Having 2v2 tournaments or ffa just for fun a big tournaments would have be a great way to keep sc2 fresh. I think its a little late now but still love to see it
Imagine Dark and Serral work together as the Ultimate Hive. While Serral doing all the house keeping, creeping, injecting for both swarms, Dark just spine rush the enemy
@@rumar4u Nah Dark and Serral defo is the way to go. Serral has absurd macro and management and Dark has that killer gamesense, so they work together well. One makes sure theres a ton of resources to throw at the enemy and the other uses them to great effect.
but tbh i feel like Hero and Serral would be an even better combo, because Serral is rock solid and heros pretty much the opposite. all fancy no groundwork :D
@@Phoenix-zu6on Well maybe I’ve seen how he goes toe to toe with Clem which I believe is more than what Dark can do, plus Dark’s too unpredictable to be doing 2v2
Or in the ending of brood wars case, be over run by them 😭 nobody ever even knew what happened UED fleet because ever last one of them was killed by Kerrigan.
Most of the time, we're talking about the actual game in here. But i want to say "Thank you, Sir! Thank you for your work @Winter, to give us all those wonderful entertaining streams, including lots of little but fun video-effects like fading in hearthstone-like player-portraits, sound-effects like the mighty battlecruiser fanfare and so many others. Greatings from germany.
This was glorious. Love a good display of proper teamplay, even if the mode is deemed to be unbalanced. Great series, great cast (as always). More of both please!!
That WoW t-shirt takes me back to the 90s. For the kiddos and those not raised on K-love radio, it was a yearly released Christian pop hits compilations on CD. Now we just have spotify playlists and live in disparate and infinite mini-cultures merging the decades like 1 inch of topsoil. #monoCultureisDead #maybethatsok
Speaking as someone who has played a lot of team games, the strongest opponent you could face is a single player with two people's income vs two people trying to coordinate.
At lower level, like diamond, it's not true. Most of players have not enough skills to expand, research and attack at the same time. Therefore 2 playes have strong advantage been able to expand mostly unchallenged.
It's rare to see critical mass BCs lose but they couldn't handle the combined damage from the Protoss fleet and the Vikings. There were so many Vikings lmao.
Absolutely fantastic series and casting, Winter. This is top quality content and the best fun I've had watching your vids for a while. Just great, love i!
Watching 200 supply of Battlecruisers smash into a pile of carriers in a 2v2 made me feel something I haven't felt since brood war basement games with friends in high school.
2v2 is so fresh due to meta reasons, unfortunately there's no so many working combos. It seems like for any competitive RTS to succeed these days might require an IP with a large fanbase already. I am hoping there's a new DoW that's actually good to enough to an eSport. I think it can have huge potential for asymmetric faction mechanics that makes it entertaining to watch, enough of a fan base already internationally to jump start. Balancing (or not) the dozen plus factions might be too tall a task to ask for any developer though.
I don't think this would change a lot. Many rts players stick with their game even if the same IP releases a new game(SC2 & AoE2) And then the pvp gamemode usually plays very very different than the pve gamemodes, so most players never play multiplayer. Mobas & Battle Royale games are so popular because they are easy to learn & hard to master, while there simply isn't a pve mode, so players never learn to feel safe. Most rts games are hard to learn and hard to master. This simply pushes people away.
As much as I would LOVE to watch PPvPP, I think I'd prefer to watch TTvZZ or TZvTZ. I bet it could be done. Honestly I bet PPvPP is just five minutes long per game.
looks like spirit and gerald is more like teammates who work together and have a strategy that they want to try while maru and byun play like partners who trust each other to cover each others backs.
Byun left the game to gift maru hus production and eco he had left so maru could try to win. It was planned. Byuns eco was so bad he could not use his production
Thing is when we played 2v2 or 3v3 in wc3 "ill go anti-air and casters" and someone built 1 specific thing and we played like the other person would build what they said they would
I feel like battle cruisers are great but are not balanced for this type of play. They are too slow and don't really do enough consistent damage to deal with the number of units you see in a 2v2. I also feel like the Korean team at 41:00 lost because they didn't move to enough AA. Like sure the threat of a ground army was real but there were so many wasted tanks that just didn't really go towards anything. Also I would like to preface this by saying I'm no expert on StarCraft so I could be completely wrong. I used to play a bunch but never got very good at the game. Love these games though. It brings in an entirely new dynamic.
Yes, the korean team's air force is smaller than their opponent's, their ground army is not strong against air, and their opponent's air force can hit both ground and air.
I think you casting 1-2 teal games per month would be great. More than that will be a little much. Also looks like maru has a better mental fortitude than byun.
I have noticed that I wanted to like your videos more than any other videos when you asked us to like and subscribe because its so casual and little details like "doubling the thousand at the start" such a fun way to beg for likes and subscribes. I dont know what I would do with my life without liking your videos ma man
Having 2v2 tournaments or ffa just for fun a big tournaments would have be a great way to keep sc2 fresh. I think its a little late now but still love to see it
Never understood why they never used team matches, more units=more fun
@@MarlonSolisFallas Because its not really balanced for competitive play is why. Though that is sad cause its some times a ton of fun to watch.
Need more 2v2 (or more) pro level games!
Now I'm starving for z&z vs T&T
going to be the same as Z vs T except the zergs will do even worse in the late game... terran units (read ghost) stack up far better
Imagine Dark and Serral work together as the Ultimate Hive.
While Serral doing all the house keeping, creeping, injecting for both swarms, Dark just spine rush the enemy
Reynor: Am I a joke to you ?
@@rumar4u Nah Dark and Serral defo is the way to go. Serral has absurd macro and management and Dark has that killer gamesense, so they work together well. One makes sure theres a ton of resources to throw at the enemy and the other uses them to great effect.
but tbh i feel like Hero and Serral would be an even better combo, because Serral is rock solid and heros pretty much the opposite. all fancy no groundwork :D
@@Phoenix-zu6on Well maybe I’ve seen how he goes toe to toe with Clem which I believe is more than what Dark can do, plus Dark’s too unpredictable to be doing 2v2
Nah, Serral is too "standard". Give me Dark and Rogue.
Maru and Byun vs anyone but dark and serral feels like an overpowered team
Edit: just finished and it was a very interesting series
Makes you wonder if it would have ended differently if game 1 had stayed a 2v2 till the end.
clem and serral
@@dimitarpetkov177Too op
@@dimitarpetkov177Clem+maru vs dark+serral
Clem amd Byun vs Olivera and Maru
I feel like you should advertise this as 2v2, its unusual and imo its cool and very underutilised in SC2 Pro matches.
Battlecruisers + Final likely gets more viewers.
@@berndarndt9924 you can have all 3 :D
love this 2v2 format！
I want that TPvZZ, Winter. Give me those delicious Campaign vibes of Terrans and Protoss coming together to fend off the Swarm.
Or in the ending of brood wars case, be over run by them 😭
nobody ever even knew what happened UED fleet because ever last one of them was killed by Kerrigan.
Most of the time, we're talking about the actual game in here. But i want to say "Thank you, Sir! Thank you for your work @Winter, to give us all those wonderful entertaining streams, including lots of little but fun video-effects like fading in hearthstone-like player-portraits, sound-effects like the mighty battlecruiser fanfare and so many others. Greatings from germany.
Amazing team work from Spirit and Gerald !!! they beat 2 world champions at once ;)))
This was glorious. Love a good display of proper teamplay, even if the mode is deemed to be unbalanced. Great series, great cast (as always). More of both please!!
Pro team matches seems interesting I'd watch another one if you posted it
Very fun this hybrid games
I love to see this that combination between Terran and Protoss is so powerful
That WoW t-shirt takes me back to the 90s. For the kiddos and those not raised on K-love radio, it was a yearly released Christian pop hits compilations on CD. Now we just have spotify playlists and live in disparate and infinite mini-cultures merging the decades like 1 inch of topsoil. #monoCultureisDead #maybethatsok
its very refreshing I love this , please make more 2v2 Winter
Speaking as someone who has played a lot of team games, the strongest opponent you could face is a single player with two people's income vs two people trying to coordinate.
At lower level, like diamond, it's not true. Most of players have not enough skills to expand, research and attack at the same time. Therefore 2 playes have strong advantage been able to expand mostly unchallenged.
if one guy focuses on economy, it's very viable.
Serral and Clem team up would be insane to watch. They would just crush
1:02:23 "Don't ask how Physics works" 🤣
Based solely off the cards you’d think this would be one sided. Amazing series!
It's rare to see critical mass BCs lose but they couldn't handle the combined damage from the Protoss fleet and the Vikings. There were so many Vikings lmao.
Absolutely fantastic series and casting, Winter. This is top quality content and the best fun I've had watching your vids for a while. Just great, love i!
havne't seen a maru game for a long time. almost thought he retired.
I want a team game with Dark and Rogue working together on one side.
Watching 200 supply of Battlecruisers smash into a pile of carriers in a 2v2 made me feel something I haven't felt since brood war basement games with friends in high school.
It's not just team games where you can steal add-ons.
Terrans can land on any add-ons and claim it - even your opponents in 1v1.
sick battles all around. great series. 'nuff said
More of this for sure
2v2 is so fresh due to meta reasons, unfortunately there's no so many working combos. It seems like for any competitive RTS to succeed these days might require an IP with a large fanbase already. I am hoping there's a new DoW that's actually good to enough to an eSport. I think it can have huge potential for asymmetric faction mechanics that makes it entertaining to watch, enough of a fan base already internationally to jump start. Balancing (or not) the dozen plus factions might be too tall a task to ask for any developer though.
I don't think this would change a lot. Many rts players stick with their game even if the same IP releases a new game(SC2 & AoE2)
And then the pvp gamemode usually plays very very different than the pve gamemodes, so most players never play multiplayer.
Mobas & Battle Royale games are so popular because they are easy to learn & hard to master, while there simply isn't a pve mode, so players never learn to feel safe.
Most rts games are hard to learn and hard to master. This simply pushes people away.
"There's always that guy sitting back and making carriers"
Now I know I've been playing like a pro this whole time.
I'd like to believe that ByuN just had to go to the bathroom in game 1.
3:30 I wish creep worked in team games the same as in coop.
came here for this, co-op creep is owned by everybody so it doesn’t block terran protoss structures, i’m sure they could mod this.
I laugh every single time I see the Micro Jackson profile spot. Good stuff.
Winter, we need you to use your connections to get a ZZ vs TT game with pros
2v2...what a treat. thanks Winter
I lived this match!! 2v2 is epic to watch..
Not just MMM unit composition every match.
As much as I would LOVE to watch PPvPP, I think I'd prefer to watch TTvZZ or TZvTZ. I bet it could be done.
Honestly I bet PPvPP is just five minutes long per game.
looks like spirit and gerald is more like teammates who work together and have a strategy that they want to try while maru and byun play like partners who trust each other to cover each others backs.
We meed more 2v2 games broadcasted on the channel! Thanks for the video!
Byun left the game to gift maru hus production and eco he had left so maru could try to win. It was planned. Byuns eco was so bad he could not use his production
MORE 2V2!
More 2v2 clips please
Fuckin' aye team games hype! Now, if only we could get organized 3v3...
I hope we reach the like goal so Winter doesnt close the channel
Ah yes maru's split personality, Martwo
starcraft logic, dud with a rifle destroys a space ship
Marine or zerling can destroy tank.
imagine being up against Maru and Byun
12 BC's going on 20! Beautiful, absolutely beautiful!
Jimmy doubling that number of likes making Winter's life more harder lols
I so wanted maru to win that first one. What a heroic stand.
2 v 2 is really cool I just wish they would make creep not so obstructive to allies so we could see more then two races
I love 2v2 i wish we had more games!
This was great more of this please
Thing is when we played 2v2 or 3v3 in wc3 "ill go anti-air and casters" and someone built 1 specific thing and we played like the other person would build what they said they would
Wow Maru playing single player
I feel like battle cruisers are great but are not balanced for this type of play. They are too slow and don't really do enough consistent damage to deal with the number of units you see in a 2v2. I also feel like the Korean team at 41:00 lost because they didn't move to enough AA. Like sure the threat of a ground army was real but there were so many wasted tanks that just didn't really go towards anything. Also I would like to preface this by saying I'm no expert on StarCraft so I could be completely wrong. I used to play a bunch but never got very good at the game.
Love these games though. It brings in an entirely new dynamic.
Yes, the korean team's air force is smaller than their opponent's, their ground army is not strong against air, and their opponent's air force can hit both ground and air.
I nodded slowly in anticipation upon reading the title. This ought to be a heck of a game.
Dwóch Polaków w teamie, Spirit i Gerald 😮
I'd like to see more 2v2 casts.
Great 2v2 game right there
Awesome guys love 2v2
Brawo panowie!
I'm a little confused... Why did Maru and byun stim with no medic straight into a tank?
Lol. Well played by the polish team!
If the like count is doubled for a 2v2, I should be able to give all 4 of those players a like… +1 for Susan
Thank You
Om nom nom
Lol, Maru and Byun together in a 2v2 and somehow losing
God dayum
That wasn't 200 supply of battlecruisers though, he still had like 40 SCV's
seeing that last game play out was mmmm delicious
most professionnal..still to see, already battlecruiser is a good start, good commenting still
I agree with Jimmy we should double it, will he appear on October 31?
"Two HP which is one more than it needs" 😅
Is it possible that you pop in "ingame time" in your replays?
2v2 is awesome 🎉
heck yeah, great video
I think you casting 1-2 teal games per month would be great. More than that will be a little much.
Also looks like maru has a better mental fortitude than byun.
Maru is the most reliable teammate of maru
The Terran and Protoss together had an advantage over the x2 Terran, with some unit mixes that really worked well togeher.
First time I've watched and my like contributed to the goal 💥
just leaving a 2v2 game without asking your team mate, that's so bm man.
Blizz should make world of StarCraft..
Winter, you are the best!
Let's get this to 2,874 likes :))
Crazy how team Korea wasn't sharing control
Marines onna 1way trip
Poor Protos, EMP coming from all sides.
Winter always dressed for the occasion
2:07 flo has stolen addons before
And I feel like you don't have to wait for the 4 minute mark in a team game either, because it's something built into the game.
I have one of the funniest 4v4 replay i want to share with you Winter, how do i do so lol
gratulacje chlopaki ! 💪
Maru: "come at me bro"
Jimmy demands likes, i oblige
I have noticed that I wanted to like your videos more than any other videos when you asked us to like and subscribe because its so casual and little details like "doubling the thousand at the start" such a fun way to beg for likes and subscribes. I dont know what I would do with my life without liking your videos ma man
2v2 ❤
Br… Brenda !! Where’s the Like button… it’s there Susan
When I play raynor and swann i try to get swann to build ALL attachments.
Day 73 winter. Still looking for our Brenda t shirt...
"Get off my CREEP!"
Added my like
Even though he had a Terran. My like rules are simple, Terran loses, likes given!
I see Maru in the title, I click
Ally of Zerg: Brenda don’t put that tumour there!
Doubled anyway lol
1min in and the teams do not look fair at all... I can't even recall the blue team. Interested to see how this is an hour long