Yes, but not related to Linux or computers. I am sure the right people are going to pick it up from where Linus is going to leave it at one point. Nothing beats the collective IQ and freedom.
I'm pretty burned out by the idiotic font config systems on Linux, and why I cannot get rid of the font substitution for the astrology symbols in Pango and the Miscellaneous Symbols in Unicode. Must gtk, gnome and Pango really make the life a burning hell for a programmer?
Linus in interviews seems to spend most of his time effectively saying "look the sun came up yesterday, it came up today, and it will come up tomorrow. There might be some hiccups from time to time, but everything is going to be fine. Here have a cookie, you'll feel better."
Thank you Linus for your contribution to humanity. Linux has really changed the world and for the better. Can't imagine what terrible landscape it would be without Linux.
@@bernardcrnkovic3769 True that. He also taught us the true meaning of target vector when he banned the Russian Kernel developers... Why not all NixOS users? Those that have not been "purged" Linus style seem more openly communist than Putin ever was? He's a kid of the 20th and can't even get McCarthyism right? LOL Time marches on. Nelson Mandela was a "terrorist" at one time. I guess the pendulum swings both ways. That's as woke as I go. I can only wish him the best in retirement before he becomes a burnt out anti-hero to hold on. He's currently still a Hero to me, but that stunt really chipped the armor. ;)
Would it have been that different? Linux wasn't the only open source Unix-like around, I suspect one of the BSD flavors would have taken its position had Linus not been there. I wonder what the implications of the go-to FOSS OS being even more similar to macOS would have been. No Linus would have meant no _git_ though, and given how ubiquitous it is in open source development these days I think that would have had pretty big ramifications too. Alternatively, with GNU not having the "good enough for now" option of using Linux as the "temporary" kernel while they were working on Hurd, this could have led to increased resources dedicated to making it workable early enough to effectively fill the same role Linux did for the GNU project.
I've been using Linux as my main OS since 1992 when I needed a unix OS to run some GIS software. Haven't looked back. Thanks to Linus and all the coders who has made this possible.
Thinking about corporate sharks circling around every FOSS idea or project that is successful, and young individuals who have swallowed corporate mentality, same.
I love this guy, I really do. He could have done anything else and had it made. He's the main reason I use Linux. Integrity you don't get from anyone else.
If he doesn't have a capable successor, then he's missed his opportunity to train the next generation. The new leaders will always have less experience than the past leader. That's just how chronology works. The benefit they bring, is that they'll be around longer and they can bring in new ways of thinking.
Good luck patching it when a crazy vulnerability is found. Bugs are inherent to software. A several-million-LOC kernel is no exception. Best approach is choosing a fork.
We're already experiencing the takeover and slow destruction of various big non-kernel projects by deranged activists (Gnome, NixOS, etc.). Me thinks the same thing will happen to the kernel once Linus lets got of his reigns.
@@jfdowsley Who says that newer versions of the kernel are going to be more secure? I am actually worried for when people like Linus are gone. Its always best practice to reduce potential attack vectors regardless.
21 years with Linux. I pretty much know enough what is going on behind the black curtain. I pretty much already maintenance my own OS. So I'm really a sorta a Linux developer already. So if the regular maintainers disappear and abandon the Linux all together. I think I'll be fine manage my own. Which seems that's what I'm doing anyway right now.
You know, given the controversy of Linus' harsh comments towards people and the recent Rust stuff, I wonder if it would be prudent to create a "Be a kernel developer" kind of mentoring program. Rather than have folks contribute small stuff just to get something they want in the kernel or to be able to claim to have contributed to the Linux kernel, have a program intended to train people to work on the kernel long term. That way, you can ingrain the philosophy of kernel development in them. "Don't break user space EVER" and so on. Once the new folks get the philosophy down, maybe new technologies and development approaches can be introduced in a way that doesn't violate the established philosophy/approach to developing the Linux kernel. Just a thought. :)
@@LTPottenger What do you mean by "pay to stuff if with activists"? Existing "seasoned" kernel developers would/could be the ones doing the mentoring, so I'm not sure where you're talking about.
@@TheCocoaDaddy Exactly, they will mentor the rust loonies who are not qualified and fast track them in to take over linux. Using our money. No thanks.
I'll admit, I am one of those who are both intimidated by kernel development but also some part of me wants to participate at the same time! It seems like really fascinating work but also really difficult work to get everything you're updating working nicely with everything else with which it interfaces in the kernel lol
Well that's just the thing the more interesting something is to you more likely you are going to succeed and feel great at the same time! So definitely take the leap at some point where you feel like you could start the learning process. Just remember that we are humans and humans aren't perfrect.
I don't think it will be that bad in the long run. There may be some chaos in the beginning but in the long run it will work. Just maybe a bit differently.
Call me blackpilled, but i guarantee Linux will be completely corrupted once Linus is gone. I already can picture the Silicon Valley HR Department Hellscape the Kernel project will turn into.
I wonder if that will happen before or after multiple "national" forks. As there would likely be at least two (Russian and Chinese) if they decide that it's too hard to merge changes they need (talking about hardware, not alphabet soup).
The Big Tech bros have already started subverting the Linux and open source communities. Such projects stand out because they use a free version with bugs to then ask a very steep support fee for something with much less bugs and often also extra features. Systemd is another example, this introduced a monolithic init design which flies in the face of sense and sensibility but offers cool features. The bad part makes for the cybersecurity circus to be able to use systems shenanigans as a selling point for this or that cyber protection while jot using systemd is a safer choice.
When I and Linus started with FREAX it was supposed to be a free and open source PC desktop OS just for computer freaks/hackers to compete with M$, but soon much corporate effort went into server and embedded Linux development instead.
Still, it would be the end of an era. Linus DID shape Linux and kept it on track. Linux being everywhere now, if it goes sideways, it can have a massive impact.
Think I read somewhere that the vast majority of Linus work is just 'code / patch review' mode and that he does little developing in any case these days. Think it w as a shame Allen Cox quit as he was the sort of guy that could of stepped into head code reviewer.
He has already said something else will come along. I used other OS then Linux in KDE and Gnome offer some amazing software without paying 5k on. I am still 25 years in using these.
It seems absurd to think that his retirement would totally change the project, given how absolutely massive it is and how many people contribute. Even if you trust Linus with your life, you can't possibly expect him to be able to prevent malicious/bad content on his own.
I'm one of the guys that mocked Linus when he sent out his "famous" email in 1991. As a MINIX student fresh out of university the LAST THING I NEEDED was a doofus trying to "water out" the knowledge I had built on MINIX.
I'll study Linux from Scratch, so I can reinvent and tweak the code when I wish it to be. I have to study Linux from Scratch if the successor would be so unreliable. Or perhaps, switch to freebsd.
I think his premise is right, only one dreamer who wants to create his own os will be worthy to step in as his replacement. Although I wouldn't use replacement in this context 😅
Don’t worry about it even if he retires he will still overseer the project. Also , he already has his successor when he really retires. If you know the linux world enough you already know who it will be. Not even need to name the person lol
I hope Linux after Linus will be maintained in a non-democratic way by some wise and clever soft-dictator with super powers allowing him to do it for the next few decades. This year, after being a Linux geek since 1998 I've tested FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD. I enjoyed NetBSD the most. It felt like home, so similar to Slackware, my first love. But Linux is miles ahead, in every aspect, the OS, the drivers, the tools. But it's super cool that we have some alternatives. "Just for fun" or just in case 😊
speaking of taking Linus quotes out of context if he would have said Greg hasn't always been Greg he used to be Shannon... that would meant a whole different thing! lol
Man what is your prob? No idea has been owned by any body. Linus just entrusting the idea that he found to next generations. Just try to learn saying good bye and good rests to Linus.
The obvious successor would be Huawei's OS which is independent, free of Western 'back doors' (this actually does not matter so much). Harmony OS is supposedly being developed for the PC right now, some developers have versions running. But availability comparable to Linux seems still a long way off - but Huawei's goal seems to be to do such a service to the world. Linux will always be Linux in memory of Linus Torvalds' efforts.
Huawei is literally made company for single thing a backdoor to steal western stuff. Like many other chinese things. Like that chinese agent stealing f22 f35 stuff. Western people should never use any other than own stuff. We can use linux bc we know linus is from funland and has a backbone
It's always been "woke" because it's resistance against the norm. But I'm assuming you're talking about something like lgbt people, which is just stupid (ooo gay people so scary) because it's the mega tech companies that force control, not random people that would prefer not to be harassed (some take it too far though)
Have you experienced burnout?
Yes, but not related to Linux or computers. I am sure the right people are going to pick it up from where Linus is going to leave it at one point. Nothing beats the collective IQ and freedom.
Oh yes, but I truly worry about the Linux kernel without Linus or Greg. They are the leadership and level heads, so to speak.
I'm pretty burned out by the idiotic font config systems on Linux, and why I cannot get rid of the font substitution for the astrology symbols in Pango and the Miscellaneous Symbols in Unicode. Must gtk, gnome and Pango really make the life a burning hell for a programmer?
Yes. After working on my university project for 4 days. 🥲
For the past 6 years...
Linus in interviews seems to spend most of his time effectively saying "look the sun came up yesterday, it came up today, and it will come up tomorrow. There might be some hiccups from time to time, but everything is going to be fine. Here have a cookie, you'll feel better."
I just worry who's gonna berate big tech for trying to submit stupid shit to the kernel after Linus retires. He keeps a lot of idiotic things at bay.
@@mylesgoodwin2017 Luckily there a lot of arrogant bastards besides him in the community so I think we’ll be fine. 😉
Thank you Linus for your contribution to humanity. Linux has really changed the world and for the better. Can't imagine what terrible landscape it would be without Linux.
You may see the preview in the mobile world.
distopian. thank god for linus and his "stupidity" to have taken this huge effort of writing os from scratch.
@@bernardcrnkovic3769 True that. He also taught us the true meaning of target vector when he banned the Russian Kernel developers... Why not all NixOS users? Those that have not been "purged" Linus style seem more openly communist than Putin ever was? He's a kid of the 20th and can't even get McCarthyism right? LOL Time marches on. Nelson Mandela was a "terrorist" at one time. I guess the pendulum swings both ways. That's as woke as I go. I can only wish him the best in retirement before he becomes a burnt out anti-hero to hold on. He's currently still a Hero to me, but that stunt really chipped the armor. ;)
Would it have been that different? Linux wasn't the only open source Unix-like around, I suspect one of the BSD flavors would have taken its position had Linus not been there. I wonder what the implications of the go-to FOSS OS being even more similar to macOS would have been. No Linus would have meant no _git_ though, and given how ubiquitous it is in open source development these days I think that would have had pretty big ramifications too.
Alternatively, with GNU not having the "good enough for now" option of using Linux as the "temporary" kernel while they were working on Hurd, this could have led to increased resources dedicated to making it workable early enough to effectively fill the same role Linux did for the GNU project.
@@onceuponaban That's what I Hurd. Didn't work out that way.
I've been using Linux as my main OS since 1992 when I needed a unix OS to run some GIS software. Haven't looked back. Thanks to Linus and all the coders who has made this possible.
What is GIS? I think you meant GPS.
@@swedishpsychopath8795Geographic Information System. Like ArcView.
@@swedishpsychopath8795 geographic information
No he means GIS. You'll be shocked to discover there are things you don't know about. Probably ArcGIS which I also played with back in the 90s.
I don't want to think about Linux without Linus.
You are not alone. The successor might be lax allowing everything thereby destroying it or very strict thereby scaring off people
Same
Thinking about corporate sharks circling around every FOSS idea or project that is successful, and young individuals who have swallowed corporate mentality, same.
I hope he does though. He needs to make sure linux will work well with out him.
Linus gets to be both a bit of a dick and authoritative. I cant imagine a "successor"
I love this guy, I really do. He could have done anything else and had it made. He's the main reason I use Linux. Integrity you don't get from anyone else.
Linux without Linus is just K
If he doesn't have a capable successor, then he's missed his opportunity to train the next generation. The new leaders will always have less experience than the past leader. That's just how chronology works. The benefit they bring, is that they'll be around longer and they can bring in new ways of thinking.
Understandable. But unimaginable.
Great summary
I will simply lock my kernel version once Linus is gone.
Haha
Same thoughts
Good luck patching it when a crazy vulnerability is found. Bugs are inherent to software. A several-million-LOC kernel is no exception. Best approach is choosing a fork.
We're already experiencing the takeover and slow destruction of various big non-kernel projects by deranged activists (Gnome, NixOS, etc.). Me thinks the same thing will happen to the kernel once Linus lets got of his reigns.
@@jfdowsley Who says that newer versions of the kernel are going to be more secure? I am actually worried for when people like Linus are gone.
Its always best practice to reduce potential attack vectors regardless.
21 years with Linux. I pretty much know enough what is going on behind the black curtain. I pretty much already maintenance my own OS. So I'm really a sorta a Linux developer already. So if the regular maintainers disappear and abandon the Linux all together. I think I'll be fine manage my own. Which seems that's what I'm doing anyway right now.
You know, given the controversy of Linus' harsh comments towards people and the recent Rust stuff, I wonder if it would be prudent to create a "Be a kernel developer" kind of mentoring program. Rather than have folks contribute small stuff just to get something they want in the kernel or to be able to claim to have contributed to the Linux kernel, have a program intended to train people to work on the kernel long term. That way, you can ingrain the philosophy of kernel development in them. "Don't break user space EVER" and so on. Once the new folks get the philosophy down, maybe new technologies and development approaches can be introduced in a way that doesn't violate the established philosophy/approach to developing the Linux kernel. Just a thought. :)
All of these mentoring programs are just there to force politics into open source. And a backdoor conflict of interest to kill free speech.
And pay to stuff it with activists? No thanks.
@@JorgetePanete Thanks! I corrected my post. :)
@@LTPottenger What do you mean by "pay to stuff if with activists"? Existing "seasoned" kernel developers would/could be the ones doing the mentoring, so I'm not sure where you're talking about.
@@TheCocoaDaddy Exactly, they will mentor the rust loonies who are not qualified and fast track them in to take over linux. Using our money. No thanks.
I'll admit, I am one of those who are both intimidated by kernel development but also some part of me wants to participate at the same time! It seems like really fascinating work but also really difficult work to get everything you're updating working nicely with everything else with which it interfaces in the kernel lol
Well that's just the thing the more interesting something is to you more likely you are going to succeed and feel great at the same time! So definitely take the leap at some point where you feel like you could start the learning process. Just remember that we are humans and humans aren't perfrect.
Thanks for the clip of the interview!
I don't think it will be that bad in the long run. There may be some chaos in the beginning but in the long run it will work.
Just maybe a bit differently.
Call me blackpilled, but i guarantee Linux will be completely corrupted once Linus is gone. I already can picture the Silicon Valley HR Department Hellscape the Kernel project will turn into.
The woke mob is already trying to invade it.
It already is to a large degree.
I wonder if that will happen before or after multiple "national" forks. As there would likely be at least two (Russian and Chinese) if they decide that it's too hard to merge changes they need (talking about hardware, not alphabet soup).
The Big Tech bros have already started subverting the Linux and open source communities.
Such projects stand out because they use a free version with bugs to then ask a very steep support fee for something with much less bugs and often also extra features.
Systemd is another example, this introduced a monolithic init design which flies in the face of sense and sensibility but offers cool features.
The bad part makes for the cybersecurity circus to be able to use systems shenanigans as a selling point for this or that cyber protection while jot using systemd is a safer choice.
When I and Linus started with FREAX it was supposed to be a free and open source PC desktop OS just for computer freaks/hackers to compete with M$, but soon much corporate effort went into server and embedded Linux development instead.
Still, it would be the end of an era. Linus DID shape Linux and kept it on track. Linux being everywhere now, if it goes sideways, it can have a massive impact.
I am learning how to build customized linux kernel for single board computer and i wish someday i can help maintain a tiny portion of it!
Think I read somewhere that the vast majority of Linus work is just 'code / patch review' mode and that he does little developing in any case these days. Think it w as a shame Allen Cox quit as he was the sort of guy that could of stepped into head code reviewer.
A wise man once said - if there's a fork in the code - take it.
I remember bumping into Linus at a bar in Helsinki back in the winter of 1993!
The moment Linus retires, the death of Linux will be sealed. The Devs are childish and so heavily involved in nonsensical politics.
Just patch Linus then he can keep going forever.
He has already said something else will come along. I used other OS then Linux in KDE and Gnome offer some amazing software without paying 5k on.
I am still 25 years in using these.
It seems absurd to think that his retirement would totally change the project, given how absolutely massive it is and how many people contribute.
Even if you trust Linus with your life, you can't possibly expect him to be able to prevent malicious/bad content on his own.
And I'm somewhat happy that Oracle keeps supporting their Sun workstations.
I'm one of the guys that mocked Linus when he sent out his "famous" email in 1991. As a MINIX student fresh out of university the LAST THING I NEEDED was a doofus trying to "water out" the knowledge I had built on MINIX.
I remember the Minix-Linux discourse. Minix was an OS for students, wasn't it? Developed in The Netherlands as far as I remember.
@@elkiebeerepoot5829 Correct! And it was good!
Thanks 👍
When he leaves Linux is done.
Never forget his "one month vacation" ... it was strange and I believe that was the beginning of the end.
Protect Linus at all costs
I'll study Linux from Scratch, so I can reinvent and tweak the code when I wish it to be. I have to study Linux from Scratch if the successor would be so unreliable. Or perhaps, switch to freebsd.
Join me . I am doing a LFS based Linux distro.
It seems like there is no solution to the ravages of time. Who could have guessed?
I think his premise is right, only one dreamer who wants to create his own os will be worthy to step in as his replacement. Although I wouldn't use replacement in this context 😅
There’s always FreeBSD.
How do i run my steam games on it?
Freebsd and gaming does not go together
NetBSD, in particular.
Or OpenBSD for us old farts.
Yup stick to windows for your gaming. Or give up with gaming cos it’s a waste of time? 🤗
@@lawrencemanning commenting on TH-cam is a waste of time
I'm scared Linux without Linus
Don’t worry about it even if he retires he will still overseer the project.
Also , he already has his successor when he really retires. If you know the linux world enough you already know who it will be. Not even need to name the person lol
Technically, Linus is only one of may people who worked on it. He does care about it, that much is true. He started the project.
But in the end his tree is the official Linux kernel even if it’s not all his code.
I hope Linux after Linus will be maintained in a non-democratic way by some wise and clever soft-dictator with super powers allowing him to do it for the next few decades. This year, after being a Linux geek since 1998 I've tested FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD. I enjoyed NetBSD the most. It felt like home, so similar to Slackware, my first love. But Linux is miles ahead, in every aspect, the OS, the drivers, the tools. But it's super cool that we have some alternatives. "Just for fun" or just in case 😊
speaking of taking Linus quotes out of context if he would have said Greg hasn't always been Greg he used to be Shannon... that would meant a whole different thing! lol
It will fork and that's ok.
This scares me. Just having multiple desktops is holding it back. Multiple actually kernel trees would be devastating.
once this happens, switching from rolling to debian, i'll be running 6.5 or something
Debian Sid is a rolling release.
@@xuser48 guess i should have specified deb stable
Developers, developers, developers, devel!
Noone can work forever. If he has enough money, he can retire.
Your a tuff guy I only lasted 12 years lol
Man what is your prob? No idea has been owned by any body. Linus just entrusting the idea that he found to next generations. Just try to learn saying good bye and good rests to Linus.
I think the Linux kernel will be sold in the end to big companies like Autodesk, Microsoft or Google.
RIP Linux 🪦💐🐧
😮
RUST? Oh wow. COBOL!
The obvious successor would be Huawei's OS which is independent, free of Western 'back doors' (this actually does not matter so much). Harmony OS is supposedly being developed for the PC right now, some developers have versions running. But availability comparable to Linux seems still a long way off - but Huawei's goal seems to be to do such a service to the world. Linux will always be Linux in memory of Linus Torvalds' efforts.
Huawei is literally made company for single thing a backdoor to steal western stuff. Like many other chinese things. Like that chinese agent stealing f22 f35 stuff.
Western people should never use any other than own stuff. We can use linux bc we know linus is from funland and has a backbone
Open source has become woke. When he leaves, Linux is so screwed.
open source is not woke.
the woke people are loud, making it seem like they are alot
It's always been "woke" because it's resistance against the norm. But I'm assuming you're talking about something like lgbt people, which is just stupid (ooo gay people so scary) because it's the mega tech companies that force control, not random people that would prefer not to be harassed (some take it too far though)
It's become what now? That doesn't even make sense. What does it mean to become "woke"? 😂
@@kapser2210 renaming master slave terms as a little example.
@@kapser2210 look in the mirror.
Linus Sebastian best programmer
😂
😂😂😂, 🤪🔫
Just use windows
Windows is a great piece of software. But I don't like the wat microsoft is handling it
Microsoft will take it over.
You mean those zealots from Rust has bothered him a lot ?
windows rules \m/
only if we like the idea of somebody eavesdropping on our lives all the time.
Never...
🥱
A Rust zealot should be ok.