Question: Why would we bother going into Mexico to smash targets when the Cartels have their tentacles in EVERY major city in the United States? Shouldn't we probably crack down hardcore on the drug trade on this side of the border before going to Mexico and stirring shut up over there?
@@joshuahagen2961Yep. Many make money off if them and many citizens are afraid of being prosecuted so they let it go. Put a bounty regardless of the condition on the members. Local areas would do some house cleaning.
When I became an Army Ranger in 1989, most of the training missions we did had drug labs in them. We were getting ready to go down to Columbia because cocaine was everywhere in The US at that time. Then Sadaam invaded Kuwait and that shifted the focus. Its not like we havnt thought about this before. Now that I am older, this problem of drugs in our culture does not have a military solution. Why do so many people choose to mess their lives on drugs? I also retired from the Dept of Corrections in California and I can tell you for sure that the Mexican Mafia has its fingers in everything in this state. They operate quietly under the radar for the most part but they are there.
Right, they get rid of drugs and Mexico will fail as a country, as that country is very poor in many areas. Plus what President would allow the US military to operate within their country, with impunity haha? Americans think normal Mexicans won't fight back once their Cartel family members start getting killed? Plus many parts of Mexico is the forest or hill country, you don't think Mexicans know that area like the back of their hands? Americans love drugs, that's very clear, the War on Drugs is, and always has been, a waste of money.
As long as Americans enjoy their drugs, the war on drugs will be a losing battle. Cartels are like corporations giving people exactly what they want just in a more extreme methodology.
My sister, with two children, died alone in her car from a fentanyl overdose. She wasn't a drug addict, she was a young women who lived her life with chronic pain from lupus. Her colleague gave her a pill she thought was a pain killer after work. I wore the uniform more than 40 years ago when I was a young paratrooper. Send me -
Sounds like you should go after the people who go killed your sister by giving her pills. Not go across the boarder to go die for some thing that won’t even make a difference of the complexity of the drugs. There’s corruption on both sides not only on the Mexican side but also on the American side. They both get profit from it this buisness. Follow the money.
Experts say there are roughly 175,000 people working for the cartels in Mexico. This isn't some small time Miami drug kingpin we are talking about here. You're not going to be able to defeat that many people with a few thousand special operations guys. I don't care how badass they are.
Before resorting to military action in Mexico, maybe start dealing with the lawmakers on our side of the border who are responsible for the immigration crisis.
@@erickapler4707calm down tony soprano. That's not what he is saying. He is saying: think before you act. Also keep in mind that as of 2023 Mexico is our (the US) #1 trading partner. Just to keep that in perspective, in terms of trade, our future president wants to start a trade war with China (another top 5 trading partner with the US) while waging war with the cartels on the border of and inside of our largest, most signficant, trading partner. And while all of this is happening Trump wants to deport the entire unskilled labor pool inside the US. If you didnt like the price increases you felt due to inflation post covid you are in for a very rude awkening.
My concern would be that a large enough percent of the population is on lets say the fringes of all the cartels that once you start this, are you fighting 1/3 of the entire population of Mexico? Another endless war?
The Sheriff of Baghdad brought up a shocking point in all this. He stated that he thought the element of surprise would be gone, since it’s his belief that officials are compromised not only in Mexico but the US as well !! That’s insane. He made this point on Rogan.
I think the government needs to first look at this with the Mexican government and strategize carefully before enacting a course of action. But if every state will go after the cartels equally and root out the problem up here first, then act nationwide the course of action can be set in a way that does not start a never ending war that drags on like so many conflicts we've gotten into in the past that dragged on and on with nothing resolved. The entire thing must be handled carefully both diplomatically and militarily to lessen the impact on our citizenship and the people directly in the line of fire. You're totally correct in your estimation of the problems that could arise. I was an analyst for 14 yrs for a 3 letter agency. I don't say any of this lightly. 5 stars guys! You're really on top of this!
Yeah you were just an analyst. And you weren’t doing any analyzing on Mexico or cartels. Especially since neither of them have been declared an ITO or state-sponsor. They have and will continue to do extreme things to destroy us. We need to do the same. This country is in its current state because of weakness. Hopefully Trump can fix some of that.
The Mexican Government??????? Please say your were joking on that one...... The Mexican Government and 9 /10ths of their intelligence is corrupt..........in some way or form , every single last one of them in any position of power is corrupt.........or they would be muertos....and you know it....... There is no organizing or joint operations with Mexico on this one...... Example.....When the Mexican Army or Police take out any one Cartel or Cartel Cell and televise it, that means one of or all of the other Cartels paid into the pool to have that particular target taken out........and their territory absorbed right into the others operations......... There is no cooperation with the Mexican Government if this happens.........none. Also, if we do get the green light, there should be no Cartel prisoners or deals made.......period. IMO.....
I commented something similar but didn't put it near as eloquently. Decided to leave it to experts. But I know nothing formal of diplomacy or international relations and still can see that all out military action is probably not a good solution. Get rid of the problem at home and go from there.
@@txchick1111 did you just have my comment deleted???? That would mean you do not think the Mexican Government is corrupt................................ And that a cooperation of anykind would be successful taking down the Cartels once and for all...... Interesting.....
Keep in mind; if they designate the cartel as a terrorist organization, the asylum claims would be valid. The refugees would be fleeing by definition, which is why they did not designate them for a long time.
Geopolitical is an understatement. China knows what they are doing. But so does the US, which could be the reason why they let people enter illegally. Because after they are deported they will not be able to gain re entry. 4D 5D chess so to speak.
The corruption is on both sides of the border. Our own politicians and NGOs benefit from the “trades” (not exclusive to the drugs, fentanyl included). The first question that has to be cleared and without exclusion or doubt: does the US have the will (political, military, and social) to effect such a policy and actions (war). Next is does the US have the will to execute the ROEs necessary to effect and win the decisions. I’ve always felt the result of diplomatic and political failure is war. However, as we have learned in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan when the “dogs of war” are sent with unrealistic restrictions (leashes), failure follows, no matter how much technology is integrated. The only acceptable result of any war is unconditional surrender, or is simpler terms victory. Otherwise the cost far exceeds the effort regardless of justification. While the rules of war (or international laws) are often cited as how to conduct war; they are useless, as we have proven in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Marshall, Halsey, Mitchell, Spatz, Eisenhower, LeMay knew what they were doing, maybe we should relearn what they knew.
The power vacuum being CJNG gunning for control as Sinaloa and others ascend into chaos and rivalry. Its happening already, what happens next is a crap shoot.
It would also create a humanitarian crisis as residents of northern Mexico flood across the US/ Mexico border to escape the fighting and cruise missile/ drone attacks. In many places the cartels are the acting government and provide civil services. The violence could cause people to flood the border.
well you send a message, when have we ever sent a huge message to mexico? We sent one back in the day to teach the cartel and they never touched a american for years.
I am still “out” on this topic but one thing I can say to this comment is this: if the cartels are gone there are only two entities who can fill in the void. Mexican Government or the US Government. But again thats a big, huge, massive “if this happens,” with all the implications and variables that come with said statement.
@@klawockkidd3426 phrama companies can be regulated and taxed and can settle their disputes in court. Cartels cant be regulated or taxed and settle their disputes with violence. Treating drugs like a medical and mental health issue instead of a criminal issue reduces addiction rates, crime rates, incarceration rates, ODs, and generally save tons of taxpayer money.
@@klawockkidd3426 Prohibition DOESNT WORK. It just builds mafias and cartels. Thats historical fact. Pharma companies can be regulated and taxed and settle disputes in court. Cartels cant be and they settle disputes with violence. Treating drug use as medical and mental health issue instead of criminal issue reduces addiction rates, crime rates, incarceration rates, ODs and just generally saves tons of taxpayer dollars.
Because they dont want to hear it. They see it through a lens of moral judgment rather than a lens of simple cause and effect. From that perspective it isnt the deaths or the crimes or broken families that are the problem, its the moral evil of the drugs themselves. Oddly, they dont feel that way about alcohol or tobacco or prescription meds.
@@MP-db9swI see this glaringly in the many people I know addicted to Adderall but decry street meth as dirty. People are pretentious moralist hypocrites by nature. This is why this will never happen
@@chachis-censored. What’s being explained here as it’s foolish to start. Because once you open this can of worms, we will never be able to close it, and it will only become a worse problem than it currently is now. A materialistic operation will not solve this problem.
Cartels have leverage on people in every level of the American system. They would be tipped off or just start a war that we would lose in the long run..
How do you know this? Are you making a statement that you know is based on facts? Has the cartel listed for you all the people they have in their pocket? What a silly statement to make
Its basic capitalism. People want drugs and the profits are astronomical. The Drug War doesnt stop drugs, it feeds cartels just like Prohibition fed the Mob. Cartels will just become the next proxy between USA and maybe Canada or UK on one side and Russia and China on the other. Except in this war we're facing an enemy that already has millions of soldiers and many millions of customers aka agents inside our borders.
@@mogged1181 we know Hunter Biden does drugs. Pretty undeniable that Mat Gaetz does drugs. Theres journalism on SF and SO soldiers who do drugs. Construction workers, lawyers, truck drivers, suburbanites and trailer parkers, CEOs, on and on. The first part of the comment is just an objective fact: drug use exists at every level of our society. As for the war being unwinnable, we've been fighting _and losing_ the Drug war for decades, already. One of the biggest current cartels is the CJNG. If you look into them, not only have they expanded into a variety of other economic domains (like food production) but they were trained by Army Special Forces, including Delta, apparently. So we'd be fighting an incredibly well funded and well trained enemy who already has millions of soldiers and many millions of potential assets (users and their immediate families) scattered around every level of our economic, political, and civil infrastructure.
@@mogged1181 we know Hunter does drugs. Its pretty undeniable Mat Gaetz does. Theres journalism on use in SO and SF communities. Truck drivers, construction workers, lawyers, the entertainment industry is an obvious one. From trailer parks to the suburbs to Ivy League universities, its just an objective fact that use has permeated every level of our economic, political, civil and intellectual domains. As for winning or losing, we've been fighting _and losing_ the Drug War for decades, already. The latest big player (enemy) just in terms of Mexican cartels was trained by Delta and has expanded its enterprise into numerous other domains, like food production and even real estate. So we would be facing an incredibly well funded enemy who is highly trained and already has many millions of operatives and potential assets imbedded into every level of our infrastructure.
Thank you for a thoughtful discussion on downstream effects. It seems if demand remains constant, and the supply apparatus still exists from a macro perspective level, nothing will change. Corollary to the above, presumably Xi, Putin, et al, already arm and train many of these groups.
Because the government is involved blue and red people at the top, messiah or no messiah. Is all about the $$ for the top people. It is not to give the normal taxpayer a better life. As of 2023 21.9% of the population from age 12 and over use illicit drugs, that is basically 1 out of 5 people you see every day.
The lawyers love being paid in cash. Politicians are mainly ex-lawyers. Ninety percent of prison inmates are on drugs, so take drugs away and the private prison system would also go broke. Drug rehab centers would be gone. Doctors would lose work.Pharmaceutical companies U.S. Customs would have to sack 80% of their staff. Companies that supply drug detection equipment would be gone. Law enforcement equipment suppliers would lose business. The DEA would have to cut most of their employees.The Government would not earn money from the billions of dollars of illegal cash and assets the seize every year. The drug trade gives legitimate work to millions of Americans and American companies. The war on drugs is 1 big money spinner.
"Top-Down", coupled with "Bottom-up" works phenomenally, in just about any winning strategy. Not only does it work in warfare, historically, but it works in business too. Utilizing full-scale, conventional AND unconventional warfare, coupled with military intelligence and SecOps and Marines, with Army support and the other branches, is extremely devastating. It worked in just 3 weeks vs. ISIS at its strongest, which were 100s of thousands strong and funded by billions. THAT was overseas. Just do it like we do in high-level, massive dollar sales: "Suround and Pound", or "Swarm". You go after the top, while simultaneously going after the leaders at all levels; especially the leaders most particular to the infrastructure and logistics. Glover is talking about the failures seen in the old Afghan and Iraq wars. I get it, but those were also led by corrupt admins and their money-grubbing, bureaucracies. Again, Trump proved against ISIS, that without gov't nonsense in the way, the modern US Military, when not impeded by bureaucracy and corruption, is the deadliest and most swift and devastating force ever seen by mankind in world history. Is there a threat here, stateside? Sure. However, it should also be very much understood by Glover that if coordinated well with LOE and states and communities stateside, the backlash here would be heavily mitigated. One last factor that Glover should also realize, is that America is armed with more than 400 million+ firearms, by nearly 100 million citizens. That is HALF of the privately owned firearms in the world, by a nation that only accounts for 5% of the world's population! I know it was over 80 years ago, but Admiral Yamamoto of Japan cautioned strongly against attacking the US mainland during WW2, for the very same reason. It couldn't be more true today, however.
It sounds like a great idea in theory!! But as long as you have demand for the product all you're doing is creating more violence and higher prices for the product. We learned this throughout alcohol prohibition, and we know how that turned out💀💀💀
Oh by the way…The US SOF have been training these South Americans/Cartels since the 80s Just like we trained the Mujahideen in the 70s-80s against the Soviets Just like we trained Sadaam Hussein and his troops also in the 80s And through all that what did we win…🤔0️⃣🤷🏾♂️
Come Mr. Kelechia give a rest, we trained the Mujahideen in the 70's and 80's to fight the Russians who were the aggressors in Afghanistan, so how in the heck were we supposed to know that the Mujahideen were going to evolve into our enemies 20 plus years later, unless we had a "crystal ball!" The same applies for the other groups as well. Regards, Denis Berte' USMC (Nam 70-71).
@@MP-db9swWrong, when it comes to warfare and military ops. , making a move is better than just sitting there waiting for your opponent too. Usually by then it’s too late.
@@Paladin.Brandis Idk man, convincing me that Invading Vietnam or more recently, Iraq worked out better for our country (or the world) than not invading them would have is... probably a hard sell. But please, convince me if you can.
Just say no? The cocaine business is bigger in 2024,than when I was a commissioned officer in the U.S. Army S.F.,in 1981. I've been all over Central and South America,and this has only gained in proportion. Mexico is merely the last leg of the journey into the U.S..
Ridiculous take. Ain’t no small time cartel guys on this side of the border going to risk life in prison to create chaos. These are small time thugs, they would stand down and fracture quickly if they were declared terroist.
@@JR7600 so you think if we started routing out the Cartels In Mexico we would have all out chaos In the United States, with a bunch of Isis level trained small time guys here in the US blowing everything thing up and invading our neighborhoods and city’s just because Chapo gives them a call telling them they will get $1Million if they do so??? Yeah they are in deep, but most of them know that their own cartels are corrupt and would probably not even be able to get them half of what $$ they are promised to create a big enough terror to make any difference. I think you watch to many cartel docs brotha. 🤣
Do you guys think that using Spec Ops against cartels could draw the US into an unintended situation like Israel - Gaza, of a decades long back and forth tit for tat strikes on both sides of the border???
No, not at all, because the cartels are a criminal organization that neither the US, nor the Mexican government, support their existence. The US and Mexican population as a whole are also in agreement that the cartel should not be this big and powerful and should be taken down. Plus, we're both democratic countries with similar religions, and we both trade extensively. No matter how you look at it, we, generally speaking, are friendly with one another, and we both hate the cartel. Now, all it's going to take is the willingness and determination from both the Mexicans, and the Americans, to cooperate with each other in order to take action against the criminal organizations of the cartel. Nothing more, and nothing less.
There is a lot more. To win we would have to fight to win. That means getting nasty, which we did in WW2. They say Israel is doing Genocide, what does one think the Allies did in WW2? We bombed cities and the corresponding areas into rubble and ashes. It isnt told much but what we did to Dresden is worse than Hiroshima. The cartels arent going to follow any convention rules, so it will get very ugly. What very few think about is all our electric substations are unprotected easy targets. It would not take a whole lot to make things ugly here in the USA real quick. The citizens of the countries would have to be on board and realize what we would be getting into. Everyone would have to be armed and have to be ready to use it.
1. don’t compare Israel’s capabilities to the US 2. Our veterans could do the job themselves, there’s millions of veterans fit for duty. 3. None of my cholo friends are dumb enough to throw away their lives because Jefe Jalisco sauce said to be his sleeper agents and cause chaos.
A bunch of morons doing drugs is chaos? Where was all this concern back in the 80s when it was crack? Oh wait, that's right the users looked different.
So what’s your grand plan then Army boy? Sit here and let them smuggle more fentanyl and terrorists into our country? As a US.Marine this video made me cringe so hard.
Exactly, there would instantly be Cartel Terrorists cells in every state in America conducting Ops against citizens and infrastructure. Local LEO isn't prepared to deal with this. Sheepdog veterans would act but organization would take too long.
Why not if the US is going after them? Getting busted by Mexican police or US border patrol is just the price of doing business. Getting raided by JSOC or having your house hit by US cruise missiles is something else.
They’ve had SF and SEALs train them but no one from DEVGRU or Delta has worked for them before. They keep track of you when you leave those units. If you went down there the FBI/DEA would wrap you up once you got back stateside.
This is exactly where my mind went when I first heard the idea of taking military action against cartels. Yes, I do believe something desperately needs to be done, but make no mistake about how this could potentially turn out. Their tactics would be far different from the type of military action that is typically shaped by politics where the support of the masses is the end goal. Their desperation would exponentially increase their brutality. Imagine American politicians and prominent business leaders & decision makers' bodies hanging from bridges, full scale marshal law, curfews, disruption to commerce, people terrified to go to public places out of fear of indiscriminate public shootings, etc.. These people have no sense of morality to prevent them from engaging in the most heinous acts you can imagine. Lets face it, guerrilla style warfare against people dressed as civilians is not what our military excels at. Think about the internment camps that were created for Japanese-Americans during WW2. That would be the level of discrimination we could see again if things get bad enough.
The discussion of cartels as "clean targets" is what I'm focused on. The cartels are, in my understanding, integrated pretty tightly in the general population and with the support of that population. WIth that in mind, I can imagine some targets as clean (labs, distribution hubs, etc) where the only damage and casualties will be cartel property and operatives. But to think that will do anything more than irritate and inconvenience the cartels writ large is, I think, blindly optimistic. To that end it seems the military option is NOT a complete solution, not even close. Andy addresses it a bit at the end. Military action would definitely give a hoo-yah feeling for a short while but will probably ultimately be ineffective alone.
I'm just a good old boy American but my thought is if we concrete on stopping it here 1st and then you on the defensive here before we go on the offensive is a fundamental start before going into battle with our neighbors is better because we get to stand back to see what the reaction is and then draw up a plan.
Yes... we should just protect what crosses into our border and what's happening here in the US. Let Mexico handle their own country. Evidently, they like what happens there or they would ask for our help. We should handle what happens in our own country within our borders.
All they'd have to do is fluctuate the flow of drugs and the amount of chaos that would happen throughout all of North America would be astronomical. Imagine every addict dope sick for a couple days and then when the market gets flooded again all the overdoses.
@@270Remi most people in these comments dont care. They dont use and believe no one they care about uses. To them its just a bunch of people who dont matter, anyway. Fact I bet a lot of these folks think it would be a good thing.
@ I was just looking at the amount of strain on the system that it would cause, not even the personal side of it all. Even during the Rona lockdowns liquor stores were open to prevent alcoholics from detoxing and bogging down the healthcare system in mass.
@@270Remi not only the clog that it would put on everything related to first response but what if the orders came down for people to say "hey, no one else can get anything but if you do X or Y little job for me, I'll make sure youre taken care of" ? I wont comment specific ideas of what addicts could be tasked to do but I'll say that hurting people will do most anything to stop hurting. If little as 5 percent of the addicts in every city were given "assignments" it could be...well it could be really bad lol
Imagine the cartels doing to our govt what they’ve done to the Mexican govt. I’d be worried about them already having intel on the powers of the US’s families. That’s a whole different animal right there. They don’t have the numbers but they sure have the ruthlessness and are driven by fear. I doubt they would beat us. It’s certainly something to think about though.
You act like Mexicos neighbor isn’t the country where you can simply buy guns at Walmart, a country that specializes in covert and guerrilla warfare and is the most advanced country in the world. Good luck
Would the US become more at risk of terror attacks if we went to war with cartels? Cartels are already operating on this side of the border and if we took the fight to them I feel they might have their people start committing some major terror attacks throughout the US.
@@InfamousAustinT0 they would. Theres about 8 million people addicted to illegal drugs in this country. Thats not counting the cartel members, themselves. Just the legions of addicts at their disposal.
Without extreme cooperation with the mexican government or an occupation, it's virtually impossible. These leaders and groups have been targeted countless times, and each time they come back while simultaneously causing extreme violence
@@ralphholiman7401 idk, impoverished, uneducated, half starved goat herders in Afghanistan put two separate empires through hell. These cartels have unlimited funds, much of the same technology as us, connections and minions all over the world (including here in USA) and some of them were trained by some of our best guys. I dont think itll be as easy as your comment suggests.
@@ralphholiman7401 LMAO cause the Mexican people and Mexican Government are just going to stand still while a foreign army invades. You got alot of Hollywood movie logic 😂
If you're saying it's a bad idea then what's the solution because we now have Cartel members who have set up shop as far in as Montana. We really only have two options, fight or do nothing. Regards, Denis Berte' USMC (Nam 70-71)
So calling the cartels s terrorist organization gives the DOD the authority to do what they want in another country? Does that mean that Mexico won't care that foreign forces invade their land?
If politicians don’t get in the way the problem can be solved. These senior NCO’s who won’t do as ordered when recalled~strip their retirements and give them BCD status.
Why? Nobody is just gonna sacrifice their lives for the Cartel that’s being threatened with a Terrorist watchlist. You act like Mexican Americans aren’t armed patriots.
I don't get the idea that the cartel members would seriously fight against the big guys. They are not unified and have no universal support. The freedom to deal drugs and terrorize the public is not a very unifying cause imo. Low trust societies are historically not the best soldiers on the battlefield.
The biggest cartel in Mexico is the government. Go listen to the IronClad Borderland podcast labeled the violent aftermath of Sinola Cartel arrest of El Mayo. This isn't an easy task, as many think.
I don't hear a lot of people mention that the comparison between the Taliban/AQ etc with the MDC isn't really valid in the sense that the will to fight back isn't driven by the same motives. The religious radicalization is quite a powerful factor in the picture.
CIA and the Cartel are a couple, in my personal opinion.
If they don't write a game plan for that other C player, they gonna lose big time.
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And DEA , US must do their own home work and stop being hipócritas and stop pretending that there are the only victims.
How so?
Cartel In Area 🫡
Question: Why would we bother going into Mexico to smash targets when the Cartels have their tentacles in EVERY major city in the United States? Shouldn't we probably crack down hardcore on the drug trade on this side of the border before going to Mexico and stirring shut up over there?
I definitely agree with you and shut the border completely and all Avenue of escape .
When you hunt octopus, do you go after the suction cups on the tentacles first?
Bring it on BCHES😂😂😂
They're all over the rural areas too. You just don't hear about it because there's no gangs pushing back on them out in the sticks.
@@joshuahagen2961Yep. Many make money off if them and many citizens are afraid of being prosecuted so they let it go. Put a bounty regardless of the condition on the members. Local areas would do some house cleaning.
When I became an Army Ranger in 1989, most of the training missions we did had drug labs in them. We were getting ready to go down to Columbia because cocaine was everywhere in The US at that time. Then Sadaam invaded Kuwait and that shifted the focus. Its not like we havnt thought about this before. Now that I am older, this problem of drugs in our culture does not have a military solution. Why do so many people choose to mess their lives on drugs? I also retired from the Dept of Corrections in California and I can tell you for sure that the Mexican Mafia has its fingers in everything in this state. They operate quietly under the radar for the most part but they are there.
Common sense has entered the chat. 😮
Right, they get rid of drugs and Mexico will fail as a country, as that country is very poor in many areas. Plus what President would allow the US military to operate within their country, with impunity haha? Americans think normal Mexicans won't fight back once their Cartel family members start getting killed? Plus many parts of Mexico is the forest or hill country, you don't think Mexicans know that area like the back of their hands? Americans love drugs, that's very clear, the War on Drugs is, and always has been, a waste of money.
So what would be a solution in your opinion?
As long as Americans enjoy their drugs, the war on drugs will be a losing battle. Cartels are like corporations giving people exactly what they want just in a more extreme methodology.
@@LZ69P pretty much...but a war on drugs will make people feel tough.
My sister, with two children, died alone in her car from a fentanyl overdose. She wasn't a drug addict, she was a young women who lived her life with chronic pain from lupus. Her colleague gave her a pill she thought was a pain killer after work. I wore the uniform more than 40 years ago when I was a young paratrooper. Send me -
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Exactly.
Accepting random pain killers makes you a drug addict
Sounds like you should go after the people who go killed your sister by giving her pills. Not go across the boarder to go die for some thing that won’t even make a difference of the complexity of the drugs. There’s corruption on both sides not only on the Mexican side but also on the American side. They both get profit from it this buisness. Follow the money.
🤔 so the colleague who takes those pills hasn't died from that fentanyl but yet the sister takes one......... Is the colleague a fentanyl dealer?
Experts say there are roughly 175,000 people working for the cartels in Mexico. This isn't some small time Miami drug kingpin we are talking about here. You're not going to be able to defeat that many people with a few thousand special operations guys. I don't care how badass they are.
These imbeciles really can't comprehend this. Very sad to see this happening 😅😅😅😅😅
@@cartesian_doubt6230 I think theyre estimated to be like the fifth largest employer in the country. Thats a big network.
Lmaoo there’s a lot more than 175,000 bud 😂
@@JR7600 You working for them?
Try a million strong
Before resorting to military action in Mexico, maybe start dealing with the lawmakers on our side of the border who are responsible for the immigration crisis.
This ^ is the most logical and reasoned post in the comments
We deal with law makers by having elections. It’s up to the politicians who win elections to stop campaigning and start governing.
@@terrarecon😂
Well, a lot of them are already dead since the border hasn’t been secured in over 40 years. It’s not a recent issue.
Well, a lot of them are already dead since the border hasn’t been secured in over 40 years. It’s not a recent issue.
Don’t start a war without having regard for ‘The Law Of Unintended Consequences’. It’ll spiral off in ways we haven’t anticipated.
@@erickapler4707calm down tony soprano. That's not what he is saying. He is saying: think before you act. Also keep in mind that as of 2023 Mexico is our (the US) #1 trading partner. Just to keep that in perspective, in terms of trade, our future president wants to start a trade war with China (another top 5 trading partner with the US) while waging war with the cartels on the border of and inside of our largest, most signficant, trading partner. And while all of this is happening Trump wants to deport the entire unskilled labor pool inside the US. If you didnt like the price increases you felt due to inflation post covid you are in for a very rude awkening.
My concern would be that a large enough percent of the population is on lets say the fringes of all the cartels that once you start this, are you fighting 1/3 of the entire population of Mexico? Another endless war?
Restoring my faith in the comment section.
That's called, "chaos", and it is ENTIRELY anticipated. You need to go and read something more salient: It's called Animal Farm and 1984.
@@tedfernyhough3759 Americans dont learn lessons lol sad but true.
We get dirty and the world stays clean. That's the mission. - Captain John Price, SAS
B's the country is nation of addicts by design the same people who declared war on drugs are the ones who got country hooked
So awesome to see you back Mike and taking numbers. I know you have been threw some serious shit... We are behind you 100%. Cheers
The Sheriff of Baghdad brought up a shocking point in all this. He stated that he thought the element of surprise would be gone, since it’s his belief that officials are compromised not only in Mexico but the US as well !! That’s insane. He made this point on Rogan.
Exactly the country doesn't become nation of junkies overnight by mistake
I think the government needs to first look at this with the Mexican government and strategize carefully before enacting a course of action. But if every state will go after the cartels equally and root out the problem up here first, then act nationwide the course of action can be set in a way that does not start a never ending war that drags on like so many conflicts we've gotten into in the past that dragged on and on with nothing resolved.
The entire thing must be handled carefully both diplomatically and militarily to lessen the impact on our citizenship and the people directly in the line of fire.
You're totally correct in your estimation of the problems that could arise.
I was an analyst for 14 yrs for a 3 letter agency. I don't say any of this lightly. 5 stars guys! You're really on top of this!
Yeah you were just an analyst. And you weren’t doing any analyzing on Mexico or cartels. Especially since neither of them have been declared an ITO or state-sponsor. They have and will continue to do extreme things to destroy us. We need to do the same. This country is in its current state because of weakness. Hopefully Trump can fix some of that.
The Mexican Government???????
Please say your were joking on that one......
The Mexican Government and 9 /10ths of their intelligence is corrupt..........in some way or form , every single last one of them in any position of power is corrupt.........or they would be muertos....and you know it.......
There is no organizing or joint operations with Mexico on this one......
Example.....When the Mexican Army or Police take out any one Cartel or Cartel Cell and televise it, that means one of or all of the other Cartels paid into the pool to have that particular target taken out........and their territory absorbed right into the others operations.........
There is no cooperation with the Mexican Government if this happens.........none.
Also, if we do get the green light, there should be no Cartel prisoners or deals made.......period.
IMO.....
I commented something similar but didn't put it near as eloquently. Decided to leave it to experts. But I know nothing formal of diplomacy or international relations and still can see that all out military action is probably not a good solution. Get rid of the problem at home and go from there.
I’m glad we have people like you. Thank you.
@@txchick1111 did you just have my comment deleted????
That would mean you do not think the Mexican Government is corrupt................................
And that a cooperation of anykind would be successful taking down the Cartels once and for all......
Interesting.....
Keep in mind; if they designate the cartel as a terrorist organization, the asylum claims would be valid. The refugees would be fleeing by definition, which is why they did not designate them for a long time.
Geopolitical is an understatement. China knows what they are doing. But so does the US, which could be the reason why they let people enter illegally. Because after they are deported they will not be able to gain re entry. 4D 5D chess so to speak.
Except that very few migrants are coming from Mexico anymore…
@@michaelkelly4094 Where did you get that from? MSNBC?
Mass deportation, finish the wall, occupy the wall, than designate accordingly.
@@michaelkelly4094 lol
Old saying clean up your own house first
Not when your neighbor keeps throwing trash through the window.
@thevillageyid build a wall ...higher lol 🍻
@@thevillageyidbest defense is the best offense
@@thevillageyidgood response but all the cartels have to do is up fentanyl in its coke and we bend the knee
@@thevillageyidyour peoples wrappers mostly 😅😅😅😅😅😅. No need to throw trash when they live there already 😮😮😮😮😮
The corruption is on both sides of the border. Our own politicians and NGOs benefit from the “trades” (not exclusive to the drugs, fentanyl included). The first question that has to be cleared and without exclusion or doubt: does the US have the will (political, military, and social) to effect such a policy and actions (war). Next is does the US have the will to execute the ROEs necessary to effect and win the decisions. I’ve always felt the result of diplomatic and political failure is war. However, as we have learned in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan when the “dogs of war” are sent with unrealistic restrictions (leashes), failure follows, no matter how much technology is integrated. The only acceptable result of any war is unconditional surrender, or is simpler terms victory. Otherwise the cost far exceeds the effort regardless of justification. While the rules of war (or international laws) are often cited as how to conduct war; they are useless, as we have proven in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Marshall, Halsey, Mitchell, Spatz, Eisenhower, LeMay knew what they were doing, maybe we should relearn what they knew.
Saying the things too many refuse to say-especially in office. Thank you for a solid summary of the reality!
Well said.
Where’s the rest of the video where they come up with a solution?
Getting rid of the cartels will create a huge power, vacuum … it’s crazy how we never learned from our mistakes
The power vacuum being CJNG gunning for control as Sinaloa and others ascend into chaos and rivalry. Its happening already, what happens next is a crap shoot.
It would also create a humanitarian crisis as residents of northern Mexico flood across the US/ Mexico border to escape the fighting and cruise missile/ drone attacks. In many places the cartels are the acting government and provide civil services. The violence could cause people to flood the border.
Can you explain "power vacuum" for who? China?
well you send a message, when have we ever sent a huge message to mexico? We sent one back in the day to teach the cartel and they never touched a american for years.
I am still “out” on this topic but one thing I can say to this comment is this: if the cartels are gone there are only two entities who can fill in the void. Mexican Government or the US Government. But again thats a big, huge, massive “if this happens,” with all the implications and variables that come with said statement.
America wants to go into Mexico for the minerals
Lithium the new oil
It’s what the Chinese are doing there.
End the war on drugs. Why is that not obvious to everyone?
So make fentanyl, heroin, meth, cocaine legal? NOT
@@klawockkidd3426 phrama companies can be regulated and taxed and can settle their disputes in court. Cartels cant be regulated or taxed and settle their disputes with violence. Treating drugs like a medical and mental health issue instead of a criminal issue reduces addiction rates, crime rates, incarceration rates, ODs, and generally save tons of taxpayer money.
@@klawockkidd3426 Prohibition DOESNT WORK. It just builds mafias and cartels. Thats historical fact. Pharma companies can be regulated and taxed and settle disputes in court. Cartels cant be and they settle disputes with violence. Treating drug use as medical and mental health issue instead of criminal issue reduces addiction rates, crime rates, incarceration rates, ODs and just generally saves tons of taxpayer dollars.
Because they dont want to hear it. They see it through a lens of moral judgment rather than a lens of simple cause and effect. From that perspective it isnt the deaths or the crimes or broken families that are the problem, its the moral evil of the drugs themselves. Oddly, they dont feel that way about alcohol or tobacco or prescription meds.
@@MP-db9swI see this glaringly in the many people I know addicted to Adderall but decry street meth as dirty.
People are pretentious moralist hypocrites by nature. This is why this will never happen
The tailban didn't have unlimited resources speak our language know how we think have govt bought and have millions of operators in the homeland.
It’s as if letting in everyone from Mexico was a bad idea
Bingo 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
And didn't those guys now own Afghanistan?
So you think we should just let it continue? Put down the crackpipe for a while.
@@chachis-censored. What’s being explained here as it’s foolish to start. Because once you open this can of worms, we will never be able to close it, and it will only become a worse problem than it currently is now. A materialistic operation will not solve this problem.
I'm a minute in and dude has spit more facts in my opinion than many politicians speak in their whole career
Fax
Cartels have leverage on people in every level of the American system. They would be tipped off or just start a war that we would lose in the long run..
How do you know this? Are you making a statement that you know is based on facts? Has the cartel listed for you all the people they have in their pocket? What a silly statement to make
Its basic capitalism. People want drugs and the profits are astronomical. The Drug War doesnt stop drugs, it feeds cartels just like Prohibition fed the Mob. Cartels will just become the next proxy between USA and maybe Canada or UK on one side and Russia and China on the other. Except in this war we're facing an enemy that already has millions of soldiers and many millions of customers aka agents inside our borders.
@@mogged1181 we know Hunter Biden does drugs. Pretty undeniable that Mat Gaetz does drugs. Theres journalism on SF and SO soldiers who do drugs. Construction workers, lawyers, truck drivers, suburbanites and trailer parkers, CEOs, on and on. The first part of the comment is just an objective fact: drug use exists at every level of our society. As for the war being unwinnable, we've been fighting _and losing_ the Drug war for decades, already. One of the biggest current cartels is the CJNG. If you look into them, not only have they expanded into a variety of other economic domains (like food production) but they were trained by Army Special Forces, including Delta, apparently. So we'd be fighting an incredibly well funded and well trained enemy who already has millions of soldiers and many millions of potential assets (users and their immediate families) scattered around every level of our economic, political, and civil infrastructure.
@@mogged1181 we know Hunter does drugs. Its pretty undeniable Mat Gaetz does. Theres journalism on use in SO and SF communities. Truck drivers, construction workers, lawyers, the entertainment industry is an obvious one. From trailer parks to the suburbs to Ivy League universities, its just an objective fact that use has permeated every level of our economic, political, civil and intellectual domains.
As for winning or losing, we've been fighting _and losing_ the Drug War for decades, already. The latest big player (enemy) just in terms of Mexican cartels was trained by Delta and has expanded its enterprise into numerous other domains, like food production and even real estate. So we would be facing an incredibly well funded enemy who is highly trained and already has many millions of operatives and potential assets imbedded into every level of our infrastructure.
@@mogged1181 we're already losing the drug war. Have been for decades.
Outstanding channel. No BS
The Romeo Oscar Echo will make it challenging when anything goes on the opposing side in conjunction with the systemic cancer around the vacuum😊
Thank you for a thoughtful discussion on downstream effects.
It seems if demand remains constant, and the supply apparatus still exists from a macro perspective level, nothing will change.
Corollary to the above, presumably Xi, Putin, et al, already arm and train many of these groups.
Why don’t they fight the cartel here in the USA??
Because the government is involved blue and red people at the top, messiah or no messiah. Is all about the $$ for the top people. It is not to give the normal taxpayer a better life. As of 2023 21.9% of the population from age 12 and over use illicit drugs, that is basically 1 out of 5 people you see every day.
They want they given illusion
Very bad idea, there would be no cartels or immigrants coming here illegally if Americans weren’t buying drugs
Hey bro, stop talking that personal responsibility stuff.
Bingo
@ not very popular for sure but you can’t blame poor people for trying to make money from the bad ways of others
you are 100% correct
Bingo!!! They'll only create a vacuum for a bigger drug war for the next competitor. So long as there is demand there will be someone to supply
The US legal system would collapse without the drug trade.The courts the Lawyers and Law Enforcement all need the drug trade.
Truth Stings 😮😮😮😮😮, that was a good 👍 1.
Put down the needle.
@@chachis-censored Flop
you mean you
The lawyers love being paid in cash. Politicians are mainly ex-lawyers. Ninety percent of prison inmates are on drugs, so take drugs away and the private prison system would also go broke. Drug rehab centers would be gone. Doctors would lose work.Pharmaceutical companies U.S. Customs would have to sack 80% of their staff. Companies that supply drug detection equipment would be gone. Law enforcement equipment suppliers would lose business. The DEA would have to cut most of their employees.The Government would not earn money from the billions of dollars of illegal cash and assets the seize every year. The drug trade gives legitimate work to millions of Americans and American companies.
The war on drugs is 1 big money spinner.
"Top-Down", coupled with "Bottom-up" works phenomenally, in just about any winning strategy. Not only does it work in warfare, historically, but it works in business too. Utilizing full-scale, conventional AND unconventional warfare, coupled with military intelligence and SecOps and Marines, with Army support and the other branches, is extremely devastating. It worked in just 3 weeks vs. ISIS at its strongest, which were 100s of thousands strong and funded by billions. THAT was overseas. Just do it like we do in high-level, massive dollar sales: "Suround and Pound", or "Swarm". You go after the top, while simultaneously going after the leaders at all levels; especially the leaders most particular to the infrastructure and logistics. Glover is talking about the failures seen in the old Afghan and Iraq wars. I get it, but those were also led by corrupt admins and their money-grubbing, bureaucracies. Again, Trump proved against ISIS, that without gov't nonsense in the way, the modern US Military, when not impeded by bureaucracy and corruption, is the deadliest and most swift and devastating force ever seen by mankind in world history. Is there a threat here, stateside? Sure. However, it should also be very much understood by Glover that if coordinated well with LOE and states and communities stateside, the backlash here would be heavily mitigated. One last factor that Glover should also realize, is that America is armed with more than 400 million+ firearms, by nearly 100 million citizens. That is HALF of the privately owned firearms in the world, by a nation that only accounts for 5% of the world's population! I know it was over 80 years ago, but Admiral Yamamoto of Japan cautioned strongly against attacking the US mainland during WW2, for the very same reason. It couldn't be more true today, however.
It sounds like a great idea in theory!! But as long as you have demand for the product all you're doing is creating more violence and higher prices for the product. We learned this throughout alcohol prohibition, and we know how that turned out💀💀💀
This is a lot deeper and more complex than most trigger puller/pipe hitter types will understand.
We cant deal with problems like these with shackles of our code and morals
I don't know if this is what must be done, but something must be done.
Oh by the way…The US SOF have been training these South Americans/Cartels since the 80s
Just like we trained the Mujahideen in the 70s-80s against the Soviets
Just like we trained Sadaam Hussein and his troops also in the 80s
And through all that what did we win…🤔0️⃣🤷🏾♂️
Come Mr. Kelechia give a rest, we trained the Mujahideen in the 70's and 80's to fight the Russians who were the aggressors in Afghanistan, so how in the heck were we supposed to know that the Mujahideen were going to evolve into our enemies 20 plus years later, unless we had a "crystal ball!" The same applies for the other groups as well. Regards, Denis Berte' USMC (Nam 70-71).
What about God?
@@denisberte778because that school they went was against human rights
Any idea is better than no idea
yep
Bad ideas are sometimes WAAAY worse than no ideas and good ideas are always better than bad ideas.
@@MP-db9swWrong, when it comes to warfare and military ops. , making a move is better than just sitting there waiting for your opponent too.
Usually by then it’s too late.
@@Paladin.Brandis Idk man, convincing me that Invading Vietnam or more recently, Iraq worked out better for our country (or the world) than not invading them would have is... probably a hard sell. But please, convince me if you can.
No… the law of untended consequences disagrees… this requires chess, 5-10 moves predictively planned.
Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Just dont do drugs. Problem solved.
@@eliw6607 man, if only that answer actually solved the problem lol an answer that isnt working is not a good answer.
what about the human trafficking?? Forget about the girls?
Just say no? The cocaine business is bigger in 2024,than when I was a commissioned officer in the U.S. Army S.F.,in 1981. I've been all over Central and South America,and this has only gained in proportion. Mexico is merely the last leg of the journey into the U.S..
It's NOT ONLY drugs! Let the druggies off themselves if that's what they want. We CAN'T allow their corrupt presence to go unabated!!
@@MP-db9sw not working? What do you mean..? It works just fine
Creating the “need” for a digital cage
Just give the Mexicans spectre and A-10 support .
They’re capable of sorting out the ground work .
Great points.
All hands on deck
👍 I fully agree.
Great video.
The issue can be eliminated, just a matter of whether we have the will to do what must be done to do so.
Ridiculous take. Ain’t no small time cartel guys on this side of the border going to risk life in prison to create chaos. These are small time thugs, they would stand down and fracture quickly if they were declared terroist.
Right. MONEY IS THE MOTIVE! Ain't no political or religious ideology to stand and die for. It's just business.
@@dfm4188 a lot of people in that life are in so deep that theyre already facing the risk of death or life in prison. Its literally part of the job.
Lmfaooo I’m sorry to tell you but there are plenty that would do that 😂😂😂 you have no grip on reality at all
@@dfm4188wrong
@@JR7600 so you think if we started routing out the Cartels In Mexico we would have all out chaos In the United States, with a bunch of Isis level trained small time guys here in the US blowing everything thing up and invading our neighborhoods and city’s just because Chapo gives them a call telling them they will get $1Million if they do so??? Yeah they are in deep, but most of them know that their own cartels are corrupt and would probably not even be able to get them half of what $$ they are promised to create a big enough terror to make any difference. I think you watch to many cartel docs brotha. 🤣
Yes and plug in Blackwater as well.
The corruption is easy to explain. "Either do business with us and make some money or we come for you and the ones around you"
What would you do?
plata o plomo - silver or lead.
@@klawockkidd3426 (plata o plomo - uncle Pablo Escobar) por supuesto. Dame la plata por favor.
Cartels will never be stopped.
Just saying, follow the money and resources finances. Cutting others motivation.
I feel like Trump saw the early cut of Sicario in 2015 and based his speech on the movie😂😂😂
Give cartels Mexico. Spoil the players. Make them legit government if they agree to fix their shit. All their kids go to good schools. Nobody fights.
In similar way to what has happened in Afghanistan couple years back
Great conversation….
Do you guys think that using Spec Ops against cartels could draw the US into an unintended situation like Israel - Gaza, of a decades long back and forth tit for tat strikes on both sides of the border???
It's already a known fact within MX that US spec ops have been operating in Mexico for quite a while now
No, not at all, because the cartels are a criminal organization that neither the US, nor the Mexican government, support their existence. The US and Mexican population as a whole are also in agreement that the cartel should not be this big and powerful and should be taken down. Plus, we're both democratic countries with similar religions, and we both trade extensively. No matter how you look at it, we, generally speaking, are friendly with one another, and we both hate the cartel.
Now, all it's going to take is the willingness and determination from both the Mexicans, and the Americans, to cooperate with each other in order to take action against the criminal organizations of the cartel. Nothing more, and nothing less.
There is a lot more. To win we would have to fight to win. That means getting nasty, which we did in WW2. They say Israel is doing Genocide, what does one think the Allies did in WW2? We bombed cities and the corresponding areas into rubble and ashes. It isnt told much but what we did to Dresden is worse than Hiroshima. The cartels arent going to follow any convention rules, so it will get very ugly. What very few think about is all our electric substations are unprotected easy targets. It would not take a whole lot to make things ugly here in the USA real quick. The citizens of the countries would have to be on board and realize what we would be getting into. Everyone would have to be armed and have to be ready to use it.
1. don’t compare Israel’s capabilities to the US
2. Our veterans could do the job themselves, there’s millions of veterans fit for duty.
3. None of my cholo friends are dumb enough to throw away their lives because Jefe Jalisco sauce said to be his sleeper agents and cause chaos.
Does mike have a podcast?
JUST MAKE MEXICO THE 52nd State of America 😂😂😂
WHAT 😂 they’re already creating chaos!!!
A bunch of morons doing drugs is chaos? Where was all this concern back in the 80s when it was crack? Oh wait, that's right the users looked different.
So what’s your grand plan then Army boy? Sit here and let them smuggle more fentanyl and terrorists into our country?
As a US.Marine this video made me cringe so hard.
We are the ones buying and using. Nobody forcing it into arms. We beg for it.
The answers to all of your questions in that final rant Andy are YES.
Exactly, there would instantly be Cartel Terrorists cells in every state in America conducting Ops against citizens and infrastructure. Local LEO isn't prepared to deal with this. Sheepdog veterans would act but organization would take too long.
They know better than to retaliate on american turf
Why not if the US is going after them? Getting busted by Mexican police or US border patrol is just the price of doing business. Getting raided by JSOC or having your house hit by US cruise missiles is something else.
TELL ME YOURE A KAMAL SIMP WITHOUT TELLING ME YOURE A KAMALA SIMP
It's a great idea. We need this stopped. Whatever it takes.
Didn't we do this already with the contras?
Very bad decision I’m telling you why the cartels have tier one guys working for them
They’ve had SF and SEALs train them but no one from DEVGRU or Delta has worked for them before. They keep track of you when you leave those units. If you went down there the FBI/DEA would wrap you up once you got back stateside.
This is exactly where my mind went when I first heard the idea of taking military action against cartels. Yes, I do believe something desperately needs to be done, but make no mistake about how this could potentially turn out. Their tactics would be far different from the type of military action that is typically shaped by politics where the support of the masses is the end goal. Their desperation would exponentially increase their brutality. Imagine American politicians and prominent business leaders & decision makers' bodies hanging from bridges, full scale marshal law, curfews, disruption to commerce, people terrified to go to public places out of fear of indiscriminate public shootings, etc.. These people have no sense of morality to prevent them from engaging in the most heinous acts you can imagine. Lets face it, guerrilla style warfare against people dressed as civilians is not what our military excels at. Think about the internment camps that were created for Japanese-Americans during WW2. That would be the level of discrimination we could see again if things get bad enough.
Finally someone with common sense when it comes to this topic. They need to stop asking the usual egotistical special ops guy about this subject.
Sounds like too many people have been watching Sicario when they used the Delta guys
The Cartels has its own spec - ops operators
yeah they suck, call them 3rd world operators LMAO
So does India and Bangladesh
If they ever do this they must not share any information with the Mexican government
If we wont do it then who will?
I recommend artillery barrages.
Pay now, pay later?🤷🏻♂️🔨
The discussion of cartels as "clean targets" is what I'm focused on. The cartels are, in my understanding, integrated pretty tightly in the general population and with the support of that population. WIth that in mind, I can imagine some targets as clean (labs, distribution hubs, etc) where the only damage and casualties will be cartel property and operatives. But to think that will do anything more than irritate and inconvenience the cartels writ large is, I think, blindly optimistic. To that end it seems the military option is NOT a complete solution, not even close. Andy addresses it a bit at the end. Military action would definitely give a hoo-yah feeling for a short while but will probably ultimately be ineffective alone.
I'm just a good old boy American but my thought is if we concrete on stopping it here 1st and then you on the defensive here before we go on the offensive is a fundamental start before going into battle with our neighbors is better because we get to stand back to see what the reaction is and then draw up a plan.
Yes... we should just protect what crosses into our border and what's happening here in the US. Let Mexico handle their own country. Evidently, they like what happens there or they would ask for our help. We should handle what happens in our own country within our borders.
All they'd have to do is fluctuate the flow of drugs and the amount of chaos that would happen throughout all of North America would be astronomical.
Imagine every addict dope sick for a couple days and then when the market gets flooded again all the overdoses.
@@270Remi most people in these comments dont care. They dont use and believe no one they care about uses. To them its just a bunch of people who dont matter, anyway. Fact I bet a lot of these folks think it would be a good thing.
@ I was just looking at the amount of strain on the system that it would cause, not even the personal side of it all.
Even during the Rona lockdowns liquor stores were open to prevent alcoholics from detoxing and bogging down the healthcare system in mass.
@@270Remi not only the clog that it would put on everything related to first response but what if the orders came down for people to say "hey, no one else can get anything but if you do X or Y little job for me, I'll make sure youre taken care of" ? I wont comment specific ideas of what addicts could be tasked to do but I'll say that hurting people will do most anything to stop hurting. If little as 5 percent of the addicts in every city were given "assignments" it could be...well it could be really bad lol
@@MP-db9sw cartels would probably use addicts and civilians as cannon fodder both in there side and over in the US
In the US, fair game. Across the fence, tell the drone people it’s a new level for war thunder and they get to beta test it.
Senior SF NCO’s don’t want to be recalled because they’ve forgotten their oaths, are wealthy and living good lives.
Imagine the cartels doing to our govt what they’ve done to the Mexican govt. I’d be worried about them already having intel on the powers of the US’s families. That’s a whole different animal right there. They don’t have the numbers but they sure have the ruthlessness and are driven by fear. I doubt they would beat us. It’s certainly something to think about though.
Cartels will united and they will have a big fucking army with alot of them with special forces trained
Yup…
You act like Mexicos neighbor isn’t the country where you can simply buy guns at Walmart, a country that specializes in covert and guerrilla warfare and is the most advanced country in the world. Good luck
Bro the cartels hire ex spec ops dudes to train their guys lol
Andy, sweet crown! Positioning is on point. *edit: perhaps the focal point.
Would the US become more at risk of terror attacks if we went to war with cartels? Cartels are already operating on this side of the border and if we took the fight to them I feel they might have their people start committing some major terror attacks throughout the US.
@@InfamousAustinT0 they would. Theres about 8 million people addicted to illegal drugs in this country. Thats not counting the cartel members, themselves. Just the legions of addicts at their disposal.
Without extreme cooperation with the mexican government or an occupation, it's virtually impossible. These leaders and groups have been targeted countless times, and each time they come back while simultaneously causing extreme violence
The only cooperation you would need from the Mexican Government would be a promise to stay out of the way.
@@ralphholiman7401 idk, impoverished, uneducated, half starved goat herders in Afghanistan put two separate empires through hell. These cartels have unlimited funds, much of the same technology as us, connections and minions all over the world (including here in USA) and some of them were trained by some of our best guys. I dont think itll be as easy as your comment suggests.
@@ralphholiman7401 LMAO cause the Mexican people and Mexican Government are just going to stand still while a foreign army invades. You got alot of Hollywood movie logic 😂
@@hammerhead4046 , they stand still for the cartels doing it.
So, do nothing then?
Not the guys you want to listen to .. thank God for prrsident trump and that this guy isnt making thr decisions because trump isnt scared
If you're saying it's a bad idea then what's the solution because we now have Cartel members who have set up shop as far in as Montana. We really only have two options, fight or do nothing. Regards, Denis Berte' USMC (Nam 70-71)
So calling the cartels s terrorist organization gives the DOD the authority to do what they want in another country? Does that mean that Mexico won't care that foreign forces invade their land?
Lack of info about the enemy is the problem
If the cartels can't be defeated, then they really are the strongest and most clever army in the world.
If this happens it will be a shit show because in reality, we haven’t ever fought cartels and they will be unpredictable.
I agree. I think that’s already going on though
If politicians don’t get in the way the problem can be solved. These senior NCO’s who won’t do as ordered when recalled~strip their retirements and give them BCD status.
So send them against the three letter agencies? People on this side of the border will have their cash flow interrupted so expect consequences.
All i know is that America needs to fix this problem now without hesitation
BRING IT ON FOOL ... YOU WILL HAVE ALL YA ENEMIES AT YOUR BACK DOOR. ... CHINA RUSIA NORTH KOREA AND IRAN BCHHHH
This guy's correct!
It would be like Vietnam inside American neighborhoods
Why? Nobody is just gonna sacrifice their lives for the Cartel that’s being threatened with a Terrorist watchlist. You act like Mexican Americans aren’t armed patriots.
Glover looking younger.
0:50 yup
I don't get the idea that the cartel members would seriously fight against the big guys. They are not unified and have no universal support. The freedom to deal drugs and terrorize the public is not a very unifying cause imo. Low trust societies are historically not the best soldiers on the battlefield.
The cartels recruiting team trained guys,we trained our enemies
You guys did that again? First the mujahideen and now this?
Are we to do nothing? Doing nothing is like not getting off a heroine habit.
We could stop the cartel in a week, the problem is the enablers in our government
You want to kill thousands of civilians?
The biggest cartel in Mexico is the government. Go listen to the IronClad Borderland podcast labeled the violent aftermath of Sinola Cartel arrest of El Mayo. This isn't an easy task, as many think.
I don't hear a lot of people mention that the comparison between the Taliban/AQ etc with the MDC isn't really valid in the sense that the will to fight back isn't driven by the same motives. The religious radicalization is quite a powerful factor in the picture.