Beasty: you can find out whether your opponent going to castle or going to rush depends on his units, if he has a lot of units: he os going to kill you Silver player not making units and not going to castle: my goals are beyond your understanding
if you had watched the AI championship you would ALREADY know that beasty doesn't even know the counter system in this game. Obviously its keep > bombard, archers > buildings, nobs > springs... just imagine how good beasty would be if he did the proper counters in his games.
Love the video I’m a long time mongel player but this was the most helpful video yet from you! Really helped me realize what to do in crucial situations that I never knew I was in before! Thank you! Love the content man! So awesome!
I paused the video to comment so I'm going in blind here but I am already imagining the same people from the "Beasty is ruining AOE4" already tearing their hair out and malding at this latest YT upload hahaha
Beasty is wrong about the raid bounty: You only need to do 1 dmg to a building and when that building gets deleted (doesn't matter how long after the dmg was done), you will get the raid bounty IF the building has not been repaired. Because the opponent repaired the mine (in the first example) and then deleted it, Beasty didn't get any raid bounty. Same is true for a building that gets cancelled while being built, as long as you dealt 1 dmg to it, you will receive the raid bounty.
Hello, I am struggling How to play against china by this stra ? cuz even we tower the stone they still have song dynasty so mongol still behind and they just get to castle almost as same as we do so we got no eco advantage and tech as well , then they push out with palace guard + nest bee.
20:45 moment doesnt work on low rank players, they just counterattack tower with power he used to attack your TC, you cant support it from that range, and that puts them back on line, meanwhile you lost all the army and at least several workers
With Mongols I always go two early horsemen. Opponent reacts by making spear man. Then I do Mangudai and take map control by building lots of towers. Sometimes I trade. Works great for me in Platinum / Diamond.
Thats speaking poorly of plat/diamond…. Mangudai is very res inefficient and countered by archer. Not to mention tower all over the place. What are your opponents doing? I havent played for a while, but back then, even at top ~3000 elo or even 4000 elo, if you do inefficient starts like that, you will get clapped every game
@@ecpgieicg Dear friend, be cautious about judging my strategies if 1. you haven't played for a while 2. you say 4000 Elo when there is Max ~2100 Elo for Aoe4. Beasty can confirm 3. I am Diamond 1 / Plat 3 so I have some level of skill at least and I'm not stupid. Look up my stats at Aoe4 World to confirm. I got 55% win rate for Mongols although with this strat it might be more 80% My player name is Baron Harkonnen. Also theoretically archers counter Mangudai but you can just run away. Usually I camp on all the resources and build towers close to his base. Ofc you need good micro with Mangudai. I avoid direct encounters but raid the shit out of my opponent. I tell you if you have the right strat and good Micro Mangudai is really good!
@@chatcool4583 I say "top ~3000". I don't know how anyone can possibly read that phrase other than ranking. And funny you followed with commenting on your alleged lack of stupidity. What I would question from your description is: 1) if your strategy works as well as you think, why are you not out of your current elo range already? 2) be warned that as you climb your rank towards the elo **ranking** bands I described, your current strategy won't work. And that's also why I shared my experience earlier. If your experience is particular to a narrow elo band, it may not be a good advise for everyone else
@@ecpgieicg OK friend I'm sorry I misunderstood you with the Elo. Let's not be passive aggressive OK? As for the question why I don't climb the ladder I would say its because I don't play regularly in the moment and sometimes I experiment with some new strats. I have two main strats: for open maps I use the previously mentioned Mongol Mangudai tactic and for closed maps I use HRE fast castle. I think I climbed already 2-3 ranks since I established these two strats. I'm pretty confident I could make it to Diamond 3 maybe even Conq at the end of the season. Mind my words ;) What's your rank if play ranked and what's your user name?
@@chatcool4583 I dont play the game anymore. If I get back, I am happy to play with you if you need practice partners. Re rank, that's the thing, you will climb. With 55% WR, it's not only that your rank will increase, your elo will go up and your rank will go up fast. If you keep playing Mongol, your proficiency with it may still allow you to play strats with inefficient res for a while but not for long. And that was my experience as your elo rank goes near and past top 3000. Assuming some player attrition, but also assuming people have gotten better at the game, the relative experience with elo rank shouldnt change much.
This is interesting to follow your mindset, the sad thing is that then i am also trying to "react" to what my opponent is doing i completely mess up game😥
Wacky seeing abbasid take economic wing against mongols. I would have tried military wing with an early battering ram to push back towers. Or even a culture wing to reach castle with the 1TC
i dont know how to mongol, but i have a question do they always go for trade to benefit from rapid resoruce gather? (silk road or stone commerce i think its called)
what makes tower rush viable for mongols over other civs, like for english for example? tower prices are the same and you don't have yam network for non horse units unless you have deer stones
If you hold shift and right click on each of his spearmen you will queue attack moves on each enemy. Basically, the archers will keep attacking each enemy until they are dead, then move on to the next
I know they already attempted to nerf this, but I really wish they'd nerf it further. I main mongol because I enjoy the civ very much, but hate this play style and it sucks having to play them at a less competitive level simply because I don't like tower rushing opponents. This strat is one of the simplest strats out there and is disproportionately effective. Mongols have great mechanics that set them apart from the other civs but now if you see Mongol you think tower rush and it sucks.
Please do Chinese guide, I still don't understand how Chinese can beat French and Mongols on open map sometimes even rush maps. Also why is play defensively and boom with Chinese doesn't seem to work anymore, so many civs will beat them doing booming Strat. 2 TC song is not great anymore it seems.
I think beasty mentioned somewhere in the past that China hasn't changed much in season 3 so it is still fairly safe to use his old season 1 China guide and even his updated season 2 China guide, which also mentions no big change from season 1 hahaha Just keep in mind the beauty of these guides is you can make a custom game with easy AI and try to be as close to the timings of the guide you are following. Like villager rally to wood after X are in food or X are in stone then by X villager you build Y building. So the foundation of the first few minutes of a match are optimized already. This will give you an advantage mid game onward compared to if you just made up your own build. So if you want a beasty China guide, I say season 1 & 2 (which is almost the same as beasty puts it) is out there already. But if you really want a season 3 China specific guide, Aussie Drongo has one on YT.
@@john41690 yeah I did watch the drongo one it's pretty decent, but I also want to see how a wololo champion plays Chinese in season 3. So far beasty's other guides are so good and I cant get platinum because players my level are improving so much. I main Chinese, and I struggle hard against French and Mongols, by mid game their eco is so far ahead. Thanks to Drongo's guide I can beat HRE as Chinese. I need a guide from beasty to get above gold 3
@@Tizonwar8 Happy to other hear people appreciate and watch the Aussie as well :) The good news is, knowing Beasty, he'll do ALL the civs for season 3 for YT content. So you just gotta be patient. I seldom catch Beasty live on twitch else I'd recommend you if ever Beasty already did a China season 3 guide and it is just on the editors pile somewhere hahaha
Easy, the mongol defense is offense. If you have well placed towers and are constantly raiding you should be able to see any attacks coming, and you can cash in your stone for a whole bunch of emergency units. As mongols you should never sit in your base and let the opponent boom as they will easily overwhelm you
@@lewisbright8056 ok but lets say you already in late game and don’t want to loose, what can you do about knights or horses coming in and out every second if you have no defenses, doesnt make ant sense to say you must avoid late game and if you get there you loose
@@liran1234567 Like what Lewis said, Mongols are an aggressive civ. Each civ has their advantages and disadvantages. For Mongols, you need to be the aggressor so when mid/late game comes you are ahead of your opponent. If by mid/late game and you are equal or behind an opponent, then you are not using Mongols correctly. And if you prefer late game or boom civs, then Mongols not the one for you. I'd suggest English, good early with arrow villagers, Mid you have longbows and the tower-attack aura, and late you have farms.
@liran I didn't say you shouldn't reach late game (although I think most mongol players would prefer not to be spending a lot of time in imperial). I'm saying your only form of defense is having map control, and units. If the enemy is attacking you in your base, all you can do is force them out of your base with units and then I'd recommend immediately attacking and regaining control of the map. Its important to remember that you have unique upgrades as mongols which become really important as imperial age drags on, because other civs have unique units and keeps/defenses so you need a way of levelling the playing field. If you don't like that mongols have no defenses then I'd recommend picking another civ
Beasty: you can find out whether your opponent going to castle or going to rush depends on his units, if he has a lot of units: he os going to kill you
Silver player not making units and not going to castle: my goals are beyond your understanding
lmao
That's it. Keep 'em guessing :P
if you had watched the AI championship you would ALREADY know that beasty doesn't even know the counter system in this game. Obviously its keep > bombard, archers > buildings, nobs > springs... just imagine how good beasty would be if he did the proper counters in his games.
Silver players don’t feel the need to play as fast which is why they are behind. Honestly they are prob winning for this mental
Love the video I’m a long time mongel player but this was the most helpful video yet from you! Really helped me realize what to do in crucial situations that I never knew I was in before! Thank you! Love the content man! So awesome!
This is by far the best build order guide imo because of all the examples and explanation behind decision making. Emperor Beasty Khan
Thank u beasty for making aoe better all your guides are amazing
You have made the ladder so much harder, much appreciated!
Brand new to aoe and I really appreciated this type of video. Commenting for the algorithm.
This guide single-handedly got me back into aoe4. Great work man!
I paused the video to comment so I'm going in blind here but I am already imagining the same people from the "Beasty is ruining AOE4" already tearing their hair out and malding at this latest YT upload hahaha
Yesterday I won a team game and they wrote "gg beastyqt guide" in the chat lol
Great Guide, 48 minutes of pure knowledge! Thanks
Beasty is wrong about the raid bounty: You only need to do 1 dmg to a building and when that building gets deleted (doesn't matter how long after the dmg was done), you will get the raid bounty IF the building has not been repaired. Because the opponent repaired the mine (in the first example) and then deleted it, Beasty didn't get any raid bounty. Same is true for a building that gets cancelled while being built, as long as you dealt 1 dmg to it, you will receive the raid bounty.
I'm curious to know what the beasty build order for Rus will be like.
Good man, keep going on!
23:20 why put the Ger next to town hall at the gold? Good vid👍
Hello, I am struggling How to play against china by this stra ? cuz even we tower the stone they still have song dynasty so mongol still behind and they just get to castle almost as same as we do so we got no eco advantage and tech as well , then they push out with palace guard + nest bee.
Watch out! The hordes of Beasty Kahn are moving out!
So I already met your mongol rush as Delhi and as I didnt need gold I survived to siege upgrade, cleared towers and cleared opponent :D
Video starts
*clap clap*
“GAYMERS…”
Very nice video, so strong bo
Thanks for the great info!
20:45 moment doesnt work on low rank players, they just counterattack tower with power he used to attack your TC, you cant support it from that range, and that puts them back on line, meanwhile you lost all the army and at least several workers
clapclap GAMERS!
>boi has style..
With Mongols I always go two early horsemen. Opponent reacts by making spear man. Then I do Mangudai and take map control by building lots of towers. Sometimes I trade. Works great for me in Platinum / Diamond.
Thats speaking poorly of plat/diamond…. Mangudai is very res inefficient and countered by archer. Not to mention tower all over the place. What are your opponents doing? I havent played for a while, but back then, even at top ~3000 elo or even 4000 elo, if you do inefficient starts like that, you will get clapped every game
@@ecpgieicg Dear friend,
be cautious about judging my strategies if 1. you haven't played for a while 2. you say 4000 Elo when there is Max ~2100 Elo for Aoe4. Beasty can confirm 3. I am Diamond 1 / Plat 3 so I have some level of skill at least and I'm not stupid.
Look up my stats at Aoe4 World to confirm. I got 55% win rate for Mongols although with this strat it might be more 80% My player name is Baron Harkonnen.
Also theoretically archers counter Mangudai but you can just run away. Usually I camp on all the resources and build towers close to his base. Ofc you need good micro with Mangudai. I avoid direct encounters but raid the shit out of my opponent.
I tell you if you have the right strat and good Micro Mangudai is really good!
@@chatcool4583 I say "top ~3000". I don't know how anyone can possibly read that phrase other than ranking. And funny you followed with commenting on your alleged lack of stupidity.
What I would question from your description is: 1) if your strategy works as well as you think, why are you not out of your current elo range already? 2) be warned that as you climb your rank towards the elo **ranking** bands I described, your current strategy won't work.
And that's also why I shared my experience earlier. If your experience is particular to a narrow elo band, it may not be a good advise for everyone else
@@ecpgieicg OK friend I'm sorry I misunderstood you with the Elo. Let's not be passive aggressive OK?
As for the question why I don't climb the ladder I would say its because I don't play regularly in the moment and sometimes I experiment with some new strats. I have two main strats: for open maps I use the previously mentioned Mongol Mangudai tactic and for closed maps I use HRE fast castle. I think I climbed already 2-3 ranks since I established these two strats. I'm pretty confident I could make it to Diamond 3 maybe even Conq at the end of the season. Mind my words ;)
What's your rank if play ranked and what's your user name?
@@chatcool4583 I dont play the game anymore. If I get back, I am happy to play with you if you need practice partners.
Re rank, that's the thing, you will climb. With 55% WR, it's not only that your rank will increase, your elo will go up and your rank will go up fast. If you keep playing Mongol, your proficiency with it may still allow you to play strats with inefficient res for a while but not for long. And that was my experience as your elo rank goes near and past top 3000. Assuming some player attrition, but also assuming people have gotten better at the game, the relative experience with elo rank shouldnt change much.
OMG it's there!!! Best!
This is interesting to follow your mindset, the sad thing is that then i am also trying to "react" to what my opponent is doing i completely mess up game😥
Keep practicing bro you'll get better
Wacky seeing abbasid take economic wing against mongols. I would have tried military wing with an early battering ram to push back towers. Or even a culture wing to reach castle with the 1TC
i dont know how to mongol, but i have a question do they always go for trade to benefit from rapid resoruce gather? (silk road or stone commerce i think its called)
i feel bad for the guy that missed the clap
what makes tower rush viable for mongols over other civs, like for english for example? tower prices are the same and you don't have yam network for non horse units unless you have deer stones
Burning mechanic
@@Sprolix94 he didnt burn a single building in this guide
You can build two spearman at a time from one barracks in Dark Age using stone. This effectively doubles the men you can have in the towers.
hey Beasty and everyone in chat, what am i supposed to do against english as mongols?
Wow does shift click on spearmen with archers make your archers only shoot spearmen and not his archer mobs?
If you hold shift and right click on each of his spearmen you will queue attack moves on each enemy. Basically, the archers will keep attacking each enemy until they are dead, then move on to the next
@@lewisbright8056 thanks
I wish there was a written guide. I cant remember all this lol
Pog
I think he really like Mongols.
The thumbnail makes it looks like you already have watched the video, it has that red line on the bottom
Why did he not RAM the woodline/Stone tower(s)?
The rus wouldve destroyed me lol
Why is mongol better than other civs for tower rushing?
You can build two spearman at a time from one barracks in Dark Age using stone. This effectively doubles the men you can have in the towers.
set horses on fire and send them to the nearest city XD
Cannon rush was boring in 1999
I know they already attempted to nerf this, but I really wish they'd nerf it further. I main mongol because I enjoy the civ very much, but hate this play style and it sucks having to play them at a less competitive level simply because I don't like tower rushing opponents. This strat is one of the simplest strats out there and is disproportionately effective. Mongols have great mechanics that set them apart from the other civs but now if you see Mongol you think tower rush and it sucks.
Please do Chinese guide, I still don't understand how Chinese can beat French and Mongols on open map sometimes even rush maps. Also why is play defensively and boom with Chinese doesn't seem to work anymore, so many civs will beat them doing booming Strat. 2 TC song is not great anymore it seems.
I think beasty mentioned somewhere in the past that China hasn't changed much in season 3 so it is still fairly safe to use his old season 1 China guide and even his updated season 2 China guide, which also mentions no big change from season 1 hahaha
Just keep in mind the beauty of these guides is you can make a custom game with easy AI and try to be as close to the timings of the guide you are following. Like villager rally to wood after X are in food or X are in stone then by X villager you build Y building. So the foundation of the first few minutes of a match are optimized already. This will give you an advantage mid game onward compared to if you just made up your own build.
So if you want a beasty China guide, I say season 1 & 2 (which is almost the same as beasty puts it) is out there already.
But if you really want a season 3 China specific guide, Aussie Drongo has one on YT.
@@john41690 yeah I did watch the drongo one it's pretty decent, but I also want to see how a wololo champion plays Chinese in season 3. So far beasty's other guides are so good and I cant get platinum because players my level are improving so much. I main Chinese, and I struggle hard against French and Mongols, by mid game their eco is so far ahead. Thanks to Drongo's guide I can beat HRE as Chinese. I need a guide from beasty to get above gold 3
@@Tizonwar8 Happy to other hear people appreciate and watch the Aussie as well :)
The good news is, knowing Beasty, he'll do ALL the civs for season 3 for YT content. So you just gotta be patient.
I seldom catch Beasty live on twitch else I'd recommend you if ever Beasty already did a China season 3 guide and it is just on the editors pile somewhere hahaha
Please make a guide about how to defend from harassments with Mongols in mid-late game, since they have no walls or keeps
Easy, the mongol defense is offense. If you have well placed towers and are constantly raiding you should be able to see any attacks coming, and you can cash in your stone for a whole bunch of emergency units. As mongols you should never sit in your base and let the opponent boom as they will easily overwhelm you
@@lewisbright8056 ok but lets say you already in late game and don’t want to loose, what can you do about knights or horses coming in and out every second if you have no defenses, doesnt make ant sense to say you must avoid late game and if you get there you loose
@@liran1234567 Like what Lewis said, Mongols are an aggressive civ. Each civ has their advantages and disadvantages. For Mongols, you need to be the aggressor so when mid/late game comes you are ahead of your opponent.
If by mid/late game and you are equal or behind an opponent, then you are not using Mongols correctly.
And if you prefer late game or boom civs, then Mongols not the one for you. I'd suggest English, good early with arrow villagers, Mid you have longbows and the tower-attack aura, and late you have farms.
@liran I didn't say you shouldn't reach late game (although I think most mongol players would prefer not to be spending a lot of time in imperial). I'm saying your only form of defense is having map control, and units.
If the enemy is attacking you in your base, all you can do is force them out of your base with units and then I'd recommend immediately attacking and regaining control of the map. Its important to remember that you have unique upgrades as mongols which become really important as imperial age drags on, because other civs have unique units and keeps/defenses so you need a way of levelling the playing field.
If you don't like that mongols have no defenses then I'd recommend picking another civ
think i need to find another game
new mongol guide please with keshik they suck
He has such a uncomfortable voice
go back to Starcraft 2