@tbohn10 I wrote this comment before I got to the point in the video where the guy calls a woman a "foid" and I would like to add that you should probably avoid using that phrase or any derivative of it as well
The amount of times that kid said "female" is all you need to know about why women don't bother with guys like him lol. They act like it's hard to treat women as actual people. It's also kind of weird/pathetic they put so much focus on getting laid, there's so much more to life.
I honestly felt really bad for that kid, actually. His ideology is *abhorrent* but it very clearly comes from a place of deep-seeded emotional and mental pain. You can understand how a person in that kind of prolonged agony can lead them down these disturbing ideological rabbit holes. His words really didn't feel like they were filled with hate or malice, at least not intentionally; it was all hauntingly matter-of-fact. Like he's just accepted a hopeless reality and no longer sees it as a stance to take or a group to hate. It's important to remember that the reason abhorrent ideologies like these are able to exist and proliferate, is because they prey on already vulnerable people. People who are already victims in some way. As such, it's important to feel some amount of sympathy and empathy for people who have been misled down this path. Even if we condemn them and the things they say and believe, they're all victims of a system that has made them feel unbelievably lonely and isolated, and that's why they are where they are now.
@@Stickarms99 I definitely agree; it's important to remember that people are primarily a product of their environment. There are millions of people that kinda suck because there was never a real opportunity for them to _not_ suck. I know we like to pretend that humans are rational and make decisions based on logic, but most of the time.. we don't. We go by feel. P.S. surprisingly, the correct phrase is actually *_"deep-seated",_* not deep-seeded. I thought it was 'seeded' too 😂 (apparently _deep-seated_ had an original, literal meaning of "situated far below the surface", and then the metaphorical usage was derived from there. Words are so neat sometimes 🤗)
I'm definitely not conservative but I dated someone who listened to Andrew tate every once in a while, the relationship ended because I was sick of having to debate about biological sexes, gender, and female rights with my partner. He's meant to make me feel safe, not like an idiot.
the fastest way to stop me from being interested in talking to any guy is when they start having debates on gender and try to force me to justify the worth of all women (and lgbt+ ppl) I'm not interested. just be normal.
I gave a guy a chance because he said he was a feminist and that he wasn't conservative. Turns out he didn't believe in vaccines and continuously referred to me as "little girl" even after I asked him not to do that because it was weird and patronizing. Didn't take long for me to realize we would never get along because he refused to compromise.
5:29 it is insane that someone thinks it's within the realm of reasonable to marry someone who views you as subhuman. So much so, they vote for legislation that actively harms you. While crying at dogs dying in movies. The Gaul
Literally struggling with this right now. My boyfriend just voted entirely republican and I voted democratically, but I’m like wtf? You want to keep people in office that are actively seeking to harm me? And we have two daughters. But he’s also got me trapped financially and is emotionally unavailable to a ridiculous extent and I just need to get hired somewhere and get out. More and more of my gut is telling me to get out and go be happy and cared about. 😢
@@Stephaniemickle please reach out to your local DSA chapter, women's services, etc. this is too public a media for me to ask anything about where you are and such and offer more direct tips, but there are resources to help you navigate this part of your life. The DV hotline (I am not saying you are being physically abused) is a good first number to just explain your situation outloud to someone. Domestic Shelters DOT org is good for national directory Your local DSA chapter should be familiar with city, country, state, and federal services that can help you, or refer you to another chapter. You are not alone in this experience and don't have to figure this out alone.
I apologize for my bluntness. I do care about incels and folks who are struggling with social skills, much compassion to them, it is hard to fit into social norms. @@TurtleChad1
41 year old cis male who deals with mental instability, paranoia, depression, all kinds of problems and yet I've been in a stable marriage for 13 years. It really just takes adjusting your relationship goals just like life goals and many of these young men have been conditioned to be entitled, greedy, and just down right disrespectful to women.
Yup. Survived 15 years of human trafficking and 2 years serving in the U.S. Military .. many facets of my life are factors of statistics but not very funny.@@wgvader8295
I’m so glad I found Hasan when I did, I’m 21 now I’m a white male and I found him during 2020 during the election and he helped me see things from a perspective I haven’t before. I’m glad I didn’t go down the Tate rabbit hole like I see so many of my younger brothers friends do
What I found was that the only thing getting in my way was myself. 90% was my own fear of being hurt from opening up to someone. These guys need to learn to open their hearts and be okay with being hurt. If you aren't putting yourself in a position where the other person can reject you for who you are then aren't being authentic enough to be successful. You need to just be yourself and that means opening oneself up to true rejection and true pain. There are only two outcomes you get hurt and you get over it or you find real happiness. If you try to avoid the potential for pain you will never find the person who will love you for you.
@@markohehe6620 Why is it that you think a man would only be able to relate to women through violence and objectification? Why would he be so focused on gaining male approval and male money? The patriarchy isn't your friend, bro. It's telling you to blame women for your problems while they fleece your pockets.
But one thing I hate is when a girl sleeps around she’s a hoe but when the guy does it he’s praised let’s be honest if the girl that sleeps around is labelled degenerate doesn’t that make the guy degenerate aswell a guy needs a degenerate girl to sleep with and say this guy meets a girl at a club and his intentions r to take a girl home with him then he’s most likely done it before with other girls which makes him no different to the girls that do hookups there degenerate aswell goes both ways but men nowadays wanna be delusional
I have a homosexual friend and he hangs out with a straight coworker, and i remember when his coworker mentioned hearing my friend talk with his husband on the phone over the past few months and got a bit of a shock at how my friend is always happy when he's talking with his husbo I see so many straight people think its genuinely normal to spend a large part of their relationships arguing and disagreeing with their partners Its just a thing i noticed between people who love those they actually love, compared to those who do it just so they can have a partner I personally have began taking a break from dating as a whole because its shockingly stressful and exhausting. Not that they're bad people or anything, but there's a LOT of commitment involved
Incels act like women are the problem, but I've had male friends and boyfriends that will see a hot woman with a plain guy and say "she's with *THAT?*" And it's like, you're eating your own. Men can look any way but since we tend to look for a long term partner, we value humour, kindness, comfort, and stability over muscles and jawlines.
But just as much as we see hot women with plain guys we see hot women delusioned by outright manipulative, overly masculinized, unlikable douchebags, and some are even proud of it. It is scientifically proven that there lies a massive cognitive dissonance between what EITHER sexes SAY they want, and what they intrinsically desire. The issue lies with women mistaking things like cockiness. manipulation and douchebaggery for strength and confidence.
I think that only makes it more frustrating for men because attractive women that they want will date guys less physically attractive than them and so it just begs the question ‘what’s wrong with me?’ And it continues the spiral
@@claytonschopfer8467 Sure, but that's a great first step for anyone: Assess your faults and acknowledge your positives, then put in the work to grow the areas where you feel you're lacking. Big buff hot dudes not getting girls might mean they need to work on their conversational skills or expand their interests into things that pretty girls would appreciate.
@@claytonschopfer8467 I see so much immaturity in the incel community. "Seeing hot girls that they want'. First of all women are whole human beings. It takes time to actually find out if someone is a good match. When it comes to long term relationships you should want someone because you genuinely like them. Second viewing them as sex objects and a prize to be won is very toxic and it's what keeps you mad when someone "lesser" is dating an attractive woman. Maybe they are dating because they love each other? Find someone who has similarities with you, shares the same values etc. You will get used to your partner's looks pretty fast. The glue that keeps two people together is not looks.
You’re making the mistake in thinking you’d have any day. Under the red pill, manosphere view women are property, LGBTQ doesn’t exist and I guess everyone just drop ships and buys from each other and whips about in Bugattis
Wapo glosses over how consrvative men are more likely to abuse female partners and women know it. Women shouldn't be expected to "compromise" on that. Men are not entitled to sex.
Recently I was trying to explain to my brother in law why my teenage terminally online daughter is terrified of boys. She def on the straighter end of the spectrum, but guys terrify her. Plus she’s also short and petite, and feels vulnerable anyways, but the last few years has made her increasingly scared of interacting with guys. She wants to date but has felt unable to bc she’s not attracted to girls. Recently she told me she wishes she could meet a trans boy, it’s like she feels like that’s the safest way to date within her preferences, which is boys. My oldest niece who identifies as bi but is more attracted to guys, decided to only date women and is now in a committed relationship with a girl bc she thinks guys are all trash. Like we get into debates where I try and break through the disgust she has for most guys. My middle niece found a great bf and when I was telling her how much I liked him, she told me she was shocked that there were guys like him. Her exact words were I didn’t know guys like him actually existed. And my nieces were raised with prob the best father I’ve ever met. Literally dude is a saint. But even still they have this incredibly pessimistic view of guys.
I was slightly similar like your niece. I didn't have many male friends, and my connection with women was simply conversational. Before junior high I was in school where I was the only girl in class. Though there was no fear in me, I just found myself befriending boys. Albeit P.E. wasn't the most fun especially in heart of winter. I thought I was lesbian when I was very young, but I don't even find women attractive. Being lesbian then was only to push the sexual frustration out, but I never cared for a single female I got to know like that. Fortunately I only had my lesbian time solely through internet, never catfished or anything, just pushed frustration out. Over time I stopped thinking I was lesbian, because I felt attracted to guys.
Women are trying to will themselves into being sapphic just to find love because they don't want to date men/are scared of them. Whew chile it truly is rough for straight people out here. We really need places where people can just hang out with, not date, people of the opposite sex. No stakes, no string attached, just get to know each other. Having more cross sex friendships would go a long way I feel
I think a huge part of the problem is that men keep telling women we’re blowing things out of proportion and that men aren’t so bad instead of holding each other accountable. Your daughter may not have had any awful personal experiences of her own (that you know of), and the internet may have made her feel more fear than she needs to, but dating really is a dangerous game for women. She has a 1 in 3 chance of experiencing abuse via a partner at some point in her lifetime…to say nothing of the statistics around casual encounters with men in public or on dating apps. And in my experience most of the women that know how to avoid these situations learned the hard way, through personal experience and years of unpacking trauma. She doesn’t have to date to be a fulfilled person, so why take the risk? If men are so great, why are they so hell bent on taking away our bodily autonomy? Who can blame the young women in your family for looking at the Tate wannabes in her class, see her odds of successfully finding a partner without being brutalized, and feeling hesitant? I say this as a woman in a relationship with a male feminist - most men are capable of so much more than they are willing to do. And women are tired of it. We’re wiping our hands clean of it. We’re not willing to make it our problem anymore, and young women are building off the stories and experiences of their predecessors. My unsolicited advice is that you shouldn’t be telling the young women in your life how to feel about men. Stop trying to break through the “disgust” - that’s not your place. If your daughter is straight and truly worried/heartbroken she may never find a partner, reassure her that she has plenty of time to figure that out, find her a female therapist and let THEM work through how she should feel.
These men are projecting their inability to see past physical appearance onto women as a whole and it’s very painful to hear them talk through it. They are unable to fathom that many people develop past the point of judging the value of a person solely based upon their appearance. They truly do not see an issue with the way they talk about themselves and their fellow humans, and fail to realize just how reductive and thought-terminating the conversation often is.
At this point i feel like if not a single woman wants to be associated or date you its a fault in yourself, I'm a mother fucking autistic guy with extreme social anxiety and even I somehow manage better in the dating scene than these people. Womans standards are so low man, just dont be a predator or say something violently racist or sexist and you're there. Guys seriously, it should not be this hard, if you're finding yourself on the incel pipeline just reflect on actions you took in those situations and try to empathise with the people you interacted with, keep your head up, you're not entitled to a specific person but if you make an effort into your appearance and social skills you will find it is much easier than you think to find someone interested in you. You can do it! Don't hyperfocus on 1 person if you know they're not into you move on and look forward
thanks man! It's so weird how these guys are like "yeah you'll never get a partner, because these wh*res just want your money and you gotta be a buff chad and whatever" and meanwhile my bf is just chilling and telling me about his special interest planes for two hours, as he has for the past five years lmao
yes indeed! i had an ex in in spectrum but somehow he's just kind and nice. He had social anxiety too. He's respect me and defend me the best he could. we just broke up in good terms because it's hard to manage long distance relationship for him, and i respect that. but these guys... geez they need to touch the grass... no i think more than that!
I'm autistic and I literally had to teach myself how to understand other people and relate to them because that didn't come with my operating system. But I did and now I have dozens of friends and a boyfriend. How are you gonna find a gf if you spend all your time in male only women hating communities? You'd have better luck finding for vegans while looking exclusively at steakhouses. The elites don't want you to know this but the more women you know the more likely you are to find one that likes you back
I have hooked up with autistic men, I've hooked up with nerdy men, I've hooked up with awkward men. If they were kind to me and made me laugh and treated me with respect, that's what mattered. Men who were rude, demeaning, disrespectful, violent, unhygienic, etc were the ones I avoided. It's really not that hard to figure out.
I hope it's not a hot take and have no issues with marriage but I just wish it wasn't a default goal for everyone to strive for. For so many people they imagine their future marriages from when they are children and I find it kind of sad. There are so many out there who are married because it's just what we're supposed to do or else you're seen either as a threat, weird, or will 'die alone'. For every happy marriage there are probably an equal amount of people who are just seeking normalcy and want to be able to afford a house, or need someone decent to have children with. I don't even think marriage will be a thing in a couple of hundred years as technology increases. Again, I have no problem with marriage I just wish it wasn't everyone's default goal! I will admit though that I despise wedding culture.
This isn't so much about marriage but about relationship in general. People can no longer form relationship due to commodification of sex as a social status!!!
Honestly you're very right and I'm of the opinion that making marriage and kids the absolute goal has done a lot of damage. Folks, especially men, are so singularly focused on finding a relationship that they neglect all other relationships and end up putting the entire weight of their emotional needs on their partner.
What a donkey comment. What does technological advancement have anything to do with love? Why do you care what everyones goals are? Focus on yourself, live alone with cats no one cares. People don't get married because they feel like its the next step in life, they do it because they found love. Maybe you have internal trauma, are sad and alone, and see everyone around you start families, and are projecting your bitterness on others.
i agree. many people are just not made for long term commitment, and yet they're told marriage is a requirement. so they get married, then they cheat, and hurt the people around them
I'm so tired of romance being politicized and men talking about women like we're an alien species. Guys, being born with a vag doesn't automatically give pretty privilege. Many of us are just as weird, awkward, and unattractive as you. Society just puts a lot more pressure on us to find ways to compensate for that even as young children. Also, the dating scene is pretty trash for everyone right now and it's just as soul-crushing (with the added bonus of being severely life-threatening) when you're a straight FEMALE. More of us are single and celibate than you guys realize or are willing to accept. We just aren't making a big fuss about it because, more often than not, being single results in a more fulfilling and stress-free life than the alternative. Like, nearly all of us would happily choose to be a crazy old cat lady than spend life as some misogynist/tatertot's trophy, camwh*re, c*mdumpster, punching bag, baby factory, or stay-at-home slave. Society doesn't think emotional intelligence or introspection is manly and continues to manufacture this gender divide that creates a mass mental health crisis for men and encourages the abuse of women. Until that changes, you can bet more women (not just liberal feminists) will continue to quietly bow out of the game rather than "suck it up".
Around the "women peak at 12" comment. This is something that most women KNOW men think. It's so so common for being harassed on the street to significantly decrease in adulthood. I was always honked at when walking up to the corner store at age 12-14. This absolutely stopped once I was visibly over 18. So many women have similar experiences And it's absolutely disgusting.
But don't you think this is also because young girls are less likely to defend themselves towards a grown man? And these men are simply looking for a way to secure their "masculinity", not for a serious interaction. A woman fighting back would destroy that experience. They would feel less powerful. Just a guess.
@@Kako279 I'm failing to see how this makes any difference to what I said. Reasoning is still just as gross and still predatory? Still an adult being inappropriate with a child. I was almost abducted on the same street doing the same walk to the store.
@@Kako279 tbh I don't think stuff like catcalling 12 yo has anything to do with young people being easier to manipulate and is more men making sure girls/femmes "know their place". That they know their bodies are objects that exist for people's pleasure who are higher up than them in the hierarchy and that their own feelings about that objectification is irrelevant
If anyone here is confused like the chat was, “visibly autistic” means you’re unable to mask your autism and basically everyone you meet will be able to tell that you’re autistic.
i feel bad for this kid dude. he's not an incel at all, he's completely deluded himself into thinking it's all just 'banta'. he had a ridiculously hard time making any friends, and now that he's actually found a group that doesn't reject him, he's piss terrified of having no friends again so he's convinced himself 'they don't mean it'.
The problem with kids like this is even though idiots like Tate the grifting may seem obvious but the thing is guys this young don't know any better. Their desperate for someone to tell what they need to do and their too naïve to realize this kind mentality is going to make them less attractive to girls in the long run. Which in turn will lead to a terrible dating life as they enter adulthood which makes them more bitter. A cycle self-perpetuating at that point. Also since a lot of them lack self-evaluation skills they usually just end up blaming woman for not wanting them in the first place. Having said that I do feel the majority of guys don't fall for this or at least grow out of it. But their is definatley a subset of young men that this can be an issue with.
"Their desperate for someone to tell what they need to do and their too naïve to realize this kind mentality is going to make them less attractive to girls in the long run." Ohhhh I wonder why they are desperate for somebody to tell them what they need to do... it's almost like there's an entire education system, and by extension, market system, that turns otherwise intelligent and curious beings into obedient slaves... (I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just frustrated at how much shit could be better)
@@Cherryblossoms110 No I agree, the educational systems especially have done a terrible job at dealing with online influences of vulnerable young men and are doing a worse job dealing with the core issues that make them seek out and be so easily influenced by online grifters in the first place. The fact so many of them are lost in the first place is not something that should be ignored.
@@gwell2118 And yet it will continue to be ignored, masculinity demonized, and scumfuck Tate will grow stronger still. Things are going to get way worse before they get better.
In the news in montreal, they did a show with journalists etc about this subject. About how teachers and parents are having a hard time dealing with the rise of mysoginistic boys being influenced by males like Andrew tate. Boys in primary school AND highs school. I work in schools too and its worrisome. Girls dont evennwant to deal with boys because of this. If the media is seriously talking about this, it means that goverments will have no choice to do something about this and intervene.
We are. Every day in classes, we try to have talks about things like this and push back against a lot of the more insidious views kids have, even the more innocent ones that are only slightly tied to this line of thinking. The problem is we are a few voices they hear for part of their week. The rest of their lives is spent bombarded by this stuff. Sometimes you can have a noticeable effect on someone, but not always.
It happens to adults too, when you spend too much time online. It's just with kids it's supposed to be the parents making sure the kids aren't so terminally online. But alas...
The issue is that to take andrew tate-like figures out from social media platforms would mean forcing social media companies to properly enforce their codes of conduct and there's no way to do that other than nationalizing them. And that's just not going to happen unfortunately.
You legit have women online for years saying all men should die lol you cant complain now when you didnt care about that its not an issue of the last 4 years its an ongoing 15 year issue. That will only get worse for multiple reasons all of the current 30--45 year old women may not get a man so no family or they may end up being a single mother and we know single mothers create all the crazy kids from all the stats published which in turn creates more crazy people. We see all the issues for men from 15 years ago to the next 15 and in the next 30 years we will see all the issues for women some already began from like 8 years ago to the next 30 years. But it only gets spoken about when it starts hurting women which will begin soon and men will be blamed but a lot of men already gave up so the snowball begins to degeneracy.
@@Rob-OtterFeminism has been around since 1900 and is a literal scientific field that's extremely complex. Tate and his fans are a Internet-Trend that emerged in the past years. Do you really think that those movements are equal?
I hate it when this kind of opinion pieces say shit like "when they consider religion or politics to be part of their identity", like none of those things are related to values, like there isn't a clear diference between what one side thinks compared to the other. You bet your ass I wouldn't be caught dead sharing a drink with a potential partner if the think that food and shelter are not universal rights and discriminate openly on anyone different. It shows a clear lack of empathy and generosity and that's not something I want to spend my life tolerating.
As a xennial raised on limbaugh this has always been a problem we have to solve, & as a disinformation researcher your mockery of these clowns is 100% on point. We just need more funding to beat them and i sure wish that soros money was actually real lol
You don't need more funding. It's not about money. All that needed to be done was to stop demonizing men and trivializing men's issues. If men/boys were actually shown even an once of compassion in the last decade Tate would not have had such a easy time capturing the minds of the youth. Even now libs and conservative still attack the wrong thing and ignore the issues and men and boys. Basically giving Tate and his scumbag brethren even more power.
as a survivor of pdf files for most of my childhood starting at infancy for 7 years, then others as a teenager, and grapes as an adult, plus more.. the 12 year old piece killed me. That's a little kid in middle school. Some haven't had their . yet. females is a way that expresses a gender without necessarily age, whereas girl, woman, person, kid, man, guy, boy, have a relatively agreed upon range in society. It seems small but language is important. Manipulation of language can be so much more powerful than you'd think. (If you want a book/audiobook that goes more in-depth, I recommend Cultish by Amanda Montell.)
@@kittygoesWOOF yt restrictions are actually insane "talking about your terrible traumas to possibly help people understand/ help others that lived similar shit find comfort ? fuck no :). Threaten someone of the most disgusting shit with a little racial insult ? hell yeah :)"
I have sadly been in a relationship with someone who was part of the incel group. To me the scary part was that he seemed normal. He even went as far as calling himself a feminist. But he was still in those groups and what has been shared there was terrible. When I started to ask more questions about specific topics I was simply disgusted. I feel like p'dophilia is openly promoted there. This is one of the main topics I have gotten from those groups. Those men are incredibly lonely and they found themselves some "friends" within those groups. I really really wish I would have never met this person.
My buddy went like 10 years solo, thinking he would never get a date again. Now been in a relationship for a couple years as happy as can be after doing the bare minimum, just put himself out there and started taking care of himself better.
The main issue is that those guys think they can pull super models and think Margot Robbie is average. They're basically the male equivalent of the women who require a 6 foot tall, 6 figure income man and offer nothing in return.
I really appreciate what Hasan had to say. Its hard for everyone. Many of us women can also sympathize to untealistic beauty standards too. Love your self enough to work on yourself and you will find your community. ❤
The thing I never hear mentioned in the higher education thing is that men have more options in the trades. I will never be a welder, plumber, or do construction because they’re male dominated fields, and in male dominated fields I will face way more misogyny than I do now. Why would I volunteer to be treated like ass? So I don’t have a choice but to get a higher education if I want to get a decent job AND be treated like a human.
It should just make sense though. It's not like the mainstream left and right are disagreeing on the minutiae of policy. One side believes there are systematic problems that need to be fixed and the other doesn't acknowledge that those things exist.
I use to believe that before women lost a huge chunk of their body rights to men. Now I know who clearly wants to address issues and those who do not. Those who have empathy for others and those who do not.
Raymond is a clear example of a man who is hindered not by physical looks but by demeanor. If he looked more positive and more confident, he would be so much more attractive. Not only he has a better definition than many men, but his face is not bad, and he has quite a lot of hair. All he really needs to do is to get more witty in conversations and smile more and he will easily jump 2 levels. The good thing for Raymond is that those are things that can also be trained, so good luck, my dude.
I really like the way dating is changing. I think it’s leveling the playing field and making people realize they should only date people who they get along with.
Honestly the Hasan dating advice is super helpful to me. He understands what it’s like to be a man and how frustrating it can be sometimes, but how to handle it maturely and become a better person and also achieve the goals you set out for yourself
Big props for the vulnerability - it likely helps more than the victim mentality so many take on. Totally relate and support the idea of embracing agency and being committed to putting your best foot forward everyday.
if you cant be happy without a partner you will not be happy with a partner. This is as true for men as for women. if you want someone to share your life with you than you should create a life for yourself that is worth sharing. have hobbies, do things you enjoy, be a happy and whole person who treats others with kindness. if you arelonely, then engage in hobbies that are done with a group and find people who share your interests. If you do this, you will not need romantic partner to be happy, and yet that is when you will find someone who is attracted to who you have become.
this is something I don’t think many people understand. when you have a positive self image, or can at least regulate your own emotions and self image pretty effectively on your own, you won’t feel desperate to be in a relationship with someone because you’re not seeking validation from them. and then you’ll probably meet the right person and you will get along better than if you were an insecure, self loathing, emotionally needy partner.
I feel bad for guys like Raymond. They’ll find someone eventually. But it shouldn’t be understated how hard it can be for people who are possibly on the spectrum, have social anxiety, and just struggle to communicate. That’s not easy to overcome. For some it’s actually impossible to fix that because it’s a hidden disability. And when that’s the case it severely limits the dating pool for them. Incels focus so much on the physical attractiveness but in reality it truly is their outward personality that holds them back. And for some people like Raymond that can actually be really difficult to change.
I understand what you're saying but... there are plenty of women who are also on the spectrum, have social anxiety and struggle to communicate. There are equal matches for everyone.
@@NeccoWeccoyep im on the spectrum and have issues communicating (especially my emotions) effectively when I’m interested in someone. But i learned to adapt where i can and not put the blame on others. That’s why i have trouble sympathizing for incels bc alot of them do not want to put in any effort
Exactly! Speaking as a conventionally attractive woman with crippling depression and anxiety that makes the most basic human interaction excruciating. I finally found the right medication, diet, and exercise regimen to overcome these lifelong setbacks and actually make friends and hold a high stress, very public job. With all that said, I gravitate toward/prefer guys like Raymond. When I notice an obvious lonely person struggle socially, I feel a bond and it strikes a curiosity about who they are. I am highly suspicious of socially skilled people. At best I find them boring.
@@Hannah-zw9owThey're not denying it. They're just literally pointing out autistic women have the same issues and no one gives a fuck because society is so focused on assuaging men's egos. It's annoying af when autistic men are used as pity tools as if autistic women don't face the same fucking challenges.
They’re all like “hello female” and then when woman don’t like them they’re like “why don’t foids like me?”. Bro, just start by saying names or at least not starting with female.
Maybe part of it is that I'm gay, so I don't personally experience the whole men and women dating scene as much, but Jesus Christ like 95% of these people's issues in finding a relationship is terrible attitudes and poor hygene/grooming. It's bad enough in your self confidence and view of yourself to call yourself an Incel, but these dudes really be calling women 'female' as tho that isn't a blaring red flag towards women? You can be an absolute hunk and if you dehumanize women so openly and proudly, nobody is gonna want to interact with you, let alone BE WITH you. The one guy in the car, I can absolutely tell it's a confidence issue, and maybe a voice issue. He speaks with such a monotone, dreary, depressive tone, that someone isn't gonna want to get into bed with all that emotional baggage. You come out swinging "I'm a depressed loser and I hate myself", congradulations, you've doomed yourself to a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Yes, sign me up with self loathing and emotional baggage" said no person ever. Talk to a therapist my dude, get yourself out there and try to have friendships at the very least. Get to at least the having-friends stage of life. These guys probably think they're the goddamn elephant man with how they talk about themselves, but fail to realize how horrible they talk about women is the real reason they're perma-virgins. And quit jumping right into the sex shit? How about just bonding emotionally first?
no hasans reading was right, the pressures on women to suck it up and marry conservative men, not even just in this article but everyqhere where women come to choose living alone rather than marry a man below their standards, korea and japan are strugglimg with this too. power to the people idec anymore
I hate that involuntary celibacy as a concept is now associated with incels, because the baggage that incels have has really nothing to do with the involuntary celibacy itself. I consider myself lonely. I would say that I suffer from involuntary celibacy, but I do not resent women in any way. In fact, most of my friends are women. I was given many decent attributes, but the face was not one of them, and there is nothing to do about that. I have had a long term relationship in the past and I may have another in the future, who knows. I certainly do not have the level of human connection that I want, but that is not anyone's fault but mine (well, and society). One also has to play to their strenghts: I think I have never gotten a match back on Tinder out of maybe 300 requests send, but I do not have a problem getting people to like me when talking in person. So instead of getting depress because my physique is not meant for Tinder, it would be easier for me to meet people in real life (and this is where society fails me, because now a days, meeting people in person is so fucking hard, especially in the US where you have to go everywhere by car, there are not third places, etc. Absolutely awful to try to meet people in the US). But I plan to look for activities to do stuff, maybe I will meet people there, and maybe through those people I can meet more people and so on. There is always a way, if there is a will. P.S: By being so fucking weird, these men are making it harder for lonely men to not be attached labels automatically, which makes me actually quite unsympathetic towards them.
You can't change your face but you can change your physique. If you went to the gym and got a muscular build you'd be more attractive to some women than skinny/fat dudes with pretty faces. You can do it bro 👍
I've been telling men that aren't brain poisoned by the Internet normal guys look so good now, as long as they shower and aren't gross towards women they'll find a girlfriend np
"someone will need to compromise" LMAO. Why would anyone want to spend any time with someone who disagrees with them about basic human rights, much less everything else involved in polotics? I'd rather be alone than date a republican at this point tbh.
The article in the first part of the stream is literally infuriating. Why would anyone want to date someone who not only believes you shouldn't have rights but also thinks the ideal partner is a mute housekeeper they can sleep with at their convenience?? As a white woman (only bringing it up since it was the demographic specifically mentioned in the article), I can personally say that I've gone out with people like that (I only found out over the course of the date and immediately blocked them lol). And not only do these men make me genuinely fear for my safety while we're together, they're also incredibly draining to be around, even if you could somehow stomach listening to their rhetoric. Some of these men think their dogs deserve more rights than the women in their lives (love dogs but just to illustrate the point). The solution to this "issue" (which I personally think is overexaggerated at best) isn't for women to compromise and subject themselves to abusive marriages like our mothers and grandmothers were forced to. The real solution is for young men to step back and realize that women are human beings too. That the reason they can't get with any women is because they're vile scumbags. That women (and men! and everyone!) absolutely deserve a partner that supports you and generally treats you like a living, breathing person. I have dealt with the exact type of rhetoric presented in this article my entire life and it's insane to me that people are still presenting this take unironically in 2023. Anyway, rant over, but TLDR: men have understand the women are human beings, too, and treat them as such if they wanna get with a woman P.S.: don't call women "females" either. If I hear it I immediately start calling them "male" and the men tend to get pissy and stop :) highly recommend that tactic to other women!
So I know that polarization is a problem, but I hate when articles present this as people are avoiding being in relationships with others because of "opposing views" like its some personal vendetta or frivolous. Its not just opposing views, its your values. A conservative person is probably going to have very different values from a liberal one. Why would you want to be with someone who doesn't share the same values with you? I don't think we should be expected to put aside political beliefs as a deciding factor in who we date, because it is a very important thing. You can still be polite in public to people, but I don't see any reason to do that with someone if you're seeking a life partner. I see a lot of angry discourse from men online about women specifically sorting them out due to their politics, but why do these men want partners who don't have the same values? It just sounds like such a stressful and awful relationship where they would probably argue a lot. I would rather be alone than date someone on the right because we just don't have compatible moral values.
I'm just so tired of the "Just go to the gym" attitude. Why tf do I have to do that? What if I hate the gym? What if the gym isn't the motivation that makes me feel better about living with myself? Life is shit, why is the gym seemingly the only answer to so many people....
my brother in allah i only shower and i clear the bar you're fine :) it doesnt mean women will fall on your lap or some shit like that just be patient, do the right thing and an awesome person will stick around ;)
Everyone has insecurities, but the worst thing to do is designate them as caused by someone else. I do my best to maintain physical, mental, and emotional health, and you should too. Sure, I still have my moments where I am insecure, but so does everyone else. If you cannot be happy without a relationship you should not be in one until you can be.
My husbands nephew like Tate and the things he spews on social media is just disgusting… and yet he also try’s to push a Christian lifestyle 🤨 now he’s 19 and I’m hoping he will grow and learn but he’s also from Florida and graduated in the Florida education system and honestly, his dad (my husbands bro) kind of is pushing the ideology on him…. Now they aren’t abusive but they just have this idea of men and what their role should be…. Also, don’t get me started on their view on the lgbtq community.
I've been harassed online since I was in elementary school; I'm of the era where the internet came up, & this disturbing rhetoric is making things significantly worse for women/girls.
God damn lol it's insane that any dude thinks that women are asking for too much, or somehow being unreasonable. The bar is ridiculously low. I have met SO MANY WOMEN that are at the point where they're basically like "can I at least just get a guy that's nice to me? I don't even care if he sucks in every other way imaginable as long as he doesn't yell at me". I just cannot imagine having to lower my expectations that many times, nobody deserves that :/
Single and childfree women are WAY more happier than their married counterparts. The only group that comes close to that happiness is...married men. The loneliness epidemic for men is the fault of the manosphere/red-pill because women with a functioning brain and not a "pick me" attitude will never choose those men or any men.
Man.... I really don't get that kind of hate towards women. I haven't been laid in like a year and half and I don't resent them collectively for it. Fuck sake. I've never fucked a dog and I still love them. This whole subject is really bizarre to me. Just act normal and treat them as normal humans and you probably WILL get laid.
Capitalism and neoliberal austerity are pushing everyone down, but because men were promised more than they are getting (good job, house, car, etc), and women were promised less than they can currently get (basically being a slave that has children) it’s pushing those two genders in opposite directions. I guarantee that if you do this study along income brackets, it’s the people going from middle class childhood to lower class adulthood who are feeling it the most. People aren’t always aware of their backwards social mobility, but maybe it would help to explain .
@@Rob-Otter women have more rights now than they did. The institution of marriage wasn’t always the way it is now: women couldn’t leave, they couldn’t vote, they weren’t paid anywhere near equally and so often didn’t have the resources to run away. Not all saw it this way, but there was a time when wives were seen as property of their husband.
@@0ptimuscrime Dude, we just lost a huge chunk of our body rights, we lost our body rights thanks to wealthy powerful men, lie to yourself at night all you want, women are now oppressed thanks to the force-birthers.
Just going outside and talk to people. Pretend every person you see is a man, talk to woman as if they are a man. The key to being a reasonable person is knowing that woman are just people. We all start the same and are told by society how to act and as kids all we want to do is imitate what we see. That’s the only difference. There are assholes in all genders, there are good people in all genders. Just talk to someone of the opposite sex like they are a normal person.
36:21 THIS. lol sadly so true. wish those "incels" knew success with women has almost ZERO to do with looks and just about everything to do with approachability, mental health and social awareness.. the incels werent even ugly imo, so working on fitness or physical appearence will likely lead to absolutely no positive results with women.
Whenever a guy tells me that it's impossible to date the first question I have is always "are you a conservative?" Turns out that women don't want to date misogynists.
I know what hasan is saying is geared towards men but it’s motivated me to keep trying to better myself regardless of if I’m single or not. We all need to hear that stuff. We can all be a 7
@@axelotlee_ I think they have way more chances than zoomers. They are not the first to be raised fully digital. Zoomers were the first. If you think iPad kids didn’t exist 20 years ago you are not very bright. My step mom was raising my zoomer sister on her smartphone. Early smartphones, with internet connection. Baby is crying? Give her the phone. "Got games on your phone?" Is literally for zoomers. I think Alpha will be wilder than zoomers and that will benefit them in our current wild world. I imagine alpha kids are also already tired of everything digital. And if not, wait a few more years.
It’s wild how conservatives funnel this information to reach people like my very prudish mom, who instead of being appalled at the real info, is regurgitating new rhetoric that “men now are so scared to talk to women because of me too “😮 I’m a 10 who grew up with toxic conservative parents I’ve despised since I was young . They never believed how intense and pervasive sexual harassment was for me through the 2000s and beyond. It’s disgusting that these young men are becoming even more dangerous, they’ve been taught to believe masculinity is a be all end all that doesn’t include interests , feelings or deep conversations.
@@Hannah-zw9ownothing. But arrogance on the other hand is what drives all of these redpillers and incels. So this just seems like a repackage of those same toxicity but from the perspective of a female. This kinda seems like something a femcel like Pearly Things would write, that's probably a little bit of the reason why it rubbed some people the wrong way. Just my 2 cents.
Lol, interests and deep conversations? If you want to meet people with the same interests and have deep conversations you go to hobby groups, professional associations, or even to the internet. Nobody gets into a date because they want to share a deep conversation, people do it because they want to have s*x.
Honestly, I could date someone who disagrees with me ideologically and not have a problem. I could not, however, date someone who doesn't think I deserve rights lmao. Quite a bit of a difference there.
One thing that Hasan mentioned which is VERY important. Self improvement takes time. For some it can be 6 months of work & for some it can take 5 years. It depends on the person. You have to have patience & work on yourself. Self improvement doesn't mean just getting fit & grooming yourself properly, but it also means - 1) Developing hobbies that you enjoy & going to spaces where like minded individuals with the same hobbies as you gather. 2) Learning basic skills like cooking & cleaning that every adult should know. Being able to maintain proper hygiene. You don't need to be a chef or Marie Kondo but you should be able to do basic stuff. These are attractive traits. 3) Looking at women as equals. It's basic, but it's important. Read books about feminism with an open mind. Talk to other women & their experiences. Start with your family members if you're the most comfortable with them & then move on to making friends who are women without expecting anything physical or romantic in return. You don't have to agree with everything you read or hear, but just LISTENING can help. It makes you see the other side. The perspective that you won't get from other men. Developing empathy & being able to understand what someone is going through is very important. As I said, you don't have to agree with everything, but being open minded & TRYING to understand is the most beautiful aspect. 4) Treat everyone with respect. Like people in the service industry & regular people you interact with on a day to day basis. Every woman appreciates a respectful person. This doesn't mean you have to take shxt from everyone, but it just means being nice & kind. However, if someone messes with you, you're allowed to stand up for yourself. Learning to read the room is important. Again, this takes trial & error. You won't learn unless you go out there & start interacting with more people. 5) Seeking mental help. If you have even the slightest doubt that you're not doing well mentally, just seek help. It's okay. No woman out there will care if you seek help. 6) Confidence. This is key. You have to push yourself. You have to be ready to sometimes do something embarassing. It's part of the learning process. It's okay. The more you interact with people, the more confidence you gain. Trust me, after the initial fear is gone, you'll start to breeze through it. 7) Love yourself. Realise that you're a flawed human like everyone else & that's okay. It's You vs. You. The only goal is to do better than yesterday. You aren't up against anyone else but yourself. 8) Learn how to accept NO as an answer. Even after all your efforts, there might be people who aren't into you. That's normal. Even the most prettiest women & most handsome men have people who aren't interested in them. As hard as it is to believe, it's true. That doesn't decrease your worth as a person & that doesn't make the other person an a**hole. Sometimes it just be like that. 9) GET OUT OF INC3L SPACES. Like 100%. These are echo chambers. You'll keep reinforcing each other's toxic mindset & go deeper into this rabbit hole. The deeper you go the harder it is to come out. Many people form friendships within these communities & I understand that it's hard to let go of these spaces. We as humans wish to belong. However, you have to take this step. Cutting off people who are pulling you down is a tough, but it's important. It's a alot. Yes. However, take one step at a time. You don't have to do everything at once. You'll get there. Slow & steady wins the race afterall. Consistency & motivation is key. It's harder to put actual effort than to simply become an inc3l & blame women. That is the easy way out. It's an escape from introspecting & being productive. If you wish to wallow in your misery & direct your energy towards negativity then that's on you. No one can help you if you aren't willing to help yourself. That's the tough pill to swallow. PS. I'm not saying looking good & grooming yourself doesn't matter. It's important for first impressions but the rest depends on who you are as a person & how you treat others. Looking smart & dressing properly is a part of it: I really recommend looking into "K-POP boy groups airport looks" + following models to see what they wear for day to day activities for dressing inspirations. Plus, it takes time to figure out what kind of clothing & style fits your body type. A lot of trial & error. It's a process. You have to have patience. Be ready to make mistakes & take them in a stride.
I've never got the incels. I'm fat, introverted, depressed, had poor hygiene at times, been broke, and still gotten laid plenty. I've just given up on dating, not because of inability to find someone, I've just been cheated on too many times and decided it's not worth playing the lottery any more.
the difference between you and them is that incels are creepy and feel entitled to sex. that's honestly the main issue, is that they have abhorrent personalities
what introverted mean for you ? Can you have conversations with women, make them laugh ? Some people just can't really do that and will have huge difficulty just having a conversation, it's pretty comprehensible why they will not be able to date
To be honest, ive seen tons of guys in the incel community that have gotten/can get laid but theyre like you in where they dont trust women as a whole because of past negative experiences. Not saying thats you, just that instead of being just a bit jaded and have trust issues they take it further and hate women and become very toxic. I have trust issues myself but i dont go around seeing women as whores or anything as a whole. Thats where shit goes south. Had my ex best friend go down that rabbit hole and after so many years of it, i couldnt take it anymore
Most of these guys give off bad vibes and that's honestly why they're single. Also I'm a perpetually single woman with OCD but I never make it anyone else's fault that I have issues. Many women don't care one bit about height or even that much about looks. Many of these men need mental health treatment and I say that as someone who has been through mental health treatment myself. They are sabotaging themselves.
Let me ask you a question: how do you think a woman would be happy in a marriage in which she'd be called a murderer for having an abortion or for being pro-choice? Women aren't happier outside of marriage because they don't want men at all- they're happier with themselves for not putting up with garbage. I'm lucky to have the man that I do, otherwise I'd be happily single and not put up with the inbred rednecks surrounding me.
Yeah, because politics affects the lives of most people, and they don't have the luxury to ignore it. The status quo isn’t as protected socially as it was in the 50s or whenever the fuck you think this imagined ideal was real. What's changed is that people aren’t as afraid to talk about politics for fear of being ostracized, hurt, or killed.
It's not even possible anways nowadays to just say "men should work and women go to the kitchen". In late-stage capitalism this isn't possible when the man doesn't have a really well paying job.
The simple truth is exactly what he said. It really comes down to finding what works for YOU and changing things around until it sticks. You may see yourself as a 2 and think its over but with steady small changes you see its not the truth and that you appeal to a crowd and find your niche. Also personality goes a LONG ways more than you think. Its what saved me through my childhood and am super lucky to have found that out about myself at a younger age because I also struggled with how I looked (chronic cystic acne) But I grew into myself looks wise and found what style worked for ME. I am in my own lane and category and I cant tell you how many times my Giagchad looking friends are overlooked and I am sought after by the funny attractive people when you'd think they're the easy choice. You get your victories and take the L's everyone has their own taste and that someone may love yours.
Raymond looks like an absolutely normal dude. It’s not even about confidence it’s just like man get some hobbies there’s women who share those hobbies! Talk to them about those hobbies!
I once worked with a tater tot. He had a mantrum when I made a small joke about how he must like to do things the hard way because he picked the least efficient way to install something. He kicked me out of our work van with a little speech about how I asked too many questions and said he couldn’t work with a “female” anymore. It drives me crazy and it feels wrong how this internet bullshit has become real peoples personalities. It’s like they are no longer grounded to reality and instead just walk around waiting for someone to trigger them into a misogynistic rant they want you to think is “logical”. 🙄
Dude the feminists are NOT complaining about being single lmao. Why would anyone want to date someone who thinks you shouldn’t have human rights?
Yeah, i keep hearing that, and I'm like, where?
what human rights women dont have?
@@schmooplesthesecond5997 more like bodily autonomy.
Why would any woman date when there's like a 50/50 chance their bf will be abusive?
@@devinloew7681 unhinged
Step one to get women to pay attention to you: stop calling them female
Unironic advice
@tbohn10 I wrote this comment before I got to the point in the video where the guy calls a woman a "foid" and I would like to add that you should probably avoid using that phrase or any derivative of it as well
Being hot allows you to say whatever you want and never get home alone
@@tbohn10if they do only fans than understandable refer to them whatever u want girl or female but a woman that has respect that is a woman
I have nothing against this word. It's just the factual word in the vocabulary. ❤
The amount of times that kid said "female" is all you need to know about why women don't bother with guys like him lol. They act like it's hard to treat women as actual people. It's also kind of weird/pathetic they put so much focus on getting laid, there's so much more to life.
Thisssssss. Any guy who constantly refers to women as "females" gives me the ick. So dehumanising.
I honestly felt really bad for that kid, actually. His ideology is *abhorrent* but it very clearly comes from a place of deep-seeded emotional and mental pain. You can understand how a person in that kind of prolonged agony can lead them down these disturbing ideological rabbit holes. His words really didn't feel like they were filled with hate or malice, at least not intentionally; it was all hauntingly matter-of-fact. Like he's just accepted a hopeless reality and no longer sees it as a stance to take or a group to hate.
It's important to remember that the reason abhorrent ideologies like these are able to exist and proliferate, is because they prey on already vulnerable people. People who are already victims in some way. As such, it's important to feel some amount of sympathy and empathy for people who have been misled down this path. Even if we condemn them and the things they say and believe, they're all victims of a system that has made them feel unbelievably lonely and isolated, and that's why they are where they are now.
ur prolly the type who gives guys the ick too, if ur offended by such a lame thing. @@CateOwen
@@Stickarms99 I definitely agree; it's important to remember that people are primarily a product of their environment. There are millions of people that kinda suck because there was never a real opportunity for them to _not_ suck. I know we like to pretend that humans are rational and make decisions based on logic, but most of the time.. we don't. We go by feel.
P.S. surprisingly, the correct phrase is actually *_"deep-seated",_* not deep-seeded. I thought it was 'seeded' too 😂
(apparently _deep-seated_ had an original, literal meaning of "situated far below the surface", and then the metaphorical usage was derived from there. Words are so neat sometimes 🤗)
Sincerely hope you never have sex again
I'm definitely not conservative but I dated someone who listened to Andrew tate every once in a while, the relationship ended because I was sick of having to debate about biological sexes, gender, and female rights with my partner. He's meant to make me feel safe, not like an idiot.
Yeah it's an entire market designed to prey on young men's insecurities.
the fastest way to stop me from being interested in talking to any guy is when they start having debates on gender and try to force me to justify the worth of all women (and lgbt+ ppl) I'm not interested. just be normal.
I gave a guy a chance because he said he was a feminist and that he wasn't conservative. Turns out he didn't believe in vaccines and continuously referred to me as "little girl" even after I asked him not to do that because it was weird and patronizing. Didn't take long for me to realize we would never get along because he refused to compromise.
Why did you go to a date with someone like that? (Just curious)
@@j-1698 probably because you don't what somebody is like before you meet them. Its not like this guy handed her a Resume and she called references
5:29 it is insane that someone thinks it's within the realm of reasonable to marry someone who views you as subhuman. So much so, they vote for legislation that actively harms you. While crying at dogs dying in movies. The Gaul
Literally struggling with this right now. My boyfriend just voted entirely republican and I voted democratically, but I’m like wtf? You want to keep people in office that are actively seeking to harm me? And we have two daughters. But he’s also got me trapped financially and is emotionally unavailable to a ridiculous extent and I just need to get hired somewhere and get out. More and more of my gut is telling me to get out and go be happy and cared about. 😢
@@Stephaniemickleoh man I hope you get out of that situation soon!! Best of luck, that sounds awful
@@Stephaniemicklei hope you leave him! stay safe and take care of your babies!
@@Stephaniemicklewoof, Sorry about your situation, bad enough being trapped but with children in the mix that makes it 100x more complicated.
@@Stephaniemickle please reach out to your local DSA chapter, women's services, etc. this is too public a media for me to ask anything about where you are and such and offer more direct tips, but there are resources to help you navigate this part of your life.
The DV hotline (I am not saying you are being physically abused) is a good first number to just explain your situation outloud to someone.
Domestic Shelters DOT org is good for national directory
Your local DSA chapter should be familiar with city, country, state, and federal services that can help you, or refer you to another chapter.
You are not alone in this experience and don't have to figure this out alone.
“Do your parents know you’re an incel” is such a wild question
It’s basically “does your mom know you don’t get laid?” 😂
Before Tate: Lost and depressed
After Tate: Found meaning and became enlightened
After Tate: hates themselves more, hates women for no reason, and hates other men and insults them as well. @@TurtleChad1
Also, incels: uses Tate as an excuse to avoid working on their lack of social skills. @@TurtleChad1
I apologize for my bluntness. I do care about incels and folks who are struggling with social skills, much compassion to them, it is hard to fit into social norms. @@TurtleChad1
@@biteofdogdoesn't sound so bad
41 year old cis male who deals with mental instability, paranoia, depression, all kinds of problems and yet I've been in a stable marriage for 13 years. It really just takes adjusting your relationship goals just like life goals and many of these young men have been conditioned to be entitled, greedy, and just down right disrespectful to women.
Bro said as a cis man, then follows up with an array of mental issues lol sounds about right 😂😂
Yup. Survived 15 years of human trafficking and 2 years serving in the U.S. Military .. many facets of my life are factors of statistics but not very funny.@@wgvader8295
Congrats on 13 years! That's awesome!!
Appreciate that podnuh. I largely attribute it to her amazing patience and kindness. @@mars3168
congrats on the Love :3
Some of these incels: why don't women like me??
These incels: women are made to be assaulted and you should only be interested in 12-year-olds
I’m so glad I found Hasan when I did, I’m 21 now I’m a white male and I found him during 2020 during the election and he helped me see things from a perspective I haven’t before. I’m glad I didn’t go down the Tate rabbit hole like I see so many of my younger brothers friends do
What I found was that the only thing getting in my way was myself. 90% was my own fear of being hurt from opening up to someone. These guys need to learn to open their hearts and be okay with being hurt. If you aren't putting yourself in a position where the other person can reject you for who you are then aren't being authentic enough to be successful. You need to just be yourself and that means opening oneself up to true rejection and true pain. There are only two outcomes you get hurt and you get over it or you find real happiness. If you try to avoid the potential for pain you will never find the person who will love you for you.
He is an agent. Doing propaganda to confuse you. Tate also. 2 sides of the same coin. So better be careful who you trust, or whos ideas you accept.
@@markohehe6620 Why is it that you think a man would only be able to relate to women through violence and objectification? Why would he be so focused on gaining male approval and male money? The patriarchy isn't your friend, bro. It's telling you to blame women for your problems while they fleece your pockets.
@@WynneL Can you tell me where did i wrote anything of what you just said?
My point is... Hasan and Tate are both agents, working for the rich. duhhh
You need a jab of testosterone 😂
make no mistake if it wasn't Andrew Tate it would have been someone else... the problem is deeper than Tate.
Very true. Look at the majority of comments on this video perpetuating that nonsense.
Exactly. Even if Tat Tot didn't exist, someone would've spewed the same bullshit ideas onto younger people eventually.
true but he's responsible for how widespread that become. the rest of the misogynistic influencer bunch kinda imitate him a lot
It is true but Tate was quite effective at spreading his shit. Sadly.
The absolute state of male role models in the world.
Watching my straight woman friend try to date in this era has finally made me believe that straightness isn't a choice. It's fucking brutal.
sexuality was never a choice, why would anyone WANT to be with a man these days? the bar is truly in hell and we’re better off staying single
No wonder being gay has become a problem
But one thing I hate is when a girl sleeps around she’s a hoe but when the guy does it he’s praised let’s be honest if the girl that sleeps around is labelled degenerate doesn’t that make the guy degenerate aswell a guy needs a degenerate girl to sleep with and say this guy meets a girl at a club and his intentions r to take a girl home with him then he’s most likely done it before with other girls which makes him no different to the girls that do hookups there degenerate aswell goes both ways but men nowadays wanna be delusional
I have a homosexual friend and he hangs out with a straight coworker, and i remember when his coworker mentioned hearing my friend talk with his husband on the phone over the past few months and got a bit of a shock at how my friend is always happy when he's talking with his husbo
I see so many straight people think its genuinely normal to spend a large part of their relationships arguing and disagreeing with their partners
Its just a thing i noticed between people who love those they actually love, compared to those who do it just so they can have a partner
I personally have began taking a break from dating as a whole because its shockingly stressful and exhausting. Not that they're bad people or anything, but there's a LOT of commitment involved
Why tf would you ever believe straightness is a choice 😂😂😂😂
Incels act like women are the problem, but I've had male friends and boyfriends that will see a hot woman with a plain guy and say "she's with *THAT?*"
And it's like, you're eating your own. Men can look any way but since we tend to look for a long term partner, we value humour, kindness, comfort, and stability over muscles and jawlines.
But just as much as we see hot women with plain guys we see hot women delusioned by outright manipulative, overly masculinized, unlikable douchebags, and some are even proud of it. It is scientifically proven that there lies a massive cognitive dissonance between what EITHER sexes SAY they want, and what they intrinsically desire. The issue lies with women mistaking things like cockiness. manipulation and douchebaggery for strength and confidence.
I think that only makes it more frustrating for men because attractive women that they want will date guys less physically attractive than them and so it just begs the question ‘what’s wrong with me?’ And it continues the spiral
@@claytonschopfer8467 Sure, but that's a great first step for anyone: Assess your faults and acknowledge your positives, then put in the work to grow the areas where you feel you're lacking. Big buff hot dudes not getting girls might mean they need to work on their conversational skills or expand their interests into things that pretty girls would appreciate.
@@claytonschopfer8467 I see so much immaturity in the incel community. "Seeing hot girls that they want'. First of all women are whole human beings. It takes time to actually find out if someone is a good match. When it comes to long term relationships you should want someone because you genuinely like them.
Second viewing them as sex objects and a prize to be won is very toxic and it's what keeps you mad when someone "lesser" is dating an attractive woman. Maybe they are dating because they love each other? Find someone who has similarities with you, shares the same values etc. You will get used to your partner's looks pretty fast. The glue that keeps two people together is not looks.
Growing up when and where I grew up, that was very much a bigender thing. People are just extremely shallow as a rule.
Why would I marry someone who doesn't think I am a full person with autonomy?
You’re making the mistake in thinking you’d have any day. Under the red pill, manosphere view women are property, LGBTQ doesn’t exist and I guess everyone just drop ships and buys from each other and whips about in Bugattis
Wapo glosses over how consrvative men are more likely to abuse female partners and women know it. Women shouldn't be expected to "compromise" on that. Men are not entitled to sex.
Recently I was trying to explain to my brother in law why my teenage terminally online daughter is terrified of boys. She def on the straighter end of the spectrum, but guys terrify her. Plus she’s also short and petite, and feels vulnerable anyways, but the last few years has made her increasingly scared of interacting with guys. She wants to date but has felt unable to bc she’s not attracted to girls. Recently she told me she wishes she could meet a trans boy, it’s like she feels like that’s the safest way to date within her preferences, which is boys. My oldest niece who identifies as bi but is more attracted to guys, decided to only date women and is now in a committed relationship with a girl bc she thinks guys are all trash. Like we get into debates where I try and break through the disgust she has for most guys. My middle niece found a great bf and when I was telling her how much I liked him, she told me she was shocked that there were guys like him. Her exact words were I didn’t know guys like him actually existed. And my nieces were raised with prob the best father I’ve ever met. Literally dude is a saint. But even still they have this incredibly pessimistic view of guys.
I was slightly similar like your niece. I didn't have many male friends, and my connection with women was simply conversational. Before junior high I was in school where I was the only girl in class. Though there was no fear in me, I just found myself befriending boys. Albeit P.E. wasn't the most fun especially in heart of winter.
I thought I was lesbian when I was very young, but I don't even find women attractive. Being lesbian then was only to push the sexual frustration out, but I never cared for a single female I got to know like that. Fortunately I only had my lesbian time solely through internet, never catfished or anything, just pushed frustration out.
Over time I stopped thinking I was lesbian, because I felt attracted to guys.
Women are trying to will themselves into being sapphic just to find love because they don't want to date men/are scared of them. Whew chile it truly is rough for straight people out here. We really need places where people can just hang out with, not date, people of the opposite sex. No stakes, no string attached, just get to know each other. Having more cross sex friendships would go a long way I feel
Take away her phone and get her outside
@@lauralvw8445 Never have kids.
I think a huge part of the problem is that men keep telling women we’re blowing things out of proportion and that men aren’t so bad instead of holding each other accountable.
Your daughter may not have had any awful personal experiences of her own (that you know of), and the internet may have made her feel more fear than she needs to, but dating really is a dangerous game for women. She has a 1 in 3 chance of experiencing abuse via a partner at some point in her lifetime…to say nothing of the statistics around casual encounters with men in public or on dating apps. And in my experience most of the women that know how to avoid these situations learned the hard way, through personal experience and years of unpacking trauma.
She doesn’t have to date to be a fulfilled person, so why take the risk? If men are so great, why are they so hell bent on taking away our bodily autonomy? Who can blame the young women in your family for looking at the Tate wannabes in her class, see her odds of successfully finding a partner without being brutalized, and feeling hesitant?
I say this as a woman in a relationship with a male feminist - most men are capable of so much more than they are willing to do. And women are tired of it. We’re wiping our hands clean of it. We’re not willing to make it our problem anymore, and young women are building off the stories and experiences of their predecessors.
My unsolicited advice is that you shouldn’t be telling the young women in your life how to feel about men. Stop trying to break through the “disgust” - that’s not your place. If your daughter is straight and truly worried/heartbroken she may never find a partner, reassure her that she has plenty of time to figure that out, find her a female therapist and let THEM work through how she should feel.
These men are projecting their inability to see past physical appearance onto women as a whole and it’s very painful to hear them talk through it. They are unable to fathom that many people develop past the point of judging the value of a person solely based upon their appearance. They truly do not see an issue with the way they talk about themselves and their fellow humans, and fail to realize just how reductive and thought-terminating the conversation often is.
Well put, 100% agree.
At this point i feel like if not a single woman wants to be associated or date you its a fault in yourself, I'm a mother fucking autistic guy with extreme social anxiety and even I somehow manage better in the dating scene than these people. Womans standards are so low man, just dont be a predator or say something violently racist or sexist and you're there. Guys seriously, it should not be this hard, if you're finding yourself on the incel pipeline just reflect on actions you took in those situations and try to empathise with the people you interacted with, keep your head up, you're not entitled to a specific person but if you make an effort into your appearance and social skills you will find it is much easier than you think to find someone interested in you. You can do it! Don't hyperfocus on 1 person if you know they're not into you move on and look forward
thanks man!
It's so weird how these guys are like "yeah you'll never get a partner, because these wh*res just want your money and you gotta be a buff chad and whatever" and meanwhile my bf is just chilling and telling me about his special interest planes for two hours, as he has for the past five years lmao
yes indeed!
i had an ex in in spectrum but somehow he's just kind and nice. He had social anxiety too. He's respect me and defend me the best he could. we just broke up in good terms because it's hard to manage long distance relationship for him, and i respect that.
but these guys... geez they need to touch the grass... no i think more than that!
I'm autistic and I literally had to teach myself how to understand other people and relate to them because that didn't come with my operating system. But I did and now I have dozens of friends and a boyfriend. How are you gonna find a gf if you spend all your time in male only women hating communities? You'd have better luck finding for vegans while looking exclusively at steakhouses. The elites don't want you to know this but the more women you know the more likely you are to find one that likes you back
Nah
I have hooked up with autistic men, I've hooked up with nerdy men, I've hooked up with awkward men. If they were kind to me and made me laugh and treated me with respect, that's what mattered. Men who were rude, demeaning, disrespectful, violent, unhygienic, etc were the ones I avoided. It's really not that hard to figure out.
I hope it's not a hot take and have no issues with marriage but I just wish it wasn't a default goal for everyone to strive for. For so many people they imagine their future marriages from when they are children and I find it kind of sad. There are so many out there who are married because it's just what we're supposed to do or else you're seen either as a threat, weird, or will 'die alone'. For every happy marriage there are probably an equal amount of people who are just seeking normalcy and want to be able to afford a house, or need someone decent to have children with. I don't even think marriage will be a thing in a couple of hundred years as technology increases.
Again, I have no problem with marriage I just wish it wasn't everyone's default goal! I will admit though that I despise wedding culture.
This isn't so much about marriage but about relationship in general. People can no longer form relationship due to commodification of sex as a social status!!!
Honestly you're very right and I'm of the opinion that making marriage and kids the absolute goal has done a lot of damage. Folks, especially men, are so singularly focused on finding a relationship that they neglect all other relationships and end up putting the entire weight of their emotional needs on their partner.
What a donkey comment. What does technological advancement have anything to do with love? Why do you care what everyones goals are? Focus on yourself, live alone with cats no one cares. People don't get married because they feel like its the next step in life, they do it because they found love. Maybe you have internal trauma, are sad and alone, and see everyone around you start families, and are projecting your bitterness on others.
i agree. many people are just not made for long term commitment, and yet they're told marriage is a requirement. so they get married, then they cheat, and hurt the people around them
Yeah I live in Louisiana and. Every single girl from my graduating class has twoo kids by 25.bpeople need to chill
That screeching is what real masculinity sounds like
That’s facts it is
It’s what man babies sound like
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Yeah because Andrew Tate has lowest sperm and testosterone count 😂
If someone did not have that reaction to that material , I would be deeply concerned
I'm so tired of romance being politicized and men talking about women like we're an alien species. Guys, being born with a vag doesn't automatically give pretty privilege. Many of us are just as weird, awkward, and unattractive as you. Society just puts a lot more pressure on us to find ways to compensate for that even as young children.
Also, the dating scene is pretty trash for everyone right now and it's just as soul-crushing (with the added bonus of being severely life-threatening) when you're a straight FEMALE. More of us are single and celibate than you guys realize or are willing to accept. We just aren't making a big fuss about it because, more often than not, being single results in a more fulfilling and stress-free life than the alternative. Like, nearly all of us would happily choose to be a crazy old cat lady than spend life as some misogynist/tatertot's trophy, camwh*re, c*mdumpster, punching bag, baby factory, or stay-at-home slave.
Society doesn't think emotional intelligence or introspection is manly and continues to manufacture this gender divide that creates a mass mental health crisis for men and encourages the abuse of women. Until that changes, you can bet more women (not just liberal feminists) will continue to quietly bow out of the game rather than "suck it up".
Exactly haha, a lot of women are still single and virgin. We just dont make it our personality.
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Around the "women peak at 12" comment. This is something that most women KNOW men think. It's so so common for being harassed on the street to significantly decrease in adulthood.
I was always honked at when walking up to the corner store at age 12-14. This absolutely stopped once I was visibly over 18. So many women have similar experiences And it's absolutely disgusting.
But don't you think this is also because young girls are less likely to defend themselves towards a grown man? And these men are simply looking for a way to secure their "masculinity", not for a serious interaction. A woman fighting back would destroy that experience. They would feel less powerful. Just a guess.
Can confirm, as a woman :( very scary & depressing
@@Kako279 I'm failing to see how this makes any difference to what I said. Reasoning is still just as gross and still predatory? Still an adult being inappropriate with a child. I was almost abducted on the same street doing the same walk to the store.
@@Kako279 tbh I don't think stuff like catcalling 12 yo has anything to do with young people being easier to manipulate and is more men making sure girls/femmes "know their place". That they know their bodies are objects that exist for people's pleasure who are higher up than them in the hierarchy and that their own feelings about that objectification is irrelevant
As an intersex... can confirm as well. Been sa'ed by them as well and now men with big beards give me PTSD flashes till this day.
If anyone here is confused like the chat was, “visibly autistic” means you’re unable to mask your autism and basically everyone you meet will be able to tell that you’re autistic.
i feel bad for this kid dude. he's not an incel at all, he's completely deluded himself into thinking it's all just 'banta'. he had a ridiculously hard time making any friends, and now that he's actually found a group that doesn't reject him, he's piss terrified of having no friends again so he's convinced himself 'they don't mean it'.
The Quartering is married. there's no excuse to be an incel
The problem with kids like this is even though idiots like Tate the grifting may seem obvious but the thing is guys this young don't know any better. Their desperate for someone to tell what they need to do and their too naïve to realize this kind mentality is going to make them less attractive to girls in the long run. Which in turn will lead to a terrible dating life as they enter adulthood which makes them more bitter. A cycle self-perpetuating at that point. Also since a lot of them lack self-evaluation skills they usually just end up blaming woman for not wanting them in the first place. Having said that I do feel the majority of guys don't fall for this or at least grow out of it. But their is definatley a subset of young men that this can be an issue with.
"Their desperate for someone to tell what they need to do and their too naïve to realize this kind mentality is going to make them less attractive to girls in the long run."
Ohhhh I wonder why they are desperate for somebody to tell them what they need to do... it's almost like there's an entire education system, and by extension, market system, that turns otherwise intelligent and curious beings into obedient slaves...
(I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just frustrated at how much shit could be better)
@@Cherryblossoms110 No I agree, the educational systems especially have done a terrible job at dealing with online influences of vulnerable young men and are doing a worse job dealing with the core issues that make them seek out and be so easily influenced by online grifters in the first place. The fact so many of them are lost in the first place is not something that should be ignored.
@@Cherryblossoms110 if only they taught marx in high school
@@gwell2118 And yet it will continue to be ignored, masculinity demonized, and scumfuck Tate will grow stronger still. Things are going to get way worse before they get better.
wow, you really have a degree in yapping
In the news in montreal, they did a show with journalists etc about this subject. About how teachers and parents are having a hard time dealing with the rise of mysoginistic boys being influenced by males like Andrew tate. Boys in primary school AND highs school. I work in schools too and its worrisome. Girls dont evennwant to deal with boys because of this.
If the media is seriously talking about this, it means that goverments will have no choice to do something about this and intervene.
We are. Every day in classes, we try to have talks about things like this and push back against a lot of the more insidious views kids have, even the more innocent ones that are only slightly tied to this line of thinking.
The problem is we are a few voices they hear for part of their week. The rest of their lives is spent bombarded by this stuff. Sometimes you can have a noticeable effect on someone, but not always.
It happens to adults too, when you spend too much time online. It's just with kids it's supposed to be the parents making sure the kids aren't so terminally online. But alas...
The issue is that to take andrew tate-like figures out from social media platforms would mean forcing social media companies to properly enforce their codes of conduct and there's no way to do that other than nationalizing them. And that's just not going to happen unfortunately.
You legit have women online for years saying all men should die lol you cant complain now when you didnt care about that its not an issue of the last 4 years its an ongoing 15 year issue. That will only get worse for multiple reasons all of the current 30--45 year old women may not get a man so no family or they may end up being a single mother and we know single mothers create all the crazy kids from all the stats published which in turn creates more crazy people. We see all the issues for men from 15 years ago to the next 15 and in the next 30 years we will see all the issues for women some already began from like 8 years ago to the next 30 years. But it only gets spoken about when it starts hurting women which will begin soon and men will be blamed but a lot of men already gave up so the snowball begins to degeneracy.
@@Rob-OtterFeminism has been around since 1900 and is a literal scientific field that's extremely complex. Tate and his fans are a Internet-Trend that emerged in the past years. Do you really think that those movements are equal?
I hate it when this kind of opinion pieces say shit like "when they consider religion or politics to be part of their identity", like none of those things are related to values, like there isn't a clear diference between what one side thinks compared to the other. You bet your ass I wouldn't be caught dead sharing a drink with a potential partner if the think that food and shelter are not universal rights and discriminate openly on anyone different. It shows a clear lack of empathy and generosity and that's not something I want to spend my life tolerating.
As a xennial raised on limbaugh this has always been a problem we have to solve, & as a disinformation researcher your mockery of these clowns is 100% on point. We just need more funding to beat them and i sure wish that soros money was actually real lol
Ew do you mean rush Limbaugh? My dad used to listen to that shit so disgusting
Wtf is a xennial bruh either you born 97 up or you born 97 down. Homie like “I need a label for everything 🤓”
You don't need more funding. It's not about money. All that needed to be done was to stop demonizing men and trivializing men's issues. If men/boys were actually shown even an once of compassion in the last decade Tate would not have had such a easy time capturing the minds of the youth. Even now libs and conservative still attack the wrong thing and ignore the issues and men and boys. Basically giving Tate and his scumbag brethren even more power.
@vexial97 there's a label for everything wdym 💀💀💀
@@vexial12 bet you never heard of a zillennial either
Bro that gym guy makes me sad, he's SO close. SO close it's just that little boost he needs, just some homies, some support
He don't need homies.
@@Rob-Otter just some compassion and encouragement
@@Rob-Otter ahhh gotcha my b
as a survivor of pdf files for most of my childhood starting at infancy for 7 years, then others as a teenager, and grapes as an adult, plus more.. the 12 year old piece killed me. That's a little kid in middle school. Some haven't had their . yet. females is a way that expresses a gender without necessarily age, whereas girl, woman, person, kid, man, guy, boy, have a relatively agreed upon range in society. It seems small but language is important. Manipulation of language can be so much more powerful than you'd think. (If you want a book/audiobook that goes more in-depth, I recommend Cultish by Amanda Montell.)
TH-cam is helping no one with their excessive language and vocab restrictions.
thank you for sharing this comment i will check out the book. have a good day
@@kittygoesWOOF yt restrictions are actually insane "talking about your terrible traumas to possibly help people understand/ help others that lived similar shit find comfort ? fuck no :). Threaten someone of the most disgusting shit with a little racial insult ? hell yeah :)"
I have sadly been in a relationship with someone who was part of the incel group. To me the scary part was that he seemed normal. He even went as far as calling himself a feminist. But he was still in those groups and what has been shared there was terrible. When I started to ask more questions about specific topics I was simply disgusted. I feel like p'dophilia is openly promoted there. This is one of the main topics I have gotten from those groups. Those men are incredibly lonely and they found themselves some "friends" within those groups.
I really really wish I would have never met this person.
If you were in a relationship with them he wasn't an incel
@@painunending4610 I don't wanna display too much on here but he was still involuntary celibate in the relationship 😬.
@@leak3699 then he wasn't in a relationship with you
@@ФёдорФёдоров-м6б for sure he was lol
My buddy went like 10 years solo, thinking he would never get a date again. Now been in a relationship for a couple years as happy as can be after doing the bare minimum, just put himself out there and started taking care of himself better.
The main issue is that those guys think they can pull super models and think Margot Robbie is average. They're basically the male equivalent of the women who require a 6 foot tall, 6 figure income man and offer nothing in return.
Yay!
I do love how when you say it there' 0 way anyone can discredit this as an anecdote, unlike anything that ever contradicts this.
I really appreciate what Hasan had to say. Its hard for everyone. Many of us women can also sympathize to untealistic beauty standards too. Love your self enough to work on yourself and you will find your community. ❤
Says the female
@@LopezzT you don't think females have to face unrealistic expectations for beauty and acceptance? Very 12 year old response.
@@LopezzTso you're not gonna believe anything anyone genuinely says because your biases keep you from that, got it
The difference is that ugly girls still get laid while ugly guys are assigned to a life of Nazism
@@sassysince90Everyone does. Look at all the 'actors' juiced up on steroids. Why make it a gender thing?
The thing I never hear mentioned in the higher education thing is that men have more options in the trades. I will never be a welder, plumber, or do construction because they’re male dominated fields, and in male dominated fields I will face way more misogyny than I do now. Why would I volunteer to be treated like ass? So I don’t have a choice but to get a higher education if I want to get a decent job AND be treated like a human.
Also why men make way more $. Every needs a house made nobody needs a lecture about gender studies.
It should just make sense though. It's not like the mainstream left and right are disagreeing on the minutiae of policy. One side believes there are systematic problems that need to be fixed and the other doesn't acknowledge that those things exist.
or, they think the only problems are that we let too many of the wrong type of people in charge or in the country or whatever
@@dangerousd1312 neoliberalism, basically
@@dangerousd1312because they don't exist. You're not oppressed. Get over it
@@Sting02-ko4efnot oppressed, exploited*
I use to believe that before women lost a huge chunk of their body rights to men. Now I know who clearly wants to address issues and those who do not. Those who have empathy for others and those who do not.
Raymond is a clear example of a man who is hindered not by physical looks but by demeanor. If he looked more positive and more confident, he would be so much more attractive.
Not only he has a better definition than many men, but his face is not bad, and he has quite a lot of hair. All he really needs to do is to get more witty in conversations and smile more and he will easily jump 2 levels.
The good thing for Raymond is that those are things that can also be trained, so good luck, my dude.
Exactly, it’s a mind set they get stuck in, blaming women instead of taking accountability for their own isolating actions.
'Jump 3 levels'
It's so funny to me when people who aren't incels reinforce incel ideas
Attractiveness isn't a hierarchy friend
I really like the way dating is changing. I think it’s leveling the playing field and making people realize they should only date people who they get along with.
The primal screeching in the beginning 😭
Honestly the Hasan dating advice is super helpful to me. He understands what it’s like to be a man and how frustrating it can be sometimes, but how to handle it maturely and become a better person and also achieve the goals you set out for yourself
Big props for the vulnerability - it likely helps more than the victim mentality so many take on. Totally relate and support the idea of embracing agency and being committed to putting your best foot forward everyday.
if you cant be happy without a partner you will not be happy with a partner.
This is as true for men as for women.
if you want someone to share your life with you than you should create a life for yourself that is worth sharing. have hobbies, do things you enjoy, be a happy and whole person who treats others with kindness. if you arelonely, then engage in hobbies that are done with a group and find people who share your interests. If you do this, you will not need romantic partner to be happy, and yet that is when you will find someone who is attracted to who you have become.
Very well said!
this is something I don’t think many people understand. when you have a positive self image, or can at least regulate your own emotions and self image pretty effectively on your own, you won’t feel desperate to be in a relationship with someone because you’re not seeking validation from them. and then you’ll probably meet the right person and you will get along better than if you were an insecure, self loathing, emotionally needy partner.
Well said! I agree wholeheartedly.
Finally, someone with common sense!
That's bs and you know it. The only people who say this bs are people who are in relationships aor had a bunch of relationships in the past
I feel bad for guys like Raymond. They’ll find someone eventually. But it shouldn’t be understated how hard it can be for people who are possibly on the spectrum, have social anxiety, and just struggle to communicate. That’s not easy to overcome. For some it’s actually impossible to fix that because it’s a hidden disability. And when that’s the case it severely limits the dating pool for them. Incels focus so much on the physical attractiveness but in reality it truly is their outward personality that holds them back. And for some people like Raymond that can actually be really difficult to change.
I understand what you're saying but... there are plenty of women who are also on the spectrum, have social anxiety and struggle to communicate. There are equal matches for everyone.
@@NeccoWeccoyep im on the spectrum and have issues communicating (especially my emotions) effectively when I’m interested in someone. But i learned to adapt where i can and not put the blame on others. That’s why i have trouble sympathizing for incels bc alot of them do not want to put in any effort
Exactly! Speaking as a conventionally attractive woman with crippling depression and anxiety that makes the most basic human interaction excruciating. I finally found the right medication, diet, and exercise regimen to overcome these lifelong setbacks and actually make friends and hold a high stress, very public job. With all that said, I gravitate toward/prefer guys like Raymond. When I notice an obvious lonely person struggle socially, I feel a bond and it strikes a curiosity about who they are. I am highly suspicious of socially skilled people. At best I find them boring.
@@NeccoWeccothis is true but you can’t deny it takes a lot more work and severely limits your dating pool, which sucks.
@@Hannah-zw9owThey're not denying it. They're just literally pointing out autistic women have the same issues and no one gives a fuck because society is so focused on assuaging men's egos. It's annoying af when autistic men are used as pity tools as if autistic women don't face the same fucking challenges.
They’re all like “hello female” and then when woman don’t like them they’re like “why don’t foids like me?”. Bro, just start by saying names or at least not starting with female.
“Are any of you dating?“
“Nar” “nar” “NAR” “nar”
Maybe part of it is that I'm gay, so I don't personally experience the whole men and women dating scene as much, but Jesus Christ like 95% of these people's issues in finding a relationship is terrible attitudes and poor hygene/grooming. It's bad enough in your self confidence and view of yourself to call yourself an Incel, but these dudes really be calling women 'female' as tho that isn't a blaring red flag towards women? You can be an absolute hunk and if you dehumanize women so openly and proudly, nobody is gonna want to interact with you, let alone BE WITH you.
The one guy in the car, I can absolutely tell it's a confidence issue, and maybe a voice issue. He speaks with such a monotone, dreary, depressive tone, that someone isn't gonna want to get into bed with all that emotional baggage. You come out swinging "I'm a depressed loser and I hate myself", congradulations, you've doomed yourself to a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Yes, sign me up with self loathing and emotional baggage" said no person ever. Talk to a therapist my dude, get yourself out there and try to have friendships at the very least. Get to at least the having-friends stage of life.
These guys probably think they're the goddamn elephant man with how they talk about themselves, but fail to realize how horrible they talk about women is the real reason they're perma-virgins. And quit jumping right into the sex shit? How about just bonding emotionally first?
no hasans reading was right, the pressures on women to suck it up and marry conservative men, not even just in this article but everyqhere where women come to choose living alone rather than marry a man below their standards, korea and japan are strugglimg with this too. power to the people idec anymore
I hate that involuntary celibacy as a concept is now associated with incels, because the baggage that incels have has really nothing to do with the involuntary celibacy itself.
I consider myself lonely. I would say that I suffer from involuntary celibacy, but I do not resent women in any way. In fact, most of my friends are women.
I was given many decent attributes, but the face was not one of them, and there is nothing to do about that. I have had a long term relationship in the past and I may have another in the future, who knows. I certainly do not have the level of human connection that I want, but that is not anyone's fault but mine (well, and society).
One also has to play to their strenghts: I think I have never gotten a match back on Tinder out of maybe 300 requests send, but I do not have a problem getting people to like me when talking in person. So instead of getting depress because my physique is not meant for Tinder, it would be easier for me to meet people in real life (and this is where society fails me, because now a days, meeting people in person is so fucking hard, especially in the US where you have to go everywhere by car, there are not third places, etc. Absolutely awful to try to meet people in the US).
But I plan to look for activities to do stuff, maybe I will meet people there, and maybe through those people I can meet more people and so on.
There is always a way, if there is a will.
P.S: By being so fucking weird, these men are making it harder for lonely men to not be attached labels automatically, which makes me actually quite unsympathetic towards them.
You can't change your face but you can change your physique. If you went to the gym and got a muscular build you'd be more attractive to some women than skinny/fat dudes with pretty faces. You can do it bro 👍
You sound like a keeper. Good luck ❤
I relate, I'm glad you posted this comment❤
If guys are becoming too incel for girls that just means less competition for me😎💲💲
andrew tate fans don’t realize how much more guys like you are attractive to girls😭
Look! I found one! Thank you Andrew!
Go and stunt on these bros,Tiger!
for real the dating pool is curved heavily towards normal guys thanks to the Andrew Taint
I've been telling men that aren't brain poisoned by the Internet normal guys look so good now, as long as they shower and aren't gross towards women they'll find a girlfriend np
"someone will need to compromise" LMAO. Why would anyone want to spend any time with someone who disagrees with them about basic human rights, much less everything else involved in polotics? I'd rather be alone than date a republican at this point tbh.
The article in the first part of the stream is literally infuriating. Why would anyone want to date someone who not only believes you shouldn't have rights but also thinks the ideal partner is a mute housekeeper they can sleep with at their convenience?? As a white woman (only bringing it up since it was the demographic specifically mentioned in the article), I can personally say that I've gone out with people like that (I only found out over the course of the date and immediately blocked them lol). And not only do these men make me genuinely fear for my safety while we're together, they're also incredibly draining to be around, even if you could somehow stomach listening to their rhetoric. Some of these men think their dogs deserve more rights than the women in their lives (love dogs but just to illustrate the point). The solution to this "issue" (which I personally think is overexaggerated at best) isn't for women to compromise and subject themselves to abusive marriages like our mothers and grandmothers were forced to. The real solution is for young men to step back and realize that women are human beings too. That the reason they can't get with any women is because they're vile scumbags. That women (and men! and everyone!) absolutely deserve a partner that supports you and generally treats you like a living, breathing person. I have dealt with the exact type of rhetoric presented in this article my entire life and it's insane to me that people are still presenting this take unironically in 2023.
Anyway, rant over, but TLDR: men have understand the women are human beings, too, and treat them as such if they wanna get with a woman
P.S.: don't call women "females" either. If I hear it I immediately start calling them "male" and the men tend to get pissy and stop :) highly recommend that tactic to other women!
So I know that polarization is a problem, but I hate when articles present this as people are avoiding being in relationships with others because of "opposing views" like its some personal vendetta or frivolous. Its not just opposing views, its your values. A conservative person is probably going to have very different values from a liberal one. Why would you want to be with someone who doesn't share the same values with you? I don't think we should be expected to put aside political beliefs as a deciding factor in who we date, because it is a very important thing. You can still be polite in public to people, but I don't see any reason to do that with someone if you're seeking a life partner. I see a lot of angry discourse from men online about women specifically sorting them out due to their politics, but why do these men want partners who don't have the same values? It just sounds like such a stressful and awful relationship where they would probably argue a lot. I would rather be alone than date someone on the right because we just don't have compatible moral values.
And dudes still don't understand not to call women females even after seeing this shit.
their insistance on using the word female is so weird. its like you're listening to a Nat Geo documentary.
I'm just so tired of the "Just go to the gym" attitude. Why tf do I have to do that? What if I hate the gym? What if the gym isn't the motivation that makes me feel better about living with myself? Life is shit, why is the gym seemingly the only answer to so many people....
If the bar gets lower then I'm just shine harder lmao
WAIT SO WHAT UR SAYING IS THAT AS A LEFTIST MAN WHO GOES TO THE GYM AND SHOWERS I HAVE A CHANCE? HELL YA BABY RHATS WHAT WE ARE LOOKIN FOR!
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO!!! 😱😤😱
yeeesh youre looking a 7/10 already man
my brother in allah i only shower and i clear the bar you're fine :) it doesnt mean women will fall on your lap or some shit like that just be patient, do the right thing and an awesome person will stick around ;)
As a leftist woman everyday I wish for a leftist man that showers 😭 If you go to gym on top of that you are 10/10
These dudes would improve their chances exponentially if they stopped using female when talking about women
Everyone has insecurities, but the worst thing to do is designate them as caused by someone else.
I do my best to maintain physical, mental, and emotional health, and you should too. Sure, I still have my moments where I am insecure, but so does everyone else.
If you cannot be happy without a relationship you should not be in one until you can be.
I genuinely feel bad that these people are so alone but they let themselves down
all I have learned is that me a 28 masculine presenting liberal individual has a higher chance to get laid than most younger conservative dudes
go get em tiger. leave some for the rest of us
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Nahhh
depends where you live i guess.
not really get laid, just getting in a serious relationship
My husbands nephew like Tate and the things he spews on social media is just disgusting… and yet he also try’s to push a Christian lifestyle 🤨 now he’s 19 and I’m hoping he will grow and learn but he’s also from Florida and graduated in the Florida education system and honestly, his dad (my husbands bro) kind of is pushing the ideology on him…. Now they aren’t abusive but they just have this idea of men and what their role should be…. Also, don’t get me started on their view on the lgbtq community.
he will end up in jail and doing hate crimes clearly
@@Bibblesupremacy1992 nah I think he’ll just be limited to the small bubble he’s putting himself in and just labeled an asshole
I've been harassed online since I was in elementary school; I'm of the era where the internet came up, & this disturbing rhetoric is making things significantly worse for women/girls.
That side by side with the argentina wacko lol.
God damn lol it's insane that any dude thinks that women are asking for too much, or somehow being unreasonable. The bar is ridiculously low. I have met SO MANY WOMEN that are at the point where they're basically like "can I at least just get a guy that's nice to me? I don't even care if he sucks in every other way imaginable as long as he doesn't yell at me". I just cannot imagine having to lower my expectations that many times, nobody deserves that :/
Where are these women with low expectations
There’s some research that shows it’s not good at all to have different ideaology in a relationship. Values are more important than known.
when im downloading tinder im literally putting some sort of ''lib men only'' in my bio, no time to mess around
@@carolynmorin8042damn think about all the tankies that bio will scare off
Genuinely scared for our generation. The general idea of "alpha males" or this toxic perspective is just hurtful to everyone.
Single and childfree women are WAY more happier than their married counterparts. The only group that comes close to that happiness is...married men.
The loneliness epidemic for men is the fault of the manosphere/red-pill because women with a functioning brain and not a "pick me" attitude will never choose those men or any men.
What study did you get this from😂?
It's honestly even impossible to talk about men's issues because of them. They really have ruined everything.
Man.... I really don't get that kind of hate towards women. I haven't been laid in like a year and half and I don't resent them collectively for it. Fuck sake. I've never fucked a dog and I still love them.
This whole subject is really bizarre to me. Just act normal and treat them as normal humans and you probably WILL get laid.
It’s not about women and sex, it’s about them, they’re miserable and lashing out at the people their community says is responsible for it.
Capitalism and neoliberal austerity are pushing everyone down, but because men were promised more than they are getting (good job, house, car, etc), and women were promised less than they can currently get (basically being a slave that has children) it’s pushing those two genders in opposite directions. I guarantee that if you do this study along income brackets, it’s the people going from middle class childhood to lower class adulthood who are feeling it the most. People aren’t always aware of their backwards social mobility, but maybe it would help to explain .
@@Rob-Otterdog, women werent allowed to have their own bank accounts before women liberation movements and feminism took hold in the masses.
@@Rob-Otter women have more rights now than they did. The institution of marriage wasn’t always the way it is now: women couldn’t leave, they couldn’t vote, they weren’t paid anywhere near equally and so often didn’t have the resources to run away. Not all saw it this way, but there was a time when wives were seen as property of their husband.
@@Rob-Otter why are you whining about a parenthetical instead of what my comment actually says?
@@Rob-Otter no worries
@@0ptimuscrime Dude, we just lost a huge chunk of our body rights, we lost our body rights thanks to wealthy powerful men, lie to yourself at night all you want, women are now oppressed thanks to the force-birthers.
Just going outside and talk to people. Pretend every person you see is a man, talk to woman as if they are a man.
The key to being a reasonable person is knowing that woman are just people. We all start the same and are told by society how to act and as kids all we want to do is imitate what we see. That’s the only difference.
There are assholes in all genders, there are good people in all genders. Just talk to someone of the opposite sex like they are a normal person.
36:21 THIS. lol sadly so true. wish those "incels" knew success with women has almost ZERO to do with looks and just about everything to do with approachability, mental health and social awareness.. the incels werent even ugly imo, so working on fitness or physical appearence will likely lead to absolutely no positive results with women.
but what about autistic guys? cant exactly ''work on their social awareness' any better than a paraplegics can work on his leg game
Whenever a guy tells me that it's impossible to date the first question I have is always "are you a conservative?" Turns out that women don't want to date misogynists.
Ancient Hasan looks like Steven Crowder`s little brother.
Chatters be like " ye i got closure with my ex. And by closure i mean stalking. I stalk her. "
“‘Closure?’ No I openure. Openure window and climb inside.”
@@malaizzeJimmy Lee is that you?
I know what hasan is saying is geared towards men but it’s motivated me to keep trying to better myself regardless of if I’m single or not. We all need to hear that stuff. We can all be a 7
These guys seriously just need a good therapist.
I’m not saying that will magically change anything, but they need therapy to start.
I'm 32 AND I am single. You Will not hear any complaint from me. I am very happy like this AND Many of my friends too
I can relate to this. After Trump, I stopped dating. The men have changed and I'm not comfortable with that so I'll stay single.
i think going for the gym to be healthy physically is good but what was even greater for me was that i got confident with myself
The Internet has poisoned these dorks.
Gen Z has been lost, gen alpha is our only chance. Hasan better start talking about skibididi rizz or whatever.
Rizz is definitely gen z, plus alpha is gonna be definitely worse
We need communist toilets. 😭
If you think those snotty little iPad children will "save us" then I'm afraid you're just as, if not more lost.
@@axelotlee_ok boomer
@@axelotlee_ I think they have way more chances than zoomers. They are not the first to be raised fully digital. Zoomers were the first. If you think iPad kids didn’t exist 20 years ago you are not very bright. My step mom was raising my zoomer sister on her smartphone. Early smartphones, with internet connection. Baby is crying? Give her the phone. "Got games on your phone?" Is literally for zoomers. I think Alpha will be wilder than zoomers and that will benefit them in our current wild world. I imagine alpha kids are also already tired of everything digital. And if not, wait a few more years.
It’s wild how conservatives funnel this information to reach people like my very prudish mom, who instead of being appalled at the real info, is regurgitating new rhetoric that “men now are so scared to talk to women because of me too “😮
I’m a 10 who grew up with toxic conservative parents I’ve despised since I was young . They never believed how intense and pervasive sexual harassment was for me through the 2000s and beyond. It’s disgusting that these young men are becoming even more dangerous, they’ve been taught to believe masculinity is a be all end all that doesn’t include interests , feelings or deep conversations.
“I’m a 10” lol
@Bocchi-db8ncwhat’s wrong with a woman having self-confidence? 🤔
@@kvrmv4k476don't seethe because not a single person would touch you even if they were paid to
@@Hannah-zw9ownothing. But arrogance on the other hand is what drives all of these redpillers and incels. So this just seems like a repackage of those same toxicity but from the perspective of a female. This kinda seems like something a femcel like Pearly Things would write, that's probably a little bit of the reason why it rubbed some people the wrong way. Just my 2 cents.
Lol, interests and deep conversations? If you want to meet people with the same interests and have deep conversations you go to hobby groups, professional associations, or even to the internet. Nobody gets into a date because they want to share a deep conversation, people do it because they want to have s*x.
Honestly, I could date someone who disagrees with me ideologically and not have a problem. I could not, however, date someone who doesn't think I deserve rights lmao. Quite a bit of a difference there.
One thing that Hasan mentioned which is VERY important. Self improvement takes time. For some it can be 6 months of work & for some it can take 5 years. It depends on the person. You have to have patience & work on yourself. Self improvement doesn't mean just getting fit & grooming yourself properly, but it also means -
1) Developing hobbies that you enjoy & going to spaces where like minded individuals with the same hobbies as you gather.
2) Learning basic skills like cooking & cleaning that every adult should know. Being able to maintain proper hygiene. You don't need to be a chef or Marie Kondo but you should be able to do basic stuff. These are attractive traits.
3) Looking at women as equals. It's basic, but it's important. Read books about feminism with an open mind. Talk to other women & their experiences. Start with your family members if you're the most comfortable with them & then move on to making friends who are women without expecting anything physical or romantic in return. You don't have to agree with everything you read or hear, but just LISTENING can help. It makes you see the other side. The perspective that you won't get from other men. Developing empathy & being able to understand what someone is going through is very important. As I said, you don't have to agree with everything, but being open minded & TRYING to understand is the most beautiful aspect.
4) Treat everyone with respect. Like people in the service industry & regular people you interact with on a day to day basis. Every woman appreciates a respectful person. This doesn't mean you have to take shxt from everyone, but it just means being nice & kind. However, if someone messes with you, you're allowed to stand up for yourself. Learning to read the room is important. Again, this takes trial & error. You won't learn unless you go out there & start interacting with more people.
5) Seeking mental help. If you have even the slightest doubt that you're not doing well mentally, just seek help. It's okay. No woman out there will care if you seek help.
6) Confidence. This is key. You have to push yourself. You have to be ready to sometimes do something embarassing. It's part of the learning process. It's okay. The more you interact with people, the more confidence you gain. Trust me, after the initial fear is gone, you'll start to breeze through it.
7) Love yourself. Realise that you're a flawed human like everyone else & that's okay. It's You vs. You. The only goal is to do better than yesterday. You aren't up against anyone else but yourself.
8) Learn how to accept NO as an answer. Even after all your efforts, there might be people who aren't into you. That's normal. Even the most prettiest women & most handsome men have people who aren't interested in them. As hard as it is to believe, it's true. That doesn't decrease your worth as a person & that doesn't make the other person an a**hole. Sometimes it just be like that.
9) GET OUT OF INC3L SPACES. Like 100%. These are echo chambers. You'll keep reinforcing each other's toxic mindset & go deeper into this rabbit hole. The deeper you go the harder it is to come out. Many people form friendships within these communities & I understand that it's hard to let go of these spaces. We as humans wish to belong. However, you have to take this step. Cutting off people who are pulling you down is a tough, but it's important.
It's a alot. Yes. However, take one step at a time. You don't have to do everything at once. You'll get there. Slow & steady wins the race afterall. Consistency & motivation is key. It's harder to put actual effort than to simply become an inc3l & blame women. That is the easy way out. It's an escape from introspecting & being productive. If you wish to wallow in your misery & direct your energy towards negativity then that's on you. No one can help you if you aren't willing to help yourself. That's the tough pill to swallow.
PS. I'm not saying looking good & grooming yourself doesn't matter. It's important for first impressions but the rest depends on who you are as a person & how you treat others. Looking smart & dressing properly is a part of it: I really recommend looking into "K-POP boy groups airport looks" + following models to see what they wear for day to day activities for dressing inspirations. Plus, it takes time to figure out what kind of clothing & style fits your body type. A lot of trial & error. It's a process. You have to have patience. Be ready to make mistakes & take them in a stride.
Did he not just pull up a steven crowder photo
Don't know why there is a need to bring up the racist element here. They're Australian. The racism is a given
I've never got the incels. I'm fat, introverted, depressed, had poor hygiene at times, been broke, and still gotten laid plenty. I've just given up on dating, not because of inability to find someone, I've just been cheated on too many times and decided it's not worth playing the lottery any more.
the difference between you and them is that incels are creepy and feel entitled to sex. that's honestly the main issue, is that they have abhorrent personalities
what introverted mean for you ? Can you have conversations with women, make them laugh ? Some people just can't really do that and will have huge difficulty just having a conversation, it's pretty comprehensible why they will not be able to date
@@ni9274 I can make people laugh, I'm funny as hell, I just don't care to speak to 99% of the people I see.
To be honest, ive seen tons of guys in the incel community that have gotten/can get laid but theyre like you in where they dont trust women as a whole because of past negative experiences. Not saying thats you, just that instead of being just a bit jaded and have trust issues they take it further and hate women and become very toxic. I have trust issues myself but i dont go around seeing women as whores or anything as a whole. Thats where shit goes south. Had my ex best friend go down that rabbit hole and after so many years of it, i couldnt take it anymore
there’s definitely someone out there for you that will love you just as much as you love them.
Most of these guys give off bad vibes and that's honestly why they're single. Also I'm a perpetually single woman with OCD but I never make it anyone else's fault that I have issues. Many women don't care one bit about height or even that much about looks. Many of these men need mental health treatment and I say that as someone who has been through mental health treatment myself. They are sabotaging themselves.
Not even ten seconds in and I had to put my phone down and take a walk. 12????????
bro why are liberals so insistent about me being the bigger man and kind to someone who thinks i should still be a slave lmao
And are these liberals in the room with us right now? ✍️🥸
@@axelotlee_ no, why would i allow a liberal to step foot in my house
Mean while conservative will tell you "its just a word why are you mad or need to get violent?" But ok it's the liberals doing it🤣
That single women are more happier then married women thing has been debunked
Let me ask you a question: how do you think a woman would be happy in a marriage in which she'd be called a murderer for having an abortion or for being pro-choice? Women aren't happier outside of marriage because they don't want men at all- they're happier with themselves for not putting up with garbage. I'm lucky to have the man that I do, otherwise I'd be happily single and not put up with the inbred rednecks surrounding me.
The increasing polarization in politics is just because somewhere along the line we decided that "we can talk anything but politics" was stupid.
nah, I'm pretty sure it has more to do with civil rights than just 'dumb politics.'
Yeah, because politics affects the lives of most people, and they don't have the luxury to ignore it. The status quo isn’t as protected socially as it was in the 50s or whenever the fuck you think this imagined ideal was real. What's changed is that people aren’t as afraid to talk about politics for fear of being ostracized, hurt, or killed.
It's not even possible anways nowadays to just say "men should work and women go to the kitchen".
In late-stage capitalism this isn't possible when the man doesn't have a really well paying job.
The simple truth is exactly what he said. It really comes down to finding what works for YOU and changing things around until it sticks. You may see yourself as a 2 and think its over but with steady small changes you see its not the truth and that you appeal to a crowd and find your niche. Also personality goes a LONG ways more than you think. Its what saved me through my childhood and am super lucky to have found that out about myself at a younger age because I also struggled with how I looked (chronic cystic acne) But I grew into myself looks wise and found what style worked for ME. I am in my own lane and category and I cant tell you how many times my Giagchad looking friends are overlooked and I am sought after by the funny attractive people when you'd think they're the easy choice. You get your victories and take the L's everyone has their own taste and that someone may love yours.
Raymond looks like an absolutely normal dude. It’s not even about confidence it’s just like man get some hobbies there’s women who share those hobbies! Talk to them about those hobbies!
Can someone tell me what happened to Andrew Tate? Dudes kinda irrelevant now
He made a cringe ‘there’s a graveyard full of my enemies’ tweet and that was it. Someone should study that pipeline, there seems to be a lot of cases.
Thank God 🙏
I think he was under house arrest or something.
From what I read, he and his brother are being held in Romania for allegedly trafficking women.
It’s funny cuz it could spin the other way “men need to suck it up” but of course it’s not
your politics are a reflection of your values and views on the world, they are essential to your personality.
The dynamics flipped these people are polar opposites
I once worked with a tater tot. He had a mantrum when I made a small joke about how he must like to do things the hard way because he picked the least efficient way to install something. He kicked me out of our work van with a little speech about how I asked too many questions and said he couldn’t work with a “female” anymore.
It drives me crazy and it feels wrong how this internet bullshit has become real peoples personalities. It’s like they are no longer grounded to reality and instead just walk around waiting for someone to trigger them into a misogynistic rant they want you to think is “logical”. 🙄
You could have responded in a better way tbf