So glad yall talked about the logical fallacy of these players making more in college than professional. It’s a poor argument that hasn’t been thought through very well. Bravo.
18:26 This is the point of the convo when Paige realized she might have made a mistake not turning pro in 2024. Just look at her reaction to Sue Bird's comments.
I understand the conversation. I also understand the market and revenue generation at the team level in the NBA determines what teams can pay and that the competition or Fear of Missing Out drives the massive salaries we see in the NBA. However, I think something that was missed in the conversation in the video is that a big difference talked about by "Talking Heads" is the School Support, Facilities, Health and Training, as well as a built-in Fan Base that most WNBA teams cannot or do not provide. Sue became world famous at UCONN. Then the Olympics. Then... Sue is the greatest ball handler of all time. Hell - if the media would have been paying attention, she would be the SVP of Cool Shit at Nike by now. Title 9 changed things at universities. Then the rivalries and boosters feed the machine (UCONN v TENN as an example). Supporters don't like loosing . The money comes to build programs. Now companies are sponsoring programs via NIL as a way to recruit and keep the best people. You 4 are great! Can't wait for 5/14. So excited. I have been watching Paige since she was in H.S. If health allows she will go Number 1 next April!.. BTW: Nika to Seattle - so appropriate! Be Well and do good things!
Speak on it, Paige! Nobody needs to save the WNBA. It is a league of the best women basketball players in the world. Certain players, who shall remain nameless, are trying to get where these ladies are.
@@cindy7068 Funny how you automatically assumed I was referring to Clark. Why is that? Is she the only one who has been named as needing to “save” the WNBA? Nope, she is not. My point is…the WNBA does not need saving. Does it need to expand and grow? Of course. Does it need to be saved by the young women coming out of college? Absolutely not. To suggest that is to disrespect all of the women who have laid the groundwork and have been doing this for years. If not for those women, these current college graduates would have no U.S women’s professional league in which to play. They would have to go overseas and grind it out just like their predecessors.
Foreign student athletes, are they limited in NIL because they're in the U.S. on student visas? And, if so, should they change that to work visas so that they can also profit from NIL?
Thank you, Sue, for hosting an amazingly diverse panel on a very timely hot button topic. After watching most videos on this topic I feel like I've lost several IQ points. However after having watched your group discussion I know I've gained several IQ points! Thank you! I'm still a little upset that players don't make a small percentage of their individual merch sales.
Loved this! Couple of things - get a good CPA. They are worth their weight in gold. Do not be a w2 if possible. I am an independent contractor and have my business with a s-corp. This set up saved me $50k a year in taxes. Secondly, im a huge fan of alternative assets. For me, that’s Rolex watches. You don’t lose money, you just transfer it into a timepiece, if you buy the right ones. Good luck, and thank you for this.
NBA still pay more a salary of millions and endorsement of millions and WNBA pays thousands and sometimes millions but mostly thousands no money compared to NBA
Love all of y’all on screen and plus I hate that you guys gotta have this conversation for people to understand, but nevertheless, I been watching the WNBA for the last 22 years I also I have a subscription to the WNBA league pass I’ve been watching college ball since Sheryl Swoopes days in Texas. When we had to Detroit Shock, I used to bring my daughter to the games and put her in little camps so much fun. Hate it when he left.
I'm not a man hater, but the reality is men have kept women down professionally in and out of WNBA. Now that there is more viewing eyes on WBB and now on the WNBA, cost of ads will go up which now goes into the league. It really frustrates me when I think about this. So thankful that women are coming into their own. TY for the conversation.
This is a good conversation, but we all have to be honest woman's pro basketball in the US doesn't generate enough revenue to stand on its own after 25 plus years. It's a cool game but without fans in the seats and eyes on TV it won't survive
I’ve been watching the wnba from the start I’ve had the pleasure to a few games I love supporting all athletes but especially the wnba I just love basketball
@@goldbrick2563When you hit 6 figures about 25% will go to taxes. At $200K it's about 30%. As the income goes up, the tax percentage goes up, too, unless you have tax credits/adjustments (charity contributions, children and other dependents, first time home buyer, etc.).
If no one watches the WNBA (which is the case). No one watched women’s college basketball until Caitlin Clark hit the radar. There are at least 5 millions new viewers to the college game, because of Caitlin - and these new viewers will not continue to watch the WNBA when Caitlin enters the league. Also, I have always been a big fan of sue bird because she has personality, but the fact is, the fake hair, the fake eyelashes, piercings, and tattoos are a turn off and is more like watching a circus (WNBA). The grater percentage of American parents want to expose their kids to quality potential role models opposed to the what current WNBA has to offer
So glad yall talked about the logical fallacy of these players making more in college than professional. It’s a poor argument that hasn’t been thought through very well. Bravo.
These ladies offered some very intelligent insight into NIL and the rise of women’s basketball in this current moment. Awesome discussion!
This was great even for those who are educated. Would be great for this to be out there more broadly
such a great conversation! We need MORE of these!!
Very educational. I appreciate that this is a very personal subject. Broaden our horizons ladies!
Great discussion. If the WNBA can keep gaining more & more viewership, the money will flow. Ideally, the women's game won't have to rely on just ESPN.
Was telling my mom the other day what Dawn does to the parents set up financial literacy for the players and their parents ahead of time.
18:26 This is the point of the convo when Paige realized she might have made a mistake not turning pro in 2024. Just look at her reaction to Sue Bird's comments.
I understand the conversation. I also understand the market and revenue generation at the team level in the NBA determines what teams can pay and that the competition or Fear of Missing Out drives the massive salaries we see in the NBA. However, I think something that was missed in the conversation in the video is that a big difference talked about by "Talking Heads" is the School Support, Facilities, Health and Training, as well as a built-in Fan Base that most WNBA teams cannot or do not provide. Sue became world famous at UCONN. Then the Olympics. Then... Sue is the greatest ball handler of all time. Hell - if the media would have been paying attention, she would be the SVP of Cool Shit at Nike by now. Title 9 changed things at universities. Then the rivalries and boosters feed the machine (UCONN v TENN as an example). Supporters don't like loosing . The money comes to build programs. Now companies are sponsoring programs via NIL as a way to recruit and keep the best people.
You 4 are great! Can't wait for 5/14. So excited. I have been watching Paige since she was in H.S. If health allows she will go Number 1 next April!..
BTW: Nika to Seattle - so appropriate!
Be Well and do good things!
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾excellent convo. Thank you
Speak on it, Paige! Nobody needs to save the WNBA. It is a league of the best women basketball players in the world. Certain players, who shall remain nameless, are trying to get where these ladies are.
Isn’t that the point to get to a higher level? If you meant Clark say it.
@@cindy7068 Funny how you automatically assumed I was referring to Clark. Why is that? Is she the only one who has been named as needing to “save” the WNBA? Nope, she is not.
My point is…the WNBA does not need saving. Does it need to expand and grow? Of course. Does it need to be saved by the young women coming out of college? Absolutely not. To suggest that is to disrespect all of the women who have laid the groundwork and have been doing this for years. If not for those women, these current college graduates would have no U.S women’s professional league in which to play. They would have to go overseas and grind it out just like their predecessors.
No need to be so bitter, Diana Taurasi.
Foreign student athletes, are they limited in NIL because they're in the U.S. on student visas? And, if so, should they change that to work visas so that they can also profit from NIL?
Really good conversation. Love the perspective from the different views to round out the discussion.
I learned a lot from this. Thanks.
Thank you, Sue, for hosting an amazingly diverse panel on a very timely hot button topic. After watching most videos on this topic I feel like I've lost several IQ points. However after having watched your group discussion I know I've gained several IQ points! Thank you! I'm still a little upset that players don't make a small percentage of their individual merch sales.
Learned a lot about the W, great video 🎉
A great episode love too all the ladies
Thanks Togethxr !
Loved this! Couple of things - get a good CPA. They are worth their weight in gold. Do not be a w2 if possible. I am an independent contractor and have my business with a s-corp. This set up saved me $50k a year in taxes. Secondly, im a huge fan of alternative assets. For me, that’s Rolex watches. You don’t lose money, you just transfer it into a timepiece, if you buy the right ones. Good luck, and thank you for this.
This was great.
Thank you!!! I love women basketball. You women really play the game the right way.
People would rather speculate about NIL than actually learn what it is though. Ignorance is rewarded on social media 😂
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Candace Parker DEFINITELY would have got NIL deal$$$$$$!
NBA still pay more a salary of millions and endorsement of millions and WNBA pays thousands and sometimes millions but mostly thousands no money compared to NBA
I loved this & yes we should have More conversations about this so that we as fans can get more educated.
more of these pls
Love all of y’all on screen and plus I hate that you guys gotta have this conversation for people to understand, but nevertheless, I been watching the WNBA for the last 22 years I also I have a subscription to the WNBA league pass I’ve been watching college ball since Sheryl Swoopes days in Texas. When we had to Detroit Shock, I used to bring my daughter to the games and put her in little camps so much fun. Hate it when he left.
Thanks you guys for doing this. The myths need to be dispelled for sure.
4 highly intelligent women who happen to be superior athletes having a conversation for the ages..damn this is awesome !
I'm not a man hater, but the reality is men have kept women down professionally in and out of WNBA. Now that there is more viewing eyes on WBB and now on the WNBA, cost of ads will go up which now goes into the league. It really frustrates me when I think about this. So thankful that women are coming into their own. TY for the conversation.
This is a good conversation, but we all have to be honest woman's pro basketball in the US doesn't generate enough revenue to stand on its own after 25 plus years. It's a cool game but without fans in the seats and eyes on TV it won't survive
An honest conversation amongst athletes regarding money, personal expectations and what they want? Imagine that. Great video Sue.
This was awesome! Learned some new things as someone who already has a pretty good idea about the financial aspect!
Great conversation!
A Great Conversation from different levels of experience, AWESOME!!!!!!!
I’ve been watching the wnba from the start I’ve had the pleasure to a few games I love supporting all athletes but especially the wnba I just love basketball
Great chat ladies. Love your tone and the info shared. Well done ❤
Great show
So gooood ❤
10:49 20% to the agent...nah that is way too much. 10% is plenty for the 'secretary'
And why 30% for taxes, seems high. 15% is income tax, whats the extra 15% for
@@goldbrick2563 15% income tax is when you hardly make any money. The highest wage earners pay 35% - 40% for federal income tax alone.
@@omegacon4 dang i guess i be looking fwd to paying that much
@@goldbrick2563When you hit 6 figures about 25% will go to taxes. At $200K it's about 30%. As the income goes up, the tax percentage goes up, too, unless you have tax credits/adjustments (charity contributions, children and other dependents, first time home buyer, etc.).
That's a first that women carry the sport. Give me a break
If no one watches the WNBA (which is the case). No one watched women’s college basketball until Caitlin Clark hit the radar. There are at least 5 millions new viewers to the college game, because of Caitlin - and these new viewers will not continue to watch the WNBA when Caitlin enters the league. Also, I have always been a big fan of sue bird because she has personality, but the fact is, the fake hair, the fake eyelashes, piercings, and tattoos are a turn off and is more like watching a circus (WNBA). The grater percentage of American parents want to expose their kids to quality potential role models opposed to the what current WNBA has to offer
There are so many falsehoods, contradictions and grammatical errors in this comment that it’s laughable. Get a life. 😂
@@helenoftroy1227definitely a troll
Wrong. We will still follow Caitlin. It’s just your opinion.