It's so true! FAANG looks so shiny from outside! Quant is famous for attracting some of the smartest folks like you because of the intellectual rigour it provides. All the best buddy! Thanks
You understood what most of the software engineers take years to realise which is career/expertise management and not fall for the "safety zone cushion" trap and that is very very difficult.
you say you are only entry-level, yet you seem to already be expert in system design. how did you learn all that without the years of experience building them at scale at Google, etc? also yes, great summary of politics. i love to code, but politics makes me hate PMs and hate my job. non-techs just take all the credit and get the promotion.
Perhaps building real massive systems in practice have other concerns than theoretically such as counting the number of dev hours it takes to build versus just throwing more money at vertical scaling
Thanks for sharing your info, your videos definitely help a lot. Wish you best in your next adventure. Next week I will interview Apple as data engineer (new grad), is it possible to mock an interview with you?
Wait so why quant finance? Why not an early stage startup that’s growing fast? Unless you really cared about the money. But if it was learning you were after, I think a startup would have greater dividends in that regard. Would like to hear your thought process, if you considered the exciting startup/rocket ship route
Thanks for the response. Quick follow up: I’ve always worried that the stuff you learn in quant finance isn’t as applicable outside the field? Say i wanted to eventually start my own company, do you think the learning at a quant firm is comparable to the learnings at an early stage? (Basically is the quant firm still a better bet since you don’t have to trade off money, but still learn a tonne, compared to an early stage startup)
@@rtusiime I think that's hard to say and it's very role dependent! Assuming that you're talking about being a software engineer (as opposed to a trader or quant researcher), you could have many different types of day to day projects. You might be writing exchange facing code, or you might be doing more infrastructural work. All of this to say, I don't really think working one particular job is going to make you better suited to "start your own company" one day, but perhaps you'll gain some niche knowledge in your particular domain that does.
Great video! I'm a new grad who JUST started my position a week ago and I wanted to originally do full stack but I think my manager is putting me through the exact same data pipeline job where i use SQL. Hopefully i don't get pigeonholed in that for TOO long or else I'll probably end up finding a new team after. Do you think it's okay staying a year here for the experience and my resume even if I don't want to get stuck doing SQL? It's a rotational program for a big company so I get to switch teams guaranteed in a year if I wanted.
Yeah that seems fine to me - truthfully plenty of software engineers go very far doing data related engineering, I'd just say switch if you aren't interested in it
Great, now I can look forward to “quant swe teaches …” lol but really congrats, the focus on learning/developing technical expertise seems like a really valid reason to switch jobs. I imagine the difference in hours per week to pay ratio is worth it for front loading the technical growth. Enjoy your travels 👍
I do not know if I should say congratulations, but I guess You will have success in any area where You will start. I wish You to find the best place where You will enjoy the work and utilize Your talent 100%.
Congrats my man! I've always wanted to break into the quantitative finance space, but I'm afraid I'm not big brain enough to make the cut. If you don't mind sharing, what was your interview prep like? Standard leetcode + sys design or did you have to study math/stats/finance as well?
Yeah more or less standard Leetcode for the one that I'm ending up joining. For others that I interviewed with, maybe sprinkle in a little bit of operating systems and systems design
@@jordanhasnolife5163 Did they also expect you to be proficient in C++? I've heard that's required as well, but maybe that's only for quant devs and not general swe.
You are amazing man, wherever you go you will good. Glad things worked out for you. I am in a little different boat, I got laid off from Google last month during the golden12k layoff. I will definitely share your System Design videos to give it more visibility. Thank your for making the videos. :)
@@jordanhasnolife5163 thanks for saying that. I am preparing and applying these days. Your videos do help! Will definitely update here when I land something. Thanks 😊
Also, weren't you at Amazon? Then you should know that a lot of work at these big tech companies is boring! There was a huge turning point after I interned at Amazon, and I realized that swe was not what I wanted to do.
hey bro. trying to get a entry level position at a FAANG company myself.. I know knowing DSA is very important, but for entry level positions do you think I should put a high focus on learning all of the system design concepts? (i know some of them but not all)
Congrats dude! It definitely takes balls to leave, especially rn, but it sounds like things worked out pretty well so far!
Thanks man, I hope so, and hope we get a chance to speak at some point! Certainly doesn't have to be a TH-cam Collab haha
@@jordanhasnolife5163 yeah for sure, feel free to msg me on discord/twitter
The main reason why Jordan left google is lack of hot chicks in the office. take notes Mr Pichai
It's so true! FAANG looks so shiny from outside! Quant is famous for attracting some of the smartest folks like you because of the intellectual rigour it provides. All the best buddy! Thanks
Thanks Sohan, I appreciate that!
Lol so you quit google for a better job ….
😇
You understood what most of the software engineers take years to realise which is career/expertise management and not fall for the "safety zone cushion" trap and that is very very difficult.
Thanks man, I guess we'll see haha
Damn! Best of luck to you Jordan. Tbh you’re gonna kill it anywhere you go.
You mentioned not caring about $.
Are you getting paid more at your new job than at Google ?
Haha I definitely care about money Joe - it's a combination of the two otherwise I'd have been more keen to transfer internally
you say you are only entry-level, yet you seem to already be expert in system design. how did you learn all that without the years of experience building them at scale at Google, etc?
also yes, great summary of politics. i love to code, but politics makes me hate PMs and hate my job. non-techs just take all the credit and get the promotion.
Perhaps building real massive systems in practice have other concerns than theoretically such as counting the number of dev hours it takes to build versus just throwing more money at vertical scaling
Thanks for sharing your info, your videos definitely help a lot. Wish you best in your next adventure. Next week I will interview Apple as data engineer (new grad), is it possible to mock an interview with you?
Hey man! Unfortunately I'm traveling at the moment, so I really don't have time, but stay confident and do your best you'll kill it!
Wait so why quant finance? Why not an early stage startup that’s growing fast? Unless you really cared about the money. But if it was learning you were after, I think a startup would have greater dividends in that regard.
Would like to hear your thought process, if you considered the exciting startup/rocket ship route
1) I am learning
2) I care about money
Thanks for the response. Quick follow up: I’ve always worried that the stuff you learn in quant finance isn’t as applicable outside the field? Say i wanted to eventually start my own company, do you think the learning at a quant firm is comparable to the learnings at an early stage? (Basically is the quant firm still a better bet since you don’t have to trade off money, but still learn a tonne, compared to an early stage startup)
@@rtusiime I think that's hard to say and it's very role dependent! Assuming that you're talking about being a software engineer (as opposed to a trader or quant researcher), you could have many different types of day to day projects. You might be writing exchange facing code, or you might be doing more infrastructural work. All of this to say, I don't really think working one particular job is going to make you better suited to "start your own company" one day, but perhaps you'll gain some niche knowledge in your particular domain that does.
Love the clarity of thought and the way you laid the reasons behind quitting! Good luck on your next role.
Gigachad, this justifies the day in the life video 🗿🗿
Had to do it before I left lol
this is freedom of speech, well done Jordan
Crazy how all those months of leetcoding and studying system design led to a job of writing sql for marketing data.
I'd have to agree
thanks for sharing, i left after 9 months, with a great rating, and it was but wasn't really for me.
Not everyone can think that clearly and take a difficult decision in life. You have my respect, fan for life!!!
Thanks Abishek!
I have so much respect for you Jordan! I wish you the best and I'm looking forward to more videos!
Google they ask ppl the toughest questions then they make them do sql 🤣 love it
Dude can’t wait to see what’s in store from you next!!!!
I talked to someone who does data moving with SQL at Meta but the person is really happy to have the chill work
That's very fair - on busy weeks I definitely miss things
Great video! I'm a new grad who JUST started my position a week ago and I wanted to originally do full stack but I think my manager is putting me through the exact same data pipeline job where i use SQL. Hopefully i don't get pigeonholed in that for TOO long or else I'll probably end up finding a new team after. Do you think it's okay staying a year here for the experience and my resume even if I don't want to get stuck doing SQL? It's a rotational program for a big company so I get to switch teams guaranteed in a year if I wanted.
Yeah that seems fine to me - truthfully plenty of software engineers go very far doing data related engineering, I'd just say switch if you aren't interested in it
Great decision!! Best of luck at 💲💰📈💵🤑 company
Congratulation Jordan! I like your content, and I think you made a wise decision! Wish you all the best in your next role~
Great, now I can look forward to “quant swe teaches …” lol but really congrats, the focus on learning/developing technical expertise seems like a really valid reason to switch jobs. I imagine the difference in hours per week to pay ratio is worth it for front loading the technical growth. Enjoy your travels 👍
Oh I'll be milking it to the fullest extent
Congrats dude! ever thought if you made all those videos and "Quitting Google after 8 months" went viral? :)
It would be all too fitting, welcome to my ex-google era
I do not know if I should say congratulations, but I guess You will have success in any area where You will start. I wish You to find the best place where You will enjoy the work and utilize Your talent 100%.
Thanks Andrii!
Congratulations! You're so cool on following your heart.
Thanks a lot! Can't say I regret it thus far!
Congrats my man! I've always wanted to break into the quantitative finance space, but I'm afraid I'm not big brain enough to make the cut. If you don't mind sharing, what was your interview prep like? Standard leetcode + sys design or did you have to study math/stats/finance as well?
Yeah more or less standard Leetcode for the one that I'm ending up joining. For others that I interviewed with, maybe sprinkle in a little bit of operating systems and systems design
Definitely wouldn't say you're not big brain enough, I've failed hundreds of interviews man all it takes is 1!
@@jordanhasnolife5163 Did they also expect you to be proficient in C++? I've heard that's required as well, but maybe that's only for quant devs and not general swe.
@@raymondyang2018 Some companies require that, mine doesn't :)
@@jordanhasnolife5163 What kind of tech stack is a must for quant finance?
Good for you Jordan. Best of luck on your next adventure :)
Had missed some of your videos lately, but this one was unexpected. Anyways, Good Luck Man!.
Miss those intros. 🙏
Yes dude, it's all about enjoying the work that you do. After a while, the "prestige" and the pay of the company gets old.
The "politics" part is spot on. It's the most draining part of working in "Big Tech".
Congrats on the new job.
You're inspirational! Keep up making TH-cam videos, I learn a lot from you!
You are amazing man, wherever you go you will good. Glad things worked out for you. I am in a little different boat, I got laid off from Google last month during the golden12k layoff. I will definitely share your System Design videos to give it more visibility. Thank your for making the videos. :)
Thanks Dhananjay! I'm very sorry to hear about your situation but I'm sure you'll come out of it in a better place than ever!
@@jordanhasnolife5163 thanks for saying that. I am preparing and applying these days. Your videos do help! Will definitely update here when I land something. Thanks 😊
Also, weren't you at Amazon? Then you should know that a lot of work at these big tech companies is boring! There was a huge turning point after I interned at Amazon, and I realized that swe was not what I wanted to do.
Actually I had a good time at Amazon lol - got too caught up in the slight pay bump and supposedly much better wlb of my Google offer
Hey Jordan, I am kinda in a similer situation right now. Wish me luck!
Good luck!
hey bro. trying to get a entry level position at a FAANG company myself.. I know knowing DSA is very important, but for entry level positions do you think I should put a high focus on learning all of the system design concepts? (i know some of them but not all)
Probably not, I think I'd spend more time on DS and A
@@jordanhasnolife5163 thanks bro!
Congrats and best wishes!🎉
best of luck Jordan
congrats man
How about making some travel vids in these 2 months? Would love to see all the places you get to visit
Haha I may try, it's partially for work so I'm not moving around as much as you may think
👍
Good luck Jordan!
All the best!
Mazal tov
Google sql writter
I'm a SQL monkey
Its the same in all companies
Yeah prob
Time 2 retire
Are you moving?
Yup :(
What's your LinkedIn handle
www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-epstein-69b017177