No wonder there's too many yellows in modern era of Indycar street course races. Look at this race and how many disabled cars scattered throughout the course. It took them what seems to be forever to get it off the track.
When the replay pauses at 30:42, the flagman has the yellow flag in hand, but he withdraws it to wave the green. According to the rulebook, as read by Paul Page, the start was validated by the flagman, and therefore legal. Like Uncle Bobby at Indy in 1981, the rule was written poorly, yet what happened on track was not worthy of a penalty.
I Have a New Auto Racing Movie Called Five Angry Men. Starring Roger Penske. Rick Mears. Steffan Johanssen. Al Unser Jr. Rick Galles. And Also Starring Wally Dalenbach As The Crooked Race Official.
These guys were the best IndyCar broadcasting team ever, but I'm baffled at how wrongly they described Emo's penalty. It wasn't about who crossed the LINE first. It was that Emo jumped Mansell by easily a car length BEFORE the green was thrown. 28:12 The starter blew it. Never should have thrown the green. Pole sitter has the right to control the start-that is, be in front-at the green.
If the car on the pole isn't supposed to cross the line first, then what the hell's the point of being/starting first? It pretty clearly looked like Emmo had a car-length on Nigel before the green flag flew. A drive thru should have been sufficient (but they were all about stop and go's back then), or giving the position back. I felt that the penalty was fair...I think there was backlash because it was the European Rookie (reigning F1 champ) "caused" it.
I remember staying up with my Dad to watch Nigel race in Indycar in 93... just 4 years old :)
And not too far away, Alain Prost was tackling the Canadian Grand Prix in the car Mansell developed.
No wonder there's too many yellows in modern era of Indycar street course races. Look at this race and how many disabled cars scattered throughout the course. It took them what seems to be forever to get it off the track.
RIP Bobby Unser
When the replay pauses at 30:42, the flagman has the yellow flag in hand, but he withdraws it to wave the green. According to the rulebook, as read by Paul Page, the start was validated by the flagman, and therefore legal. Like Uncle Bobby at Indy in 1981, the rule was written poorly, yet what happened on track was not worthy of a penalty.
I Have a New Auto Racing Movie Called Five Angry Men.
Starring
Roger Penske.
Rick Mears.
Steffan Johanssen.
Al Unser Jr.
Rick Galles.
And Also Starring Wally Dalenbach As The Crooked Race Official.
These guys were the best IndyCar broadcasting team ever, but I'm baffled at how wrongly they described Emo's penalty. It wasn't about who crossed the LINE first. It was that Emo jumped Mansell by easily a car length BEFORE the green was thrown. 28:12 The starter blew it. Never should have thrown the green. Pole sitter has the right to control the start-that is, be in front-at the green.
And I thought that penalties is ridiculous nowadays.
If the car on the pole isn't supposed to cross the line first, then what the hell's the point of being/starting first? It pretty clearly looked like Emmo had a car-length on Nigel before the green flag flew. A drive thru should have been sufficient (but they were all about stop and go's back then), or giving the position back. I felt that the penalty was fair...I think there was backlash because it was the European Rookie (reigning F1 champ) "caused" it.
+MvG Sports The solution is very simple, NO.. ROLLING.. START.
Problem solved. You're welcome.
11:25 race start
I much prefer dedicated road courses, like Mid-Ohio or Laguna Seca, as opposed to these improvised street courses.
I know this is 93 but this announcer is wrong. If you’re staying on the same racing line that’s not blocking
1:04:00 - Ambivalence towards yellow flags is nothing new.
Mansell should've been black-flagged for blocking... no two ways about it
+Mike Frohman Holding your racing line when you are ahead is not blocking. And Mansell was way better than the yanks at it.
Emo jumped the start in my opinion.
Wally not only bad driver, bad everything what horrible decisions!!!
This has to be the worse track ever
I always hated these improvised road courses, like Detroit or Toronto.