I don't care that others may feel alienated or unwelcome. And I'm not British but you can be sure if ever I get to attend one such concert, I will sing it.
Did people at the time it was written pause to think about the feeling of those who it may affect? No . Do other countries have similar national songs and do they worry about feelings of other people?. I say let it continue
I'm an American by birth but a Brit by ancestry. I'm a huge Anglophile and love the classical patriotic songs of Britain. Rule Britannia is one of my favorites of all time. In general, I'm a very empathetic person, some might say I'm too sensitive, but I think the pendulum is swinging too far to the left and the immense coddling of feelings we are experiencing is doing a real disservice to history. And we're making people too soft. Re-writing history is a dangerous thing. And if we pretend like colonialism didn't happen or condemn every aspect of it, we end up denying the good that it did - and there was good that came out of it despite all those who condemn it. I think it's important that people be allowed to have a sense of pride and belonging in their national identity. That must not be crushed. I say play RULE BRITANNIA, and all the other patriotic songs. Look how much people love it at the Proms. Don't take that away from them. And let us all acknowledge the oppression and work to make the world a better place. But PLEASE let us keep our music!
I’m from Hong Kong. And as a former colony, people from time to time thank Britain what she has done. Building a clean and effective government, a world-class economy and the rule of law. This simply is not possible without British rule. These are facts, and although there are certainly criticisms which I have no doubt are utterly wrong and should not happen again. But it is unfair to uphold current morals when we look back hundreds of years of history. It’s like trying to cancel the history of Roman Empire when we study classics. So as a children of empire, I’m jolly proud to say Rule Britannia.
Many places and country’s are rich and developed without British colonialism and you don’t need British colonialism to be one, also idk much about Hong Kong but Britain most of the time did the opposite deindustrializing India, exploiting countries for their materials etc
@@user-dz4eb5rb3g I never said that countries does need British colonialism to become rich. I have witnessed when I travel to many parts of the world, what post-colonialism have achieved does not necessarily bring prosperity and progress. Many countries have become a failure state, not because of colonialism but because after they gain independence they don’t adopt the rule of law system, the economic development that British administration have brought. Many infrastructures such as hospitals, schools, roads etc are build many years ago by the British, and there are lack of new infrastructure post-independent despite the amount of aids that have been sent or “development”. I have also seen people from those places asking Britain “to rule back their country” for hoping a better life and opportunity. These are also facts. I am not saying colonialism is totally right, and off course it also bring a dark side of history. But we cannot be brainwashed by the woke media and we must always remember there are two sides of a coin.
@@isaacchong4485most of these were people that didn’t want to be together, and they didn’t adopt britans rule of law because Britain it self was the one that set up a lot of their governments to be this way, Britain set them up to be exploitive- not to help the people,it’s this system that’s hard to get away from in many of these countries and where good leaders fail because they couldn’t end the system, Also Britain it’s self was supporting things like coups which helped undermine a lot of countries democracy’s and their stability which contributed to their problems even more.
Yes British Colonialism displaced people, abused countless people, murdered many too. But there is a context beyond victimhood that the woke mob cannot and refuse to see. People forget context. People forget colonialism was done in a time when British women had no right to vote and parents whip their children legally. It doesn’t make these things right but it helps to get a fair perspective if we bother to see things beyond our own coloured lenses. I was born in Singapore to parents who were subjects of the crown and built a post independence Singapore. I’ll still say that without 143 years of British colonialism, the island won’t be what it is today. It was founded and built on the empire’s trade routes. The post independence leaders capitalised on the infrastructure, English common law etc to build a modern society and economy. Without British intervention, Singapore along with many areas of South East Asia would have been taken by communists. More than that I feel that people are getting intellectually indolent. Just because discussing colonialism and slavery bring up very challenging emotions doesn’t mean we should simply erase everything associated with them. With regards to what James said about experiencing music in relation to the historical context of it, I feel that it is also true that we can experience classical music in our current context. We can adopt rule Britannia as a way to express hopes that Britain will continue to see success as a nation. If I do manage to get tickets for the last night tomorrow at the Royal Albert Hall, I’d surely be singing Rule Britannia at the top of my voice.
@@vinkwan87 I didn’t speak with emotion, I spoke clearly about how a lot of these country’s modern day problems handle back to colonialism and the cruel exploitative nature of the governments that Britain set up, they also set up borders that would get country’s on fights on purpose which further added to their problems.
I think we should still be able to appreciate and sing a good piece of music. However, as you've noted, we should be aware of it's context at the same time and reflect on its heavy history. The portion of the population that will do that, when left to their own devices, is largely a reflection of the quality of our historical and political education systems.
I side with David Walliams when he was asked about the Connery and Moore Bond films supposedly being 'problematic'. He said you can't look at the past through the lens of today. In any case no matter what you do someone somewhere will get offended. Sad to say that there's probably people out there who spend their entire existence looking for something to get offended about.....🙄
I love rule Britannia I'll always sing it
I don't care that others may feel alienated or unwelcome. And I'm not British but you can be sure if ever I get to attend one such concert, I will sing it.
Did people at the time it was written pause to think about the feeling of those who it may affect? No . Do other countries have similar national songs and do they worry about feelings of other people?. I say let it continue
I'm an American by birth but a Brit by ancestry. I'm a huge Anglophile and love the classical patriotic songs of Britain. Rule Britannia is one of my favorites of all time. In general, I'm a very empathetic person, some might say I'm too sensitive, but I think the pendulum is swinging too far to the left and the immense coddling of feelings we are experiencing is doing a real disservice to history. And we're making people too soft. Re-writing history is a dangerous thing. And if we pretend like colonialism didn't happen or condemn every aspect of it, we end up denying the good that it did - and there was good that came out of it despite all those who condemn it. I think it's important that people be allowed to have a sense of pride and belonging in their national identity. That must not be crushed. I say play RULE BRITANNIA, and all the other patriotic songs. Look how much people love it at the Proms. Don't take that away from them. And let us all acknowledge the oppression and work to make the world a better place. But PLEASE let us keep our music!
Yes. We should
I’m from Hong Kong. And as a former colony, people from time to time thank Britain what she has done. Building a clean and effective government, a world-class economy and the rule of law. This simply is not possible without British rule. These are facts, and although there are certainly criticisms which I have no doubt are utterly wrong and should not happen again. But it is unfair to uphold current morals when we look back hundreds of years of history. It’s like trying to cancel the history of Roman Empire when we study classics. So as a children of empire, I’m jolly proud to say Rule Britannia.
Many places and country’s are rich and developed without British colonialism and you don’t need British colonialism to be one, also idk much about Hong Kong but Britain most of the time did the opposite deindustrializing India, exploiting countries for their materials etc
@@user-dz4eb5rb3g I never said that countries does need British colonialism to become rich. I have witnessed when I travel to many parts of the world, what post-colonialism have achieved does not necessarily bring prosperity and progress. Many countries have become a failure state, not because of colonialism but because after they gain independence they don’t adopt the rule of law system, the economic development that British administration have brought. Many infrastructures such as hospitals, schools, roads etc are build many years ago by the British, and there are lack of new infrastructure post-independent despite the amount of aids that have been sent or “development”. I have also seen people from those places asking Britain “to rule back their country” for hoping a better life and opportunity. These are also facts. I am not saying colonialism is totally right, and off course it also bring a dark side of history. But we cannot be brainwashed by the woke media and we must always remember there are two sides of a coin.
@@isaacchong4485most of these were people that didn’t want to be together, and they didn’t adopt britans rule of law because Britain it self was the one that set up a lot of their governments to be this way, Britain set them up to be exploitive- not to help the people,it’s this system that’s hard to get away from in many of these countries and where good leaders fail because they couldn’t end the system, Also Britain it’s self was supporting things like coups which helped undermine a lot of countries democracy’s and their stability which contributed to their problems even more.
Yes British Colonialism displaced people, abused countless people, murdered many too. But there is a context beyond victimhood that the woke mob cannot and refuse to see.
People forget context. People forget colonialism was done in a time when British women had no right to vote and parents whip their children legally. It doesn’t make these things right but it helps to get a fair perspective if we bother to see things beyond our own coloured lenses.
I was born in Singapore to parents who were subjects of the crown and built a post independence Singapore. I’ll still say that without 143 years of British colonialism, the island won’t be what it is today. It was founded and built on the empire’s trade routes. The post independence leaders capitalised on the infrastructure, English common law etc to build a modern society and economy. Without British intervention, Singapore along with many areas of South East Asia would have been taken by communists.
More than that I feel that people are getting intellectually indolent. Just because discussing colonialism and slavery bring up very challenging emotions doesn’t mean we should simply erase everything associated with them.
With regards to what James said about experiencing music in relation to the historical context of it, I feel that it is also true that we can experience classical music in our current context. We can adopt rule Britannia as a way to express hopes that Britain will continue to see success as a nation.
If I do manage to get tickets for the last night tomorrow at the Royal Albert Hall, I’d surely be singing Rule Britannia at the top of my voice.
@@vinkwan87 I didn’t speak with emotion, I spoke clearly about how a lot of these country’s modern day problems handle back to colonialism and the cruel exploitative nature of the governments that Britain set up, they also set up borders that would get country’s on fights on purpose which further added to their problems.
Hell Yes 🙌!!! My family came thru Virginia in the 1690’s. Not all of us wanted to break away from the Crown!!!
I think we should still be able to appreciate and sing a good piece of music. However, as you've noted, we should be aware of it's context at the same time and reflect on its heavy history. The portion of the population that will do that, when left to their own devices, is largely a reflection of the quality of our historical and political education systems.
I side with David Walliams when he was asked about the Connery and Moore Bond films supposedly being 'problematic'. He said you can't look at the past through the lens of today. In any case no matter what you do someone somewhere will get offended. Sad to say that there's probably people out there who spend their entire existence looking for something to get offended about.....🙄
keep singing it lads. RULE BRITANNIA!!