I really appreciate your videos. I wish more of my customers would listen when I tell them not to run the pool for the start up and the importance of brushing! All of your videos are very well done and great information. I try to pass along your videos often. Thanks again.
Can you tell us why should the pump be off? Everyone telling me to run it 24/7. I’m so dam confused now. So many conflicting information without any supporting facts.
Great video! When you are starting up a pool, when you add a sequestering agent, make sure you also add a CuLator Ultra 4.0 into the pump or skimmer basket. That way any metals that are sequestered will be eliminated by the CuLator. I recommend using the Ultra on every pool start up just as an "insurance" against metal pool stains.
Thank you for this video. I came here because we are going through the startup phase and it doesn’t appear that our acid wash, and startup went anyway like this.
Agree with everything except leaving equipment off. I used start up service and once they started they recommended running 24/7 pool equipment for first 7 to 10ndays
@@Kbm42299 How did it turn out? I just finished replastering my pool Sunday and have been brushing twice a day and added acid. How long before all the white residue gets removed from the walls?
My start up involves bringing calcium to 200 ppm plus on first day. Keeping PH7.4-7.6 TA 80-100. Brush vac everyday for the first 5-7 days. Brush nylon and skim, run pump all day. What’s your thought on that ? And of course adding some sort of preventative, biodex, startuptec or magic jac
Just got my chip out done. Waiting for the plastering job. Learning lots here so I can some what follow the process. Thanks for the start up info. Gonna purchase your guide it looks like. 10K play pool and 600 gallon spa.
David, good afternoon. They made a plaster similar to this with the same color. leave the chemicals at their proper levels, after a month. The bottom part was white, how to solve them. Thank you.
I just finished getting my pool redone with a stonescape mini pebble finish. I just finished filling the pool last night, which is about 15,000 gallons. They told me to add 2 gallons of acid for the startup. I'm in So Cal. You recommend a lot more acid, so I added 3 gallons. Do I need to add more? Just added the acid this morning. Should I also add the sequestering agent today?
Thanks for all of the great info and content! I am using this start up method. And today , day 3, i notice what looks like white spots? Not aure if this is calcium? Streaks from brushing? Anyways, any idea as to what it could be and suggestions? Thanks !! #diamondbrite
Never seen anything like that in Florida they get a few guys in the pool a day after the plaster job with respirators on and straight acid and sponge it down suck that out and then fill it with water and your ready to go in a week
With acid startup, is it preferred to bypass the heater? For startup methods that recommend bypassing the heater, what is the preferred method for the bypass? For example, temporary re-plumbing, re-plumbing with bypass values etc? Thanks a bunch
very nice video. I have a question. I usually have the filter on 24/7 when I do the 4-5 days acid start up. I know on your video u said to keep pump off. Does this process work better? And if so ,when is it safe to turn on the filter. Thank u
+Manuel espinoza You don't want to run the equipment until the pH is above 6.8 or you risk damaging the equipment or plaster in an acid start-up. This will cause the metal in the heater to bleed into the pool. Usually after day 2 all the dust is gone so you can start raising the pH. In a traditional Start-up or Bicarb start up you can turn the pool on right away. Ignore the comment from TH-camr as he doesn't know what he is talking about. In an acid start up you don't need to run the pool while the plaster cures for 48 hours. After you bring the pH up run it is much as possible.
I replastered my pool almost 4 weeks ago and the pool service did a traditional start up and I still have plaster dust in the plaster. Can I do the acid start up method now to remove the remaining dust? My pool is about 22,000 gallons.
Try adding 1 bottle of a product called Beautec to the pool and brush it a little more aggressively. I suggest this brush: SweepEase 654367706282-SS/Combo-18 Stingray SS/PolyPool Brush. After 2 weeks of brushing the surface everyday you should see some improvement. It is too late to go back and do the acid start up now.
Working on a quartz startup followed the normal npc startup. Still have some dust 28 days into it and some variation in color. Should I try an acid bath this far into it?
@@SPL I also noticed you didn’t use submersible pumps in your acid bath. Is diluting it and brushing it good enough? Everyone is telling me I need to have multiple submersible pumps in the pool if I’m going to do an acid bath.
@@SPL What does it mean “destroys”? Concrete plaster dust doesn’t evaporate out of the pool into thin air obviously. Plaster dust either fallls down to the bottom or is filtered away and then filter is washed to get rid of it. Plaster dust doesn’t disappear to nowhere.
@@kevinherrera8277 I don’t know what galaxy you’re from but pools and plaster dust does not work magically like that on planet earth in our solar system. Concrete dust particles do not evaporate and do not disappear out of the pool no matter what chemicals you use. That’s why we have Filtration to catch most solid particles and wash it out.
I plastered my pool Sunday and finished filling it Monday. I have been scrubbing twice a day and wanted to know how long before the white haze comes off the plaster. It’s not all over the pool, just some parts.
You can speed it up using a stick of 2inch pvc like a straw over the white haze. Hold it about a foot over the area in the water and pour a little acid down the pvc pipe. About 12oz per spot. You can slowly move the pvc in a circle while raising/pulling the pipe out of the water about a foot or two. The acid then falls/drops out off the pvc over the plaster white hazy cement and lands right on it in a uniform mushroom cloud. Acid has a specific gravity of 15, its heavier than water. You can see the acid fan across the floor. let it sit there and you can watch the white burn off in seconds. then brush the acid gently away so you don't over expose one area. while the pool is off!!! Or you can add more acid and run the pool if you do not have a heater. thats less risky because it will burn off more even... I can do 5 or six pools a week, color or not, safely buy running the pool after day one. Google a Hot Start Up. There are classes on these start ups by the plaster venders. I've never been to one who had anything bad to say about starting the pool during this process unless it has a heater, or there are jets on the steps, benches etc where that direct flow from them would over expose around the jets and leave a darker color around them. Remember the pool tells you how much acid to use and how long to leave the acid sitting directly on the surface. After about a min or two the acid is used up in a way. Its still eating layers off but doing so in a much slower manner.
What i mean is the acid is used up and no longer burning the cement or stain off. (The ACID!) After that only the low water PH is cooking the plaster at a much slower rate. drip a few drops on a spot of cement, or lime/sand stone. I will turn yellow and bubble for about two minutes then not longer eats the rock. And remember, stain removers, everything you add to the water has a PH. A high or a low. The two in this video are high in PH. Thats why he added those first. then the acid.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to tether a floating chlorinator so it will stay in the middle of the pool and won't be able to float near any of the walls or steps? I just had my pool redone and we will like to keep our blue plaster looking good.
I just had my pool replaster and I would like to contact you willing to pay a fee for your advice on how to guide me with all of this I live in Las Vegas thanks and have a great day.
I don't current have a service available like this but let me know what area in Vegas you are in and I know a few local pool guys that would stop by to help you with a start up
Why anyone would have a plain plaster pool is just crazy...allways add pebbles glass beads or tiles...it makes your investment well worth it...easier to maintain lastes way way longer and looks so much better...and comfy on your feet.
Iv never seen a pool that can't be usded pritty fast...and most have very clear water if the plasters did a good job...so I'm a bit consernded about the quality of this job...what's with the lack of pebbles or glass beads they give the pool 4 times more life than plaster...so it ends up costing the same if not saving money long term...if your going to do a pool do it as best as possible.
Trying to get an idea of cost....what would a 35,000 gal pool cost to replaster in Ca? Any recommendations for replastering companies in my city (Phoenix, AZ???) By the way, your awesome videos have saved me some serious headache and money...and because of that I sent you a donation a while back. This week I had a problem with my spa not maintaining the water level. I googled the problem, your video came up, I watched it.....an hour after that, I had the new check valve installed. I will again be donating to your site! THANK YOU!!!!
I really appreciate your videos. I wish more of my customers would listen when I tell them not to run the pool for the start up and the importance of brushing! All of your videos are very well done and great information. I try to pass along your videos often. Thanks again.
Can you tell us why should the pump be off? Everyone telling me to run it 24/7. I’m so dam confused now. So many conflicting information without any supporting facts.
Great video! When you are starting up a pool, when you add a sequestering agent, make sure you also add a CuLator Ultra 4.0 into the pump or skimmer basket. That way any metals that are sequestered will be eliminated by the CuLator. I recommend using the Ultra on every pool start up just as an "insurance" against metal pool stains.
Thank you for this video. I came here because we are going through the startup phase and it doesn’t appear that our acid wash, and startup went anyway like this.
Agree with everything except leaving equipment off. I used start up service and once they started they recommended running 24/7 pool equipment for first 7 to 10ndays
Getting my pool replasterd this Thursday. About 25k gallons. Going to use this method. Wish me luck. Been following you for a while man. Thank you.
It should be fine. Just follow the process and the plaster will turn out good. The plasterer should have a dedicated start up guy for you.
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 nah they just gave me start up instructions. Ill keep ya posted.
@@Kbm42299 How did it turn out? I just finished replastering my pool Sunday and have been brushing twice a day and added acid. How long before all the white residue gets removed from the walls?
My start up involves bringing calcium to 200 ppm plus on first day. Keeping PH7.4-7.6 TA 80-100. Brush vac everyday for the first 5-7 days. Brush nylon and skim, run pump all day. What’s your thought on that ? And of course adding some sort of preventative, biodex, startuptec or magic jac
Sounds a little like the Orenda Start Up. That method is very effective.
This exactly how I do it thank god someone else does I appreciate this comment so much 😂
Wow. Amazing pool. Thanks 🙏
Is it safe to plaster a pool when outside the temperature is in the low 40 F ?
Will the plaster set fine ?
Should I wait for wormer temp ?
Dumb question. If you dont turn on the pool filter.. where is the dust going? Are you just letting it settle to the bottom?
The acid "eats" up all the dust.
Just got my chip out done. Waiting for the plastering job.
Learning lots here so I can some what follow the process. Thanks for the start up info. Gonna purchase your guide it looks like.
10K play pool and 600 gallon spa.
Not a dumb question.
What about the pebbletech do you thing the same method would be good?
Anybody here for the comments too 🤗.
David, good afternoon. They made a plaster similar to this with the same color. leave the chemicals at their proper levels, after a month. The bottom part was white, how to solve them. Thank you.
Not exactly sure what it could be. Would need to see pictures of it.
While it's off four to five days is there any brushing needed?
Off for 2 days total and yes, lots of brushing even with pool off.
Awesome video. You are masterful in your profession.
I just finished getting my pool redone with a stonescape mini pebble finish. I just finished filling the pool last night, which is about 15,000 gallons. They told me to add 2 gallons of acid for the startup. I'm in So Cal. You recommend a lot more acid, so I added 3 gallons. Do I need to add more? Just added the acid this morning. Should I also add the sequestering agent today?
Listen to your pool builder!
Thanks for all of the great info and content! I am using this start up method. And today , day 3, i notice what looks like white spots? Not aure if this is calcium? Streaks from brushing? Anyways, any idea as to what it could be and suggestions? Thanks !! #diamondbrite
Never seen anything like that in Florida they get a few guys in the pool a day after the plaster job with respirators on and straight acid and sponge it down suck that out and then fill it with water and your ready to go in a week
Interesting method!
With acid startup, is it preferred to bypass the heater? For startup methods that recommend bypassing the heater, what is the preferred method for the bypass? For example, temporary re-plumbing, re-plumbing with bypass values etc?
Thanks a bunch
Just leave the pool off until you are ready to raise the pH and Alkalinity up. No need to run the pool during the Acid Start Up process.
very nice video. I have a question. I usually have the filter on 24/7 when I do the 4-5 days acid start up.
I know on your video u said to keep pump off. Does this process work better? And if so ,when is it safe to turn on the filter.
Thank u
+Manuel espinoza You don't want to run the equipment until the pH is above 6.8 or you risk damaging the equipment or plaster in an acid start-up. This will cause the metal in the heater to bleed into the pool. Usually after day 2 all the dust is gone so you can start raising the pH. In a traditional Start-up or Bicarb start up you can turn the pool on right away. Ignore the comment from TH-camr as he doesn't know what he is talking about. In an acid start up you don't need to run the pool while the plaster cures for 48 hours. After you bring the pH up run it is much as possible.
My pool is about full, I'm getting ready to restart but haven't figured out how to make just the bottom to suction.
Hi I close to finish to build my swimming pool how much costs to acid star-up
I replastered my pool almost 4 weeks ago and the pool service did a traditional start up and I still have plaster dust in the plaster. Can I do the acid start up method now to remove the remaining dust? My pool is about 22,000 gallons.
Try adding 1 bottle of a product called Beautec to the pool and brush it a little more aggressively. I suggest this brush: SweepEase 654367706282-SS/Combo-18 Stingray SS/PolyPool Brush. After 2 weeks of brushing the surface everyday you should see some improvement. It is too late to go back and do the acid start up now.
@@SPL Thank You. I ordered both products today.
Working on a quartz startup followed the normal npc startup. Still have some dust 28 days into it and some variation in color. Should I try an acid bath this far into it?
You can try 2 bottles of EasyCare Beautec to see if that helps at this point.
@@SPL I also noticed you didn’t use submersible pumps in your acid bath. Is diluting it and brushing it good enough? Everyone is telling me I need to have multiple submersible pumps in the pool if I’m going to do an acid bath.
@@dylanforse303 No need really but you can hang one with ropes on the water surface.
Do you add salt even if it doesn't have a salt generator? Mine is also 13,500 gal & I'm wondering how much to add?
Need a Saltwater generator installed.
Where did the plaster dust go for the first 4 days of brushing if pump is not running to filtrate it away?
The acid destroys the dust.
@@SPL What does it mean “destroys”? Concrete plaster dust doesn’t evaporate out of the pool into thin air obviously. Plaster dust either fallls down to the bottom or is filtered away and then filter is washed to get rid of it. Plaster dust doesn’t disappear to nowhere.
@@Bitcoin-Busait does 😂
@@kevinherrera8277 I don’t know what galaxy you’re from but pools and plaster dust does not work magically like that on planet earth in our solar system. Concrete dust particles do not evaporate and do not disappear out of the pool no matter what chemicals you use. That’s why we have Filtration to catch most solid particles and wash it out.
I plastered my pool Sunday and finished filling it Monday. I have been scrubbing twice a day and wanted to know how long before the white haze comes off the plaster. It’s not all over the pool, just some parts.
If you add a bottle of CuLator Super Start Up that may help with the white scaling.
Thank You. I’ll give it a try
I had used Leslie’s Stain & Scale Prevent the first day but haven’t seen much change
You can speed it up using a stick of 2inch pvc like a straw over the white haze. Hold it about a foot over the area in the water and pour a little acid down the pvc pipe. About 12oz per spot. You can slowly move the pvc in a circle while raising/pulling the pipe out of the water about a foot or two. The acid then falls/drops out off the pvc over the plaster white hazy cement and lands right on it in a uniform mushroom cloud. Acid has a specific gravity of 15, its heavier than water. You can see the acid fan across the floor. let it sit there and you can watch the white burn off in seconds. then brush the acid gently away so you don't over expose one area. while the pool is off!!!
Or you can add more acid and run the pool if you do not have a heater. thats less risky because it will burn off more even... I can do 5 or six pools a week, color or not, safely buy running the pool after day one. Google a Hot Start Up. There are classes on these start ups by the plaster venders. I've never been to one who had anything bad to say about starting the pool during this process unless it has a heater, or there are jets on the steps, benches etc where that direct flow from them would over expose around the jets and leave a darker color around them.
Remember the pool tells you how much acid to use and how long to leave the acid sitting directly on the surface. After about a min or two the acid is used up in a way. Its still eating layers off but doing so in a much slower manner.
What i mean is the acid is used up and no longer burning the cement or stain off. (The ACID!) After that only the low water PH is cooking the plaster at a much slower rate. drip a few drops on a spot of cement, or lime/sand stone. I will turn yellow and bubble for about two minutes then not longer eats the rock. And remember, stain removers, everything you add to the water has a PH. A high or a low. The two in this video are high in PH. Thats why he added those first. then the acid.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to tether a floating chlorinator so it will stay in the middle of the pool and won't be able to float near any of the walls or steps? I just had my pool redone and we will like to keep our blue plaster looking good.
Would suggest an in-line Rainbow 300 chlorinator for sure.
When do you add calcium when you do your hot start ups?
Usually after the 1 week with pool running.
thanks for the info!!
why NOT shock the pool for the 1st 30 days?
High chlorine levels came damage the plaster while it cures.
how long do you have to wait to swim in it after this?
2 or 3 weeks
I just had my pool replaster and I would like to contact you willing to pay a fee for your advice on how to guide me with all of this I live in Las Vegas thanks and have a great day.
I don't current have a service available like this but let me know what area in Vegas you are in and I know a few local pool guys that would stop by to help you with a start up
how much for pebble 109 linear sqft
It's very expensive now. Shockingly.
@@SPL Was curious i just paid 8500 for white plain quartz and new water line tile
Was this all day one??
6 am to about 2 pm. 👍
They told me it's tartar, other poolman the plaster is new.
I could not send you photos by this means. but I'm worried about how to remove it.
Send them to my email: david@swimmingpoollearning.com
Do we want to add calcium at this point, if it's a little low?
how low is the reading?
Why anyone would have a plain plaster pool is just crazy...allways add pebbles glass beads or tiles...it makes your investment well worth it...easier to maintain lastes way way longer and looks so much better...and comfy on your feet.
btw it's for a diamond brite pool plaster.
Iv never seen a pool that can't be usded pritty fast...and most have very clear water if the plasters did a good job...so I'm a bit consernded about the quality of this job...what's with the lack of pebbles or glass beads they give the pool 4 times more life than plaster...so it ends up costing the same if not saving money long term...if your going to do a pool do it as best as possible.
Can't get any customers to go for the beads and pebbles, most of them think plaster is too rough.
How Much Would A Colored Plaster Pool Cost To Replaster (8500 Gallons)????
Depends on the area. Cheaper in Ca. & Florida - more expensive in Mid-West and East Coast. I would say about $5000 here in Ca.
Trying to get an idea of cost....what would a 35,000 gal pool cost to replaster in Ca? Any recommendations for replastering companies in my city (Phoenix, AZ???) By the way, your awesome videos have saved me some serious headache and money...and because of that I sent you a donation a while back. This week I had a problem with my spa not maintaining the water level. I googled the problem, your video came up, I watched it.....an hour after that, I had the new check valve installed. I will again be donating to your site! THANK YOU!!!!
Can you imagine doing start ups like this if your company is busy? Ridiculous,
I know, right? 👊
I live on california
wow nice :))