I am considering getting into the rebreather world, tech deco diver here focusing on wreck dives at depths around 40m. Fellow divers say to me why to invest in the Horizon and not spend a bit extra and get a CCR like AP evo. Whilst I see the benefits of CCR I am not convinced that I need a CCR instead of the Horizon. Also I think the Horizon is more fail safe (except lack of CO2 sensor) because of the bleed valve providing constant nitrox. Would be great to hear your expert views
He is wrong about the old days on rebreathers and no checklists available but then again he is such new diver. I also doubt he has much ecperience on different active SCR rebreathers since the biggest difference is that they will constantly fill op the breathing look until the overfill of the loop will push out of the overpressure bag and this will constantly make you feel you are force fed the breathing gas making your cheeks look like a chipmunk and feels very uncomfortable. Active rebreathers mostly were calculated to provide oxygen enough for a person running a marathon. So i actually met and talked with this with the designed of the Dolphin and if you would breath down the loop it would be the diver choosing the wrong nitrox mass flow nozzle and is impossible to breath down the loop is diving according to dräger manual. The Horizon rebreather will only be SCR in fail mode to and is not really a SCR in that term it is basically a old Revo with new more electronic control and a fail mode going into constant mass flow semiclosed rebreather. Tjis new rebreather changes nothing from the fact that rebreatherdiving wil never be for everyone and never as easy as turning on your scuba tank and never as money efficient.
Fredrik Astlid many thanks for your comment and I believe it will be rich discussion of you may open the subject with the guest and he have the chance to reply back.
I be thinking to buy one but the price is not justify the benefits, 5000€ for deco version is unacceptable. I do a fast research and this are results 1. 2 regulators, mares XR, 400€ 2. wing + harness +plates, Mares 300€ 3. dive computer, Mares, top, 800 € All price are roundup . A totally of 1500€ , lets put another 500€ for some upgrades of plate, etc so we have 2000€. 3000€ remains only for “the box”. Besides this you need to buy stages if you don’t want to disassemble “twin” or you already have it from side mount configuration…. Ok, i understand, we need to pay for design and innovation but …3000€… Training is also almost the same price like MOD1 for CCR…c’:mon man, this is ridiculous. Now, you can buy a Poseidon, sport edition, for recreational dive with same price and can upgrade to tec version if you decide.
I am considering getting into the rebreather world, tech deco diver here focusing on wreck dives at depths around 40m. Fellow divers say to me why to invest in the Horizon and not spend a bit extra and get a CCR like AP evo. Whilst I see the benefits of CCR I am not convinced that I need a CCR instead of the Horizon. Also I think the Horizon is more fail safe (except lack of CO2 sensor) because of the bleed valve providing constant nitrox. Would be great to hear your expert views
He is wrong about the old days on rebreathers and no checklists available but then again he is such new diver. I also doubt he has much ecperience on different active SCR rebreathers since the biggest difference is that they will constantly fill op the breathing look until the overfill of the loop will push out of the overpressure bag and this will constantly make you feel you are force fed the breathing gas making your cheeks look like a chipmunk and feels very uncomfortable. Active rebreathers mostly were calculated to provide oxygen enough for a person running a marathon. So i actually met and talked with this with the designed of the Dolphin and if you would breath down the loop it would be the diver choosing the wrong nitrox mass flow nozzle and is impossible to breath down the loop is diving according to dräger manual.
The Horizon rebreather will only be SCR in fail mode to and is not really a SCR in that term it is basically a old Revo with new more electronic control and a fail mode going into constant mass flow semiclosed rebreather. Tjis new rebreather changes nothing from the fact that rebreatherdiving wil never be for everyone and never as easy as turning on your scuba tank and never as money efficient.
Fredrik Astlid many thanks for your comment and I believe it will be rich discussion of you may open the subject with the guest and he have the chance to reply back.
I be thinking to buy one but the price is not justify the benefits, 5000€ for deco version is unacceptable. I do a fast research and this are results
1. 2 regulators, mares XR, 400€
2. wing + harness +plates, Mares 300€
3. dive computer, Mares, top, 800 €
All price are roundup .
A totally of 1500€ , lets put another 500€ for some upgrades of plate, etc so we have 2000€.
3000€ remains only for “the box”.
Besides this you need to buy stages if you don’t want to disassemble “twin” or you already have it from side mount configuration….
Ok, i understand, we need to pay for design and innovation but …3000€…
Training is also almost the same price like MOD1 for CCR…c’:mon man, this is ridiculous.
Now, you can buy a Poseidon, sport edition, for recreational dive with same price and can upgrade to tec version if you decide.