Bringing up mental health is perfect. After spending 20 years in active addiction with no real hobbies or purpose I spent 5 months in inpatient rehab and came home and got into reptiles. Now my reptile room is a sanctuary for peace and tranquility with my buds. 2 1/2 years clean and not looking back.
Ugh. I hate that they're doing this... we should all try and do like clints reptiles and figure out how to get in touch with our communities and get our laws to make sense instead of make things worse for everyone including the animals. Thanks for this video, as always
The thing I hate about the hobby is that most keepers are extreme pacifists. It wasn't until the Holy Thursday Massacre that people started to grow a spine and really speak out on issues.
And even then, it was only a handful of social media posts. Most of the people never did anything that would actually make an impact. They just used it as an opportunity to talk about something and make viral videos.
@JasonsExoticReptiles I think Kenan and Wicken had the best responses, they atleast looked a little pissed. Also (I think Daniel) from USARK Florida was a great guy, he really came in ready to hold everyone to account. I especially loved the IRL meetings, and Rodney Barreto getting so mad at people telling him he was shit at his job. Btw what are your thoughts on Reptile Royalty?
It really is! I bring this up constantly while doing education, but reptiles, and especially snakes, are great for people suffering from mental health issues. They're very grounding and very soothing and very gentle. Personally, they've helped me tremendously with my anxiety and depression throughout my entire life.
The term mental health really took off these past few years. I see it as a way to abdicate responsibility for one's own emotions. People speak on their 'mental health' as if it's some foreign thing they contend with and placate. This is not natural or the situation. People contend with the huamn condition, that being their sense of attachment, emotions, and ultimately themselves, or the idea of self which bring about suffering. Anyways, the main crux of theis piticular issue is as old as time itself. If you trade freedom for security you will have neither. It is not the goverments place to regulate wildlife. The constitution made it clear that their jurisdiction is only the district of Columbia
@@Saturn-Matrix As someone suffering from mental illness, it's not an excuse for behavior, it's a challenge to overcome. Anyone who does use it as an excuse is doing a discredit for people who struggle with it because a mental illness should not be someone else's problem. However it is a real thing and I hate people who use it as an excuse just as much as you. It's also a good thing if you don't understand mental illness, because it means you're not mentally ill.
Great topic, my next vid is going to touch on this to a degree. I think the best thing we can do is to really push the educational programs and promote them when we do, this counters the bad press we will undoubtedly get. I have our city's museum contacting me every year to bring our reptiles for educational days and I always push for them to invite the mayor, city council, animal control...anyone that could impact laws so that we can educate them first hand before they are asked to ban our animals.
It’s very unfortunate! The crazy part is that the animal education stuff that you do is probably going to be on the list to Ban first. They consider that a traveling animal act and it has been on the docket multiple times. It has become very close to getting past many times.
This is a very well spoken point. To me, their benefits with depression can not be overstated. I don't think this is the end of our hobby but I do think it will validate the ignorance of snakes specifically, and reptiles in general. It seems like every single time people find out I have constrictors, the first thing they ask is 'you ain scared they'll squeeze you to death?'... followed by 'aren't they poisonous?'... to 'don't they lay beside you to size you up to eat you?' In addition to the large companies you mentioned, I think keepers like Dwight Howard and other highly visible enthusiasts should use their platforms to help correct this stigma.
I agree with you in this. I feel one big thing that was left out that should be regulated was breeding animals with known hereditary issues, like wobbles, missing eyes and blindness. I think it's extremely sad and should be completely avoided. For other animals as well, for example pugs that can barely breathe and get sick from sinus issues. These "selected" inbred animals are extremely susceptible to illnesses and all sorts of diseases throughout their lives.
We can all blame Kevin McCurley for that one, he's the one that let Spider morphs into the pet trade. I'm not sure if the wobble was known before he started selling Spiders to other breeders.
@mrvwbug4423 can't argue that :) Once a genetic issue presents itself, I feel we need to stop allowing those animals with the issue to continue breeding, regardless of how pretty or cool they look.
Completely agree in every way. When I bred carpets I stayed away from jags. I retired my remaining infernalis garters due to congenital heart failure in the line. Won't breed any of my related geckos to each other. I've seen some really awful stuff firsthand especially with the person above mentioned.
I think this subject in the US is really difficult. Tons of keepers and breeders are really in favor of complete deregulation, but legitimately, there should be regulation on importing to keep the animals safe. Not to mention that, but there's plenty of bad apples in our bunch (not saying who, but their name rhymes with Rob Flark), that make us all look horrible.
I don’t know how bad this documentary could present reptile keeping compared to Tiger King. Eric Goode has explained in an interview that he has nothing against people getting a ball python or bearded dragon as a pet as long as they’re well educated on their care, but he absolutely believes big cats and primates aren’t pets. That’s all I’ve been able to collect on his position on reptile keeping.
The challenge is that it’s not his position that matters. A sensationalized documentary brings incorrect information to the front and starts a snowball where other people start making the regulations
The best hedge against external regulations is good self regulation...That is true on the personal level, professional level, and for the reptile industry. I didn't realize they were originally filming a reptile documentary, but it makes sense why Tom was in the first scene of tiger king. I'm sure that guy pulled up with a cat, and they were like "that's actually the real story." I think the pros/cons you lay out are right. The reptile hobby has a love hate relationship with attention. We need it and want it, but we are terrified about giving up control of our own narratives. Two things to I try to remember: discretion is the better part of valor and don't be deserving of scrutiny. We are all closer to illegal things and bad actors than we'd like to think. You aren't really anything in the reptile hobby until someone has offered you something illegal. I for one am too pretty for jail.
Great video and message! It won’t be the end but it will definitely shine a negative light on reptile keeping in general. The average person already doesn’t like reptiles and this will just reinforce that. Like you said it also doesn’t help that reptile keepers in general are not united either. We all like the same thing, that part should be easy.
What can you really expect from the common normie. They see that someone doesn't own a disgusting mutt or invasive cat, and want to force them to conform to what they think is only real pet.
Maybe it is not, but at least it’s a voice. Although it may seem unethical to some, the enclosures as clean and provide all the requirements for healthy animals.
Thing is that the rack system is what is normally used for breeders. There is absolutely no way they can house hundreds of their snakes in larger separate enclosures. As long as they are kept clean and healthy they should be fine. Now once they go to their forever homes then a much larger enclosure has to be considered.
@@phoenixflier25 @jasonsExotics I understand your statement, but if true then it's time we stop pretending this is in the animal's best interest or "providing everything the animal needs". The reality is that it's a matter of economics for breeders, not animal welfare. I would not argue that animals can survive in rack systems -- thriving, I'm not so sure. Puppy mills provide everything the dogs need to stay alive and healthy, yet we know exactly how the public feels about them.
I don’t know anything regarding laws outside of my state. But after seeing how light was cast on exotic animal owners from the first two movies, why the world would anyone take part in This film? People are selling their souls.
I 100% agree! I think the worst part is that we still make excuses of why we should respect these certain people who participated in this film, knowing what it would do.
I’ve heard Goode started filming the reptile doc prior to TK but it was put on hold because TK was a better project. Not making excuses for the reptile guys but some of the interviews may have been filmed before all the TK craziness hit (5 years ago) and they probably couldn’t have imagined how many views it would get in the future. Goode is also apparently a reptile fan so there’s a chance maybe he won’t go total scorched earth - however without any drama you don’t get a compelling story.
Jason, what type of BCC are you holding in this video? Also, such an important topic to cover. We, as reptile enthusiasts, need to educate the ‘non-reptile lovers’ on why we love our hobby. Your call to action as spot on!
Buddy y’all keeping snakes in drawers is part of the problem, if we want people to see the reptile/exotic keeping community in a better light we also need to actually do better, and care for these animals correctly. Promoting keeping snakes in each systems is not going to make them see this community any better. We need to start normalizing taking care of these animals the best way possible instead of settling for the bare minimum care. I think we should only encourage the use of those systems if absolutely necessary, in reality it’s not much better than a shoe box. Yes it costs a lot to breed, not just money of course, time & space, etcetera, but if you’re willing to spend all of the money on raising those babies and breeding you need to be willing to spend some money on giving them the right husbandry and housing. We can at least do a little better than little drawers with no enrichment.
Great video. I wish everyone would get along and understand that not everyone keeps these animals in the way others think they should. Also, what camera do you use to record? The quality is incredible!
I have a snake, I love reptiles, I am deeply invested in animal welfare and the environment (not animal rights, don't come at me for that one). Unfortunately, the reptile hobby does not always jive well with the environmental health or animal welfare. I think that there SHOULD be stricter regulations on reptile keepers. Reasonable regulations, like any other industry. No venomous snakes without licensure and training, no import, export, sale, or purchase of wild caught animals without license and permit, and maybe I do support a state by state white list. Sorry, we shouldn't wait for a species to become an environmental problem before taking action. And you know what, to have even more controversial takes, I would also support a limit on the number of animals any one person could possess legally. And don't even get me started on pet stores good lord. They have no business selling some of the stuff they do
I think big and venomous are definitely going to see more restrictions. Good content and raising awareness. Maybe we can get ahead of this a little bit.
The issue is that legislators typically sign off on bills with blanket bans and have zero education behind it. There is a city near me that has a blanket ban on all pythons, because of the invasive species issue of reticulated pythons in Florida. IM IN MINNESOTA, they banned ball python!
Maybe something like we have in the UK where you have to hold a Dangerous Wild Animal License (DWA) where you have to show you're responsible and have srict escape proof rooms and enclosures etc. Lets be real. People like prehistoric pets have done giant snakes a disservice. Tiny cages, breeding tons of retic babies etc.
@@Hi_Im_Akward Yup that is what politicians do. Its the same for any hobby. I am in Canada and what the liberal government did to LEGAL firearms owned by licensed owners is disgusting. We had a couple leaders that were scared of everything and thought hollywood represents reality so everything had to get banned. They didn't even understand the current laws we had on the books and they are supposed to be lawmakers.... which is part of the problem... they just make more and more and more laws refusing to truly understand the laws that are already in place. They were calling semi auto rifles with 5-10 round magazines as "military grade" because they have a black exterior and adjustable stock to better fit people. No more dangerous than a wooden semi auto hunting rifle. They base everything on looks alone and also pay more attention to mass hysteria over the well educated groups of experts. The west in general seems to be in a race with itself to legislate our way into the basement where no one can do anything because it "could" be dangerous if someone that is bad decides that some day they may use something in an illegal manner to harm someone. I hate the concept of bringing EVERYONE down to the lowest common denominator just because a select few are incredibly stupid and irresponsible. That is the kind of stuff that happens in kindergarten classrooms and should not be how countries are run. People that enjoy their respective hobbies need to be more vocal and more forceful, that is a given. I no longer have any reptiles but I certainly hope the community fights back against any unjust sweeping laws/bans. I will throw my hat in the pile in whatever way I can if things get bad.
I don't remember watching any of it videos in the past, but I just wanted to say this video is absolutely amazing. I couldn't agree with u more. Also, I feel like u mentioned a few things I didn't even think about (like the reptile "birthday party" people. I hope more ppl that aren't as familiar with ur channel see this video. Thx for helping my hobby and yours ♥️
I worked for Mickey Meyer of show me reptiles for years and modded all his groups, ran the business pages since like 2017 until 2 years ago. I knew this man on a personal level, I delt with his vendors, etc. yeah theres a lot that needs addressed in this hobby starting with certain people who let things slide in our community or even help fund certain things that hurt our hobby. We also need to stop letting certain people slide on predatory behavior just because of who they are in our hobby. Some of those educational shows aren't all that great when it boils down to it but there are some great folks out there who actually try to educate others and thats what I saw lacking from the inside with show me and other businesses in the hobby.
A former coworker I know worked hard to obtain a venomous handler's license in my state, I don't think this is a bad idea for those who want to own venomous reptiles, with the exceptions of the rear-fanged, medically insignificant species, like hognoses (so cute!)
Tom will readily admit he did some shady stuff decades ago, but he also basically wrote the book on modern reptile husbandry. I suspect it will be a total character assassination of Crutchfield knowing Goode's style. Remember because of Goode people still view Carole Baskin as some sort of villain even though it was Joe Exotic who actually murdered someone.
@ Yeah I imagine it will be somewhat of a character assenting but hopefully he shines some light on some of the good sides of the hobby. I thought Goode was a bit of a reptile enthusiast. The keeping of tigers is on another level compared to most reptiles. I definitely see him going after people like the Taipan guy and smugglers.
It is. The problem is that Tom has done a ton of shady stuff. People glorify him now because he comes across and an old grandpa, but they forget all the shady stuff he did. He may regret it now, but he had no problem making millions exploiting animals from the wild for money.
@ Knowing how Goode has portrayed the tiger and chimp people, you would think Crutchfield is not the smartest guy to agree to a documentary. But maybe he didn’t agree or maybe there is money involved.
No animal should be stored like a toy, like I store my Warhammer figures. Even as someone who adores reptiles but has never owned, I don't understand how the community think that little totes where they never light receive light (natural or supplied by various bulbs). Not to mention how common folks breed reptiles, I don't know why there is a different standard on how people view cats/dogs compared to reptiles - they deserve just as good of lives.
I totally agree! You see that on a lot of channels where big snakes are kept in boxes where they can barely move. Done just so they can make money breeding them. What happens to all these baby snakes if no one buys them?
Look behind him in the video. 😅 This is one of the biggest things that need to go in the reptile world. It looks bad outwardly, and it doesn't benefit the animals (beyond hatchlings/newborns that you need to keep a close watch on their feeding/shedding/pooping, then I understand racks, as a nursery). We also need to stop using words like "collection". No one says "here's my COLLECTION of guinea pigs and rabbits". It sounds so sterile and cold, like you're collecting Pokémon cards or action figures, rather than keeping animals.
@@itsallgood4093 Agreed. Even if snakes don’t have limbs like we do, being forced to live in a place you can’t fully stretch out in without wrapping around the wall can’t be comfortable. (Not speaking against hides, of course, but like the size of the inclosure over all.) Honestly, I think we all know deep down what happens to the reptiles that aren’t sold smh smh. I truly hope that someday reptiles and small mammals aren’t so mistreated, they all deserve to live their best little lives.
@@Aethuviel Oh yeah, and for some reptiles that have disabilities they have to have a smaller enclosure and it makes sense to start off small to make sure that everything with them is alright. And I know lol, seeing what was behind the poster is one of the reasons I was prompted to comment. Like, it gives such a poor impression that it’s kinda humorous - of course people are going to be skeptical of y’all when you keep your pets in Tupperware totes. That doesn’t take a genius to figure out.
Great job on this video Jason! IF reptiles are added to the Animal Welfare Act as proposed my concern is that the caging requirments will be ridiculous! And the days of using racks may be at an end which will hurt a lot of the bigger breeders especially in ball pythons who rely on them. This new show would not be of help to any of us either! Keep the great videos coming and thank you!
I think the benefits outweigh the negatives. There are too many breeders who keep adult ball pythons in racks the size of shoeboxes with no hides, substrate, heat, teeny caps of water, etc. If ball python breeders need to downsize their collections a little, so be it- the market is oversaturated anyways, it'd likely help their businesses. It also protects reptiles from geniune and deliberate cruelty, which they SHOULD BE.
@@amber-dk5ud We will just have to agree to disagree on the use of racks. BUT my question to you is if the market is over saturated and breeders have to down size. What happens to those snakes?
@@upstartart I don't think racks are bad, but there is a right and a wrong way to do it. If you believe that a snake should live in a box so small it cannot move, with barely enough water to drink, no heat, no hide, and absolutely nothing to do- you are exactly the problem and why we need to protect these animals. A rack should have all the same fundamentals as a regular enclosure. What makes you think breeding animals deserve to be treated cruelly and pets don't? Unfortunately, we are already seeing ball pythons euthanized in mass because people who have no business breeding are popping out 30 clutches a year. Downsizing and reducing how much breeders are breeding would save lives.
Eric Goode is the founder of the Turtle Conservancy and a keeper himself. He's got a tortoise species named after him, Gopherus evgoodei. He's told me personally that the show is focused on the origins and evolution of he reptile hobby. It's not a hit job.
I hope so, but that doesn’t mean the show doesn’t start the snowball and give it a push to start rolling down the hill. Once it’s moving, it’s sure to pickup a few things along the way. I don’t think it will take us out, but my best guess is that it will do something and likely more bad than good.
Like you ive been in this hobby since a kid and im a grandpa now. Pictures in the mail and a small community went to kingsnake then Myspace then vlogs and TH-cam. Sensationalism it has become for some and that has hurt worse than anything. Forgetting we are selling living creatures not coffe mugs. I understand, working at the quick e mart sucks right? However those with dollar signs in their eyes and clicks on their brains cause harm. Thats why i stepped out years ago and disappeared. Personal survival issues and the fact that our hobby was slowly loosing its hobby status. I commend the hell out of those that have held strong and done well not to mention true reptile breeders keepers are among the most patient waiting sometimes ten years or more for some projects. However the news and people's opinions are often based on what is wrong and not what is right. So they show the public all the irresponsibility that is occuring and side step the good. Responsible selling and buying most important. Piss you guys off or not you should check out the people you sell to for all want the doggy in the window and not all responsible enough to play the tape all the way through and why important as breeders and sellers of our beloved animals to make sure they can be responsibly cared for by the buyer. Oh i know it would limit sells however once again what is your motives? To care for your animals and find others to do the same or pay your electricity bill? As far as venomous it should be restricted to venom labs period. Yes its your life you hard headed boys and yes its yours to take in your own hands, however its a different story when that ass is dead and your family left without you just because you want to showboat with animals that can kill you. Lifes a choice isnt it? Imports should be banned except for animals needing to be propagated for further survival. Using genetic diversity as an excuse like has always been done is a crap excuse. Reptiles dont get weak from line breeding, they get week because in the wild not all babies survive and yet in captivity most do and not supposed to and pass on weak genes. If imports stopped it may not help pocket books of some but it would sure benefit the animals because then only captive bred would be available and long lists of waiting for certain species however it would separate those that do this for love from those with dollar signs in their eyes. So many of you wanted this to become a Big Thing and now it is and now big problems. You better find solutions or Big Brother will and back to the quick e mart boys! Do a heart check if you got one and if the shoe fits wear it, if not move along and best of luck. 🌹
To be honest, i think some regulations should change. Particularly in concern to pet stores more than private keepers. I hear so many stories about people rescuing snakes from general pet stores because they were clearly sick and under weight. I think a pet store should be required to care for them properly and keep them properly fed and vet checked to make sure theyre healthy. We shouldn't have to buy snakes from pet stores to rescue them. But i dont think the regilations should apply to people who privately keep snakes as pets as long as they are caring for the snake properly. I do believe you should be able to report animals abuse just as you would do with cats or dogs and should be on site vet checked to ensure that owners are getting falsely accused of mistreating a snake or any animal for that matter. But i dont think pet trade regilations should apply to the average keeper, only pet stores and registered beeeders. And there should be a penalty for breeding unlicensed, with the assumption that one isnt breeding for their private collection. I think the threshold for being a "large scale breeder" should be at around 15 breeding size snakes, less than that can be a private collection but any more and you have to register as a breeder with the intent to make a profit in the private pet trade, including being required to file taxes as a private business. Granted, i know nothing about running a business or thenpet trade in terms of breeding, and it could probably benefit from act breeders input as per limits or thresholds from private collector to official breeder. But i definitely think all breeding for purpose of supplying the private pet trade should be regilated, at least in terms of care and ensuring safe and healthy living conditions. I know most private breeders are going to do this anyways because they arent doing it just for the profit, they do it because they love reptiles and truly care for them regardless of federal regulations. But for the few out there who are essentially running the snake version of a puppy mill with poor conditions and malnourished animals, there should be strict and heavy penalties. As long as they are REASONABLE, i think regulations could use some reworking and enforcing because i dont think REASONABLE regulations are going to negatively effect legit breeders who have a true passion for reptile. I also think regulations should apply to the entire pet trade, not just reptiles.
This sucks, I really hope it isn’t going to be a huge problem for us. Things are already pretty strict here in NYS we don’t need anymore bs legislation and over-policing of what we keep. We have more than enough.
What locality of boa are you holding? One of mine looks just like that, and I have never know fully what he is. The pixel-y sides throw me off. I don't know how worried I am, really. There's a lot more people keeping reptiles all over the world, than there are keeping something like a tiger, which is a completely unreasonable animal. Even big reptiles like alligators and retics, are more reasonable than a tiger. I do think they're going to mention smuggling, and they'll likely focus on things like venomous for sure. The idiots causing trouble that we're all familiar with by now. But even then, there are lots of hobbyists and professional keepers who keep venomous and large reptiles, safely and ethically. I don't know anyone who keeps a tiger as a pet ethically. Even registered sanctuaries struggle to meet their base demands. The impact remains to be seen, but I doubt it'll change much, compared to what tiger king did. Most people, even ones who might not like snakes, will probably agree a boa is no tiger.
This is a Peruvian BCC. I would say it is unlikely this is what you have since these are $3000 to $4000 and very rare. You would have known if you had one of these because you would’ve paid for it. The challenge isn’t necessarily about Tigers versus reptiles. It’s that these laws sneak in to specific bills and nobody really cares because nobody cares about Reptiles. There’s no thought about it and we don’t have anybody looking out for us, including the reptile keepers themselves!
Its messed up ive spent my whole life keeping native reptiles and venomous all to wanna do it right so i went got the mentor and the hours and not even one year after have my license and animals they are being ban as of Jan 20th im grandfathered in but ruins the point of it all im devastated what should we do move to state with no laws to fufill our dream or let them have it their way from Louisiana btw
I can’t find anything on the internet about Eric Goode making this documentary. I guess he had it planned before tiger king and it never happened but can’t find anything indicating he’s going to make it at all or what it will be about. Does anybody have more info?
Im fine with regulation when it comes to animal welfare, human safety, conservation (smuggling endangered animals or invasive species managment). HOWEVER, usually when these regulations come down the govorning body that makes these decisions do not approach it with any nuance and the ones complaining are usually the louder voice. Its extremely important to be involved with local politics about this. Show up and plead your case, if your an expert you have a responsibility to show up. Clints Reptiles had an excellent recent video on how they changed local regulation and it gives a pretty good inside look at how slanted it can be. Animal rights activists usually have it wrong, they don't have the whole picture, they show a slanted view of things and are almost always backed by extremist orgs like peta.
I would like to add i think most people and their animals would benifit from taking the less with more enrichment view. I have been keeping for 20 years and it wasn't until recent years that i really took this to heart and that's greatly due to Tom crutchfield. Good keepers grow with the science and when things are found to not be beneficial to your animals you should make a change. Ball pythons are crazy over bred as well as things like bearded dragons, boas, sulcata, retics and burms, etc and the rescues are filled to the brim. Most of the big breeders have stepped back as well, the hobby is way over saturated and animals are being harmed bc of it.
I think it’s pretty hypocritical of Tom to all of a sudden have this epiphany after doing all of this incredibly unethical stuff for almost 50 years after he has profited millions on behalf of treating animals cruelly
The only way to ensure that dangerous animals that are not indigenous to the US do not get loose, is to never have them here in any capacity to begin with. Look at the issue in FL now with pythons and iguanas. It is not good for people who live around when an accident occurs and they get out.
Good. It's a shitshow of human trainwrecks and their hate of each other, organized crime and drama, and then the last episode (in both seasons) finish with an animal liberation argument about how these backyard zoos run by criminals are bad, and therefore, zoos and exotic animal keeping shouldn't exist. 🙄 While also ignoring the horrible places called "sanctuaries" and giving them a free pass.
Im sure this will impact us as keepers! Its paramount we all make sure our keeping is above reproach!! We need self governing for irresponsible breeding and keeping!!!
Whilst I agree with you on most things.. such as not being an arse with online videos, being like Jeff etc... perhaps things like minimum cage sizes and more standards will raise the standard for all reptiles in captivity with improved environments. Maybe they could consider exempting breeders from certain aspects but for those that have pets I don't think minimum cage sizes is a bad thing and it might stop people 'collecting' snakes just to say they have got a large number of them.
What does the community do, not against new laws etc, but agains the irresponsible keepers/smugglers/invasiv species? 'It would be good to but an end to SOME(?!!) of this stuff"... Who? The not keepers? Or should the keepers say: We the keepers should fight ALL of it?
One thing I've not seen mentioned in any of the videos I've seen about this so far. Is I bet they go after breeders keeping snakes in racks. We all understand most people don't. I bet they'll try to equate it with something like puppy mills. They spend an awful lot of time in tiger King focusing on breeding,caging and tiger cub pictures. I bet the word inbreeding gets thrown around a lot if they start talking about genetics. They'll also probably say it's the commoditization of animals. I love these animals and this hobby. I'm just trying to think of all the angles of attack. The thing that might help in the eyes of the public. Is everyone's known someone with a pet snake or lizard or turtle. The majority of people would not consider that a problem. Maybe that person is a little weird but you know. Even kids in movies have had all these pets. Not so much with big cats.
I don’t disagree, but if somebody tries to put a ban on dog and cat owners, you’re going to have 2 million people show up to oppose it. Somebody tries to do a ban on Reptiles and you might have one or two people show up to oppose it.
We own big cats. Once Tigerking came out it helped pass the big cat safety act which isn't worth the paper it's written on . Good luck even finding a Tiger cub anymore. Buckle up reptile people when this show comes out . Nothing will be safe
I have a clumbia rainboa and recently brought common baby boa she lovely please don’t band boas I be really peed off as if you take great care of them and show them respect they absolutely great docile snakes. I from uk hope don’t effect us to
I don't agree with this hobby and I'm not going to be watching it. I know theyre going to try and demonize Tom and Tyler and I happen to enjoy both of them. We have to keep doing the best we can to promote responsible keeping.
My biggest problem is that both of them did this knowing exactly what it would do to our hobby. Yet everybody still makes excuses for them on why they are so great. They did this to get a paycheck and they don’t really care if it takes everybody down with them.
@@JasonsExoticReptiles Yea people say that they are fully in on keeping all reptiles as safe and healthy as possible yet go and do things that negatively impact the public’s view on what they are which isn’t going to help us at all. We need people whose opinions can’t be bought and stand with their morals through without doing dumb stuff for views and money. People want their cake and want to eat it too which is obviously a big problem with the community right now when we have popular people doing dumb shit for making money!
This is not going to be pleasant. We in the hobby, are just starting to recover from Discovery's hit piece series "fatal attractions", as well as the books "The Lizard King" and "Stolen World" Now, add this documentary, the dumbass with the cobra, and Jeff "face like a jar of mayonnaise left in the sun" Libeowitz aka the Taipan guy, as well as Jay "trying to promote hobby but adding to its destruction, but it's okay because I'm living the dream" Brewer. Its not going to be good for us.
Why do exotics owners always have to throw crap at "those other people with those animals"? 😑 I was with you until the elephants. Elephant owners in the US today are ethical. They got their animals decades ago, some as orphaned calves from ivory poaching, and raised them as family members. An elephant isn't just "an animal", it's another person in the family. And you can't use elephants for things such as rides without the elephant being with you on it. They're trained with love and positive reinforcement. Please don't buy the AR crap, they're the same people fighting every day to ban reptiles and put mandatory spay/neuter laws on cats and dogs, because they want ALL tame animals GONE from the world.
I agree 100%! With this video. The click bait videos need to stop. Live feedings, venomous free handing, results from bites, etc. I keep large monitors and have for over 3 decades and know 1st hand how negative press can and does change laws against us. As well the caging and reptile supply manufacturers need to step up and make their voices heard as well. Keep supporting USARK!
Think more laws New York State especially after 2021 laws change especially crocodilians ownership myself own 2004 to 2021 need now insurance own keep reptiles myself own them no problems that’s own alligators and caimans even baby Nile crocodile time yes did education activities part renewal license every year
Oh no you took what Dillon and AAHN said as "new". What people need to be doing is going to find a copy of The Lizard King book - which is the content you all are focused on. Reptile keeping does not come from a good place and it's important people understand the problems. As a bonus fact, The Tiger King was originally The Lizard King book and started at Crutchfield's before they found out about the wild cats and Joe Exotic. The man that murdered the federal agent that was interviewed in The Tiger King is there BECAUSE he was in The Lizard King. You might be angry at me but you listened to the wrong podcast. ☠
I said this in the video. Not all the details but that much of this was filmed before Tiger King and switched to tiger king. But it was never completed and filming started again recently.
@@JasonsExoticReptiles I saw. I appreciate your coverage of it. I just meant to illustrate that we should all be sending people to The Lizard King book and not AAHN. There is so much better and actually correct content out there.
@ I hear you! 95% of people are not going to make it 100% through my 8.5minute video. I’d bet .0001% will actually search for that book never mind read it!
@@JasonsExoticReptiles Yeah sorry if that came off weird. When I look back at how I wrote it I think it sounds like I'm saying you specifically don't know -- but you know. I meant people that watched that video got duped. I watch your videos. You're one of the few I watch now. On the lengthier topics, if you look at current proposed legislation, it will orbit around disease and use examples like chytrid. You showed people how to keep facilities clean and disease free - AAHN will bring on guests that will say vitamin D prevents the common cold and UV disinfects cages -- their information is wrong and dangerous which will lead to laws passing because it makes us look stupid in animal welfare topics. Your video on disinfecting tubs is close to veterinary and kennel standards - that will help the hobby as a whole. But getting people to sit down and follow that is a huge challenge.
What do you have against big constrictors? I've met burms that are nicer than some dogs, I know mine is. Large constrictors may not be for you but don't group us in with mishandlers and people who freehand venomous.
Not sure if this comment is for me or general comment but I have a bunch of burms. I have nothing against them. They are just an easy target and have been close to getting banned many times. This could be the push.
@JasonsExoticReptiles I think I have seen you with some bigger snakes before. Just a few comments that seemed like you were shaming any content of people handling large constrictors.
i can get puma cubs in Indiana for 1200$ lol and for the smuggling aspect of animals i say im all for it, better then the u,s government getting more of our money to just give away or spend on stuff we dont care about or need.
How to say u are a 'murican without actually saying it: -Ppl will pass laws cuz a documentary, no doubt. -Laws will be bad for us. I know usa is a 3rd world country with a bit more money but pls if your laws are all bad and made cuz random movies... than you guys should come back to Europe. :D
I hate how ownership is called a hobby... especially coming from people Standing in front of a wall of snakes kept in shoebox sized tupperware... It's kind of disturbing... And then they have the audacity to use words like "collections" these are living animals not a book of fucking stamps.
I use the word collection but I have big planted enclosures for all my snakes. They are my pets that I hang out with and I love them. I handle most of them but I also have a few hands off display animals.
Bringing up mental health is perfect. After spending 20 years in active addiction with no real hobbies or purpose I spent 5 months in inpatient rehab and came home and got into reptiles. Now my reptile room is a sanctuary for peace and tranquility with my buds. 2 1/2 years clean and not looking back.
Ugh. I hate that they're doing this... we should all try and do like clints reptiles and figure out how to get in touch with our communities and get our laws to make sense instead of make things worse for everyone including the animals.
Thanks for this video, as always
Clint's reptiles is absolutely amazing! We take our little ones a few times a year.
Ok for real: how often do congres / senate / anyone annect a law based on a movie in the US? :D It's either a BS or the whole country is a BS.
The thing I hate about the hobby is that most keepers are extreme pacifists. It wasn't until the Holy Thursday Massacre that people started to grow a spine and really speak out on issues.
And even then, it was only a handful of social media posts. Most of the people never did anything that would actually make an impact. They just used it as an opportunity to talk about something and make viral videos.
@JasonsExoticReptiles I think Kenan and Wicken had the best responses, they atleast looked a little pissed. Also (I think Daniel) from USARK Florida was a great guy, he really came in ready to hold everyone to account. I especially loved the IRL meetings, and Rodney Barreto getting so mad at people telling him he was shit at his job. Btw what are your thoughts on Reptile Royalty?
And don't watch Snake Discovery.
@@fredrickalbury4493 Why?
There is NOTHING WRONG with a fucking Animal Shelter 😂
I'm so glad to hear you mention reptiles and mental health. It really is "a thing".
It really is! I bring this up constantly while doing education, but reptiles, and especially snakes, are great for people suffering from mental health issues. They're very grounding and very soothing and very gentle. Personally, they've helped me tremendously with my anxiety and depression throughout my entire life.
The term mental health really took off these past few years. I see it as a way to abdicate responsibility for one's own emotions. People speak on their 'mental health' as if it's some foreign thing they contend with and placate. This is not natural or the situation. People contend with the huamn condition, that being their sense of attachment, emotions, and ultimately themselves, or the idea of self which bring about suffering.
Anyways, the main crux of theis piticular issue is as old as time itself. If you trade freedom for security you will have neither. It is not the goverments place to regulate wildlife. The constitution made it clear that their jurisdiction is only the district of Columbia
@@Saturn-Matrix As someone suffering from mental illness, it's not an excuse for behavior, it's a challenge to overcome. Anyone who does use it as an excuse is doing a discredit for people who struggle with it because a mental illness should not be someone else's problem. However it is a real thing and I hate people who use it as an excuse just as much as you. It's also a good thing if you don't understand mental illness, because it means you're not mentally ill.
absolutely
@@Saturn-Matrix what a wild comment that is horribly wrong in every run on sentence. Wow.
Great topic, my next vid is going to touch on this to a degree. I think the best thing we can do is to really push the educational programs and promote them when we do, this counters the bad press we will undoubtedly get. I have our city's museum contacting me every year to bring our reptiles for educational days and I always push for them to invite the mayor, city council, animal control...anyone that could impact laws so that we can educate them first hand before they are asked to ban our animals.
It’s very unfortunate! The crazy part is that the animal education stuff that you do is probably going to be on the list to Ban first. They consider that a traveling animal act and it has been on the docket multiple times. It has become very close to getting past many times.
hell yea one of the best out there for this hobby! keep it up man!
This is a very well spoken point. To me, their benefits with depression can not be overstated. I don't think this is the end of our hobby but I do think it will validate the ignorance of snakes specifically, and reptiles in general. It seems like every single time people find out I have constrictors, the first thing they ask is 'you ain scared they'll squeeze you to death?'... followed by 'aren't they poisonous?'... to 'don't they lay beside you to size you up to eat you?' In addition to the large companies you mentioned, I think keepers like Dwight Howard and other highly visible enthusiasts should use their platforms to help correct this stigma.
I agree with you in this.
I feel one big thing that was left out that should be regulated was breeding animals with known hereditary issues, like wobbles, missing eyes and blindness. I think it's extremely sad and should be completely avoided.
For other animals as well, for example pugs that can barely breathe and get sick from sinus issues. These "selected" inbred animals are extremely susceptible to illnesses and all sorts of diseases throughout their lives.
We can all blame Kevin McCurley for that one, he's the one that let Spider morphs into the pet trade. I'm not sure if the wobble was known before he started selling Spiders to other breeders.
@mrvwbug4423 can't argue that :)
Once a genetic issue presents itself, I feel we need to stop allowing those animals with the issue to continue breeding, regardless of how pretty or cool they look.
Completely agree in every way. When I bred carpets I stayed away from jags. I retired my remaining infernalis garters due to congenital heart failure in the line. Won't breed any of my related geckos to each other.
I've seen some really awful stuff firsthand especially with the person above mentioned.
@@steve_pooch ❤️
I always believe health should come before looks, but doesn't matter if it's snakes or dogs I feel like the minority.
Love the message! This docuseries has had me worried for a while now!
Lets band together folks
I think this subject in the US is really difficult. Tons of keepers and breeders are really in favor of complete deregulation, but legitimately, there should be regulation on importing to keep the animals safe. Not to mention that, but there's plenty of bad apples in our bunch (not saying who, but their name rhymes with Rob Flark), that make us all look horrible.
I don’t know how bad this documentary could present reptile keeping compared to Tiger King. Eric Goode has explained in an interview that he has nothing against people getting a ball python or bearded dragon as a pet as long as they’re well educated on their care, but he absolutely believes big cats and primates aren’t pets. That’s all I’ve been able to collect on his position on reptile keeping.
The challenge is that it’s not his position that matters. A sensationalized documentary brings incorrect information to the front and starts a snowball where other people start making the regulations
The best hedge against external regulations is good self regulation...That is true on the personal level, professional level, and for the reptile industry. I didn't realize they were originally filming a reptile documentary, but it makes sense why Tom was in the first scene of tiger king. I'm sure that guy pulled up with a cat, and they were like "that's actually the real story." I think the pros/cons you lay out are right. The reptile hobby has a love hate relationship with attention. We need it and want it, but we are terrified about giving up control of our own narratives. Two things to I try to remember: discretion is the better part of valor and don't be deserving of scrutiny. We are all closer to illegal things and bad actors than we'd like to think. You aren't really anything in the reptile hobby until someone has offered you something illegal. I for one am too pretty for jail.
Great video and message! It won’t be the end but it will definitely shine a negative light on reptile keeping in general. The average person already doesn’t like reptiles and this will just reinforce that. Like you said it also doesn’t help that reptile keepers in general are not united either. We all like the same thing, that part should be easy.
It would be nice if we could at least agree on something at times. Unfortunately, even the reptile keepers are going to disagree on this video.
HA! Right!
What can you really expect from the common normie. They see that someone doesn't own a disgusting mutt or invasive cat, and want to force them to conform to what they think is only real pet.
I love reptiles, and support the legal, regulated sale and trade. But do you think standing in front of rows and stacks of tubs is the best look?
Maybe it is not, but at least it’s a voice. Although it may seem unethical to some, the enclosures as clean and provide all the requirements for healthy animals.
Thing is that the rack system is what is normally used for breeders. There is absolutely no way they can house hundreds of their snakes in larger separate enclosures. As long as they are kept clean and healthy they should be fine. Now once they go to their forever homes then a much larger enclosure has to be considered.
@@phoenixflier25 @jasonsExotics I understand your statement, but if true then it's time we stop pretending this is in the animal's best interest or "providing everything the animal needs". The reality is that it's a matter of economics for breeders, not animal welfare. I would not argue that animals can survive in rack systems -- thriving, I'm not so sure. Puppy mills provide everything the dogs need to stay alive and healthy, yet we know exactly how the public feels about them.
@@phoenixflier25puppy mill logic.
@@JasonsExoticReptiles you don't need to justify anything to people who have no idea what they're talking about!!
I don’t know anything regarding laws outside of my state. But after seeing how light was cast on exotic animal owners from the first two movies, why the world would anyone take part in This film? People are selling their souls.
I 100% agree! I think the worst part is that we still make excuses of why we should respect these certain people who participated in this film, knowing what it would do.
@ I love a couple of them but need answers.
I’ve heard Goode started filming the reptile doc prior to TK but it was put on hold because TK was a better project. Not making excuses for the reptile guys but some of the interviews may have been filmed before all the TK craziness hit (5 years ago) and they probably couldn’t have imagined how many views it would get in the future. Goode is also apparently a reptile fan so there’s a chance maybe he won’t go total scorched earth - however without any drama you don’t get a compelling story.
@@Jason-pl7yyyou are correct about some, but others are only involved recently.
@ this is true. I hope that’s the case.
Jason, what type of BCC are you holding in this video?
Also, such an important topic to cover. We, as reptile enthusiasts, need to educate the ‘non-reptile lovers’ on why we love our hobby. Your call to action as spot on!
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Definitely a great and informative video and I have ball pythons so I’m definitely sharing this to my TH-cam channel thanks for sharing
Thanks, man! It is going to be really iffy to understand what this does to us in the future.
@ you’re welcome bro and that’s definitely a fact I also shared it on my TH-cam I @ you in the post
Buddy y’all keeping snakes in drawers is part of the problem, if we want people to see the reptile/exotic keeping community in a better light we also need to actually do better, and care for these animals correctly. Promoting keeping snakes in each systems is not going to make them see this community any better. We need to start normalizing taking care of these animals the best way possible instead of settling for the bare minimum care. I think we should only encourage the use of those systems if absolutely necessary, in reality it’s not much better than a shoe box. Yes it costs a lot to breed, not just money of course, time & space, etcetera, but if you’re willing to spend all of the money on raising those babies and breeding you need to be willing to spend some money on giving them the right husbandry and housing. We can at least do a little better than little drawers with no enrichment.
Great video. I wish everyone would get along and understand that not everyone keeps these animals in the way others think they should. Also, what camera do you use to record? The quality is incredible!
I’d have to ask Tom who films for me now but it’s something crazy. For some reason I want to say it’s a Sony FX9?
@ It’s beautiful quality and you’re such an inspiration to me!
Great and informative video. Thank YOU, Jason
I have a snake, I love reptiles, I am deeply invested in animal welfare and the environment (not animal rights, don't come at me for that one). Unfortunately, the reptile hobby does not always jive well with the environmental health or animal welfare. I think that there SHOULD be stricter regulations on reptile keepers. Reasonable regulations, like any other industry. No venomous snakes without licensure and training, no import, export, sale, or purchase of wild caught animals without license and permit, and maybe I do support a state by state white list. Sorry, we shouldn't wait for a species to become an environmental problem before taking action. And you know what, to have even more controversial takes, I would also support a limit on the number of animals any one person could possess legally. And don't even get me started on pet stores good lord. They have no business selling some of the stuff they do
I think big and venomous are definitely going to see more restrictions.
Good content and raising awareness. Maybe we can get ahead of this a little bit.
The issue is that legislators typically sign off on bills with blanket bans and have zero education behind it. There is a city near me that has a blanket ban on all pythons, because of the invasive species issue of reticulated pythons in Florida. IM IN MINNESOTA, they banned ball python!
Maybe something like we have in the UK where you have to hold a Dangerous Wild Animal License (DWA) where you have to show you're responsible and have srict escape proof rooms and enclosures etc. Lets be real. People like prehistoric pets have done giant snakes a disservice. Tiny cages, breeding tons of retic babies etc.
@@Hi_Im_Akward Yup that is what politicians do. Its the same for any hobby. I am in Canada and what the liberal government did to LEGAL firearms owned by licensed owners is disgusting. We had a couple leaders that were scared of everything and thought hollywood represents reality so everything had to get banned. They didn't even understand the current laws we had on the books and they are supposed to be lawmakers.... which is part of the problem... they just make more and more and more laws refusing to truly understand the laws that are already in place. They were calling semi auto rifles with 5-10 round magazines as "military grade" because they have a black exterior and adjustable stock to better fit people. No more dangerous than a wooden semi auto hunting rifle. They base everything on looks alone and also pay more attention to mass hysteria over the well educated groups of experts. The west in general seems to be in a race with itself to legislate our way into the basement where no one can do anything because it "could" be dangerous if someone that is bad decides that some day they may use something in an illegal manner to harm someone. I hate the concept of bringing EVERYONE down to the lowest common denominator just because a select few are incredibly stupid and irresponsible. That is the kind of stuff that happens in kindergarten classrooms and should not be how countries are run. People that enjoy their respective hobbies need to be more vocal and more forceful, that is a given. I no longer have any reptiles but I certainly hope the community fights back against any unjust sweeping laws/bans. I will throw my hat in the pile in whatever way I can if things get bad.
I don't remember watching any of it videos in the past, but I just wanted to say this video is absolutely amazing. I couldn't agree with u more. Also, I feel like u mentioned a few things I didn't even think about (like the reptile "birthday party" people. I hope more ppl that aren't as familiar with ur channel see this video. Thx for helping my hobby and yours ♥️
I worked for Mickey Meyer of show me reptiles for years and modded all his groups, ran the business pages since like 2017 until 2 years ago. I knew this man on a personal level, I delt with his vendors, etc. yeah theres a lot that needs addressed in this hobby starting with certain people who let things slide in our community or even help fund certain things that hurt our hobby. We also need to stop letting certain people slide on predatory behavior just because of who they are in our hobby. Some of those educational shows aren't all that great when it boils down to it but there are some great folks out there who actually try to educate others and thats what I saw lacking from the inside with show me and other businesses in the hobby.
That's a gorgeous boa! I hope I can get my own some day ;)
Thank you!
A former coworker I know worked hard to obtain a venomous handler's license in my state, I don't think this is a bad idea for those who want to own venomous reptiles, with the exceptions of the rear-fanged, medically insignificant species, like hognoses (so cute!)
This will hurt all kinds of businesses in the reptile trade including any type of pet store
I heard the documentary will largely focus on Crutchfield. Nice job on the thumbnail too!
I think that would make a lot more sense. I like the guy but he does have some "tiger king" esque stuff in his past.
Tom will readily admit he did some shady stuff decades ago, but he also basically wrote the book on modern reptile husbandry. I suspect it will be a total character assassination of Crutchfield knowing Goode's style. Remember because of Goode people still view Carole Baskin as some sort of villain even though it was Joe Exotic who actually murdered someone.
@ Yeah I imagine it will be somewhat of a character assenting but hopefully he shines some light on some of the good sides of the hobby. I thought Goode was a bit of a reptile enthusiast. The keeping of tigers is on another level compared to most reptiles. I definitely see him going after people like the Taipan guy and smugglers.
It is. The problem is that Tom has done a ton of shady stuff. People glorify him now because he comes across and an old grandpa, but they forget all the shady stuff he did. He may regret it now, but he had no problem making millions exploiting animals from the wild for money.
@ Knowing how Goode has portrayed the tiger and chimp people, you would think Crutchfield is not the smartest guy to agree to a documentary. But maybe he didn’t agree or maybe there is money involved.
No animal should be stored like a toy, like I store my Warhammer figures. Even as someone who adores reptiles but has never owned, I don't understand how the community think that little totes where they never light receive light (natural or supplied by various bulbs). Not to mention how common folks breed reptiles, I don't know why there is a different standard on how people view cats/dogs compared to reptiles - they deserve just as good of lives.
I totally agree! You see that on a lot of channels where big snakes are kept in boxes where they can barely move. Done just so they can make money breeding them. What happens to all these baby snakes if no one buys them?
Look behind him in the video. 😅
This is one of the biggest things that need to go in the reptile world. It looks bad outwardly, and it doesn't benefit the animals (beyond hatchlings/newborns that you need to keep a close watch on their feeding/shedding/pooping, then I understand racks, as a nursery).
We also need to stop using words like "collection". No one says "here's my COLLECTION of guinea pigs and rabbits". It sounds so sterile and cold, like you're collecting Pokémon cards or action figures, rather than keeping animals.
@@itsallgood4093 Agreed. Even if snakes don’t have limbs like we do, being forced to live in a place you can’t fully stretch out in without wrapping around the wall can’t be comfortable. (Not speaking against hides, of course, but like the size of the inclosure over all.)
Honestly, I think we all know deep down what happens to the reptiles that aren’t sold smh smh. I truly hope that someday reptiles and small mammals aren’t so mistreated, they all deserve to live their best little lives.
@@Aethuviel Oh yeah, and for some reptiles that have disabilities they have to have a smaller enclosure and it makes sense to start off small to make sure that everything with them is alright.
And I know lol, seeing what was behind the poster is one of the reasons I was prompted to comment. Like, it gives such a poor impression that it’s kinda humorous - of course people are going to be skeptical of y’all when you keep your pets in Tupperware totes. That doesn’t take a genius to figure out.
@Aethuviel Absolutely!
I would hope our government has more important things to do before pushing a ban on reptiles
Great job on this video Jason! IF reptiles are added to the Animal Welfare Act as proposed my concern is that the caging requirments will be ridiculous! And the days of using racks may be at an end which will hurt a lot of the bigger breeders especially in ball pythons who rely on them. This new show would not be of help to any of us either! Keep the great videos coming and thank you!
I think the benefits outweigh the negatives. There are too many breeders who keep adult ball pythons in racks the size of shoeboxes with no hides, substrate, heat, teeny caps of water, etc. If ball python breeders need to downsize their collections a little, so be it- the market is oversaturated anyways, it'd likely help their businesses. It also protects reptiles from geniune and deliberate cruelty, which they SHOULD BE.
@@amber-dk5udI couldn't agree more!
It would be best to have self-policing, but sadly after decades, this community has been very bad at that.
@@amber-dk5ud We will just have to agree to disagree on the use of racks. BUT my question to you is if the market is over saturated and breeders have to down size. What happens to those snakes?
@@upstartart I don't think racks are bad, but there is a right and a wrong way to do it. If you believe that a snake should live in a box so small it cannot move, with barely enough water to drink, no heat, no hide, and absolutely nothing to do- you are exactly the problem and why we need to protect these animals. A rack should have all the same fundamentals as a regular enclosure. What makes you think breeding animals deserve to be treated cruelly and pets don't?
Unfortunately, we are already seeing ball pythons euthanized in mass because people who have no business breeding are popping out 30 clutches a year. Downsizing and reducing how much breeders are breeding would save lives.
Eric Goode is the founder of the Turtle Conservancy and a keeper himself. He's got a tortoise species named after him, Gopherus evgoodei. He's told me personally that the show is focused on the origins and evolution of he reptile hobby. It's not a hit job.
I hope so, but that doesn’t mean the show doesn’t start the snowball and give it a push to start rolling down the hill. Once it’s moving, it’s sure to pickup a few things along the way. I don’t think it will take us out, but my best guess is that it will do something and likely more bad than good.
He's going to have to sensationalize it or nobody will watch it. I don't trust him after seeing what he's done with his other shows.
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Like you ive been in this hobby since a kid and im a grandpa now. Pictures in the mail and a small community went to kingsnake then Myspace then vlogs and TH-cam. Sensationalism it has become for some and that has hurt worse than anything. Forgetting we are selling living creatures not coffe mugs. I understand, working at the quick e mart sucks right? However those with dollar signs in their eyes and clicks on their brains cause harm. Thats why i stepped out years ago and disappeared. Personal survival issues and the fact that our hobby was slowly loosing its hobby status. I commend the hell out of those that have held strong and done well not to mention true reptile breeders keepers are among the most patient waiting sometimes ten years or more for some projects. However the news and people's opinions are often based on what is wrong and not what is right. So they show the public all the irresponsibility that is occuring and side step the good. Responsible selling and buying most important. Piss you guys off or not you should check out the people you sell to for all want the doggy in the window and not all responsible enough to play the tape all the way through and why important as breeders and sellers of our beloved animals to make sure they can be responsibly cared for by the buyer. Oh i know it would limit sells however once again what is your motives? To care for your animals and find others to do the same or pay your electricity bill? As far as venomous it should be restricted to venom labs period. Yes its your life you hard headed boys and yes its yours to take in your own hands, however its a different story when that ass is dead and your family left without you just because you want to showboat with animals that can kill you. Lifes a choice isnt it? Imports should be banned except for animals needing to be propagated for further survival. Using genetic diversity as an excuse like has always been done is a crap excuse. Reptiles dont get weak from line breeding, they get week because in the wild not all babies survive and yet in captivity most do and not supposed to and pass on weak genes. If imports stopped it may not help pocket books of some but it would sure benefit the animals because then only captive bred would be available and long lists of waiting for certain species however it would separate those that do this for love from those with dollar signs in their eyes. So many of you wanted this to become a Big Thing and now it is and now big problems. You better find solutions or Big Brother will and back to the quick e mart boys! Do a heart check if you got one and if the shoe fits wear it, if not move along and best of luck. 🌹
To be honest, i think some regulations should change. Particularly in concern to pet stores more than private keepers. I hear so many stories about people rescuing snakes from general pet stores because they were clearly sick and under weight. I think a pet store should be required to care for them properly and keep them properly fed and vet checked to make sure theyre healthy. We shouldn't have to buy snakes from pet stores to rescue them. But i dont think the regilations should apply to people who privately keep snakes as pets as long as they are caring for the snake properly. I do believe you should be able to report animals abuse just as you would do with cats or dogs and should be on site vet checked to ensure that owners are getting falsely accused of mistreating a snake or any animal for that matter. But i dont think pet trade regilations should apply to the average keeper, only pet stores and registered beeeders. And there should be a penalty for breeding unlicensed, with the assumption that one isnt breeding for their private collection. I think the threshold for being a "large scale breeder" should be at around 15 breeding size snakes, less than that can be a private collection but any more and you have to register as a breeder with the intent to make a profit in the private pet trade, including being required to file taxes as a private business. Granted, i know nothing about running a business or thenpet trade in terms of breeding, and it could probably benefit from act breeders input as per limits or thresholds from private collector to official breeder. But i definitely think all breeding for purpose of supplying the private pet trade should be regilated, at least in terms of care and ensuring safe and healthy living conditions. I know most private breeders are going to do this anyways because they arent doing it just for the profit, they do it because they love reptiles and truly care for them regardless of federal regulations. But for the few out there who are essentially running the snake version of a puppy mill with poor conditions and malnourished animals, there should be strict and heavy penalties. As long as they are REASONABLE, i think regulations could use some reworking and enforcing because i dont think REASONABLE regulations are going to negatively effect legit breeders who have a true passion for reptile. I also think regulations should apply to the entire pet trade, not just reptiles.
What's up Jason, Great video bud!
Thank man!
I'm a member of Responsible Reptile Keeping!
This sucks, I really hope it isn’t going to be a huge problem for us. Things are already pretty strict here in NYS we don’t need anymore bs legislation and over-policing of what we keep. We have more than enough.
What locality of boa are you holding? One of mine looks just like that, and I have never know fully what he is. The pixel-y sides throw me off.
I don't know how worried I am, really. There's a lot more people keeping reptiles all over the world, than there are keeping something like a tiger, which is a completely unreasonable animal. Even big reptiles like alligators and retics, are more reasonable than a tiger. I do think they're going to mention smuggling, and they'll likely focus on things like venomous for sure. The idiots causing trouble that we're all familiar with by now. But even then, there are lots of hobbyists and professional keepers who keep venomous and large reptiles, safely and ethically. I don't know anyone who keeps a tiger as a pet ethically. Even registered sanctuaries struggle to meet their base demands. The impact remains to be seen, but I doubt it'll change much, compared to what tiger king did. Most people, even ones who might not like snakes, will probably agree a boa is no tiger.
This is a Peruvian BCC. I would say it is unlikely this is what you have since these are $3000 to $4000 and very rare. You would have known if you had one of these because you would’ve paid for it.
The challenge isn’t necessarily about Tigers versus reptiles. It’s that these laws sneak in to specific bills and nobody really cares because nobody cares about Reptiles. There’s no thought about it and we don’t have anybody looking out for us, including the reptile keepers themselves!
Its messed up ive spent my whole life keeping native reptiles and venomous all to wanna do it right so i went got the mentor and the hours and not even one year after have my license and animals they are being ban as of Jan 20th im grandfathered in but ruins the point of it all im devastated what should we do move to state with no laws to fufill our dream or let them have it their way from Louisiana btw
Thank you Jason 😊
The more attention is going to put alot of eyes on the reptile industry. Overall probably won't be a good look
Thanks this video and important information
I can’t find anything on the internet about Eric Goode making this documentary. I guess he had it planned before tiger king and it never happened but can’t find anything indicating he’s going to make it at all or what it will be about. Does anybody have more info?
I believe he was on joe Rogan and mentioned he’s starting it up again.
Im fine with regulation when it comes to animal welfare, human safety, conservation (smuggling endangered animals or invasive species managment). HOWEVER, usually when these regulations come down the govorning body that makes these decisions do not approach it with any nuance and the ones complaining are usually the louder voice. Its extremely important to be involved with local politics about this. Show up and plead your case, if your an expert you have a responsibility to show up. Clints Reptiles had an excellent recent video on how they changed local regulation and it gives a pretty good inside look at how slanted it can be. Animal rights activists usually have it wrong, they don't have the whole picture, they show a slanted view of things and are almost always backed by extremist orgs like peta.
Real. Wish that lawmakers would actually consult the people they make laws about
I would like to add i think most people and their animals would benifit from taking the less with more enrichment view. I have been keeping for 20 years and it wasn't until recent years that i really took this to heart and that's greatly due to Tom crutchfield. Good keepers grow with the science and when things are found to not be beneficial to your animals you should make a change. Ball pythons are crazy over bred as well as things like bearded dragons, boas, sulcata, retics and burms, etc and the rescues are filled to the brim. Most of the big breeders have stepped back as well, the hobby is way over saturated and animals are being harmed bc of it.
I think it’s pretty hypocritical of Tom to all of a sudden have this epiphany after doing all of this incredibly unethical stuff for almost 50 years after he has profited millions on behalf of treating animals cruelly
🤣thumbnail took me out! Lol
The only way to ensure that dangerous animals that are not indigenous to the US do not get loose, is to never have them here in any capacity to begin with. Look at the issue in FL now with pythons and iguanas. It is not good for people who live around when an accident occurs and they get out.
Your Boa is a stunner! Gorgeous!!!!!
I never watched Tiger King
Good. It's a shitshow of human trainwrecks and their hate of each other, organized crime and drama, and then the last episode (in both seasons) finish with an animal liberation argument about how these backyard zoos run by criminals are bad, and therefore, zoos and exotic animal keeping shouldn't exist. 🙄
While also ignoring the horrible places called "sanctuaries" and giving them a free pass.
Im sure this will impact us as keepers! Its paramount we all make sure our keeping is above reproach!! We need self governing for irresponsible breeding and keeping!!!
I can't believe they're doing this why are they doing this
Oh man!! Great topic
I realize that's the rumor, but I have no affiliation with Eric Goode or the production in question.
Great video !
Thank you!
you want my reptiles? come takem.
Everybody better start donating the US Ark
Whilst I agree with you on most things.. such as not being an arse with online videos, being like Jeff etc... perhaps things like minimum cage sizes and more standards will raise the standard for all reptiles in captivity with improved environments. Maybe they could consider exempting breeders from certain aspects but for those that have pets I don't think minimum cage sizes is a bad thing and it might stop people 'collecting' snakes just to say they have got a large number of them.
Sorry but, we aren’t weird. Anyone who doesn’t love snakes ✨🐍✨ is weird 😊
I agree haha.
What does the community do, not against new laws etc, but agains the irresponsible keepers/smugglers/invasiv species?
'It would be good to but an end to SOME(?!!) of this stuff"... Who? The not keepers? Or should the keepers say: We the keepers should fight ALL of it?
One thing I've not seen mentioned in any of the videos I've seen about this so far. Is I bet they go after breeders keeping snakes in racks. We all understand most people don't. I bet they'll try to equate it with something like puppy mills. They spend an awful lot of time in tiger King focusing on breeding,caging and tiger cub pictures. I bet the word inbreeding gets thrown around a lot if they start talking about genetics. They'll also probably say it's the commoditization of animals. I love these animals and this hobby. I'm just trying to think of all the angles of attack. The thing that might help in the eyes of the public. Is everyone's known someone with a pet snake or lizard or turtle. The majority of people would not consider that a problem. Maybe that person is a little weird but you know. Even kids in movies have had all these pets. Not so much with big cats.
I would agree with this.
But what about all of the Dogs & Cats breeders and the other people/owns who abuse them?
Also you are more likely to get killed/attacked by a dog than any reptile!! Birds & animals can carry diseases, should we ban them too?
That doesn't sell drama. People are okay with banning "weird" pets, but don't touch their "normal" pets!
I don’t disagree, but if somebody tries to put a ban on dog and cat owners, you’re going to have 2 million people show up to oppose it. Somebody tries to do a ban on Reptiles and you might have one or two people show up to oppose it.
I will say I hope it’s not the end of the reptile hobby, I’d move to another country if the government wants to take my friends from me.
That’s a beautiful boa you have, I have a Colombian red tail boa.🐍🐍🐍
Yeah I'm not looking forward to this
I don’t think any of us are, but I guarantee that every one of us are going to watch it
My guy did you just say “cock-a-roaches” unironically?
Lmao. I don’t think so, but if it works then yes lol.
We own big cats. Once Tigerking came out it helped pass the big cat safety act which isn't worth the paper it's written on . Good luck even finding a Tiger cub anymore. Buckle up reptile people when this show comes out . Nothing will be safe
Well said!
Well said 🇦🇺
Awesome thumbnail 😂😅
It’s awesome right haha!
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i think their already on thin ice if they think their going to come in and try making a bunch of rules.
Say it louder for the people in the back 🍜🤘🏾
I have a clumbia rainboa and recently brought common baby boa she lovely please don’t band boas I be really peed off as if you take great care of them and show them respect they absolutely great docile snakes. I from uk hope don’t effect us to
I don't agree with this hobby and I'm not going to be watching it. I know theyre going to try and demonize Tom and Tyler and I happen to enjoy both of them. We have to keep doing the best we can to promote responsible keeping.
My biggest problem is that both of them did this knowing exactly what it would do to our hobby. Yet everybody still makes excuses for them on why they are so great. They did this to get a paycheck and they don’t really care if it takes everybody down with them.
@@JasonsExoticReptiles Yea people say that they are fully in on keeping all reptiles as safe and healthy as possible yet go and do things that negatively impact the public’s view on what they are which isn’t going to help us at all. We need people whose opinions can’t be bought and stand with their morals through without doing dumb stuff for views and money. People want their cake and want to eat it too which is obviously a big problem with the community right now when we have popular people doing dumb shit for making money!
This is not going to be pleasant.
We in the hobby, are just starting to recover from Discovery's hit piece series "fatal attractions", as well as the books "The Lizard King" and "Stolen World"
Now, add this documentary, the dumbass with the cobra, and Jeff "face like a jar of mayonnaise left in the sun" Libeowitz aka the Taipan guy, as well as Jay "trying to promote hobby but adding to its destruction, but it's okay because I'm living the dream" Brewer.
Its not going to be good for us.
Tiger King was robbed all the footage he filmed his self and he didn't make anything
Defending TK isn't the flex you think it is.
good thing idc about others opinions nor do a let laws or anyone else dictate my decisions or actions.
Why do exotics owners always have to throw crap at "those other people with those animals"? 😑 I was with you until the elephants. Elephant owners in the US today are ethical. They got their animals decades ago, some as orphaned calves from ivory poaching, and raised them as family members. An elephant isn't just "an animal", it's another person in the family. And you can't use elephants for things such as rides without the elephant being with you on it. They're trained with love and positive reinforcement. Please don't buy the AR crap, they're the same people fighting every day to ban reptiles and put mandatory spay/neuter laws on cats and dogs, because they want ALL tame animals GONE from the world.
I agree with that. What I said is that 99% of those people are great and ethical. It’s the 1% that gets the attention of all.
I think you guys are giving up too early . Keep pushing for YOUR Rights
all this is as ez as everyone stepping up to the big brother and literally say one word.......NOOOOO! its that simple, for anything at all.
I agree 100%! With this video. The click bait videos need to stop. Live feedings, venomous free handing, results from bites, etc.
I keep large monitors and have for over 3 decades and know 1st hand how negative press can and does change laws against us. As well the caging and reptile supply manufacturers need to step up and make their voices heard as well. Keep supporting USARK!
Think more laws New York State especially after 2021 laws change especially crocodilians ownership myself own 2004 to 2021 need now insurance own keep reptiles myself own them no problems that’s own alligators and caimans even baby Nile crocodile time yes did education activities part renewal license every year
Oh no you took what Dillon and AAHN said as "new". What people need to be doing is going to find a copy of The Lizard King book - which is the content you all are focused on. Reptile keeping does not come from a good place and it's important people understand the problems. As a bonus fact, The Tiger King was originally The Lizard King book and started at Crutchfield's before they found out about the wild cats and Joe Exotic. The man that murdered the federal agent that was interviewed in The Tiger King is there BECAUSE he was in The Lizard King.
You might be angry at me but you listened to the wrong podcast. ☠
I said this in the video. Not all the details but that much of this was filmed before Tiger King and switched to tiger king. But it was never completed and filming started again recently.
@@JasonsExoticReptiles I saw. I appreciate your coverage of it. I just meant to illustrate that we should all be sending people to The Lizard King book and not AAHN. There is so much better and actually correct content out there.
@ I hear you! 95% of people are not going to make it 100% through my 8.5minute video. I’d bet .0001% will actually search for that book never mind read it!
@@JasonsExoticReptiles Yeah sorry if that came off weird. When I look back at how I wrote it I think it sounds like I'm saying you specifically don't know -- but you know. I meant people that watched that video got duped.
I watch your videos. You're one of the few I watch now.
On the lengthier topics, if you look at current proposed legislation, it will orbit around disease and use examples like chytrid. You showed people how to keep facilities clean and disease free - AAHN will bring on guests that will say vitamin D prevents the common cold and UV disinfects cages -- their information is wrong and dangerous which will lead to laws passing because it makes us look stupid in animal welfare topics. Your video on disinfecting tubs is close to veterinary and kennel standards - that will help the hobby as a whole.
But getting people to sit down and follow that is a huge challenge.
It’s 100% cool with me man. I don’t let much bother me haha.
What do you have against big constrictors? I've met burms that are nicer than some dogs, I know mine is. Large constrictors may not be for you but don't group us in with mishandlers and people who freehand venomous.
Not sure if this comment is for me or general comment but I have a bunch of burms. I have nothing against them. They are just an easy target and have been close to getting banned many times. This could be the push.
@JasonsExoticReptiles I think I have seen you with some bigger snakes before. Just a few comments that seemed like you were shaming any content of people handling large constrictors.
No I think it just came out wrong or how it was edited. I caught that myself as I was watching back.
@@JasonsExoticReptiles understandable
i can get puma cubs in Indiana for 1200$ lol and for the smuggling aspect of animals i say im all for it, better then the u,s government getting more of our money to just give away or spend on stuff we dont care about or need.
Hopefully he releases THE FISH KING Starring PAUL CUFFARO and Friends
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-Ppl will pass laws cuz a documentary, no doubt.
-Laws will be bad for us.
I know usa is a 3rd world country with a bit more money but pls if your laws are all bad and made cuz random movies... than you guys should come back to Europe. :D
Haha. Well technically most of these things were trying to fight are already passed in Europe. Europe is way stricter than the US.
Second amendment people.
I hate how ownership is called a hobby... especially coming from people Standing in front of a wall of snakes kept in shoebox sized tupperware... It's kind of disturbing... And then they have the audacity to use words like "collections" these are living animals not a book of fucking stamps.
I use the word collection but I have big planted enclosures for all my snakes. They are my pets that I hang out with and I love them. I handle most of them but I also have a few hands off display animals.
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