A guess on why they included the blast shields: That space is likely to be unmanned most of the time and particularly when the guns are being used so it's reasonable to make its default condition the one that won't be damaged by over pressure.
Enjoyed watching your episode on the helicopter flight deck. I had the good fortune to get to deploy on the USS Iowa off the coast of El Salvador in the early 80s. I was a young army aviator and we flew our two Hueys off the Iowa for 2 or 3 weeks. Flew President Duarte and the Salvadoran Supreme Court members out to the ship for a fire power demo which I had the pleasure of filming with the ships photographers mate. Great memories.
Are there any cool plated over decks that were open in WW2? What about old hoist runs like for 40mm ammunition? I remember you pointing out old mounting points for 20mm cannon which was really cool to see. I remember finding a few of them when I had the run of the _Missouri_ for a couple of days in Bremerton back in the 90s. Having spent so much time killing my legs and brain on _Missouri_ for a couple of days and getting to see _Wisconsin_ on her way home from Desert Storm with the _Saratoga_ battle group are two of the major highlights of my naval career. We are fortunate to have you folks sharing _New Jersey_ with those of us who will never have the chance to see her and we thank you so much for that.
Great look at the space. Yeah, it amazing to see how big the 16-inch gun turrets are compared to the helicopters that would normally operate with a Battleship.
That name came from the country of origin for that idea - Canada. USN name for its similar system is 'RAST system (Recovery Assist, Secure and Traverse)". Testing with Canada started in the 1950s. I wonder what was the first US ship with a RAST? I have a wild Guess of USS Boone- FFG-28 - first long hull OHP FFG-7 class- firs with mods to operate the SH-60.
i think the fact there was never a post about halsey's walk-in humidore is a tragedy. admirals and captain's kept their cigars there for years and it deserves telling.
@@craigbigbee6395 Um, no. It's from a poem by Rudyard Kipling published in the book _Departmental Ditties_ in 1886, about twenty years before Milton Berle was born. The actual quote is from line 50-52: "And a woman is only a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke. Light me another Cuba-I hold to my first-sworn vows. If Maggie will have no rival, I'll have no Maggie for Spouse!"
@@FIREBRAND38 My Dearest Firebrand. “A woman is only a woman” Undoubtedly is Kipling. “A lady’s a Lady” Could very well be from Berle. What is certain is that of Mr. Berles’ Preference towards the Form of a cigar past his lips than the form of the female of the species.
@@thedangersofboredom Well. quotation marks matter and while I was able to provide the author, book title and line number for my assertion, I eagerly await the reference of where and when Mr Berle was caught actually saying or writing that. It's more likely that "A lady is a lady" line is a misquotation of Kipling,
It'd be cool to just hang out in a room like this and watch everyone working during a storm or something. I'd chill on my laptop there and watch the chaos as long as I don't have to actually do anything
The SH-2 SeaSprite isn't a big bird. A Spruance or Ticonderoga class ship can ... with care ... shoehorn two of them into the single helo hanger. Larger helos like the SH-3 SeaKing and SH-60 SeaHawk only one per customer though with the SeaKing you have to be careful to fold it up just so and use a dollop of K-Y or Vaseline to properly insert it into the hanger. 😉
Did a SAG Deployment with her in the 80s, a Big boy, and when guns are fired its a sight to see and hear. Walked those wooden decks many times moored outboard of her.
Thanks for the HCO station presentation. I was a CG helo pilot and qualified HCO and LSO. Unless the New Jersey had a very unusual waiver, along with the HCO there would have also been an LSO down on the flight deck during helo ops.
Rail? Nope. Cable! Rapid Action Secure and Traverse (RAST) also known as 'Bear Trap' is what is used to help helicopters land on small boys. The Pilot assigned to the ship would be TAD (temporary assigned duty) from a squadron in the battle group.
I am always amazed by the size and complexity of the battleship. It had to be a nightmare to have to create every days roster of what to do and how it was scheduled and who did what part of the planning. I have always suspected the main schedule was preplanned, and any contingency was dealt with as it arose, but the entire trip could take months, and each phase must have been coordinated with every other part of the crew and their needs and duties throughout the voyage. Have you had any plans on showing what that took to do in a video yet?
I think BB62 would make an excellent movie set. I can think of a few plots that may make for a good short film. It could be a possible source of revenue for the museum.
I used to man Pro-Fly on the USS Capodanno during flight quarters with the SUPPO. It was about the size of two phone booths. We had a system to talk to the flight deck crew, a system to talk to CIC and a phone to talk to the bridge. We had an anemometer and the wave off lights.
I think a good follow up to this video is to tour the former spaces where the original spaces used to support the Kingfisher float planes. That includes the aviation fuel stores, spare parts, pilots quarters, etc. As for the personal running the Helicopter Control Booth being former pilots, well from my ignorance point of view but making a good assumption, these would be aviators who would be cycled into this position for 6 to 12 months at a time or aviators who for medical reasons were no longer flight certified. The later would be my best guess considering your knowledge base is still solid and you're performing a vital function allowing cleared pilots to do their jobs.
Maybe it was just your camera angle, but it doesn’t look like you would have a great view of the landing pad area sitting in that red chair during landing and takeoff operations.
I got two questions. One for the Ryan/iowa class vets: Did they rotate the aft turret over the side to give the helos a little more space? Second question is for the modernish U.S. Navy guys: how important is a hanger for embarked Helos. Ryan mentioned how that was one of the reasons the Iowas didn’t have a permanent helo complement, but if I remember correctly, the Flight I Arleigh Burkes coming onto the scene around this time also were designed without a hanger but being they were also ASW ships I doubt they didn’t leave port without an MH60 on board. What was the big difference between a Flt 1 Burke with no hanger and an Iowa?
As for who was manning the control tower, that would have been one of the ships officers and didn't need to be a pilot. They would have had the proper training to man that station. The Air Det couldn't afford to have one of their pilots man that space as there could be a crew swap of the helo, and you only have 4 pilots. On a side note, that control station would have had a terrible view of the flight deck with #3 turret being in the way. On another note, the officer manning the control tower would be trained in the handling of other types of helos and operations that the Air Det pilots may not be trained in.
Actually it was very often one of the helicopter pilots. We didn’t log HCO time but I’ve probably spent a couple of hundred hours as Helicopter Control Officer on Spruance class destroyers, Knox class frigates, and Chauvenet class hydrographic survey vessels. Otherwise on small boys-destroyers and frigates-the ship’s company HCOs were usually the Disbursing Officer, the junior Supply Corps officer onboard, because he wasn’t a watchstander and would therefore always be available to man the tower. The ’83 Det on New Jersey boarded for RIMPAC, an annual joint exercise with Asian, Australian, and New Zealand Navies. Then the New Jersey got orders to support the invasion of Grenada, then to provide gunfire support for operations in Lebanon. After loading up for a cruise of a few weeks, the SH-2F Seasprite LAMPS (Light Airborne Multi-Purpose System) detachment ended up being aboard for almost a year.
I’d guess blast shield v opening the windows depends on WHY you’re firing the guns. In shore bombardment where there’s less of a chance of receiving counter fire you can just open the window. Against Kirov where presumably its launching SSM and firing 6 inch rounds back the blast shield provides somewhat more protection.
Why are there so many ladders on the faces of the turrents when two or three would suffice? Also, what is the protocol for dusting/cleaning the various spaces?
this makes me wonder about what could have been with the French Richelieus, their layout seems to make them uniquely suited for aircraft operations (the rear turrets are arranged the way they are because of the seaplane hangar), or other things, assuming some further modifications
A couple of questions I have about big ships like this: how concerned are you about decay and INSIDE the barrels of the 16" guns? Any bird or animal nests that you've had to deal with?
I'm rather curious, being a former helicopter guy in the US Army, how they electrically ground aircraft once they're down. I did get to see the USS MIssouri in Hawaii, and I couldn't find any grounding stations on the helipad back there, but I thought maybe there was something I was missing. It's important to do that for a whole host of reasons, and one of them is for ground crew safety; in case there's any static build-up, you want to draw that off before you begin refueling, or putting armament on the aircraft. On that point, I wonder how a ship stays electrically grounded?
The fact that it dosent have a beartrap blows my mind, even stationary ships are incredibly difficult to land a helo on. Probably why operations were limited.
Was going to mention seeing the SS United States funnels in the background. I think she's scheduled to move in about a week. It really ticks me off that with all of the Billions of dollars spent in this country over the past four years on useless things. That some of it couldn't have been spent to save the nation's flagship. Just one billionaire could write a check for an amount they wouldn't even miss.
Since there is not a hangar to keep a helicopter safe, how did they protect it from the overpressure of firing the guns? I guess they might have simply not used the rear turret or made the helicopter take off, but that seems inefficient.
I would like to see a detaled vidio on radar espesheliey the power supply moduldator and transmiter recever equipment locateteed away from the radar scopes in cic thanks
I have to doff my cap Ryan: not only is the comments full of ex navy but also worthless civvys like me. Shows the wide spectrum of interest you garner. USA!!
What would be the WORST place on an iowa to take damage from an equivalent 16" cannon. like what single penetrating hit would just cause the most problems.
In any of the main magazines. The ship blows itself apart then. So either going through the main belt, deck, or bulkhead and getting into a main magazine is the absolute worst hit any battleship can take.
This is an interesting video. There's a little insight presented on why the ship had no helo assigned in 80's. I think there is also a brief shot of the glass installed on the 08 nav bridge. th-cam.com/video/oU2bROPTMgw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hGaeX9u4p26TRu0b
7:30 In the background between Ryan and the bridge, aren't those the funnels of the SS United States ? What a crying shame that the the United States can't be saved by.....the United States. It's unbelievable actually.
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A guess on why they included the blast shields: That space is likely to be unmanned most of the time and particularly when the guns are being used so it's reasonable to make its default condition the one that won't be damaged by over pressure.
Enjoyed watching your episode on the helicopter flight deck.
I had the good fortune to get to deploy on the USS Iowa off the coast of El Salvador in the early 80s. I was a young army aviator and we flew our two Hueys off the Iowa for 2 or 3 weeks. Flew President Duarte and the Salvadoran Supreme Court members out to the ship for a fire power demo which I had the pleasure of filming with the ships photographers mate.
Great memories.
Are there any cool plated over decks that were open in WW2? What about old hoist runs like for 40mm ammunition? I remember you pointing out old mounting points for 20mm cannon which was really cool to see. I remember finding a few of them when I had the run of the _Missouri_ for a couple of days in Bremerton back in the 90s.
Having spent so much time killing my legs and brain on _Missouri_ for a couple of days and getting to see _Wisconsin_ on her way home from Desert Storm with the _Saratoga_ battle group are two of the major highlights of my naval career.
We are fortunate to have you folks sharing _New Jersey_ with those of us who will never have the chance to see her and we thank you so much for that.
Great look at the space. Yeah, it amazing to see how big the 16-inch gun turrets are compared to the helicopters that would normally operate with a Battleship.
SGSI, Stabilized Glide Slope Indicator. always cool to see a piece of gear i used to work on. they had a short tech school for those at NAS Coronado.
The "rail" winch system for helos you were talking about on modern ships is often called a "beartrap".
That name came from the country of origin for that idea - Canada. USN name for its similar system is 'RAST system (Recovery Assist, Secure and Traverse)". Testing with Canada started in the 1950s. I wonder what was the first US ship with a RAST? I have a wild Guess of USS Boone- FFG-28 - first long hull OHP FFG-7 class- firs with mods to operate the SH-60.
I believe the system was the RAST (Recovery Assist and Traverse).
The Canadians have a cooler name though....
@@wallyschmidt4063 Agreed!
Military jargon: Helicopter Hauldown and Rapid Securing Device (HHRSD). Sailors preferred “Beartrap.”
Yassssss the video I’ve been requesting for the past 2 years! Thank you so much!
i think the fact there was never a post about halsey's walk-in humidore is a tragedy. admirals and captain's kept their cigars there for years and it deserves telling.
The important stuff!
“A lady’s a lady, but a cigar is a smoke!”
-Milton Berle
@@craigbigbee6395 Um, no. It's from a poem by Rudyard Kipling published in the book _Departmental Ditties_ in 1886, about twenty years before Milton Berle was born. The actual quote is from line 50-52:
"And a woman is only a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke.
Light me another Cuba-I hold to my first-sworn vows.
If Maggie will have no rival, I'll have no Maggie for Spouse!"
@@FIREBRAND38 My Dearest Firebrand. “A woman is only a woman” Undoubtedly is Kipling. “A lady’s a Lady” Could very well be from Berle. What is certain is that of Mr. Berles’ Preference towards the Form of a cigar past his lips than the form of the female of the species.
@@thedangersofboredom Well. quotation marks matter and while I was able to provide the author, book title and line number for my assertion, I eagerly await the reference of where and when Mr Berle was caught actually saying or writing that. It's more likely that "A lady is a lady" line is a misquotation of Kipling,
It'd be cool to just hang out in a room like this and watch everyone working during a storm or something. I'd chill on my laptop there and watch the chaos as long as I don't have to actually do anything
the pics of the helo on deck...REALLY put into perspective just how freaking huge the Iowa Class ships are
The SH-2 SeaSprite isn't a big bird. A Spruance or Ticonderoga class ship can ... with care ... shoehorn two of them into the single helo hanger. Larger helos like the SH-3 SeaKing and SH-60 SeaHawk only one per customer though with the SeaKing you have to be careful to fold it up just so and use a dollop of K-Y or Vaseline to properly insert it into the hanger. 😉
Using a drone for exterior shots of the ship, like the helicopter booth, would be nice. But your videos are still very good as is. Thanks.
Did a SAG Deployment with her in the 80s, a Big boy, and when guns are fired its a sight to see and hear. Walked those wooden decks many times moored outboard of her.
Thanks for the HCO station presentation. I was a CG helo pilot and qualified HCO and LSO. Unless the New Jersey had a very unusual waiver, along with the HCO there would have also been an LSO down on the flight deck during helo ops.
Rail? Nope. Cable! Rapid Action Secure and Traverse (RAST) also known as 'Bear Trap' is what is used to help helicopters land on small boys. The Pilot assigned to the ship would be TAD (temporary assigned duty) from a squadron in the battle group.
I would have loved to see more detail of all those control panels like the brief look at 5:10
I am always amazed by the size and complexity of the battleship. It had to be a nightmare to have to create every days roster of what to do and how it was scheduled and who did what part of the planning.
I have always suspected the main schedule was preplanned, and any contingency was dealt with as it arose, but the entire trip could take months, and each phase must have been coordinated with every other part of the crew and their needs and duties throughout the voyage.
Have you had any plans on showing what that took to do in a video yet?
I think BB62 would make an excellent movie set. I can think of a few plots that may make for a good short film. It could be a possible source of revenue for the museum.
Glorious. . .
Was onboard a Knox class frigate, and our LSO was the Disbursing Officer.
I used to man Pro-Fly on the USS Capodanno during flight quarters with the SUPPO. It was about the size of two phone booths. We had a system to talk to the flight deck crew, a system to talk to CIC and a phone to talk to the bridge. We had an anemometer and the wave off lights.
I think a good follow up to this video is to tour the former spaces where the original spaces used to support the Kingfisher float planes. That includes the aviation fuel stores, spare parts, pilots quarters, etc.
As for the personal running the Helicopter Control Booth being former pilots, well from my ignorance point of view but making a good assumption, these would be aviators who would be cycled into this position for 6 to 12 months at a time or aviators who for medical reasons were no longer flight certified. The later would be my best guess considering your knowledge base is still solid and you're performing a vital function allowing cleared pilots to do their jobs.
"lower the blast shields! LOWER THE BLAST SHIELDS!"
I suspect that command would be given just prior to commencing helo operations.
Great looking space
If you need to use that escape scuttle, you are having a REALLY bad day!
Maybe it was just your camera angle, but it doesn’t look like you would have a great view of the landing pad area sitting in that red chair during landing and takeoff operations.
Have you done a recent video on the drone control station?
I was on an LST in '83 out of San Diego LST large slow target
I got two questions. One for the Ryan/iowa class vets: Did they rotate the aft turret over the side to give the helos a little more space?
Second question is for the modernish U.S. Navy guys: how important is a hanger for embarked Helos. Ryan mentioned how that was one of the reasons the Iowas didn’t have a permanent helo complement, but if I remember correctly, the Flight I Arleigh Burkes coming onto the scene around this time also were designed without a hanger but being they were also ASW ships I doubt they didn’t leave port without an MH60 on board. What was the big difference between a Flt 1 Burke with no hanger and an Iowa?
Nice pice of history.
Interesting , Thank You
I've never seen a video about the helicopter control booth. On Battleship New Jersey YT channel.
It looks like those sprayers are actually supplied with fresh water, judging by the pipe up above at 5:10.
The window wash function is to remove salt. This is important in bad weather with a lot of spray water.
Do to the availability that the internet has I am sure there is crews that where assigned to that area still alive that can answer your questions.
Great dry wiper sound effect
Cool countdown!
As for who was manning the control tower, that would have been one of the ships officers and didn't need to be a pilot. They would have had the proper training to man that station. The Air Det couldn't afford to have one of their pilots man that space as there could be a crew swap of the helo, and you only have 4 pilots. On a side note, that control station would have had a terrible view of the flight deck with #3 turret being in the way. On another note, the officer manning the control tower would be trained in the handling of other types of helos and operations that the Air Det pilots may not be trained in.
Actually it was very often one of the helicopter pilots. We didn’t log HCO time but I’ve probably spent a couple of hundred hours as Helicopter Control Officer on Spruance class destroyers, Knox class frigates, and Chauvenet class hydrographic survey vessels. Otherwise on small boys-destroyers and frigates-the ship’s company HCOs were usually the Disbursing Officer, the junior Supply Corps officer onboard, because he wasn’t a watchstander and would therefore always be available to man the tower. The ’83 Det on New Jersey boarded for RIMPAC, an annual joint exercise with Asian, Australian, and New Zealand Navies. Then the New Jersey got orders to support the invasion of Grenada, then to provide gunfire support for operations in Lebanon. After loading up for a cruise of a few weeks, the SH-2F Seasprite LAMPS (Light Airborne Multi-Purpose System) detachment ended up being aboard for almost a year.
I’d guess blast shield v opening the windows depends on WHY you’re firing the guns. In shore bombardment where there’s less of a chance of receiving counter fire you can just open the window. Against Kirov where presumably its launching SSM and firing 6 inch rounds back the blast shield provides somewhat more protection.
I don't know how things were done in the 80s, but on DDGs the Helicopter Control Officer is a collateral duty held by the Disbursing Officer.
Why are there so many ladders on the faces of the turrents when two or three would suffice?
Also, what is the protocol for dusting/cleaning the various spaces?
this makes me wonder about what could have been with the French Richelieus, their layout seems to make them uniquely suited for aircraft operations (the rear turrets are arranged the way they are because of the seaplane hangar), or other things, assuming some further modifications
A couple of questions I have about big ships like this: how concerned are you about decay and INSIDE the barrels of the 16" guns? Any bird or animal nests that you've had to deal with?
The barrels are plugged with tampions
The one Ryan sleeps in is kept generally free of raccoons.
@WanJae42 🤣🤣
Glory Hole means a very different thing in this side of the Atlantic
I'm rather curious, being a former helicopter guy in the US Army, how they electrically ground aircraft once they're down. I did get to see the USS MIssouri in Hawaii, and I couldn't find any grounding stations on the helipad back there, but I thought maybe there was something I was missing. It's important to do that for a whole host of reasons, and one of them is for ground crew safety; in case there's any static build-up, you want to draw that off before you begin refueling, or putting armament on the aircraft. On that point, I wonder how a ship stays electrically grounded?
There’s a grounding wick beside the tail wheel that discharges the huge load of static electricity on touchdown. Tailwheel always touches first.
There are steel tie down points on the flight deck. The helo's grounding cable is clamped onto one of them.
It looks like the view of the flight deck is obscured by turret 3. Did they turn the turret during flight operations?
The fact that it dosent have a beartrap blows my mind, even stationary ships are incredibly difficult to land a helo on. Probably why operations were limited.
Can you do a vid on the tanning deck immediately after of the helo control booth
Are those the stacks of the SS United States you can see in the distance to the right of the bridge?
Quiet likely. It is amazing what you can see on Google Maps. Even good image of BB62, (with the number on turret 2).
sadly won't be there for much longer.
Was going to mention seeing the SS United States funnels in the background. I think she's scheduled to move in about a week.
It really ticks me off that with all of the Billions of dollars spent in this country over the past four years on useless things. That some of it couldn't have been spent to save the nation's flagship. Just one billionaire could write a check for an amount they wouldn't even miss.
I can't wait until we add the Wave Motion Engine to the New Jersey and send it out of the Galaxy.
What’s the view of the flight deck from the control booth with it tents and such in the way?
A NAVY F 35 B Lighting II Could posibly dand on this pad
Very cool space, especially the glory hole lol.
Time 240
Remember, it you are working above 6 ft, be sure to tie off with an 8 ft lanyard.
What's with the color changing light over Ryan's right shoulder inside the shack?
I wonder how many books it takes to map out the electrical circuit schematics of the entire ship
Raising and lowering the anchor.
"... the way Sea Snake was in '83-'84." (03:29)
The helo was called "Sea Sprite", not "Sea Snake."
Been thinking about tying to build an radio control. Ship of the battle ship so any help would be great
Last episode there was mention of the print shop, what happened to it?
What’s the animal sneaking into the shot around 1:00?
A person on a lower deck 🙃🙃🤣
I'd like to see the gun director positions.
It looks like there is an old style car horn aimed at the head of the operator.
Since there is not a hangar to keep a helicopter safe, how did they protect it from the overpressure of firing the guns?
I guess they might have simply not used the rear turret or made the helicopter take off, but that seems inefficient.
I would like to see a detaled vidio on radar espesheliey the power supply moduldator and transmiter recever equipment locateteed away from the radar scopes in cic thanks
I have to doff my cap Ryan: not only is the comments full of ex navy but also worthless civvys like me. Shows the wide spectrum of interest you garner. USA!!
What would be the WORST place on an iowa to take damage from an equivalent 16" cannon. like what single penetrating hit would just cause the most problems.
In any of the main magazines. The ship blows itself apart then. So either going through the main belt, deck, or bulkhead and getting into a main magazine is the absolute worst hit any battleship can take.
These days the CEC would be a bad place to take a hit
A magazine hit especially pre WW2. Then a bridge hit. A few BBs and cruisers got direct hits on the bridge and wiped out just about everyone in it.
That was a good one 👍
RAST... Recover Assist, Secure, Traverse
Where did the helicopter land behind you at 8:34 there's nothing to land on You wouldn't land with all that sticking out
The tents cover the flight deck.
Talk about bug juice
Embarked air crew, dude you making me feel old because I was born in 83. Go A-Team. RIP Falklands soldiers. 51st state hell yeah..
_Missoura_ ???
You mean the _Missouri_ right? Strange oddity that has worked into your speech, Ryan, the last few times in vids you have mentioned her
That’s how people who are actually from Missouri pronounce it. Not an “oddity” at all.
@@garywagner2466 Except in other videos he's said it as it should be... Its only in the last two or three months worth of vids that its started
This is an interesting video. There's a little insight presented on why the ship had no helo assigned in 80's. I think there is also a brief shot of the glass installed on the 08 nav bridge.
th-cam.com/video/oU2bROPTMgw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hGaeX9u4p26TRu0b
7:30 In the background between Ryan and the bridge, aren't those the funnels of the SS United States ? What a crying shame that the the United States can't be saved by.....the United States. It's unbelievable actually.
1st, 8 November 2024
Stupid comment, grow up.
Can you see the poopdeck from the helo control station?