mode - not 4:3 or another aspect ratio. Hope that helps! -- Bill
The Guru Meditation: Thx for your fast answer. I also was thinking I have to push these button but it doesnt work. The screen is not completley in 16:9. The TV is in 16:9 Mode. I have no idea what I did wrong?
That is strange. I have used it on several monitors/tv's and never had that problem. Perhaps it has to do with NTSC vs. PAL? I have only used it with an NTSC Amiga. It should't make a difference though because at the end of the day that box puts out a 1920x1080 signal which is 16:9 -- Bill
Check if the TV has "PC" or "TV" mode for the HDMI input. This will usually adjust overscan / underscan settings.
If you want to have a very special experience, connect an A2024 greyscale monitor two the RGB port and a 1084 to the composite out connector. It's an interesting to work on the 1084 then ;-)
Retro And More woah! That would be cool. if I come across one of those monitors I will give it a go. Thanks! -- Bill
The A2024 has directly an 23pin connector. The Atari ST was known for its SM124 black & white monitor with a resolution of 640x400 @ 72 Hz. However, it was a very small monitor. The original A2024 is a 15" monitor with framebuffer and the Amber flickerixer chip from the A3000. There should also exist a 17" version. The monitor has four greyscales plus black and white, so it is perfect for DTP and CAD. The resolution is 1024 x 800 in NTSC and 1024 x 1024 in PAL. It can't display the HAM mode. With just four greyscales colors really look odd, the color flickering in the Turrican II title is more a color-flickering. And the very colorful game itself looks absolutely weird.
The A2024 mode is incredible. It tranfers with a frequency of 10 or 15 Hz about 6 PAL or NTSC images into the monitor, they will be buffered and can display the full image. Vertically it's one image to 640 pixels, then 384 pixels in another frame. This method is repeated four times, so you have in PAL (640+384) x (256x4) pixels resolution. On the 1084, you'll see a wild flickering yellow screen. Moving the mouse down on the A2024 looks completely normal, but on the 1084 the mouse ends at the last line and appears suddenly at the top, for three times. It's possible that you see an icon, but nothing happens when you click on it because its on another of the four layers. The same can happen in vertical, the mouse ends at the right side and apperas on the left ands stops at the 384st pixel. You can't click on anything what is on the first layer. It's absolutely weird, incredible that it works.
The A2024 was already working with Kickstart 1.3 using the JumpStart disk. The Workbench 1.4alpha15 also had monitor drivers for Multiscan and A2024. It's amazingly buggy ;-)
If you want to get a great retro TFT, check out the HP L2035. It's a 20" monitor with 1600x1200 native. It's working with 48 Hz, so it's PAL compatible. It features VGA, DVI-I, Composite and S-Video. These can be used for PIP. The DVI-I signal can be used with a passive splitter, than you can select the digital and analog signal individually. So there are 5 video inputs. The S-Video image is extremely good, here's an picture of the C64's HiRes mode with 320x200 pixels:
www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/c4q7-72-3cec.jpg
Well, one pixel is 1x1 mm in size ;-) Very interesting: probably it has an integrated flickerfixer. I have my A500 connected via the black and white video output, and when I'm starting Shadow of the Beast or other things in interlace, there is no flickering.
Another weird monitor is the Eizo L997. With 21,3" it's very huge for an 4:3 monitor. The main interesting fact: It supports automatic rotation, just tilt the monitor and the graphics flip with it. But: The graphic card doesn't have to support rotation. So it's really to use an Amiga in portrait mode with weird modes like Multiscan Productivity Interlace 640x960 or DblPAL HiRes Interlace 640x1024.
www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/c4q7-q.jpg
www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/c4q7-r.jpg
This is plain AGA, using my Cbyervision 64/3D scandoubler. No special self-made resolution.
Retro And More woah Retro Thanks so much for all that awesome information. Really appreciate you taking the time to write that. Now you have my wheels turning! I was always interested in a portrait oriented monitor. my friend had one for his Mac to do desktop publishing. never thought I would see Workbench on one! Very cool. And thanks for sharing the photos. They are very helpful. Really appreciate these comments very much. I will put these monitors on my radar in case I cross paths with one. Great info. Thanks again. All the best -- Bill
@@RetroAndMore89 I had the "priviledge" testing A2024 back in the late 80s since Amiga user wanted so bad to beat Atari, that he wasted the money.
I tell you, that monitor is utterly useless for anything, it was a scam. Claiming that it is even close to SM124 is just a plain lie...
These videos are great! And in this case, I love that little box!
Thanks so much for the kind words and the comments Foebane. Really appreciate it and am glad you are enjoying the videos. More to come!
What different resolutions have you used with this adapter?
John Willaford I pretty much always use 1920x1080. I correct the aspect ratio with my capture card or this neat video converter box called The Decimator. You might also be able to do it with your TV/monitor by setting the aspect ratio to 4:3 but I haven't tried that yet. Hummm I will give that a try tonight. But I can get the aspect ratio perfect when I run it through my capture card.
Hello Bill, You're a true legend for all the amiga fans out there :D
I Have an A1200 also and bought the same scart to hdmi converter but i cant make it work on my TV when i plug my amiga directly to my scart output my amiga syncs perfect on 15hz but when i connect the scart to hdmi converter and switch to HDMI i get a white screen that cant sync to 15hz resolution. I got a plasma panasonic 50UT50.
Cant understand what happens. :(
Aw, thanks so much paranicib! I am just an Amiga fan, not a legend. They guys who designed it are the legends! But I appreciate that very much. Sorry to hear you are having an issue with the SCART to HDMI converter. Have you tried pressing the PAL/NTSC and 720p/1080p buttons? It might be sending a signal to your TV that it doesn't understand. However, I believe the box does convert it from 15hz to either 50 or 60 depending on what position the PAL/NTSC button is in. Let me know if I can help more. Thanks again! -- Bill
Perfect, great video, cheers gents 👍
You guys are awesome - thanks for the video!
Aw, thank you very much David! This is a old video, but still fun to throw it on. I am still using the cheap SCART to HDMI converter.
Shell (Bill's t-shirt), that's true access to any system. But open source would take Amiga down to white-cell level access (aka , real access to everyone)
Perhaps, we need to have a talk about bringing Amiga forward into 20th century so we can move into the 21st century. Why is any of this still copyrighted? Anyone?
Hi Andy! Lots of people feel the same, that AmigaOS should be open source. However, it is not, and it is certainly copyrighted. It is very complicated to explain. A-EON owns Amiga OS, but I know there are battles over the Amiga name and copyright as we speak. It is unfortunate. All Amiga users want is a great machine with a great OS. AROS has Amiga roots, is open source, and something I need to get more involved in. Might be something worth checking out. Thanks for the comment and support Andy! -- Bill
Are you guys excited about the kickstarter campaign for new cases and keycaps ? :)
Yeah, those are cool! My 1200 is crispy clean, but I need to back that anyway just to support the Amiga community. Could also be cool to get a new case and keyboard and put a Raspberry Pi in it. AMIGA4EVER!!! -- Bill
Hi guys... Thanks for the vid...
So I went ahead and purchased one of these SCART to HDMI converters. Pretty sure it's the same one as in your video. Tried it with my Amiga 1200 and just got a grey screen on the monitor. I tried different display settings, fiddled with the buttons on the converter and still just a grey screen. I then checked the SCART cable on an old Amiga monitor and it was was working fine so I'm stumped. It seems to detect the SCART OK but won't display the Amiga's output.
I've seen other videos here on youtube using the same converter and these folks just seem to plug it in and it works. Am I missing something here?
+Doug Sternes Hi Doug! Thanks for watching and sorry you are having issues with the converter. Yes, we just plugged it in and it works. Both my LCD TV and computer monitor display all the various resolutions you can output with it. 2 things to consider - perhaps the box is bad? I don't know how good their quality control is, although I haven't heard of someone getting a malfunctioning one yet. Also, there is an HDMI pass through. It can be confusing, but the HDMI Output is actually on the front of the box, which is the opposite side as the SCART connector. Also make sure the input you have selected is SCART and not the HDMI pass through. Try that and if it still doesn't work perhaps you can shoot a cell phone video of the setup and I will take a look and see if I can see what is wrong. What type of TV aor monitor are you connecting to? Good luck -- Bill
+The Guru Meditation Hi Bill... Thanks for the quick response. I've only just gotten back to this...
I've followed your on-screen instructions on how to connect the HDMI device so I know that's all OK. I've checked the HDMI cable and the SCART cable and they are OK so I can only assume the converter is faulty. I even booted from a game disk just in case something weird was happening in the start-up but no joy. I could hear the sound (music) from the game but no picture, just a grey screen. So, I've decided to return the device and save up for an Indivision 1200 card.
Again, thanks for the response and for taking the time to make these videos (and for helping to keep the Amiga alive!). Cheers!
Footnote: So I did a bit more research on RGB to SCART cables and I've discovered that the RGB/SCART cable (that came with my old Amiga 500) doesn't have all the connections required to work with this converter. I pulled it apart and found that Pin 16 (RGB Mode) wasn't connected at all. So, although the cable worked perfectly well with my old Amiga 1084 monitor it wasn't going to work with the HDMI converter... Hmmmm...
More info here: eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=47281
+Doug Sternes Wow Doug, I had no idea about that RGB to SCART cable situation. I would have never guessed that. Thanks so much for the information. Sorry you had to go through all that troubleshooting. Maybe I should put an annotation on the video. I think I will. Good luck with the Indivision board. They are absolutely fantastic and are a better solution than this converter box. Thanks for the kind words and for contribution to the discussion and adding valuable information. Really appreciate that. All the best, --- Bill
Hi again guys...
Just thought I'd let you know that I ordered a new SCART lead on eBay, plugged it into the converter and it worked right away... So, there you go... Apparently not all SCART leads are created equal! :)
Doug Sternes
OK, glad it worked. Thanks for the update. Which one did you get? Thanks again Doug. -- Bill
got an mk 2 for my a1200... so im guessing this little £50 converter box is better as it eliminates the mk2s scrolling problems? Popped by to have a look at the A520s RF signal (what i had back in the day cause i couldnt afford a monitor). Its as bad as i remember :)
Trydowave Zod This little box is cool and gives a lot of bang for the buck, but I would say the Indivision has better quality and let's you run at higher resolutions. LOL yeah. RF and Composite are brutal to look at!
Excellent vid guys. Like your enthusiasm. Like mine "Back in the Day". Way back I made an external video slot for the 1200 so you could use an Opalvision card with a 1200. Sold some too. But this demo got me back into a video craze. I bought that box on ebay for 17.00 and I'm waiting for a cable from AmigaKit. I imagine they have to make one. In the meantime, I interfaced a composite to VGA card converter to a VGA to HDMI adapter into this box which output a HDMI image on my Digital Dell monitor. Not better than your demo (The signal is going through 3 converters). But no flicker. I'll see what the SCART cable does after I receive it. And yes its' going through a SuperGen Genlock SX from the 1200. Don't know if I can actually genlock a signal yet. Could not do this "Back in the Day". Thanks for your great videos.
Thanks for the super kind comment Charles! We really appreciate it. Sounds like you have done some very interesting projects. OpalVision on a 1200 - Love it!!! So glad this video got you back into the video craze. We have lots more Amiga Graphics and Video projects planned for this channel so stay tuned and thanks so much for the great comment. AMIGA4EVER!!! -- Bill
daft question would this work on a pc monitor with hdmi input?
Hi Gareth! The output of the box is a little funky, but yes - it absolutely should work. That is how I have it hooked up in my office. The only thing I have trouble with is connecting it to my Black Magic video capture card. It doesn't like the signal, but so far every TV and computer monitor with HDMI has worked for me. Thanks for watching and the good question. Amiga4Ever! -- Bill
+The Guru Meditation fantastic ! great way to get my a1200 out and in use... thanks for the response !
Gareth McKee
For sure! My pleasure! I have my 1200 hooked up to a LCD computer monitor also then at times I also hook it up to my CRT when I want to bring back the true retro experience. Have fun! -- Bill
My Amiga 600 was an early 1.3 board. I still have a video issue on all outs (RGB, Composite and RF).
I had to add the tiny yellow cap to the encoder IC U12 and stopped the PCMCIA flicker but still have a problem with a slightly purple screen. it's fine if I put my workbench palette up a notch on the middle bar (so +1 instead of 0).....
I changed all the caps too and cleaned the board. It's in one of my vids... any ideas?
I like your mod. Sexy!
Hummmmm. I am not sure about that. I will check with Anthony and see if he knows. He is more of a hardware guy. Sorry Anthony. -- Bill
Thanks Bill
The internet is full of these 'adaptervideos' but no one tests the different screenmodes (resolutions and with/without interlace) with Workbench.
That is a good idea. Maybe I will do that. The capture card also comes into play
WoW my man 👨 it’s great video, very useful, for me and my beloved CD32 NTSC and had only s-vhs (no rgb) , I bought some years ago a indivision dvi / hdmi , I went out the old analog tv output and place on the case my dvi adaptor and it’s perfect, expensive but Only Amiiigaaaa !!
Awesome Jean! The Indivision is great!
The problem is that it has quite some lag....i bought it after i saw your review but its not usable with many games.
Oh man, sorry you aren't happy. I feel bad. I am wondering if there is variation in the manufacturing quality or if the lag varies with certain monitors. Reason being is that I don't experience lag, or if there is lag it is imperceptible to me. I am an average gamer, so I suppose a pro could feel the lag, but myself and many of my friends stream live Amiga games and use this scaler with no perceptible lag issue. However, every now and then someone mentions lag in the comments here, so I wonder if there is variation, or if you guys are pro level gamers and can feel it vs. an average gamer like myself.
@@TheGuruMeditation Well its not that i had many other options for that price lol And i can still use it but when you try to play a game like robocod,you will need to adjust to the lag to be able to jump.For slow paced games tho and adventures it will be fine.Im using this to a Sony X900f Tv.
Love the commodore amiga, just subbed!!
Thanks a lot! We have lots of new videos in the que so you will have no shortage of Amiga videos to watch! -- Bill
This device has lag of about 4-5 frames! Be aware of that if you think about buying one. Playing action games or flipper simulators is no real joy with this. Using Workbench and general applications is a little bit of pain as well, since mouse cursor movements lag as well - obviously. I researched on this topic, because I felt the lag. Watch this for some lag footage: th-cam.com/video/b3fOde0EBnY/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for bringing the XRGB Mini Framemeister to my attention. I wasn't aware of it and it looks like a superior device for sure, but please keep in mid that is costs $368 + $20.64 shipping vs the cheap upsaclers that you can get for less than $50 and free shipping. $380.64 is more than 2x I paid for my entire Amiga, and $242.34 more than the Indivision AGA MK2cr, so the thing better be perfect! We were trying to show a simple and inexpensive way to hook your Amiga up to something other than your CRT as well as compare the outputs on the 1200. I honestly haven't played games (except for Lemmings) with the $50 SCART to HDMI box in this video, but I will give it a try. I am sure it is not perfect, but for my purposes using DPaint, ADPro, Workbench, and a bunch of other applications it is totally fine. But I guess that is also personal taste. For less then $50 it serves its purpose for me, but I guess it isn't for everyone. If you have the money this Framemeister looks good. Also, I am not sure how accurate that guy's lag test is. Attempting to hit a key at a precise time leaves a LOT of space for human error. I think if this box was actually 5 frames of lag it would be utterly useless. That is a massive amount of lag. My cursor has a bit of tearing but I can't believe that it is 5 frames off. At 5 frames off I think it would be difficult just to click on an icon, which certainly isn't the case for me but perhaps this is what you are experiencing. It is also possible that the QC for these things is nonexistent so maybe I got a good one and there are some with substantial lag. But thanks for watching and commenting on the video. It is nice to know about the XRGB Framemeister and I might try it out one day when I have the extra cash but at that price I certainly would go for an Indivision card first and get the benefit of being able to run the Amiga at higher resolutions. Looks like the XRGB is better suited for someone who is also console gamer like the guy in the video. Cheers. -- Bill
Actually, Amiga hard drives are readable on PC. At least Linux has drivers for FFS.
Cool. I really have to learn Linux one day. I have been meaning to. Thanks for the comment. Cheers -- Bill
It's alive!!! after some twenty odd years my a1200 still works! it has a mtec 1230 card with 4mb on it i think external floppy purrrrfectic.
WB 3.1 disk all there and working.
Great video guys!
Going to buy this cable
Love the Amiga!
+A Bontsema Right on! Thanks for the comment and kind words. Glad you are resurrecting your 1200. Amiga4Ever!!!!!!!!!
It seems i already had the scart to rgb Amiga cable from way back , haha
+A Bontsema Get yourself a cf card full of games and that will be great for gaming.
Guys could you help me out.
I've connected the Amiga rgb /Scart and it looks awesome however I've got a black bar at the right of the screen as if the workbench isn't centered.
Workbench display is displayed correctly.
Can i fix this?
Panasonic HD TV
+A Bontsema Hummmmm, could be a setting on your TV. Are you going directly into the TV with SCART or using the SCART to HDMI converter box?
+The Guru Meditation I'm connecting directly to scart, forgot the box bit you mentioned. That's the problem i think..
TV setting aspect ratio is now 16:9 the best option except for the bar.
Thanks for the reply.
Now tinkering with 5.25 drive still can't believe it's actually working and the disks also even better than 3.5 disks...
I'm having a ball here just turned 40 , best birthday.... EVER
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Sweet! Happy birthday dude! I just turned 40 myself. Yeah, your TV is probably having trouble with a 4:3 SD image. Play with the aspect ratio settings on the TV. You may have a mode that stretches it to fill the screen which could get rid of the black bar, although you would be distorting the image. I don't care about the distortion for Productivity, but for images and games it is best not to have it, but that is personal preference. Also, your TV could have a setting to center a 4:3 image. Being that you are seeing the whole Amiga image the problem doesn't seem to be on the Amiga side, but you could experiment with different screen resolutions in Workbench. Experimenting is half the fun! Wow, good luck with the floppies. That is great news. Yeah, the Amiga 3.5" were a bit unreliable back then, and it has only gotten worse. Good luck and keep us posted. Have a great birthday. Anthony and I are actually leaving for a vintage computer holiday party right now. We will lift some egg nog in honor of your birthday and a newly restored A1200. Way to go! -- Bill
+The Guru Meditation Thanks! Have fun you guys....
Will be tinkering on and like you said experimenting is half the fun!
Greets from the Netherlands, Groningen.
Amiga4Ever
+A Bontsema I have 2 Panasonic TV's and both are centred differently with Amiga on RGB
Also... it seems in the uk that box isn't available now but I found this.. is it the same? amzn.to/1WHMayC
+Damian Brown Yes that appears to be very similar to the box we have.
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Yes, I mentioned that in the video, but here in USA we don't have SCART on or TV's or monitors. Thanks. -- Bill
I'm looking for a way to do the opposite if anyone can help me out.
I have two working Amiga 1080 monitors. I prefer running my Amiga emulators to my real ones. I'd love to be able to adapt my PC laptop to output to an Amiga 1080 monitor for an RGB signal. Anyone have any idea how to do this? It would work great not only for Amiga emulation but all retro computers with a better display than many had originally, plus arcade emulation.
I currently run my Amiga & other emulations in an arcade cabinet with a 19" open frame arcade monitor. That's great, but I'd love to be able to place the enclosed 14" 1080 monitor in my living room on my coffee table when I don't feel like going in my basement arcade.
Guys what about latency?
There seems to be a little bit (certainly haven't experienced as much as others have claimed they have), but I haven't measured it. It doesn't bother me, or effect my gameplay, but it may if you are a competitive gamer.
@@TheGuruMeditation I bought it,and indeed it has a bit of latency on my A1200,but if i remember right the system has some kind of latency by default also...I need sometime to get used to it but its fine.The only thing that i don't like so much is that it doesnt use the full screen.I wish i could fix that somehow.
Great, non-obvious (to a US viewer, anyway), solution! You guys are getting me fired up to pull my 1000 and 2000 out of mothballs.
Arthur Steinmetz Awesome Arthur! DOOO EEETTTT!
No interlace mode? whaaah
Not sure I follow the argument, and the image is horribly overcontrast with fringing, but if you want expert advice, here we go.
If you want "we get picture! wow!!" follow this. You will probably be happy until you find out it sucks and you get something else.
If you want to the best moving graphics on the screen, no flat panel will do because of the blurring whenever something moves. A late model CRT TV in your area will display a big picture best, a reference monitor like Sony BVM/PVM or Ikegami will display a small picture best.
If you insist the 12" stand of a flat panel is what you can fit and 20" depth is not a table that you can acquire ever in your lifetime, get a flat panel TV made after 2011. These have the new chips and will deinterlace S-Video decently, still with the motion graphics issue of all flat panels.
And finally, for upscalers, follow the advice of anyone here that is into Arcades or MAME and don't mind the blurred graphics. Instead of this. They will recommend a better expensive extra box to fit on your table where there is no depth left whatsoever.
End salt.
Thanks for the comment and thoughts. I am with you. I like the CRT's the best, but the point of the video was to explain the outputs on a 1200 and show people how to hook it up to a flat screen TV they likely already have. The video wasn't necessarily about getting the best image out of your Amiga. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that. Recently lots of people have been digging out their Amigas and frequently asking me how to connect it to the TV in their living room and I think this scaler is a cheap and pretty good way to do it. I also have an OSSC and it produces an amazing image. I have heard the Frameister is excellent too, but haven't tested one on my Amiga. I love those old Sony BVM and PVM's. I used to use them as reference monitors for my Sony D600 Betacm SP camera. Now my DIT brings his Flanders that was calibrated at Abel Cine Tec when I shoot Alexa or RED. Would be fun to hook the 1200 up to that! Thanks again for your comment, I appreciate the thoughtful ones like this. Cheers!
amiga rules
I've never seen anyone get a SCART connector in, first attempt
James Perrin ha ha, beginner's luck! thanks! -- Bill
Nice! Instant sub.
To one of you guys: You don't "boot" animations. :)
ChrisP872 Ha ha, very true! Sometimes I get so stressed out on camera I say silly things. It wasn't my first mistake and won't be my last. I should have had a few more beers prior to shooting! Maybe I wouldn't have said "awesome" so many times. -- Bill
The Guru Meditation I had to make this response because my brother made animations on the Amiga and used to say "boot" for loading and starting them and I used to say, "You don't boot animations" to him.
At least, I think this happened. It was so long ago it sometimes seems like it was a dream.
I just started watching the channel but I think you guys are making really great videos. It's nice to see other Amiga users in the USA. It seems the vast majority of fans are overseas.
After more than a decade I'm starting to use Amigas again and even got my A1200 back online.
ChrisP872
Thanks so much for the kind words Chris! Glad you are enjoying our videos. The positive feedback really means a lot to us. We have so many cool things planned. We use the channel as an excuse for us to take out our machines and use them again. So glad you have resurrected your A1200 too.
Yes, the Amiga was huge in Europe and that seems to be where many of the die-hards are today also. Although, in the heyday, we had about 125 members in our local user group and AMUSE, which was just 45 minutes away in NYC, had hundreds so there was a core group here too. Hopefully they will re-surface and take their Amigas out of storage too!
It just sucks that no modern LCD monitors will accept 15KHz signals, as they all should. It has nothing to do with cost or effort. "Nobody needs that" is the battle cry of the lazy.
Very true Waccoon!
Why would you copy files? I want to play on ariginal amiga...f....ck file copy
"Take that data off the machine"... through Composite Video? That's not the data you're taking off there. Copy the files over something, that would be getting data off.. through composite, you're getting off a bad representation of the animation, but in no way are you taking off the data there... This sounds stupid to me, sorry to say.