The Modern Age Doom Patrol
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- Following the end of the original Doom Patrol series, the team was briefly rebooted in 1977. It then received a new series in 1987. This series, which ran for 87 issues, was started by Paul Kupperberg and then handed off to Grant Morrison. Morrison would spend four years on the title, crafting a very memorable series of absurd stories in the spirit of the original 60’s team.
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I love "The Painting That Ate Paris". It's great when some Justice Leaguers show up and can't offer any help.
Because it’s too weird for them?
@@markdibuo3756 Basically
Grant Morrison's run on Doom Patrol tackles everything from LGBTQ issues to mental health issues but the main point I think Morrison was trying to convey to the reader is that reality IS weird. Not just comic book reality but our reality, what we consider to be the "real" world. Throughout Morrison's run on the series the reader is invited to question their own reality. Mr. Nobody for instance gives an example of how money can be perceived as having more or less value and so only possess the value we give it. Mr. Nobody himself obtained something very close to what the Buddhists call "enlightenment" even if he is the villain and often takes his understanding to places that harm others. He once quips that he only wants to bring humanity the understanding that reality is weird but that humanity rejects his attempts and prefers normalcy. Morrison goes so far as to create a Bureau of Normalcy who's job it is to ensure that people never see the true nature of reality. I like Grant Morrison.
Morrison's Doom Patrol is one of my top Five favorite runs in comics. It helped define Vertigo, together with Moore's Swamp Thing and Sandman.
Dont forget about vertigos preacher
I couldn’t understand why I loved Morrison’s Doom Patrol, but this video actually helps. We often try to create narratives out of our accidents and tragedies, Doom Patrol has always been about people accepting their limitations and weakness (in Morrison’s run, to comprehend reality). Thank you!
You are very welcome!
Reading the Morrison series was quite a journey that I can't really find in many comics
What about Sandman
@@mrnukes797 I've heard sandman is pretty interesting, how is it?
@@dooplon5083 amazing and for some gives a brand new perspective on life in a philosophical way
@@mrnukes797 Sounds interesting, I've been meaning to give it a read honestly
He kind of ruined it for all other writers. Which is both a compliment and complaint.
0:00 Groundwork laying
7:34 Grant Morrison years
17:32 Rachel Pollock years
I think that Morrison recognized the special weirdness of the original team. The thing that is missing in Morrison's stories is that the original team didn't acknowledge the weirdness. For Instance, when an elastic woman splits into her evil and good selves to fight each other, the team ignores how strange that is and focusses on how she switched sides. The early stories are more like Kafka's Metamorphosis, as in how, after a man turns into a bug, he has a hard time putting on his tie.
Ive never read any of these comics, but I am completely in love with the show. This video has made me appreciate it even more. They definetely took a lot of their inspiration from Grant Morrison's run.
Cyborg was never in the Doom Patrol. He doesn't belong at all. Teen Titans is where Cyborg should be.
@@thingfish000 relax
I just finished reading Morrison’s run. You did an great job explaining why this series is so excellent. Cliff Steele has become one of my favorite characters in comics!
The Doom Patrol is definitely one of my favorite DC superhero teams!
Yooo Pollack’s run was great! Not an upgrade, but a really fun, different take.
I just finished Morrison's run, and I saw there's a Pollack Doom Patrol omnibus coming out in the fall. I'm considering picking it up, but so few people ever talk about it!
@@emmetbayne2561 I had no idea about that! You just gave me the best news ever! It's gonna look great next to the Morrison Omnibus on the shelf
hated it
Just an interesting update. Danny the Street premiered on Episode 8 of the Doom Patrol show. Pretty cool.
Loved the Crazy Jane character!
What a wonderful treat to wake up too, thank you! I reread the Morrison run recently as Vertigo was releasing the lovely new three book collection (which I highly recommend for new readers). It remains one of my favourite series to revisit.
I will say I am among the few that genuinely appreciated Rachael Pollack's run. Specifically, the Coagula arc as it explores some interesting ideas that were established by Morrison. Reading it as it came out was rather powerful tbh, and it has remained so upon rereading it. I only wish Vertigo would release it as Book 4, like they previously announced, so we could all give it a proper go in it's entirety, as its never been printed in trade and if one has only read a handful of issues its bound to lack any sense 😂
I do admit I wish I could get through more of Ms. Pollack's run. Again, the style of writing just doesn't appeal to me. That's on me, though.
A character named Grant Morrison dying is the most ironic thing ever.
why is Danny the Street so legit
Because ! And seriously why not ? The idea of a sentient gay street is a problem for you ? 😂
He had smarts.
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Named after Danny LaRue, a british female impersonator, La Rue being french for road or street
Glad to hear that someone else has the same opinion about the post-Morrison DP; at the time (i.e. when I was quite young!) I thought that I'd suddenly lost the ability to understand what was going on, and just went along with it, nodding my head sagely. But yeah... it was case of a writer being given the thankless task of attempting the impossible. You can't follow Morrison's Doom Patrol. It's fantastic.
Now to the real issue... when will the Love Glove get his own series??????
Today's been a bit difficult. This was a nice surprise.
Well, I hope the day and the week and the year get much better for you.
You forgot to mention that during the early eighties, Robotman was in search of the Doom Patrol’s killers. This was documented in The New Teen Titans #13-15. The Titans helped Robotman capture the killers
He mentions that in the previous Doom Patrol video.
Loved the Grant Morrison run.. the best comic writing ever in my opinion was on that run ..but with Rachel Pollack's i know a lot of people dismissed it but i really enjoyed her run especially with the McKeever art..she did take it in an entirely new direction..combining elements as broad as tarot, storytelling, tribal magic, feminism, transexual politics etc.. and again revisiting the theme of being the outsider. She had a seriously hard act to follow and took her a while to get in her stride but i think she was by the end doing a really good job and i was saddened when they ended it.
Would you say that her entire run is worth reading or would you recommend starting at a certain issue?
@@Murdock_the_Pooch their were only 25 issues of her run so id get them all...but the highlight for me was her work with McKeever.
It was horrible from beginning to end my dude
I disagree about Ted McKeever's art. Compared to his work in The Extremist book, for example, his 13-issues run are just scratches that make DP stories unreadable, we can't distinguish any character from another and it brutally affects Rachel Pollack's narrative (in my opinion, of course).
But I still prefer Pollack's run than any subsequent writer, from John Arcudi on.
Except, maybe, Gerard Way.
Doom Patrol is Jazz
Organized Chaos
The title of this video should be "The Postmodern Age Doom Patrol" - Grant Morrison's writing was clearly influenced by literature published during the peak of postmodernism. Much of the fictional literature of this era, such as David Foster Wallace's Infinite Jest, relied on metaphysical elements such as deconstruction. Some critical elements of postmodern fiction include, fragmentation, unreliable narrators, metafiction (awareness/acknowledgement of the genre and an audience by the characters or narrator), incomprehensible plots, etc., but more importantly, the characters exist in an ontological reality - there are no clear themes or plot devices that are meant to be critically analyzed. Clearly, Morrison's version of Doom Patrol portrays characters who are self-reflexive and unsure of the very nature of reality - being is all that matters and any attempts to understand or reconcile with this nature will ultimately only unravel their concepts of reality. When Morrison says, "Doom Patrol didn't represent anything" what he really means is it only represents the ontological - that we exist in a constant state of unreliability and fragmented realities. There is no epistemological certainty, as neither science nor critics can shape or control the universe or the story - we simply exist, and no amount of symbolism or metaphors can help us cope with the chaotic nature of reality. Mr. Nobody attempts to control the story in the panels of the comic, but in actuality, it is in the spaces between - the white spaces - that the story unfolds.
I can remember being so excited about the Doom Patrol in the early 90s. I tried to turn my humanities professor on to the book, but he didn't care for Morrison's writing.
@@thingfish000 Well, I teach in the Humanities - literature and rhetoric, and this is an excellent work with really interesting areas to explore with students. Maybe Morrison's postmodernist style of non-linear writing might have seemed strange to your Prof in the early 90's?
Can't tell you how much i enjoy these well made videographies. After Morrison's DP, I abandoned his work for a long time, why i don't know. Hell, i only read All Star Superman less than 3 months ago🤕
Oh man you never read Invisibles? DP was like the preamble but Invisibles is the main course imo. It's a lot more tricky (and could be seen as overwrought) but it translated perfectly for me and was a blast
@@naturesquad9174 Thanks, this series is on my list to read (realizing that i'm years behind)
I don't really know why i stopped reading Morrison years ago, it was very out of character for me. I'm gonna make up for it though, following his GL very close.
Great vid. I binged all your stuff in the last 2 days. The Miracleman and 1963 stuff is great! Can't wait to see more!
Excellent edition. Glad to gain some knowledge of the team over the years. I will start with the 68’ series and see where that leads. It seems the original magic could not be recaptured.
I think you'll like the original series. The Morrison era might not appeal to you, but it does have the spirit of the original.
🎶It's all in your head.
It's all in your head.🎶
Shawty's Like A Melody in my head
Just came across this video, this channel by accident but so glad I did.
If ... if all your other vids are akin to this one, I think I'm gonna likey!!! Love the way you go all over the Doom Patrol, but don't spoil the stories for me. As a comic reader for ... oh ... about 48 years now, I am ashamed to say I never read Morrison's Doom Patrol, but I plan on (finally) doing so now as you have me pumped for it.
Yes, you did that. Not the show (even though I think that was really well done and enjoyed it).
Thanks again, Peace!!
Well, thank you! I hope you find that there is a fine selection of videos on this channel that meet the same standard as this one. And I hope you enjoy Doom Patrol! It's never too late to enjoy something you initially passed over.
This video made me pick up the Grant Morrison series
it sucks that Rachel Pollack's doom patrol runs collected editions were canceled i dont usually buy single issue comics since trades are easier to collect but i guess I'm going to have to start somewhere
An Omnibus collecting the full run is scheduled to be released in June.
They’re being printed in June, if all goes well.
Was watching your Brat Pack video when the notification went up, good timing
What about young animal doom patrol by Gerard way
I don't think it had come out yet when he made the video.
@@StepperBox its from 2016-7, not only the late 2019 "weight of the worlds"
i like it. its completely newbie friendly , with a new character that guides the reader throw the old characters and the weirdness (yes back to weirdness!) present.
@@rafalvarenga okay. now i have a reason to read that
Doom patrol is fantastic marvelous fabulous fantasy slick crazy creativity funky fun 🇬🇧
Doom Patrol was rumored to be the original X-Men. But in recent years, it now feels like a take on spoof movies and satire like akin to Deadpool. Doom Patrol doesn't feel like an X-Men clone anymore. Instead of dealing with bigotry like it did with the X-Men, it is now a parody and satirical comic. Doom Patrol has now more in common with Deadpool, The Boys, and South Park. As an action superhero comedy comic since the takeover from Grant Morrison.
Great doc .
Please make another video covering the newer doom patrol runs
Excellent vídeo!
Don't forget the eternal Doom Patrol question, "Why green ?...."
my greenest adventure
Wow never noticed the similarities between the new robotman and rog 13 before you mentioned it mind totally blown lol
The Swinging Seventies Doom Patrol 😮
I love the Doom Patrol, especially Grant Morrison's 1989 - 1993 44 issue run which is the greatest era of all time, but I have an unpopular opinion in that I think that what had happened during the first 18 issues of the 2nd Volume of the Doom Patrol, Paul Kupperberg's 1987 - 1989 run that ended with the Invasion! story changing everything, while not as cool as Grant Morrison's writing, still was good enough for me as a fan of DC Comics comic books, graphic novels and super-hero characters.
I think that it was not given enough of a chance by DC Comics back in the late 1980s because the sales were tanking. Yes, comic book readers were not feeling it and Grant Morrison did save it from being cancelled, but there could've still been something good that could've actually come out of Paul Kupperberg's writing of the Doom Patrol's story from the late '80s.
If it were up to me, I would've just continued a traditional super-hero story in a DC Comics comic book, and maybe even a graphic novel, too. It would've taken the style of the comic in a new direction, with a new super-hero team whose members are allies of the Doom Patrol. Every issue of the comic book would mix the genres of action-adventure, crime drama, dark, adult fantasy, horror, and science-fiction. There would be biopunk, cyberpunk, dystopian, post-apocalyptic, and splatterpunk sci-fi elements. I would even put the content of adult themes, nudity, sexual situations, strong language, suggestive dialogue, and violence.
The story would be about the three former members of the Doom Patrol (Lodestone (Rhea Jones, no longer the Pupa), Karma (Wayne Hawkins), and Blaze (Scott Fischer)), the three of them having either been transformed into another much more powerful form, or who had died, were now turned back into their more essentially human forms, or resurrected. It wouldn't be like the Doom Patrol by Grant Morrison because that comic book was basically pretty much exactly like a non-traditional comic book super-hero story. This other Doom Patrol spin-off comic would simply continue to replicate the style of the first 18 issues of the Doom Patrol's second volume, except without the changes brought about by the "Invasion!" story after issue # 18's events. The graphic novel would be the new spin-off team's first appearance and origin, which would be followed by monthly issues that continue the story directly afterwards. The graphic novel would come out and then a month later the first issue would come out, etc. It could still be a Vertigo-styled comic book, but the super-hero team would still be treated like outcasts who are freaks despite being a team of traditional super-heroes. I would still use the setting of the Doom Patrol's former headquarters in Kansas City, Missouri. That would be the main place in the United States of America where the plots of the stories all happen. However, instead of going crazy just like how Grant Morrison had done, this new, different team of super-heroes is more like a normal, ordinary super-hero team instead of being just like the Doom Patrol. They are former members of the Doom Patrol, but they are not doing what the Doom Patrol does.
They go off on great adventures and fight crime, but they are not dealing with anything freaky. This would give fans the option of choosing what style of comic book that they liked to read every month. If people want to deal with freaky stuff, then they can read the Doom Patrol. But if they just want to read about a trio of costumed, super-powered super-heroes who are professional adventurers, and professional crime fighters based in Kansas City, Missouri, who are fighting against various costumed, super-powered super-villains who are professional criminals, while at the same time, just like the villains, the heroes are wanted by the police, so they don't have any allies in the local, legal authorities, then this particular comic is for you. It is suggested for mature readers only, and reader's discretion is strongly advised. The double-sized graphic novel, and the standard-sized, on-going, monthly, full color comic book series, would not be for the easily offended or the extremely squeamish. I would have Arthur Adams as the illustrator.
The main characters would be Lodestone, Karma and Blaze.
Their main allies would be Harry Stein, and Dorothy Spinner.
Their main arch-enemies would be Kalki, Goldstar, Hellbender, Thunder, Holocaust, Sonar, Blockhouse, Sheriff Virgil, Shrapnel, Pythia, Dr. Goodman, Councilman Arvid E. Reynolds, Reactron, and Mr. Benjamin.
That's my take of what I think could've been done with Paul Kupperberg's story ideas. I know that most people will say that I have an unpopular opinion. But I just don't see why a comic book like this wouldn't still work.
Morrison is my favorite writer and this might be their best work
I have so many of these issues
Morrison's Dom Patrol is amazing, and don't sleep on Gerard Way's either its really good
Nobody knows... literally.
I slowly started the 87 series; still on the Kupperberg issues.
12:41 THAT's..... a very good point? Did Morrison just didn't like Valentina? or never thought about it?
12:59 never mind. although what a shame. if the tv show ever tries to use "Rebis" , i hope they do use Valentina Vostok.
You could almost do a video that compares the origin of Legion and Crazy Jane based off the books "The Minds of Billy Milligan" and "When Rabbit Howls" .
I feel like like picking these comics because of this video .
Im surprised you didnt use the Beatle's "nowhere man" song,
Heh. I'm trying to avoid the Copyright Gods coming down from above and striking my videos! :) Otherwise, yeah...Nowhere Man and I Am The Walrus probably would have liberally been used throughout.
You really struggle with Morrison, don´t you? But Moore is your favorite author. Heh.
I love both but Morrison is much more consistent and he never burned out.
I would agree. Moore has hit very high heights but Morrison is more consistant.
so were can i find all the discussions on "Lost"
Not sure about Crazy Jane, it is stated she has 64 personalities and they all have their own power, it is also stated that some of the personalities exist purely to bear pain and one, at least, is shown confined to a room, i doubt any of these were ever let out to use their powers.
Pollacks run was, to put it bluntly, crap
Maybe you looked too into Pollack's run as you told us not to with Morrison's run :/
because his run sucked! pollack ruined the team/book I won't even go into how bad the art work was by Ted McKeever my cat draws better than him
@@Dr.Thirteen her*
@@nocty7356 Pollock is a man born one will die one and a crappy writer who used his own sexual fetishes' for his stories.
@@Dr.Thirteen what the fuck is wrong with you?? also trans women are women fuck off
I honestly liked the Kupperberg Doom Patrol and was rather annoyed at how some characters were treated. As far as I remember, the original team of this run quite literally saw Arani's memories of getting married to the Chief yet continued to doubt her and even though she was right that he was alive, no one at all considered she was telling the truth about being married despite again, them seeing her memories of it which were proven to be true when General Immortus used her memories to create Chief's immortality serum. Like, she definitely could be unlikable but the other characters were idiots for not believing her and in the end, since no one trusts her anymore and her husband disowns her, she pretty much kills herself in the Invasion storyline and that honestly annoyed me, she deserved better. I also don't get why Joshua and Valentina didn't get together once she lost her powers, they loved each other and the powers were preventing that and yet as soon as she is depowered she just vanishes and as far as I recall, Joshua doesn't even mention her. Rhea herself doesn't seem to give a shit about anything once she awakens from her coma, I would think she'd be concerned about Joshua who she had a crush on or Scott who revealed that he was dying of cancer but NOPE, couldn't care less and then fucks off out of the story. I don't really like the reveal that the Chief was secretly evil either because it didn't go anywhere. He reveals what he did, then the Candle Maker rips his head off and he doesn't show up again until the next writer shows up so all it achieved is making him near irredeemable. I did like a lot of the crazy things Grant added in like the Scissor Men, Crazy Jane and the original Brotherhood of Dada, especially the Quiz but some other stuff seemed too samey or incomprehensible. I could be wrong but it seemed like most of the time they fought some weird ass organization that showed up and then never returned and the only group I thought was cool was the Scissor Men who cut people out of reality, otherwise I enjoyed when they actually had a real rogues gallery to fight. All in all, it was an interesting addition to Doom Patrol, one that obviously did well since people prefer it to anything else but I don't mind what came before or after. I have been collecting as much as I can from Doom Patrol and there are likes and dislikes from each run, regardless of how infamous or forgettable those runs were for others and I personally like Doom Patrol more when I can understand what is going on though it still does need to be weird and out there, just coherent and not characters just saying gibberish.
I want to start read Doom Patrol. Is the Grant Morrison's run a good place to start ?
I'd say yes. All of the main players of the Doom Patrol are explained in the first four issues (their origins, what they can do, who they are as people, etc.) and all the story elements are mostly self contained within the run, the only exception being the alien invasion prior to Morrison's penning.
You can start with the OG run if you want, but you won't be lost if you start with this run.
Pollack's mistake (or maybe she was instructed), was to attempt to replicate Morrison's style rather than bringing a new approach to the comic. It was like reading embarrassing fan fiction. The Morrison issues are some of my favorite comics ever, and that cover art by Bisley! Truly gorgeous.
I loved Lightles Doom Patrol and Celsius...immortal....married...betrayed....fire and ice...and from India...cool cool...created by Niles, as were Kalki, etc etc
Good suggestion go with the weird(flow)....
No mention of giffen’s run
The pollock issues might not be great I've only read 75 and 76. But the covers and art inside I still like
Just a heads up...it's Stay-Ton, not Stan-Ton.
I wish the netflix version was as weird as the comics
I want to read Doom Patrol... but the weirdness makes me a little unsure...
What do you think of the way they solve threats? Some think it's stupid
I think its unique and fun
Never know what to expect
@@ashtonndlovu9470 I know, but sometimes the solution is very quick and makes the matter a little bit anti climactic
I love Grant Morrison run and his characters and ideas, but I wish he had more time with them
You do the initial introduction of characters, you get to the black character, and skip his backstory. The robot got more explanation. WTH?
I think i'm the only one who likes kupperberg's run...
Sorry
DC has very strange heroes, like a B movie. The problem for me are the bad artists. Sometimes they are just so terrible i can read the damn comics.
Doom Patrol is the greatest hero series ever.
Yeah, this video was made before Grant Morrison's status changed to they/them. Or, at the very least, it was made long before I became aware that they were non-binary
As for Danny, yes...nowadays he would be referred to as genderqueer. If I used the term "transvestite" (which I believe I did, if memory serves) that was due to it being used in the comic.
@@StrangeBrainParts OOO right yes,Grant Morrison making this public was a very recent thing. True,forgot that. Sorry.
Also,considering when the comics were made,the word transvestite might've (unfortunately) been used so understandable that you used that as well. I might've said some disclaimer about that word but that's probably me being paranoid and surrounded by people who are so super into terminology and things. :D
So yeah,thanks for commenting and calling me out. Well done. :)
Grant Morrison uses he/him pronouns. They literally say that in their announcement coming out
I know this is hardly the popular opinion, but I really have no time for Morrison's run on DP. Much like his contributions to Animal Man, I can't help but feel he was solely being weird for its own sake and make people look for something that either wasn't there, or so buried it was hardly worth finding. That's just me though.
**☼ **15:20** pansexual omnigender: not at all transvestite.* it is a distinction well established.*
Which run was it established he was pansexual?
@@dooplon5083 a transvestite is a man identifying cis-typical in female coded clothing - you arent going to win that counter easily when talking about a street.
& being a street: if not pan or omni, where do you place Danny? you gonna misgender a street! every run, by the above universally recognized criteria.
just google transvestite. and street.
@@JCResDoc94 bro, all I asked was a simple question out of genuine curiosity, I have 0 clue why you're getting this worked up over the gendering of a street of all things. And for clarification, I've only read up to the Morrison run, in which they refer to Danny by male pronouns on occasion, so I'm not misgendering Danny I'm simply using one of the set of pronouns used in the run I last read.
Also, I don't place him as pan or omni because he's a street and as far as I've read he's not a sexual being with any kind of sexual attraction, hence me *politely* asking which run it was since as far as I had read this was all I knew. Glad to see you like civil conversation and assuming the best of people though.
@@dooplon5083 ☼ i dont read comic bks
considering this is a comics channel I don't think I can be blamed for the assumption tbh
So I've read it ... All I can say is; meh. Too much bizarre and the bizarre becomes tedium. Cliff and Josh were fine, Crazy Jane should be called Copout-Jane (at least Legion had the good taste to be an antagonist...), Dorothy is underused, Rebis is an asshole (sure, go and forcefully fuse Larry and Eleanor...prick) and for Hell's sake, WHY IS NILES A VILLAIN ? Because that twist reeks of pettiness. And does not fit with Drake's version. At least it was not the miyasis that was Morrison's X-men (fuck that run in the colon with a heated poker...).
BUT, there is a sizeable silver lining to all of this; I've discovered the Arcudi's run which really sold me on Cliff and the Giffen's run which is now my absolute favorite take on the team. Even Giffen's jerk Niles is at least entertaining and has a reason for what he's doing.
Now I am in the middle of Drake's run and it is damn lovable and endearing...
no Pollack ruined the team/book by putting in all his sexual crap. he just had to have a transsexual on the team didn't he? as the world's biggest Doom patrol fan even though I do own every title the Doom patrol has ever been in, I never reread those. he took a very "far out" title and made it meh.
Her* She*
stop being a transphobic asshat