What Happened To Prototype: Omnistone? | League of Legends
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- Another discussion video for today! I wanted to talk about forgotten runes in the game, specifically why no one uses Prototype: Omnistone.
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ok what does pot of greed do tho?
No clue, I've been trying to figure it out for years now...
It erases time.
@@VarsVerum i think it allows you to summon the forbidden one
It summons the Bancient One
It causes this comment to exist.
Oh and it is deck neutral at no cost. So at least of the same value as breathing. As that too does not require any additional in game inputs.
As said by Tobias Fate, "The Inspiration Tree is so uninspiring."
But Unsealed spell book is still better than Glacial augment and heck Omnistone.
@@years-ti7xl Wtf are you talking about, glacial augment was permanently picked on Sion, Veigar, Ahri and other champions last season.
Voil Velev but unsealed was also permapicked on a ton of different champions until its eventual nerfs.
@@voilvelev6775 And Senna. It's still usually her main rune, though Grasp and Frostfire Gauntlet is starting to see more play now.
@@voilvelev6775 and now theyre pretty useless because of item rework
"Imagine having a Master Yi with both Hail Of Blades and Lethal Tempo"
I actually screamed out loud
FEAR! >:)
@@VarsVerum I do like the two rune idea, however I feel that for balance reasons it would be better to give the player two random runes to choose one from
@@farlon6635 Yet having to chose "removes" you from play briefly, making you vulnerable to any and all damage or CC. Which is even less desirable than the current version of it. I've played quite a few games with Omnistone Udyr and it's a real blast, but RNG can be a cruel maiden as well XD
Imagine getting Hail of Blades and Press-The-Attack in an early game trade.
Id put omnistone in its own thing where you dont get any other primary runes and only get 2 keystones you lose out on some of the really good combinations of lower tier runes but you get access to incredibly powerful kwystone combinations. You can still get your secondary and shards though
I think the biggest thing about omnistone is that whenever you're happy to get a certain keystone you realize you can have that keystone at all times by just picking it instead of omnistone.
To me I change my play style and try to go for the rune to keep rotating, that's the fun in it, I don't think it's useful at all in a competitive context really :/ feels for fun more than anything
"Hear me out. Of course you could get that electrocute that synergies perfectly with your playstyle, but you can also get omnistone, which could turn into anything, even electrocute!"
@@mariostoynov the issue is for example is you play TF mid with omnistone and you got a guardian instead of a damage rune like electrocute or arcane comet, you might not have been able to kill the enemy. And if you took electrocute instead, you kill the enemy in a mid game team fight and snowballed your team to win. Onmistone is just too inconsistent when the game focuses so much on getting kills and kill pressure.
@@joshc.8489
I agree, my comment was a variation on a common meme, therefore the quotation marks.
@@joshc.8489 Maybe making it so it only rotates between keystones of your secondary rune could reduce the rng? IDK
Vars: "There isn't a champion who can effectively utilise at least half of the runes"
Teemo: *laughs in summon aery, arcane comet, phase rush, grasp of the undying, hail of blades, dark harvest, electrocute, pta, fleet footwork, lethal tempo and glacial augment*
Before you ask, here's how he utilizes every of those runes:
> Summon aery: one of the main runes. Can be activated by his poison, can't miss unlike arcane comet, is a good source of lane poke for him
> Arcane comet: can miss and has a higher cd, but the higher damage along with an area makes it quite useful in teamfights. Also, it's easier to proc via mushrooms, since they have a slow.
> Phase rush, fleet footwork, glacial augment: Teemo is quite immobile, so these runes help him kite enemies. Phase rush is actually picked against Nasus since it mitigates his slow, and glacial augment can picked against some champions like Darius, who don't have any dashes but still can catch up with him (Ghost + E in Darius' case).
> Grasp of the undying: another one of his main runes. Gives a lot of sustain and poke in lane alongside the bonus health which will make you a bit harder to kill. Teemo can keep it stacked via his poison which makes it easier for him to proc it.
> Hail of blades, lethal tempo: while not as useful as other runes, they aren't useless at all, since Teemo's E has an on-hit part, which makes attack speed a useful stat for him.
> Dark harvest: scales well, easy to proc with the poison, while also making your shroomies as scary as possible.
> Electrocute: is pretty good for early game short trades, while still providing some burst out of it. This rune is especially useful against ranged matchups, that have equal or higher range, than you do.
> PTA: one of the main runes. Is especially useful to shred through tanks, since activating it will also increase damage from your poison and liandry (which you should be building into tanks).
Twisted fate joins the party
@@3rpi3r44 Bard too, I guess
@@anemon6945 lucian and sett can too lol
@@biggiecheese2004 Not nearly as much as these 3 tho.
I think it would be interesting if they added a mechanic to omnistone where it gets better as you use it. So, whenever you successfully use a random keystone, you get one stack, and that permanently improves all future keystones you get, sort of like what they have for dark harvest, but applying it to everything. Of course, each rune would need different rules on what gives you the stack, for electrocute or grasp it might just be to use it, while HOB or tempo might require you to make 2-3 autos while using it, and conqueror would need you to get 6 stacks to get the onmistone stack. I feel like this would reward you even more for using what you were given, since you are improving all further uses of it. I think this would help because it would allow people who are good with omnistone to stack up fast to get really strong keystones late game.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Relying on actually getting Dark Harvest and then being able to proc it whenever the whims of Omnistone dictate is what makes it unusable - it's just too much RNG, and since you're trading consistency by taking Omnistone in the first place, you may very well struggle to ever even be in a position where Dark Harvest is usable. You need to be able to power up your runes over the course of the game through using any of them, not just DH.
What if every time you get a stack you are more likely to get that same rune in the future
@@augustmylin1318 I don't think that's a good idea, because some runes are easier to use than others. Imagine you're a Zed, you engage with Aery, you easily use it and now you'll have more and more Aery, a less powerful runes than others ! Having more chance of getting runes you landed isn't a good idea imo
@@katimoa you prob wouldnt pick it on zed tho but Imagine like Camille
thats how it works actually sadly no one knows it, each dark stack you get with omnistone makes all future runes stronger but its so niche and luck based
I was actually a fan of Omnistone. The thing is though it could have been a great keystone but for that to be possible, Riot would need to put a lot of resources into it. They needed to to create a system which adapts to your role, situations and general needs. And given how much Riot struggles already to have a stable code for anything, it is just impossible for this keystone to be strong without taking financial risks.
"And given how much Riot struggles already to have a stable code for anything" is a depressingly funny statement. Even the basics like Zac running mach 10 through walls and Illaoi just standing still as a tentacle erupts from her head have gone unpatched for ages.
@@amaterasu3325 this illaoi bug is SMT I literally hate bro no joke
@@amaterasu3325 Daisy having spaghetti for code... maiden having an AI less competent than a minion... speaking of which I had one get stuck on a turret unable to move for 5-10 minutes until a wave eventually came close enough for its balls to finally drop.
@@draketurtle4169 Yeah...I used to be an Ivern man. The thing which turned me off is how none intellegent the AI was.
@@amaterasu3325 wait zac running in the air during his E is a bug?
I've noticed that the inspiration runes are the most niche. I rarely ever see anyone running it as their keystone, with only senna with glacial, and nasus and twisted fate with unsealed spellbook. You also rarely see inspiration runes that aren't biscuits, time warp tonic, approach velocity, or magical footwear. Hells, I don't even know what a lot of the inspiration runes do
It’s a lot of to be with the nature of the tree, this is the “utility” tree so it’s harder to measure the right value of the items, even spell book is like a baseline for what a keystone should provide, but it does not offer much of a play style, as the other keystones do
Unsealed Spellbook used to be absolutely broken a few season ago when it gave summoner spell CD. Nowadays, only supports like it because it gives them access to smite, exhaust, ignite, and barrier.
Time Warp Tonic is actually kinda broken on Singed when you take it, biscuit delivery, and corrupting pot. Singed Ult counts as a pot so he gets the extra MS, not to mention biscuits and corrupting also make use of the rune. All together they give you a very nice early game advantage.
Approach velocity is nice on some supports and tanks because it gives MS towards CCed enemy and friendly champions.
Magical footwear is actually one of my favorite runes in ARAM. Magical Footwear + Futures Market is actually pretty good in ARAM due to the shop not being accessible until you die. Sometimes you run into situations when your behind and you only need 200 gold to finish you mythic but you wouldn’t have it under normal circumstances, and waiting in spawn for an item in ARAM is a really bad idea for long periods of time(unless the rest of you team is down as well and there’s 4 enemies pushing).
Magical footwear basically gives you 300 gold for free. The bonus MS on it is meh, what I really care about is the gold it gives. And like I said, in ARAM shopping is limited. So having boots automatically given to you outside the shop is nice.
@@mq5731 For Singed, from the Time Warp Tonic page on LoL wiki;
"Until patch V8.13, Singed OriginalSquare.png Singed's Insanity Potion.png Insanity Potion granted the bonus movement speed of Time Warp Tonic, without increasing its duration (Time Warp Tonic increased the duration of potions back then)."
@@somerandomgamer8504 Wow thanks Riot...Guess ill throw that one in the bin with the Ryze Ult + Zhonyas Combo they killed
Bard is excellent with unsealed too, the steal potential is amazing
future market is literally the most overpowered thing ever on ornn
Ah yes any% bramble vesp speedrun
On most farming junglers since a full clear plus scuddle gives u about 900 gold and since most epic items cost about 1100 it can almost always get u the item giving you a huge advantage early game and consistency late game
And Malzahar
With the removal of GLP in S11 i feel like glacial augment is useless on anyone but senna now. Also all the recent videos are great and I'm sure this one will be too :)
Sion uses it sometimes
When good Yorick play on Range champion, he take Glacial and build StrideBraker
Wrong any offtank or support can use it with the right mythic item ( theres only like 2 of them that provides a slow
Psst, don't tell anyone, but... Stridebreaker procs it
@@flytelp most AD sion players moved on to phase rush as an alternative like Thebausffs
Maybe making Omnistone function a bit like Unsealed Spellbook, what I mean by that is giving the player an option to pick out a certain runes when in their base.
For example a Darius can pick at the fountain phase rush, conqueror, predator, dark harvest and hail of blades, these runes would randomly alternate between each other, thus keeping the sense of randomness while stopping undesired runes from being given.
Of course this seems a bit broken seeing as a player can just pick out only the runes that will benefit them, so it could be compensated by making the runes way weaker early on or by giving them a large cooldown so that after activating a rune there would be a long period where the character would have no keystone.
At least that's my take on the matter feel free to give me feedback
How about they make you pick an arbitrary number and you need all categories in the pool, so you end up with lots of utility while not getting the specific runes you want.
Future Market is super underrated imo. It's so good especially if you're a support. It pretty much headstart your items. Though the gold debt in early game is kinda low, it's enough to buy you a control ward or two which is good for establishing solid and aggressive vision control early on. Furthermore, the debt it gives you in mid to late game is reasonable since support items are naturally cheaper compared to the other ones.
Yeah me too. I always used future market, I always love the fact that I can buy items even more early given the game is always about who finish his/her item first to be at their specific powerspike, plus the game doesn't reduced your gold even if you die which is perfect for place to bought items early which is critical given I played a lot of early game champs.
Also I did some math and the gold "debt" doesn't even matter. Like, sure, you buy an item and your balance is -250 but it doesn't matter as the next item is also 250 gold cheaper as the first one was.
Future Market just gives you a discount on every single item in the game that just gets bigger as the game goes on (to the cap of, I think, 350).
And you only need to get 1 or 2 items ahead of time for the rune to be worth as you get your power spike earlier and you can snowball from there. Hugely underrated rune.
I legit always run it on Ivern, the faster I can get my support items, the better, especially when against jgs who steal my camps
i agree, its great on supps, like if you also go with the free boots, thats another free 300 gold. most of the time you can get corrupting and a tear on your first back, so you can start stacking it right away. you dont have to worry about getting biscuits or rushing lost chapter for the mana cause the mana from corrupting is enough to agressively poke early, and your already stacking tear on your first back. not to mention that you wont have to worry about boots so you can quickly get tier 2 boots because you already have the tier 1 and future market taking away like 200 of the cost away. and if your rushing lucidicy thats already cheap its just so good. and you probably still have gold to spare on control wards. and you can even be a prick and skip your tier 2 boots just to rush the stop watch to save your ass if your getting ganked
I used futures market in the jungle because I'd go back after 1st clear of whole jungle which is around 1000 gold and futures market helped me have 1200 at that point for a Tiamat. It's definitely not a bad rune, nor were any he named imo.
Personally i think 99% community dont know how "Prototype: Omnistone" really work. But I know becouse, very often i read LoL Fandom :P
Doesnt rlly tie into ur comment but omnistone teemo is hella fun/kinda good
I tried doing omnistone for sett support its really nice when you roam and you get predator so you can gank another lane or to get back to lane faster
How does it work then?
I love onmistone whenever I'm not tryharding
@@123hattan There’s a lot of weird specifics to omnistone but I’ll try and be brief.
You get a random keystone. If you don’t use the keystone within 40 seconds, you lose it and gain a new one. You also get a new keystone when you go back to fountain. If you successfully activate the keystone, there’s a much shorter cooldown until the game gives you the next one (5 - 3 seconds based on level for melee champs, 9 - 7 seconds for ranged ones).Keystones are given semi-randomly, with increased odds to give you keystones useful to the current situation (eg: if you’re far from enemies and out of combat, you’re more likely to roll predator). Once you get a keystone, it’s removed from the potential pool for the next 5 rolls.
In regards to what keystones you can get, Unsealed Spellbook and Guardian are never part of the pool, you only get Aftershock if/when your champion learns a basic ability that can proc it, and you can’t get Predator until you buy boots. Of specific note is Dark Harvest, as DH stacks will buff your other keystones as well.
The playstyle, then, is to proc your keystones as soon as you can after getting them, so you can abuse the shorter effective cooldown this gives the runes usually balanced around their long cool down between uses. This is especially true of Dark Harvest since it buffs everything else.
Oh I miss the days where you could run Kleptomancy on Sona. Good times... good times
F for this, this was the only reason I played her so often was because of klepto Sona.
Are you talking about old seraphine ?
I ran it on Ezreal like all the time before they removed it.
as a mundo main futures market makes me win games just by out iteming my enemies
Futures is so useful for literally all junglers, I don't know what he meant xD
and minion demat is super handy on mages you need to one shot casters w/ 1 ability
@@herohalv4543 yeah like twisted fate still uses it
@@frangkiskosmelanitis6904 wdym for literally all junglers no one in their right fucking mind would use that rune right now, you used it to cheat a faster tiamat for champions that needed it for their clear. Tiamat is dead and most of the champs got compensated for it. Theres no reason to use it anymore for junglers
Futures is sleeper op on mages, cheater recall for early lost chapter. I’d be willing to bet that most champions with an early waveclear advantage and big early spikes can use future’s market well.
They should change Omni-stone to function more like Unsealed Spell Book but instead of allowing you to swap summoners it would allow you to swap Keystone Runes. Maybe a 2-3 minute cooldown between swapping or something of the sort. After use of one it allows you to select a new one immediately though.
wouldn't that be too op tho,imagine u have electrocute and there's a half hp enemy ,you use your spells then immediately switch to dark harvest or something to get the kill,lol idk
@@hypedpika8295 Could have a 5 second cooldown between them or something
This is actually a good suggestion, as it would give some planning and utility to the rune. We can compare what would happen if the roles were reversed and Unsealed Spellbook was made random instead of giving you the option to choose: It would be easy to get spells that you don't really need, making you play as if you held no keystone.
Being able to change the runes on the fly with internal cooldowns would help a lot to prepare for teamfights. And that is one of the biggest strengths of US.
should buff gathering storm because like vars says, the game is getting faster
Or make the game slower.
@@zandromex8985 I don't mind really the game being fast, it's easier to climb if you are good
If they reworked to give you bonuses every 5 minutes instead of 10 it would be a pretty good rune for mid-game champions.
@@dzigayu4944 if I'm not wrong, they're already doing that in aram and it doesn't seem to be that unbalanced so it could be possible
@@idkidc7513 problem
People can start stalling
I just wanna play with Kleptomancy again :(
rip
what did it do
@@HassanKhan-wq3tk used to offer extra gold and a consumable items when you proc it. It was great , ezreal was one of the champs that benefited tremendously
i miss using it on kennen
I mained GP with it but dropped him when it was removed. GP is still fun and strong though but still difficult.
The music sounds like Maple Story and it brought waves of nostalgia. 😭
Omnistone bard is actually good because he can use every rune
I don't see the benefits of Conqueror Bard but I have to agree on every other keystone.
Can't use any rune*
@@frozi3193 so you see
League is broken and
Every time bard attacks with a meep he gets 3 stacks
1 for his attack and 2 for the meep cause the meep counts as a melee champion
So yeah he can stack it pretty fast, only reason why it’s decent
Same for how kindred’s wolf counts as a melee so lamb gives 1 stack and wolf gives 2
And yes I know this cause I main them
@@digitaldescent7303 geez, that's pretty bullshit. Gotta try it when I give Bard a second chance.
@@frozi3193 yes that’s why I went conq bard top and didn’t get fucked instantly
Overall one of the worst runes on him but if built for it it can work
That MapleStory soundtrack always hits different
The perion soundtrack...damn, i remember how this soundtrack would make me chill while I was a kid exploring perion. Maple will be missed
The magatia soundtrack almost made me cRY
Now that was a pleasant surprise
@@danieltomitch7048 Maple is still around. You can still download and play it, I do to this day. I mean I followed vars since his channel was Jinli and it was a Maple channel
holy shit yes!
Holy shit I actually forgot about omnistone I thought they removed it in season 11
I used to use it on bard to but I switched to hail
Honestly for bard I swear it doesn’t matter what runes you have you just have to do bard things
@@pike7915 you got that fucking right, i like going electrocute for the nice early game boom boom ness since I know I'll scale regardless
@@jesusguzman1300 i go for the funny spell book, aatrox fed backing? guess im tping so he dosnt lose his turret!
What if Omnistone was replace with something that allowed you to pick a couple more non-keystone runes in each tree? You'd be able to do things like take both triumph and overheal but at the cost of a keystone essentially. It fits the theme of the inspiration tree too, being a think-outside-the-box type of rune.
He did it he actually made the Pot of greed joke my man look at you go
I feel like omnistone should double down on all the "ALL runes thing" and let you pick minor runes from every tree. Like every row you picked Precision, Domination, etc and it acted like the secondary runes but it applied to all 3 of the regular row but you could mix them too.
that'd be actually pretty fucking sick, honestly, the potential would be amazing
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Good Video BTW Vars keep up the great work!
Why no one plays veigar?
Long answer: WNOP Veigar
Short answer: because the assassin role exists
Okay I'm gonna make a bunch of short jokes now :)
@@icigs3964 ‘ “short” answer’
But like, a shit ton of people play Veigar?
@@icigs3964 is that a short joke :(
Y'know, I KNEW I SUBBED TO THIS CHANNEL FOR A GREAT REASON! That YGO joke was everything to me man.
It wasn't a joke, I literally have no idea what Pot of Greed does! D:
@@VarsVerum IT LETS ME DRAW TWO MORE CARDS FROM MY DECK
I admit I could be like one of the four people that actually use omnistone (for example on kayle or yorick, yes I'm an absolute heathen I know) but I thought ghost poro was used regularly at least in Korea?
No Koreans always go for eyeball collection, poro is actually more used in NA from what I've seen
@@jonathank9697it was my fav when I still play with red type keystone abusers
In a high elo game zombie ward is generally better cause wards won't be expiring naturally too much since people get pinks and sweepers. zombie actively helps when fighting over obj vision. In a game where your wards aren't getting hunted, ghost poro is hella better for solo carrying vision
@@frankanderson3368 exactly getting a ward (even if slightly worse) for denying a ward is great. It’s putting them at a disadvantage and essentially giving you that vision.
Great video, I really enjoy the series. Just want to point out that omnistone is actually used, on rare occasions in competitive play, even in world's last year, on champions like jax or sion vs ranged match ups where grasp is useless. For instance odo (rge toplaner) used it today on sion vs urgot,it seemed bad to me but he knows better propably.
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Just a correction for the video, at 3:28 (and further with the 2 keystones “theoretical” proposal) you say you can only use one keystone at a time. You can very well have two keystones at once with Omnistone, so long as you have an extended fight. (I regularly use it)
It may sound funny but both prototype omnistone and gathering storm is my go to rune as ad shaco top lane
Makes sense bro... It's my go to as Cho jg too
@@frangkiskosmelanitis6904 have you tried it top? Its so fun aswell, or sion toplane since he can benefit from AS thanks to titanic
@@joekenwood4956 I'm planing on it
I take gathering storm pretty often on champs that have good AP/AD scaling, champs like Fiora, KhaZix, Kayn, Evelynn and Lux. For a Champ like KhaZix, 50 AD means almost 150 extra damage on isolated Qs. It’s basically a garantuee for your lategame, rather than relying on it
@@frangkiskosmelanitis6904 cho can use any rune so it is decent on him the worst is aery and still it isn't that bad bcs you are right on top of them when fighting it can proc a lot
When the maplestory music started, i knew this was going to be a great video.
In one of the devblogs they said the main issue with omnistone is that when you take it, it feels like you are playing the rune not the champion. I agree with this, since I honestly think there are some champions that use it well, like mundo and ekko. Riot August said in one of is streams that in order for people to actually start taking omnistone they would need to make it op in order for people to not have the current stigma against it
If someone talks about forgotten stuff, people will start using it again.
-LoL Community, probably
The miniature has 3 of my 5 favorites runes : ghost poro, gathering storm and future's market.
as Mundo, you can use like 3 keystones in a single fight
Wooo man, this video is just TOO good, it explains the runes situation better than any other.
Also I was wondering, maybe you can make a video analyzing the midlane situation (mages vs assassins and all that stuff) because all of your midlane WNOP videos until now are about mages, just an idea.
Thanks, awesome video as always.
Hey! That was my suggestion :)) Love the vid vars!
Thanks for the idea!
7:44 I believe Kha'Zix can reliably use 7/17 runes in the game which is near half. He can use Conqueror (Bruiser Kha'Zix), Electrocute, Dark Harvest, Hail of Blades, Arcane Comet (Kha'Zix Mid/Top), Phase Rush and the recently added First Strike. All are very viable on him.
I honestly feel like kleptomancy should be re-added, Even if they remove the gold generation it would still be a way more interesting rune then OmniStone.
As an ex main nasus/illaoi i can confirm. Or limit the gold gain to just 10/20/30 gold instead of 50-300 because that shit was open as fuck. You can play a poke champ and randomly get one kill of gold
They should make on ranged champion only 1 stack.Why da fuq it didn't have any restriction like conqueror/botrk on range champions ? Illaoi clone shouldn't count as champion for this rune.
@@micha8701 that would kinda ruin Illaoi tbh.
Her entire schtick is that when she grabs you it translates as you.
@@thesun5275 so worst case scenario is that she'll stay the same?
Most people aren't knowledgeable to even use Future's Market. In actuallity the only thing you need to worry about is not hitting true debt, which is basically when the extra fee of 50 gold out weighs the value of gold the rune would give you. This is simply from a perspective of value, and making sure it doesn't backfire.
For example 150 means you can hit debt 3 times and not worry about a thing. As the game progresses every 10 minutes you can go into debt again and not worry about the debt being more than the value given by the rune. This is actually really good for champs who NEED a specific powerspike to not be in a terrible position like Tiamat users, or Bami users in the jungle who lack waveclear. It also allows early powerspikes which should (if played properly) allow you to snowball a lead where you couldn't before. The key here being that the player knows what to do, which is often the case not in a regular solo Q game of league.
man i was wondering what the hell that rune was yesterday, thankfully vars is a mind reader and can answer all of my questions within 24 hrs
Quick info: Ghost Poro also gives a stack, when the summoned Poro spots an enemy. So if you are lucky/place them good, it only takes 5 wards.
You can even do a little cheese. At the start of the game, you place a ward in the middle of your lane.
Since wards only last 90 seconds at level 1, it will expire at the beginning of laning-phase. And there is a big chance, that the enemy will scare the poro right away, sinceit is in the middle of the lane.
So thats 2 free stacks in the first 2 minutes.
I wanna try that, but would feel like warding a lane bush would be preferable since the enemy is still very likely to get spotted by it and you get infinite more value by setting up possible TP plays and preventing Cheesy plays from bushes.
This is an interesting cheese for supports. I wanna try it
Future market didnt give you money, it makes that everything you buy with the debt cost extra 50 gold, thats why no one plays it, if they remove the extra cost it could be a interesting rune to super early champs.
Omnistone could be playable if dark harvest charges could be farmed independently of the rune you actually have active; not dealing the damage of DH, just getting the stack.
No, it does give you money for a loan like he states. You can buy at the start of it an extra 150 gold in shop, for being put back 50 gold. For say pantheon, if he backed and was able to say get a serrated dirk in lane early due to the keystone instead of needing to wait minions or back without the gold due to a trade, that -50 gold he gets is minimal as he will certainly gain enough gold back in either minion advantage or kills due to getting such a good item early due to the rune.
Same thing applies to everyone taking it. It gives you more gold in shop scaling over time to use. With the exception of also having to be 50 less gold after leaving to fountain to pay it back, which honestly isn't a lot. Its just that it gives you so little to spend extra it really isn't worth taking
@@themuffinprincesa21 Dude, a loan isn't giving you money, is just that he allows you to buy the things a little before you have all the money but you must pay the whole price for the items, as an example: you have 300 gold and want to buy a doran sword (450) the rune allows you to buy and your money becomes -150, when you get out of the shop It becomes -200, until you pay the debt and return to positive money you cant buy anything so as a result you have paid 500 gold for a 450 gold item.
Also, you have to return the loan before buying your Next item, so the rune only gives you a little time advantage in your first back, for the next back you will have to paid (the items you want)- (the next loan) + (the debt of the last buy) so you Will need to collect even more money than before making you losing the initial advantage and letting you in a incremental disadvantage
An example: you buy BF sword to build Infinity Edge, you return with 1150 yo the shop and buy It, you get a debt of -150 gold for the item and -50 extra for the rune, so you have -200 gold, your Next purchase is the pickaxe for the IE, (875) you need first to return the debt and next you collect money for the pickaxe, so if the rune allows you to pay the pickaxe when you have 675 for example, you need anyways 875 because you have to paid first the previous load, you do this purchase, take your pickaxe for 675 and get a debt of 200+50, next you want the cloak of agility (600), you buy It for 375 because of the loads, but as you have a debt of 250 you Will need to collect 625 gold to reach the 375 and buy it, this is the main problem of this rune, in the second back it gives you none advantage and in the next backs is an incremental handicap
@@icigs3964 Don't forget the original 150-50 gold you get, as long as you're calculating with the debt cap as your 0.
With just 3 debt buys this rune has nullified most of the advantage you got at 2 minutes. (Other than saving time) After that it's only one debt per 20 minutes or you'll be in the negative with this rune.
There's two ways to fix this:
One, lower the extra debt down from 50 to something more reasonable.
Two, increase the debt floor per minute.
Yes finally! I love this! Nerding out about runes is like half the reason why i still play this game
Great series idea , keep it up
Just a recommendation. If you want to make a video "why no one buy" these items, Stirring wardstone and Vigilant wardstone should be in the video, because I never see that someone buy these items for supports and I even only used once.
I use it whenever i play support cuz getting vision is so important
If I had to guess, its opportunity cost and how long it takes to get up and going. It requires level 13 to even buy which is already a huge thing against it. It doesn't give you any stats starting out outside more wards and you need to place 20 which basically limits it to supports. Supports who are already low gold income can either spend 1100 on SWS and then another few minutes to charge it up and then spend more money on it to upgrade it for some ability haste. Or they could spend the money and item slot on something like Locket, Redemption, Censer, Zekes or anything else that's objectively more useful in combat.
The main issue is that supports need to reach level 13 and given how fast the games are getting AND the split XP gain in bot lane... It actually provides pretty good AH for how cost-efficient it is, but only champs that scale well with AH buy it (like karma imo).
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I think, as a support player, there is just no reason for the item to be brought. It's not about stats or anything. It's the goal of the item. It's point is to not have supports feel bad leaving one item slot empty for control wards. Problem is, we have 3/4 item slots empty >75% of the games and probably 2+ item slots empty 95% of the games. It's like buying a Mejai Soulstealer while power farming in the jungle until 30 minutes. There's no point. If we need a control ward, we just buy it. There's no reason to commit 3k to an item that is the same as an unused item slot anyways. The slot is already there.
Oh and you know what? You want 40 AH and ~10% ms in an item? There's cosmic drive. Same cost roughly. MS boost might be closer to like 5-7% ms boost BUT you get HP and AP. It's more consistent >90% of the time.
It's even more hilarious as an item for tank/engage supports. They go in, they want to survive. Cutting their HP/Armor/MR for AH is kinda useless. They want to steadily go in and dip when they killed the caught person, not go in and spam things and HOPE to not die.
The only thing you might slightly miss out is 1 extra ward out and 1 extra control ward out. Given that sometimes people don't even look at wards that they put down, the importance is lowered cause you are just playing RNG like omnistone does. You HOPE they would use YOUR item efficiently. Too risky.
Really only makes sense as 6th item. A luxury supports haven't had....ever.
"A Master Yi with Hail of blades and Lethal Tempo"
me: Take it out behind the barn, and SHOOT IT!
how he will just meditate to negate the first shot and alpha strike to dodge the second and then your the one thats dead
Minion dematerialazer could give stat bonuses based on the type of minion you dematerialize, casters give you small adaptive force bonus, meles give you resistances, and siege minions bonus dmg to towers.
A well-explained video AND MAPLESTORY THEME SONGS?? VARS I LOVE YOU
I think its funny that klepto is possibly the single most controversial thing in all of league, even more so than many champions.
I’ve never seen someone have a neutral opinion on it. Half the community loved it but the other half absolutely hated it.
(Btw i loved klepto Riot pls bring it back)
Worst problem with klepto was that wrong champions used it for wrong situations.
It should be used to help scalling champions get their items/gold faster. Or when you have no way to do much in lane klepto would be your way to survive.
In the end it should be a CHOICE to pick up this rune not a MUST.
Sadly it ended up as ranged vs melee domination tool.
@@asz-themoonwalker2771 As opposed to now where GP HAS to take Grasp and people hate him even more for it. As a GP player, we'd love to have another rune to run on him, but Riot took it away.
"There's almost no champion in league who can tactically weaponize half let alone all runes"
Me, a neeko main:
not to mention that when you sell biscuits, you still get the bonus Mana on top of the bonus gold. it's just so damn good to have
6:30 omg the Magatia bgm just hit me in the face i love it aaaaaa
I start playing this game! I wish someday my Jinx will recognized..thanks.. 💓 have a great day ahead everyone!
Welcome to League of Legends! :D
Well jinx is now OP tier in game
"You cant trust randomness in a competitive game"
Meanwhile in CS:GO
Damn Hearthstone
Kuddos on using the MapleStory Soundtrack for background music particularly Perion's theme. Nice touch.
NVM the "particular" all of them were MS songs lmao
YESSSSSSSS Ive been waiting for this
There is not a rune that is way more op than the others:
I mean thundelords existed
Yeah every season one appears. I Remember that back in the day if you champ had CC that meant you HAD TO RUN courage of the colosus.
“Gathering storm is useless”
Me, an Ekko main, “Are you sure about that?”
Being in Sorcery instead of Inspiration secondary is already questionable, but going for Gathering Storm over Manaflow or Water Walking seems bad to me.
@@endlessrain6992 Elmo doesn’t need mana flow he needs scaling
@@endlessrain6992 however for bad lanes he can take inspiration
@@endlessrain6992 what a total bs storm is best scaling rune in the game
@@cvsg7598 It does nothing for the first ten minutes, it's 8 AP for the next ten, and then it's 24 AP for the last 5-ish minutes of the average game. That's not bad or anything but at 3+ items you already do insane damage. Better to have a rune that helps you get to that point imo.
The 30+ minute benefits of Gathering Storm are irrelevant because if you play a 45 minute game as Ekko you will oneshot everything smaller than a tank with or without that extra 67 AP (counting dcap).
"on a champion like Ahri, you're not gonna get much out of lethal tempo"
oh you sweet summer child
didn't get the notification for this but ayyy this was my idea :)))))))))) its really nice to know that you listen to the community
I didn;t even know Prototype: Omnistone was a thing until now
I thought it was removed in S11 lmao. Almost no one ever uses it.
@@Martin-yh7vi only my friend does smh
He runs it on alistar every time
7:50 No champion can use all of the runes in the game - Jayce Mains - observe
HA!
If the other trees weren't so shit, Jax would be the sole user of Omni in terms of efficiency.
Saw your vid pop up on my recommended and had to click because the thumbnail really caught my eye whoever makes them for you deserves more credit! Very informative video otherwise :)
My childhood friend Jake has been doing all my graphics for the past 6 years! I could never have gotten this far without him making all my videos have pretty thumbnails :3
A neat way to do Omnistone would be that when you pick it
your get 5 secondary rune slots are replaced
to let you choose one rune of each tree.
The selected runes form your pool of rotating keystones.
(tweak the cooldown on rune change for balance).
Kleptomancy was one of the runes that made the game fresh, they instantly removed another fun aspect of the game.
Gp spamming q on garden and getting kills worth of gold is fresh ?
Omnistone should just be deleted. It's a waste of a keystone slot and a trap for inexperienced players.
I love minion dematerializer so much. Future's market and Biscuit Delivery have definitely saved me in a few games.
If you, when choosing Omnistone, could pick 1 keystone from each tree to cycle between(except Dark Harvest which would always be in rotation), I feel like that wouldn't be too op, while still being Omnistone.
Everyone using it would always rotate between keystones they KNOW they will have a use for
Rework Idea;
When omnistone is equiped, you receive optional quests based on secondary runes that were picked.
When said quest is completed, you receive a +1 to a randomly selected stat.
If close to an ally (within 1000 units) you gain access to their quests. If those quests are fullfilled, ally receives that bonus as long as he is within 1000 units away from you.
Each quest has its own CD, based on how hard it is to finish.
Example; If you had a quest "Vitality" from the Resolve tree (you have chosen the secondary rune "Revitalize, Overgrowth or Unflinching", you can gain +1 to max health, health regen or +1% to all healing for completing said quest (randomness would be determined by how powerful said increase is and how many times said increase was received)
If there was an ally with "Malice" from the Domination tree, you could provide him with +1 to AD, armor penetration or lethality.
I feel those numbers might need buffed up if you want it on anything except supports
@@dicorockhimself There are things, that should be determined by testing...
After all, I did not say anything about those "quest CDs"...
Lets say I am a Darius and can have two quests to give me bonus AD every 20 and 30 seconds.
That could translate into a free B.F.Sword worth of bonus AD every 8 minutes...
Futures market is great on junglers like eve as having the free boots and futures market means that u will be able to get a early dark seal that you could not normaly get that early, and compleating any of eves items are such huge powerspikes
I still wish they made it so at the beginning of the game you can just choose like 4 runes + dark harvest so if your playing a mage you don’t have to get conquer or something. Could’ve been a fun idea for some flex champions
omnistone increases in the chance to give you the desired rune based on enemies around you, if you have boots and most of the time if you can procc these runes.You can also get two runes active at the same time like lethal tempo hob-conq -aftershock -phase rush
The maplestory Perion music surprised me. Got a nice nostalgia hit.
Anyone remember when you could build full AP pantheon in URF, and take negative death timer runes, letting you ult the enemy base, kill them, and then respawn fast enough to teleport near their base and time your ult to hit the person with another ult as soon as they respawned, essentially locking them out of the game.
no, since i wasnt there, but sounds funny
I'm so happy when I'm playing Qiyana and it's an ocean soul. You can get grass and water element in more places. My favorite thing is the fact that I can get water element at raptor spot.
Minion dematerializer is still used on some mage mid laners, like Zoe or LeBlanc, to help with general waveclearing, and works pretty well on them too.
maybe have omnistone be like the unbound spellbook where you can chose from the pool of summoners or in this case keystones but once you've used it you have to cycle through the others to get a given option back.
Omnistone is super fun early game in the laning phase on versatile characters like Ezreal-it's a lot of fun making people deal with every single keystone-but once teamfights and rotations break out it's impossible to make use of every rune and it becomes more of a hinderance than anything.
I had no idea about the dark harvest stacks with the other runes. I just might use omnistone a lot more now!
Ghost Poro was awesome when it was counter jungle rune, giving you bonuses while you're in the enemy side of the map.
Love the maplestory music btw and the video too 👍
Maplestory bgm goes well with any video xD
The maplestory music is a surprise to be sure but a welcome one
Did I hear Maplestory's Perion theme?! You, good sir, have made my day.
I was looking for this comment. Would have typed it myself if I didn't find it.
I remember when Sett support was able to somewhat use Omnistone but now uses only phase rush & aftershock. I never liked Omnistone because it felt too inconsistent to use and I think I learned why this video exists. I'm an idiot lmao.
There used to be a bug with omnistone where if you had predator and activated it, took agro then lost it, you were able to recast predator and cycle through the keystones. For example, you could have predator and arcane comet or electrocute. And because you can cycle through it by repeatedly activating omnistone predator, you get to essentially choose which 2nd keystone you want in addition to predator.
I think Riot fixed this, but I've been trying to figure out how to recreate this.
Loved the video! I personally love using omnistone on Neeko against melee assasinns. But that’s the only time I’ll use it lol
I really like this idea!
Minion Dematerializer is a very contested rune for midlane mages, as it allows them to clear out caster creeps in one ability rotation quicker.
lol the BGMs form maplestory such a nostalgic vibe
HOLY crap it HAS been 3 years... It feels like yesterday when we had everyone run thunderlord meta
seeing that old masteries is filling me with memories
ghost poro is actually really strong on fiddle, since his wards count as "expiring" when they are discovered and allowed to fully run away, i believe
I always do a thing to see if Omnistone can be used on whatever champ I'm gonna play. First, I sort out all runes between useful or useless for my champ, then I sort out how many of the useless runes can be easily triggered. Then, if "useful runes" > "useless runes", and "easily triggered runes" > "useless runes", Omnistone can be used on that champ. Like, I use Omnistone on Quinn. Quinn has 8 useful runes - PtA, Lethal Tempo, Footwork, Electrocute, Predator, Harvest, HoB and Phase Rush - and out of the 6 useless ones, 5 can be easily triggered - Aery, Comet, Grasp, Aftershock and Glacial Augment. It feels nice to have this many options during early to mid game and it really shapes the way you play the character, since you have to get the most out of your current rune. That being said, late game is the worst bc you can't really go changing playstyles when everyone else has shaped theirs to the game state.
As a support, I love Future's Market and Ghost Poro. The first lets me actually by a proper item with the few gold I have and the second lets my early game wards stay around for a bit longer, which I really like.
Hey vars can you make a what makes a good designed item?
Just like the champion one?
I used to see rengar take Future's Market. It allowed him to get his tiamat after a full clear, which was pretty important for him.
Omnistone varus is a nice change from my usual runes. Fun too.