Steven Lee: The most HEATED Star Wars Debate EVER! EP65
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- SteeBeeWeeBee is back for another movie review, Rise of Skywalker. Steve and I talk about DiCaprio movies before we launch into a passionate heated nerd debate about the Star Wars universe!
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Erik Griffin are you gonna stream tonight
Keep up the great content Erik !!!
Thanks for doing this.
"When Luke was eating beef stew"-SL
Heres my brainfarts: Palps literally told anakin the myth of ressurection before turning him, that is prior to old republic...when with and mandalorian were tight with sith, which personally i'm invested in... check out knights of the old republic. I think the yellow saber in this most intriguing and may be a throwback to that, uncouiscously. Cuz the yellow saber appears in rebels for a moment and they explain it there. I'm just trying like this movie more than what I saw
First time getting Steve's red zone on camera?
Dude my brother is exactly like Steve. Once that switch gets flipped, there is nothing coming in.
Griffin was wrong about Obi-wan not being a master. He was a Jedi master by Revenge of the Sith he was a member of the high council.
Helbigs Hitachi facts .
Yepppp👍
He’s an idiot..
Lmao "hes an idiot" *says the guy* who's Trippin on what a grown man has to say about a fake movie.
@@hoepocalypsesavior Wow you're so mature, i wish to be like you when i grow up.
I would totally be accepting a Steeb and Griffin podcast.
For real but now we have scissor bro’s
@@treeshade2560 ffs Eric had been fucked of two top podcasts that would have been him and Steve and him and Bobby
He whent scissor bros. ✂️ 🫂
Ditch jeremiah
Luke was trained for 18 months (according to Lucasfilm) by one of the best and powerfull jedi in the universe and got his hand cut off in the first real fight. Ray basically trained by herself using "How to be a Jedi for Dummies" books and became a jedi of unlimited power defeating everyone with no sweat. Erik, can't you really see the difference, mate? Don't you get what Steebee say?
For a bunch of "starwars nerds" they didnt know anything about starwars lmao. But Erik talking like he knows it all when a good majority of everything he said was wrong lol
I liked how they didnt pretend to troll the fans of the saga, by laughing at there inaccuracies.
Love the prof pic lmao
NERD ALERT!
Nerd herd
No kotor game play clearly
Erik, Luke had 3 years between ANH and ESB to practice with his saber, then his incomplete training with Yoda where he gets his ass handed to him by Vader on Cloud City, then he had another year between ESB and Rotj to further practice, that's over 4 years we don't see to answer your question. Rey had 48 hours between two movies where she showed Jedi level proficiency, so 4 years vs 48 hours. She is clearly OP, despite her Palpatine heritage, so I have to side with Stevie
Yup Griffin dsnt know wtf he saying on this one. I feel he more got a kick outta pissing off Steve.
Luke still shouldn't have been able to beat Vader. He got 5min of training from obi-wan on the falcon and that's all the real saber training he received. Both Rey and Luke were Mary Sues
@@tari8134 except Luke didn't fight Vader in the first movie did he? Did Rey? Yup, and she beat Kylo. Three years go by before ESB, and Luke could've practiced much more, plus it's vague how long he trains with Yoda, before he fights Vader, and he loses handily (pardon the pun). Does Rey? Nope, she goes from 24-48 hours from picking up a lightsaber to beating Kylo, to beating Luke in a fencing duel, then beating several elite Praetorian guards to lifting boulders like they are nothing. Apples to oranges, the learning curve we see from her is unprecedented. Luke fails time and time again before triumphing, what is one thing Rey fails at? She's practically a Jedi master in 24 hours lol 😂
@@jusdrewit Rey beat Kylo because he had just got shot. Did you watch the movie? You could beat Jon Jones in a fight if he gets shot beforehand.
@@tari8134 did you watch the movie? We see people go absolutely flying everytime they get hit with the bowcaster in the movie but not with Kylo, so clearly it was just a glancing blow. Funny how him being shot didn't matter when he fought Finn, a bigger and stronger opponent with exactly the same amount of lightsaber training...none. Lastly, using your analogy, I would 100% disagree, a glancing wound on Jon Jones and he would still beat the majority of people on this planet
Obi won and Yoda are masters lmao love you Eric but you don’t know the cannon that’s fine but ur speaking as fact it’s not lol Steve is in the right lol
When he said obi wan wasn't a master I was red zoning like Steve lol
Almost as bad as the GOT season 8 debate with Bobby. Also Steve is clearly more knowledgeable about star wars. That being said....great podcast episode.
SERIOUSLY.. That Obi "Wasn't a Master Jedi?"... Dont One HAS TO BECOME A MASTER JEDI TO TEACH!!! PADAWANS.. SMH.. Eric DUMB'FUK
Also died at "Obi Wan Kenobi wasn't a master jedi"
Erik I need to have that Luke/Rey conversation with you because almost every point you made I had a response for. I was getting so mad at my phone sweatin’ like Steebee hahahaha.
Also ya gotta stop telling Steve he ain’t listening every few minutes! He is he just sucks at articulating his thoughts.
Love you two together though!
I think it was griffin calling the LightSaber a stick more then him saying he wasn’t listening lol 😂😂😂😂
Dude goes red zone when it comes to Luke. Even tho nobody truly knows the full type of training yoda taugh him the whole time they were on Dagobah
2 people not that into star wars arguing about star wars is hilarious
And enraging at the same time lmao
@@snavisTM shouldnt you be at an office cubicle or a wedding or some other real life bullshit scenario that makes you feel special and important and all that???
@@snavisTM wow sad life ,thats what you do for fun...
Tuuuhhh!^^^^😂😂😂
I thought these 2 were hardcore from the conversation, but I've not seen any of them since I was 3
Erik was so obnoxious with the whole "you're not listening" thing.
Luke was an athletic fighter because of his force powers, which Yoda trained him to harness. He didnt have great lightsaber dueling technique early on. He had his goddamn hand chopped off. Rey knew how to fight, but she was never trained using lightsaber techniques. Yet she somehow because an expert lightsaber duelist immediately
But Rey's been fighting her whole life. Even if she hasn't been using a light saber, she still has fighting and survival skills she acquired on her own, so it will be easier for her to catch on to the ways of the Jedi faster than someone who's been farming their whole life. It's like a street kid who's been street fighting their whole life will learn boxing faster than someone who hasn't.
That's why Mike Tyson was so great. He was already brawling as an adolescence. So when Cus D'Amato found him, he learned quickly. If Mike Tyson was a farmer instead of some street kid from Brooklyn, it may have taken him 100 times longer to learn the skills. What Erik is saying is that Rey and Luke were raised differently and Rey's background was already tougher than Luke's, that's why she learned so much faster.
bro it's just his opinion he's a comedian not a movie critic
@EtherealMind What about woke Twitter?
I agree with Steve that a stick isn't a light saber. It's BS that she learned some new powers by reading some books.
I didn't pick up that she learned anything from those books, this movie didn't even address that those books existed and I thought that Yoda destroyed them with lightning in the last movie. I think what this movie wanted you to believe was that she was trained by Leia and through training with the force this was something she figured out she could do. I'm only a casual fan of Star Wars but I'm pretty sure that everyone has their own "abilities" or gifts/strengths when it comes to the force and lightsabers.
Those weren't just some books, but I agree.
They do.. every jedi is different, and there is no way of knowing until their abilities manifest and the jedi starts experimenting after their ascent or awakening. A lot of the jedi that ppl compare her to aren't good at many things. Most are good at one thing, almost none are great at force and saber. It's usually one or the other. A looooot of jedi are mediocre really, and some only excel in intelligence, strategy, politics, or teaching... so nothing too special there. The whole shit is basically a telling of the chosen bloodline.. and it goes deeper if u care enough. It is what it is... I don't really like the way the new ones went but they were good films... 8 was definitely my least favorite of all of the star wars movies though. What are gunna do tho :p
its translate to wielding a sword. Its like having the basics down. How is that so hard to understand?
@@roflrofl1234rofl But healing though ?
"You think Joe Rogan is going to come to your little dungeon?" 😆😆
Everytime I see Steve it blows my mind how someone can look so young and old at the same time.
Cmac 613 joe goes to very few dungeons other than his own
Those Asian genes lol
Steve gets so mad he can’t even look at Erik at one point so he covers his eyes lmao
I LOVE how annoyed Stevie was getting. His building rage is my ambrosia
exaltedchampion we need a red zone meter
man, this is like watching a conversation between me and my friends. I'm on steves side in this argument tbh lol
dreaded360 tbf tho Erik did make his point 45 times while Steve was trying to explain his side. Erik wouldn't let Steve explain himself or even gather some thoughts, because he was constantly being barraged by "she read a book and now knows exactly how to use whatever force ability she wants" and "she can swing a metal pole around, that means she must easily pick up lightsaber skills and beat KYLO REN who was trained by Luke and snoke (sidious). Either way it was a funny podcast to watch.
@@dreaded360 fuck outta here griff was wrong on this one.
@@dreaded360 You're the moron. Your ignorance tells you that if someone doesn't react in a way that you agree with or understand, that you'll label them a moron. How about you learn that people are different, engage differently.
Franki glvsses fuck off, you’re just as much a child as Steve is
I'm only here because I'm a Steebee fan, but he was totally wrong. Steve is too nostalgic and emotionally invested in Luke. The fact is we don't know how much training Ray has. All we do know is that she could easily rape Luke Skywalker
Shutter Island is one of his best! Then Eric started trying to talk about it yet Steve had no idea what he was talking about and I started screaming SHUTTER ISLAND! Yet they just moved passed it... haha
The part where you guys get heated i have to say Stevie is more in the right. I understand what Erik is saying about Rey already being a physical fighter when you meet her and that is true, but she knows how to handle conventional weapons. A lightsaber is an entirely different deal, sabers are unwieldy weapons with lopsided weight, they require force assistance to effectively use and master. Luke really didn't get much training either so it's a fair point, but at the very least Luke practiced with the ball training device thing. He was practiced blind which required him to use the force to predict and sense movements. It's really not much at all but it's still more than Rey ever had before she picked up a saber and used it.
Eric is totally right, we have no idea how much training she had and we know Luke didn't even much at all
Nah I'm not gunna explain it but luke had 4 years of training look it up if u care enough
Finn wanted to tell Rey that he is force sensitive. Multiple times in the movie, Finn comments that he can feel things, much like Force users can. He senses danger and the presence of his friends.
steve was borderline red zoning this whole episode hahahaha
This conversation is making me mad lmao first off:
Luke is a farm boy who lives on his farms but what do farmers fight against? Sand people, pests, etc.
Obi-wan showed Luke that with the force he become to learn to be a Jedi. That’s when he showed the the Jedi mind trick and showed him how to deflect blasters bolts by tapping into the force. Luke then goes to master yoda on how to use the force as well. But the main theme of this Luke was shown and partly trained on how to use the force and how to understand it.
Rey in the force awakens Jedi mind tricks a guard outta no where. She then defeats Kylo who was trained by Luke and Snoke and still bested by her.
Word up son!Yeah that type of logic is why I can't get into these Disney Jedi's.
I think it can be explained simply that raw Rey is exponentially more powerful than Luke through out much of we see in the first two original films.
Exactly!!! and Kylo's a massive whiny bitch which is annoying. Sorry, I'm still not over the first one where he just threw a fit the whole time. Oh! and you didnt mention that even after all that training, Luke still got his ass whooped time and time again.
She been a palpatine this whole time...lol
@@erikm5121 I think it was more just about "ok, we need to wrap this up. No time for character development..."
"Can we edit the last 30 minutes?" lmaooooooooooooooooooooo
You two are BEAUTIFUL together. I think Steve is at his best with a co-host. Erik is a good balance of professionalism and quick wits to go with Steve's eccentric persona.
Boba is not a mando but a bounty hunter with a dead mando's gear.
KinG DaviD how do you know this?
@@ericrondeau5612 boba shows his face. mandos dont.
@Flash Fordon Boba Fett has Mandalorian training and a inferior Mandalorian set of armor. He was Trained by Jango Fett who was an actuall Mandalorian. Boba Fett was a clone of Jango, who Jango raised as his own son.
@@erictheguapo actually what you said is not canon anymore. gorge Lucas wanted to make it clear that Jango fett was not a mandalorian. He did a episode on the clone wars tv show that explained it. He basically ruin jango fett.
I totally get what both you guys are saying but I have to agree with Steve I do think that they set up Luke by training him on the other hand Rey beats Kylo on there first fight no training I also think this new movie kind of demystifies the force by using it as a plot device to bring characters back to life it ruins the Lord because then yeah you have to think why couldn’t Anakin can do it why couldn’t Obi-Wan do it doesn’t make sense at all
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker discussion starts around 26:33
Thanks
Erik - forget the word Jedi
Thats literally what makes the whole difference in the training though lol
Dress up light saber fighting with all the talks about stances and Vapaad shit all you want, it's still just basic staff/sword play
Exactly why Griffin Losses the arguement.
Myztik you gotta realize star wars is not real and all basic logic does not apply like Griffin and you think it should.
Erik telling steebee he doesn’t listen in the middle of steebees sentence
Go binge the animated clone wars & rebels Series asap Steve & griff
spitzdeadlee “the Mandalorians arent a race” smh
I've never even seen that stuff and am just a casual movie fan but I've played some of the games and I clearly remember being a healer on the star wars MMO because "force healing" was a thing. Seeing them shit on it for being completely made up and out of nowhere so hard was funny because they just didn't even know what they are talking about.
I just finally am checking those out😁👍
heard that boba fett isn’t mandalorian. he was a bounty hunter with mando armor basically but never lived by the mando culture
Where did u hear that
Thats facts. Boba Fett was never a Mandalorian. Why do you think we saw his face in episode 2.
Erik is such a simpleton when it comes to movies lmao
For real he has some awful takes lol...like if you're gonna do a podcast about movies at least know what the fuck you're talking about
A ROS review from 2 Star Wars “nerds” who don’t even know what a mandalorian is, noice
Vino yeah but then i guess they shouldn’t also act like they know everything about star wars
But they talked about it?
dig duck they dont know shit about ros either
“I consider my self a Star Wars nerd”
Someone take his card for not knowing who the Mandalorians were
lmao at Steebee tryin his best not to pull out the steak knives and go full redzone xD
46:55 Steve trying to calm his self down 😂
That needs to be a shirt
Steve in the pink zone
The look on Steve’s face (when the computer turned on) he thought Erik’s place was legit haunted. So funny 😂
What time frame was it , to rewatch it. Thanks in advance
@@juancarlosch1511 6:24
Erik’s wrong. Luke began training with Kenobi, continued with Yoda, returned to Degoba after Cloud City and completed his training with Yoda to become a Jedi Master. Genetics and Midiclorian levels also play a part (not sure of all spelling).
You guys need to co-host a separate podcast together
The chemistry is real
Shutter Island was the DiCaprio movie u were thinking of. Killer flick..
My favorite duo, keep it up fellas.
These two need their own podcast weekly
100% agree with all of Steve's Star wars movie positives!
I used to work at Puente Hills.. It was where they filmed Back to the Future.. the mall parking lot. :D
That “yeah” and look at the camera Steven gave at 45:43 would have been me the whole discussion 😂
steve the puente hills mall is where they filmed back to the future
The lees brothers and griffin need to do this together
They have already
Renaming "the dark side" to "the red zone"
START A PODCAST TOGETHER!!!
47:00 Erik is making me red-zone as well. What Erik is not allowing Steve to say is they invested a good amount of character building into Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker. They did not do this for Rey, which is why Luke Skywalker is an icon and Rey is a joke. While Erik is right, Luke does start out as a farm boy on a desert planet and is never really properly trained, he is also not an instant-bad a$$ either. He gets clobbered by sand people. He is tossed around like a pup at Mos Eisely by two face and the walrus. He can barely deflect the lasers from that practice droid thing on the Millenium Falcon. He almost gets eaten by the garbage disposal monster. He's pretty much bumbling and helpless through the entire first two movies. We go all the way through the first Star Wars and half way through Empire Strikes back before Luke really does anything with his light saber, which is battle Darth Vader. And he GETS HIS HAND CUT OFF. Luke faced the baddest M-Fer in the galaxy and what you expect happens is what happens...he is beaten soundly and loses a hand, and would be dead if Vader wasn't his father. Luke finally is kind of a bad-a$$ in Return of the Jedi. It takes THREE MOVIES for him to get there. Rey is overpowered the SECOND SHE TOUCHES A LIGHT SABRE. She beats this triology's all powerful sith lord(Kylo Ren) the first time she touches a light sabre. It's disgusting. It makes no sense.
ERIK...you are the one who isn't listening. I had to type a book just explaining Luke's journey. Rey has NO JOURNEY. It makes for a vapid, empty, unlikeable character. The only way I would have cheered for Rey on the screen is if she had died.
Leo in gangs of New York one of my favorite movie of all time
"You can't have backstory on a story we already know"
Great point about why this new Star Wars felt flat but HBO Watchmen actually did this to great effect. The reason why it works is that the new addition to the Watchmen storyline doesn't change any of the events that happened in the original but it does add another layer that makes it feel more meaningful.
Watchmen was awesome👍
The funniest thing is that they both were right. Steve's point was that he thinks Rey should be lacking because she had no Jedi training whatsoever whereas Luke did get trained by Jedi Masters (Yoda mostly and Obi-wan). Erik's point was that prior to ANY training whatsoever Rey coulda whooped that farm boys ass because she had to be tough and fight in the environment that she grew up instead of picking daisies. Erik saw this as 'training' to some degree but Steve says, "fuck that that aint Jedi training". Tbh even Luke was shocked when Rey grabbed the saber but i want to relate it to Anakin and his piloting skills. It did translate as he was one of the best pilots in the galaxy but I wouldn't necessarily ever call it official training.
Damn haha Erik was really gas lighting Steve. Dope episode tho, I always look forward to the movie reviews with the lee brothers
53:36 Steve is right. I’ve been into some fist fights growing up but that doesn’t mean I could compete with mike Tyson
Yeah how many times were those fights against 4+ people and you walked away practically untouched?
@@TungstenToenails all the times I used my jedi mind tricks to disarm them
This needs to be a weekly podcast.
I like how grif said "jack sparrow guy" as if he really didn't know Johnny Depp's name
DiCaprio in 'Gangs of New York' was amazing too!
Luke practiced with the lightsaber with that little robot. I’m not a Star Wars fan but I don’t get the argument.
If you're doing the MMA comparison, it's like Rey knowing taekwondo before going into MMA and Luke learning straight MMA from knowing nothing.
Erik you are def not a star wars nerd if you don't know mandalorians :)
mrstarfishh33 facts lol
mrstarfishh33 he needs to watch the clone wars
My exact thought.
And he then confirmed it with the whole baby yoda statement.
Star Wars nerds know that Yoda's race is unknown. Where they originate, how the reproduce, and the name of their race is unknown.
@@erictheguapo exactly
Erik is just trying to say that Rey would have kicked Luke's ass if they met when they were first introduced. Hence shes a tougher Jedi since she already had skills before becoming a Jedi.
Has Erik really never heard the word Folklore before?
Better than gold. Thanks to everyone involved!!!!
Amazing, love you both. On the DiCaprio list, what about The Departed!?
they tried to say it but couldn't come up with the title
All of Steve's points were excellent and he was totally listening to everything Erik said. Erik's crux of his argument seemed to be: "FORGET EVERY GOOD POINT YOU KEEP MAKING AND JUST AGREE WITH ME."
I love hearing ERIK and Steve together
Erik we need you back again on Steves show roasting his apartment in 2020!
Erik "let me finish my point but I'll keep cutting you off and telling you your not listening" Griffin
You two need to start a movie podcast ASAP!!
Steve aged 20 years by the end of this podcast.
So he finally look his age.
never have seen or plan to see any star wars movies but this is great content lol
Dang. Youre cool.
ZenoSama_ because I genuinely could care less about Star Wars...? You are right I suppose I am cool
The California force is so strong with Steebee that he had Erik saying “Stoke” the entire episode lol
21:31 The discussion begins. I'm a huge Star Wars fan and to quote Darth Tyranuus ''I've been looking forward to this.''
The Departed not mentioned in the Leo discussion...what a shame.
22:35 , the Puente Hills mall is where key scenes of Back to the Future was shot
Luke trained with Yoda in the force. It never shows him doing extensive training with a light saber.
Luke's lightsaber training was getting his ass kicked by vader twice
he was saber training in the falcon with the laser droid. we all saw that in a new hope
he was saber training in the falcon with the laser droid. we all saw that in a new hope
4 years of training off screen inbetween all three films of the original trilogy
Please do a part 2! Your movie discussions are the best
The next movie needs to have someone that's not force sensitive pick up a lightsaber and immediately dismember themselves.
They put a short ad on your video at about the 32min mark. Once it finished your video closed.
"at the coachella event" hahaaaaaaa
"Stoke"? ...... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand i'm out
To be fair snoke is very unmemorable
Steve, as much as I like him and respect him, is really bad at arguing.
@EtherealMind If he said that liberals and feminists would be on his side... he would be arguing that Hollywood only depicts women in certain way. Confused how you made a progressive point and then proceeded to blame any potential backlash on the very groups that think the same way
Bro it totally looked like Leia was flying in the last Jedi in space hahaha I totally agree with Steve. That was my initial thought as well “oh so Jedi’s fly?” Lol
50:19 Erik gives Steve a mild heart attack
You two are a dope duo. The time has come to become one👊🏽
100% they should have a podcast together
Luke trained with the light saber with Obi on the Falcon
Luke gets his hand chopped off and Rey beats everyone she fights
Yea but it was vader that did it
Yeppp🙄
Steebee Webee was so on point Eric was fighting like a girl not even listening to his points. I've had the same problems with new star wars. But now I know you can't explain it. Its bullshit having different writing!!!!
48:32
“We’re talking about Jedi shit!”
omg so good lol I was yelling at my screen for the both of you on some parts
And I usually dont do this, but more Steebie please...
The laptop turning on dude 😂😭😂
I'm starting dancing each time I hear the music at the beginning. Definitely the best soundtrack of all podcasts.
You can't beat having a Lee brother on Riffin with Griffin!
The only movie review show where they havent seen any of the recent movies
Can you believe it? These two nerf herders don't know what a mandalorian is!
Please have a joint podcast together your chemistry is on point
Puente Hills Mall is where they filmed the Back to the Future Delorean scene
I can see why Bobby chose Andrew over Erik. Erik’s constant gaslighting and over talking is unbearable. Props to Steebee for gutting it out
Ima have to go team Steebee on this one. also Erik wasn't listening.
*Pushes Up Glasses*
Technically, Boba Fett is not a Mandalorian, he is a clone of Jango Fett. Now Jango Fett was a Mandalorian and was raised on Mandalore. Boba Fett was raised on a planet called Kamino.